Emergency power for Refrigerator and Freezer...
hoagie
house - I need HELP!
If you had a generator to power both units, how long would you need to run
each per day to keep food frozen and/or safe?
1) Freezer chest - door would not be opened at anytime during the power
outage.
2) Refrigerator/Freezer - each door may be opened up to six times a day
(less if I can break the kids bad habits).
Thanks,
Hoagie
Dale Farmer
hoagie wrote:
> After another lengthy power outage and transporting frozen food to parents
> house - I need HELP!
>
> If you had a generator to power both units, how long would you need to run
> each per day to keep food frozen and/or safe?
>
> 1) Freezer chest - door would not be opened at anytime during the power
> outage.
>
A few hours each day, depending on insulation, thermal mass inside, and
outside heat load. Fill up the genny's tank before you go to sleep and plug
the
freezer into it overnight. One of those battery powered freezer thermometers
with an external gauge is well worth the few bucks it costs.
>
> 2) Refrigerator/Freezer - each door may be opened up to six times a day
> (less if I can break the kids bad habits).
>
All the rest of the time, except when you plug in the furnace for heat and
hot water.
--Dale
Vaughn
"hoagie" <ho_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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How many hours/day do they run now? IF you run them for less than that
figure without changing your usage patterns, then you will eventually end up
with spoiled food. I have had big refrigerators with tiny compressors that
ran virtually all day in the summertime.
Vaughn
>
> Thanks,
> Hoagie
>
>
mikell
Your name is hoagie
The kids are the ones in the fridge all the time???
Where I come from you would have to EARN a name like that!!!!
mikell
hoagie
Thanks for the advice, everyone gave me some more to think about. With the
series of storms in the U.S. I am certain I'm not the only one with this
problem.
Thanks again!
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Moebius Velcro
> 2) Refrigerator/Freezer - each door may be opened up to six times a day
> (less if I can break the kids bad habits).
Padlock? Coin-op? But probably the best way do deal with it is to get
them off carbohydrate addiction.
;B
Blanche Nonken
My kids are hungry a lot, just because they're kids and they're both in
a heavy growth phase. My younger one prefers to ask for a scrambled
egg, my older one just goes off "Mom, I'm hungry AGAIN!"
Peanut butter (the real kind), eggs, cheese, hot dogs, celery, pickles,
cut-up peppers, that stuff needs temperature control (OK, maybe not so
much the eggs.) The nasty starchy snacks I *don't* keep around require
no temperature control.
(Yes, I did warn my daughter that eating just starchy things when she's
hungry won't keep her from being hungry again soon. We must be doing
something right - both of us parents have had weight control problems in
the past - me, less so now because I know how to eat - and both our
children are in good shape.)
Moebius Velcro
need to get in a homepower thread on alt.coffee to even things out ...
Blanche Nonken <bla...@nonken.net> wrote:
> zzz...@imaginary-isp.net (Moebius Velcro) wrote:
>
> > hoagie <ho_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > 2) Refrigerator/Freezer - each door may be opened up to six times a day
> > > (less if I can break the kids bad habits).
> >
> > Padlock? Coin-op? But probably the best way do deal with it is to get
> > them off carbohydrate addiction.
>
> My kids are hungry a lot, just because they're kids and they're both in
> a heavy growth phase. My younger one prefers to ask for a scrambled
> egg, my older one just goes off "Mom, I'm hungry AGAIN!"
I'm on a lo-carb diet (Atkins) as is my wife, and we've had great
results in both general health and weight. I recommend it, and it looks
like you're pretty much there from your list here
> Peanut butter (the real kind)
no sugar added?
> eggs, cheese, hot dogs
skip the bun
> celery, pickles,
> cut-up peppers, that stuff needs temperature control (OK, maybe not so
> much the eggs.)
> The nasty starchy snacks I *don't* keep around
right on
> require no temperature control.
>
> (Yes, I did warn my daughter that eating just starchy things when she's
> hungry won't keep her from being hungry again soon. We must be doing
> something right - both of us parents have had weight control problems in
> the past - me, less so now because I know how to eat - and both our
> children are in good shape.)
Keep up the good work.
;B
Blanche Nonken
> I've got a coffee discussion going on the lo-carb group, and I think I
> need to get in a homepower thread on alt.coffee to even things out ...
Hey, did I tell you I work at Starbucks? :-)
> > My kids are hungry a lot, just because they're kids and they're both in
> > a heavy growth phase. My younger one prefers to ask for a scrambled
> > egg, my older one just goes off "Mom, I'm hungry AGAIN!"
> I'm on a lo-carb diet (Atkins) as is my wife, and we've had great
> results in both general health and weight. I recommend it, and it looks
> like you're pretty much there from your list here
For me, sure. But kids are growing. They need *some* carbs (the more
complex the better) in their diet.
> > Peanut butter (the real kind)
> no sugar added?
I said *the real kind.* When you look at the ingredient list, it says
"peanuts."
> > eggs, cheese, hot dogs
> skip the bun
Kids get the bun. I do too, but I eat a hotdog a week, if that. Most
of the time the "bun" is a slice of whole-wheat bread folded around the
'dog.
> Keep up the good work.
Thanks. :-)
Moebius Velcro
> zzz...@imaginary-isp.net (Moebius Velcro) wrote:
>
> > I've got a coffee discussion going on the lo-carb group, and I think I
> > need to get in a homepower thread on alt.coffee to even things out ...
>
> Hey, did I tell you I work at Starbucks? :-)
No, you didn't. And I hope you're not offended, but ... if you mention
that on alt.coffee, you might get unkind responses; there are some
strong opinions about Starbucks' effect on the specialty coffee
business. For myself, I very much dislike the whole west coast
overly-dark roast thing (I learned to love coffee in The Boston area, at
a place run by perhaps the best roaster in the country. Light roasts
are where it's at in the east, and this guy did the lightest (and best)
Guatemalan Antigua I've ever had. Yum. Once when a customer asked him
why the French and Italian roasts did not mention the origin of the
beans, his response was "charcoal is charcoal".
>
> > > My kids are hungry a lot, just because they're kids and they're both in
> > > a heavy growth phase. My younger one prefers to ask for a scrambled
> > > egg, my older one just goes off "Mom, I'm hungry AGAIN!"
> > I'm on a lo-carb diet (Atkins) as is my wife, and we've had great
> > results in both general health and weight. I recommend it, and it looks
> > like you're pretty much there from your list here
>
> For me, sure. But kids are growing. They need *some* carbs (the more
> complex the better) in their diet.
I don't know what the minimum requirement is but I'll bet it's lower
than you think. There are places in the world where carbs are few and
far between, protein and fats are plentiful; people are quite healthy in
these places. (Read Atkins about "complex carbs", glycemic index, etc.)
snip
> > > eggs, cheese, hot dogs
> > skip the bun
>
> Kids get the bun. I do too, but I eat a hotdog a week, if that. Most
> of the time the "bun" is a slice of whole-wheat bread folded around the
> 'dog.
If you gotta do bread, do the best ... Oroweat "Best" ... two versions,
one is a multigrain and the other is winter wheat. That's about the
only thing I miss about the world of carbs. Even when I ate that stuff
I nearly totally avoided bleached flour (presented as "enriched" because
they have to do something to make it back into something vaguely
resembling food).
Besides, if you don't do buns, you totally avoid the age-old problem --
ten weenies to a package and only eight buns in a package.
;B
Blanche Nonken
> >
> > > I've got a coffee discussion going on the lo-carb group, and I think I
> > > need to get in a homepower thread on alt.coffee to even things out ...
> >
> > Hey, did I tell you I work at Starbucks? :-)
> No, you didn't. And I hope you're not offended, but ... if you mention
> that on alt.coffee, you might get unkind responses; there are some
(I'm not on the alt.coffee newsgroup, and fanatics of any type annoy me.
I realize I'm jumping to the conclusion that the "unkind responses"
would be from fanatics, or that any exist on that newsgroup at all.)
> strong opinions about Starbucks' effect on the specialty coffee
> business. For myself, I very much dislike the whole west coast
> overly-dark roast thing (I learned to love coffee in The Boston area, at
> a place run by perhaps the best roaster in the country. Light roasts
> are where it's at in the east, and this guy did the lightest (and best)
> Guatemalan Antigua I've ever had. Yum. Once when a customer asked him
> why the French and Italian roasts did not mention the origin of the
> beans, his response was "charcoal is charcoal".
<laugh> Cute.
FWIW, I dislike espresso (no matter who makes it) but find it has uses
other than on its own. I've been a coffeehead for years, and while I
dislike some of the blends we sell, I don't have a problem with the
quality of product. Starbucks' effect on the specialty business - what
sort of effect? Effect on customer-preferred roast? Foo-foo drink
popularity? Drink cost? Bean cost?
(And hey, the work environment's great, plus even as a part-timer I get
access to medical benefits, ESOP, 401-K, stock options, and job security
with a flexible schedule. That plus the coffee makes this a nice job to
have.)
> > For me, sure. But kids are growing. They need *some* carbs (the more
> > complex the better) in their diet.
> I don't know what the minimum requirement is but I'll bet it's lower
> than you think. There are places in the world where carbs are few and
My opinion's probably different from the majority of people around me.
I don't think a child needs huge amounts; however just the way their
bodies work, a girl for example will not go into puberty unless the body
fat percentage reaches a certain point (don't remember what it is.)
This doesn't mean I want to push my kid to be reproduction-ready at 10
(eek!) but I also don't want her to get this idea that Food Is The
Enemy. Consider the kind of visual/auditory/peer pressure about these
things.
> far between, protein and fats are plentiful; people are quite healthy in
> these places. (Read Atkins about "complex carbs", glycemic index, etc.)
I've read (and heard from trusted sources) about these things. I've
already told Deb why "regular" carrots don't taste like candy and "baby
style carrots" do, for example. And why sugar is sugar, whether you get
it from a cookie or an apple (pointing out at the same time why the
apple is preferable to the cookie.)
> > > > eggs, cheese, hot dogs
> > > skip the bun
> >
> > Kids get the bun. I do too, but I eat a hotdog a week, if that. Most
> > of the time the "bun" is a slice of whole-wheat bread folded around the
> > 'dog.
> If you gotta do bread, do the best ... Oroweat "Best" ... two versions,
> one is a multigrain and the other is winter wheat. That's about the
> only thing I miss about the world of carbs. Even when I ate that stuff
> I nearly totally avoided bleached flour (presented as "enriched" because
> they have to do something to make it back into something vaguely
> resembling food).
Right now our budget being what it is, I have to be a real tightwad.
Unless I can get a loaf of Oroweat for less than a buck fifty, and it's
a loaf with more than twelve slices, it's just going to have to wait
until we're back to at least one full-time income around here.
I'm lucky - I can get plain "white" flour that's unbleached, no malted
barley additives, no "enrichment." I also have a Corona mill - grind my
own wheat when baking. My 7 year old loves to help turn the crank -
she's very strong.
The "enrichment" started as far as I know in the post-depression years,
when all people could afford were like three ingredients (white flour
being one) and kids were getting nutritional deficiency diseases. It
may not be the best solution, but it's a lot more rare these days to
find kids with beri-beri, for example. (I know we've paid for that
reliance on simple starches, followed by the increase in "cheap"
processed foods, with the health problems that go alone with obesity and
high-carb diets.)
> Besides, if you don't do buns, you totally avoid the age-old problem --
> ten weenies to a package and only eight buns in a package.
I make a Weenie Omelet with the leftovers. :-)
Moebius Velcro
Blanche Nonken <bla...@nonken.net> wrote:
> ... Starbucks' effect on the specialty business - what
> sort of effect?
For one, RCA-like tactics. (Our color TV standards and our video tape
format are very mediocre compared to what else was out there before they
bulldozed their way in with a variety of evil methods.) They also
remind me of MicroSoft. And evil marketing like seeking out successful
coffee places and opening nearby. They've generated a lot of bad karma.
The place in Cambridge that I mentioned before -- my daughter was going
to school in Boston a few years ago and I asked her about the old
hangout, and I guess she was around when it changed ... she said "they
ruined it ... it's a Starbuck's now". And she's not even a coffee nut.
> Effect on customer-preferred roast?
That, and quality. Strange how my brother-in-law and his wife, who are
hotshots on wine, have few clues about coffee.
> Foo-foo drink popularity?
They have certainly had some effect there.
There's a great line in the "Y2K Boogie" by "Jim's Big Ego"
"no more decaf latta, baby!"
> Drink cost?
I'm not sure about that one.
> Bean cost?
They use really cheap beans, profit margin is huge on that angle;
the company was for a long time, maybe still is, run by a "bean counter"
(a numbers guy), not a coffee person.
If I may quote an avid home roaster, Ted Simpson:
"I strongly believe (note that word) that such dark roasts
do only mediocre coffee any favors, and are an unwarranted
assault on quality beans."
>
> (And hey, the work environment's great, plus even as a part-timer I get
> access to medical benefits, ESOP, 401-K, stock options, and job security
> with a flexible schedule. That plus the coffee makes this a nice job to
> have.)
That's probably the secrets of their success -- keep the staff happy --
and high.
...
> > > For me, sure. But kids are growing. They need *some* carbs (the more
> > > complex the better) in their diet.
> > I don't know what the minimum requirement is but I'll bet it's lower
> > than you think. There are places in the world where carbs are few and
>
> My opinion's probably different from the majority of people around me.
> I don't think a child needs huge amounts; however just the way their
> bodies work, a girl for example will not go into puberty unless the body
> fat percentage reaches a certain point (don't remember what it is.)
You can (and will) get body fat from carbs if you're not getting fats in
your diet, but you don't have to.
> This doesn't mean I want to push my kid to be reproduction-ready at 10
> (eek!) but I also don't want her to get this idea that Food Is The
> Enemy. Consider the kind of visual/auditory/peer pressure about these
> things.
>
> > far between, protein and fats are plentiful; people are quite healthy in
> > these places. (Read Atkins about "complex carbs", glycemic index, etc.)
>
> I've read (and heard from trusted sources) about these things. I've
> already told Deb why "regular" carrots don't taste like candy and "baby
> style carrots" do, for example. And why sugar is sugar, whether you get
> it from a cookie or an apple (pointing out at the same time why the
> apple is preferable to the cookie.)
At one time I was eating nothing but nuts and fruit, in the mid 70s, and
a neighbor one day said I was glowing. So I talk lo-carb fairly
intensely at times but I gotta admit that whole raw foods are great, and
the apple, what a deal. Keeps the doctor away, if well aimed.
>
> > > > > eggs, cheese, hot dogs
> > > > skip the bun
> > >
> > > Kids get the bun. I do too, but I eat a hotdog a week, if that. Most
> > > of the time the "bun" is a slice of whole-wheat bread folded around the
> > > 'dog.
> > If you gotta do bread, do the best ... Oroweat "Best" ... two versions,
> > one is a multigrain and the other is winter wheat. That's about the
> > only thing I miss about the world of carbs. Even when I ate that stuff
> > I nearly totally avoided bleached flour (presented as "enriched" because
> > they have to do something to make it back into something vaguely
> > resembling food).
>
> Right now our budget being what it is, I have to be a real tightwad.
> Unless I can get a loaf of Oroweat for less than a buck fifty, and it's
> a loaf with more than twelve slices, it's just going to have to wait
> until we're back to at least one full-time income around here.
>
I used to try to make my at-least-monthly trips to the city on
Wednesdays because that was twofers day at the Oroweat store, which has
good prices any day. If you have something like that near enough by,
you can get great stuff at great prices. We couldn't afford to consume
that stuff at the regular prices. What part of the country are you in?
These guys have outlets in Colorado Springs, Denver, Wheat Ridge,
Loveland, (all in Colo.), Albuquerque, Independence Mo., Richardson
Texas, Omaha, and Memphis.
> I'm lucky - I can get plain "white" flour that's unbleached, no malted
> barley additives, no "enrichment." I also have a Corona mill - grind my
> own wheat when baking. My 7 year old loves to help turn the crank -
> she's very strong.
Ever try the Essene bread? Sprouted wheat, oil, dash of salt, and you
can bake it in the sun. There, we're almost back on topic!!
> The "enrichment" started as far as I know in the post-depression years,
> when all people could afford were like three ingredients (white flour
> being one) and kids were getting nutritional deficiency diseases. It
> may not be the best solution, but it's a lot more rare these days to
> find kids with beri-beri, for example. (I know we've paid for that
> reliance on simple starches, followed by the increase in "cheap"
> processed foods, with the health problems that go alone with obesity and
> high-carb diets.)
The fad of white flour was like it was more "pure" ... but pure what?
>
> > Besides, if you don't do buns, you totally avoid the age-old problem --
> > ten weenies to a package and only eight buns in a package.
>
> I make a Weenie Omelet with the leftovers. :-)
We do beanie weenie when the green beans are in season ... slices of
weenies with the beans. Great stuff.
Moebius Velcro
- - -
Read it quick - the Sun is notorious for quickly deleting stories:
>http://www.canada.com/vancouver/vancouversun/story.asp?id=FAB1B406-8E8C
-41DB-B88F-C8D508317A6A
The short and fuzzy: Starbies corporate policy lumbers along again,
and thinking that customers won't buy their triple grande, low fat /
no fat half mocha twists from a barista (note the lower case "b") with
some nose jewelry, they fire the employee (actually two so far in the
local community). Problem is, they're Indo-Canadians, and that lil'
nose stud is actually part of their cultural dress.
Ooopsies.
It'll be interesting to see how Starbucks Corp. bumbles along with
this one. The Sun, home of super shoddy reporting, is sticking to this
one like glue. Which means they'll probably forget the story within a
few days.
Mark Prince: www.coffeegeek.com/users/CoffeeKid
Work: www.webmotif.com Info: www.coffeegeek.com
Pers: www.spiffle.com Cafe: www.coffeekid.com
- -
back to our thread
> > Foo-foo drink popularity?
naah ... heck with the thread.
;B
Moebius Velcro
> the Sun is notorious for quickly deleting stories:
Yup, it's gone already.
Blanche Nonken
> Copied from alt.coffee
> - - -
> Read it quick - the Sun is notorious for quickly deleting stories:
>
> >http://www.canada.com/vancouver/vancouversun/story.asp?id=FAB1B406-8E8C
> -41DB-B88F-C8D508317A6A
>
> The short and fuzzy: Starbies corporate policy lumbers along again,
> and thinking that customers won't buy their triple grande, low fat /
> no fat half mocha twists from a barista (note the lower case "b") with
> some nose jewelry, they fire the employee (actually two so far in the
> local community). Problem is, they're Indo-Canadians, and that lil'
> nose stud is actually part of their cultural dress.
>
> Ooopsies.
>
> It'll be interesting to see how Starbucks Corp. bumbles along with
> this one. The Sun, home of super shoddy reporting, is sticking to this
> one like glue. Which means they'll probably forget the story within a
> few days.
That's weird - every S'bucks in the US I've ever visited ignores the
piercing policy. Hell, _I_ violate the piercing policy.
Harry Chickpea
>The short and fuzzy: Starbies corporate policy lumbers along again,
Can you explain how this relates to homepower? Are there guns involved?
Moebius Velcro
This is tacked on to the end of a thread that drifted off and was until
this posting appropriately labeled "drifting OT ..."
Chuck / KE4ETH
"Moebius Velcro" <zzz...@imaginary-isp.net> wrote in message
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I have nothing to add, but I am finding the conversation interesting.
If you don't want to read it, don't.
My opinion.
Chuck
Harry Chickpea
>I have nothing to add, but I am finding the conversation interesting.
>
>If you don't want to read it, don't.
How about
If you want to have an off-topic conversation take it somewhere else.
I get tired of people that don't understand the word "rude" and I reserve the
right to be rude right back. This is alt.energy.homepower, not
alt.guns.mine.is.bigger.than.yours or alt.starbucks.interesting.drivel.
Moebius Velcro
> I get tired of people that don't understand the word "rude" and I reserve the
> right to be rude right back. This is alt.energy.homepower, not
> alt.guns.mine.is.bigger.than.yours or alt.starbucks.interesting.drivel.
You understand thread drift? How about name drift, Mr. Hairy Chick Pee?