What is the antonym of harem?
feing...@email.com
by a woman, the opposite of a harem.
Thanks in advance.
Harvey V
Stud farm?
Hoovph
>I am looking for the word for a group of men kept for sexual purposes
>by a woman, the opposite of a harem.
>
That would be called a "faggle gaggle".
Hoovph
George Hardy
> I am looking for the word for a group of men kept for sexual purposes
> by a woman, the opposite of a harem.
Why should there be a word? Just because you can imagine something
or some situation, that does not mean there is a word for it. To
"earn" a word, it must be common enought to need a means of rapid
identification.
I shall overlook your concept that this male harem is for some reason
"the opposite of a harem". The opposite of a harem is a wife.
GFH
Scott
geo...@mail.rlc.net (George Hardy) wrote:
> The opposite of a harem is a wife.
Or, perhaps, celibacy?
Then again, just because you have a harem doesn't mean that you are not
also celibate....
Polar
wrote:
"Harem" comes from a Hebrew (and also Arabic, I thnk) word meaning
simply "apart". So why ot apply it equally to a group of men kept
apart for sexual purposes.
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Polar
Wouldn't work, because the purpose may not be -- probably is not --
reproduction, but rather pleasure.
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Alan Jones
"Polar" <sme...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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>..... "Harem" comes from a Hebrew (and also Arabic, I thnk) word meaning
> simply "apart". So why ot apply it equally to a group of men kept
> apart for sexual purposes.
NSOED gives the origin as Turkish "harem", itself from Arabic "haram" [that
which is] prohibited, [hence] sacred or inviolable place, sanctuary, women's
apartments, wives, women, later also from Arabic. "harem" with same meaning,
both from "haruma" to be prohibited or unlawful.
It looks as though the female sense has developed from something more
general, and that the word could reasonably be more widely applied. So I
agree with Polar, though it would be sensible to write "male harem". I
believe I've seen this somewhere - in science fiction, perhaps.
Alan Jones
Roberta Davies
In animal behaviour studies, a group of females kept exclusively by one
male is a "harem", and a group of males kept by one female (much rarer,
but it happens in some species) is simply a "male harem" or "harem of
males".
Actually, two or three males can keep a joint harem of females. Think
of lions, for example. I don't think there are any species where two or
three females jointly keep a male harem.
Robbie
Polar
Homo Sapiens Sapiens?
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Polar
Polar
wrote:
It does go back to the Hebrew, but I'm off to an all-day conference,
so will look it up on return.
>
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Eric Walker
>"Polar" <sme...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:2ao9utccpaelbnden...@4ax.com...
>
>>..... "Harem" comes from a Hebrew (and also Arabic, I thnk)
>>word meaning simply "apart". So why ot apply it equally to a
>>group of men kept apart for sexual purposes.
>
>NSOED gives the origin as Turkish "harem", itself from Arabic
>"haram" [that which is] prohibited, [hence] sacred or
>inviolable place, sanctuary, women's apartments, wives, women,
>later also from Arabic. "harem" with same meaning, both from
>"haruma" to be prohibited or unlawful.
>
>It looks as though the female sense has developed from
>something more general, and that the word could reasonably be
>more widely applied. . . .
The OED has: "(that which is) prohibited or unlawful, that which
a man defends or fights for, as his family, a sacred place,
sanctuary, enclosure; the women's part of the house; wives,
women." It continues to 1, "The part of a Mohammedan dwelling
house appropriated to the women, constructed so as to secure the
utmost seclusion and privacy . . . ."
So it seems that while the female sense has developed from
something more general, that development is old and integral.
The place, the status, of women in the Islamic cultures, most
especially in the Arabic, is now well enough known; that they,
in those cultures, are seen as absolutely, positively needing
the maximum possible isolation possible seems integral to the
sense and derivation of the word: the qualities "woman" and "set
aside, isolated" seem not readily separable without violence to
the intrinsic sense of the word.
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Paul Evensen
"freedom"
It even kind of rhymes...
Seriously, are there any examples in history where a woman keeps a group
of men around to satisfy her sexual desires? There might be, but I
would think very, very few, if any.
Good luck in your research.
Paul
Iannis Kyris
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>
> NSOED gives the origin as Turkish "harem", itself from Arabic "haram"
[that
> which is] prohibited, [hence] sacred or inviolable place, sanctuary
And, of course, the contentious Haram al-Sharif (Har ha'Bayit, Temple Mount)
is not a harem, but a 'noble sanctuary'.
Best regards
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Polar
wrote:
Cleopatra was said to have kept a Nubian-type slave for her personal
use. Or maybe that was just a romantic novel?
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Polar
George Hardy
> "Harem" comes from a Hebrew (and also Arabic, I thnk) word meaning
> simply "apart".
Close attention to the origin of a word is quite often not useful.
Does "dilapidated" refer only to stone buildings?
GFH
Iannis Kyris
>
> It does go back to the Hebrew, but I'm off to an all-day conference,
> so will look it up on return.
I did a search on the web and found out that the Hebrew word 'cherem', which
sounds more or less like 'harem' and means 'set apart for the exclusive use
of God', appears several times in the Torah.
Does this necessarily mean that the Arabic word 'harem' stems from Hebrew?
The two words could be cognates, couldn't they?
Polar
wrote:
>Polar <sme...@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:<2ao9utccpaelbnden...@4ax.com>...
"Useful" is in the eye of the beholder.
This NG (or so I thought) is about exploration of language in all its
aspects.
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Polar
<ikyris...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>"Polar" <sme...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> It does go back to the Hebrew, but I'm off to an all-day conference,
>> so will look it up on return.
>
>
>I did a search on the web and found out that the Hebrew word 'cherem', which
>sounds more or less like 'harem' and means 'set apart for the exclusive use
>of God', appears several times in the Torah.
How did you find it? Really interested, since I tried in vain. Just
using dictionaries. Probably should have tried Torah.
>
>Does this necessarily mean that the Arabic word 'harem' stems from Hebrew?
>The two words could be cognates, couldn't they?
I strongly suspect, given the almost-identical deep meaning, that the
Arabic does stem from Hebrew, since it's a later language.
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Polar
Iannis Kyris
>
> How did you find it? Really interested, since I tried in vain. Just
> using dictionaries. Probably should have tried Torah.
I used Google, as usual. The search terms < harem "hebrew word" bible >
produced 366 hits. The sixth hit contained a lot about the word 'cherem':
http://www.studylight.org/enc/isb/view.cgi?number=T123
Then I searched again, using the terms < cherem hebrew >, got 553 hits, and
clicked on the third link:
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/bb000402.htm
> I strongly suspect, given the almost-identical deep meaning, that the
> Arabic does stem from Hebrew, since it's a later language.
Are you suggesting there are no cognate words between Arabic and Hebrew
(stemming from a Proto-Semitic parent language)?
Dan Seriff
>> I strongly suspect, given the almost-identical deep meaning, that the
>> Arabic does stem from Hebrew, since it's a later language.
>
> Are you suggesting there are no cognate words between Arabic and Hebrew
> (stemming from a Proto-Semitic parent language)?
Hebrew and Arabic are usually assumed to be roughly contemporary languages,
according to the linguistic evidence I've come across. Arabic didn't have a
written tradition until the early centuries of the Common Era, so the common
assumption is that it did not exist before then. Granted, it changed quite a
bit between ancient and medieval times (much more than Hebrew, which had
died out as a spoken language sometime between 500-200 BCE, IIRC, and thus
became somewhat fossilized through liturgical use), but it's been pretty
steady for the last 1500 years or so (for the same reason - liturgical
fossilization). Modern spoken Arabic (many dialects) isn't so different from
Classical Arabic that it's unintelligible.
On the contrary, few people who read this list would understand even a
little bit of the English that was spoken then.
Daniel Seriff
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Polar
<ikyris...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>"Polar" <sme...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> How did you find it? Really interested, since I tried in vain. Just
>> using dictionaries. Probably should have tried Torah.
>
>I used Google, as usual. The search terms < harem "hebrew word" bible >
>produced 366 hits. The sixth hit contained a lot about the word 'cherem':
>http://www.studylight.org/enc/isb/view.cgi?number=T123
>Then I searched again, using the terms < cherem hebrew >, got 553 hits, and
>clicked on the third link:
>http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/bb000402.htm
>
>> I strongly suspect, given the almost-identical deep meaning, that the
>> Arabic does stem from Hebrew, since it's a later language.
>
>Are you suggesting there are no cognate words between Arabic and Hebrew
>(stemming from a Proto-Semitic parent language)?
Far, far, far from it! Hasn't it been said that 50% of Hebrew words
are cognate with Arabic? Anyway, some large percentage.
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Polar
Eric Walker
[...]
>Hasn't it been said that 50% of Hebrew words are cognate with
>Arabic?
My father used to get a choking fit every time some commentator
would refer to Arabs as anti-Semitic.
Iannis Kyris
>
> I strongly suspect, given the almost-identical deep meaning, that the
> Arabic does stem from Hebrew, since it's a later language.
>
> Far, far, far from it! Hasn't it been said that 50% of Hebrew words
> are cognate with Arabic? Anyway, some large percentage.
There seems to be a bit of a discrepancy here, n'est-ce pas?
Polar
<ikyris...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>"Polar" <sme...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>> I strongly suspect, given the almost-identical deep meaning, that the
>> Arabic does stem from Hebrew, since it's a later language.
>
>>
>> Far, far, far from it! Hasn't it been said that 50% of Hebrew words
>> are cognate with Arabic? Anyway, some large percentage.
>
>
>There seems to be a bit of a discrepancy here, n'est-ce pas?
Well, not really...maybe I didn't focus enough on your term "cognate".
Shalom, Salaam, Pax & all that jazz..
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Polar
Polar
<ewa...@owlcroft.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 05 Nov 2001 19:48:24 -0800, Polar wrote:
>
>[...]
>
>>Hasn't it been said that 50% of Hebrew words are cognate with
>>Arabic?
>
>My father used to get a choking fit every time some commentator
>would refer to Arabs as anti-Semitic.
Yeah, right. Poor fella, he must have had to wet his gullet pretty
often, given that Arabs *are* Semites.
What percentage of their DNA is shared with Jews? I read the stat
somewhere; it was large.
Anyway, back to the issue: That is why I say "Jew-haters". Makes it
perfectly clear.
Also, I'm advocating explicit usage, as opposed to the oh-so-polite
"anti-Semite" which, ISTR, originated in 19th Century Germany, when
"nice people" were looking for a more, er, "polite" term for their
prejudice.
--
Polar
Eric Walker
[...]
>On Mon, 05 Nov 2001 21:32:43 -0800 (PST), "Eric Walker"
><ewa...@owlcroft.com> wrote:
>
>[...]
>
>>My father used to get a choking fit every time some
>>commentator would refer to Arabs as anti-Semitic.
>
>Yeah, right. Poor fella, he must have had to wet his gullet
>pretty often, given that Arabs *are* Semites.
(Attempting voice imitation of Robert De Niro as taxi driver):
Well that's the point, isn't it?
George Hardy
> On 5 Nov 2001 06:31:02 -0800, geo...@mail.rlc.net (George Hardy)
> wrote:
>
> >Polar <sme...@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:<2ao9utccpaelbnden...@4ax.com>...
> >
> >> "Harem" comes from a Hebrew (and also Arabic, I thnk) word meaning
> >> simply "apart".
> >
> >Close attention to the origin of a word is quite often not useful.
> >Does "dilapidated" refer only to stone buildings?
>
> "Useful" is in the eye of the beholder.
GFH
Polar
wrote:
>Polar <sme...@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:<0nedut47lfla65bif...@4ax.com>...
>> On 5 Nov 2001 06:31:02 -0800, geo...@mail.rlc.net (George Hardy)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Polar <sme...@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:<2ao9utccpaelbnden...@4ax.com>...
>> >
>> >> "Harem" comes from a Hebrew (and also Arabic, I thnk) word meaning
>> >> simply "apart".
>> >
>> >Close attention to the origin of a word is quite often not useful.
>> >Does "dilapidated" refer only to stone buildings?
>>
>> "Useful" is in the eye of the beholder.
>
>I "beheld" the uselessness of your information.
Honi soit...
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Polar
Roberta Davies
Well, I was thinking of non-human species... How common is it in
humans, anyway? Maybe you live in a more interesting area than I do.
Thinking about it, I would suspect a breeding group of several females
and several males would be described as "promiscuous within the group"
or something like that. There is a species of bird that forms such
breeding groups (and makes communal nests), but which bird it is and
what they call the groups I can't recall.
Robbie
Polar
<roberta...@virgin.net> wrote:
>Polar wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 04 Nov 2001 11:50:47 +0000, Roberta Davies
>> <roberta...@virgin.net> wrote:
>>
>> >feing...@email.com wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I am looking for the word for a group of men kept for sexual purposes
>> >> by a woman, the opposite of a harem.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks in advance.
>> >
>> >In animal behaviour studies, a group of females kept exclusively by one
>> >male is a "harem", and a group of males kept by one female (much rarer,
>> >but it happens in some species) is simply a "male harem" or "harem of
>> >males".
>> >
>> >Actually, two or three males can keep a joint harem of females. Think
>> >of lions, for example. I don't think there are any species where two or
>> >three females jointly keep a male harem.
>>
>> Homo Sapiens Sapiens?
>
>Well, I was thinking of non-human species... How common is it in
>humans, anyway? Maybe you live in a more interesting area than I do.
Mmm..could be. Southern California, where Anything Goes <g>
>
>Thinking about it, I would suspect a breeding group of several females
>and several males would be described as "promiscuous within the group"
>or something like that. There is a species of bird that forms such
>breeding groups (and makes communal nests), but which bird it is and
>what they call the groups I can't recall.
You have obviously led a sheltered life <gggg>
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Whiskers
Some cultures do have words for 'parts of the home accessible to women'
and 'parts of the home accessible to men'; eg, according to Wikipedia,
In Turkish of the Ottoman era, the harem, i.e., the part of the house
reserved for women was called haremlık, while the space open for men
was known as selamlık. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harem>
but those are parallel terms, not antonyms. And of course, not English.
In the sense of 'female members of the household' or 'female relatives',
they are a sub-set of 'all members of the household' or 'all relatives',
so there's no antonym there either.
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<catwh...@operamail.com> wrote:
> On 2017-10-13, amberc...@gmail.com <amberc...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> > Wife isn't the opposite of a harem. A Harlem is the separate
portion
> > of a Muslim howehold for wives, concubines and female servants.
It is
> > the collective of ALL your associated female dependants, in
essence.
> > The original question is valid as is stands. If you're going to
give a
> > smart ass correction, be right.
> You might as well ask for the antonym of kitchen.
has an antonym. There's probably such a creature somewhere, but it's
not really a noun thing, so I think it's a pointless question rather
than a valid one.
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<slrnou1ths.1...@ID-107770.user.individual.net>
>On 2017-10-13, amberc...@gmail.com <amberc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Wife isn't the opposite of a harem. A Harlem is the separate portion
>> of a Muslim howehold for wives, concubines and female servants. It is
>> the collective of ALL your associated female dependants, in essence.
>> The original question is valid as is stands. If you're going to give a
>> smart ass correction, be right.
>
>You might as well ask for the antonym of kitchen.
>
>Some cultures do have words for 'parts of the home accessible to women'
>and 'parts of the home accessible to men'; eg, according to Wikipedia,
>
> In Turkish of the Ottoman era, the harem, i.e., the part of the house
> was known as selaml?k. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harem>
>but those are parallel terms, not antonyms. And of course, not English.
>
>In the sense of 'female members of the household' or 'female relatives',
>they are a sub-set of 'all members of the household' or 'all relatives',
>so there's no antonym there either.
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> On 2017-10-13, amberc...@gmail.com <amberc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Wife isn't the opposite of a harem. A Harlem is the separate portion
> > of a Muslim howehold for wives, concubines and female servants. It is
> > the collective of ALL your associated female dependants, in essence.
> > The original question is valid as is stands. If you're going to give a
> > smart ass correction, be right.
>
> You might as well ask for the antonym of kitchen.
Harem vs Polyandry [Polyandrist Harem]
Japan scholars find penis on female bug, win Ig Nobel Prize
Asahi Shimbun-2017/09/15
During copulation, the male insect transfers nutrition, along with sperm, to the female penis. Yoshizawa and his team believe the physical makeup of the insects was created to allow the female to take control of the mating ...
.............
Mr. Man-wai Chang
> Wife isn't the opposite of a harem. A Harlem is the separate portion of a Muslim howehold for wives, concubines and female servants. It is the collective of ALL your associated female dependants, in essence. The original question is valid as is stands. If you're going to give a smart ass correction, be right.
translated into "cold harem".
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> On 13/10/2017 8:49 PM, amberc...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Wife isn't the opposite of a harem. A Harlem is the separate portion of a Muslim howehold for wives, concubines and female servants. It is the collective of ALL your associated female dependants, in essence. The original question is valid as is stands. If you're going to give a smart ass correction, be right.
>
> IN Chinese, we got something called "冷宮", which could be roughly
> translated into "cold harem".
>
> --
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Catherine the Great was known for her strong sexual appetite, and by that she did have many lovers throughout her life, but just exactly how many lovers did she have? So far, I know four of them: .........
One of few women in history surrounded by her own harem...
Except for her and Eva Duarte, ..........
_______
Never Street
https://books.google.com/books?isbn=1453220585
Loren D. Estleman - 2011 - Preview - More editions
Catherine the Great would have applauded his lunatic vision and offered him a place in her harem. Onstage, the movie screen hides behind curtains bearing a screen-printed Japanese landscape, with swags of wine-colored drapery above ...
_______
Poetry of the Romantic period - Volume 4 - Page 174
https://books.google.com/books?id=zR1wAAAAIAAJ
James Robert de Jager Jackson - 1980 - Snippet view
He is bought by a sultana, smuggled into her harem in female attire, and makes his escape the following morning. ... of Ismail, rescues a little girl from the slaughter, and is sent to St Petersburg to carry the news of victory to Catherine the Great.
Mr. Man-wai Chang
> On Saturday, October 14, 2017 at 1:15:01 AM UTC-7, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
>> On 13/10/2017 8:49 PM, amberc...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Wife isn't the opposite of a harem. A Harlem is the separate portion of a Muslim howehold for wives, concubines and female servants. It is the collective of ALL your associated female dependants, in essence. The original question is valid as is stands. If you're going to give a smart ass correction, be right.
>>
>> IN Chinese, we got something called "冷宮", which could be roughly
>> translated into "cold harem".
>
know much about that part of Chinese history.
And, according to the drama and movies I watched in Hong Kong, "冷宮" was
for girls that were no longer loved by the King.
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> I am looking for the word for a group of men kept for sexual purposes
>
> Thanks in advance.
most commonly it's called a stable.
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Peter Percival
> The smart add part is in meaning that a wife is not for sexual purposes as in they don't put out
>
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ChRM/Harem - Apart - Set-Apart for worship
Opposite
TMA/Tame - Unclean - Unfit for worship
or
YChD/Yachad - Together - as in opposite of apart
In regards to a male harem... we need to get creative I guess.
ChRMH/Haremah - would be feminine form of ChRM/Harem
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