SUMMERS CHANGING IN BRITAIN
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forecasters attribute to the implosion of climate change.
The heavy rains in Britain over the past two summers were predicted by
computer models that analyzed the effect of global warming where a
warming atmosphere contains more moisture.
For the second successive summer Britain's homes have been flooded in
what would normally be once in one hundred year events.
Climate scientists claim that the specific cause of the recurring
summer downpours was the shifting southwards of the jetstream - the
rapidly moving band of air between the polar and the tropical zones
that directs the course of low-pressure systems across the Atlantic.
Meteorologists also assert to the influence of La Nina that results in
the cooling of the central and eastern parts of the Pacific Ocean.
Former chief of the country's environment bureau John Prescott said
the arrival of seasonal summer floods, which began in 2001, was "a
wake-up call" that climate change had arrived.
Sir Michael Pitt reported to the Government that flood risks were as
high as the "risk of terrorism or a major flu pandemic" and suggested
that a cabinet committee be established solely for issues related to
flooding.
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Smiler
Eeyore
eve.earthchar...@gmail.com wrote:
> Great Britain has gone through another wet summer that several weather
> forecasters attribute to the implosion of climate change.
>
> The heavy rains in Britain over the past two summers were predicted by
> computer models that analyzed the effect of global warming where a
> warming atmosphere contains more moisture.
>
> For the second successive summer Britain's homes have been flooded in
> what would normally be once in one hundred year events.
Pure bollocks.
You should have seen the floods we used to have before river defenses were
put in place.
Graham
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EXT
"Smiler" <This...@ARealMailAddress.com> wrote in message
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> This is news to me
They are as real as winters in Florida or most Southern States.
Eeyore
EXT wrote:
> "Smiler" wrote
>
> > This is news to me
>
> They are as real as winters in Florida or most Southern States.
Sunny and 17C here today near London and it's already autumn / fall.
Graham
David Williams
-> Graham
17C (about 63F) may seem warm to a Brit. But to people who are used to
warmer climes, it's downright cold!
News
"David Williams" <david.w...@bayman.org> wrote in message
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I see people sitting outside cafes in London.
Eeyore
David Williams wrote:
Well... I was just wearing a T-shirt and jeans. I had a jumper/sweater with
me just in case but brisk walking actually had me sweating.
Graham
Eeyore
News wrote:
> "David Williams" <david.w...@bayman.org> wrote
>
> >-> Sunny and 17C here today near London and it's already autumn / fall.
> >
> > 17C (about 63F) may seem warm to a Brit. But to people who are used to
> > warmer climes, it's downright cold!
>
> I see people sitting outside cafes in London.
Great weather for it. Same today in fact.
Graham
EXT
"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriend...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Well, the weather here is forecast for 24C and sunny. This is in Canada,
also autumn, the trees are dropping leaves.
David Williams
-> > warmer climes, it's downright cold!
-> I see people sitting outside cafes in London.
There are probably people lying on beaches and swimming in the sea,
too. Mad, every one of them.
dow
David Williams
-> Graham
I had a drink yesterday while sitting on an outdoor patio. The sun was
shining, and the temperature was in the low 20s. Very pleasant. But I
noticed that the propane-fired heaters had already been put out in
preparation for colder weather. They're probably used in the evenings
already.
dow (in Toronto)
David Williams
-> me just in case but brisk walking actually had me sweating.
-> Graham
Yup. 98 percent humidity will cause that.
dow
AdeV
Brrrr
Dunno what temperature it got to here in "sunny"[0] Liverpool, but 17 it
wasn't.
[0] Liverpool is only "sunny" for very low values of "sunnyness"...
--
Cheers!
Ade.
Eeyore
David Williams wrote:
Having been in in Mumbai / Bombay during the monsoon season I KNOW what that's
like and it wasn't. Very pleasant today in fact and a nice light wind too.
Graham
Eeyore
David Williams wrote:
> -> > I see people sitting outside cafes in London.
>
> -> Great weather for it. Same today in fact.
>
> I had a drink yesterday while sitting on an outdoor patio. The sun was
> shining, and the temperature was in the low 20s. Very pleasant. But I
> noticed that the propane-fired heaters had already been put out in
> preparation for colder weather. They're probably used in the evenings
> already.
They use those here too in many pubs esp since indoor smoking is now
banned (sigh of joy).
Graham
David Williams
-> > shining, and the temperature was in the low 20s. Very pleasant. But I
-> > noticed that the propane-fired heaters had already been put out in
-> > preparation for colder weather. They're probably used in the evenings
-> > already.
-> They use those here too in many pubs esp since indoor smoking is now
-> banned (sigh of joy).
-> Graham
Smoking is banned here (yippee) not only indoors but also in some
outdoor areas. It depends on how many walls are around, and how close
it is the the entrance of a building. And, even where smoking is
permitted, nowadays most people don't smoke. It has simply gone out of
style.
dow
David Williams
-> Dunno what temperature it got to here in "sunny"[0] Liverpool, but 17 it
-> wasn't.
-> [0] Liverpool is only "sunny" for very low values of "sunnyness"...
-> --
-> Cheers!
-> Ade.
Yes. My sister lives just outside Manchester. I talked with her today.
She said it was ghastly cold.
dow
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"AdeV" <sp...@solutionengineers.com> wrote in message
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Last night I saw a whole restaurant outside patio with a covering awning,
full of people dining - mainly Middle Eastern people. The temperature must
have been around 14C
Eeyore
David Williams wrote:
Nice and sunny here just north of London here again today. I was just thinking
of going out actually.
Graham
Eeyore
David Williams wrote:
Indeed. It's 'naff' (a once popular British word for what I suppose now is
'uncool').
Graham
Eeyore
News wrote:
> "AdeV" wrote
> > News wrote:
> >> "David Williams" wrote
> >>
> >> >-> Sunny and 17C here today near London and it's already autumn / fall.
> >> >
> >> > 17C (about 63F) may seem warm to a Brit. But to people who are used to
> >> > warmer climes, it's downright cold!
> >>
> >> I see people sitting outside cafes in London.
> >
> > Brrrr
> >
> > Dunno what temperature it got to here in "sunny"[0] Liverpool, but 17 it
> > wasn't.
> >
> > [0] Liverpool is only "sunny" for very low values of "sunnyness"...
>
> Last night I saw a whole restaurant outside patio with a covering awning,
> full of people dining - mainly Middle Eastern people. The temperature must
> have been around 14C
Where was this ?
Graham
obozn
<eve.dailyp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Great Britain has gone through another wet summer that several weather
forecasters attribute to the implosion of climate change.
The heavy rains in Britain over the past two summers were predicted by
computer models that analyzed the effect of global warming where a
warming atmosphere contains more moisture.
WEATHER FIXED
16 Apr 2008
England is normal:
After the heaviest April snowfall for 20 years, freezing temperatures
and a series of heavy downpours, forecasters are predicting a return to
old-fashioned British weather - spring showers followed by a wet and
warm summer.
Robert Fisk’s opinion is keenly awaited.
Forecaster Dave Britton said present conditions were not consistent with
the warmer temperatures predicted by global warming models.
That’s two years in a row that the models have been wrong. The only
model who’s reliably wronger is Naomi Campbell.
--
Warmest Regards
Bonzo
: “They don’t tell you, that, in their computer models, it’s assumed
that CO2 drives global warming. In other words, you assume the result
and say the computer model proves we were right. It’s garbage in,
garbage out. If you don’t program the computers to cause temperatures to
rise with CO2, then you have nothing.” Dr. Don J. Easterbrook, Professor
Emeritus Geology, Western Washington University
obozn
<eve.dailyp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Great Britain has gone through another wet summer that several weather
forecasters attribute to the implosion of climate change.
The heavy rains in Britain over the past two summers were predicted by
computer models that analyzed the effect of global warming where a
warming atmosphere contains more moisture.
MODELS INCONSISTENT
July 24, 2007
Beset by unexpected summer rain, George Monbiot questions the science:
“It wasn’t meant to happen like this. The climate scientists told us
that our winters would become wetter and our summers drier. So I can’t
claim that these floods were caused by climate change, or are even
consistent with the models. But, like the ghost of Christmas yet to
come, they offer us a glimpse of the possible winter world that we will
inhabit if we don’t sort ourselves out. “
So, although Britain’s present weather seems to have nothing to do with
climate change, it still indicates a future climate change deathscape -
that won’t be warmer, but colder. Robert Fisk, who misses his snow, will
be delighted.
--
Warmest Regards
Bonzo
“Every year they recalibrate their computer model and put in the
observed temperature. So, as they go along, the curve that trails behind
is perfect. It’s like predicting the morning’s weather at six-o’clock in
the evening..” Dr. Don J. Easterbrook, Professor Emeritus Geology,
Western Washington University
obozn
obozn
<eve.dailyp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Great Britain has gone through another wet summer that several weather
forecasters attribute to the implosion of climate change.
The heavy rains in Britain over the past two summers were predicted by
computer models that analyzed the effect of global warming where a
warming atmosphere contains more moisture.
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“It rained and it rained and it rained. Piglet told himself that never
in all his life, and he was goodness knows how old - three, was it, or
four? - never had he seen so much rain. Days and days and days.”
Winnie-the-Pooh, A. A. Milne, Chapter IX, ‘In which Piglet is Entirely
Surrounded by Water’
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Warmest Regards
Bonzo
“One thing lefties cannot abide is any hint of Christian religion. New
Age yes, Muslim yes, vague yoga-nistics sure, Mother Earth and soaring
hawks as spiritual messengers absolutely, but Christianity? Not a
chance.” Anon
obozn
<eve.dailyp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Great Britain has gone through another wet summer that several weather
forecasters attribute to the implosion of climate change.
The heavy rains in Britain over the past two summers were predicted by
computer models that analyzed the effect of global warming where a
warming atmosphere contains more moisture.
Spinning The Weather
Any weather event nowadays always seems to be "unprecedented" according
to our whacko AGW friends!
8 October 2008
“It rained and it rained and it rained. Piglet told himself that never
in all his life, and he was goodness knows how old - three, was it, or
four? - never had he seen so much rain. Days and days and days.”
[Chapter IX, ‘In which Piglet is Entirely Surrounded by Water’, in
Winnie-the-Pooh by A. A. Milne (1926)]
“Things have recently become much worse. Those we charge with looking
after the nation’s infrastructure - central and local government, and
industries such as water, transport and insurance - routinely blame
‘unprecedented’ weather when they fail to do their job.” (Philip Eden,
Vice-President of the Royal Meteorological Society, October 7. Picture:
flooding in Tewkesbury, Gloucestershire, 2007)
Obsessed, as I was, by the New York Stock Exchange (NYSE) [see: ‘Global
Warming, Inc.: Dramatic Falls’, October 7], I missed this superb piece
yesterday by Philip Eden, Vice-President of the Royal Meteorological
Society [‘Whether it’s fair to blame the weather’, The Daily Telegraph,
October 7], in which he is scathing about the way politicians,
officials, and the media spin severe - “unprecedented” - weather events:
“What we are lacking these days in the reporting of severe weather
events are proper historical and statistical contexts. Destructive
summer floods such as those of 2007 [see picture] have happened before:
in 1986, in Wales and north-west England; in 1968, across the West
Country and the Midlands in July and in London and the South East in
September; in 1930 and 1931 in Yorkshire; and in 1912 in East Anglia.
Extreme weather is part and parcel of our climate and it is wrong to
treat it as new every time it happens. Last weekend’s downpours over
central and southern England, which triggered 75 flood warnings, are a
case in point.
Calling such events ‘unprecedented’ provides an excuse for failure for
those we pay to maintain the infrastructure. Sadly, as someone once
said: ‘Thirty years ago, these people had the grace to look thoroughly
uncomfortable when they lied to us; now, they lie with a smile on their
face.’”
Just so. The inflation of spinning in the name of ‘global warming’ and
official excuses has about as much historical validity as poor young
Piglet’s “three, was it, or four?” years in the Forest.
Time to “Pooh! Pooh!” such nonsense, I feel. Well done Philip Eden.
--
Warmest Regards
Bonzo
“The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always
so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts” Bertrand
Russell
Ken S. Tucker
wrote:
...
> Indeed. It's 'naff' (a once popular British word for what I suppose now is
> 'uncool').
> Graham
Hi Graham
Though I don't smoke pipes, cigars, grass etc I enjoy
the odor, it's fine in my house. Wifey has issues with
company tokin' cuz she doesn't like the odor so I open
a window and put on the exchanger fan.
The stats of health risk due to 2nd hand smoke is a pile
of crap the unwashed fanatical masses are sold by the
media fear peddlers, and a tax grab, also the is NO
statistically significant risk from tobacco smoking.
Air pollution in cities is definitely a health hazard and
NO sane person would raise children there, if options
exist.
Over weight people are far more expensive on health
insurers to the extend that I'd approve a premium on
insuring fat people. Why should people who keep in
shape pay 50% more for fat slobs?
Ken
News
"Ken S. Tucker" <dyna...@vianet.on.ca> wrote in message
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> On Oct 12, 6:07 am, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> ...
>> Indeed. It's 'naff' (a once popular British word for what I suppose now
>> is
>> 'uncool').
>> Graham
>
> Hi Graham
> Though I don't smoke pipes, cigars, grass etc I enjoy
> the odor, it's fine in my house. Wifey has issues with
> company tokin' cuz she doesn't like the odor so I open
> a window and put on the exchanger fan.
> The stats of health risk due to 2nd hand smoke is a pile
> of crap
secondary smoking is unhealthy.
> Air pollution in cities is definitely a health hazard and
> NO sane person would raise children there, if options
> exist.
Cities are getting cleaner and the introduction of hybrid vehicles is
starting to make a effect. London is crawling with the Toyota Prius hybrid
cars in the centre. There are hybrid buses too. More and more hybrid
models are coming and hybrid taxis are on the way. In the UK most heating
in cities is burning super clean natural gas. As most UK cities do not have
industry anymore there is little industrial output in most. The likes of
London has huge sections of the centre given over to parks which act as the
lungs of the city. I'm sure this is the case for many western cities these
days. All we have to do is ban the burning of diesel, but electric drives
may just push them out anyhow.
I would have no problems bringing up a child in London.
> Over weight people are far more expensive on health
> insurers to the extend that I'd approve a premium on
> insuring fat people. Why should people who keep in
> shape pay 50% more for fat slobs?
> Ken
You have a point. However the production of fattening processed foods needs
regulating - saturated fats, etc. Better general education and information
of healthy eating too. The eating culture needs curbing too.
Ken S. Tucker
> "Ken S. Tucker" <dynam...@vianet.on.ca> wrote in messagenews:8ad58858-fa0f-425f...@w1g2000prk.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Oct 12, 6:07 am, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > ...
> >> Indeed. It's 'naff' (a once popular British word for what I suppose now
> >> is
> >> 'uncool').
> >> Graham
>
> > Hi Graham
> > Though I don't smoke pipes, cigars, grass etc I enjoy
> > the odor, it's fine in my house. Wifey has issues with
> > company tokin' cuz she doesn't like the odor so I open
> > a window and put on the exchanger fan.
> > The stats of health risk due to 2nd hand smoke is a pile
> > of crap
>
> secondary smoking is unhealthy.
Naa, we did experiments and within reasonable limits
it's harmless.
I was at a nude dance awhile ago and they lit some
"mosquito coils" and I got a bad headache and nausea
from that, though no one else did, so I had to leave and
the fresh air cured it, some people do have allergies or
weird reactions that I respect.
> > Air pollution in cities is definitely a health hazard and
> > NO sane person would raise children there, if options
> > exist.
>
> Cities are getting cleaner and the introduction of hybrid vehicles is
> starting to make a effect. London is crawling with the Toyota Prius hybrid
> cars in the centre. There are hybrid buses too. More and more hybrid
> models are coming and hybrid taxis are on the way. In the UK most heating
> in cities is burning super clean natural gas. As most UK cities do not have
> industry anymore there is little industrial output in most. The likes of
> London has huge sections of the centre given over to parks which act as the
> lungs of the city. I'm sure this is the case for many western cities these
> days. All we have to do is ban the burning of diesel, but electric drives
> may just push them out anyhow.
> I would have no problems bringing up a child in London.
That's good to hear. Toronto is thick with smog, so we
had to move away.
BTW, we're very impressed by that new NG pipeline from
near Norway to England. It might be renewable if the NG
is seaping up from the Earth.
> > Over weight people are far more expensive on health
> > insurers to the extend that I'd approve a premium on
> > insuring fat people. Why should people who keep in
> > shape pay 50% more for fat slobs?
> > Ken
>
> You have a point. However the production of fattening processed foods needs
> regulating - saturated fats, etc. Better general education and information
> of healthy eating too. The eating culture needs curbing too.
I have a Libertarian viewpoint, and a business respect,
so I think insurers have the right to insure as the want.
Ken
David Williams
-> had to move away.
The smog left when you left.
Ken S. Tucker
LOL, toranto still stinks like shit...
http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20060530/smog_laurie_060530?hub=TorontoHome
Actually it's most of southern ontario now.
Ken
News
"In 2003, McGuinty's Liberals promised to shut down all coal-burning power
plants by 2007 to reduce air pollution. Last year, the government extended
the deadline to 2009."
Have they closed any yet? Coal firing can be much cleaner with the latest
burning plant.
Ken S. Tucker
> "Ken S. Tucker" <dynam...@vianet.on.ca> wrote in messagenews:282ccd70-fcae-415c...@40g2000prx.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Oct 13, 8:03 pm, david.willi...@bayman.org (David Williams) wrote:
> >> -> That's good to hear. Toronto is thick with smog, so we
> >> -> had to move away.
>
> >> The smog left when you left.
>
> > LOL, toranto still stinks like shit...
> > Actually it's most of southern ontario now.
> > Ken
>
> "In 2003, McGuinty's Liberals promised to shut down all coal-burning power
> plants by 2007 to reduce air pollution. Last year, the government extended
> the deadline to 2009."
>
> Have they closed any yet? Coal firing can be much cleaner with the latest
> burning plant.
Sorry donno. Ontario had a good nuclear program in
the 70's but nutsy politics interfered.
Ken
Eeyore
"Ken S. Tucker" wrote:
> david.willi...@bayman.org (David Williams) wrote:
> > -> That's good to hear. Toronto is thick with smog, so we
> > -> had to move away.
> >
> > The smog left when you left.
>
> LOL, toranto still stinks like shit...
Try Mumbai / Bombay !
Actually, the last time I was there we had to use a different hotel which had an open roof
restaurant on the 6th floor. Italian food too interestingly which I love.
Amazingly enough it's ABOVE the smog zone level. We ate there often. ;~)
Graham
Ken S. Tucker
wrote:
Ancedotal is not quite science, but my Old Girl moved
into an apartment ~ 12th floor out in Scarboro and was
freaked out by the pollution. She is the type who must
have white drapes, and the sliding door open, and the
curtains turned yellow-brown in a week!
For me, working in toranto meant red-eyes, sore sinuses,
dull mind and showering twice a day. I guess if you must
live there you'll learn to ignore the symptoms, especially
when your IQ is down 20 points, to city average 80.
Mensa Toronto wanted to drop the IQ requirements for
their organization cuz few could qualify anymore, but of
course Mensa International refused the dilution.
Ken