Ginger Alden: evidence on phonecall?
saltillo
have to wonder about a few things. Many people agree that she phoned
the National Enquirer before she called for help for Elvis. I cannot
find the answer to the most obvious question this event raises: How do
we know?? For all I know, she must have been alone in the bedroom, so
on what source is this information based? I'm not implying that
everyone is lying here, I just can't be sure of the truth of this
story just like that.
Another thing that I noticed is that so many people hate Ginger. I
don't know what she did wrong, except not saving someone's life who
didn't want to be saved in the first place. But even if she didn't
behave faultless, she was only 20 or so at the time.
As for her grownup mother, if she really did sue the estate to get her
mortgage paid, that's an unbelievable disgusting thing to do,
especially to Vernon, who's own health wasn't great at the time
either.
Scott
"saltillo" <oldsa...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Lately I've read all messages here concerning Ginger Alden, and I just
> have to wonder about a few things. Many people agree that she phoned
> the National Enquirer before she called for help for Elvis. I cannot
> find the answer to the most obvious question this event raises: How do
> we know?? For all I know, she must have been alone in the bedroom, so
> on what source is this information based? I'm not implying that
> everyone is lying here, I just can't be sure of the truth of this
> story just like that.
It was some memphis police officer I think that proved it by checking
the phone records with the phone company. I don't know who asked him to
check on it, I think it may have been Billy Smith,...Marty could tell us.
She also called her mother. I could be wrong about it being a Memphis Police
officer,...It's in the book 'Revelations Of The Memphis Mafia,' and I think
it's been mentioned in a few other books as well.
> Another thing that I noticed is that so many people hate Ginger. I
> don't know what she did wrong, except not saving someone's life who
> didn't want to be saved in the first place. But even if she didn't
> behave faultless, she was only 20 or so at the time.
She wasn't well liked by a lot of Elvis's family and friends. According
to several reports she seemed like she was only interested in the prestiege
of dating him and the gifts from Elvis, but rarely showed any real feelings
for him. He would have to beg her to go on tours with him.
> As for her grownup mother, if she really did sue the estate to get her
> mortgage paid, that's an unbelievable disgusting thing to do,
> especially to Vernon, who's own health wasn't great at the time
> either.
She did. It was in the papers.
Scott
J.B. van der Zee
Nothing to say? In an interview with British journalist David Frost she did
have something to say.
J.B.
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EProudMary
Hi,
Dick Grob head of security checked everything out before he wrote his bookThe
'Elvis Conspiracy'
She not only phoned the Enquirer, I believe it was twice but I may be wrong,she
also phoned her mother before calling for help. Soon after she was
interviewed by them which was the purpose for the delay.Could Elvis have been
helped as she prepared herself for this,her 15 minutes of fame ??
Mary
Bill Burk
the National Enquirer before she called for help for Elvis. I cannot
find the answer to the most obvious question this event raises: How do
we know?? For all I know, she must have been alone in the bedroom, so
on what source is this information based? >>
Yes. How DO we know? Checking phone records of that day might have proven
"A" call was made, Graceland to National Enquirer, but phone records would
not show from WHICH PHONE (and there was more than one at Graceland with the
same #) the call was made.
2. On first reading that report, and once or twice more over the years, I
asked the "Elvis" contacts at the National Enquirer and they assure me
Ginger was NOT the one who made the call, though they have never said who it
was.
>> Another thing that I noticed is that so many people hate Ginger. I
don't know what she did wrong, except not saving someone's life who
didn't want to be saved in the first place. But even if she didn't
behave faultless, she was only 20 or so at the time. >>
I felt then, as strongly as I feel now, that Ginger was a very young, tender
girl who was in WAY over her head in a strange (to her) environment and she
didn't know how to handle it.
>> As for her grownup mother, if she really did sue the estate to get her
mortgage paid, that's an unbelievable disgusting thing to do,
especially to Vernon, who's own health wasn't great at the time
either. >>
Mrs. Alden DID file suit in Probate Court to have her mortgage paid by the
Elvis estate, based on Elvis' reportedly verbal promise that he would pay
off her mortgage. With nothing more than E's verbal assurance, Judge Joe
Evans tossed the case out.
Then Scott: >> According
to several reports she seemed like she was only interested in the prestiege
of dating him and the gifts from Elvis, . . . >>
There's REALLY more to it than that, but I don't feel comfortable getting
into that in public.
Then, JB v/d Zee: >> I kinda like Ginger from what I've seen of her in
docu's.
Nothing to say? In an interview with British journalist David Frost she did
have something to say. >>
You have to admire Ginger in that in the 24 years since Elvis' death, she's
gone out and made a life for herself without leaning on Elvis' name or
association.
I, too, was among those interviewed by David Frost that year and at the end
of a week of interviewing 18 Elvis friends, David came to me on EP Blvd. on
16 August of that year and told me, "Of all the people who I interviewed
while here, you gave me the most honest answers."
David had scheduled me for 30 minutes of interviewing, but was so enthused
at my honest answers he asked could I do another 30 (= 60) ... and then
ANOTHER 30 ( = 1 1/2 HOURS), forgetting completely he had George Klein
waiting in the lobby to come before his cameras after I left.
But then, due to some heavy political pressure from Todd Slaughter, English
fan club president, I got completely edited out of the Frost film since it
was, actually, a promotion for the British fan club.
One "might" say Slaughter does not think well of me. I can live with that.
Have for 17 years.
Next, Proud Mary: >> Dick Grob head of security checked everything out
before he wrote his book, "The 'Elvis Conspiracy," She not only phoned the
Enquirer, I believe it was twice but I may be wrong,she also phoned her
mother before calling for help. >>
If Grob DID "check everything out before he wrote his book," that's very
surprising to me because there were a ton of things in that book that didn't
hold up to scrutiny.
For one, in those days, you couldn't trace a LOCAL phone call (and I
verified this with Ma Bell's head here in MEM). But you're right, Ginger
DID call her mother that morning. At exactly WHAT point, none of us really
knows.
NOT meaning to be "hateful" to anyone in what I have written here; Just
interested, as always, in laying the FACTS on the table.
007
--
******************
Bill E. Burk
Publisher, Elvis World Magazine
Tony
day.Supposedly,some of
Elvis' people cornered the reporter and he more or less,said it was
Ginger.
Moono123
>of a week of interviewing 18 Elvis friends, David came to me on EP Blvd. on
>16 August of that year and told me, "Of all the people who I interviewed
>while here, you gave me the most honest answers."
>
That's funny, Frost said the same thing to Billy and I.
Marty
Jumpsuit Boy
called for help. That sounds more like a snide remark that someone made
that evolved in to a rumor.
Craig
The Craig Newell ELVIS Stage Show in Las Vegas
http://community.webtv.net/CRAIG2001DJ/THECRAIGNEWELLELVIS
Bill Burk
Then Frost spoke with forked-FORKED tongue, eh?
007
Moono123
Evidently that was his standard bullshit.
Marty
Roby - Italy
Thanks ...
Roby, Milano, Italia
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joan harkness
.H.
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estate stopped her from doing it. How they could do that I don't know.
.H.
Bill Burk wrote in message ...
Jimbo
would love to see an in-depth interview with....
There was little "snipets" of interviews here & there,but I want to see
a real sit down,no holds barred interview........
I believe she has a lot of information to share,regarding Elvis...and I
would be interested in her view/opinion of certain matters.....
Jim
Bill Burk
the
estate stopped her from doing it. How they could do that I don't know.
.H. >>
The estate cannot stop Ginger from writing a book. Pure & simple.
Roby: >> Please what is a "mortgage paid" ? >>
A mortgage is a loan on the house. Paid mortgage would be to pay off the
loan.
Jimbo: >> Over the years...I have always said, Ginger Alden is the one
person,I
would love to see an in-depth interview with.... >>
You may not have to wait all that much longer.
Tw. Ros
You have to pay mortgage when you buy a house....it's comparable with paying
rent.
Saundra
be nice to think we're among friends here. I see nothing wrong with Roby
asking us about English words or terms. For not being his native tongue, I
think he, and many others here do very well.
Ask anytime, Roberto.
Saundra
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Jason Leacock
>
>
Ginger Alden is like Elvis...an enigma.She's kept out of the spotight
more then any other major player of that whole Elvis scene.I mean how
many women can lay claim to being ingaged to Elvis Presley?Didnt the
king give her an ingagement ring valued at close to a hundred grand?I
wounder if she even sees anyone else who were in some way or form
involved with mr Presley?...Ill bet she doesnt.I mean look at it, she
was only a few years removed from playing with barbie dolls when she got
involved with Elvis.Like someone wrote earlier"she was in wayyyyyy over
her head".I've read that many people thought she was an airhead,but i'll
bet she was just wayyyy too darn naive.Even today i think she's only in
her mid-forties...maybe 47??I would love to see an interview with
her.For the stories and also to try to get a read on what kind of person
she is.She must of done something right cause ol Eee seemed 'smitten
with dat kitten'...
Jason
Tw. Ros
Roby - Italy
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Roby - Italy
I really appreciate it.
Yes you're right I guess My English is pretty good but I'm not much as you
wrote in strange terms.
Specially I can't get a damn thing when people start "slanging" here.
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Luuk
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> joan harkness wrote:
> >
> >
>
>
> Ginger Alden is like Elvis...an enigma.She's kept out of the spotight
> more then any other major player of that whole Elvis scene.I mean how
> many women can lay claim to being ingaged to Elvis Presley?Didnt the
> king give her an ingagement ring valued at close to a hundred grand?I
> wounder if she even sees anyone else who were in some way or form
> involved with mr Presley?...Ill bet she doesnt.I mean look at it, she
> was only a few years removed from playing with barbie dolls when she got
> involved with Elvis.Like someone wrote earlier"she was in wayyyyyy over
> her head".I've read that many people thought she was an airhead,but i'll
> bet she was just wayyyy too darn naive.Even today i think she's only in
> her mid-forties...maybe 47??I would love to see an interview with
> her.For the stories and also to try to get a read on what kind of person
> she is.She must of done something right cause ol Eee seemed 'smitten
> with dat kitten'...
>
> Jason
Years ago there was a film on TV and one of the actresses was a real lovely
sweet woman. So I waited for the end credits to find out who she was. It was
Ginger Alden!
Seems the king and I have the same taste for women.
As for chosing friends I am more carefull.
regards,
Luuk
Saundra
just my way of saying I saw nothing wrong with him asking us here. I've
always found English-to-language dictionaries to be somewhat confusing and
quite time-consuming. Had I been Roby, I would have asked here too. English
being the difficult language that it is, I just don't think those
dictionaries fully explain our words and their correct usage. Didn't mean to
offend if I did.
Saundra
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Saundra
let me know and I will explain. I think we Americans are so used to
"slanging", that we don't even realize we're doing it. Believe it or not,
people in one part of our country do not always understand people from
another part of the country when they speak in slang. So, it's not just you!
Saundra
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LuckyMitzi
>offend if I did.
>Saundra
Relax Saundra,you're among friends.
Lucky
Saundra
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Moono123
>As for chosing friends I am more carefull.
>regards,
>Luuk
>
In your dreams imbecile.
there is nothing about you that comes close to being the same as Elvis.
Marty
Jimbo
told,that she was not welcome at Graceland,anymore?
How was Ginger treated by Priscilla?...we have all heard, Priscilla
would not allow Linda Thompson, to fly with her to Memphis,aboard the
"Lisa Marie"....
And as far as Lisa Marie...I can understand her being kept away
from,virtually all of the people associated with Elvis,when she was
young....but....now as a grown woman,does she have any contact with
these people ? ...... One would think,she would have something to say,
whether good or bad....They were/are, a part of her life.......
Jim
joan harkness
couple years ago and then nothing.
.H.
Jimbo wrote in message
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>couple years ago and then nothing.
>
>.H.
>
That is one book I would buy!
Chuck
EProudMary
>"A" call was made, Graceland to National Enquirer, but phone records would
>not show from WHICH PHONE (and there was more than one at Graceland with the
>same #) the call was made.
>
How many women were in the house that morning? Maybe Mary Jenkins did it? C'mon
Bill,you know Ginger was showered dressed and completely made up before she
called downstairs for help.Waiting for her interview. It was remarked that
Elvis was dead for hours by then. By when???? .Perhaps he was but who knows
what time Miss Ginger awoke? I repeat ,could he have been helped? Everyone
agrees if it was Linda was there instead of Ginger,he might have been .
Mary
joan harkness
time to speculate or lay blame.
.H.
EProudMary wrote in message
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Bill Burk
>> >day might have proven
>"A" call was made, Graceland to National Enquirer, but phone records would
>not show from WHICH PHONE (and there was more than one at Graceland with
the
>same #) the call was made.
>
Ah yes but the receiver of the call had indentified the caller only as a
woman. >>
If we're going to cut/paste my comments, let's not do it piecemeal. Here's
what I fully wrote:
>> . How DO we know? Checking phone records of that day might have proven
"A" call was made, Graceland to National Enquirer, . . . >>
MIGHT HAVE. I've never said "a" phone call WAS made from Graceland to NE
that day. I truly suspicion there was.
Then I went on to say: >> On first reading that report, and once or twice
more over the years, I asked the "Elvis" contacts at the National Enquirer
and they assure me Ginger was NOT the one who made the call, though they
have never said who it was.>>
I need to clarify this slightly. The NE people told me there WAS phone
call to them, but that it did not come from Graceland; it did come from
Memphis.
Then Proud Mama concludes: >> Everyone agrees if it was Linda was there
instead of Ginger,he might have been . >>
Just as everyone agrees had the pilgrims killed a cat, instead of a turkey,
for that first Thanksgiving dinner . . .
I have to agree with Joan H, who answered this by saying: >> when it comes
to that morning it is all about "what if's". it is a waste of time to
speculate or lay blame.>>
A question I am often asked when making talks to Elvis conventions around
the world:
Q: Don't you agree had Priscilla not left Elvis, he would be alive today?
I mean, WHO can answer such a question?
Bill Burk
told,that she was not welcome at Graceland,anymore? >>
Jimbo, we're forcing my memories back almost 24 years here, but I am 99%
certain Ginger and her mother, and maybe even a sister or two, WERE ... AT
... the house the night of the funeral -- meaning 18 August 1977 p.m. and
Elvis was buried earlier that day . . . and I remember Linda telling me how
sorry she felt for the Aldens because no one talked to them.
It would not at all surprise me they were told not to come back after that.
007
IISergioII
more then any other major player of that whole Elvis scene.<
Personally I've always thought she was the best-looking of Elvis's
girlfriends who've been identified in public.
In 2nd place I'd have to place that blonde who Elvis is literally playing
tongue-tag with, apparently in a dim hallway, seen in a B&W photo from 1956.
Yummy . . .
Rover
Nerak312
>From: "Bill Burk" beb...@worldnet.att.net
>Date: 6/24/01 10:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <dwxZ6.6297$C81.6...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
>
>Jimbo >> Any truth to the story,that after the Funeral, Ginger was politely
>told,that she was not welcome at Graceland,anymore? >>
>
>Jimbo, we're forcing my memories back almost 24 years here, but I am 99%
>certain Ginger and her mother, and maybe even a sister or two, WERE ... AT
>... the house the night of the funeral -- meaning 18 August 1977 p.m. and
>Elvis was buried earlier that day . . . and I remember Linda telling me how
>sorry she felt for the Aldens because no one talked to them.
>
>It would not at all surprise me they were told not to come back after that.
>
>007
What were their reasons for not talking to the Aldens? Did Vernon not like
Ginger? She was very young at the time is the only reason I can come up with...
Women that age going with an older man is usually after one thing.... Money
honey... Men are so naieve, but do they really care as long as they have that
young thing on their arm... They live and learn unfortunately...
My niece Amanda is having surgery
this morning at 9:00a.m... Please keep the prayers going... Thanks... :)
Sincerely,
Sue
saltillo
>
> Yes. How DO we know? Checking phone records of that day might have proven
> "A" call was made, Graceland to National Enquirer, but phone records would
> not show from WHICH PHONE (and there was more than one at Graceland with the
> same #) the call was made.
> >
> don't know what she did wrong, except not saving someone's life who
> didn't want to be saved in the first place. But even if she didn't
> behave faultless, she was only 20 or so at the time. >>
>
> I felt then, as strongly as I feel now, that Ginger was a very young, tender
> girl who was in WAY over her head in a strange (to her) environment and she
> didn't know how to handle it.
>
> verified this with Ma Bell's head here in MEM). But you're right, Ginger
> DID call her mother that morning. At exactly WHAT point, none of us really
> knows.
>
> NOT meaning to be "hateful" to anyone in what I have written here; Just
> interested, as always, in laying the FACTS on the table.
>
> 007
Yes, mister Burk, that's the right attitude. Almost 25 years after
Elvis' death, it's about time for us all to develop something of a
serious scholarly attitude. Besides of nailing down facts, this would
also include to establish what we can never be sure of. For instance,
Red West believes Vernon never talked to Elvis about his drug
addiction. He may be right here, but as Vernon would probably not have
told anyone about what he and his son did discuss in private, we
cannot entirely exclude the possibility that Vernon DID talk to Elvis
about this.
Saltillo
JJDahlen
in his shoes.
I have known the Aldens for many years, and the bottom line is that almost
NOTHING you have read about them is true.
Anyone recall reading about how Dick Grob faked his military record? He was
nothing more than a CLERK-TYPIST IN THE RESERVES! So all the medals he bragged
about, the Distinguished Flying Cross, the Purple Heart, were FALSE, as are his
stories about Ginger. Those guys were jealous of Elvis' attention to Ginger,
and Elvis told Ginger NOT to talk to the guys but to ignore them. He was
planning on getting rid of them. He told Ginger, "These guys are not my
friends. They wouldn't be here except for their paycheck."
And you're right, there is NO evidence she ever called anyone at the National
Enquirer. What confused some people is that she had a friend who FORMERLY
worked at the Enquirer but had RETURNED TO COLLEGE. The Aldens finally tracked
him down, and he backs Gingers story that she called NOBODY except her mother
BEFORE she found Elvis, and NOBODY else afterwards.
Elvis wanted them to have the house, and if she sued the estate, I have
absolutely no problem with that. The estate is about as greedy as you could
possibly get. Yet word is that neither Priscilla or Lisa EVER tip their
hairdresser! How cheesy is that?
JJDahlen
and Elvis was trying to get her close to him, to cuddle a little bit. She
stuck out her tongue and he playfully did the same thing back to her. I think
it's in Alfred Wertheimer's book. He was there and took the photograph.
JJDahlen
Don't you know Ginger never took her makeup OFF when she slept with Elvis?
She wasn't "all showered." She was ALREADY MADE UP!
What is it about rumors that make otherwise intelligent people believe
everything they read?
freddd...@gmail.com
> Lately I've read all messages here concerning Ginger Alden, and I just
> have to wonder about a few things. Many people agree that she phoned
> find the answer to the most obvious question this event raises: How do
> we know?? For all I know, she must have been alone in the bedroom, so
> everyone is lying here, I just can't be sure of the truth of this
> story just like that.
> Another thing that I noticed is that so many people hate Ginger. I
> don't know what she did wrong, except not saving someone's life who
> didn't want to be saved in the first place. But even if she didn't
> behave faultless, she was only 20 or so at the time.
>
nol...@hotmail.com
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IMHO,zilla ruined Lisa Marie by enrolling Lisa in the Scientology cult-nothing more than a place to leave her daughter, while zilla chose to jump from bed to bed with many 'John's" giving away Elvis jewelry and other possessions to her bed partners- these belong to Lisa Marie, rightfully. Lisa and her children are in my prayers.
