Jim Wilkins <
murat...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Do you mean to mount them diagonally, so the upper panels overlap on both
> one side and the bottom? I think that would create more bracket and
> flashing problems than it solves.
Exactly. At 45 degrees to vertical there is no "bottom", just two upper edges
overlapped by panels above and two lower edges overlapping the panels below.
Edges will of course require flashing.
This does result in a stacking effect, with panels three high at one corner.
The other corners will elevate by varying amounts depending on the panel shape.
But, the elevation above the frame is regular. Zero, one or two spacers seem
like enough.
> The more I consider it the more I like straight
> rows of panels that overlap at top/bottom with corrugated plastic panels
> under the side gaps,
Flat mounting is certainly the norm, and it's much simpler geometrically.
Maybe there's a simple flashing scheme that'll be rain-shedding.
> perhaps white to match the underside of the panels and
> split narrower to give more clearance to lift the panels from below and cost
> less. Then you can install them and connect the wiring from a stepladder.
> They might not completely block a wind-driven rain but would you be using
> the patio then?
To some extent, yes. It's nice to have outdoor space that's dry.
Not mandatory, but desirable.
> You could model the installation with 2x4s leaning on a sawhorse for the
> roof and two panels tied to them with string, to test shading and drip
> resistance.
I agree that a scale model might be the next step. My "National Geographic"
model on the dining table is helpful, but the magazines are too thin and
too flexible to reveal the stacking problems. It looks like about a dozen
panels are needed to see how stacking effects accumulate. Small boards with
shape and thickness proportional to panels would be helpful.
> If you don't have better test equipment solar panels can be
> shorted through an ammeter to measure output, compared to their rated Isc
> (short circuit current).
>
> I use this Volt-Amp-Watt meter to measure their power into a variable load:
>
https://www.amazon.com/PEACEFAIR-PZEM-031-6-5-100V-Electric-Industry/dp/B07RQTXNRN
> For the load a 5 Ohm 250 Watt rotary rheostat is ideal for a 100W panel, a
> cheaper tubular resistor with a sliding contact becomes too hot to adjust.
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I'd think panel manufacturers would offer output-vs-angle figures, I'll look.
> Early and late shading from panel overlap was something I hadn't considered.
> It'd probably have to be accepted as a design compromise, with some hope
> that
> bifacial panels would offer some mitigation.
>
> The scheme would require the panels go in (and, if needed, out) one
> at a time. With access from below (possible for a patio cover) that
> might be a little easier than otherwise.
>
> This idea is still very much a pipedream. The idea of bifacial panels,
> either mounted at elevated angles on an otherwise-unsuitable roof or
> flush in a shade structure, is a new twist to my knowledge.
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> Some of my panels are on the lawn where I can manually track the sun. They
> give very little output when facing the sky in the wrong direction. I made
> folding supports for them from 1/2" EMT cut in half.
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I can't really do meaningful experiments on the ground; too many trees.
Rooftop exposure is much better. For now it's just a thought experiment.
Thanks for writing!
bob prohaska