Workbench 3.1 adf for Amiga Forever?
Eric Feliu
I have been very interested in getting into the Amiga scene, but I have
had some problems and wanted to ask for some guidance. When I first learned
of Amiga emulation I got very excited, because I always wanted to have an
amiga, but I couldn't afford one back when they were popular. One website
"Amiga Emulation Zone" that used to be run by Shane Monroe, really sold me
onto the Cloanto "Amiga Forever" software package. This package was supposed
to let me run an emulated Amiga legally and I was all for that. Since I
never had an amiga before, I really did not know how to use it and pretty
much stopped messing with it after a month. I couldn't get deluxe galaga to
work (which I really wanted to play) and had no idea what commands to run
from the command prompt. So I had paid for something that I could not use
(It was only $19.95, so no big deal) Well recently I tried to use the Amiga
in a box software enhancement which supposedly can help amiga newbies
actually use the amiga, but it has a requirement that says I need the 3.1
Workbench ADF file. Well it turns out that Amiga forever only provides an
adf file for workbench 1.3, and the workbench 3.1 is pre-installed (I guess
that means it's an hard disk image). I think the 4.0 upgrade of amiga
forever might have the adf I need, but I feel the $19.95 upgrade price is a
little high, especially if it does not help me run the Amiga in a box
upgrade. Is there a way for me to convert the workbench 3.1 files provided
by amiga forever into an adf file? I feel that cloanto is trying to rip me
off (I mean they want me to pay full price for an upgrade of software I
purchased 6 months prior to the upgrade?). I am sorry if I posted an off
topic question to this newsgroup.
Eric
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Angelo Vigliotti
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> Hello Amiga fans,
>
> I have been very interested in getting into the Amiga scene, but I
have
> had some problems and wanted to ask for some guidance. When I first
learned
> of Amiga emulation I got very excited, because I always wanted to have an
> amiga, but I couldn't afford one back when they were popular. One website
> Eric
Either you didn't read the information at AIAB site about the 3.1WB thing
and how to use your Cloanto install to make a bootable 3.1 adf for
AIAB OR you never bought the Cloanto package to begin with.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt but you'll have to do the work.
It's a RTFM issue. Go back to the AIAB site and read about how you
can make a useable 3.1 boot adf for the AIAB package from
your Amiga Forever setup. The info is right there on the site, not
hidden or under arcane links.
James Vigliotti
Eric Feliu
Thanks for the benefit of a doubt thing. I do have Amiga forever, and I
was not asking for a copy of the adf file. I just wanted to know if there is
a way to convert my image of the 3.1 to an adf. Before I posted my request I
did check on both the Amiga Forever and Amiga in a box pages and neither had
any information on that subject. I just re-checked the Amiga in a Box site
and I still didn't see any FAQS on how to convert what I have to an adf. I
even perused the forum and found nothing. If you have a specific URL with
the info you say is there that would be very helpful. Maybe I should ask
Cloanto to email me a copy of the ADF, since I thought that what I was
paying for when I bought the software from them originally anyway. I just
thought someone here could point me in the right direction, but instead my
integrity is put in question. Thanks for making me feel welcome.
Eric
P.S. I have no idea what an "RTFM issue" is.
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István Fábián
acronym for: Read The Funky Manual. The word with F might be slightly
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Fierman
I think Eric has a point: it DOES NOT read on the aiab site how you could
transfer the hd installed WB 3.1 to a diskimage..
Cloanto provides the information... (duh..)
http://cloanto.com/kb/3-133.html
Now let's all wear our Happy Helmets & enjoy the rest of the day
Angelo Vigliotti
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If you read the links and forum on AIAB, it's there as well.
Of course it's part of Cloanto's package (the make_floppy).
Why do you think they have top billing at the AIAB site? ;-)
James Vigliotti
Fierman
Angelo Vigliotti <jame...@home.com> schreef in berichtnieuws
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James, have YOU actually read the links and the forum??
Not lately I'm sure... Please do so now...
Fierman
Alex Hopson
Using Amiga Forever with AIAB
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AmigaForever does not come with a Workbench 3.x ADF, and therefore you'll be
somewhat
buggered by the time you get to the 'Insert Workbench ADF now' stage.
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UPDATE: Gordon Bland emailed with this solution!
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>Hi James,
>
>I just bought the Amiga Forever software yesterday. Since then I have come
across your
>Amiga In A Box software. As usual I came up against the problem of their
being a WB3.1
>disk being needed. I couldn't find one anywhere and your Amiga Forever
script didn't
>seem to work properly. Anyway, I came across an article on the web
>http://cloanto.com/kb/3-133.html about that from within Amiga Forever you
can create a
>WB3.1 adf file.
> 1. Creat a blank floppy in DF0:
> 2. From a shell window type in Execute S:make floppy.bat
>
>This will prep the disk and copy the necessary files over.
>During this process, I got to the 75% initilisation stage and then the
program responded
>with an error. When I checked, the wb31.adf still existed, so I tried it
and it works
>!!!! I now have a lovely AIAB screen, which I'm about to change for the All
Saints pic.
>
>Thank you very much for an awesome program and this should help many other
frustrated
>Amiga Forever owners.
>Regards, Gordon
Cheers Gordon! So, give it a try - if it works, great...if not then keep
reading!
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Well, in this folder you'll find a cheap-and-nasty batch file which ought to
copy the
AmigaForever OS files to your AIAB setup. It relies on both AmigaForever
and AIAB being
installed to the default locations, so if this is not the case, you can
either give up, or
attempt to edit the script yourself.
NB: You may wish to back up your AmigaForever installation first, before
attempting to
~~ execute this script.
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* USAGE: Copy this script to the C:\Program Files\Cloanto\Amiga Forever\
folder! *
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Please note that this is by no means ideal, and that using a proper
Workbench 3.x ADF is
still the best option. However, it ought to enable a few more people to try
AIAB.
If anyone out there fancies making a better script, or indeed a Win32 exe
specifically for
the job (hey, it could even search for Kickstart 3.x ROMs too!) don't
hesitate to contact
me.
Hope it works peeps (let me know if it does) - fingers crossed!
James Maurice Battle - jay...@aiab.freeserve.co.uk
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Angelo Vigliotti
> James, have YOU actually read the links and the forum??
> Not lately I'm sure... Please do so now...
>
> Fierman
You know, since my last answer to you I figured you're just lazy and
clicking on
something called README on the main page next to the AIAB download
links might be difficult so here.
http://aiab.emuunlim.com/aiab-readme.txt
Still lazy? Ok excerpt from the web page readme
"NB: If you have AmigaForever, please read the Docs\AmigaForever-readme.txt
file now!
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1. Load WinUAE from wherever you installed it (Ie: C:\WinUAE\WinUAE.exe)
2. Click "OK" on the WinUAE gui - thats right, DONT FIDDLE ABOUT!
You can edit/load the other configs to your hearts content later!
3.
After a short wait, youll see some text, and a prompt to press return.
Press return and a requester stating 'No disk present in drive 0'. At
this point you'll need to insert your Workbench 3.1/3.0 ADF: [The
hardest bit]
3.1 Press F12 to bring up the WinUAE GUI.
3.2 Click the 'Floppies' page tab.
3.3 Click the file-requestor button (...)
3.4 Find and select your Workbench 3.1/3.0 ADF (ie: WB31.adf)
3.5 Click "OK" - the WinUAE GUI will disappear, and wait.
NB: If you're using AmigaForever and dont have a Workbench 3.x ADF, please
~~ take a look at the readme in the Docs\ folder for a solution (of
sorts)."
STILL LAZY? OK here is the exact item the web page readme directs
you to.
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GOOD ENOUGH FOR YA? It amazes me how lazy people can be even if all
they have to do is move a mouse and read. Sad.
James Vigliotti
SaintLo
> GOOD ENOUGH FOR YA? It amazes me how lazy people can be even if all
> they have to do is move a mouse and read. Sad.
>
>
> James Vigliotti
>
Do you ever attempt to be helpful? Ever pretend to be useful? All I ever see
from you are criticisms and flames. I am sure your Amiga knowlege would be
helpful to someone if you weren't such a jerk about everything.
Fierman
ha!! I DID read it... and guess what??
It all points to either the documentation in the amigaforever package, OR to
the cloanto page.. And that is exactly what I said in my first post:
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Fierman wrote:
Whatever the slagging..
I think Eric has a point: it DOES NOT read on the aiab site how you could
transfer the hd installed WB 3.1 to a diskimage..
Cloanto provides the information... (duh..)
http://cloanto.com/kb/3-133.html
Now let's all wear our Happy Helmets & enjoy the rest of the day
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Still I haven't seen a proof of the presence of that information on the aiab
site, and that is just exactly what I was referring to..
Now.. who are you calling lazy?? I guess you didnt even take the effort
reading this thread....
l8r, Fierman
fu: alt.flame
Angelo Vigliotti
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You really haven't been around long have you? I've given hundreds of help
bits to quite a few people. Try google for past responses from me and show
me all of these criticisms and flames you claim. Be careful in the reading
and
don't attribute others quotes to me from follow-ups missing the conversation
attribute indents.
If you followed the thread, THIS was a response to....
"Fierman" <fie...@dds.nl> wrote in message
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> James, have YOU actually read the links and the forum??
> Not lately I'm sure... Please do so now...
>
> Fierman"
Whom obviously did not read the links (it was on the main page)
And just wanted to quip claiming foul over his own mistake blaming
someone else.
Fierman, you owe me one "oops yes it is there, shouldn't have been
so quick to judge"
James Vigliotti
Angelo Vigliotti
> It all points to either the documentation in the amigaforever package, OR
to
> the cloanto page.. And that is exactly what I said in my first post:
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> Fierman wrote:
You really are funny. All of what I posted came exclusively from the
AIAB website. NONE of it came from Cloanto's website.
Did you miss the direct links and quotes from those links for some
arcane reason.
You find yourself wrong and wish to play semantics over it being
"within" a file from the AIAB website instead of admitting that
it's actually coming from the website and not Cloanto's per se.
And the text I posted was NOT from Cloanto's website even
if they might have that info there as well. All of it came from,
funny that, a readme on the main page that pointed to the documentation
in the AIAB download, ON the same page. Imagine that.
James Vigliotti
Eric Feliu
Thanks to some instructions from James I was able to get AIAB up and
running. I did not realize that my question would cause so much trouble.
Regardless of what all of you say the information for how to setup anything
Amiga related is very hard for someone who never actually worked with a real
Amiga. I imagine a lot of people buy the CDROM version of Amiga Forever and
they never have to worry about making an 3.1 ADF file. I purchased the
online version "which for space reasons" does not include any extras. Well
I'm up and running now, thanks to James. Just reading through this thread
some of you remind me of System Administrators I have had to work with in
the past. I can just see your eyes rolling when someone posts a newbie
question. Well thanks for the help.
Eric
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