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rastignak

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Jul 16, 2004, 2:36:11 PM7/16/04
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What do you call the three dots that indicate continuity that is not
articulated/worded?
I mean the ...
Does it have a name like dot leaders?

Alan OBrien

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Jul 16, 2004, 4:18:42 PM7/16/04
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"rastignak" <rast...@indiatimes.com> wrote in message
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When I was young I called it three little dots.

I now call it an ellipsis.

Do you remember Monty Python?

"And now...............
Fifteen little white dots."

Alan
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Robert Lieblich

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Jul 16, 2004, 6:01:57 PM7/16/04
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Alan OBrien wrote:
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> "rastignak"wrote

> > What do you call the three dots that indicate continuity that is not
> > articulated/worded?

> > I mean the ...

> > Does it have a name like dot leaders?
>
> When I was young I called it three little dots.
>
> I now call it an ellipsis.

There are those who call it (them?) "suspension points," as I
learned during a prior thread on AUE. See
<http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=suspension+points>.

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Christopher Green

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Jul 16, 2004, 7:49:15 PM7/16/04
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rast...@indiatimes.com (rastignak) wrote in message news:<c61f3e18.0407...@posting.google.com>...

I use "ellipsis". "Dot leaders" are used in typesetting things like
tables of contents, to provide a visual guide across a river of
whitespace.

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Odysseus

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Jul 18, 2004, 2:18:58 AM7/18/04
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Christopher Green wrote:
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> I use "ellipsis". "Dot leaders" are used in typesetting things like
> tables of contents, to provide a visual guide across a river of
> whitespace.
>
Yes; a "leader" (of any kind) fills up a line with as many
repetitions as necessary, while an "ellipsis" comprises exactly three
dots (not necessarily spaced the way three periods would appear if so typed).

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Christopher Green

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Jul 18, 2004, 6:21:57 PM7/18/04
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Odysseus <odysseu...@yahoo-dot.ca> wrote in message news:<40FA1697...@yahoo-dot.ca>...

Four if the elision includes the end of a sentence.

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Odysseus

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Jul 19, 2004, 4:48:11 AM7/19/04
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Christopher Green wrote:
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> Four if the elision includes the end of a sentence.
>
That would be an ellipsis followed by a period; the difference in
spacing between the third dot and the first two will usually be
noticeable, depending on the font design and letterspacing.

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Cece

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Jul 19, 2004, 12:55:41 PM7/19/04
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Odysseus <odysseu...@yahoo-dot.ca> wrote in message news:<40FB8B12...@yahoo-dot.ca>...

Four dots should be typeset as a period followed by the ellipsis. . .
.

The ellipsis itself has space before, after, and between . . . like
this.

Of course, that was so when typesetting was done by actual
typesetters, not misinformed computers.

Cece

meirman

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Jul 19, 2004, 2:41:05 PM7/19/04
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In alt.english.usage on 19 Jul 2004 09:55:41 -0700
ceceliaa...@yahoo.com (Cece) posted:

>Odysseus <odysseu...@yahoo-dot.ca> wrote in message news:<40FB8B12...@yahoo-dot.ca>...
>> Christopher Green wrote:
>> >
>> > Four if the elision includes the end of a sentence.
>> >
>> That would be an ellipsis followed by a period; the difference in
>> spacing between the third dot and the first two will usually be
>> noticeable, depending on the font design and letterspacing.
>
>Four dots should be typeset as a period followed by the ellipsis. . .

What if the rest of the sentence is elided, and also the rest of the
paragraph? :)

>.
>
>The ellipsis itself has space before, after, and between . . . like
>this.
>
>Of course, that was so when typesetting was done by actual
>typesetters, not misinformed computers.
>
>Cece


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Odysseus

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Jul 20, 2004, 4:11:58 AM7/20/04
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Cece wrote:
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> Odysseus <odysseu...@yahoo-dot.ca> wrote in message news:<40FB8B12...@yahoo-dot.ca>...
> > Christopher Green wrote:
> > >
> > > Four if the elision includes the end of a sentence.
> > >
> > That would be an ellipsis followed by a period; the difference in
> > spacing between the third dot and the first two will usually be
> > noticeable, depending on the font design and letterspacing.
>
> Four dots should be typeset as a period followed by the ellipsis. . .
> .
>
I would only do that when indicating the omission of part of a
*paragraph* following a complete sentence. Where the final words of a
*sentence* are omitted, the white space following the last word
present provides a cue to the reader that there's a 'loose end'.
Encountering the period first, his sentence-parsing machinery might
trip up, momentarily trying to analyze a phrase or fragment as a
complete thought.

> The ellipsis itself has space before, after, and between . . . like
> this.
>

Not as large as a word-space, though, in most fonts.

> Of course, that was so when typesetting was done by actual
> typesetters, not misinformed computers.
>

Some in the trade would say that a "typesetter" is also a machine --
one even less capable of being informed than is a computer -- as
opposed to a human "compositor" -- who, informed or otherwise, does
the bidding of editors, designers, publishers, salesmen, writers, et
al. So I figure it boils down to "a distinction without a difference".

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Odysseus

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