Do you believe over unity is impossible?
Epiphany
I would like to point out what a science fiction story suggested. It
had a scenario where there was dimension where tin isotope 239 was
stable. So one could move plutonium 239 from our dimension to this
other dimension and it would decay into tin 239, releasing energy. Then
they would move the tin 239 back to our dimension and it would decay
back into plutonium 239, again releasing energy. This cycle of
dimensional transfer could then be repeated ad infinitum, always
producing energy.
I mention this to remind everyone that the possibility of
interdimensional travel to places where the laws of physics are
different thus includes the possibility of limitless energy. I do
believe ours is not the only dimension. What would limit infinite
possibilities? There could well be places where energy is *not* a
conserved quantity, thus tapping that dimension would provide limitless
energy. And even if we began by tapping universes like our own, if we
could tap an infinite number of finite universes we could again have
limitless energy.
But true, I don't know of many physicists working on interdimensional
transport. It is likely very difficult. We know perpetual motion is a
dream that ranks up there with the alchemist's goal of turning lead into
gold. For a long time people believed there was such an alchemical
secret. Then the prevalence of charlatans and swindlers claiming such
abilities lead everyone to proclaim lead into gold *impossible*. But
today we know it is *not* impossible to turn lead into gold, just
*uneconomic*. I expect the story of over unity to follow a similar path
over the coming millennia. Eventually things like the dimensional
barrier will be reliably penetrated. But like nuclear power has its
dangers, over unity will be dangerous too. Tiny miscalculations or
imbalances could lead to huge explosions. And with the
interdimensional, who knows what else might be released?
To sum up, why shouldn't over unity be yet another human dream that
comes to pass with sufficient experimentation, computation, and insight,
like powered flight, nuclear power, and space travel have before now?
\ | /
-Epiphany- Perhaps this universe's Big Bang was an over unity accident
that obliterated somewhere else!
/ | \
spike
<"There could well be places where energy is *not* a conserved quantity,
thus tapping that dimension would provide limitless energy">
yepp, some people working on that right now. but those who do call it
aether. (zero point energy is a subsection of this field of study. the
"casimir-effect", scientifically and experimentally proven by the
skeptic and critical scientific community is just one manifestation of
this phenomena.
<"This cycle of dimensional transfer could then be repeated ad
infinitum, always producing energy.">
did you ever tried to do that with something easier to handle than solid
matter, like, electrons? Nikola Tesla knew how to do it. the us patent
office agreed with him, he filed dozens of patents including and using
this form of energy.
<"But like nuclear power has its dangers, over unity will be dangerous
too. Tiny miscalculations or imbalances could lead to huge explosions.
And with the interdimensional, who knows what else might be released?">
i have to politely disagree on some details..
from experiments in the past it showed, that ordinary electricity from
the plug is far more dangerous than tapped energy from the ether. the
problem with our ordinary current is that it is cuppled with heat
properties. thus it can be leathal even in small amounts. the tapped
energy (at least in handling it) is far safer, as long as you keep the
frequency above a certain interval. if you mess with the lower
frequencies, lets say, in the bandwidth of our neurological system,
there might be real dangers to that.
nuclear energy is far more devastating. it is so destructive, that our
only means to absorb the energy is by COLLECTING IT WITH A STEAM
ENGINE!!! all the residual energy flows with the aether and alters the
substance in which this world flows. just remember: you DIE if you are
exposed to this kind of radiation.
<"Eventually things like the dimensional barrier will be reliably
penetrated.">
If you ever get a hold of a night vision device or a x-ray machine (see
"Electromagnetic Spectrum" for all possible frequency ranges), you will
see science has already done this. we can see with x-rays trough human
flesh, that means our flesh is invisible when the spectrum of the
spectator differs. "science" calls this the "density of matter".
i hope you will find my comments productive. if you have the time, i
would be glad to talk more about this very interesting view.
BEWARE, the scepticts try to prevent a constructive discussion before it
begins. no matter what others think or say, i would love to continue on
this.
spike
Epiphany schrieb:
Epiphany
> nice story, may i discuss this matter with you?
Yes, I don't mind discussion.
> <"This cycle of dimensional transfer could then be repeated ad
> infinitum, always producing energy.">
>
> did you ever tried to do that with something easier to handle than solid
> matter, like, electrons?
No, I don't know how to send electrons to other dimensions.
> Nikola Tesla knew how to do it. the us patent
> office agreed with him, he filed dozens of patents including and using
> this form of energy.
What do you mean by "this form of energy"? If you accelerated
electrons, you would have energy in electrical form, a quite known form
of energy.
> <"But like nuclear power has its dangers, over unity will be dangerous
> too. Tiny miscalculations or imbalances could lead to huge explosions.
> And with the interdimensional, who knows what else might be released?">
>
> i have to politely disagree on some details..
>
> from experiments in the past it showed, that ordinary electricity from
> the plug is far more dangerous than tapped energy from the ether.
I don't understand this assertion. Isn't all energy interconvertible?
Are you saying that ether-derived energy exists in this dimension? If
it does, what mass or force field carries it? If no known mass or force
field carries it, isn't that like saying you have identified a new form
of matter or force? A new form of matter or force should be readily
identifiable as such.
> problem with our ordinary current is that it is cuppled with heat
> properties. thus it can be leathal even in small amounts.
I believe the lethal action of electricity is by interference with
cardiac rhythms; burning doesn't become important *first*. And all
forms of energy can heat and burn the body because energy is
interconvertible.
> nuclear energy...
> just remember: you DIE if you are
> exposed to this kind of radiation.
It's true that ionizing radiation isn't good for the body but any form
of energy can kill if delivered in sufficient quantity; it's just that
the quantity that is lethal varies according to the type of energy and
manner of application.
> <"Eventually things like the dimensional barrier will be reliably
> penetrated.">
>
> If you ever get a hold of a night vision device or a x-ray machine (see
> "Electromagnetic Spectrum" for all possible frequency ranges), you will
> see science has already done this. we can see with x-rays trough human
> flesh, that means our flesh is invisible when the spectrum of the
> spectator differs. "science" calls this the "density of matter".
I don't think science regards x-rays or night vision as penetrating to
somewhere else like another universe.
> i hope you will find my comments productive. if you have the time, i
> would be glad to talk more about this very interesting view.
Well, my view was more about what humanity could know in the future
rather than what is now known.
> BEWARE, the scepticts try to prevent a constructive discussion before it
> begins. no matter what others think or say, i would love to continue on
> this.
Well, I do consider myself a constructive skeptic.
\ | /
-Epiphany-
/ | \
Mr A Clarke
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> Hello there,
> I would like to point out what a science fiction story suggested. It
> had a scenario where there was dimension where tin isotope 239 was stable.
> So one could move plutonium 239 from our dimension to this other dimension
> and it would decay into tin 239, releasing energy. Then they would move
> the tin 239 back to our dimension and it would decay back into plutonium
> 239, again releasing energy. This cycle of dimensional transfer could
> then be repeated ad infinitum, always producing energy.
I am not a great Science Fiction fan, but your example story is
uncannilly similar to my own findings as to how Perpetual Motion
could work!
> I mention this to remind everyone that the possibility of
> interdimensional travel to places where the laws of physics are different
> thus includes the possibility of limitless energy. I do believe ours is
> not the only dimension. What would limit infinite possibilities? There
> could well be places where energy is *not* a conserved quantity, thus
> tapping that dimension would provide limitless energy. And even if we
> began by tapping universes like our own, if we could tap an infinite
> number of finite universes we could again have limitless energy.
Perpetual Motion isn`t about "tapping" because there is nothing to tap
from! The work produced doesn`t come from anywhere, not even another
dimension.
> But true, I don't know of many physicists working on interdimensional
> transport. It is likely very difficult.
Some serious research is being performed on Time Travel (using Light)
if you are able to watch YouTube Videos? So far they have only been able
to place a photon in two places at once and give them material memories so
they exist at different times as required.
> We know perpetual motion is a dream that ranks up there with the
> alchemist's goal of turning lead into gold.
Not a dream, its basic principles are very down to earth.
Alchemy will be another one of its spin-offs!
> For a long time people believed there was such an alchemical secret.
> Then the prevalence of charlatans and swindlers claiming such abilities
> lead everyone to proclaim lead into gold *impossible*. But today we know
> it is *not* impossible to turn lead into gold, just *uneconomic*. I
> expect the story of over unity to follow a similar path over the coming
> millennia. Eventually things like the dimensional barrier will be
> reliably penetrated. But like nuclear power has its dangers, over unity
> will be dangerous too. Tiny miscalculations or imbalances could lead to
> huge explosions. And with the interdimensional, who knows what else might
> be released?
Greatest fear is that of the unknown - in general.
> To sum up, why shouldn't over unity be yet another human dream that
> comes to pass with sufficient experimentation, computation, and insight,
> like powered flight, nuclear power, and space travel have before now?
>
In other words "and why not".
> \ | /
> -Epiphany- Perhaps this universe's Big Bang was an over unity accident
> that obliterated somewhere else!
> / | \
I am honestly - Ashley Clarke - The Father of Modern Man!!!
Thankyou.
Desertphile
<epip...@mailaka.net> wrote:
> spike wrote:
> > nice story, may i discuss this matter with you?
> Yes, I don't mind discussion.
You are trying to have a discussion with someone who believes in
magic.
> > <"This cycle of dimensional transfer could then be repeated ad
> > infinitum, always producing energy.">
> >
> > did you ever tried to do that with something easier to handle than solid
> > matter, like, electrons?
Good bloody grief. Electrons *ARE* solid matter (and waves)
depending on how they are "observed." WikiPedia has an excellent
article on the subject.
> No, I don't know how to send electrons to other dimensions.
It is not possible except in a very massive black hole, and that
is hotly debated. WikiPedia has an excellent article on the
subject as well.
> > Nikola Tesla knew how to do it.
No, Tesla never performed miracles.
> > the us patent office agreed with him,
No, the USA Patent Office never said Tesla performed miracles.
> > he filed dozens of patents including and using
> > this form of energy.
Magic is not a "form of energy."
> What do you mean by "this form of energy"? If you accelerated
> electrons, you would have energy in electrical form, a quite known form
> of energy.
Accelerated electrons is known as imparting kinetic energy. The
process costs more energy than that energy which is imparted. At
no time is magic involved.
> > "But like nuclear power has its dangers, over unity will be dangerous
> > too.
Yes, all the fairy tales show that magic can be dangerous. I like
Disney's "The Sorcerer's Apprentice" as one fine example. Damn
good thing we don't have to care about magic.
> > Tiny miscalculations or imbalances could lead to huge explosions.
Explosions of magic? Like we see in "Buffy the Vampire Slayer?"
>>> And with the interdimensional, who knows what else might be released?">
I do.
> > i have to politely disagree on some details..
> >
> > from experiments in the past it showed, that ordinary electricity from
> > the plug is far more dangerous than tapped energy from the ether.
There is no "ether."
> I don't understand this assertion. Isn't all energy interconvertible?
Energy isn't a thing: it's a quantity.
> Are you saying that ether-derived energy exists in this dimension? If
> it does, what mass or force field carries it? If no known mass or force
> field carries it, isn't that like saying you have identified a new form
> of matter or force? A new form of matter or force should be readily
> identifiable as such.
Magic makes it all work.
> > problem with our ordinary current is that it is cuppled with heat
> > properties. thus it can be leathal even in small amounts.
> I believe the lethal action of electricity is by interference with
> cardiac rhythms; burning doesn't become important *first*. And all
> forms of energy can heat and burn the body because energy is
> interconvertible.
> > nuclear energy...
> > just remember: you DIE if you are
> > exposed to this kind of radiation.
The subject is magic ("free energy"), not nuclear energy.
> It's true that ionizing radiation isn't good for the body but any form
> of energy can kill if delivered in sufficient quantity; it's just that
> the quantity that is lethal varies according to the type of energy and
> manner of application.
> > <"Eventually things like the dimensional barrier will be reliably
> > penetrated.">
There is no such thing; sorry. Grow the fuck up.
> > If you ever get a hold of a night vision device or a x-ray machine (see
> > "Electromagnetic Spectrum" for all possible frequency ranges), you will
> > see science has already done this. we can see with x-rays trough human
> > flesh, that means our flesh is invisible when the spectrum of the
> > spectator differs. "science" calls this the "density of matter".
Appears mental.
> I don't think science regards x-rays or night vision as penetrating to
> somewhere else like another universe.
You are still trying to reason with someone who believes in magic.
> > i hope you will find my comments productive. if you have the time, i
> > would be glad to talk more about this very interesting view.
It's only interesting if one studies abnormal behavior.
> Well, my view was more about what humanity could know in the future
> rather than what is now known.
Humanity already knows a great deal about what is possible: "free
energy" is impossible because 1 is less than 2.
> > BEWARE, the scepticts try to prevent a constructive discussion before it
> > begins. no matter what others think or say, i would love to continue on
> > this.
Yeah, uh, as soon as a "constructive discussion" shows up in this
newsgroup, *THEN* and only then can we see what "the sceptics"
will do or not do.
> Well, I do consider myself a constructive skeptic.
--
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Desertphile's Desert Soliloquy. WARNING: view with plenty of water
"Why aren't resurrections from the dead noteworthy?" -- Jim Rutz
Desertphile
<aclar...@toucansurf.com> wrote:
> I am not a great Science Fiction fan, but your example story is
> uncannilly similar to my own findings as to how Perpetual Motion
> could work!
It can't, idiot. You have already been told why.
harry k
If youi are unfamiliar with "spike" he is a nut case who thinks Tesla,
et al. really did find over-unity. He is only good for laughs.
Harry K
harry k
I am glad to see that you know over-unity is impossible in this
universe. Most of the nut cases who are working on it (and wasting
there time) think it can be done. They then tend ot wind up on this
group providing sane people with belly laughs.
Mr Spike and A Clarke lead the nut case pack.
Harry K
Mr A Clarke
Will you suck my Dick when I prove you wrong?
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Mr A Clarke
Well go and find another News Feed then, SUCKER!
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Desertphile
<aclar...@toucansurf.com> wrote:
> Will you suck my Dick when I prove you wrong?
Keep your homosexual fantasies out of this newsgroup, you sick
shit.
Mr A Clarke
Make me!
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harry k
> Will you suck my Dick when I prove you wrong?
>
>
> news:ph6kf5588drr6co91...@4ax.com...
>
>
>
> > On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:14:45 -0000, "Mr A Clarke"
> > <aclarke2...@toucansurf.com> wrote:
>
> >> I am not a great Science Fiction fan, but your example story is
> >> uncannilly similar to my own findings as to how Perpetual Motion
> >> could work!
>
> > It can't, idiot. You have already been told why.
>
> > --
> >http://desertphile.org
> > Desertphile's Desert Soliloquy. WARNING: view with plenty of water
>
> - Show quoted text -
If you are waiting to prove him wrong to get your jollies, you will
never get them.
Harry K
Mr A Clarke
You know nothing about life.
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Desertphile
<turnk...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 11, 2:58�pm, "Mr A Clarke" <aclarke2...@toucansurf.com> wrote:
>> (Homosexual fantasies deleted)
> If you are waiting to prove him wrong to get your jollies, you will
> never get them.
That's all these "free energy" cult retards have: fantasy lives
where reality is abandoned and make-believe is embraced. It's more
than just a little sad.
Mr A Clarke
Idiot Troll
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harry k
> You know nothing about life.
??? Is that supposed to be a reply to me somehow? Must be one of
those 'kook logic' things that we educated people aren't privy to.
Harry K
> "harry k" <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> Harry K- Hide quoted text -
>
>
Desertphile
<turnk...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 12, 10:28�am, "Mr A Clarke" <aclarke2...@toucansurf.com> wrote:
>>�You know nothing about life.
> ??? Is that supposed to be a reply to me somehow? Must be one of
> those 'kook logic' things that we educated people aren't privy to.
If you would just abandon reason, logic, and knowledge, you too
would understand whateverthefuck he says.
harry k
wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:23:31 -0800 (PST), harry k
>
> > On Nov 12, 10:28 am, "Mr A Clarke" <aclarke2...@toucansurf.com> wrote:
> >> You know nothing about life.
> > ??? Is that supposed to be a reply to me somehow? Must be one of
> > those 'kook logic' things that we educated people aren't privy to.
>
> If you would just abandon reason, logic, and knowledge, you too
> would understand whateverthefuck he says.
>
> Desertphile's Desert Soliloquy. WARNING: view with plenty of water
> "Why aren't resurrections from the dead noteworthy?" -- Jim Rutz
I know, and I'm sorry. Somehow noone ever told me where that switch
is to turn off the logic circuit in my brain. I must have been absent
tht day just a "Sack O" was...oH, that's right. He wasn't absent, he
never went at all.
Harry K
Edmond Wollmann
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US's dumbshits will never unit with any one except with its own imaginary
dysfunctional thinkers, thinking of others of always destroying them. That's
the root cause of wake-up call which will manifest in 2010-2012.
Desertphile
<EHWol...@aol.com> wrote:
> US's dumbshits will never unit with any one except with its own imaginary
> dysfunctional thinkers, thinking of others of always destroying them. That's
> the root cause of wake-up call which will manifest in 2010-2012.
Appears mental.
--
mark krawczuk
TALK " CAUSE THEY DONT KNOW SQUAT, ALL THEY CAN DO IS TALK SMART ARSE
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harry k
> NOTICE HARRY K AND DESERTPHILE JUST DRIBBLE, THEY CAN TALK THE " SCIENCE
> TALK " CAUSE THEY DONT KNOW SQUAT, ALL THEY CAN DO IS TALK SMART ARSE
>
>
> news:b9a1a70b-4c71-49e0...@w37g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 10, 10:09 am, Epiphany <epiph...@mailaka.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
<snip>
>
> If youi are unfamiliar with "spike" he is a nut case who thinks Tesla,
> et al. really did find over-unity. He is only good for laughs.
>
> Harry K- Hide quoted text -
>
Thanks for that. Best belly laugh I have had in days.
To think that some moron would go to the trouble of finding a 2 year
old post to attach a schoolyard insult to...and then put it all in
caps...an then top post is just too hilarious to miss.
Harry K
Desertphile
<turnk...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 1, 12:07 am, "mark krawczuk" <krawc...@adam.com.au> wrote:
> > NOTICE HARRY K AND DESERTPHILE JUST DRIBBLE, THEY CAN TALK THE " SCIENCE
> > TALK " CAUSE THEY DONT KNOW SQUAT, ALL THEY CAN DO IS TALK SMART ARSE
> Thanks for that. Best belly laugh I have had in days.
>
> To think that some moron would go to the trouble of finding a 2 year
> old post to attach a schoolyard insult to...and then put it all in
> caps...an then top post is just too hilarious to miss.
I have the silly clown in my killfile, ignored.
Meanwhile, "over unity" is still impossible and always will be.
> Harry K
harry k
wrote:
> On Sat, 1 Jan 2011 09:28:34 -0800 (PST), harry k
>
> > On Jan 1, 12:07 am, "mark krawczuk" <krawc...@adam.com.au> wrote:
> > > NOTICE HARRY K AND DESERTPHILE JUST DRIBBLE, THEY CAN TALK THE " SCIENCE
> > > TALK " CAUSE THEY DONT KNOW SQUAT, ALL THEY CAN DO IS TALK SMART ARSE
> > Thanks for that. Best belly laugh I have had in days.
>
> > To think that some moron would go to the trouble of finding a 2 year
> > old post to attach a schoolyard insult to...and then put it all in
> > caps...an then top post is just too hilarious to miss.
>
> I have the silly clown in my killfile, ignored.
>
> Meanwhile, "over unity" is still impossible and always will be.
>
> > Harry K
>
> Desertphile's Desert Soliloquy. WARNING: view with plenty of water
> "Why aren't resurrections from the dead noteworthy?" -- Jim Rutz
Yep. KF it is unless there is an actual thread he gets in. Boggles
that he is digging up 2 year old threads.
Harry K
mark krawczuk
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mark krawczuk
the government to put you down and say crap like over unity dont work
etc,.,,,
after all, JUST IMAGINE IF WE DIDNT HAVE TO PAY FOR ELECTRICITY ..... OR
HAD TO PAY VERY LITTLE..
DESERTPHILE IS A SCUM SUCKING NEWBIE ..................... DESERTPHILE IS
A FAG , HE CAN SCREW HIS INDIAN LOVING FANTASIES ON HIS WEBSITE.'
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Mr A Clarke
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no one
perpetual motion, or perpetuum mobile, arose historically in connection with
the quest for a mechanism which, once set in motion, would continue to do
useful work without an external source of energy or which would produce more
energy than it absorbed in a cycle of operation.
plus there are two others, but since u a indian dog lover , i`ll let u find
the other 2 ..
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