The Proof
Sivle nora
Okay..., You people have been trying to get me to post proof for some time now.
I've just now had time to type it all up for you. If anyone out there can come
up with as much legitimate proof that he's dead as I have that he's alive..., I
will drop the whole thing. However, I don't believe there's any danger in that
happening.
ELVIS: DEAD OR ALIVE ?
1. Elvis' name is misspelled on his tombstone. Elvis' full name is Elvis
'Aron' Presley...,
not Elvis 'Aaron' Presley. His father would not have let this happen. When
Elvis was
born, his name was misspelled on his birth certificate and his father went to
great lengths
to get the error corrected. The spelling of Elvis' name was very important to
the Presley
family. They wanted Elvis to see that Aron was part of Garon (Garon is the
middle name
of Elvis' twin brother that was stillborn). Why the misspelling on the
tombstone? Some
say it is because Elvis did not want to tempt fate.
2. Elvis' current resting place is in between his father and his grandmother
and not next
to his mother where he had adamantly requested. It is doubtful that the people
close to
him would allow these things to happen. Elvis is a superstitious man - enough
so that he
wouldn't tempt fate by putting his real name on a tombstone, for violate the
ground next
to his mother until he was ready to be placed there for good.
3. Elvis was very vain, and he was embarrassed about his recent weight gain -
An
astonishing 50 pounds in the month before his so-called death. Even though he
weighed
250 pounds at the time of his death, his death certificate lists him at a spry
170 pounds.
The original death certificate disappeared, and the current death certificate
is dated two
months after his alleged death.
4. Elvis' coffin required several pall bearers because it weighed 900 pounds.
Attendants
at the funeral reported that the air around the coffin was rather cool. It is
suspected that
the coffin contained an air conditioning unit or dry ice to keep a wax body
cool. A was
body that was a replica of Elvis designed to fool funeral- goers. And how did
the Presley
family get a 900 pound, custom made coffin ready for a funeral that was held on
the day
after his death? It takes a lot of time to build such and elaborate coffin.
Alanna Nash,
formerly of the Louisville Courier-Journal, who viewed the body in the casket
twice,
commented on how wax-like it looked. La Costa, sister of Tanya Tucker, said,
"We were
right up to the casket and stood there, and God, I couldn't believe it. He
looked just like a
piece of plastic laying there. He didn't look like Elvis at all... He looked
more like a
dummy that a real person."
5. And why have the funeral so quickly? Some speculate that the immediacy was
intended to make it as difficult as possible for the people who were Elvis'
biggest fans
(heads of fan clubs, etc.) to attend the proceedings. It could be a concern
that they might
recognize the flaws in the wax replica..., many of which were noticed anyway.
6. Elvis was an 8th degree black belt whose hands were rough with calluses,
yet the body
in the coffin had hands that were soft and pudgy. The body in the coffin had a
pug nose
and arched eyebrows (unlike Elvis) and most importantly, one of the sideburns
on the
corpse was loose and falling off. A hairdresser later reported gluing the
sideburn back on
the body.
7. Two hours after Elvis' death was announced publicly, a man who reportedly
looked
remarkably like Elvis purchased a ticket for Buenos Aeries, paid in cash, and
used the
name John Burrows: the name Elvis had used as an alias several times before.
8. He had a few books that were considered to be his most prized possessions.
He had a
Bible, several pharmaceutical books, books on death, and most importantly
Cheiro's
Book of Numbers and the Autobiography of a Yogi. After his death was
announced,
these books disappeared and were never recovered. Also missing were specific
pieces of
jewelry and pictures of his mother.
9. In the weeks preceding his alleged death, Elvis' actions were not those of
a man who
was about to embark on an extensive US tour. He ordered no new suits despite
having
gained 50 pounds since his last tour.
10. Elvis fired several employees that he had relied upon for a long time.
11. Two days before his alleged death, Elvis telephoned a friend of his named
Miss
Foster (Elvis had been friends with her for a long time because she reminded
him of his
mother). He told her that he wasn't planning on going on the upcoming tour.
She asked
him if he had canceled it, and he said that he had not. When she asked if he
was ill, he
said that he was fine, and that she should not ask any more questions or tell
anyone
anything, and that she should not believe anything she reads. He told her that
his troubles
would all soon be over, and that he would call her in a few weeks. The author
of Elvis
Where Are You? writes that Miss Foster took a polygraph test regarding this
story, and
that she was not lying.
12. The day after Elvis' alleged death, a woman named Lucy De Barbon, a former
lover
of Elvis', received a single rose in the mail. The card indicated that the
flower was from
"El Lancelot". This had been her pet name for Elvis, and it was a name that no
one else
knew. Flowers can't be sent from beyond the grave.
13. Elvis had many reasons to fake his death. Elvis life was in danger. He
had recently
lost $10,000,000 in an airplane/real estate deal with a California based
organization
called the "Fraternity" that had links to the Mafia. It is speculated that he
corroborated
with the government to expose the organized crime ring in exchange for
protection -
perhaps in the form of a new life and identity compliments of the witness
relocation
program.
14. Elvis was a prisoner of his own fame. He had many other reasons to leave
his life
behind. Because of his incredible popularity, he was the recipient of several
death
threats, and he was concerned about the safety of his wife and daughter.
Sometimes
when he wanted to leave Graceland, he would send out look-alikes to distract
would be
followers. Elvis was also known to ride in the trunk of someone else's car to
avoid
detection.
15. Elvis had the means to fake his own death. He is accused of destroying
himself with
drugs. In reality, Elvis was a pharmaceutical expert. He took a lot of drugs,
but he knew
what he was doing and was extremely careful. He knew what drugs he could self-
administer to create a deathlike state. Further, Elvis' experience with the
martial arts was
such that he could slow his heart rate and breathing in order to feign death.
16. Elvis' manager, Colonel Tom Parker, had once created a new identity for
himself.
He came to this country as an illegal immigrant from Holland, but through
various
connections managed to create an elaborate identity complete with a passport,
birth
certificate, drivers' license, and social security number. He would have known
how to
give Elvis a second life.
17. Elvis' Lloyds of London life insurance policy still has not been cashed
in. Why? It is
not illegal to fake your death as long as you don't profit from it.
18. There was a helicopter hovering over Graceland just moments before Elvis
was
found dead. Did Elvis get on that helicopter? Did the helicopter drop off
another body
to take Elvis' place? Monte Nicholson, a veteran with the Los Angeles
Sheriff's Dept.,
writes in his novel The Presley Arrangement about a government helicopter
hovering
over Graceland, and finally landing in the back. Nicholson was informed there
were
pictures of Elvis getting on the helicopter during the early afternoon of
August 16.
Others report seeing a helicopter - including Larry Geller in his book If I Can
Dream:
Elvis' Own Story, who says he saw from his window at Howard Johnson's:
helicopters
hovering over Graceland.
19. According to handwriting experts, Elvis' own handwriting was on his death
certificate/coroners report.
20. Some of Elvis' closest friends were asked, by Vernon, not to attend the
funeral.
21. Elvis' father refused to have his son's coffin draped with the American
flag,
traditionally given to all dead war veterans. Did he know that the coffin did
not contain
his son's body.
22. In December 1970, Elvis was inducted into the Drug Enforcement Agency
(DEA) by
President Nixon. Elvis had just been awarded one of America's Ten Outstanding
Young
Men for his efforts to wipe out drugs. Elvis went undercover for the DEA and
helped put
one of America's largest drug dealers behind bars. This particular undercover
operation
was coded 'Operation Fountain Pen'. Was Elvis really addicted to drugs..., or
was he the
ultimate actor after all? The U.S. Department of Justice's Federal Bureau of
Investigation
in Washington confirmed in a letter to Maria Columbus, president of The Elvis
Special
fan club, that Presley visited FBI headquarters on December 31, 1970 and was
given a
tour of FBI facilities. Two months prior to meeting with President nixon,
Elvis was
presented with a CNOA Membership Certificate that reads: This is to certify
that Elvis
A. Presley is a member in good standing of the California Narcotics Officers
Association. Once when Elvis was on stage, he wanted to prove to the audience
that he
was not strung out on drugs like everyone said he was. He then displayed a
certificate to
the audience and said, "This if from the International Narcotics Enforcement
Association.
This Certificate gives me special honors and a lifelong membership. I've been
wearing a
federal narcotics badge for six years. They don't give you that if you're
strung out." One
of the fan letters states that several police uniforms were delivered to
Graceland on
August 15, 1977.
23. The Elvis estate demanded that no cameras be brought to the funeral.
24. One month prior to August 1977..., $1,000,000.00 was withdrawn from his
personal
checking account.
25. The medical examiner's report says that the body was found in the bathroom
in a
rigor-mortised condition. The homicide report says that the body was found in
the
bedroom 'unconscious'.
26. What about the tape - authenticated - that was sent to a top
voice-identification
expert, on which Elvis talked about things that did not occur before August
1977?
27. What about the mind-boggling picture taken in the poolhouse behind
Graceland's
Meditation Gardens four months after the death of Presley and showing a man
seated
who looked exactly like Elvis? Mike Joseph took this photograph in January
1978 while
on vacation and visiting Meditation Gardens. There is an audio recording of
Mike
Joseph stating that the person in that photograph is Elvis. Later, after a
meeting with Joe
Esposito and Al Strada, he changed his story. Now he says that he never stated
that it
was Elvis in the photograph even though he was recorded as saying it was.
28. "I may not look good tonight, but I'll look good in my coffin," said
Presley on his last
concert tour, 1977. At a different time he said, "I know I look fat now and
I'll look
terrible for my TV special coming up. But I'll tell you this: I'll look good
in my casket."
29. "If I should return you would not recognize me" is underlined in one of
Elvis'
favorite books.
30. In 'Elvis, My Brother', Billy Stanley noted that Elvis was wearing a
jogging suit with
the DEA logo during the early morning hours of August 16, 1977.
31. There are 663 FBI pages on Elvis, much of the material consists of files
dated after
August 1977.
32. Phone records show that Ginger Alden, Elvis' girlfriend at the time of his
alleged
death, phoned the National Enquirer one hour before calling downstairs for help
when
she found Elvis in the bathroom floor. How did she know to call them one hour
before
there was anything to call about? Did she know that there was going to be a
body in
there in one hour?
33. What about the sightings, many by very credible people?
34. Elvis believed that he was chosen by God for something special. He
thought he had
special powers like, hands-on-healing. I think he may have had some special
gifts other
than his voice. Elvis was always studying about religion. He didn't want to
take any
chances when it came to getting into the Kingdom of Heaven. One of his
favorite books,
which you will find on display at Graceland now, was The Passover Plot by Hugh
Schonfield in 1966. The book is a story of how Jesus may have faked his death
and came
back 16 years later instead of being resurrected. Elvis may have faked his
death and
given up all worldly possessions in an effort to make it into the Kingdom of
Heaven.
Elvis once mentioned to a friend that he would like to become a Monk. After
August 16,
1977, a man dressed as a Monk went into a popular entertainment club. Another
customer reported that the face under the hood looked remarkably like Elvis
Presley. As
it turns out, the club was owned by a good friend of Elvis'.
35. There were orders by the Presley Estate that no cameras be brought to the
funeral.
However, one of Elvis' relatives, Bobby Mann, managed to sneak one in. The
picture he
took appeared on the front of the National Enquirer. It is evident in the
picture that it is
not Elvis Presley.
36. Elvis was pronounced dead at 2:56 PM. Between that time and when the body
was
viewed the next day, there seemed to be enough time to do all of the following:
Autopsy
and embalming were completed, the body was back at Memphis Funeral Home around
8:00 PM, sixteen white limousines were ordered, a white Cadillac hearse was
readied, a
specially designed casket was ordered and flown in, a casket blanket of 500 red
roses was
made, the security and police were ordered, the tour was canceled, personal
calls were
made by Vernon to fan club presidents asking that they not attend, clothing was
chosen,
songs were chosen, ministers contacted, the procession planned, and the body
was put on
private display by 11:30 the next morning.
37. Dee Presley, Elvis' stepmother, said she received a call from someone
sounding like
Elvis, saying things only Elvis knew.
38. A picture taken September 23, 1984 shows Muhammad Ali, Reverend Jesse
Jackson,
and what appears to be Elvis Presley. When Muhammad Ali was in Fort Worth,
Texas,
toward the end of 1989, promoting his cologne, two people showed him the
picture. As
reported by the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, Ali identified the man in the picture
with him
as "My friend Elvis." Also, in late 1989, a lady showed the picture to Elvis'
step-brother,
Billy Stanley. Billy pointed the man out as being Elvis Presley. He said he
wanted a
copy of the picture to put on his office wall to prove that Elvis was not a
racist.
Mickey Moran
sivl...@aol.com
http://members.aol.com/superlvis/elvispage.html
MoonOOO
Mickey,
You forgot the part where Elvis made himself into Michael Jackson and that's
why Michael is now white and why Lisa Marie was with him. They weren't married
as Michael is her father, the marriage was a cover up to throw people off.
Lisa was still married to Danny Keogh and Elvis, uh I mean Michael, started
wearing those surgical masks because the disguise and plastic surgery was
fading.
If you look up at the tallest building in your town and watch the sky at the
right angle at night you can also see how Elvis, uh, I mean Michael, dons his
cape and flys up up and away to fight the evil crime lords, which is why he got
that federal narcotics badge from Nixon.
Mickey, have you ever heard that song that goes like this? "They're coming to
take you away, my boy, they're coming to take you away!"
Also, "Imagination is funny, it makes a cloudy day sunny, it makes Mickey talk
funny, just as he's doing here!"
.Lord Tennyson
Sivle nora
>You forgot the part where Elvis made himself into Michael Jackson
Is any of this substanciated? Is any of this documented? Everything I
wrote is a fact and can be proved. Nothing you said makes any sense. In your
efforts to be funny..., you are just proving that you have no proof to
discredit any of my information. Even Elvis' own family members state that he
is alive. The cover-up is coming to an end and you might as well give it up.
Bill Burk
How VERY MUCH I would love to jump in an present the FACTS in this matter .
. . but, I have been judged on AEK as writing only Lies . . . and I am sure
ALL of you would rather read the Truth and ONLY the Truth.
How pitiful !
Elvis is DEAD, man! Give it up !!
007
jim...@mcmail.com
My,my,my,
This is the same bloody man who wrote in his magazine that he
WAS'NT certain that Elvis was dead even after claiming he had viewed
Elvis' body! Just another one of your many U-turns on Elvis.
Yeah, the truth WOULD be a change coming from you pal! How come
you've raised your head again? Have you finished E-mailing you filth
about me or is it because you're about to sell something or maybe it's
getting close to the publication of the next issue? If it's anything
like your last issue where you did'nt even know the correct name of
Alfred Wertheimer, (calling him Albert by the way) it should be a good
laugh. However as Lacker always says, you do research everything you
write thoroughly. Next issue we might have an interview with Lisa
Mary? Stll, you were such a great friend of Elvis', maybe I should
forgive you your lying sins. No I dont think so, I'll be around for a
while yet matey!
Always a pleasure
Jim
MoonOOO
>How VERY MUCH I would love to jump in an present the FACTS in this matter .
>. . but, I have been judged on AEK as writing only Lies . . . and I am sure
>ALL of you would rather read the Truth and ONLY the Truth.
>
>How pitiful !
>
>Elvis is DEAD, man! Give it up !!
>
>007
>
I haven't seen where anyone on here says you lie except the deadbeat from
England and we know why he's saying that. Most people know you have done much
research so you should state the facts as you know them here. No need to stay
away.
Marty
Allen Damron
sivl...@aol.com (Sivle nora) writes: > Okay..., You people have been trying to get me to post proof for some time now.
> announced,
> pieces of
>
> having
Hi,
This is all old news your years too late Gail printed all this up in
the 3 or 4 books she had out a few years back good reading but no proof
You need to read the book True Disbelievers then you'll know the truth.
Keep Rockin',TCB,Allen Damron
Bigboyisme
if the idiots chase all the good people away all that is left is idiots and we
wouldn't want that now would we Bill,so stay on
Lex Raaphorst
jim...@mcmail.com wrote in message <352684b8...@news.mcmail.com>...
>No I dont think so, I'll be around for a
>while yet matey!
Are you really? Bad luck for this group!! The only thing you can do is bash
people, you never have any positive contribution to this group. Take care
when you kiss your mirror, it might break!
Hope you'll have a good time together with those other suckers in my filter!
Lex Raaphorst
http://www.casema.net/~arpt
Large 1269
Elvis' name was not misspelled on the original tombstone. I added the
extra "A" with my new stencil set.
Elvis is not buried next to his mother because Vernon wanted to make
sure that Elvis didn't fool around with her.
Elvis was actually 280 pounds but after they took the pills out of his
body,it went down to 170 pounds.
Elvis' coffin was 900 pounds because Larry Geller filled it with books
on the occult and a case of hairspray. The air around the coffin was
cool because Elvis had just snorted a can of freon before he croaked.
Elvis looked more like a wax dummy than a real person because the guy at
the funeral home accidently set his burning candle on Elvis' head.
They had the funeral so quickly because Elvis was beginning to smell
like a spoiled piece of bacon and a rotted peanut butter and banana
sandwich.
Elvis' hands were soft and pudgy because Charlie Hodge put some of his
thigh cream on them. One of Elvis' sideburns was loose because a bird
had mistaken it for a tarantula and tried to kill it.
The man who purchased the ticket to Buenos Aeries two hours after Elvis'
death was Dr. Nick in a black wig.
All of Elvis' books were taken by the aliens that wrote them. They
wanted a souvenir of the king to take to their leader.
Elvis didn't order anymore suits because he was trying to save money. He
sewed two jumpsuits together instead of buying a whole new wardrobe.
Elvis fired several employee's shortly before his death because
McDonald's needed some new workers.
Elvis said that he didn't plan to go on the next tour because he was
getting so heavy that the plane was having trouble getting off the
ground and he didn't want to die on a plane.
The single rose that Lucy received was not from Elvis. And it was not
signed El Lancelot. It was a rose colored vibrator from me....El
Largelot.
Elvis was not in the witness protection program. He didn't like the idea
of changing his name to Harry Dick,which was the only name available at
that time. Elvis didn't want the guys calling his house asking if a
Harry Dick was there.
Elvis DID hide in the trunks of people's cars but it was not to avoid
detection. He was trying to get over his life-long fear of dying in a
trunk.
Elvis WAS an expert on drugs,you got me on that one. Elvis could slow
down his breathing as well. He was practicing that technique while on
the toilet the day he died.
Col. Tom WAS capable of creating a new identity for Elvis. He was
working on turning Elvis into an elephant for a future circus venture
that he was going to invest in but Elvis exploded after 300 pounds.
The life insurance policy hasn't been cashed in yet because there is
none. He got a certificate in the mail telling him that he won 10
million dollars and he stapled it to his will in lieu of an insurance
policy.
There WAS a helicopter flying over Graceland before the death of Elvis.
It was a delivery of toilet paper,unfortunately Elvis never got to use
it.
That was not Elvis' handwriting on the death certificate,it was Charlie
Hodge trying to be like Elvis one last time.
Vernon didn't want some of Elvis' closest friends to attend the funeral
because he owed them money.
Elvis WAS in the (DEA) but he was being investigated because the drugs
from the drug busts were turning up missing.
The Elvis estate didn't allow any cameras into the funeral because the
heat and light from the flashbulbs might set Elvis' hair on fire.
There WAS a large amount of money withdrawn from Elvis' account before
his death. A certain member of his group had convinced him to invest in
a chain of gay discos in Memphis.
Rigor-Mortus HAD set in on Elvis but Charlie Hodge covered it up with
make-up that he just happened to have at the moment.
That so-called Elvis sound-alike tape was actually Ann-Margret on
steroids.
The picture of Elvis is actually a picture of Vester Presley in drag.
More Later
LARGE
to...@brookings.net
>How VERY MUCH I would love to jump in an present the FACTS in this matter .
>. . but, I have been judged on AEK as writing only Lies . . . and I am sure
>ALL of you would rather read the Truth and ONLY the Truth.
Hi Bill,
I've not been reading this group a lot lately, so I missed the lying
stuff I guess. For the record, Bill hasn't lied to me! I used to
subscribe to EW, and I enjoyed it.
I do have a question though. Bill, I can't remember, did you see the
body in the casket? Was it Elvis? If not, was that done for security
reasons? That would make sense if it was for security I guess.
Tori the ever curious
008 <G>
E.P. Henderson
Yes! Tim.
It certainly is heading that way, isn't it?
I really hate having to ask the good ones
to reconsider and hang around, but if that's what it takes, then I guess
I will
continue to do so.
still me;-)
Pauley....
E.P. Henderson
Jimand,whatever,
I sort of figured that you were getting pleasure from _something_.
It really is a shame that Burk can't say
anything on here without you jumping on him.
Why is it when some people have something hateful to say, they naturally
assume that everyone here wants to read it?
You are as annoying as Mickey, and I am not trying to be hateful.
still me;-)
Pauley....
TCB-Tom
MoonOOO wrote:
> ....snipped......
>
> Mickey,
>
> You forgot the part where Elvis made himself into Michael Jackson and that's
> why Michael is now white and why Lisa Marie was with him. They weren't married
> as Michael is her father, the marriage was a cover up to throw people off.
> Lisa was still married to Danny Keogh and Elvis, uh I mean Michael, started
> wearing those surgical masks because the disguise and plastic surgery was
> fading.
>
> If you look up at the tallest building in your town and watch the sky at the
> right angle at night you can also see how Elvis, uh, I mean Michael, dons his
> cape and flys up up and away to fight the evil crime lords, which is why he got
> that federal narcotics badge from Nixon.
>
> Mickey, have you ever heard that song that goes like this? "They're coming to
> take you away, my boy, they're coming to take you away!"
>
> Also, "Imagination is funny, it makes a cloudy day sunny, it makes Mickey talk
> funny, just as he's doing here!"
>
> .Lord Tennyson
Marty-
This one had me going good...(LOL) Nice job!!!!!
--
TCB-Tom..........helping to keep Elvis #1
TCB-Tom
Bill Burk wrote:
> How VERY MUCH I would love to jump in an present the FACTS in this matter .
> . . but, I have been judged on AEK as writing only Lies . . . and I am sure
> ALL of you would rather read the Truth and ONLY the Truth.
>
> How pitiful !
>
> Elvis is DEAD, man! Give it up !!
>
> 007
Oh come on Bill...we can stomach the LIES and HATRED one more
time..........please?
You know I am joking....please do interject! TCB as always...
TCB-Tom
E.P. Henderson wrote:
Yep, might as well jump on this bandwagon too..........morons they call
them, huh or was it morans?<gr>
TCB-Tom
Sivle nora wrote:
> >I'll be damned if this isn't the funniest thing I've EVER read on this<BR>
> >newsgroup.<BR>
>
> It may be funny but it's all true and can be proven.
> Mickey Moran
> sivl...@aol.com
> http://members.aol.com/superlvis/elvispage.html
Hey Mickey Mouse,
If it was proveable...Elvis would be standing next to me right now, and
believe me, he isn't here...
Do you know what the definition of <proof> is? Look it up and then go soak
your head for a while.
Alessio Quirino
I know it, I said I wouldn't answer you anymore, but since you finally
published the 'proof' you have (isn't it the same stuff you got on
your page?) I will answer you this time...
On 4 Apr 1998 16:04:43 GMT, sivl...@aol.com (Sivle nora) wrote:
>
>ELVIS: DEAD OR ALIVE ?
>
>1. Elvis' name is misspelled on his tombstone. Elvis' full name is Elvis
>'Aron' Presley...,
Seems different versions of the story exist. Where did you get
yours???
>2. Elvis' current resting place is in between his father and his grandmother
>and not next
>to his mother where he had adamantly requested. It is doubtful that the people
>close to
>him would allow these things to happen.
Let's say it isn't E who's buried there. He could simply have been
buried at a secret place to elude new kidnappers.
>3. Elvis was very vain, and he was embarrassed about his recent weight gain -
>An
>astonishing 50 pounds in the month before his so-called death. Even though he
>weighed
>250 pounds at the time of his death, his death certificate lists him at a spry
>170 pounds.
>The original death certificate disappeared, and the current death certificate
>is dated two
>months after his alleged death.
I give you this one since I don't know much about the death
certificate.
>4. Elvis' coffin required several pall bearers because it weighed 900 pounds.
>Attendants
>at the funeral reported that the air around the coffin was rather cool. It is
>suspected that
>the coffin contained an air conditioning unit or dry ice to keep a wax body
>cool.
Elvis died in hot August. Imagine the smell...
>5. And why have the funeral so quickly?
Same reason. A body would decompose quickly.
>6. Elvis was an 8th degree black belt whose hands were rough with calluses,
>yet the body
>in the coffin had hands that were soft and pudgy. The body in the coffin had a
>pug nose
>and arched eyebrows (unlike Elvis) and most importantly, one of the sideburns
>on the
>corpse was loose and falling off. A hairdresser later reported gluing the
>sideburn back on
>the body.
Bodies often get a lot of make up. In Elvis case, this could have been
exaggerated to make him look good to his fans, creating this unwanted
feeling that it wasn't the real Elvis in the coffin.
>7. Two hours after Elvis' death was announced publicly, a man who reportedly
>looked
>remarkably like Elvis purchased a ticket for Buenos Aeries, paid in cash, and
>used the
>name John Burrows: the name Elvis had used as an alias several times before.
Let's see how many John Burrows lived in the Memphis area, were heavy
and had long sideburns back in 1977...
>8. He had a few books that were considered to be his most prized possessions.
>He had a
>Bible, several pharmaceutical books, books on death, and most importantly
>Cheiro's
>Book of Numbers and the Autobiography of a Yogi. After his death was
>announced,
>these books disappeared and were never recovered. Also missing were specific
>pieces of
>jewelry and pictures of his mother.
If there was a cover-up, why would someone report those things
missing? If one had access to that stuff, then it was someone very
close to Elvis and thus very likely to be part of the conspiracy...
>9. In the weeks preceding his alleged death, Elvis' actions were not those of
>a man who
>was about to embark on an extensive US tour. He ordered no new suits despite
>having
>gained 50 pounds since his last tour.
Hum, maybe he could still get in one or two of the old suit, how do
you know he couldn't?
>10. Elvis fired several employees that he had relied upon for a long time.
Who?
>11. Two days before his alleged death, Elvis telephoned a friend of his named
>Miss
>Foster (Elvis had been friends with her for a long time because she reminded
>him of his
>mother). He told her that he wasn't planning on going on the upcoming tour.
>She asked
>him if he had canceled it, and he said that he had not. When she asked if he
>was ill, he
>said that he was fine, and that she should not ask any more questions or tell
>anyone
>anything, and that she should not believe anything she reads. He told her that
>his troubles
>would all soon be over, and that he would call her in a few weeks. The author
>of Elvis
>Where Are You? writes that Miss Foster took a polygraph test regarding this
>story, and
>that she was not lying.
Those tests are not 100% believable. There are many ways to tell lies
while the machines says that you are telling the truth.
>12. The day after Elvis' alleged death, a woman named Lucy De Barbon, a former
>lover
>of Elvis', received a single rose in the mail. The card indicated that the
>flower was from
>"El Lancelot". This had been her pet name for Elvis, and it was a name that no
>one else
>knew. Flowers can't be sent from beyond the grave.
Lucy De Barbin as a huge fantasy. She claimed to have had a secret
relation with Elvis for some 20 years, without nobody but them knowing
it. Do you believe THAT???
>13. Elvis had many reasons to fake his death. Elvis life was in danger. He
>had recently
>lost $10,000,000 in an airplane/real estate deal with a California based
>organization
>called the "Fraternity" that had links to the Mafia. It is speculated that he
>corroborated
>with the government to expose the organized crime ring in exchange for
>protection -
>perhaps in the form of a new life and identity compliments of the witness
>relocation
>program.
This could be... Prove it!!!
>14. Elvis was a prisoner of his own fame. He had many other reasons to leave
>his life
>behind. Because of his incredible popularity, he was the recipient of several
>death
>threats, and he was concerned about the safety of his wife and daughter.
>Sometimes
>when he wanted to leave Graceland, he would send out look-alikes to distract
>would be
>followers. Elvis was also known to ride in the trunk of someone else's car to
>avoid
>detection.
Many popstars do things like these, but they never faked their dead...
>15. Elvis had the means to fake his own death. He is accused of destroying
>himself with
>drugs. In reality, Elvis was a pharmaceutical expert. He took a lot of drugs,
>but he knew
>what he was doing and was extremely careful. He knew what drugs he could self-
>administer to create a deathlike state. Further, Elvis' experience with the
>martial arts was
>such that he could slow his heart rate and breathing in order to feign death.
Dunno about the martial arts, but he could have easily mistaken the
pills, even if he knew them good. He wouldn't be the first to whom
this happened.
>16. Elvis' manager, Colonel Tom Parker, had once created a new identity for
>himself.
>He came to this country as an illegal immigrant from Holland, but through
>various
>connections managed to create an elaborate identity complete with a passport,
>birth
>certificate, drivers' license, and social security number. He would have known
>how to
>give Elvis a second life.
That was back in the 1930s. The whole system was so different in the
1970s that he wouldn't have been able to do that.
>17. Elvis' Lloyds of London life insurance policy still has not been cashed
>in. Why? It is
>not illegal to fake your death as long as you don't profit from it.
Did you read the whole policy? There could be some clause in it that
prevents the heirs from cashing the money.
>18. There was a helicopter hovering over Graceland just moments before Elvis
>was
>found dead. Did Elvis get on that helicopter? Did the helicopter drop off
>another body
>to take Elvis' place? Monte Nicholson, a veteran with the Los Angeles
>Sheriff's Dept.,
>writes in his novel The Presley Arrangement about a government helicopter
>hovering
>over Graceland, and finally landing in the back. Nicholson was informed there
>were
>pictures of Elvis getting on the helicopter during the early afternoon of
>August 16.
>Others report seeing a helicopter - including Larry Geller in his book If I Can
>Dream:
>Elvis' Own Story, who says he saw from his window at Howard Johnson's:
>helicopters
>hovering over Graceland.
As I said before: there's an airport in Memphis. Where are those
pictures? You are only speculating here. You have no proof but what
others say. How can you be sure they don't lie to you?
>19. According to handwriting experts, Elvis' own handwriting was on his death
>certificate/coroners report.
Yeah, right. Like the guy that reported the 'Hitler Diaries' as
true...
>20. Some of Elvis' closest friends were asked, by Vernon, not to attend the
>funeral.
Maybe for personal reasons...
>21. Elvis' father refused to have his son's coffin draped with the American
>flag,
>traditionally given to all dead war veterans. Did he know that the coffin did
>not contain
>his son's body.
Again, maybe he's buried somewhere else. They aren't gonna tell US!!!
Elvis often recieved stuff like that. Nixon could just have been so
impressed by the Jaycee Award that he truly believed Elvis was OK.
>23. The Elvis estate demanded that no cameras be brought to the funeral.
They didn't want people to make money by selling pictures of Elvis in
the coffin.
>24. One month prior to August 1977..., $1,000,000.00 was withdrawn from his
>personal
>checking account.
It was his money, wasn't it? He could do what he wanted with it. Was
it cash? Maybe he used it or was going to do so.
>25. The medical examiner's report says that the body was found in the bathroom
>in a
>rigor-mortised condition. The homicide report says that the body was found in
>the
>bedroom 'unconscious'.
Different reports often tell different stories, that's why more
reports are written about the same thing: to have a more accurate idea
of what has happened.
>26. What about the tape - authenticated - that was sent to a top
>voice-identification
>expert, on which Elvis talked about things that did not occur before August
>1977?
The same that came with the Giorgio book? did you ever listen to it?
With all that noise, even Nipper the dog would sound like Elvis!
>27. What about the mind-boggling picture taken in the poolhouse behind
>Graceland's
>Meditation Gardens four months after the death of Presley and showing a man
>seated
>who looked exactly like Elvis? Mike Joseph took this photograph in January
>1978 while
>on vacation and visiting Meditation Gardens. There is an audio recording of
>Mike
>Joseph stating that the person in that photograph is Elvis. Later, after a
>meeting with Joe
>Esposito and Al Strada, he changed his story. Now he says that he never stated
>that it
>was Elvis in the photograph even though he was recorded as saying it was.
Is this Mike Joseph a close friend of Elvis? Or has he been able to be
close to him enough times to recognize him from that picture? I saw it
too, it could be anybody...
>28. "I may not look good tonight, but I'll look good in my coffin," said
>Presley on his last
>concert tour, 1977. At a different time he said, "I know I look fat now and
>I'll look
>terrible for my TV special coming up. But I'll tell you this: I'll look good
>in my casket."
Elvis wasn't a fool, he knew he wouldn't live for long. After all, he
was the only one who felt the pain.
>29. "If I should return you would not recognize me" is underlined in one of
>Elvis'
>favorite books.
So what? It seems to me you are trying to let everything you see fit
in your puzzle. Couldn't he just have liked the sentence? Why don't
you mention EVERYTHING that has been underlined in his books? With a
little fantasy you could discover that he has run away with Jim
Morrison!
>30. In 'Elvis, My Brother', Billy Stanley noted that Elvis was wearing a
>jogging suit with
>the DEA logo during the early morning hours of August 16, 1977.
Most of what the Stanleys write, is written with a few fast bucks as
the only purpose. Even if it is true. If he had it, why wouldn't he
wear it? Do you buy your clothes just to put them in a closet and talk
to them???
>31. There are 663 FBI pages on Elvis, much of the material consists of files
>dated after
>August 1977.
Most of them are about the airplanes stuff. None is about how Elvis
faked his death.
>32. Phone records show that Ginger Alden, Elvis' girlfriend at the time of his
>alleged
>death, phoned the National Enquirer one hour before calling downstairs for help
>when
>she found Elvis in the bathroom floor. How did she know to call them one hour
>before
>there was anything to call about? Did she know that there was going to be a
>body in
>there in one hour?
Wasn't she telling everybody that she and Elvis would get married?
Maybe that's just what she did on August 16, too.
>33. What about the sightings, many by very credible people?
Nobody's credible, 'cause evrybody could have made a mistake.
>34. Elvis believed that he was chosen by God for something special. He
>thought he had
>special powers like, hands-on-healing. I think he may have had some special
>gifts other
>than his voice. Elvis was always studying about religion. He didn't want to
>take any
>chances when it came to getting into the Kingdom of Heaven. One of his
>favorite books,
>which you will find on display at Graceland now, was The Passover Plot by Hugh
>Schonfield in 1966. The book is a story of how Jesus may have faked his death
>and came
>back 16 years later instead of being resurrected. Elvis may have faked his
>death and
>given up all worldly possessions in an effort to make it into the Kingdom of
>Heaven.
>Elvis once mentioned to a friend that he would like to become a Monk. After
>August 16,
>1977, a man dressed as a Monk went into a popular entertainment club. Another
>customer reported that the face under the hood looked remarkably like Elvis
>Presley. As
>it turns out, the club was owned by a good friend of Elvis'.
Oh God! He was the LORD himself and we didn't know it!!! We will all
perish in Hell!!!.........................Get real!!!
>35. There were orders by the Presley Estate that no cameras be brought to the
>funeral.
>However, one of Elvis' relatives, Bobby Mann, managed to sneak one in. The
>picture he
>took appeared on the front of the National Enquirer. It is evident in the
>picture that it is
>not Elvis Presley.
The picture is a fake. Many experts say so. They could be wrong, of
course...
>36. Elvis was pronounced dead at 2:56 PM. Between that time and when the body
>was
>viewed the next day, there seemed to be enough time to do all of the following:
> Autopsy
>and embalming were completed, the body was back at Memphis Funeral Home around
>8:00 PM, sixteen white limousines were ordered, a white Cadillac hearse was
>readied, a
>specially designed casket was ordered and flown in, a casket blanket of 500 red
>roses was
>made, the security and police were ordered, the tour was canceled, personal
>calls were
>made by Vernon to fan club presidents asking that they not attend, clothing was
>chosen,
>songs were chosen, ministers contacted, the procession planned, and the body
>was put on
>private display by 11:30 the next morning.
So? I bet I could do the same, with some help a whole night to go.
They worked hard, but they did it. Anyway, if everything was already
done, how many people were part of the conspiracy? 2,000,000?
>37. Dee Presley, Elvis' stepmother, said she received a call from someone
>sounding like
>Elvis, saying things only Elvis knew.
Yes, and she also said Elvis had sex with his mother, and that he got
her (I mean Dee) pregnant...
>38. A picture taken September 23, 1984 shows Muhammad Ali, Reverend Jesse
>Jackson,
>and what appears to be Elvis Presley. When Muhammad Ali was in Fort Worth,
>Texas,
>toward the end of 1989, promoting his cologne, two people showed him the
>picture. As
>reported by the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, Ali identified the man in the picture
>with him
>as "My friend Elvis." Also, in late 1989, a lady showed the picture to Elvis'
>step-brother,
>Billy Stanley. Billy pointed the man out as being Elvis Presley. He said he
>wanted a
>copy of the picture to put on his office wall to prove that Elvis was not a
>racist.
So Ali and Jackson knew, too!!! Yeah! And of course we of the ng know
it also, isn't it so guys? Come on, who offered shelter and protection
to Elvis this week? My turn will be around the first week of May, but
I have exams, so if somone is wanting to change his/her turn with
mine...
I don't know if I have to laugh or to cry...
Alessio
Dennis A. Rodgers
I'll be damned if this isn't the funniest thing I've EVER read on this
HA HA HA HA HA!!!
Dennis
Sivle nora
>Elvis' name is misspelled on his tombstone. Elvis' full name is Elvis<BR>
>>'Aron' Presley...,<BR>
>Seems different versions of the story exist. Where did you get<BR>
>yours???
Directly from the Mississippi Department of Vital Statistics. Call them
if you wish. The number is: 601-960-7988
>I give you this one since I don't know much about the death<BR>
>certificate.
Again..., You can get that from the Tennessee Department of Vital
Statistics. 615-741-0778.
>Elvis died in hot August. Imagine the smell.
Elvis is not the only person that died in Memphis on August 16, 1977. Do
you think all the other people had something in their coffins to help keep them
cool?
> And why have the funeral so quickly? <BR>
>Same reason. A body would decompose quickly.<
Same thing. Did everyone that died that day rush their funerals because
of the heat?
>Bodies often get a lot of make up. In Elvis case, this could have been<BR>
>exaggerated to make him look good to his fans, creating this unwanted<BR>
>feeling that it wasn't the real Elvis in the coffin
Didn't work did it? That would not explain the sideburn falling off. If
it was really Elvis, it certainly would not need to be glued on.
>Hum, maybe he could still get in one or two of the old suit, how do<BR>
>you know he couldn't?<
Oh come on. 50 pounds. Have you seen how tight his suits were? There's
no way he could have fit another 50 pounds into one of them. Besides that, how
many times have you known Elvis to wear the same jumpsuit twice?
>Elvis fired several employees that he had relied upon for a long time.<BR>
>Who?<
Sonny West, Red West, & Dave Hebler.
>He<BR>
>>had recently<BR>
>>lost $10,000,000 in an airplane/real estate deal with a California based<BR>
>>organization<BR>
>>called the "Fraternity" that had links to the Mafia. It is speculated that
>he<BR>
>>corroborated<BR>
>>with the government to expose the organized crime ring in exchange for<BR>
>>protection -<BR>
>This could be... Prove it!!!<BR>
><BR>
You can order the files from:
National Archives & Records Administration
Washington, DC 20408
>Did you read the whole policy? There could be some clause in it that<BR>
>prevents the heirs from cashing the money.<B
Why else would there be a life insurance policy? Why would someone have a
life insurance policy that couldn't be cashed in? That's what they are for.
>>20. Some of Elvis' closest friends were asked, by Vernon, not to attend
>the<BR>
>>funeral.<BR>
>Maybe for personal reasons...<BR>
><BR>
You're reaching here.
>>21. Elvis' father refused to have his son's coffin draped with the
>American<BR>
>>flag,<BR>
>>traditionally given to all dead war veterans. Did he know that the coffin
>did<BR>
>>not contain<BR>
>>his son's body.<BR>
>Again, maybe he's buried somewhere else. They aren't gonna tell US!!!<BR>
What does that have to do with the flag at the funeral.
>Elvis often recieved stuff like that. Nixon could just have been so<BR>
>impressed by the Jaycee Award that he truly believed Elvis was OK.<BR>
Nevertheless, the badge was real. And Elvis was an undercover agent. And
he was involved in some dangerous busts.
>It was his money, wasn't it? He could do what he wanted with it. Was<BR>
>it cash? Maybe he used it or was going to do so.<BR>
Yes he was. He was going to use it to live on..., not die on.
>The same that came with the Giorgio book? did you ever listen to it?<BR>
Yes I did listen to it. It sounded just like him. There wasn't that much
noise.
>Is this Mike Joseph a close friend of Elvis? Or has he been able to be<BR>
>close to him enough times to recognize him from that picture? I saw it<BR>
>too, it could be anybody...<BR>
Oh come on. Anyone could recognize Elvis. He has the most recognizable
face in the world. I have a copy of the picture and it is him.
>Elvis wasn't a fool, he knew he wouldn't live for long. After all, he<BR>
>was the only one who felt the pain.<BR>
If he knew he was going to die..., he must have known that he would still
look fat in his casket and therefore would not have been bragging about how
good he would look. The body was not fat.
>>30. In 'Elvis, My Brother', Billy Stanley noted that Elvis was wearing
>a<BR>
>>jogging suit with<BR>
>>the DEA logo during the early morning hours of August 16, 1977.<BR>
>Most of what the Stanleys write, is written with a few fast bucks as<BR>
>the only purpose. Even if it is true. If he had it, why wouldn't he<BR>
>wear it? Do you buy your clothes just to put them in a closet and talk<BR>
>to them???<BR>
No..., I buy them to wear them. However, I can't just go out and buy
official DEA clothing. Those are issued.
>Wasn't she telling everybody that she and Elvis would get married?<BR>
>Maybe that's just what she did on August 16, too.<BR>
Look at the next National Enquirer issued after August 16. Was it about
Elvis and Ginger getting married. ..., or did it have a picture of Elvis in his
coffin?
>>33. What about the sightings, many by very credible people?<BR>
>Nobody's credible, 'cause evrybody could have made a mistake.<BR>
><BR>
Then you admit that you may have made a mistake in your conclusion.
>Oh God! He was the LORD himself and we didn't know it!!! We will all<BR>
>perish in Hell!!!..
Where did you get that from what you just read? He's not the Lord
himself. Just a man trying to get into heaven by giving up wordly possessions.
>The picture is a fake. Many experts say so. They could be wrong, of<BR>
>course...<BR>
The picture is not a fake. At least, not if you believe Charlie Hodge and
Steve (a radio d.j. in Alabama who is good friends with the Memphis Mafia).
Care to ask him. Write to elvis...@aol.com.
>They worked hard, but they did it. Anyway, if everything was already<BR>
>done, how many people were part of the conspiracy? 2,000,000?<BR>
Even if they worked hard at it..., the custom casket could not be made and
flown in that quickly. No there weren't 2,000,000 in on the conspiracy. Just
enough time to plan ahead.
>So Ali and Jackson knew, too!!!
Ali and Elvis were very good friends. When the picture was taken, Ali had
just been released from the hospital where Elvis was visiting him.
Alessio..., If it were just one or two things..., I would be skeptical.
Maybe even three. However, there are way too many things awry for this to not
be a cover-up.
Sivle nora
>I'll be damned if this isn't the funniest thing I've EVER read on this<BR>
>newsgroup.<BR>
It may be funny but it's all true and can be proven.
Mar A Hall
Marty wrote:
>Bill,
>I haven't seen where anyone on here says you lie except the deadbeat >from
>England and we know why he's saying that. Most people know you have >done
much
>research so you should state the facts as you know them here. No need >to
stay
>away.
>Marty
Here, here!
Don't hold back, Bill. I know *I* want to hear what you have to say, too.
Marcia
B and C
Thank you very much Dennis.
Dennis A. Rodgers <daro...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in article
<6g6p8r$r...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>...
> I'll be damned if this isn't the funniest thing I've EVER read on this
QuinnSlidr
Many times during 1977, when Elvis wore the Sundial Suit at least ten times.
And throughout his last tour he wore it at every single concert. Not counting
the time he just wore the King of Spades Suit. Come on, Sivle. Do you really
think that Elvis had ten Sundial Suits?!?!?! I don't think so. Totally
illogical. But, then, that's just me.
QuinnSlidr
You know, I noticed a peculiar thing about Elvis' Sundial Suit. It seems to
act like a calendar, and it has Elvis' death date on it!! You know those
patterns right on the inside of the suit where the ends curl up and they look
like triangles? Count them all around the suit, and you will find that they
add up to the number 8. Next, count the triangles that are on the very outside
of the suit. They add up to 16. Next, go from the objects that are on the
inside with the ends that curl up, and read from the inside to the outside:
8/16: August 16th!!!!!!
How could Elvis have known his death date way back in 1974? Perhaps the suit
was actually made on August 16th, 1974? This seems to be too much of a
co-incidence. I do have an open mind, and am prepared to look at both sides of
the issue. But, with Elvis' death, many things just don't add up, including
Elvis' death date on the Sundial Suit. That would explain why he brought the
suit back in late 1976 and for his last several tours in 1977. Personally, I
do believe he is dead. And, perhaps, this was his way of letting his fans know
not to worry. Perhaps this was his way of saying goodbye.
Larry? What do you think? Did Elvis know he was going to die on August 16,
1977 three years before he really died?
CyberToad
It's super-fun speculating on things like this, so I'll give it a shot.
First of all, I'll start by saying that it would be the coolest thing in
the world if Elvis was still alive. And since he was even sighted in
Clyde and Perrysburg Ohio (which surround my birthplace and former home
of Fremont - tell me that's a coincidence!), I was really intrigued when
this whole phenomenon took off in the early 90's.
When dealing with these kinds of things, it's very difficult to separate
fact, hearsay, and urban legend. With that in mind, let's dig in:
In article <199804041604...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
sivl...@aol.com says...
> ELVIS: DEAD OR ALIVE ?
>
> 1. Elvis' name is misspelled on his tombstone.
It sure seems as if *somebody* couldn't spell. Most likely Vernon or the
doctor who made out the birth certificate. Old legend says "Aron" was
supposed to be part of "Garon", but this is probably more a case of
after-the-fact myth-making than anything. It was certainly spelled Aron
for most of Elvis' carrer. New legend says that later in life Elvis
wanted to change the mis-spelling of Aron to the more mainstream Aaron,
and found out that it was already legally recorded as Aaron. Who knows.
Toss a coin. I say that either spelling would pass for "correct" in this
jumble of confusion.
> 2. Elvis' current resting place is in between his father and his
> grandmother and not next to his mother where he had adamantly requested.
Order of passing: Gladys, Elvis, Vernon, Dodger. I'm looking at a photo
of the grave site here, picturing it with only Gladys and Elvis. The
only places to put the 2nd and 3rd family members are to the left and
right of Elvis. So the either put one of them in between Elvis and
Gladys, or they dig one of them up and move them closer together. They
chose to put Vernon next to Gladys. Doesn't sound like an unreasonable
choice.
> 3. <snip> Even though he weighed 250 pounds at the time of his death,
> his death certificate lists him at a spry 170 pounds. The original
> death certificate disappeared, and the current death certificate
> is dated two months after his alleged death.
I'm no expert on bodies. Assuming most of his weight was fluids (which
it may have been with his medical problems), there could have been a big
drop in his weight after... well, after all the icky stuff the morticians
do. That 250 estimate might be a bit much, too. He looked puffy towards
the end, which may have caused folks to overestimate his actual weight.
As far as the death certificate? Well, records get misplaced, lost, and
need to be replaced all the time. Especially back in the 70's when they
weren't computerized. Some record clerk probably stole it for a
souvenir.
> 4. <snip> 900-pound coffin stuff </snip> Alanna Nash,
> formerly of the Louisville Courier-Journal, who viewed the body
> in the casket twice, commented on how wax-like it looked.
> La Costa, sister of Tanya Tucker, said, "We were right up to the
> casket and stood there, and God, I couldn't believe it. He looked
> just like a piece of plastic laying there. He didn't look like
> Elvis at all... He looked more like a dummy that a real person."
I don't know that there has been an offical announcement about the weight
of the coffin :-) Just for a fun (!) comparison, the London Casket
Company (http://www.caskets.co.uk/products/prodmastns.htm) lists their
32oz. Bronze casket at 120KG (264 lbs.) That appears to be their
heaviest one. Even if you figure a 250 lbs body, that still leaves 386
pounds. That sounds a little heavy for an air conditioner small enough
to fit in a casket. A wax dummy would be far less than 250 pounds...
maybe a hundred? So it would be a 536 lbs air conditioner???
As far as the quotes go, dead bodies look strange. Most people aren't
used to seeing them, especially people they knew. They have bad makeup
on them, which I believe Larry Geller mentioned in his book. He and
Charlie Hodge objected to the makeup and asked that it be removed. I
don't know if it was, but it was probably replaced with different makeup.
> 5. And why have the funeral so quickly? Some speculate that the
> immediacy was intended to make it as difficult as possible for the
> people who were Elvis' biggest fans (heads of fan clubs, etc.) to
> attend the proceedings. It could be a concern that they might
> recognize the flaws in the wax replica..., many of which were
> noticed anyway.
More likely to get rid of the huge crowds that had congregated around
Graceland from the time Elvis' death had been announced. No reason to
drag the thing out. Get it over and done with.
> 6. Elvis was an 8th degree black belt whose hands were rough with
> calluses, yet the body in the coffin had hands that were soft and
> pudgy. The body in the coffin had a pug nose and arched eyebrows
> (unlike Elvis) and most importantly, one of the sideburns on the
> corpse was loose and falling off. A hairdresser later reported gluing
> the sideburn back on the body.
If you are talking about Larry Geller, I believe he's already denied the
sideburn falling off thing. As far as his hands being rough with
calluses, I doubt Elvis was chopping many bricks with his hands those
last couple of years. His hands were probably plenty smooth. I'll
address the nose and eyebrows later when we discuss the photo...
> 7. Two hours after Elvis' death was announced publicly, a man who
> reportedly looked remarkably like Elvis purchased a ticket for
> Buenos Aeries <snip>
Urban legend, hearsay, myth-making stuff.
> 8. He had a few books that were considered to be his most prized
> possessions. <snip>
Vernon didn't think too much of the mystical books that Elvis read. He
probably told the Gracland staff to "Get rid of that crap" after Elvis
died. The jewelry was probably put in a safer place than laying around
the bedroom, and the pictures were probably put into storage.
> 9. In the weeks preceding his alleged death, Elvis' actions were not
> those of a man who was about to embark on an extensive US tour. He
> ordered no new suits despite having gained 50 pounds since his last tour.
Sounds like he needed a better tour manager.
> 10. Elvis fired several employees that he had relied upon for a long time.
He did a lot of house cleaning. People using drugs can do things that
seem out of character, and Vernon wouldn't have argued much about getting
rid of some of the staff to cut down on expenses.
> 11. Two days before his alleged death, Elvis telephoned a friend of
> his named Miss Foster (Elvis had been friends with her for a long
> time because she reminded him of his mother). He told her that he
> wasn't planning on going on the upcoming tour. She asked him if he had
> canceled it, and he said that he had not. When she asked if he was ill,
> he said that he was fine, and that she should not ask any more questions
> or tell anyone anything, and that she should not believe anything she
> reads. He told her that his troubles would all soon be over, and that
> he would call her in a few weeks. The author of Elvis Where Are You?
> writes that Miss Foster took a polygraph test regarding this story, and
> that she was not lying.
Assuming this story is true, Elvis was probably talking about the
publication of "Elvis, What Happened?". That's why he told her not the
believe anything she reads. He wasn't planning on going on tour because
he didn't want to face his fans after the book got out. If you define
"all his troubles" as keeping the less savory parts of his life under
wraps, his troubles would be over soon after the publication of the book
because he wouldn't have to try so hard to keep up the front. He
probably thought "Well, this is it. The shit's going to hit the fan. At
least all my troubles will be over".
> 12. The day after Elvis' alleged death, a woman named Lucy De Barbon,
> a former lover of Elvis', received a single rose in the mail. The
> card indicated that the flower was from "El Lancelot". This had been
> her pet name for Elvis, and it was a name that no one else knew.
> Flowers can't be sent from beyond the grave.
Unless it took two or three days for it to be delivered.
> 13. Elvis had many reasons to fake his death. Elvis life was in
> danger. He had recently lost $10,000,000 in an airplane/real
> estate deal with a California based organization called the "Fraternity"
> that had links to the Mafia. It is speculated that he corroborated
> with the government to expose the organized crime ring in exchange for
> protection - perhaps in the form of a new life and identity compliments
> of the witness relocation program.
I've heard this before, but I don't remember the dollar amount being that
high. People generally go into the witness relocation program for cases
involving murder, not airplane and real estate scams.
> 14. Elvis was a prisoner of his own fame. He had many other reasons
> to leave his life behind. Because of his incredible popularity, he
> was the recipient of several death threats, and he was concerned
> about the safety of his wife and daughter. <snip>
Well, he certainly isn't LESS famous now. If he was a prisoner of his
fame before, now he REALLY has to hide. And I fail to see how Lisa or
Priscilla are safer now.
> 15. Elvis had the means to fake his own death. He is accused of
> destroying himself with drugs. In reality, Elvis was a pharmaceutical
> expert. He took a lot of drugs, but he knew what he was doing and
> was extremely careful. He knew what drugs he could self-administer
> to create a deathlike state. Further, Elvis' experience with the
> martial arts was such that he could slow his heart rate and breathing
> in order to feign death.
Oh, brother. EVERY drug user thinks they're an "expert" who "knows what
they are doing" and are "extremely careful". Most of them with that
mindset end up OD'ing. Just because he owned the Physician's Desk
Reference or whatever it was and studied it and could identify the pills
doesn't mean he really knew what he was doing. He didn't have a medical
degree, for God's sake.
And the Kung-Fu trance stuff sounds a little far-fetched to me. It would
certainly be hard to use those techniques to fool an amubulance crew
that's using CPR and who knows what else to try to revive you. Not to
mention the emergency room crew that's pumping your stomach and cutting
you open to massage your heart. And if those people were all "in on it",
why the need to fool anyone with a trance?
> 16. Elvis' manager, Colonel Tom Parker, had once created a new identity
> for himself. <snip>
Sneaking into the country isn't exactly the same thing as faking your
death.
> 17. Elvis' Lloyds of London life insurance policy still has not been
> cashed in. Why? <snip>
You know this for a fact?
> 18. <helicopters over Graceland>
Those were *news* helicopters photographing all the people gathered
outside Graceland. I'm sure once speculation of Elvis faking his death
started going around, someone probably "remembered" seeing helicopters
there *before* the death.
> 19. According to handwriting experts, Elvis' own handwriting was on
> his death certificate/coroners report.
LOL. Sorry. That's just too wild.
> 20. Some of Elvis' closest friends were asked, by Vernon, not to
> attend the funeral.
Take your pick:
A) Vernon didn't like them
B) Vernon knew it would be a circus and wanted to keep the guest list
short
C) Col. Parker picked the guest list and Vernon had to do the dirty work
of informing some people that they weren't welcome.
> 21. Elvis' father refused to have his son's coffin draped with the
> American flag, traditionally given to all dead war veterans. Did
> he know that the coffin did not contain his son's body.
I wasn't aware that Elvis was a *WAR* veteran. He did serve in the
military, but I'm not sure that qualifies him for the draped-in-the-flag
treatment. Can any veterans answer this?
> 22. <snip> DEA Stuff </snip>
Please. Even when the badges and IDs were real, they were still
honorary. President Nixon did not intend for Elvis to be an active DEA
agent, and there is at least one story I can't put my finger on about the
law enforcement guys Elvis was hanging around with being uncomfortable
with his apparent drug use.
> 23. The Elvis estate demanded that no cameras be brought to the funeral.
No shit. Would you want people taking pictures of your dead son?
> 24. One month prior to August 1977..., $1,000,000.00 was withdrawn
> from his personal checking account.
And this is proof of what? We are talking about and estate and a
business where lots of money flows from one account to another and from
personal to business accounts.
> 25. The medical examiner's report says that the body was found in
> the bathroom in a rigor-mortised condition. The homicide report
> says that the body was found in the bedroom 'unconscious'.
It would be much more suspicious if one said rigor-mortised and the other
said "semi-conscious" :-)
> 26. What about the tape - authenticated - that was sent to a top
> voice-identification expert, on which Elvis talked about things that
> did not occur before August 1977?
First, there is nothing on the tape that positively dates the recordings.
Secondly, I'm looking at the tape report included with the "Is Elvis
Alive?" book by Gail Brewer-Giorgio, and it is not completely conclusive.
The analyst states: "...there is data indicating that the unknown and
known speakers are the same with a modeerate level of confidence" and
that "...Voice Identification and Acoustice Analysis was not possible due
to the constraints in this particular instance..." and that "Tape
authentication per se cannot be completed with this particular tape due
to its origin as the original tapes would be necessary."
That's hardly a proof-positive analysis.
> 27. What about the mind-boggling picture taken in the poolhouse behind
> Graceland's Meditation Gardens four months after the death of Presley
> and showing a man seated who looked exactly like Elvis? <snip>
I think this person has been identified as Larry Geller.
> 28. "I may not look good tonight, but I'll look good in my coffin,"
> said Presley on his last concert tour, 1977. At a different time he
> said, "I know I look fat now and I'll look terrible for my TV special
> coming up. But I'll tell you this: I'll look good in my casket."
He may have very well known the end was near. Some people even think he
was planning suicide. I don't think he was, but it's a possibility.
> 29. "If I should return you would not recognize me" is underlined in
> one of Elvis' favorite books.
Most likely a reference to the second coming of Jesus Christ. Would we
recognize him?
> 30. In 'Elvis, My Brother', Billy Stanley noted that Elvis was
> wearing a jogging suit with the DEA logo during the early morning
> hours of August 16, 1977.
Proof of nothing.
> 31. There are 663 FBI pages on Elvis, much of the material consists
> of files dated after August 1977.
And what's in those files? What are your sources? If they were trying
to hide something, would they even admit those files exist?
> 32. Phone records show that Ginger Alden, Elvis' girlfriend at the
> time of his alleged death, phoned the National Enquirer one hour
> before calling downstairs for help when she found Elvis in the
> bathroom floor. How did she know to call them one hour before
> there was anything to call about? Did she know that there was going
> to be a body in there in one hour?
Sounds like somebody is either confused about when the body was found, or
when the call was placed. Or maybe she was calling the Enquirer to dish
some dirt on Elvis? Are you sure the call was about his death?
> 33. What about the sightings, many by very credible people?
Many "credible" people also see UFOs and bigfoot.
> 34. Elvis believed that he was chosen by God for something special.
> He thought he had special powers like, hands-on-healing. <snip>
He also thought he could move clouds with his mind. If you believe in
supernatural powers, fine. But unless the Amazing Randy signs off on it,
I'm not taking this a proof of anything.
> 35. There were orders by the Presley Estate that no cameras be brought
> to the funeral. However, one of Elvis' relatives, Bobby Mann, managed
> to sneak one in. The picture he took appeared on the front of the
> National Enquirer. It is evident in the picture that it is not Elvis
> Presley.
This has always been the closest thing to "proof" that the whole faked-
death theory has going for it. I'll admit the photo doesn't look much
like Elvis. It looks too young, too thin, and the nose, eyebrows, and
chin don't look right.
My question is: Does everyone accept this photo as being genuine? Did
it really come from one of Elvis' relatives? I mean come on, the
tabloids show photos of Aliens meeting with Newt and Clinton. Does it
seem so far fetched that they would fake a photo of Elvis in his casket?
Might not Bobby Mann have faked the photo to earn some cash?
> 36. Elvis was pronounced dead at 2:56 PM. Between that time and
> when the body was viewed the next day, there seemed to be enough
> time to do all of the following: <snip>
Yeah, people can really hop to it when they want to. This was Elvis
after all. The people of Memphis pulled out all the stops and got stuff
done PDQ.
> 37. Dee Presley, Elvis' stepmother, said she received a call from
> someone sounding like Elvis, saying things only Elvis knew.
Sounds like a bad practical joke to me. Or another urban legend.
> 38. A picture taken September 23, 1984 shows Muhammad Ali, Reverend
> Jesse Jackson, and what appears to be Elvis Presley. When
> Muhammad Ali was in Fort Worth, Texas, toward the end of 1989,
> promoting his cologne, two people showed him the picture. As
> reported by the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, Ali identified the
> man in the picture with him as "My friend Elvis." Also, in late
> 1989, a lady showed the picture to Elvis' step-brother, Billy
> Stanley. Billy pointed the man out as being Elvis Presley. He
> said he wanted a copy of the picture to put on his office wall
> to prove that Elvis was not a racist.
This photo was also cleared up on the 2nd Bill Bixby (sp?) special.
While the black and white version of the photo looked very much like
Elvis, it was very clear in the color version that it was someone else.
I can't remember who. They even interviewed the guy.
===================================================================
CyberToad (Todd Hensley)
===================================================================
The Judge
On 5 Apr 1998 04:06:18 GMT, sivl...@aol.com (Sivle nora) , spewed:
Mickey, you must be pretty lonely these days since all your Heaven's
Gate friends caught the great space ship.
Rick
Don't criticize a man until you walk a mile in his shoes
Then, when you criticize him, you'll be a mile away and you'll have
his shoes
jim...@mcmail.com
>
>
>Are you really? Bad luck for this group!! The only thing you can do is bash
>people, you never have any positive contribution to this group. Take care
>when you kiss your mirror, it might break!
>
>Hope you'll have a good time together with those other suckers in my filter!
>
>
>Lex Raaphorst
>http://www.casema.net/~arpt
Dear Lex
normally I would'nt respond to comments like this but you're a
decent lad with an excellent Elvis site so I will comment.
It's not exactly true that I can "bash people" but you are correct
in saying that I have'nt been positive so let me explain. People like
Burk and Lacker have a God given right to express their opinions just
as I have and I would always defend their right to express these
opoinions. However when I know someone is lying or trying to mislead
people then surely it is right to speak up rather than say nothing?
I'm an Elvis fan and damned proud of it. I love Elvis just as you
do or any other fan on this ng. If someone speaks an untruth as Burk
has done then I aint gonna let it pass as others do. Burk has lied on
this ng, so if I know he's lying then by the Lord I shall say so.
There are a lot of nice people on here who have interestig opinions
on Elvis & the legacy he left us, I enjoy reading these opinions. Some
fans are a bit in awe of people like Burk & Lacker, that's their
business, because they dont impress me does not make me right, it is
simply my opinion. It is your right to criticise me or anyone else on
here if you dont like what has been said, I am entitled to that right
also.
I genuinely apologise if you have been offended, none of it was
meant to upset a fellow fan. However I have been threatened and lied
about on here so I will not sit back and accept it and I ask you to
allow me the right that everyone else has.
Jim
IWMackay
In article <35325557...@news.mindspring.com>, Ram...@Pontiac.GTO (The
Judge) writes:
>
>Mickey, you must be pretty lonely these days since all your Heaven's
>Gate friends caught the great space ship.
>
>Rick
I've been encountering this thread over the passt three days on the posts which
I've downloaded onto three different computers over the past three weeks so
I've read everything in the wrong order.
Wish I was drunk.
Here's to you
Keeping Elvis #1
Ian
IWMackay
In article <199804050524...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
quinn...@aol.com (QuinnSlidr) writes:
>Larry? What do you think? Did Elvis know he was going to die on August 16,
>1977 three years before he really died?
>
>
Where have these people come from? Has there been a solar flare?
and out there too
Keeping Elvis #1
Ian
IWMackay
>I genuinely apologise if you have been offended, none of it was
>meant to upset a fellow fan. However I have been threatened and lied
>about on here so I will not sit back and accept it and I ask you to
>allow me the right that everyone else has.
Fair enough but maybe add some information some times. You must have done
something as an Elvis fan before your retirement in england other than bitch
about people.
I'd like to like all my loyal fans
Keeping Elvis #1
Ian
Angel10050
Hi everyone,
I'm just going to give my opinion here, but, I think this has gone
far enough. We all see that Sivle nora believes what he says, and that some of
you others do not, so can't we agree to disaggree? And the name calling is
totally uncalled for. I see that most of you don't agree with Sivle, so don't
keep posting mean things. Just let it end. And if you don't agree with it,
don't respond, or if you do, at least make the post tactful. Just my opinion.
Thanks!
Angel :)
QuinnSlidr
I have been on the newsgroup for quite awhile, Ian, and I do believe Elvis is
dead. But, Elvis was also very spiritual and I think he was psychic to some
degree. He probably could have predicted his own death.
Ian, and everyone else on this group, follow my instructions in my post for the
Sundial Suit. Get any very good photo of the sundial design on the front of
the suit or the back. I am not offering heresy or vague information. This is
something that you can actually SEE FOR YOURSELF. I stumbled across this when
I was counting the mirrors, beads, nailheads, etc. so that I could find the
materials to make the suit.
jim...@mcmail.com
On 5 Apr 1998 13:42:04 GMT, iwma...@aol.com (IWMackay) wrote:
>
>Fair enough but maybe add some information some times. You must have done
>something as an Elvis fan before your retirement in england other than bitch
>about people.
>
>I'd like to like all my loyal fans
>Keeping Elvis #1
>Ian
Hi Ian
before I left Scotland I helped run an Elvis fan club with a
woman from Memphis, we called it "Suspicious Minds/The Forum"
It was a nice little club with around 200 members worldwide at
one point. The object of the club was to encourage members to air
their views on anything Elvis and for a while it was quite successful
& enjoyable. At one time we had some distinguished members including
Peter Guralnick, Elaine Dundy & Todd Slaughter plus some others.
Unfortunately it became too much for both of us plus there was a
lot of hassle creeping in from outside sources. It's also fair to say
that the Memphis lady got pissed off at the whole Elvis scene in
general and the harmony ceased to exist, it was time to end it.
However I've made many good friendships from those days, friendships
that will last a lifetime.
I've got a lot to thank Elvis for in my life, it's an old cliche
but I can never repay him for all the years of pleasure he's given me.
It's because I love him, because he feels like family that I tend to
get very angry with people who should know better, I cant apologise
for that. You probably would find it strange that I'm really a nice
fellow!
Och aye the 'noo
Jim
jim...@mcmail.com
On Sat, 4 Apr 1998 22:33:46 -0500, che...@webtv.net (E.P. Henderson)
wrote:
Hey Pauley,whatever
Burk can say whay he wants on here, so can you, so can I but when
he spews his bullshit I'll jump on him all day. You can swallow it if
you want, I'm only trying to be hateful!!
Jim,whatever ;-)
E.P. Henderson
It may surprise you to know that if you
had not replied to Lex and Ian the way you did, no one would have any
idea that you _were_ a fan.
That is my point. You may say what you
want, but you are certainly letting your
hatred for Bill take precedence over your
love for Elvis. That's where you lost me,
pal.
Thank God that there are a few who will not be run off. It's called
fighting for the
group, and I am quite tenacious.
No one really cares about the 20 bucks, by the way. Buy a relaxation cd
with it and
have a lovely day.
still me;-)
Pauley....
Alessio Quirino
My God, Cyber Toad!
Well done!!!
Alessio
to...@brookings.net
Hi!
Very well said!
I have an idea. Why don't those of us who want to talk about the Elvis
Controversy, impersonators, Orion, etc. etc. move on over to the Elvis
Sightings newsgroup? That should end the bickering, right?
I'm game. Anyway with me?
Tori
Allen Damron
Your a little late I ask them to do this a little earlyer but have
yet to see anything posted over there I thought the sighting list
was for this and Alt.King & Alt.Fan was for great Elvis stories.
No it wont stop the bickering some people just wont give it a rest
they always have to keep something going please give it a rest !
Keep Rockin',TCB,Allen Damron
to...@brookings.net
On Mon, 06 Apr 1998 09:33:21 GMT, Allen Damron <all...@ls.net> wrote:
> Hi Tori,
> Your a little late I ask them to do this a little earlyer but have
> yet to see anything posted over there I thought the sighting list
> was for this and Alt.King & Alt.Fan was for great Elvis stories.
> No it wont stop the bickering some people just wont give it a rest
> they always have to keep something going please give it a rest !
> Keep Rockin',TCB,Allen Damron
Hmmmmm......guess I missed your post. Well, if I have anything to say
about the controversy and/or ORION and/or impersonators, I'm posting
it to sightings.
Tori
dnem...@sprynet.com
>
> Oh come on. 50 pounds. Have you seen how tight his suits were? There's
> no way he could have fit another 50 pounds into one of them. Besides that, how
> many times have you known Elvis to wear the same jumpsuit twice?
Mickey,
Well, I know that he wore the Astec Sundial jumpsuit almost exclusively
from late April up until to his last show. He may have had a couple of Astec
suits in reserve but he had to have worn the same one more than twice.
> Why else would there be a life insurance policy? Why would someone have a
> life insurance policy that couldn't be cashed in? That's what they are for.
Elvis was a multimillionare. Why would he need a life insurance policy?
Why would he even take one out? His take home profits from his third
to the last 13 date tour was $800,000. He must have made over $4 million
that year alone on concerts.
> If he knew he was going to die..., he must have known that he would still
> look fat in his casket and therefore would not have been bragging about how
> good he would look. The body was not fat.
When he died his skin had turned brownish black and the coroner pumped
his stomach, removed organs and broke out his front teeth to get the stomach
pump into his throat. This is why he looked different in the casket. Everyone
looks different when they are dead. Ever have gone to a funeral?
TCB,
Darren Nemeth
dnem...@sprynet.com
> Larry? What do you think? Did Elvis know he was going to die on August 16,
> 1977 three years before he really died?
I am not Larry but I have someting to add to this.
I have read that Elvis had died several times before he died on August 16, 1977.
On those occasions he was lucky enough to have someone
close by to revive him. Perhaps if he did die in one of those
instances and under a different setting and circumstance we
probably would not have all this "Evidence" that he is still alive.
Just a thought,
Darren Nemeth
dnem...@sprynet.com
> > 28. "I may not look good tonight, but I'll look good in my coffin,"
> > said Presley on his last concert tour, 1977. At a different time he
> > said, "I know I look fat now and I'll look terrible for my TV special
> > coming up. But I'll tell you this: I'll look good in my casket."
Mickey,
Can you give me the dates of these concerts that Elvis said these things? I will listen to the tapes.
> > 31. There are 663 FBI pages on Elvis, much of the material consists
> > of files dated after August 1977.
>
> And what's in those files? What are your sources? If they were trying
> to hide something, would they even admit those files exist?
Todd,
The FBI homepage has all of their Elvis documents on the web.
> > 32. Phone records show that Ginger Alden, Elvis' girlfriend at the
> > time of his alleged death, phoned the National Enquirer one hour
> > before calling downstairs for help when she found Elvis in the
> > bathroom floor. How did she know to call them one hour before
> > there was anything to call about? Did she know that there was going
> > to be a body in there in one hour?
>
> Sounds like somebody is either confused about when the body was found, or
> when the call was placed. Or maybe she was calling the Enquirer to dish
> some dirt on Elvis? Are you sure the call was about his death?
Anyone,
When is Ginger's book on Elvis going to be published? I thought that it was going to come out last August.
> > 35. There were orders by the Presley Estate that no cameras be brought
> > to the funeral. However, one of Elvis' relatives, Bobby Mann, managed
> > to sneak one in. The picture he took appeared on the front of the
> > National Enquirer. It is evident in the picture that it is not Elvis
> > Presley.
>
> This has always been the closest thing to "proof" that the whole faked-
> death theory has going for it. I'll admit the photo doesn't look much
> like Elvis. It looks too young, too thin, and the nose, eyebrows, and
> chin don't look right.
>
> My question is: Does everyone accept this photo as being genuine? Did
> it really come from one of Elvis' relatives? I mean come on, the
> tabloids show photos of Aliens meeting with Newt and Clinton. Does it
> seem so far fetched that they would fake a photo of Elvis in his casket?
> Might not Bobby Mann have faked the photo to earn some cash?
Todd and Mickey,
If the picture was taken with a small Minolta camera (Marty e-mailed
me a while back saying that it was a Minolta) then I believe it used a
film format smaller than 35mm. If this is so the photo would be a little
grainy. Especially if it were shot further away and was cropped and
enlarged for the front page of the Enquirer. What we probably see
now is a touched up photo of Elvis in the casket. The published
version is most likely a sharper more defined image than the original
and the touching up process makes him look different than he actually
was.
I believe that the photographer of this picture was not standing near
the casket when he took it. Look at the angle of the photo. This may
have been shot at a distance (7ft or more I guess) from the casket.
Mann wouldn't be stupid enough to shoot the photo when he was
standing near the casket in full view of everyone. I figure he did it
while he was sitting down and no one was looking. Either that or Billy
Mann was alfully short.
Any thoughts on this?
Also the published photo has good lighting. I doubt that the original photo looks as good.
I believe that the photo is real and Elvis died on August 16, 1977.
Have a nice day, :)
Darren Nemeth
Sivle nora
>Elvis was a multimillionare. Why would he need a life insurance policy?
I don't know why he had one, but he did. People don't get life insurance
policies and then attach a clause that prevents them from being used. How dumb
would that be?
jim...@mcmail.com
On Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:43:58 -0400, che...@webtv.net (E.P. Henderson)
wrote:
>It may surprise you to know that if you
>had not replied to Lex and Ian the way you did, no one would have any
>idea that you _were_ a fan.
Pauley whatever
I did'nt realise you spoke for the whole group! You really must
take some time to think before you jump in. It does'nt take a genius
to work out why someone from the UK should visit Memphis and end up
here, however you needed it to be spelt out!
>That is my point. You may say what you
>want, but you are certainly letting your
>hatred for Bill take precedence over your
>love for Elvis. That's where you lost me,
>pal.
It's obviously not difficult to lose you my dear. Expressing your
opinion is fine by me but please dont tell me anything about how much
I love Elvis, what makes you so knowledgeable about me when you've
only just discovered I'm a fan? Also, for the last time pal, I dont
hate Burk, OK? Keep this nonsense up & you'll qualify for one of his
private hatemails about me.
>Thank God that there are a few who will not be run off. It's called
>fighting for the
>group, and I am quite tenacious.
Quite frankly my dear, I dont give a damn about your tenacity. If this
is your way of fighting for the group then carry on, we must all do
what we think is right for Elvis.
>
>No one really cares about the 20 bucks, by the way. Buy a relaxation cd
>with it and
>have a lovely day.
Is this you being tenacious?
I've been asked to stop bitching, you dont make it easy pal
still me too
Jim, whatever
>
>
>
>
>
>
>still me;-)
>
>Pauley....
>
>
Alessio Quirino
On 6 Apr 1998 18:43:02 GMT, sivl...@aol.com (Sivle nora) wrote:
>>Elvis was a multimillionare. Why would he need a life insurance policy?
>><BR>
>
> I don't know why he had one, but he did. People don't get life insurance
>policies and then attach a clause that prevents them from being used. How dumb
>would that be?
>
The insurance company could have done it. It could be as simple as 'If
the insured part dies by suicide, then the money won't be cashed out.'
Since many drugs and medicines were found in Elvis' body, the company
would have used this as a proof that Elvis killed himself, maybe by
accident, but of course it has to be proven that it was an accident...
Let this be clear: it is not what _I_ think, it's what the lawyer of
an insurance company will say.
Alessio
Shelton
On 4 Apr 1998 20:31:24 GMT, moo...@aol.com (MoonOOO) wrote:
>research so you should state the facts as you know them here. No need to stay
>away.
>
>Marty
I'll second that, for what it's worth.
Shelton
Unknown
> I don't know why he had one, but he did. People don't get life insurance
> policies and then attach a clause that prevents them from being used. How dumb
> would that be?
>
>
> Mickey Moran
> sivl...@aol.com
> http://members.aol.com/superlvis/elvispage.html
>>>>
Mickey,
Maybe he didn't consiously get the life insurance out if, there are any. Could it be possible that someone
else did and since every knows about them he or she is afraid to get caught cashing them in.
Darren
E.P. Henderson
Jim,
"Yawn"
stickin' with Elvis,
Pauley..
Shane Paterson
On 4 Apr 1998, Sivle nora wrote:
> Okay..., You people have been trying to get me to post proof for some time now.
> I've just now had time to type it all up for you. If anyone out there can come
> up with as much legitimate proof that he's dead as I have that he's alive..., I
> will drop the whole thing. However, I don't believe there's any danger in that
> happening.
>
> ELVIS: DEAD OR ALIVE ?
>
> 1. Elvis' name is misspelled on his tombstone.
I always spell Elvis' name with the "Aron" spelling, because I thought
that's how it was for most of his life...I believe, however, that it was
changed to back to "Aaron" at some point or is, at least, legally "Aaron"
on many documents. The "mis-spelling" on the grave could be Elvis' way of
not tempting fate, if he did fake his death, but a more parsimonious
explanation is that it was his real name or was considered so by his
father or whoever ordered the inscription.
> 2. Elvis' current resting place is in between his father and his grandmother
> and not next
> to his mother where he had adamantly requested.
His mother was buried out at Forest Hill until after Elvis was already
dead (and two years before Vernon died and many years before Minnie Mae
died, unless they also faked their deaths), but I suppose a still-alive
Elvis could have ordered the placement as it is now...more likely, someone
else set up the placement, post-mortem, and put Elvis in the middle with
his parents' plots to either side. As is true of most of this
circumstantial evidence, the majority of which is extremely tenuous, it's
impossible to "prove" the case either way, but lack of hard evidence that
Elvis is dead does not strengthen the case for him being alive.
> 3. Elvis was very vain, and he was embarrassed about his recent weight gain -
> An
> astonishing 50 pounds in the month before his so-called death. Even though he
> weighed
> 250 pounds at the time of his death, his death certificate lists him at a spry
> 170 pounds.
> The original death certificate disappeared, and the current death certificate
> is dated two
> months after his alleged death.
Sure, lots of weird paperwork stuff happened around the time of his death
(or are alleged to have happened...I refer you to the "Paul is dead"
phenomenon for a case history where clues that are repeated often enough
to be considered unassailable fact have their origins in a hoax or
innacurate statement). At the very least, it indicates some sloppy
bureaucracy (surprisingly so, considering its subject) but it is still not
the proof you claim to possess, and can't even claim to be so significant
that it indicates Elvis is alive with any degree of certainty. When I
first came to the US I gave a mailing address in New Mexico as the closest
I had to a residence and picked up my Social Security card on Wilshire
Boulevard, in Los Angeles. Somehow, my original paperwork lists my
residence as Los Angeles, NM, a town that doesn't exist. I eventually got
a new card, with Las Cruces, NM, on it, after explaining the foul-up, but
I wouldn't be surprised if I am still listed somewhere as the sole
resident of Los Angeles, New Mexico (I guess that would also make me
Mayor). Bureaucracy happens.
> 4. Elvis' coffin required several pall bearers because it weighed 900 pounds.
> Attendants
> at the funeral reported that the air around the coffin was rather cool. It is
> suspected that
> the coffin contained an air conditioning unit or dry ice to keep a wax body
> cool.
I've heard the same speculation about Bruce Lee, which got turned into a
movie ("Game Of Death" featuring an impersonator for most of the film with
the real Bruce toward the end, in film he shot but never completed. In
the film, as best I remember, Bruce's antagonist ended up faking his death
and substituting a wax dummy. By the way, Dean Jagger (Elvis' father in
"King Creole") played the bad guy and I think the other bad guy was also
in an Elvis movie (I want to say Gig Young, from "Kid Galahad").
Furthermore, Elvis had wanted to star in a martial arts feature, so
there's always the possibility that he's in this movie during a fight
scene and threw the wax-dummy-in-the-coffin scene in to the script as a
clue ("here's another clue for you all...the walrus was Paul...").
Besides, if the casket was in a cool room and was made of anything but
wood it might be expected to be a little cool to the touch by
conduction...also, just about anything in a Memphis August feels cool in
comparison to the air.
> And how did
> the Presley
> family get a 900 pound, custom made coffin ready for a funeral that was held on
> the day
> after his death? It takes a lot of time to build such and elaborate coffin.
Good point, and a good question. However, just as you can say that "of
course anybody who was present at Elvis' death -- the only apparent
reliable eyewitnesses to the events -- are going to be biased by being in
on the conspiracy" so can I offer "this still does not constitute proof
because it is, at best, circumstantial evidence that doesn't lead anywhere
but to speculation".
> Alanna Nash,
> formerly of the Louisville Courier-Journal, who viewed the body in the casket
> twice,
> commented on how wax-like it looked. La Costa, sister of Tanya Tucker, said,
> "We were
> right up to the casket and stood there, and God, I couldn't believe it. He
> looked just like a
> piece of plastic laying there. He didn't look like Elvis at all... He looked
> more like a
> dummy that a real person."
Dead people have a way of doing that. The "National Enquirer" picture, if
it's real, does not look like Elvis to me, but perhaps that shouldn't be
surprising because in death he had none of the facial muscles going and
could be excused for not looking himself. Maybe he did look waxy or
plastic, because dead people often do, despite the best efforts of
morticians. As much as I'd like to believe that the coffin contained a
wax Elvis (and that would be a bit of a risky enterprise considering how
many people saw it), I'd tend to place more credence with Larry Geller
(and Charlie Hodge) who did Elvis' hair prior to the funeral, a task I can
not imagine completing on my own friend. Unless Larry is covering for
Elvis, being part of the conspiracy of silence and disinformation (in
which case I'd really like him to give me Elvis' e-mail address!), I'm
afraid the whole heavy, custom-made casket and wax Elvis scenario is a red
herring.
> 5. And why have the funeral so quickly? Some speculate that the immediacy was
> intended to make it as difficult as possible for the people who were Elvis'
> biggest fans
> (heads of fan clubs, etc.) to attend the proceedings. It could be a concern
> that they might
> recognize the flaws in the wax replica..., many of which were noticed anyway.
Alternatively, why wait? It's not like Elvis was going to rise up and
walk on the second day or anything (now THAT would have been a major
freak-out). It was August (hot!), sickos were probably doing their best
to steal the body, and why not get it over with, because waiting wasn't
going to do Elvis any good where he'd gone to. Sure, some people who knew
Elvis were probably unlikely to have made it, due to the short notice, but
I bet a lot just dropped whatever they were doing, took an emergency
leave, and got there.
> 6. Elvis was an 8th degree black belt whose hands were rough with calluses,
> yet the body
> in the coffin had hands that were soft and pudgy.
Being a martial artist does not necessarily mean that your hands will be
rough and calloused. The reverse is true of Chinese practicioners at
higher levels, who use special techniques to increase bone density and
penetrating power that are coupled with dit da jow and other herbal
medicines that provide the martial artist with an exceedingly powerful
"iron palm" while their hands show none of -- or little of -- the obvious
external signs of training to break things. Martial artists who don't use
such techniques and herbal preparations, typically of Korean and Japanese
styles that are a descendant and a subset of Chinese martial arts, will
develop callouses and scars on their knuckles and eventually place
themselves at extreme risk of arthritis from their lower-level training.
I don't know what American Kenpo's training methods are in that respect,
though it's heavily derived from southern Chinese systems, but I think the
real point is that Elvis probably was not training as heavily in 1977 as a
few years earleir and probably stuck mostly to forms and the "internal"
and meditative aspects of his martial arts background. The only way he
would have really developed calloused hands (apart from perhaps his
guitar-playing fingers) would have been through heavy duty sparring,
knuckle push-ups, and breaking boards, etc, and I doubt he'd done any of
these for quite a while by August of '77. I train martial arts several
times each week, including knuckle push-ups, bag work, and sparring, and
as I look at my hands right now I see no callouses.
Also, look at Elvis' hands from the '77 TV Special -- they're "pudgy" or,
rather, swollen. They ALREADY don't look like Elvis' hands used to.
> The body in the coffin had a
> pug nose
> and arched eyebrows (unlike Elvis) and most importantly, one of the sideburns
> on the
> corpse was loose and falling off. A hairdresser later reported gluing the
> sideburn back on
> the body.
"A hairdresser"? That would be Larry, then. Elvis' body went through an
autopsy, so I don't think it's too surprising that he didn't look right.
Also, didn't he "land" on his face when he died? I hate being that
graphic, but maybe that accounts for his nose being out of shape.
I just looked up one of Larry Geller's books to refresh my memory about
what he says about that day...here it is, from page 3 of "If I Can Dream":
"I couldn't believe my eyes. His sideburn had fallen right off the side
of his head. Luckily, Charlie whipped out a tube of Super Glue he'd
caught the Colonel sniffing and I spackled that sucker right back into
place. "Damn," I thought to myself, "why didn't Vernon order a more
realistic manniken for this whole cover-up."
There you have it. I don't know how I missed that part (if it's not in
your copy, that's probably because I've got a different edition than you)
> 7. Two hours after Elvis' death was announced publicly, a man who reportedly
> looked
> remarkably like Elvis purchased a ticket for Buenos Aeries, paid in cash, and
> used the
> name John Burrows: the name Elvis had used as an alias several times before.
Reportedly? Who, when, and where's the boarding pass? I suppose this all
ties in with the lyrics to "Way Down" (now THAT was a stretch!) and the
early clues dropped in "Fun In Brasilia" (later changed at the last minute
to "Fun In Acapulco").
> 8. He had a few books that were considered to be his most prized possessions.
> He had a
> Bible, several pharmaceutical books, books on death, and most importantly
> Cheiro's
> Book of Numbers and the Autobiography of a Yogi. After his death was
> announced,
> these books disappeared and were never recovered. Also missing were specific
> pieces of
> jewelry and pictures of his mother.
So I've heard. Unfortunately, the only people who could tell me otherwise
are likely to be involved in the cover-up, if there was one, so I guess
I'll never know for sure whether this is true or not.
> 9. In the weeks preceding his alleged death, Elvis' actions were not those of
> a man who
> was about to embark on an extensive US tour. He ordered no new suits despite
> having
> gained 50 pounds since his last tour.
Check out the entirety of April through September, 1976. He wore a grand
total of two suits that whole time. Besides, I recall seeing a
not-quite-finished suit, when I first visited Graceland (1985), that we
were told was being prepared for his next tour. Also, EVERY suit Elvis
wore in 1977 was from a previous tour or other engagement, either from
1974 or 1975, and he wore the Sundial suit at most of his concerts that
year. He had plenty to choose from if he'd really gained 50 lbs (I DOUBT
IT!) because he could always have dragged out the old prehistoric bird
suits or the two-piece suits he wore in 1975. I think a more likely
reason is that Elvis didn't like to deal with fitting a new jumpsuit, and
enjoyed it less as his size grew larger, and that's why he had no new
suits ordered after his MARCH, 1976 tour (for all I know, he even had the
two prehistoric bird suits prior to that).
> 10. Elvis fired several employees that he had relied upon for a long time.
Good for him. Maybe they had it coming, but he still had others around
him, so I don't see your point.
> 11. Two days before his alleged death, Elvis telephoned a friend of his named
> Miss
> Foster (Elvis had been friends with her for a long time because she reminded
> him of his
> mother). He told her that he wasn't planning on going on the upcoming tour.
> She asked
> him if he had canceled it, and he said that he had not. When she asked if he
> was ill, he
> said that he was fine, and that she should not ask any more questions or tell
> anyone
> anything, and that she should not believe anything she reads. He told her that
> his troubles
> would all soon be over, and that he would call her in a few weeks. The author
> of Elvis
> Where Are You? writes that Miss Foster took a polygraph test regarding this
> story, and
> that she was not lying.
Polygraph tests are not necessarily conclusive. If it really did happen
just that way, Elvis may have been thinking out loud in the wake of the
"bodyguard book" -- like when he says she shouldn't believe anything she
reads -- and going in to the same "I see my death coming" kind of talk he
shared with others around that time (which would be likely because either
he really did foresee his own death or because he knew he was pushing the
envelope of life and that he wasn't immune to everything that had befallen
his body or because he was just depressed and pessimistic, or all of
these). If he said he wasn't going on the tour he was probably just
airing his frustrations and fears -- magnified with the threat of "Elvis,
What Happened" looming over him, and talking it out. That wouldn't have
been the first time Elvis threatened not to go ahead with a performance or
performances.
> 12. The day after Elvis' alleged death, a woman named Lucy De Barbon, a former
> lover
> of Elvis', received a single rose in the mail. The card indicated that the
> flower was from
> "El Lancelot". This had been her pet name for Elvis, and it was a name that no
> one else
> knew. Flowers can't be sent from beyond the grave.
Yeah, and this all assumes you believe her claims in the first place,
which I don't. Next...
> 13. Elvis had many reasons to fake his death. Elvis life was in danger. He
> had recently
> lost $10,000,000 in an airplane/real estate deal with a California based
> organization
> called the "Fraternity" that had links to the Mafia. It is speculated that he
> corroborated
> with the government to expose the organized crime ring in exchange for
> protection -
> perhaps in the form of a new life and identity compliments of the witness
> relocation
> program.
All this is really cool conspiracy-theory stuff, and would make a great
movie (actually, it already has, several times), but whether there's
anythign REALLY behind all the alledged links, to quote Elvis, "I'll Never
Know". I'm all for the occasional bit of conspiracy theorizing, and I
believe that the Feds are capable of cover-up upon cover-up, but the least
convincing part about all this is that they actually managed to do the job
right in Elvis' case, and covered it up so well. Maybe they did. I'll
never know. And you won't, either. No proof here.
Oh, yeah, I don't think Elvis was the type who could have kept all this
supercool intrigue to himself for even a second though, of course, if his
associates were in on the cover-up then I just presented a circular
argument. I love it when a theory comes togetehr, bites its own tail, and
swallows itself.
> 14. Elvis was a prisoner of his own fame. He had many other reasons to leave
> his life
> behind. Because of his incredible popularity, he was the recipient of several
> death
> threats, and he was concerned about the safety of his wife and daughter.
> Sometimes
> when he wanted to leave Graceland, he would send out look-alikes to distract
> would be
> followers. Elvis was also known to ride in the trunk of someone else's car to
> avoid
> detection.
Wouldn't particularly surprise me, under certain circumstances (filming
"King Creole" in New Orleans and much of 1956-57 comes to mind), but I
hardly see Superfly Elvis circa 1973 cramming himself into Billy Stanley's
VW bug for a ride home. Yes, Elvis was really a prisoner, or let himself
get that way (he could have gone out and bought himself an island, like
Brando), and was under tremendous pressure because of his touring
schedule. It would have been easy to walk away from it, but motive does
not constitute proof. Anyone who picks up a John Grisham novel knows
that.
Look-alikes? Where was Johnny Harra when all this was happening?
> 15. Elvis had the means to fake his own death.
ANYBODY has the means to fake their own death. It is probably not all
that unusual -- one diving "fatality" I heard about in the Keys a year or
two ago was susepcted to be a fake death. In today's America, even with
the Big Brother effect of electronic databases, it is easy to disappear.
It is also easy to establish an alternate identity.
> He is accused of destroying
> himself with
> drugs. In reality, Elvis was a pharmaceutical expert. He took a lot of drugs,
> but he knew
> what he was doing and was extremely careful. He knew what drugs he could self-
> administer to create a deathlike state. Further, Elvis' experience with the
> martial arts was
> such that he could slow his heart rate and breathing in order to feign death.
Maybe, maybe not. Where's the beef...I mean...proof?
> 16. Elvis' manager, Colonel Tom Parker, had once created a new identity for
> himself.
> He came to this country as an illegal immigrant from Holland, but through
> various
> connections managed to create an elaborate identity complete with a passport,
> birth
> certificate, drivers' license, and social security number. He would have known
> how to
> give Elvis a second life.
Why would he want to? He might have thought Elvis would be big in death
as he was in life, but what if he'd been wrong. The Colonel stuck to sure
things -- witness the carnival sales at Elvis' 50s concert, the desire for
a "traditional" Comoesque 1968 TV Special, and the continuance of Elvis'
Hollywood career in the 60s for too long.
> 17. Elvis' Lloyds of London life insurance policy still has not been cashed
> in. Why? It is
> not illegal to fake your death as long as you don't profit from it.
Don't know, probably will never.
> 18. There was a helicopter hovering over Graceland just moments before Elvis
> was
> found dead.
Was it a black helicopter? Gotta watch those guys.
> Did Elvis get on that helicopter? Did the helicopter drop off
> another body
> to take Elvis' place?
Did the helicopter, in fact, exist? This should be the first question.
> Monte Nicholson, a veteran with the Los Angeles
> Sheriff's Dept.,
> writes in his novel The Presley Arrangement about a government helicopter
> hovering
> over Graceland, and finally landing in the back. Nicholson was informed there
> were
> pictures of Elvis getting on the helicopter during the early afternoon of
> August 16.
> Others report seeing a helicopter - including Larry Geller in his book If I Can
> Dream:
> Elvis' Own Story, who says he saw from his window at Howard Johnson's:
> helicopters
> hovering over Graceland.
I admit it -- I've seen the view from those helicopters. So has everyone
else, because they were toting news cameras for aerial shots of the
crowds. "The Presley Arrangement" sounds like a crackerjack Robert Ludlum
title. If this Californian sherriff "was informed" there were pictures of
our man being whisked off to parts unknown (in which case he wouldn't have
had to buy a regaulr air ticket as Jon Burrows), did he think to ask for a
look at them before publishing a book about them? Maybe he was related to
Albert Goldmine.
> 19. According to handwriting experts, Elvis' own handwriting was on his death
> certificate/coroners report.
Saw that. Cool. One never knows. Not proof, though. Sorry.
> 20. Some of Elvis' closest friends were asked, by Vernon, not to attend the
> funeral.
Who? Second question: so what? Maybe he thought they'd be unduly
histrionic (well, not unduly...I mean, paralyzed by the emotion of it) or
maybe he just didn't like them. I'm surprised you haven't brought up one
of the coolest of all clues -- the time discrepancies between Elvis' death
being announced and Priscilla's (alledged) departure from LA, and other
discrepancies in timing and stories (not that that's unusual) from that
day. Of course, an alternate hypothesis to Priscilla knowing about Elvis'
death because he told her is that she ordered it.
NOTE TO PRISCILLA'S LAWYERS: not that I'm suggesting any such thing (but
it makes a dandy new conspiracy theory, doncha think?)
> 21. Elvis' father refused to have his son's coffin draped with the
American
> flag,
> traditionally given to all dead war veterans.
Elvis wasn't a war veteran, just to split hairs. If he was eligible for
that honor, then why Vernon didn't want it may be something only he knows
(knew).
> 22. In December 1970, Elvis was inducted into the Drug Enforcement
Agency
> (DEA) by
> President Nixon. Elvis had just been awarded one of America's Ten
Outstanding
> Young
> Men for his efforts to wipe out drugs. Elvis went undercover for the
DEA and
> helped put
> one of America's largest drug dealers behind bars.
Who was that? Elvis as Popeye Doyle...cool...
> The U.S. Department of Justice's Federal Bureau of
> Investigation
> in Washington confirmed in a letter to Maria Columbus, president of The
Elvis
> Special
> fan club, that Presley visited FBI headquarters on December 31, 1970 and
was
> given a
> tour of FBI facilities.
<snip>
> One of the fan letters states that several police uniforms were
delivered to
> Graceland on
> August 15, 1977.
Tenuous evidence, at best...if uniforms were delivered, so what? You can
see a picture of Elvis in one of his police uniforms circa 1970-71, so he
probably had a collection of 'em. Anyway, what does ordering a bunch of
police uniforms have to do with faking a death? As for all that stuff
about Elvis getting an FBI tour, maybe it's true that he wasn't in Memphis
that New Years' Eve (I doubt it) but, even so, touring the FBI facility is
not an honor reserved solely for special agents.
> 23. The Elvis estate demanded that no cameras be brought to the
funeral.
Well, duh...is this a surprise to anyone?
> 24. One month prior to August 1977..., $1,000,000.00 was withdrawn from
his
> personal
> checking account.
Business as usual for Elvis.
> 25. The medical examiner's report says that the body was found in the
bathro$
> in a
> rigor-mortised condition. The homicide report says that the body was
found in
> the
> bedroom 'unconscious'.
Homicide report? Obviously someone did a sloppy job here -- maybe one
report was created from hearsay while the other was compiled from the
reports of the paramedics. Many discrepancies surrounding Elvis' death,
undeniably, but that doesn't prove your thesis -- it's also not
surprising, given that there are many discrepancies surrounding Elvis'
LIFE.
> 26. What about the tape - authenticated - that was sent to a top
> voice-identification
> expert, on which Elvis talked about things that did not occur before
August
> 1977?
If it's the tape I've heard, it's an incredibly convincing Elvis voice.
Quite eerie, but I don't remember anything from it that is particularly
dated and the snippets I've heard from other tapes (like where Reagan is
shot) don't sound as much like Elvis to me. Although the first tape I
mention still freaks me out, I believe the voice analysis wasn't
absolutely conclusive.
> 27. What about the mind-boggling picture taken in the poolhouse behind
> Graceland's
> Meditation Gardens four months after the death of Presley and showing a
man
> seated
> who looked exactly like Elvis?
Neat picture, but it's so fuzzy that it could have been just about anyone
(for one thing, put sideburns and glasses on many people and, from a
distance, they'd bear a passing resemblance to Elvis.
> Mike Joseph took this photograph in January
> 1978 while
> on vacation and visiting Meditation Gardens. There is an audio
recording of
> Mike
> Joseph stating that the person in that photograph is Elvis.
Not valid yes, I believe the picture is real, but Mike Joseph had no way
of knowing who it was. As far as I recall, he didn't even know there was
anybody there until quite some time after the pictures were developed and
I know for sure that Elvis Presley did not step forward and identify
himself as such. Therefore, Mike Joseph's statement that the person in
the picture is Elvis is meaningless.
> Later, after a
> meeting with Joe
> Esposito and Al Strada, he changed his story. Now he says that he never
stat$
> that it
> was Elvis in the photograph even though he was recorded as saying it
was.
Maybe they pointed out that his statement was ludicrous. Besides, it's
really me in the photo. Check out
http://cellmate.cb.uga.edu/~spater/dragon.jpg.
> 28. "I may not look good tonight, but I'll look good in my coffin,"
said
> Presley on his last
> concert tour, 1977. At a different time he said, "I know I look fat now
and
> I'll look
> terrible for my TV special coming up. But I'll tell you this: I'll look
good
> in my casket."
I believe Elvis said these things, but that's not proof he faked his death
(pretty solid circumstantial evidence, yes, but not proof). Alternate
possibilities include Elvis foreseeing his death (either psychically or
because he realized his body was on the brink of shutting down on him once
and for all) or a bout of fatalism or pessimism about the way his life was
going. One of these statements was, I think, made during the May 29
Baltimore show, a show at which Elvis left the stage for a LONG time (by
the way, kudos to Charlie Hodge for keeping it all going when it must have
been questionable as to whether Elvis would even show up again that
night), and was probably feeling half dead.
> 29. "If I should return you would not recognize me" is underlined in
one of
> Elvis'
> favorite books.
So are about a million other passages. I would've hated to lend Elvis one
of my books because he'd return it so defaced with underlinings and notes
(then again, he'd probably return it to me inside a brand new Cadillac).
> 30. In 'Elvis, My Brother', Billy Stanley noted that Elvis was wearing
a
> jogging suit with
> the DEA logo during the early morning hours of August 16, 1977.
Right now I'm looking at a picture on the back cover of Sean Shaver's
booklet, "Softly As I Leave You" that shows Elvis and Ginger getting
aboard the "Lisa Marie" (think it's the June 1977 tour) -- Elvis is
holding a book with "Letters of..." in the title and is wearing a DEA
tracksuit with "DEA Staff" emblazoned on the left chest. Elvis may have
worn the same suit when Billy Stanley says, but it would have absolutely
nothing to do with the circumstances of Elvis' death, real or faked.
> 31. There are 663 FBI pages on Elvis, much of the material consists of
files
> dated after
> August 1977.
I'm sure you're right, but I wonder how much of it concerns such things as
sale of his assets and that kind of stuff. If there was government
involvement in the spiriting away of Elvis, do you think they'd already
release the files to the general public? (the answer is "no," in case
you're wondering)
> 32. Phone records show that Ginger Alden, Elvis' girlfriend at the time
of h$
> alleged
> death, phoned the National Enquirer one hour before calling downstairs
for he$
> when
> she found Elvis in the bathroom floor. How did she know to call them
one hour
> before
> there was anything to call about? Did she know that there was going to
be a
> body in
> there in one hour?
Who knows what (if anything) was going through Ginger's mind? Maybe she
was leaking the news about her impending marriage, or what she thought was
her impending marriage. Maybe she found Elvis earlier than she said and
is as cold-blooded as her mother. Interesting, but not proof of anything
yet.
> 33. What about the sightings, many by very credible people?
And many by INcredible people. People can see what they want to see, no
matter how intelligent, well-adjusted, or honest they are. Maybe Elvis IS
out there somewhere, more free than he ever was before -- if he is, I wish
him happiness. More likely, though, the sightings are spurious (even
without considering all of the imitators out there...for all we know, one
of these characters, of the right age, is having a great old time playing
pranks on the World by revealing himself as Elvis to occasional people).
Quite a few people have told me that I look a bit like Elvis though, a few
days ago, someone told me I look like a musician (okay, I thought, I know
what's coming...) and then realized who it was -- an amalgam of all four
Beatles. If you ever hear about all four Beatles, including the
alledgedly dead John, being seen at a Mount Rushmore parking lot, you'll
know I'm on a road trip.
> 34. Elvis believed that he was chosen by God for something special. He
> thought he had
> special powers like, hands-on-healing. I think he may have had some
special
> gifts other
> than his voice. Elvis was always studying about religion. He didn't
want to
> take any
> chances when it came to getting into the Kingdom of Heaven.
Acknowledged and irrelevant to your thesis.
> One of his
> favorite books,
> which you will find on display at Graceland now, was The Passover Plot
by Hugh
> Schonfield in 1966. The book is a story of how Jesus may have faked his
death
> and came
> back 16 years later instead of being resurrected. Elvis may have faked
his
> death and
> given up all worldly possessions in an effort to make it into the
Kingdom of
> Heaven.
> Elvis once mentioned to a friend that he would like to become a Monk.
All well and good (Elvis might well have been better off as a monk, but I
don't think he could have done it for too long), but whatever Elvis' views
on the afterlife and the "Passover Plot," it doesn't mean anything
relevant to August 16, 1977.
>After
> August 16,
> 1977, a man dressed as a Monk went into a popular entertainment club.
What a shocker.
> Another
> customer reported that the face under the hood looked remarkably like
Elvis
> Presley. As
> it turns out, the club was owned by a good friend of Elvis'.
Who and where? Quite a few people, especially seen in poor light or under
a hood (especially if the witness is at a club and might even be a bit
tipsy) could pass as vaguely reminiscent of Elvis. Maybe it was Jesse
Garon...maybe he's been in a monastery all these years.
> 35. There were orders by the Presley Estate that no cameras be brought
to the
> funeral.
> However, one of Elvis' relatives, Bobby Mann, managed to sneak one in.
The
> picture he
> took appeared on the front of the National Enquirer. It is evident in
the
> picture that it is
> not Elvis Presley.
Thought we'd gone over this already. It doesn't look like Elvis, but that
doesn't mean it isn't (assuming the picture's real and untouched). This
is evidence that's inconclusive, either way. Whatever the truth, that
Mann character was scum.
> 36. Elvis was pronounced dead at 2:56 PM. Between that time and when
the body > was > viewed the next day, there seemed to be enough time to do
all of the following:
> Autopsy
> and embalming were completed, the body was back at Memphis Funeral Home around
> 8:00 PM, sixteen white limousines were ordered, a white Cadillac hearse was
> readied, a
> specially designed casket was ordered and flown in, a casket blanket of 500 red
> roses was
> made, the security and police were ordered, the tour was canceled, personal
> calls were
> made by Vernon to fan club presidents asking that they not attend, clothing was
> chosen,
> songs were chosen, ministers contacted, the procession planned, and the body
> was put on
> private display by 11:30 the next morning.
Must have been a busy time for everybody.
> 37. Dee Presley, Elvis' stepmother, said she received a call from someone
> sounding like
> Elvis, saying things only Elvis knew.
If you believe what she says, and the things this mystery person said
really are only things that would be between her and Elvis (and NO OTHER
living person), then it's pretty heavy as a piece of evidence. However,
that part about if you believe Dee is a BIG "if"...
If it was around the time of "We Love You Tender" I'm sure Elvis would
have had a thing or two to say to her...that's another thing about all
this "Elvis is alive" theory -- if he is alive, how come it took so many
years before Albert Goldscum bit the big one? I would've killed him back
in 1980-1981 if I were Elvis.
> 38. A picture taken September 23, 1984 shows Muhammad Ali, Reverend Jesse
> Jackson,
> and what appears to be Elvis Presley. When Muhammad Ali was in Fort Worth,
> Texas,
> toward the end of 1989, promoting his cologne, two people showed him the
> picture. As
> reported by the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, Ali identified the man in the picture
> with him
> as "My friend Elvis." Also, in late 1989, a lady showed the picture to Elvis'
> step-brother,
> Billy Stanley. Billy pointed the man out as being Elvis Presley. He said he
> wanted a
> copy of the picture to put on his office wall to prove that Elvis was not a
> racist.
The picture doesn't look like Elvis to me. In comparison, the picture
taken at the pool at Graceland is a masterpiece. Ali has a wicked sense
of humor and also has received a great deal of damage as a resulkt of his
career, which might cause a few synapses to fire wrongly (personally, I
bet he was joking, because it sounds like he's not especially mentally
crosswired, just slowed down a lot). Billy must need new glasses if he
thought the dude in the photo looks like Elvis.
Conclusion: some of the clues are actually quite persuasive (introducing
a little "what if" doubt, at least) and, if nothing else, are entertaining
in the way of the "Paul is dead" thing. As I said before, it wouldn't
terribly surprise me if Elvis DID fake his death, though the reality of it
is that this is a far less parsimonious scenario than him actually dying.
We all wish it weren't so, but it is the more likely of the two outcomes.
As far as the "proof" you claim to possess, if this is it, you have none.
All of this stuff is old news and you didn't even include some of the more
tantalizing evidence I've heard of (whether hoax or not, which is
irrelevant because the same qualification applies to everything you've
written above)...I hope I've demonstrated, even though I'm not familiar
with the details of every little thing on your list, that everything here
has a rational and likely explanation that isn't grounded in any of the
various theories about Elvis' escape from his entrapped existence. If
it's that easy to introduce significant doubt, then it's not proof. Every
thing you mention has an alternate explanation, just as the whole fad
about Elvis faking his death is an alternate explanation to the more
accepted story. If Elvis IS dead, that can be proven...the catch is that
there'll always be somebody who claims that the proof (dental records, or
whatever) is in the hands of people who were in on the whole conspiracy
(sort of like getting the CIA to investigate themselves) so we're bound to
ride this road again...
But what would you expect from me, the guy who extracted Elvis from his
backyard via helicopter that night (and no, it wasn't Buenos Aires...when
he sang "Way Down" he was referring to way, way, down, to Antarctica,
where Jon Burrows is currently working with the US Geological Service
collecting ice core samples and writing his dissertation for a Ph.D. from
the University of Michigan, Kalamazoo).
"To live in the hearts we leave behind is not to die"
Shane
Mar A Hall
Shane--
WELL! Here I go, falling in love with you all over again.
I don't usually bother downloading the stuff that comes along here. I also had
made a silent, but strong, vow not to respond again to ANY of this "Elvis
Lives" stuff, no matter how compelling or irritating. However, when I saw you
were the author, I made an exception.
Well written -- intelligent and witty. I believe your most cogent argument,
summing up the entire silly issue is, "Many discrepancies surrounding Elvis'
death,
undeniably, but that doesn't prove your thesis -- it's also not
surprising, given that there are many discrepancies surrounding Elvis'
LIFE."
Marcia