Elvis vs Michael Jackson: who's really bigger?
Tixx
Michaeh Jackson is the best selling and most sucessful artist in history!!
Here is why!!!
Album sales: 138 million worldwide
Ok name one solo artist that has sold more than that and show me the proof
and I will take that back!!
Dont forget we are going to add another 10-20 million to that figure inthe
next 2 years with the sales of Invincible, which will take the sales to
about 150 + million album sales!! No solo artist has sold that many or wil
sell that many records!!
Ok Now music contracts.... $898 million contract for a 4 album deal...MJ off
top might get about 250-300 million of that!!
I need say nomore!!! MJ is the most sucessful artsit in history!!! Sorry to
day she is telling the truth!!
"> "Feelgoodasmillon" <feelgood...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> > So was liz Taly telling the truth when she said, Michael Jackson, the
most
> > sucessful recording artist in the history of popular music? Yes or no?
> >
> In that category now we are talking quality here he is not even on the
> horizon.
> No one would buy his song book if he has such a thing
>
>
Stephen Bruun
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> Michaeh Jackson is the best selling and most sucessful artist in history!!
>
> Here is why!!!
>
> Album sales: 138 million worldwide
>
> Ok name one solo artist that has sold more than that and show me the proof
> and I will take that back!!
The question was not for "solo artist," but "artist." By that standard, you
can count a performer's solo work as well as any group in which that
performer was a key member.
Also, RCA records claims that Elvis Presley has sold a billion records.
They have, admittedly, been a bit coy about producing documentation to
support that claim.
> Dont forget we are going to add another 10-20 million to that figure inthe
> next 2 years with the sales of Invincible, which will take the sales to
> about 150 + million album sales!! No solo artist has sold that many or wil
> sell that many records!!
It's a bit premature to announce that Invincible will sell 10-20 million
units in the next two years. Even if ALL of Jackson's solo albums have sold
that well in the past (have they?) that is not a guarantee that his work
will continue to sell at that rate. If you don't believe me, all I will say
is "Hootie And The Blowfish."
> Ok Now music contracts.... $898 million contract for a 4 album deal...MJ
off
> top might get about 250-300 million of that!!
Record companies have been burned before. The contract refers to work that
Jackson has not even delivered yet. It's a poor measure of someone's
success to rely on statistics for albums that haven't even been written, let
alone recorded or released. Let's see how they do and then we'll talk
success. If someone signs a billion-dollar recording contract and then dies
in a bus crash on the way home from signing the contract, does that make
them successful?
> I need say nomore!!! MJ is the most sucessful artsit in history!!! Sorry
to
> day she is telling the truth!!
That point remains open to debate.
cHaRrO
greatest icon of all time is Elvis Presley.
Elvis is certainly more intersting because he was the subject of ultimate
contraversy and the Beatles or Jackson were not in this area at all.
Elvis has had 18 No.1 singles in USA, how many has Jackson had?
Elvis has had over 30 No.1 hits between USA and UK beating the Beatles. so
where does Jackson stand here?
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Elvisfan
hoot how many records MJ has sold he does not do anything for me.Elvis
however does.Although I,m pretty sure MJ fans dont give a hoot how many
records Elvis has sold.
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Wonderwall96
debaser
while. Oh, I thought you meant physically bigger!
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Gregor Retkowski
he did not sell 138 million.
i´m not agains MJ but the truth is the thruth
Kathrin
Retkowski
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WiNK
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> Well, Obviously when Elvis died he was bigger. In fact he'd been big for
a
> while. Oh, I thought you meant physically bigger!
> > >
Well, aren't *you* the comedian?? I'm in *stitches.*
Try to get some new material. The "Fat Elvis" joke has been waaaaaay
over-used.
Peach
CatGOD29
>
>Here is why!!!
>
>Album sales: 138 million worldwide
>
working for MJ or MJ himself exaggerates his totals. Michael has claimed
"HIStory" sold twenty million although the truth of the matter is, it really
only sold a fraction of that amount. In the US, it fizzled out after one
million copies - still a decent figure for any artist but the vain MJ. Sales
for rest of the world placed the total world figure (including the US) between
three and five million.
>Ok name one solo artist that has sold more than that and show me the proof
>and I will take that back!!
>
Okay, let's see....
Elvis, sales estimated to be somewhere between 1.5 and 2.0 billion - RCA says
it's over a billion but they're not going to allow you or anyone to examine the
books. And I'll bet you MJ and his record label won't let anyone (other than
the accountants hired to audit) look at the books on his sales either.
Bing Crosby, sales estimated at the time of his death: 800 million.
Paul McCartney (as a solo artist): 250 million. And the representatives for
McCartney, Crosby's estate, McCartney's and Crosby's various labels aren't
going to allow you to look at the book either.
>Dont forget we are going to add another 10-20 million to that figure inthe
>next 2 years with the sales of Invincible, which will take the sales to
>about 150 + million album sales!! No solo artist has sold that many or wil
>sell that many records!!
>
Oh, you have personal income that you're going to use to inflate MJ's total
by 20 million? Why, MJ personally thanks you for giving up that much of your
income for his benefit. Course, it wouldn't surprise me if Miichael bought a
million copies of his own album just so he could have some kind of bragging
rights.
Having said that, I don't think "Invincible" will be the big seller you think
it will be; Michael's 15 minutes of fame - much like his pretentious country
cousin, Garth Brooks, is over.
>Ok Now music contracts.... $898 million contract for a 4 album deal...MJ off
>top might get about 250-300 million of that!!
>
Jackson's contract wasn't for $898 million or any other exaggerated figure
like that. Jackson's deal was renegotiated before the "HIStory" debacle - Sony
gave Jackson an unreasonable amount of money at the time, like Jackson,
counting the phantom millions he was going to sell. Sony didn't even recoup the
money they paid him; they're obligated to pay him the millions agreed to at the
time of the deal. I'm really surprised the deal hasn't wrecked the label but
all that money paid to an artist who's in his mid-40s, whose future releases
are likely to dwindle - Sony will never recoup those losses...maybe they should
sell out to another corporation now.
>I need say nomore!!! MJ is the most sucessful artsit in history!!! Sorry to
>day she is telling the truth!!
>
Delusional....like Michael Jackson.
>
MK
Elvis will always be #1
PLUS! EP Never slept,Touched,FondledLittle Boys.
AND, Never screwed himself up like that Wigger did!
MJ Is nothing but Garbage, and Yeah EP screwed himself up with Prescription
Drugs, BUT!
Who in History (NOONE!) could have ever took EP's touring schedule for what?
For Us Fans He did it all for us. MJ does it for himself and for publicity.
Just look up EP's touring schedules. That makes him more popular and more of
an entertainer than anyone who ever was, or will be.!
ONLY MY 2 CENTS ,,, Not that they mean a lot around here!
Later
MK
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MK
(Laugh My FU#!ing A$$ Off Moaning In Pain!)
Just like those little boys do after MJ's Tootsie Roll is withdrawn!
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but not overall.
.H.
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cHaRrO
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>Those figures also don't take into account that Jackson and Presley aren't
>competing in the same decades. If Elvis had been able to sell his albums
and
>concert tickets for the same price as Jackson, and have the same amount of
>media exposure maybe then we could fairly compare the figures.
>
>--
>Alexandra
>Keeper of Jeremy Piven and John Corbet
>
>Searching for my brother: born Steven Alan Kohler, March 29, 1968 in St.
>Louis, MO
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Stephen Bruun
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> Those figures also don't take into account that Jackson and Presley aren't
> competing in the same decades. If Elvis had been able to sell his albums
and
> concert tickets for the same price as Jackson, and have the same amount of
> media exposure maybe then we could fairly compare the figures.
That argument may apply to Jackson's contract, but that was the only
financial figure offered. Other figures involved things like number of
albums sold. Certainly, when Elvis was recording, there were fewer people
in the world, and thus fewer album buyers. But, to counter that, Elvis has
had 45 years to sell records, longer (I believe) than Jackson has been
alive.
Stephen Bruun
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> The point is its a matter of personal opinion.I dont really give a flying
> hoot how many records MJ has sold he does not do anything for me.Elvis
> however does.Although I,m pretty sure MJ fans dont give a hoot how many
> records Elvis has sold.
The point of who is the "best" artist is certainly a matter of opinion. But
the question was "most successful." Success can be measured objectively,
although there is bound to be disagreement on what standards to use in the
measurement. Album sales? Single sales? Number of platinum records? Chart
figures? Measure sales in dollars or in units sold (putting a $3 Elvis
record against a $17 Jackson CD)?
Opinions aside, SOMEONE has sold more albums than anyone else in history.
In terms of albums, Elvis probably doesn't make it. His big strength was
singles. Consider the "classic albums": Pet Sounds, Sgt. Pepper, Blonde On
Blonde, etc. Is there any Elvis album that has a reputation as being great,
from beginning to end? The fact is that, until the mid-1960s, the album was
not seen as an art form. Artists concentrated on a few great singles, and
then slapped another half dozen filler songs between them to fill up 12
inches of vinyl. That's nothing against the artists - that's just how it
was done in those days. VH1 recently ran a list of the 100 greatest rock
albums, decided by a poll (which, by nature, reflects the general opinion
rather than the opinions of a handful of VH1 executives). The list is still
on VH1's website. The only Presley album to make the cut wasn't an
"original" album at all - it was a compilation of his Sun singles.
Stephen Bruun
> greatest icon of all time is Elvis Presley.
> Elvis is certainly more intersting because he was the subject of ultimate
> contraversy and the Beatles or Jackson were not in this area at all.
The bonfires all over the deep south after "we're bigger than Jesus" wasn't
a controversy? Jackson's child abuse accusations were, I suspect, at least
as controversial as a man's moving hips appearing on television.
> Elvis has had 18 No.1 singles in USA, how many has Jackson had?
>
> Elvis has had over 30 No.1 hits between USA and UK beating the Beatles. so
> where does Jackson stand here?
Battle of the stats again! How many academy awards did Elvis win (he made a
lot of movies). How many other artists have recorded songs that Elvis
wrote? You can't just go by one set of statistics - you have to look at the
whole picture.
Having said that, Elvis was really big. If not the number one artist,
definitely very high up there.
McNeilanA
At least Elvis fans can spell his name right.
Chris Sanders
century award. More importantly Elvis did have a little talent Michael
can write and produce all his own music and he can sing it and perform
it. Evis is just a copy cat of all the other black musicians that came
before him. Michael doesn't have to copy anyone because he can create
his own. ohhhh and anyone who can go through all the negative media
that mike went through wich was way more than elvis and still get a #1
selling album is Invincible.
Baby Strange
>
> Michaeh Jackson is the best selling and most sucessful artist in history!!
> Here is why!!!
>
> Album sales: 138 million worldwide
But does that really mean anything? Album sales are a piss-poor way of
determining who is truly a successful *artist*. By that standard, Britney
Spears, N'Sync, and all of the other teenage crap merchandise out there is
greater, more successful art than singers and musicians who have been
working for decades, making quality music that holds up over time, but don't
sell as many albums.
> Ok name one solo artist that has sold more than that and show me the proof
> and I will take that back!!
Again, who cares about album sales? I notice that Jacko's fans feel the
need to hit everyone over the head with the number of albums he's sold in
order to prove how great he is. That's like saying Kraft Singles are better
cheese than either Brie or Stilton because more of it is sold. By your
standard, Britney Spears is a greater artist than Emmylou Harris, Joni
Mitchell, or possibly even Aretha Franklin.
> Dont forget we are going to add another 10-20 million to that figure inthe
> next 2 years with the sales of Invincible, which will take the sales to
> about 150 + million album sales!! No solo artist has sold that many or wil
> sell that many records!!
If you think "Invincible" will sell 20 million in the next two years, you're
delusional. Even if it does, that doesn't change the fact that it's a crap
album and Jacko's career is done.
> Ok Now music contracts.... $898 million contract for a 4 album deal...MJ
off
> top might get about 250-300 million of that!!
Is Jacko going to have a have a contract at all when this one expires? I
don't think Sony's too happy, after shovelling so much money into an album
that stinks and is dropping off the charts like a bomb.
> I need say nomore!!! MJ is the most sucessful artsit in history!!! Sorry
to
> day she is telling the truth!!
Jacko may have sold the most albums, but if that is your sole definition of
success, you might want to think again. Look at Elvis, or the Beatles (to
keep this on-topic). Elvis has been dead nearly 25 years; people still buy
and listen to his music, and he remains an influential figure in popular
culture. He also had his greatest success in an era when singles
predominated, not albums, and the music-buying public was not as large as it
is now, so trying to compare him to Jacko is like comparing, if not apples
and oranges, oranges and grapefruit. The Beatles broke up thirty years ago,
and all of their albums *still* sell. The songs they recorded are still
heard on the radio, still being covered by other artists, and still remain
influential to new acts. Their songs are truly great--which cannot be said
for catchy fluff like "Billie Jean" or "Beat It," or treacly excrescences
like "Earth Song."
Jacko was pretty amazing as a pop phenomenon back in his "Thriller" and
"Bad" days, but that was a long time ago. Whatever he had then, he doesn't
have now, and the fact that his new album is dull, derivative crap even
after all the time and money and talent thrown at it doesn't help. I'm not
even going to get into his personal life; I don't need to. As an artist,
he's at a dead end, stuck in the '80s. He's a relic, a nostalgia act, and
he hasn't figured that one out yet. He's Gloria Swanson in "Sunset
Boulevard," telling Mr De Mille he's ready for his closeup.
Stephen Bruun
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> Album sales are a piss-poor way of
> determining who is truly a successful *artist*.
You begin treading on thin ice when you start defining "success" using
subjective, immeasurable factors. "Group A is more successful than Group B
because I, personally, like Group A more" doesn't prove much because someone
else prefers Group B.
As an example: I really like the British band XTC. They've been putting out
records since 1977 and they've continued to improve. Their albums generally
sell a hundred thousand copies or so. I'm not a Garth Brooks fan. Nothing
against him as a human being, and nothing against people who enjoy his
music; but I personally do not own any Garth Brooks records, nor do I intend
to. But I readily acknowledge that Brooks is more successful than XTC.
Better? A meaningless question, really, because everyone has their own
tastes in music. But unless you define "success" in some vague, subjective
way that reflects your personal preferences instead of factors that can be
measured empirically, Garth Brooks has enjoyed far more success than XTC.
Album sales are a valid way of determining commercial success. Artistic
merit is something that must be determined by the individual listener. A
musicologist can't talk you into liking a song you hate, or hating a song
you like.
Bigolhomo
Bigolhomo - never heard of the artist of the century award, but I'm sure
it's right up there with the Nobel prize
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Elvis Presley is NAME BRAND, when all the rest are just plain generic...!!!
That just about sums it all up... :)
Sue
EVIL REV
place. With that in mind, my belief is that the Beatles are probably
the only act close to Elvis sales-wise
Emcarru
performance. But please, don't compare him to Elvis Presley. Michael Jackson
is an insecure person who has completely remodeled himself to fit what he
thinks society wants him to look like. He must hate himself. When his
children are older, will he force them to get plastic surgery because he thinks
they are ugly should they look like him. You know, when he actually resembled
a man and HAD a nose on his face? He's a nut. Elvis was definitely eccentric,
and in the end he was downright looney, but you can attribute that to years of
drug abuse. What is Michael's excuse for his ridiculous behavior? I used to
really like him when he was younger, but I've lost all respect for him with his
behavior over the last few years. Especially his "facination" with young boys.
Another thing, Elvis would NEVER be so blatant as Michael was with that HIStory
video CRAP. He'd be embarrassed to promote himself like that.
Michael might have sold more records because his career has been longer than
Elvis' but he's not a "bigger" man than Elvis. He couldn't polish his guitar
strings.
Just my opinion and it ain't gonna change.
lola...@webtv.net
about Elvis. Ted Kopple opened the show saying that Michael Jackson's
Thriller had sold 40 million copies. He said Jackson would have to sell
that many copies every year for the next 20 years to equal the amount of
records Elvis sold. That is counting units sold, which includes singles,
extended play's and albums. It doesn't really matter what the unit is.
It represents a person buying a product of an artist. More people bought
Elvis product than any other artist or group. When Elvis hit it big in
the 50's, the single was king. Albums were really just 1 or 2 singles
surrounded by filler. Elvis had an enormous output in twenty years. He
was on a 3 album a year schedule from 1956 to 1977. So no album was
around and promoted enough to sell mega platinum before the next album
came out. Which is very different then today, with most artists coming
out with an album every 3 to 5 years and the album being filled with
every song a potential single. Everyone of Elvis's albums went at least
gold and many went platinum. If you multiply that by 3 albums a year by
21 years, that's a lot of album sales and that is not counting all the
albums that have come out since his death in 1977, They continued to be
on a 3 album a year schedule from his death up until today.
As far as a three dollar album compared to a 15 dollar CD. You have to
account for inflation. In the 50's an album cost about $3 or $4 I guess,
well, $3 or $4 in the 50's is was probably worth more than $15 in 2001.
Most teenagers and other couldn't afford an album or were unwilling to
pay that much for one, so they bought the single's that they heared on
the radio.
I have read that in his life time Elvis generated 4.6 billion dollars!
That is in 1970's money, Just think how much that is, adjusted in 2001
money! Elvis sold a lot of units. He sold a huge amount of singles, huge
amount of extended play's ( records with 4 to 6 songs on them) and lots
of albums. All together he has sold more units that any other artist or
group.
CatGOD29
>century award.
Yawn! Michael, artist of the century? Yeah, right, like almost every other
award that he's won, he had a hand in the creating of the award - talk about a
self-congratulatory egotist! Michael is not the King of Pop, he's not the
artist of the century and he never could be...
>More importantly Elvis did have a little talent Michael
>can write and produce all his own music and he can sing it and perform
>it.
There's no question Michael "Pedophile" Jackson, a/k/a The Narcissist can
write, produce and sing his own music but he's not known for playing on his
recordings.
Evis is just a copy cat of all the other black musicians that came
>before him.
You really think this this is an impressive argument? And then you have the
nerve to write---
> Michael doesn't have to copy anyone because he can create
>his own.
Most of Michael's music that he's created has borrowed heavily from the
talented roster of songwriters at Motown; he's rarely if ever, come up with
anything completely original. Even recently, someone in another newsgroup heard
a track off his latest album and noted it was an outright theft of a melody
belonging to another act.
Sorry, MJBabies, won't name that act for you to start bombarding with your
whines that MJ is superior or that he'd stoop so low as to borrow the melody of
another.
You know, Michael must be so superior as an artist that he came up with the
idea that those in the media and his lowly minions (his fans) should proclaim
him the King of Pop. Elvis never insisted on being called the King of Rock of
Roll; that was an honor bestowed upon him by the fans. Elvis also never
insisted that the Grammy awards or the American Music Awards give Michael an
award which he himself created and for which there's never been another given
that same award.
Michael Jackson is nothing but a false idol.
ohhhh and anyone who can go through all the negative media
>that mike went through wich was way more than elvis and still get a #1
>selling album is Invincible.
>
Yeah, let's all bow down and worship Pedophile Mikey, who proclaimed his
innocence but settled out of court by paying ten million dollars to that boy's
family. If Michael was innocent, he should've told those making charges against
him to go ahead, take him to court, he'd be proven innocent.
That didn't happen and maybe there were some other little secrets he was
afraid would be exposed or maybe he was afraid he'd end up in prison or worse -
do you know what happens to child molesters in prison?
>
>
>
>
GoodLuckCharm77
>>can write and produce all his own music and he can sing it and perform
>>it.
Grunting, wooooo! Grabbing himself, flicking his leg out, walking backwards,
ohhhhhhh yawn.
>Elvis never insisted on being called the King of Rock of
>Roll
Not to mention, he never really accepted the name "King" he always said there
is only one king. (God)
Deggie
"Raymond Voss" <Raymo...@webtv.net> wrote nothing compared to the King
get your facts straight
Michael Jackson is the most famous, successful and influential artist in the
history of popular music. He is the world's greatest entertainer.
But don't get me wrong: I certainly do NOT hate Elvis. Elvis comes a close
second.
I think Elvis is very talented.
WiNK
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Damn, that was a good read!!!!!! :-) Well said, my friend!
Peach
>
>
max.wurr
context. Elvis has become mythical and his iconography is certainly more
prevalent and ingrained in the collective subconscious than that of Michael
Jackson. To be fair, the best thing Jackson could have done for his career
would have been to die in about 1989. 'Invincible' is weak and
insubstantial however you listen to it, no matter how many exclamation marks
you put after it!!!!!!!!!!!!! See what I mean?
To show my cards, I appreciate Elvis for defining rock and roll, Michael
Jackson for some great great pop tunes and the Beatles for blowing them all
out of the water creatively. But that's just my opinion.
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kassa
> Michael Jackson is the most famous, successful and influential artist in the
> history of popular music.
Name a modern musical act that cites him as a formative influence.
Name an award or recognition that he has gotten in the past 15 years
that has not been self- or fan-club driven.
kassa
Deggie
"kassa" <ka...@eudoramail.com> wrote > Name a modern musical act that cites
him as a formative influence.
Explicitly? Britney, N Sync, Alient Ant Farm, Brandy, Mya, Destiny's child.
> Name an award or recognition that he has gotten in the past 15 years
> that has not been self- or fan-club driven.
2001
Rock and Roll Hall of Fame (Cleveland, USA)
Michael Jackson inducted as a solo artist.
He is the youngest person inducted both as a solo artist, and as a member of
a group (Jackson 5).
2000
World Music Awards (held in Monaco)
Best Selling Pop Male Artist of the Millennium
1999
Bollywood Award (Indian film industry awards)
Outstanding Humanitarian Award
Grammy Hall of Fame Awards
(Honor early recordings of lasting, qualitative or historical significance
released more than 25 years ago)
"I Want You Back" by J5 inducted
Diamond Award
RIAA certification for sales of 10 million units of a single or album in
USA.
Thriller album (MJ youngest male recipient)
1997
Bob Fosse Award
Best Choreography in a Music Video for "Ghosts"
Soul Train Music Awards
renamed the video award in Michael's honor to
"Michael Jackson Award for Best R&B/Soul or Rap Music Video"
Rock and Roll Hall of Fame
Jackson 5 inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland, USA
1996
American Music Awards 3 nominations, 1 award
Favorite Pop/Rock Male Artist of the Year
Blockbuster Entertainment Awards 2 nominations, 1 award
Favorite Pop Male award, "HIStory"
Grammy Awards4 nominations, 1 award
Best Music Video - Short Form: "Scream"
Broadwaychris
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All 'giants'.
Stephen Bruun
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'Invincible' is weak and
> insubstantial however you listen to it, no matter how many exclamation
marks
> you put after it!!!!!!!!!!!!! See what I mean?
To be fair, didn't Elvis once release an entire album of nothing but his
on-stage banter? No music, just on-stage banter.
Baby Strange
though it wasn't. But how can you compare that to an album of new work that
has been years in the making and was hyped as original, innovative and well
worth the wait? "Elvis Having Fun on Stage" (or whatever it was called) was
not presented as an artistic statement, and the folly of it was not
repeated. "Invincible" was meant to blow everyone away and resuscitate
Jacko's career. Yes, the Elvis album you mention was a lame marketing idea
(though some of the Elvis folks may disagree with me on this ;^)), but that
does nothing to change the fact that "Invincible" is simply mediocre and
derivative art.
CatGOD29
>on-stage banter? No music, just on-stage banter.
Colonel Greed released that album on his own label, Boxcar - then RCA for
some strange reason, decided to put it out. From the stories I've heard, Elvis
hated it and was as likely to shoot copies of that album as the TV sets he
shot.
Broadwaychris
actually LISTEN to that crap and worship this oddity .
One is a FREAK who is a celebrity primarily for being a FREAK and the other is
Elvis Presley.
No defense necessary.
CatGOD29
>him as a formative influence.
>
>Explicitly? Britney, N Sync, Alient Ant Farm, Brandy, Mya, Destiny's child.
>
with within the next two or three years. One trouble with current pop artists
today is the fans abandon them as soon as the next big thing is available.
>> Name an award or recognition that he has gotten in the past 15 years
>> that has not been self- or fan-club driven.
>
>2001
>Rock and Roll Hall of Fame (Cleveland, USA)
>Michael Jackson inducted as a solo artist.
>He is the youngest person inducted both as a solo artist, and as a member of
>a group (Jackson 5).
>
overlooking other artists, including some considered more worthy.
I don't consider the Jackson 5 or Michael as solo to be rock and roll but the
R&RHoF's decisions are theirs to make, not mine. The Jacksons in my opinion
were nothing more than the black version of the Osmonds, overpraised as artists
simply because they were on Motown.
>2000
>World Music Awards (held in Monaco)
>Best Selling Pop Male Artist of the Millennium
Allegedly, according to one story which ran at the time, this award was
created by Michael himself - another in the long line of self-congratulatory
awards. And as such, not worth a damn...how can anyone have any respect for
someone who gives himself self-credit when it isn't necessary?
>1999
>Bollywood Award (Indian film industry awards)
>Outstanding Humanitarian Award
He probably bought that award as well.
>
>Grammy Hall of Fame Awards
>(Honor early recordings of lasting, qualitative or historical significance
>released more than 25 years ago)
>"I Want You Back" by J5 inducted
>
But you notice it wasn't for Michael as a solo artist but with his
brothers...Michael's big on families, everyone's but his own!
>Diamond Award
>RIAA certification for sales of 10 million units of a single or album in
>USA.
>Thriller album (MJ youngest male recipient)
>
Um, no, not really - Michael was in his early-40s when the award was created
and given. He might have been young when he recorded the album but saying he
was the youngest male recipient is stretching things. Garth Brooks was and is
younger than Jackson when he received his diamond awards.
>1997
>Bob Fosse Award
>Best Choreography in a Music Video for "Ghosts"
>
I don't this award means much to anyone outside of Jacko freaks and the
Narcissist.
>Soul Train Music Awards
>renamed the video award in Michael's honor to
>"Michael Jackson Award for Best R&B/Soul or Rap Music Video"
>
Another "prestigious" award - Soul Train, like Playboy magazine, is a joke.
>Rock and Roll Hall of Fame
>Jackson 5 inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland, USA
>
But, this is for the group as a whole and not for Michael solo...and you're
repeating yourself slightly.
>1996
>American Music Awards 3 nominations, 1 award
>Favorite Pop/Rock Male Artist of the Year
>
Yes, those AMA awards really mean something when you win them, afterwards
artists try to hide them because the awards are more of an embarrassment.
Michael also won the Favorite Pop/Rock Male Artist of the Year from the
American Medical Association, for enriching the lives of plastic surgeons with
his multiple plastic surgeries as well as the attempt to change Michael into a
white male.
He also won the Mad Scientist's Frankenstein award for Best Freak. He's won
that award every year since the 80s and he may win it for the rest of his life.
>Blockbuster Entertainment Awards 2 nominations, 1 award
>Favorite Pop Male award, "HIStory"
>
Really getting thin here....
>Grammy Awards4 nominations, 1 award
>Best Music Video - Short Form: "Scream"
>
"Pedophile Blues (They Won't Let Me Cruise For Boys)" was the song's real
title.
Marty
Allow me to explain how many awards work in the entertainment
business, when they single someone out to give an award to for an
event, many times it happens to make money,ratings or a combination of
both.
They in essence will say to a celebrity, particularly a major one,
something like this," If you will appear we will make you our
Man/Woman Of The Year or something similar.
In case you didn't read my books, here is a story from them, a
true,factual story. In the very early 70's, the Colonel told Elvis
and us he received a call from the Grammy producer. He told Parker
the Grammy Board of Trustees
wanted to present Elvis with their Annual Trustee Award for his
extraordinary successful career in the music business. They were about
twenty years late. Parker told them that was nice of them. They then
proceeded to tell the Colonel they would like for Elvis to sing at
least one song on the TV Awards Show. Parker then asked what they
intended to pay, they said they don't pay for that. Parker then said
that he did not know whether Elvis would even attend but performing
was out of the question. They said they'd have to reconsider and a
few days later had an underling call back and say they decided against
giving him the award.
At the time I heard the Colonel say this I was one of the main leaders
of The Memphis Music Industry, at a time when we were the third
largest Recoding center in the world. We were strong in the business
as we were cutting hit after hit. A couple of weeks after that I
became a member of the National Board Of Governors of NARAS, the
organization who gives the Grammys. I was one of two Governors from
the Memphis chapter which I co-founded. The next National meeting was
held in Memphis as the method with the organization was to rotate the
meetings in each of the six chapter cities.
At that meeting, I raised hell at their tactics with the Trustee Award
and Elvis. I had an ally in Ron Alexenburg, who at the time was the
senior v.p. of Columbia Records in charge of Epic Records. He also
thought it was shabby and an injustice. I told them I thought it was
a cheap, shabby thing to do. If they thought Elvis deserved the
award, which he definitely earned, they should give it to him, whether
he performs or shows up or not. They said they would take it up in
the executive meeting and report back later. They got pissed at me
for making them look bad but I didn't give a damn.
A few weeks after that, on a Monday morning, I received that week's
issue of Cashbox Magazine, which at the time was the number two music
magazine behind Billboard. There on the inside was a picture of Bobby
Vinton and Allen Klein,
(former Beatles manager), in Elvis' Las vegas dressing room holding
the Trustee Award that they presented to Elvis. I laughed my ass off
because Elvis wasn't in the picture, which tells you what Elvis and
Parker thought of the flimsy gesture after all the other crap.
That's the way these awards work at times. If you show up for us,
we'll give you an award.
You're right about Jackson's actions.
Marty
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Harmony
invading every single music newsgroup. The sickos have been over at
Elton Johns asking who is bigger there too. Boy those freaks must be
insecure. Get out of everyone elses fan pages you dips. The man is a
psycho freak. He has changed and mutilated his face until he looks
like a wax figure. He constantly toots his own horn. Every charity
event is a media event for him. He even made a video that made sure
everyone knew how helpful he was to Ryan White and his family. He is a
Kook. Sorry to you Elvis lovers that you had to be infected by the
likes of these freaks.
Harmony
other persons before you post your own then each time we all look at a
post it will only be your post and easier to read.
Now to you Deggie are you employed with the Micheal Jackson publicity
to go to all the other newsgroups and try and convince them all that
Mickey is the best. I admit that he was very talented as a child and
young adult but now his music is sounding like every song is the same.
He is also mentally ill and I feel sorry for him. It's a shame
everyone is too threatened by his money to tell him to please get
help. I can't wait until his kids grow up and tell the stories of
having him as a father. I just wish there was a way to save them now
before they are ruined by his insanity. He walks around with a mask on
like he will get some terrible disease. He has deformed and ruined his
face. He claims to have some disease that changes his skin color but
the color he uses to fix it is white. He is not white. Why does he
want to be white? His kids have all of this to deal with. Poor
children.
Broadwaychris
>like a wax figure.
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Wax figures everywhere are hanging their heads.