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CRNG
Oct 1, 2012, 3:20:52 AM10/1/12
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I'm reading a book the mentions British shipping in the 1800s and
often refers to a ship entering a ports "roads", e.g. "...the ship
entered the Port Royale roads...".
I know nothing about nautical terms, so I'm guessing from the context
that "roads" means something like sea-lanes or the areas of a sea port
where ships are anchored. Is that approximately correct? Are there
any other conations associated with the term?
often refers to a ship entering a ports "roads", e.g. "...the ship
entered the Port Royale roads...".
I know nothing about nautical terms, so I'm guessing from the context
that "roads" means something like sea-lanes or the areas of a sea port
where ships are anchored. Is that approximately correct? Are there
any other conations associated with the term?
CRNG
Oct 1, 2012, 4:05:35 AM10/1/12
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On Mon, 01 Oct 2012 02:20:52 -0500, CRNG <Sp...@uce.gov> wrote in
<4agi68hgdl6d2g3av...@4ax.com> Re Shipping "roads":
Well, this is embarrassing. The above "conations" should be
connotations. Let *that* be a lesson to me.
<4agi68hgdl6d2g3av...@4ax.com> Re Shipping "roads":
connotations. Let *that* be a lesson to me.
Peter Young
Oct 1, 2012, 4:10:58 AM10/1/12
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in dict.tu-chemnitz.de
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1. From WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006) [wn]:
roads
n 1: a partly sheltered anchorage [syn: {roads}, {roadstead}]
Peter.
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Peter Duncanson (BrE)
Oct 1, 2012, 5:33:31 AM10/1/12
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On Mon, 01 Oct 2012 09:10:58 +0100, Peter Young <pny...@ormail.co.uk>
wrote:
>On 1 Oct 2012 CRNG <Sp...@uce.gov> wrote:
>
>> I'm reading a book the mentions British shipping in the 1800s and
>> often refers to a ship entering a ports "roads", e.g. "...the ship
>> entered the Port Royale roads...".
>
>> I know nothing about nautical terms, so I'm guessing from the context
>> that "roads" means something like sea-lanes or the areas of a sea port
>> where ships are anchored. Is that approximately correct? Are there
>> any other conations associated with the term?
>
>2 definitions found
> in dict.tu-chemnitz.de
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>1. From WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006) [wn]:
>
> roads
> n 1: a partly sheltered anchorage [syn: {roads}, {roadstead}]
>
The idea is of a ship "riding at anchor".
The words "road", "ride" and "rode" are all related.
Snippets from the OED:
road, n.
II. A place where ships ride.
3.
a. Now usu. in pl. A sheltered piece of water near the shore where
vessels may lie at anchor in safety; a roadstead.
(The earliest quotations using that sense are dated in the 1300s.)
"Road" as we generally use it is two centuries more recent than that.
III. A way, line, or path, and related senses.
4.
a. A path or way between different places, or leading to some place.
Originally: a way wide enough to allow horses, travellers on
foot, or horse-drawn vehicles or the like, to pass; (later) a
wide way which motor vehicles, cyclists, etc., can use, typically
having a specially prepared surface.
1580 J. Bell tr. J. Foxe Pope Confuted f. 65, Out of this
free..libertie of doctrine, what wil you bring to passe els, but
make an open roade to sinne.
1598 Shakespeare Henry IV, Pt. 1 ii. i. 16 The most villanous
house in al London road.
ride, v.
I. To be or go on horseback or in a vehicle, and related senses.
1. intr.
a. To sit on and direct the movement of a horse or other animal, or
(in later use) a bicycle, motorcycle, etc.; to move about, make
one's way, or travel on horseback, by bicycle, etc.
(The earliest quotations for that are in Old English, that is
pre-1150)
II. To float or move on water, and related senses.
13. intr.
a. Of a ship, etc.: to float or move on the water; to sail, esp. in
a buoyant manner.
(Earliest quotations 1200 and 1300.)
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(in alt.english.usage)
wrote:
>On 1 Oct 2012 CRNG <Sp...@uce.gov> wrote:
>
>> I'm reading a book the mentions British shipping in the 1800s and
>> often refers to a ship entering a ports "roads", e.g. "...the ship
>> entered the Port Royale roads...".
>
>> I know nothing about nautical terms, so I'm guessing from the context
>> that "roads" means something like sea-lanes or the areas of a sea port
>> where ships are anchored. Is that approximately correct? Are there
>> any other conations associated with the term?
>
>2 definitions found
> in dict.tu-chemnitz.de
>˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜
>1. From WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006) [wn]:
>
> roads
> n 1: a partly sheltered anchorage [syn: {roads}, {roadstead}]
>
The words "road", "ride" and "rode" are all related.
Snippets from the OED:
road, n.
II. A place where ships ride.
3.
a. Now usu. in pl. A sheltered piece of water near the shore where
vessels may lie at anchor in safety; a roadstead.
(The earliest quotations using that sense are dated in the 1300s.)
"Road" as we generally use it is two centuries more recent than that.
III. A way, line, or path, and related senses.
4.
a. A path or way between different places, or leading to some place.
Originally: a way wide enough to allow horses, travellers on
foot, or horse-drawn vehicles or the like, to pass; (later) a
wide way which motor vehicles, cyclists, etc., can use, typically
having a specially prepared surface.
1580 J. Bell tr. J. Foxe Pope Confuted f. 65, Out of this
free..libertie of doctrine, what wil you bring to passe els, but
make an open roade to sinne.
1598 Shakespeare Henry IV, Pt. 1 ii. i. 16 The most villanous
house in al London road.
ride, v.
I. To be or go on horseback or in a vehicle, and related senses.
1. intr.
a. To sit on and direct the movement of a horse or other animal, or
(in later use) a bicycle, motorcycle, etc.; to move about, make
one's way, or travel on horseback, by bicycle, etc.
(The earliest quotations for that are in Old English, that is
pre-1150)
II. To float or move on water, and related senses.
13. intr.
a. Of a ship, etc.: to float or move on the water; to sail, esp. in
a buoyant manner.
(Earliest quotations 1200 and 1300.)
--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.english.usage)
Jack Campin
Oct 1, 2012, 7:02:13 AM10/1/12
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>> I'm reading a book the mentions British shipping in the 1800s and
>> often refers to a ship entering a ports "roads", e.g. "...the ship
>> entered the Port Royale roads...".
>> I know nothing about nautical terms, so I'm guessing from the context
>> that "roads" means something like sea-lanes or the areas of a sea port
>> where ships are anchored. Is that approximately correct? Are there
>> any other conations associated with the term?
>> often refers to a ship entering a ports "roads", e.g. "...the ship
>> entered the Port Royale roads...".
>> I know nothing about nautical terms, so I'm guessing from the context
>> that "roads" means something like sea-lanes or the areas of a sea port
>> where ships are anchored. Is that approximately correct? Are there
>> any other conations associated with the term?
> n 1: a partly sheltered anchorage [syn: {roads}, {roadstead}]
Leith Roads, across the Forth from Edinburgh, combines both the "lane"
and "anchorage" meanings. It still is used as an anchorage, by oil
tankers waiting to go in to the North Sea oil export terminal near
South Queensferry, but its earlier meaning probably had more to do
with "lane" - it was the only safe route into Leith Harbour, since the
south side of the Forth is a maze of shoals and reefs. With sailing
ships there would not often have been much point in waiting outside
the harbour itself.
Leith Roads goes just south of Burntisland. Which is a small port town
(originally "Brunt's land"), not an island. Some 16th and 17th century
mapmakers decided the name meant there had to be an island there. Oops.
The nearest island is Inchkeith, and if you try sailing round the south
side of that, as a few unfortunate captains did, you hit a large and
lethal reef.
Meanwile, in Edinburgh itself, the road between Edinburgh and its port
city of Leith is not called Leith Road. The top end was originally
called Leith Wynd, now Leith Street. It feeds into a long road, the
top end of which was built as a raised carronade by Cromwell, called
Leith Walk. Walking down it was never the intention. Because it was
made as a military structure later turned into a traders' thoroughfare,
it attracted development on each side by landowners who retained their
own names for their properties. So for about a mile, the middle of the
street is Leith Walk and each side of the street (where the buildings
are) has a different name. I used to live in Haddington Place (I guess
the land was owned by the Earl of Haddington, a title which no longer
exists), on one side of Leith Walk, looking across to Elm Row on the
other side (which has not had any elms since about 1800).
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CRNG
Oct 2, 2012, 4:01:08 AM10/2/12
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On Mon, 01 Oct 2012 02:20:52 -0500, CRNG <Sp...@uce.gov> wrote in
<4agi68hgdl6d2g3av...@4ax.com> Re Shipping "roads":
<4agi68hgdl6d2g3av...@4ax.com> Re Shipping "roads":
>I'm reading a book the mentions British shipping in the 1800s and
>often refers to a ship entering a ports "roads", e.g. "...the ship
>entered the Port Royale roads..."
Thanks to all those who commented.
>often refers to a ship entering a ports "roads", e.g. "...the ship
>entered the Port Royale roads..."
Jerry Avins
Oct 2, 2012, 3:36:06 PM10/2/12
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lighters or awaiting their turn at a pier.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hampton_Roads
Jerry
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postmar...@gmail.com
Dec 14, 2019, 9:40:24 PM12/14/19
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On Monday, October 1, 2012 at 3:20:52 AM UTC-4, CRNG wrote:
> I'm reading a book the mentions British shipping in the 1800s and
> often refers to a ship entering a ports "roads", e.g. "...the ship
> entered the Port Royal roads...".
> I'm reading a book the mentions British shipping in the 1800s and
> often refers to a ship entering a ports "roads", e.g. "...the ship
>
> I know nothing about nautical terms, so I'm guessing from the context
> that "roads" means something like sea-lanes or the areas of a sea port
> where ships are anchored. Is that approximately correct? Are there
> any other connotations associated with the term?
> I know nothing about nautical terms, so I'm guessing from the context
> that "roads" means something like sea-lanes or the areas of a sea port
> where ships are anchored. Is that approximately correct? Are there
I was re-reading Two Years Before The Mast by Richard Henry Dana written in 1840. Probably the best book written about life as a seaman from a seaman's point of view.
Ch 1 last paragraph is written: As we drew down into the lower harbor, we found the wind ahead in the bay, and were obliged to come to anchor in the roads.
You can read the book here: https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/2055
Lastly, I was just thinking that Hampton Roads Virginia probably does not mean Roads as in a Road used by an land vehicle.
Peter Duncanson [BrE]
Dec 15, 2019, 6:50:28 AM12/15/19
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On Sat, 14 Dec 2019 18:40:22 -0800 (PST), postmar...@gmail.com
wrote:
"road" derives from "riding".
In the nautical sense -
OED:
II. A place where ships ride.
3.
a. Now usually in plural. A sheltered piece of water near the shore
between places.
wrote:
In the nautical sense -
OED:
II. A place where ships ride.
3.
where vessels may lie at anchor in safety; a roadstead.
That sense is older than today's usual meaning of road as a path or way
between places.
Steve Hayes
Dec 17, 2019, 1:08:18 AM12/17/19
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On Sun, 15 Dec 2019 11:50:26 +0000, "Peter Duncanson [BrE]"
<ma...@peterduncanson.net> wrote:
>"road" derives from "riding".
>
>In the nautical sense -
>OED:
>
> II. A place where ships ride.
> 3.
> a. Now usually in plural. A sheltered piece of water near the shore
> where vessels may lie at anchor in safety; a roadstead.
>
>That sense is older than today's usual meaning of road as a path or way
>between places.
There is also a "roadstead".
<ma...@peterduncanson.net> wrote:
>"road" derives from "riding".
>
>In the nautical sense -
>OED:
>
> II. A place where ships ride.
> 3.
> a. Now usually in plural. A sheltered piece of water near the shore
> where vessels may lie at anchor in safety; a roadstead.
>
>That sense is older than today's usual meaning of road as a path or way
>between places.
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