Electrogravitics, Free Energy and Action

[Amyellen Leib]

You seem to be ones who would support efforts to get free energy "out
in the open." And so I write You in the hopes that You can help in My
effort to do so. If this is of interest, please pass the word along!


A petition has been started on Change.org for the US Government to
release electrogravitics to the public.

http://www.change.org/petitions/us-military-release-the-technology-of-electrogravitics

Why This Is Important

My early childhood was defined by My father's excitement for His work
in electrogravitics, then (1950's) being worked on openly by all major
aerospace companies. My father, a CalTech graduate and one of the top
electrical engineers at one of these companies, would tell Me about
the successes of His experiements (gravity control and overunity (free
energy)), and tell Me what the world I would grow up in would look
like.

Cars would fly, cities would float, and We would have all the energy
We could use.

Then, one night He came home from work late and woke Me up to tell Me
We couldn't talk about the flying cars, the floating cities, the free
energy anymore. "They want it secret for now."

Since My childhood, I have studied economics, coming to the conclusion
(later confirmed by Jeremy Rifkin in His book, Entropy) that all money
represented was meaningful energy expended. One can grasp this most
easily by considering the first hunter, fisherperson, gatherer,
farmer, miner. The stuff They gained/used was free: critters, fish,
fruits, vegetables, nuts, seed, sun, soil, rain, ores. It was the
meaningful energy expended that gave "value" to the stuff: the
killing, fishing, picking, tilling, weeding, harvesting, mining,
transporting.

Add abundantly what money represents - energy - and the need for money
(and the control of others it affords) in all its forms (barter,
trade, work exchange, coin, bills, electronic funds...) will dissipate
and what is left is free.

Add robots to do all the necessary jobs no One wants to do to free
energy, and Humans will be freed to follow Their bliss - within the
three Laws:

Do not willfully hurt or kill another Being
Do not willfully take or damage another Being's property
Do not willfully defraud another Being

(A Being (cap the "B") is sentient, sapient; animals are beings)

Waste would be virtually eliminated: supermarkets presently throw out
hundreds of thousands of tons of food a month! Distributing by need
and not profit will end this waste. Products would be made to last
instead of being designed to break so as to ensure future sales. Theft-
protecting packaging would be unnecessary. And so on.

Organic farming would be prized and GMO (genetically modified
organisms) would be eliminated.

Motive for war will be virtually eliminated. With no profit motive for
war suppliers and "infrastructure rebuilders," wars will not be
instigated to ensure profits.

Poverty will not exist.

Hunger will be eliminated.

Education (at all levels) will be free for all.

Replace the work "ethic" (a slave's ethic: enrich the rich with Your
Human energy) with a Betterment Ethic and the Humans who better things
will be paid in appreciation, status, name-recognition and Self-
satisfaction, the new "coin."

Create a central website where problems can be brought up locally and
People can “vote” to bump a problem up, down, show apathy by not
voting, and chime in with solutions (which can be cheered and booed).
Issues will drop off after the original poster indicates that the
problem has been resolved or withdrawn, or there has been no activity
after, say, six months (that is not set in stone). Social
responsibility will be defined as spending 15 minutes a day examining
issues on this site.

Also, issues with some set number of bumps up will be considered
issues that need a wider awareness and go to regional sections. From
there, continental, perhaps, and then global, as more are needed to be
involved in solving the problem. Problems will beget the awareness to
solve them.

Without money as a motive, problems will be solved more creatively,
directly, harmoniously, and within the three Laws.

Leaders of the moment will emerge from this to solve problems as they
arise.

Open-source all public works programming. This allows for many to make
suggestions for betterment, and ensures that no one will create
outside the three Laws. It also eliminates “back doors,” and other
surreptitious software segments that bog down the clean functioning of
the program. Without money as a motive, programmers will be proud to
offer Their work for scrutinization and use, openly and freely. Status
will be gained for creating the best programs.

Though this will not create a utopia, it will be vastly better than
what We now have, in this scarcity-defined system, on this planet.

[AGWFacts]

On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 17:34:07 -0800 (PST), Amyellen Leib
<Amyell...@thegamerstudio.com> wrote:

> You seem to be ones who would support efforts to get free energy "out
> in the open." And so I write You in the hopes that You can help in My

There is no such thing as "free energy." It's impossible.


--
"I'd like the globe to warm another degree or two or three... and CO2 levels
to increase perhaps another 100ppm - 300ppm." -- cato...@sympatico.ca

[Mr A Clarke]

"AGWFacts" <AGWF...@ipcc.org> wrote in message
news:1rfdi7hflkk6272ac...@4ax.com...

I`ll let you into a little secret then;
I have been working on Perpetual Motion for years under the close watch of
spies
to much success. I guess some of our "friends" have just found their way
onto this
Newsgroup!
I can fully understand your frustration when people come on here proclaiming
that all this stuff exists when all you have been taught and proven to are
contemporary
fundamental laws of physics, ie Thermodynamics and have never forced my
knowledge
onto you (have I).
Lets see where their requests for appraisal get them shall we, after all, we
have only
waited 10000000 years for this moment!

Ashley Clarke

[harry k]

On Jan 29, 5:34 pm, Amyellen Leib <Amyellen.L...@thegamerstudio.com>
wrote:

> You seem to be ones who would support efforts to get free energy "out
> in the open."  And so I write You in the hopes that You can help in My
> effort to do so.  If this is of interest, please pass the word along!
>
> A petition has been started on Change.org for the US Government to
> release electrogravitics to the public.
>

<snip great heaping piles of nonsense>

Amazing that someone can write all that and think they are making
sense.

Harry K

[Jim]

Of course your sig line tells me what you KNOW.
I also would rather have a warmer Earth than a colder one, however take
a look at http://iceagenow.info/

Also, since you seem to be harping about AGW (anthropogenic global
warming) and not "climate change" being a fact, then could you tell me
just who the heck is driving their SUV's around on Mars? Or the other
planets? I mean, if it's obvious that humans are the ONLY thing causing
global warming then the fact that the other planets are also warming up
MUST mean that humans are doing it!

As for "free energy" what do you think people 200 years ago would say
about an atomic power plant? They would have considered it "free" energy.

We are idiots that know a minute fraction about reality and are
egotistic enough to think we know it all. There are more things to
discover and many of them will look like magic,"free" or impossible to
the scientists of today.

Do not throw out all ideals that don't agree with what you think you
know. Many of them just may teach you something different.

But, then this is just a wasted post. Nothing will change your mind, you
have spent too much time and effort building up your viewpoint and
cannot,and will not, change it at this late a date.

[AGWFacts]

Indeed it is impossible for any sane human being to understand
what he is desperately trying to say. But there are many millions
of people just like him: they believe they have refuted 5,000+
years of science and observation, yet they cannot write a coherent
sentence.

> Harry K

[AGWFacts]

On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 10:41:31 -0600, Jim <jim...@brightok.com>
wrote:

> AGWFacts wrote:
> > On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 17:34:07 -0800 (PST), Amyellen Leib
> > <Amyell...@thegamerstudio.com> wrote:
> >
> >> You seem to be ones who would support efforts to get free energy "out
> >> in the open." And so I write You in the hopes that You can help in My
> >
> > There is no such thing as "free energy." It's impossible.
> >
> >

> > "I'd like the globe to warm another degree or two or three... and CO2 levels
> > to increase perhaps another 100ppm - 300ppm." -- cato...@sympatico.ca

> Of course your sig line tells me what you KNOW.
> I also would rather have a warmer Earth than a colder one, however take

You mean you are a homicidal sociopath. Okay. I'll add you to the
list.

[The Skeptic Tank]

AGWFacts <AGWF...@ipcc.org> wrote:
>On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 17:34:07 -0800 (PST), Amyellen Leib
><Amyell...@thegamerstudio.com> wrote:
>> You seem to be ones who would support efforts to get free energy "out
>> in the open." And so I write You in the hopes that You can help in My
>There is no such thing as "free energy." It's impossible.

Half of these drooling morons know it, the other half do not. It's a
money making fraud for half of them, preying upon the delusions of the
others.

---
http://www.skeptictank.org/

[Jim]

Nope, not a homicidal sociopath, I just prefer warm weather to cold
weather. Plus it's easier to grow food in a warm climate than it is in a
cold one.
But I see you pick and choose what you reply to.
I've ran into many people who will argue with a brick wall, and think
they have won. You seem to be another one of them.

When the new electric generators hit the market, please don't buy one,
that would be proving that you don't know what you are talking about.
So, you can either reply or ignore this - as I will ignore any other
dumb replies from you.

[harry k]

On Jan 31, 8:41 am, Jim <jimw...@brightok.com> wrote:
> AGWFacts wrote:
> > On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 17:34:07 -0800 (PST), Amyellen Leib
> > <Amyellen.L...@thegamerstudio.com> wrote:
>
> >> You seem to be ones who would support efforts to get free energy "out
> >> in the open."  And so I write You in the hopes that You can help in My
>
> > There is no such thing as "free energy." It's impossible.
>
> > --
> > "I'd like the globe to warm another degree or two or three...  and CO2 levels

> > to increase perhaps another 100ppm - 300ppm." -- caton...@sympatico.ca

>
> Of course your sig line tells me what you KNOW.
> I also would rather have a warmer Earth than a colder one, however take

> a look athttp://iceagenow.info/

>
> Also, since you seem to be harping about AGW (anthropogenic global
> warming) and not "climate change" being a fact, then could you tell me
> just who the heck is driving their SUV's around on Mars? Or the other
> planets? I mean, if it's obvious that humans are the ONLY thing causing
> global warming then the fact that the other planets are also warming up
> MUST mean that humans are doing it!
>

And just where did you get the odd notion that anyone is claiming
antropogenic GW is the _only_ thing happening? The current climae
change is proceeding at a rate that fare exceeds anything seen in past
records and that includes scientific data going back over a hundred
thousand years (Ice cores)..

> As for "free energy" what do you think people 200 years ago would say
> about an atomic power plant? They would have considered it "free" energy.
>

And would have been displayhing their ignorance of what "free energy"
is. Any educated peson 200 years ago would have known that there was
some energy souce input that they didn't understand.

> We are idiots that know a minute fraction about reality and are
> egotistic enough to think we know it all. There are more things to
> discover and many of them will look like magic,"free" or impossible to
> the scientists of today.

Don't hold your breath until "free energy" is found. That would be
fatal to your health.

> Do not throw out all ideals that don't agree with what you think you
> know. Many of them just may teach you something different.
>
> But, then this is just a wasted post. Nothing will change your mind, you
> have spent too much time and effort building up your viewpoint and
> cannot,and will not, change it at this late a date.

When someone other than the kooks, magnet monkeys, etc are promoting a
working "fee energy device" let us know.

Harry K

[Jim]

Call it "free energy" "B energy" "anti-energy" or whatever you want, but
our present forms of energy are a joke.
Most inventions from the past were found when someone was looking for
something else, or pure accident.

So, because you think "free energy" is some kind of scam or joke then we
should stop ALL research for alternative energy sources?
And don't pull up those jokes about wind power, or solar power. When a
wind generator has to be shut down because the wind is blowing,
SOMETHING is wrong! Solar power has never broken the 10% efficiency
rating to my knowledge.

My feeling is to allow people to investigate and experiment with so
called "free energy" and through accident they may find something useful.

Or should we listen to the people, like Charles H. Duell? He was
Commissioner of the U.S. patent office and is reported to have said
"Everything that can be invented has been invented." Kinda of a stuck up
attitude as far as I can see. I think that almost nothing has been
invented, and we as a species have much more to learn and discover than
we have learned and discovered to date.

Basically, I don't care what they call it, as long as they can get it to
work. Reminds me of the "cold fusion" that was poo-pooed and ridiculed,
now scientists world wide are working on it and admit it does produce
more energy that was put in. There is still debate as to whether it is
fusion or some other unknown process, but it does happen. How many years
of research was wasted because too many people ridiculed it? What kind
of energy sources would we have now if it had been properly investigated
when first reported? That is what I don't like about the attitude of
"I know best and ya ain't gonna investigate that junk!" Open your mind a
bit and look around!

[Mr A Clarke]

"Jim" <jim...@brightok.com> wrote in message
news:EkfWq.24$W01....@sooner.brightok.net...

At last someone here with an open mind.
Conclusion from chatting with these people here several months ago however
is that seeing is believing. They simply will not discuss this topic here
even
though the Newsgroup is actually for it (you are warned).
At the other end of the chat spectrum we have also had those that want to
spoil a good conversation with hyping-it-up too; still, there is nothing
stopping
us going somewhere else to formulate a good thread/ debate and maybe post
the
results back here occassionally.

Ashley Clarke

PS Free Energy (or whatever...) really is going to be a new Science
discipline.

[Jim]

still, there is nothing
> stopping
> us going somewhere else to formulate a good thread/ debate and maybe post
> the
> results back here occassionally.
>
> Ashley Clarke
>
> PS Free Energy (or whatever...) really is going to be a new Science
> discipline.
>
>

Thank you Ashley.
With that warning I'll leave them to their masturbation.
As for going somewhere else, unless it's a forum that the mods don't
mind giving people like that the boot, then they will just follow. It
seems that type have nothing better (or else) to do.
I don't know, maybe they are paid to discourage people.

Anyway, have a great life!!

[harry k]

> bit and look around!- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Noone is stoppign anyone from wasting their time playing around with
physically impossible things. That they _may_ discover something is
always possible but reality is that what they "discover" will not be
"free energy".

Harry K

[Jim]

> Noone is stoppign anyone from wasting their time playing around with
> physically impossible things. That they _may_ discover something is
> always possible but reality is that what they "discover" will not be
> "free energy".
>
> Harry K

OH!
OK!
Now I understand!
You have apparently wandered into the wrong newsgroup! What you are
looking for is alt.semantics! If there is no such newsgroup then maybe
you can start one!
For the readers that may not know what semantics is, try
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantics

Meanwhile, to amuse yourself, go to the nearest store (it does not seem
to mater what kind), get a shopping cart and go down the isles. You can
quickly fill the cart with items that have a label that says something
like "25% more FREE" (the percentage will vary). Take the full cart to
the checkout and tell them that you don't want to buy anything, you just
want the FREE portion!
If you are unwilling to do this simple experiment then you are just
another ignorant blowhard.

[harry k]

On Feb 2, 4:25 am, Jim <jimw...@brightok.com> wrote:
> > Noone is stoppign anyone from wasting their time playing around with
> > physically impossible things.  That they _may_ discover something is
> > always possible but reality is that what they "discover" will not be
> > "free energy".
>
> > Harry K
>
> OH!
> OK!
> Now I understand!
> You have apparently wandered into the wrong newsgroup! What you are
> looking for is alt.semantics! If there is no such newsgroup then maybe
> you can start one!

> For the readers that may not know what semantics is, tryhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantics

>
> Meanwhile, to amuse yourself, go to the nearest store (it does not seem
> to mater what kind), get a shopping cart and go down the isles. You can
> quickly fill the cart with items that have a label that says something
> like "25% more FREE" (the percentage will vary). Take the full cart to
> the checkout and tell them that you don't want to buy anything, you just
> want the FREE portion!
> If you are unwilling to do this simple experiment then you are just
> another ignorant blowhard.

So you are so moronic you think geting something free in a store
equals free energy?...well of course you are. You believe there _is_
free engergy.

Go back to playing with you magnets, you justmight be able to get that
last one into juuussssttt the riiiigghhhht position this time.

Harry K

[Jim]

> So you are so moronic you think geting something free in a store
> equals free energy?...well of course you are. You believe there _is_
> free engergy.
>
> Go back to playing with you magnets, you justmight be able to get that
> last one into juuussssttt the riiiigghhhht position this time.
>
> Harry K

Call it what you want. ANY "free energy" found will eventually have a
valid scientific explanation. Just because YOU may not know what it is
now does not mean it does not exist.

Perhaps you might start by studying Maxwell's laws. Not the small piece
of garbage that is taught to everyone now. His laws are vastly more
complex than even EE's study. Hertzel "simplified" them and tossed out
most, because they were "too complicated" and would just confuse
everyone. So, present understanding of electronics and magnetics are
VERY basic. What is taught to everyone now is basically Hertzel's
simplification of Maxwell's laws!

Until I know what Maxwell knew, inside and out, then I cannot say WHAT
may be overlooked.

But, obviously YOU are so perfect that YOU don't need to excuse yourself
or study anything!

[Jim]

> So you are so moronic you think geting something free in a store
> equals free energy?...well of course you are. You believe there _is_
> free engergy.

Define FREE

[AGWFacts]

On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 22:11:59 -0600, Jim <jim...@brightok.com>

wrote:

> AGWFacts wrote:
> > On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 10:41:31 -0600, Jim <jim...@brightok.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> AGWFacts wrote:
> >>> On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 17:34:07 -0800 (PST), Amyellen Leib
> >>> <Amyell...@thegamerstudio.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> You seem to be ones who would support efforts to get free energy "out
> >>>> in the open." And so I write You in the hopes that You can help in My
> >>> There is no such thing as "free energy." It's impossible.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "I'd like the globe to warm another degree or two or three... and CO2 levels
> >>> to increase perhaps another 100ppm - 300ppm." -- cato...@sympatico.ca
> >
> >> Of course your sig line tells me what you KNOW.
> >> I also would rather have a warmer Earth than a colder one, however take
> >
> > You mean you are a homicidal sociopath. Okay. I'll add you to the
> > list.

> Nope, not a homicidal sociopath, I just prefer warm weather to cold
> weather. Plus it's easier to grow food in a warm climate than it is in a
> cold one.

What about the hundreds of millions of people adversely effected?
Sheeeish.

[AGWFacts]

Indeed, I some times wonder if the peretrators of the "free
energy" scams out-number the victims, based upon the massive
number of web sites out there defrauding people.

[AGWFacts]

You are, of course, correct. The human portion of the current
global temperature increase is thought by the world's experts on
the subject to be no more than 80%, and no less than 65%. None of
the wporld's experts on the subject have said humans caused 100%
of the current global temperature anomaly.

> > As for "free energy" what do you think people 200 years ago would say
> > about an atomic power plant? They would have considered it "free" energy.

Idiot.

> And would have been displaying their ignorance of what "free energy"

> is. Any educated peson 200 years ago would have known that there was
> some energy souce input that they didn't understand.

Indeed. As you no doubt know, and "jim" does not know, attempts to
produce "free energy" go back at least to ancient Ionia, some
2,300 years ago. Some of the oldest drawings of "free energy"
devices come from 1,200 years ago. By the year 1,400 or so
scientists understood why "free energy" is impossible, even though
many of them stll tried to produce it right up to the late 1800s.

> > We are idiots that know a minute fraction about reality and are
> > egotistic enough to think we know it all. There are more things to
> > discover and many of them will look like magic,"free" or impossible to
> > the scientists of today.

> Don't hold your breath until "free energy" is found. That would be
> fatal to your health.

"Free energy" is impossible for exactly the same reason 1>2 is
impossible. Energy is a quantity, a number, a "how much:" it is
not a thing.

> > Do not throw out all ideals that don't agree with what you think you
> > know. Many of them just may teach you something different.

Idiot.

> > But, then this is just a wasted post. Nothing will change your mind, you

Evidence changes my mind. There is no evidence "free energy"
exists.

> > have spent too much time and effort building up your viewpoint and
> > cannot,and will not, change it at this late a date.

> When someone other than the kooks, magnet monkeys, etc are promoting a
> working "fee energy device" let us know.

I wonder if he also believes playing with rubber bands is "free
energy." After all, they snap back when he pulls on them.

> Harry K

--
"I'd like the globe to warm another degree or two or three... and CO2 levels

to increase perhaps another 100ppm - 300ppm." -- cato...@sympatico.ca

[AGWFacts]

On Wed, 01 Feb 2012 12:17:08 -0600, Jim <jim...@brightok.com>
wrote:

None of which exist.

> but our present forms of energy are a joke.

It's all that exists, Shit-for-brains.

> Most inventions from the past were found when someone was looking for
> something else, or pure accident.

Idiot. "Free energy" is impossible.

> So, because you think "free energy" is some kind of scam or joke then we
> should stop ALL research for alternative energy sources?

Idiot. The subject is "free energy," Shit-for-brains: not
alternative sources of energy. Sheeeish.

--
"I'd like the globe to warm another degree or two or three... and CO2 levels

to increase perhaps another 100ppm - 300ppm." -- cato...@sympatico.ca

[Mr A Clarke]

"Jim" <jim...@brightok.com> wrote in message

news:TizWq.28$W01....@sooner.brightok.net...

No, I`ve got a better one;

Define IDIOT !!!

[harry k]

In your context "getting more enegy out than you put in" - impossible.

Harry K

[harry k]

On Feb 2, 11:43 am, "Mr A Clarke" <aclarke2...@toucansurf.com> wrote:
> "Jim" <jimw...@brightok.com> wrote in message

Simple, look in your mirror.

Hry K

[harry k]

On Jan 31, 8:11 pm, Jim <jimw...@brightok.com> wrote:
> AGWFacts wrote:

> > On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 10:41:31 -0600, Jim <jimw...@brightok.com>

> > wrote:
>
> >> AGWFacts wrote:
> >>> On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 17:34:07 -0800 (PST), Amyellen Leib
> >>> <Amyellen.L...@thegamerstudio.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> You seem to be ones who would support efforts to get free energy "out
> >>>> in the open."  And so I write You in the hopes that You can help in My
> >>> There is no such thing as "free energy." It's impossible.
>
> >>> "I'd like the globe to warm another degree or two or three...  and CO2 levels

> >>> to increase perhaps another 100ppm - 300ppm." -- caton...@sympatico.ca

>
> >> Of course your sig line tells me what you KNOW.
> >> I also would rather have a warmer Earth than a colder one, however take
>
> > You mean you are a homicidal sociopath. Okay. I'll add you to the
> > list.
>
> > --
> > "I'd like the globe to warm another degree or two or three...  and CO2 levels

> > to increase perhaps another 100ppm - 300ppm." -- caton...@sympatico.ca

>
> Nope, not a homicidal sociopath, I just prefer warm weather to cold
> weather. Plus it's easier to grow food in a warm climate than it is in a
> cold one.
> But I see you pick and choose what you reply to.
> I've ran into many people who will argue with a brick wall, and think
> they have won. You seem to be another one of them.
>
> When the new electric generators hit the market, please don't buy one,
> that would be proving that you don't know what you are talking about.
> So, you can either reply or ignore this - as I will ignore any other

> dumb replies from you.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

here's a deal for you. Stop pushing your lies until you can point to
one of your magic generators on a store shelf and then get back to us.

If is such a thing as a critical mass of stupidity you are approaching
it.

Harry K

[AGWFacts]

Otherwise known as "magic."

> Harry K

--
"I'd like the globe to warm another degree or two or three... and CO2 levels

to increase perhaps another 100ppm - 300ppm." -- cato...@sympatico.ca