Very few solar panels on new houses

[Commander Kinsey]

I noticed some new houses being built, all with environmental shit, like solar panels, water reclamation from gutters etc. But why do they have only 3 or 4 panels when the roof could hold about 12?

[%]

how many did the costumer buy

[Commander Kinsey]

On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 22:25:56 +0100, Andy Burns <use...@andyburns.uk> wrote:

> Very little incentive to have any at all now that the feed-in/bribery
> tariff has ended.

That's what I would have thought, but these houses are only a couple of years old. None I could understand, loads I could understand, but not a few on each roof.

[Peeler]

On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 21:35:36 +0100, Birdbrain Macaw (aka "Commander Kinsey",
"James Wilkinson", "Steven Wanker","Bruce Farquar", "Fred Johnson, etc.),
the pathological resident idiot and attention whore of all the uk ngs,
blathered again:

<FLUSH the abnormal sociopathic attention whore's latest idiotic
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with sense Kill filed him ages ago which is why he now cross posts to
the US groups for a new audience.
This thread was unusual in that it derived and continued without him
to a large extent and his silly questioning is an attempt to get
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--
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You have been presented with a viewpoint with information, reasoning,
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--
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[Commander Kinsey]

On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 22:48:40 +0100, Andy Burns <use...@andyburns.uk> wrote:

> Commander Kinsey wrote:
>

>> Andy Burns wrote:
>>
>>> Very little incentive to have any at all now that the feed-in/bribery
>>> tariff has ended.
>>
>> That's what I would have thought, but these houses are only a couple of
>> years old.
>

> FIT ended (for new installs) 31st March 2019.

I wasn't aware it was a different date for new installs. I tried to get some on my existing house 5 years ago and just missed it.

However, if the bribery had ended, why did they install any at all? Is there some silly regulation saying they have to have a small number?

And these houses would have been completed before 31st March 2019.

[Rod Speed]

"Commander Kinsey" <CFKi...@military.org.jp> wrote in message
news:op.z2zf2...@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...

Likely that's all they could afford after paying for the
house or all they could get someone to lend them.

[Rod Speed]

"Commander Kinsey" <CFKi...@military.org.jp> wrote in message

news:op.z2zge...@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...

> On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 22:48:40 +0100, Andy Burns <use...@andyburns.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>
>>> Andy Burns wrote:
>>>
>>>> Very little incentive to have any at all now that the feed-in/bribery
>>>> tariff has ended.
>>>
>>> That's what I would have thought, but these houses are only a couple of
>>> years old.
>>
>> FIT ended (for new installs) 31st March 2019.
>
> I wasn't aware it was a different date for new installs. I tried to get
> some on my existing house 5 years ago and just missed it.
>
> However, if the bribery had ended, why did they install any at all?

Likely because it can still be worth doing without the bribe

[Commander Kinsey]

On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 22:59:47 +0100, trader_4 <tra...@optonline.net> wrote:

> One factor could be that the output per panel has gone up over
> time. They were ~200W a decade ago, new ones are ~300W. But still
> 3 or 4 would be only 1200W, not even enough to equal what a typical house
> uses. And you'd think that some of the cost is fixed, ie putting in
> 12 isn't going to cost 3 times what it costs to put in 4, so if it's
> undersized, the economics is worse.

Agreed - you might aswell make as much use of the roof space as you can. And so what if you generate more than the house uses? There are houses that don't generate anything. And once we all use electric cars, we'll need a hell of a lot more.

It also seems damn stupid to build an estate of 50 houses and put 1.2kW on each roof, instead of 2.4kW on half the roofs, with a much lower installation cost.

[Commander Kinsey]

On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 23:03:17 +0100, Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> "Commander Kinsey" <CFKi...@military.org.jp> wrote in message
> news:op.z2zge...@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
>> On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 22:48:40 +0100, Andy Burns <use...@andyburns.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>
>>>> Andy Burns wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Very little incentive to have any at all now that the feed-in/bribery
>>>>> tariff has ended.
>>>>
>>>> That's what I would have thought, but these houses are only a couple of
>>>> years old.
>>>
>>> FIT ended (for new installs) 31st March 2019.
>>
>> I wasn't aware it was a different date for new installs. I tried to get
>> some on my existing house 5 years ago and just missed it.
>>
>> However, if the bribery had ended, why did they install any at all?
>
> Likely because it can still be worth doing without the bribe

If it's worth installing a few, why isn't it worth installing the full roof area?

[Commander Kinsey]

On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 23:08:06 +0100, trader_4 <tra...@optonline.net> wrote:

> You don't even say where this is. The rebates, tax incentives, payments
> for electric you generate, vary widely, state by state.

Sorry I thought you knew I lived in the UK.

> I agree though that a small number doesn't make sense, assuming it's not
> enough to cover the energy usage of the house.

Irrelevant, you can always make more and it just goes into the grid.

> Which again gets to where
> it's located. If it's FL and they need heavy AC it's going to be higher
> energy needed than someplace more moderate.

Irrelevant, you can always make more and it just goes into the grid.

[Commander Kinsey]

On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 23:11:50 +0100, Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> "trader_4" <tra...@optonline.net> wrote in message
> news:943fe1dc-72cb-4890...@googlegroups.com...

>> One factor could be that the output per panel has gone up over
>> time. They were ~200W a decade ago, new ones are ~300W. But still
>> 3 or 4 would be only 1200W, not even enough to equal what a typical house
>> uses. And you'd think that some of the cost is fixed, ie putting in
>> 12 isn't going to cost 3 times what it costs to put in 4, so if it's
>> undersized, the economics is worse.
>

> And he's in scotland which isnt great for solar insulation in winter
> or even in summer.

WTF is solar insulation?

[Commander Kinsey]

On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 23:12:31 +0100, trader_4 <tra...@optonline.net> wrote:

> On Thursday, June 6, 2019 at 6:04:40 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 22:59:47 +0100, trader_4 <tra...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>
>> > On Thursday, June 6, 2019 at 5:45:33 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 22:25:56 +0100, Andy Burns <use...@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> I noticed some new houses being built, all with environmental shit, like
>> >> >> solar panels, water reclamation from gutters etc. But why do they have
>> >> >> only 3 or 4 panels when the roof could hold about 12?
>> >> >
>> >> > Very little incentive to have any at all now that the feed-in/bribery
>> >> > tariff has ended.
>> >>
>> >> That's what I would have thought, but these houses are only a couple of years old. None I could understand, loads I could understand, but not a few on each roof.
>> >
>> > One factor could be that the output per panel has gone up over
>> > time. They were ~200W a decade ago, new ones are ~300W. But still
>> > 3 or 4 would be only 1200W, not even enough to equal what a typical house
>> > uses. And you'd think that some of the cost is fixed, ie putting in
>> > 12 isn't going to cost 3 times what it costs to put in 4, so if it's
>> > undersized, the economics is worse.
>>
>> Agreed - you might aswell make as much use of the roof space as you can. And so what if you generate more than the house uses? There are houses that don't generate anything. And once we all use electric cars, we'll need a hell of a lot more.
>

> I think in the above you're assuming that you get paid a decent rate on
> the excess, which may not be true. You may only get wholesale rate,
> which makes it economically unviable.

Surely you'll make at least roughly what you save by making your own for what you use?

>> It also seems damn stupid to build an estate of 50 houses and put 1.2kW on each roof, instead of 2.4kW on half the roofs, with a much lower installation cost.
>

> And do what with the owners? One owner produces the power, is subject
> to the costs and benefits, the other is just another power system
> customer.

Different people might want it or not.

> They do have large solar arrays that are on businesses
> or just on acres of land, generating power for the grid.

Yes I know someone who did that on his farm, filling an entire field, but it was only economically viable because of a subsidy.

[Peeler]

On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 08:03:17 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

>
> Likely because it can still be worth doing without the bribe

What are you two clinically insane idiots now quarrelling about again? <BG>

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[Peeler]

On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 08:01:26 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent

Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the two clinically insane nutter's latest bullshit>


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Senile Rodent: " Did you ever dig a hole to bury your own shit?"

Birdbrain: "I do if there's no flush toilet around."

Senile Rodent: "Yeah, I prefer camping like that, off by myself with
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[Rod Speed]

"Commander Kinsey" <CFKi...@military.org.jp> wrote in message

news:op.z2zgy...@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...

> On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 22:59:47 +0100, trader_4 <tra...@optonline.net>
> wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, June 6, 2019 at 5:45:33 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 22:25:56 +0100, Andy Burns <use...@andyburns.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> I noticed some new houses being built, all with environmental shit,
>>> >> like
>>> >> solar panels, water reclamation from gutters etc. But why do they
>>> >> have
>>> >> only 3 or 4 panels when the roof could hold about 12?
>>> >
>>> > Very little incentive to have any at all now that the feed-in/bribery
>>> > tariff has ended.
>>>
>>> That's what I would have thought, but these houses are only a couple of
>>> years old. None I could understand, loads I could understand, but not a
>>> few on each roof.
>>
>> One factor could be that the output per panel has gone up over
>> time. They were ~200W a decade ago, new ones are ~300W. But still
>> 3 or 4 would be only 1200W, not even enough to equal what a typical house
>> uses. And you'd think that some of the cost is fixed, ie putting in
>> 12 isn't going to cost 3 times what it costs to put in 4, so if it's
>> undersized, the economics is worse.

> Agreed - you might aswell make as much use of the roof space as you can.

Problem is the cost of that.

> And so what if you generate more than the house uses?

You've obviously wasted your money.

> There are houses that don't generate anything. And once we all use
> electric cars, we'll need a hell of a lot more.

But it makes a lot more sense to use nukes for that.

> It also seems damn stupid to build an estate of 50 houses and put 1.2kW on
> each roof, instead of 2.4kW on half the roofs, with a much lower
> installation cost.

But that approach isnt viable. No one is going to
pay for the cost of doing it on someone else's roof.

[Rod Speed]

"Commander Kinsey" <CFKi...@military.org.jp> wrote in message

news:op.z2zh8...@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...

> On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 23:03:17 +0100, Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "Commander Kinsey" <CFKi...@military.org.jp> wrote in message
>> news:op.z2zge...@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
>>> On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 22:48:40 +0100, Andy Burns <use...@andyburns.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Andy Burns wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Very little incentive to have any at all now that the feed-in/bribery
>>>>>> tariff has ended.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's what I would have thought, but these houses are only a couple
>>>>> of
>>>>> years old.
>>>>
>>>> FIT ended (for new installs) 31st March 2019.
>>>
>>> I wasn't aware it was a different date for new installs. I tried to get
>>> some on my existing house 5 years ago and just missed it.
>>>
>>> However, if the bribery had ended, why did they install any at all?
>>
>> Likely because it can still be worth doing without the bribe
>
> If it's worth installing a few, why isn't it worth installing the full
> roof area?

Because when you are buying a new house, you normally have
a problem getting someone to lend you that much money and
even if you can do that, you still have to pay for it eventually.

And when you no longer get bribed to have solar
panels, there is no point in being able to generate
more than you can actually use yourself.

It isnt even worth sizing the panels so they will always
be able to generate what you use yourself in the worst
weather with fuck all solar insulation available, it makes
makes more sense to buy from the grid in those conditions.

[Rod Speed]

"Commander Kinsey" <CFKi...@military.org.jp> wrote in message

news:op.z2zia...@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...

But when you are paid fuck all for what goes into the grid
it makes no sense to be paying a lot more for the panels.

>> Which again gets to where it's located. If it's FL and they need heavy
>> AC it's going to be higher energy needed than someplace more moderate.

> Irrelevant, you can always make more and it just goes into the grid.

But when you are paid fuck all for what goes into the grid
it makes no sense to be paying a lot more for the panels.

[Rod Speed]

"Commander Kinsey" <CFKi...@military.org.jp> wrote in message

news:op.z2zib...@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...

The amount of sun falling on the panels.

[Rod Speed]

"Commander Kinsey" <CFKi...@military.org.jp> wrote in message

news:op.z2zie...@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...

Nope, the electricity supplier doesn't pay you anything
like what you pay them for the electricity.

>>> It also seems damn stupid to build an estate of 50 houses and put 1.2kW
>>> on each roof, instead of 2.4kW on half the roofs, with a much lower
>>> installation cost.
>>
>> And do what with the owners? One owner produces the power, is subject
>> to the costs and benefits, the other is just another power system
>> customer.
>
> Different people might want it or not.

But the owner of the house with the panels on it may
well not be able to afford the double panel installation.

[Peeler]

On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 09:03:59 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent

Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the two prize idiots' latest idiotic drivel unread>

--
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Birdbrain and Rodent Speed:

Birdbrain: "You beat me to it. Plain sex is boring."

Senile Rodent: "Then fuck the cats. That wont be boring."

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[Peeler]

On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 09:05:52 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent

Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH trollshit>

...and much better air in here again!

--
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"Shit you're thick/pathetic excuse for a troll."
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[Peeler]

On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 09:09:24 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent

Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the two clinically insane prize idiots' latest bullshit>

...and nothing's left!

--
Another typical retarded "conversation" between the two resident idiots:

Birdbrain: "But imagine how cool it was to own slaves."

Senile Rodent: "Yeah, right. Feed them, clothe them, and fix them when
they're broken.
After all, you paid good money for them. Then you've got to keep an eye
on them all the time."

Birdbrain: "Better than having to give them wages on top of that."

Senile Rodent: "Specially when they make more slaves for you
and produce their own food and clothes."

MID: <fvlcdc...@mid.individual.net>

[Peeler]

On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 08:57:41 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent

Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

> Problem is the cost of that.

The one problem here is that BOTH of you are clinically insane idiots and
attention whores!

--
Typical retarded "conversation" between the Scottish wanker and the senile
Ozzietard:

Birdbrain: "Horse shit doesn't stink."

Senile Rodent: "It does if you roll in it."

Birdbrain: "I've never worked out why, I assumed it was maybe meateaters
that made stinky shit, but then why does vegetarian human shit stink? Is it
just the fact that we're capable of digesting meat?"

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[Peeler]

On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 09:06:36 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent

Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH another load of the two clinically insane idiots' usual bullshit>

...and nothing's left, again!


--
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Birdbrain from August 26th:

Birdbrain: "I have one head but 5 fingers."

Senile Rodent: "Obvious lie. You hairy legged cross dressers are so inbred
that you all have two heads."

Birdbrain: "You're the one that likes hairy legs remember?"

Senile Rodent: "The problem isnt the hairy legs, it's the gross inbreeding
that
produces two headed unemployables like you."

Birdbrain: "So why did you mention hairy legs?"

Senile Rodent: "Because that's what those who arent actually stupid enough
to shave their legs have."

Birdbrain: "You only have hairy legs if both of the following are true:
1) You're quite far back on the evolutionary scale.
2) You haven't learned what a razor is for."

Senile Rodent: "Only a terminal fuckwit or a woman shaves their legs."

Birdbrain: "There is literally zero point in having hair all over your
body."

Senile Rodent: "There is even less point in wasting your time changing what
you are born with."

MID: <fugfg5...@mid.individual.net>

[Commander Kinsey]

If it costs more to install them than you gain, why put any in at all?

>> And so what if you generate more than the house uses?
>
> You've obviously wasted your money.

The national grid buys it.

>> There are houses that don't generate anything. And once we all use
>> electric cars, we'll need a hell of a lot more.
>
> But it makes a lot more sense to use nukes for that.

Then why have solar at all?

>> It also seems damn stupid to build an estate of 50 houses and put 1.2kW on
>> each roof, instead of 2.4kW on half the roofs, with a much lower
>> installation cost.
>
> But that approach isnt viable. No one is going to
> pay for the cost of doing it on someone else's roof.

Some folk want solar because they're "green" or think they can make money out of it, some won't want it at all. Makes sense to have some houses each way.

[Commander Kinsey]

On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 23:58:46 +0100, Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> "trader_4" <tra...@optonline.net> wrote in message

> news:3f1415e7-adbe-408e...@googlegroups.com...

>> You don't even say where this is. The rebates, tax incentives,
>> payments for electric you generate, vary widely, state by state.
>

> He isnt even in the USA.

You'd think he'd remember that.

[Rod Speed]

"Commander Kinsey" <CFKi...@military.org.jp> wrote in message

news:op.z2zku...@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...

It likely didn't at the time they did it, before the bribe stopped.

> why put any in at all?

Indeed.

>>> And so what if you generate more than the house uses?
>>
>> You've obviously wasted your money.
>
> The national grid buys it.

But pays fuck all for it once the bribe is gone.

>>> There are houses that don't generate anything. And once we all use
>>> electric cars, we'll need a hell of a lot more.
>>
>> But it makes a lot more sense to use nukes for that.
>
> Then why have solar at all?

Because they are too stupid to do what makes sense.

But also the house owner can do solar panels, but not a personal nuke.

>>> It also seems damn stupid to build an estate of 50 houses and put 1.2kW
>>> on each roof, instead of 2.4kW on half the roofs, with a much lower
>>> installation cost.

>> But that approach isnt viable. No one is going to
>> pay for the cost of doing it on someone else's roof.

> Some folk want solar because they're "green"

Yep, some are that stupid but that's unlikely to be the
reason all those houses have solar panels unless some
fool greeny is the designer/builder of those houses.

> or think they can make money out of it,

They could before the bribes stopped.

> some won't want it at all. Makes sense to have some houses each way.

Clearly that operation chose not to do it that way.

Sam with the rain water catchments.

[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 06 Jun 2019 22:45:45 +0100, "Commander

I would wait until I saw someone working in the yard, and I'd ask him.

If I never saw anyone, I'd ring the doorbell and ask.

If you do these things nicely, people are happy to talk.

[Peeler]

On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 19:53:04 -0400, micky, another mentally challenged,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blathered:

> I would wait until I saw someone working in the yard, and I'd ask him.
>
> If I never saw anyone, I'd ring the doorbell and ask.
>
> If you do these things nicely, people are happy to talk.

Yeah, senile idiot, just like when he asks retarded questions, you senile
idiots will THANKFULLY run along and feed him! <BG>

[Peeler]

On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 09:43:57 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent

Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

> Yep, some are that stupid

There are hardly any people as stupid as you two clinically insane prize
idiots!

--

[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 06 Jun 2019 19:53:04 -0400, micky

I read the thread and it's all speculation. Right off the bat, I can
think of two times I stopped to ask a homeowner a question.

One time it was an old house on what's left of the old road from
Baltimore to Harrisburg**. He talked for 5 minutes and then invited me
to come back and he'd show me the inside of the house.

**It's not labeled like that. You have to figure it out.


Another time I was interested in the coal-miner strike in Harlan Co.
Kentucky, and I picked a guy at random in a pretty suburban n'hood, the
first guy I picked, and his father was one of the strikers and he
remembered a lot of details. He talked to me for about 20 minutes.


Smile, introduce yourself, make it clear you're just curious (not a tax
assessor, bill collector, politician, or whoever get's the bum's rush in
Scotland.)

[Bob F]

Nope. That's insolation.

[Bob F]

You know this for every supplier in the world?

[Bob F]

Tell that to the companies that do exactly that.

"free solar panels

If you’ve been shopping around for a solar panel system, you’ve probably
heard at least one company advertise ‘free solar panels’ – that they
will install a solar energy system on your roof for free. But, much as
with anything, remember that there is no such thing as a free lunch (or
a free solar panel).

Free solar panels pure energies

Examples of companies advertising ‘free solar panels’

Decoding the sales pitch: The term ‘free solar panels’ is sometimes used
to advertise solar lease or solar power purchase agreements (PPAs).

Under both types of arrangements, a company will put solar panels on
your roof for no money up-front, but will charge you for the electricity
that they produce.

Most offers will save you money but not all of them, so make sure you’ve
thoroughly compared all your options. Also consider buying the solar
panels or financing them with a zero-down solar loan.

free solar panels
What do companies mean when they say free solar panels?

So what do a company’s marketers and salespeople mean when they say
‘free solar panels’? Usually, they are referring to solar leases and
power purchase agreements (PPA’s). Under these solar financing
arrangements, a solar company will put a solar system on your roof at no
up-front cost to you. This sounds great – you get to say that your home
is powered by clean energy, and can even point to the solar panels on
your roof to prove it.

But the reality is that you do not technically own the system, and the
solar energy the panels produce is not free. Under solar lease
agreements, ownership is retained by the solar company, and you pay for
the electricity it produces. In essence, the company has built a small
power plant on your roof and is selling you the electricity."

[Rod Speed]

"Bob F" <bobn...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:qdcjrs$ini$1...@dont-email.me...

That’s not one house owner paying for the panels on a neighbours house.

[F Murtz]

On 07/06/19 08:51, Peeler wrote:
> On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 08:03:17 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
> Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:
>
>
>>
>> Likely because it can still be worth doing without the bribe
>

Flush

[F Murtz]

[F Murtz]

[F Murtz]

[F Murtz]

On 07/06/19 09:23, Peeler wrote:
> On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 08:57:41 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
> Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:
>
>> Problem is the cost of that.
>

flush

[F Murtz]

On 07/06/19 09:59, Peeler wrote:
> On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 09:43:57 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
> Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:
>
>
>> Yep, some are that stupid
>

flush

[F Murtz]

On 07/06/19 07:48, Peeler wrote:
> On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 21:35:36 +0100, Birdbrain Macaw (aka "Commander Kinsey",
> "James Wilkinson", "Steven Wanker","Bruce Farquar", "Fred Johnson, etc.),
> the pathological resident idiot and attention whore of all the uk ngs,
> blathered again:
>
> <FLUSH

[F Murtz]

[Peeler]

On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 14:03:43 +1000, F Murtz, the known notorious troll-lover,
made an ass of himself again:

Oh, look! The KNOWN twisted troll-lover from Oz tries to stand up for his
beloved trolls again ...by making an ass of himself, again! LMAO

[Peeler]

On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 14:01:55 +1000, F Murtz, the notorious troll-lover from
Oz, made an ass of himself again:

[Peeler]

On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 13:09:49 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent

Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

>> Tell that to the companies that do exactly that.
>
> That’s not one house owner paying for the panels on a neighbours house.

Isn't it, you pathological "argumentative asshole"? <BG>

--
Sqwertz to Rot Speed:
"This is just a hunch, but I'm betting you're kinda an argumentative
asshole.
MID: <ev1p6ml7ywd5$.d...@sqwertz.com>

[Peeler]

On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 14:02:24 +1000, F Murtz, the known notorious troll-lover

from Oz, made an ass of himself again:

>> On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 08:57:41 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
>> Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:
>>
>>> Problem is the cost of that.
>>
> flush

[Peeler]

On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 14:02:53 +1000, F Murtz, the notorious troll-lover from
Oz, made an ass of himself again:

>>> Yep, some are that stupid
>>
> flush

Oh, look! The KNOWN twisted troll-lover from Oz tries to stand up for his

beloved trolls again ...by making an ass of himself, as usual! LMAO

[Peeler]

On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 14:04:08 +1000, F Murtz, the notorious troll-lover from

Oz, made an ass of himself again:

>> On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 09:06:36 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
>> Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:
>>
>> <FLUSH

Oh, look! The KNOWN twisted troll-lover from Oz tries to stand up for his

beloved trolls again ...by making an ass of himself, again! LMAO

[Broadback]

Boring!

[Peeler]

On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 14:01:31 +1000, F Murtz, the notorious troll-lover from
Oz, made an ass of himself again:

>> On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 08:01:26 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
>> Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:
>>
>> <FLUSH
>>

[Peeler]

On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 14:00:06 +1000, F Murtz, the notorious troll-lover from
Oz, made an ass of himself again:

>>> Likely because it can still be worth doing without the bribe
>>
> Flush

Oh, look! Fartz, the NOTORIOUS troll-lover tries to stand up for his beloved

[Peeler]

On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 14:00:26 +1000, F Murtz, the known notorious troll-lover

from Oz, made an ass of himself again:

>> On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 09:03:59 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent

>> Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:c
>>
>> <FLUSH

Oh, look! The KNOWN twisted troll-lover tries to stand up for his beloved
trolls again ...by making an ass of himself, as usual! LMAO

[Peeler]

On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 09:32:46 +0100, Broadback, another troll-lover, babbled:

>> Oh, look! The KNOWN twisted troll-lover from Oz tries to stand up for his
>> beloved trolls again ...by making an ass of himself, again! LMAO
>>
> Boring!

All necessary and hard lessons are always considered to be so, senile
troll-lover! ;-)

[devnull]

The US does it with healthcare and many other things.  Taxpayers are forced to pay for the lazy welfare democrat's medical expenses.

Taxpayers are also forced to pay for unwed welfare mom's 6 kids.

And if the socialist democrats like Ocasio-Kotex get their way, taxpayers will really get hosed.

[devnull]

On 6/6/19 10:57 PM, Bob F wrote:
> If you’ve been shopping around for a solar panel system, you’ve probably heard at least one company advertise ‘free solar panels’ – that they will install a solar energy system on your roof for free. But, much as with anything, remember that there is no
> such thing as a free lunch (or a free solar panel).

According to the democrats, everything is free.  Just send the bill to the taxpayers.

[Reentrant]

On 06/06/2019 21:35, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> I noticed some new houses being built, all with environmental shit, like
> solar panels, water reclamation from gutters etc.  But why do they have
> only 3 or 4 panels when the roof could hold about 12?

Are you sure they are solar electric panels? If there's only 3 or 4 they
are more likely to be solar thermal - ie to heat water directly.

--
Reentrant

[Commander Kinsey]

On Fri, 07 Jun 2019 00:09:24 +0100, Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> "Commander Kinsey" <CFKi...@military.org.jp> wrote in message

> news:op.z2zie...@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
>> On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 23:12:31 +0100, trader_4 <tra...@optonline.net>
>> wrote:

>>
>>> On Thursday, June 6, 2019 at 6:04:40 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 22:59:47 +0100, trader_4 <tra...@optonline.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > On Thursday, June 6, 2019 at 5:45:33 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> >> On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 22:25:56 +0100, Andy Burns <use...@andyburns.uk>
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >>

>>>> >> > Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >> I noticed some new houses being built, all with environmental
>>>> >> >> shit, like
>>>> >> >> solar panels, water reclamation from gutters etc. But why do they
>>>> >> >> have
>>>> >> >> only 3 or 4 panels when the roof could hold about 12?
>>>> >> >

>>>> >> > Very little incentive to have any at all now that the
>>>> >> > feed-in/bribery
>>>> >> > tariff has ended.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> That's what I would have thought, but these houses are only a couple
>>>> >> of years old. None I could understand, loads I could understand, but
>>>> >> not a few on each roof.
>>>> >
>>>> > One factor could be that the output per panel has gone up over
>>>> > time. They were ~200W a decade ago, new ones are ~300W. But still
>>>> > 3 or 4 would be only 1200W, not even enough to equal what a typical
>>>> > house
>>>> > uses. And you'd think that some of the cost is fixed, ie putting in
>>>> > 12 isn't going to cost 3 times what it costs to put in 4, so if it's
>>>> > undersized, the economics is worse.
>>>>
>>>> Agreed - you might aswell make as much use of the roof space as you can.

>>>> And so what if you generate more than the house uses? There are houses

>>>> that don't generate anything. And once we all use electric cars, we'll
>>>> need a hell of a lot more.
>>>

>>> I think in the above you're assuming that you get paid a decent rate on
>>> the excess, which may not be true. You may only get wholesale rate,
>>> which makes it economically unviable.
>>
>> Surely you'll make at least roughly what you save by making your own for
>> what you use?
>
> Nope, the electricity supplier doesn't pay you anything
> like what you pay them for the electricity.

But since usage per house is very variable, even a few panels will be giving it to the grid half the time. Virtually nobody uses electricity continuously, it tends to be in spurts.

>>>> It also seems damn stupid to build an estate of 50 houses and put 1.2kW
>>>> on each roof, instead of 2.4kW on half the roofs, with a much lower
>>>> installation cost.
>>>

>>> And do what with the owners? One owner produces the power, is subject
>>> to the costs and benefits, the other is just another power system
>>> customer.
>>
>> Different people might want it or not.
>
> But the owner of the house with the panels on it may
> well not be able to afford the double panel installation.

Fuck all cost compared to the whole house.

[Commander Kinsey]

[Commander Kinsey]

[Peeler]

On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 14:33:46 +0100, Reentrant, another brain dead,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blathered:

> Are you sure they are solar electric panels?

The only thing he is absolutely sure of in his pathetic wanker's life is
that he can make an appearance on these groups any time he feels like it
and bait the senile participants with the dumbest "questions" that cross
his mind, time and again! <BG>

[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 07 Jun 2019 16:15:51 +0100, "Commander

Kinsey" <CFKi...@military.org.jp> wrote:

>
>>
>> Nope, the electricity supplier doesn't pay you anything
>> like what you pay them for the electricity.
>
>But since usage per house is very variable, even a few panels will be giving it to the grid half the time. Virtually nobody uses electricity continuously, it tends to be in spurts.

If you want to know, you will have to ask them.

[Commander Kinsey]

I can see them clearly enough to notice the PV pattern. Thermal ones look entirely different.

[Commander Kinsey]

That thieving shit happens in the UK too. All left wing politicians should be immediately jailed for stealing money. I have no kids, yet pay for the education of others. I never use a library, yet I somehow fund them. I pay for sick people to be repaired, even if I never go to a doctor. This is just plain wrong. I don't object to charities - if you want to give money to charity, do so, but don't force every single person in the country to give money to causes they don't believe in.

[Brian Gaff]

Of course by the time the mortgage was paid the panels would be dead and
gone, hopefully replaced by better ones or maybe not needed any more due to
either human race being wiped out or everyone having a fusion reactor at
home.
Brian

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"Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:gltkin...@mid.individual.net...

>
>
> "Commander Kinsey" <CFKi...@military.org.jp> wrote in message

> news:op.z2zh8...@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
>> On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 23:03:17 +0100, Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com>

>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Commander Kinsey" <CFKi...@military.org.jp> wrote in message

>>> news:op.z2zge...@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
>>>> On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 22:48:40 +0100, Andy Burns <use...@andyburns.uk>

>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Andy Burns wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Very little incentive to have any at all now that the
>>>>>>> feed-in/bribery
>>>>>>> tariff has ended.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's what I would have thought, but these houses are only a couple
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> years old.
>>>>>

>>>>> FIT ended (for new installs) 31st March 2019.
>>>>
>>>> I wasn't aware it was a different date for new installs. I tried to
>>>> get
>>>> some on my existing house 5 years ago and just missed it.
>>>>
>>>> However, if the bribery had ended, why did they install any at all?

>>>
>>> Likely because it can still be worth doing without the bribe
>>

>> If it's worth installing a few, why isn't it worth installing the full
>> roof area?
>
> Because when you are buying a new house, you normally have
> a problem getting someone to lend you that much money and
> even if you can do that, you still have to pay for it eventually.
>
> And when you no longer get bribed to have solar
> panels, there is no point in being able to generate
> more than you can actually use yourself.
>
> It isnt even worth sizing the panels so they will always
> be able to generate what you use yourself in the worst
> weather with fuck all solar insulation available, it makes
> makes more sense to buy from the grid in those conditions.
>
>>>> Is there some silly regulation saying they have to have a small number?
>
>>>> And these houses would have been completed before 31st March 2019.
>
>

[Commander Kinsey]

Surely if I buy a new house with solar on the roof, the builder has paid for the panels and it's included in the cost of the house?

> And when you no longer get bribed to have solar
> panels, there is no point in being able to generate
> more than you can actually use yourself.
>
> It isnt even worth sizing the panels so they will always
> be able to generate what you use yourself in the worst
> weather with fuck all solar insulation available, it makes
> makes more sense to buy from the grid in those conditions.

Agreed - so why have any panels on them at all? Clearly the builder decided it was a good idea to have a few, so why not more? Either each panel makes more than it costs, or it doesn't.

[Commander Kinsey]

I wonder if the treehuggers have ever worked out how much plastic is involved in creating these useless things. They could perhaps charge up a golf kart, but they certainly don't make a meaningful amount of electricity. Solar panels are for remote areas like Africa, outer space, etc. I once sent some students off to study primates in Africa with a solar panel. It powered a couple of laptops. Not a house.

[Peeler]

On Fri, 07 Jun 2019 11:52:30 -0400, micky, another brain dead,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blathered again:

>> giving it to the grid half the time. Virtually nobody uses electricity
>> continuously, it tends to be in spurts.
>
> If you want to know, you will have to ask them.

No shit, troll-feeding senile idiot! <BG>

[Commander Kinsey]

On Fri, 07 Jun 2019 03:46:18 +0100, Bob F <bobn...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 6/6/2019 4:09 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Commander Kinsey" <CFKi...@military.org.jp> wrote in message

>> news:op.z2zie...@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
>>> On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 23:12:31 +0100, trader_4 <tra...@optonline.net>

>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thursday, June 6, 2019 at 6:04:40 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 22:59:47 +0100, trader_4 <tra...@optonline.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > On Thursday, June 6, 2019 at 5:45:33 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey
>>>>> wrote:

>>>>> >> On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 22:25:56 +0100, Andy Burns

>>>>> <use...@andyburns.uk> >> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> > Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>> >> >

>>>>> >> >> I noticed some new houses being built, all with environmental
>>>>> >> >> shit, like
>>>>> >> >> solar panels, water reclamation from gutters etc. But why do
>>>>> they >> >> have
>>>>> >> >> only 3 or 4 panels when the roof could hold about 12?
>>>>> >> >

>>>>> >> > Very little incentive to have any at all now that the >> >
>>>>> feed-in/bribery
>>>>> >> > tariff has ended.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> That's what I would have thought, but these houses are only a

>>>>> couple >> of years old. None I could understand, loads I could
>>>>> understand, but >> not a few on each roof.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > One factor could be that the output per panel has gone up over
>>>>> > time. They were ~200W a decade ago, new ones are ~300W. But still
>>>>> > 3 or 4 would be only 1200W, not even enough to equal what a
>>>>> typical > house
>>>>> > uses. And you'd think that some of the cost is fixed, ie putting in
>>>>> > 12 isn't going to cost 3 times what it costs to put in 4, so if it's
>>>>> > undersized, the economics is worse.
>>>>>
>>>>> Agreed - you might aswell make as much use of the roof space as you

>>>>> can. And so what if you generate more than the house uses? There

>>>>> are houses that don't generate anything. And once we all use
>>>>> electric cars, we'll need a hell of a lot more.
>>>>

>>>> I think in the above you're assuming that you get paid a decent rate on
>>>> the excess, which may not be true. You may only get wholesale rate,
>>>> which makes it economically unviable.
>>>
>>> Surely you'll make at least roughly what you save by making your own
>>> for what you use?
>>

>> Nope, the electricity supplier doesn't pay you anything
>> like what you pay them for the electricity.
>>

>>>>> It also seems damn stupid to build an estate of 50 houses and put
>>>>> 1.2kW on each roof, instead of 2.4kW on half the roofs, with a much
>>>>> lower installation cost.
>>>>

>>>> And do what with the owners? One owner produces the power, is subject
>>>> to the costs and benefits, the other is just another power system
>>>> customer.
>>>
>>> Different people might want it or not.
>>
>> But the owner of the house with the panels on it may
>> well not be able to afford the double panel installation.
>>

>>>> They do have large solar arrays that are on businesses
>>>> or just on acres of land, generating power for the grid.
>>
>>> Yes I know someone who did that on his farm, filling an entire field,
>>> but it was only economically viable because of a subsidy.
>

> You know this for every supplier in the world?

Well if you live in the desert maybe you can actually make real money instead of stealing it from the taxpayer. But in most places, solar panels are next to useless unless you want to charge up a couple of AA batteries.

[Commander Kinsey]

On Fri, 07 Jun 2019 03:44:24 +0100, Bob F <bobn...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 6/6/2019 4:06 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Commander Kinsey" <CFKi...@military.org.jp> wrote in message

>> news:op.z2zib...@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
>>> On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 23:11:50 +0100, Rod Speed
>>> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "trader_4" <tra...@optonline.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:943fe1dc-72cb-4890...@googlegroups.com...

>>>>> On Thursday, June 6, 2019 at 5:45:33 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 22:25:56 +0100, Andy Burns <use...@andyburns.uk>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >> I noticed some new houses being built, all with environmental shit,
>>>>>> >> like
>>>>>> >> solar panels, water reclamation from gutters etc. But why do they
>>>>>> >> have
>>>>>> >> only 3 or 4 panels when the roof could hold about 12?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Very little incentive to have any at all now that the
>>>>>> feed-in/bribery
>>>>>> > tariff has ended.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's what I would have thought, but these houses are only a
>>>>>> couple of
>>>>>> years old. None I could understand, loads I could understand, but
>>>>>> not a
>>>>>> few on each roof.
>>>>>
>>>>> One factor could be that the output per panel has gone up over
>>>>> time. They were ~200W a decade ago, new ones are ~300W. But still
>>>>> 3 or 4 would be only 1200W, not even enough to equal what a typical
>>>>> house
>>>>> uses. And you'd think that some of the cost is fixed, ie putting in
>>>>> 12 isn't going to cost 3 times what it costs to put in 4, so if it's
>>>>> undersized, the economics is worse.
>>>>

>>>> And he's in scotland which isnt great for solar insulation in winter
>>>> or even in summer.
>>>
>>> WTF is solar insulation?
>>
>> The amount of sun falling on the panels.
>
> Nope. That's insolation.

I wondered WTF he was on about. Insulating a solar panel from the sun is the last thing you want to do. And he says spelling is unimportant....

[Rod Speed]

"devnull" <dev...@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
news:LYqKE.3166$wk6...@fx42.iad...

But not with houses and solar panels, for a reason.

> Taxpayers are forced to pay for the lazy welfare democrat's medical
> expenses.

Corse there are never ever any lazy repugs with medical expenses, or vets
etc eh ?

Or repug businesses or farmers etc.

> Taxpayers are also forced to pay for unwed welfare mom's 6 kids.

And for all those grunts fucking over various foreign countrys.

> And if the socialist democrats like Ocasio-Kotex get their way, taxpayers
> will really get hosed.

They already are, to pay for all those grunts fucking over all those foreign
countrys.

[Rod Speed]

"Commander Kinsey" <CFKi...@military.org.jp> wrote in message

news:op.z20so...@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...

I'm not convinced that it is that variable except in
the sense that some have a lot more people in them
than others and some have fools that are actually
stupid enough to spend the winter in shorts and
a T shirt when inside their house etc and you
wouldn't normally do that with the solar panels.

> even a few panels will be giving it to the grid half the time.

Don't buy that in the wilds of scotland in the winter.

> Virtually nobody uses electricity continuously,

Those who heat the house electrically or use a heat pump do.

> it tends to be in spurts.

Irrelevant to whether twice the size panel would sell houses there.

That's what its about. It looks like those places were 'designed'
to appeal to stupid greenys without fucking the price too much.

>>>>> It also seems damn stupid to build an estate of 50 houses and put
>>>>> 1.2kW on each roof, instead of 2.4kW on half the roofs, with a much
>>>>> lower installation cost.

>>>> And do what with the owners? One owner produces the power, is subject
>>>> to the costs and benefits, the other is just another power system
>>>> customer.

>>> Different people might want it or not.

>> But the owner of the house with the panels on it may
>> well not be able to afford the double panel installation.

> Fuck all cost compared to the whole house.

But with house prices so high now, most will be finding it
hard to find someone who will lend them what they need
to buy the house and so the optional stuff like a double sized
panel will be what doesn't make the cut to get the loan even
if it does make economic sense in the long term. I doubt that
the double sized panel would make economic sense in the
long term in scotland. Bet it would make more sense to
out that money into shares instead.

[%]

i like how you always know a guy who knows a guy that worked for a guy
who's father's brother did something

[Peeler]

On Sat, 8 Jun 2019 04:35:53 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent

Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

>> But since usage per house is very variable,
>
> I'm not convinced that

Of course not, you ridiculous auto-contradicting senile idiot!

<FLUSH the rest of your usual self-opinionated senile drivel unread again>

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[Peeler]

On Sat, 8 Jun 2019 03:58:18 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent

Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

>> The US does it with healthcare and many other things.
>
> But not with

Of COURSE not, you auto-contradicting senile asshole! LOL

<FLUSH the rest of your usual senile blather unread again>

Kerr-Mudd,John addressing senile Rot:
"Auto-contradictor Rod is back! (in the KF)"
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[Rod Speed]

"Commander Kinsey" <CFKi...@military.org.jp> wrote in message

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Corse it is, but with twice the panel size, the price of the
house would have to be higher and so fewer would find
someone prepared to lend them the money to buy it,
particularly when the double panel house wouldn't
actually be valued by the bank much if any higher.

>> And when you no longer get bribed to have solar
>> panels, there is no point in being able to generate
>> more than you can actually use yourself.

>> It isnt even worth sizing the panels so they will always
>> be able to generate what you use yourself in the worst
>> weather with fuck all solar insulation available, it makes
>> makes more sense to buy from the grid in those conditions.

> Agreed - so why have any panels on them at all?

Because with the power generated in the best weather that
electricity will in theory cost you less than buying it from the grid.

I havent done the calculations for scotland but it wouldn't
surprise me its actually better to not have any solar panels
and to put that money in shares or a mutual fund instead.
That would likely end up with a better result after say 20 years.

But with those new houses its even more iffy because the
bulk of those buying those houses would have to borrow
the money for the panels.

> Clearly the builder decided it was a good idea to have a few, so why not
> more?

Looks like that builder decided to have competitive
advantage by having some low cost green shit like
a few solar panels and the rainwater recycling hoping
that there would be enough stupid greenys around
who would buy his houses instead of his competitors
houses and would be too stupid to actually calculate
if it made sense to do the house that way instead of
spending that money on bigger rooms etc.

It would be interesting to see if that approach worked for the
builder and if there are enough stupid greenys that stupid there.

> Either each panel makes more than it costs, or it doesn't.

Its nothing like that simple when the choice is to spend
that money on stupid stuff like solar panels in scotland
or to have a better house like bigger rooms or a decent
double garage for your cars etc.

[Rod Speed]

Commander Kinsey <CFKi...@military.org.jp> wrote

> I wonder if the treehuggers have ever worked out how much plastic is
> involved in creating these useless things.

Not much with solar panels, its mostly metal and the panels
themselves which don't involve much plastic at all.

> They could perhaps charge up a golf kart, but they certainly don't make a
> meaningful amount of electricity.

Specially in winter in scotland. They likely would do the lights
and electronics in summer, particularly if they have a decent
battery so that it works once its dark, but given that they
have so few panels, likely they don't have a battery at all.

> Solar panels are for remote areas like Africa, outer space, etc.

They are marginally viable here on houses without any subsidy
or FIT but don't produce as good a return as the stock market
or mutual funds, which is why I don't have any myself.

> I once sent some students off to study primates in Africa with a solar
> panel. It powered a couple of laptops. Not a house.

We do use them to power quite a bit of stuff like the irrigation gates etc.
And the remote repeaters where it costs lots to run a power line to them.

Couple of the houses here have a pair of massive great tracking arrays and
they would certainly power the house fine but wouldn't have been cheap.
One of those house has a massive great steel fence right around it so that
bugger clearly doesn't have any shortage of money. Bet its marijuana money.

[Peeler]

On Sat, 8 Jun 2019 05:13:38 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent

Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

> Couple of the houses here have a pair of massive great tracking arrays and
> they would certainly power the house fine but wouldn't have been cheap.
> One of those house has a massive great steel fence right around it so that
> bugger clearly doesn't have any shortage of money. Bet its marijuana money.

Telling us more of the stories you saw on TV in your old people's home,
lonely senile Rodent?

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[Peeler]

On Sat, 8 Jun 2019 04:54:34 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent

Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH 104 !!! lines of the two prize idiots' endless drivel unread again>

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[Commander Kinsey]

On Fri, 07 Jun 2019 20:13:38 +0100, Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Commander Kinsey <CFKi...@military.org.jp> wrote
>
>> I wonder if the treehuggers have ever worked out how much plastic is
>> involved in creating these useless things.
>
> Not much with solar panels, its mostly metal and the panels
> themselves which don't involve much plastic at all.

Metal frame, but the main part is surely plastic? Or is it glass? That would be rather fragile.

>> They could perhaps charge up a golf kart, but they certainly don't make a
>> meaningful amount of electricity.
>
> Specially in winter in scotland. They likely would do the lights
> and electronics in summer, particularly if they have a decent
> battery so that it works once its dark, but given that they
> have so few panels, likely they don't have a battery at all.
>
>> Solar panels are for remote areas like Africa, outer space, etc.
>
> They are marginally viable here on houses without any subsidy
> or FIT but don't produce as good a return as the stock market
> or mutual funds, which is why I don't have any myself.

Way more efficient to have huge arrays of panels on farms etc.

>> I once sent some students off to study primates in Africa with a solar
>> panel. It powered a couple of laptops. Not a house.
>
> We do use them to power quite a bit of stuff like the irrigation gates etc.
> And the remote repeaters where it costs lots to run a power line to them.
>
> Couple of the houses here have a pair of massive great tracking arrays and
> they would certainly power the house fine but wouldn't have been cheap.
> One of those house has a massive great steel fence right around it so that
> bugger clearly doesn't have any shortage of money. Bet its marijuana money.

And the problem with that would be?

[%]

it's DOPE

[Commander Kinsey]

If I was the builder I would have covered some roofs completely and put none on others. Different sorts of folk would buy each home.

>>> And when you no longer get bribed to have solar
>>> panels, there is no point in being able to generate
>>> more than you can actually use yourself.
>
>>> It isnt even worth sizing the panels so they will always
>>> be able to generate what you use yourself in the worst
>>> weather with fuck all solar insulation available, it makes
>>> makes more sense to buy from the grid in those conditions.
>
>> Agreed - so why have any panels on them at all?
>
> Because with the power generated in the best weather that
> electricity will in theory cost you less than buying it from the grid.

2 days a year in Scotland then.

> I havent done the calculations for scotland but it wouldn't
> surprise me its actually better to not have any solar panels
> and to put that money in shares or a mutual fund instead.
> That would likely end up with a better result after say 20 years.

Agreed.

> But with those new houses its even more iffy because the
> bulk of those buying those houses would have to borrow
> the money for the panels.

Agreed again.

>> Clearly the builder decided it was a good idea to have a few, so why not
>> more?
>
> Looks like that builder decided to have competitive
> advantage by having some low cost green shit like
> a few solar panels and the rainwater recycling hoping
> that there would be enough stupid greenys around
> who would buy his houses instead of his competitors
> houses and would be too stupid to actually calculate
> if it made sense to do the house that way instead of
> spending that money on bigger rooms etc.

Good point.

> It would be interesting to see if that approach worked for the
> builder and if there are enough stupid greenys that stupid there.

All those houses sold very quickly compared to other schemes. I don't know what the price of the homes was though.

>> Either each panel makes more than it costs, or it doesn't.
>
> Its nothing like that simple when the choice is to spend
> that money on stupid stuff like solar panels in scotland
> or to have a better house like bigger rooms or a decent
> double garage for your cars etc.

Way too many new houses being built around here without enough drive space. Cars parked on the bloody street in the way of everyone. In fact a woman I know had her brand new £30K car smashed up because she parked it very badly taking up two spaces, which were shared for the whole street. Someone put bricks through every single window. Her insurance refused to pay out the full amount, said it was her own fault!

[Bob F]

On 6/6/2019 8:09 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
>
>
> "Bob F" <bobn...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:qdcjrs$ini$1...@dont-email.me...

>> On 6/6/2019 3:57 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Commander Kinsey" <CFKi...@military.org.jp> wrote in message

>>> news:op.z2zgy...@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...

>>>> On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 22:59:47 +0100, trader_4 <tra...@optonline.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, June 6, 2019 at 5:45:33 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:

>>>>>> On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 22:25:56 +0100, Andy Burns

>>>>>> <use...@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>> >

>>>>>> >> I noticed some new houses being built, all with environmental
>>>>>> shit, >> like
>>>>>> >> solar panels, water reclamation from gutters etc.  But why do
>>>>>> they >> have
>>>>>> >> only 3 or 4 panels when the roof could hold about 12?
>>>>>> >

>>>>>> > Very little incentive to have any at all now that the >
>>>>>> feed-in/bribery
>>>>>> > tariff has ended.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's what I would have thought, but these houses are only a

>>>>>> couple of years old.  None I could understand, loads I could
>>>>>> understand, but not a few on each roof.
>>>>>
>>>>> One factor could be that the output per panel has gone up over
>>>>> time.  They were ~200W a decade ago, new ones are ~300W.  But still
>>>>> 3 or 4 would be only 1200W, not even enough to equal what a typical
>>>>> house
>>>>> uses.   And you'd think that some of the cost is fixed, ie putting in
>>>>> 12 isn't going to cost 3 times what it costs to put in 4, so if it's
>>>>> undersized, the economics is worse.
>>>
>>>> Agreed - you might aswell make as much use of the roof space as you
>>>> can.
>>>

>>> Problem is the cost of that.
>>>

>>>> And so what if you generate more than the house uses?
>>>

>>> You've obviously wasted your money.
>>>

>>>> There are houses that don't generate anything.  And once we all use
>>>> electric cars, we'll need a hell of a lot more.
>>>

>>> But it makes a lot more sense to use nukes for that.
>>>

>>>> It also seems damn stupid to build an estate of 50 houses and put
>>>> 1.2kW on each roof, instead of 2.4kW on half the roofs, with a much
>>>> lower installation cost.
>>>

>>> But that approach isnt viable. No one is going to
>>> pay for the cost of doing it on someone else's roof.
>>
>> Tell that to the companies that do exactly that.
>
> That’s not one house owner paying for the panels on a neighbours house.
>
>

So what? That is clearly someone who wants to pay for solar panels on
someone else's house.

[Bob F]

On 6/7/2019 3:25 AM, devnull wrote:

> The US does it with healthcare and many other things.  Taxpayers are

> forced to pay for the lazy welfare democrat's medical expenses.
>

> Taxpayers are also forced to pay for unwed welfare mom's 6 kids.
>

> And if the socialist democrats like Ocasio-Kotex get their way,
> taxpayers will really get hosed.

> And Repugs NEVER accept socialist medicare or social security, or drive
on socialist public roads, or call the socialist fire department?
And REPUGS never use socialist public courts to solve their
disagreements or to take over private property for their oil pipelines?

Why do you clowns never protest corporate socialism? It is running rampant.

[Rod Speed]

Commander Kinsey <CFKi...@military.org.jp> wrote

> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>> Commander Kinsey <CFKi...@military.org.jp> wrote

>>> I wonder if the treehuggers have ever worked out how much plastic is
>>> involved in creating these useless things.

>> Not much with solar panels, its mostly metal and the panels
>> themselves which don't involve much plastic at all.

> Metal frame, but the main part is surely plastic?

Nope.

> Or is it glass? That would be rather fragile.

Even you should have noticed that windows and greenhouses work fine.

https://www.solar-facts.com/panels/panel-construction.php

>>> They could perhaps charge up a golf kart, but they certainly don't make
>>> a meaningful amount of electricity.

>> Specially in winter in scotland. They likely would do the lights
>> and electronics in summer, particularly if they have a decent
>> battery so that it works once its dark, but given that they
>> have so few panels, likely they don't have a battery at all.

And its just more mindless greeny virtue signalling.

>>> Solar panels are for remote areas like Africa, outer space, etc.

>> They are marginally viable here on houses without any subsidy
>> or FIT but don't produce as good a return as the stock market
>> or mutual funds, which is why I don't have any myself.

> Way more efficient to have huge arrays of panels on farms etc.

Not necessarily. That stops you mostly using the
power you generate yourself like harry does.

Those big farm arrays make no sense in a place like scotland or england.

>>> I once sent some students off to study primates in Africa with a solar
>>> panel. It powered a couple of laptops. Not a house.

>> We do use them to power quite a bit of stuff like the irrigation gates
>> etc.
>> And the remote repeaters where it costs lots to run a power line to them.

>> Couple of the houses here have a pair of massive great tracking arrays
>> and
>> they would certainly power the house fine but wouldn't have been cheap.
>> One of those house has a massive great steel fence right around it so
>> that
>> bugger clearly doesn't have any shortage of money. Bet its marijuana
>> money.

This is the big mostly brown patch with the house in the corner of that
land.
https://www.google.com/maps/@-34.2597719,146.0238333,617m/data=!3m1!1e3

> And the problem with that would be?

The problems with what ? Flouting that law if your mean marijuana money.

[Rod Speed]

"Commander Kinsey" <CFKi...@military.org.jp> wrote in message

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And that's why you'd go broke as a builder.

> Different sorts of folk would buy each home.

Fuck all would be able to find anyone to lend them
enough to buy the houses with their roof completely
covered by panels, because the bank valuation of that
place would be way less than price you would have
to charge to make a profit on the sale of that house.

And you would sell a lot more of the houses that
had that money spent on a bigger house instead.

>>>> And when you no longer get bribed to have solar
>>>> panels, there is no point in being able to generate
>>>> more than you can actually use yourself.
>>
>>>> It isnt even worth sizing the panels so they will always
>>>> be able to generate what you use yourself in the worst
>>>> weather with fuck all solar insulation available, it makes
>>>> makes more sense to buy from the grid in those conditions.
>>
>>> Agreed - so why have any panels on them at all?
>>
>> Because with the power generated in the best weather that
>> electricity will in theory cost you less than buying it from the grid.
>
> 2 days a year in Scotland then.

Its not quite that bad in summer.

>> I havent done the calculations for scotland but it wouldn't
>> surprise me its actually better to not have any solar panels
>> and to put that money in shares or a mutual fund instead.
>> That would likely end up with a better result after say 20 years.

> Agreed.

>> But with those new houses its even more iffy because the
>> bulk of those buying those houses would have to borrow
>> the money for the panels.

> Agreed again.

>>> Clearly the builder decided it was a good idea to have a few, so why not
>>> more?

>> Looks like that builder decided to have competitive
>> advantage by having some low cost green shit like
>> a few solar panels and the rainwater recycling hoping
>> that there would be enough stupid greenys around
>> who would buy his houses instead of his competitors
>> houses and would be too stupid to actually calculate
>> if it made sense to do the house that way instead of
>> spending that money on bigger rooms etc.

> Good point.

>> It would be interesting to see if that approach worked for the
>> builder and if there are enough stupid greenys that stupid there.

> All those houses sold very quickly compared to other schemes.

All that shows is that there are enough stupid greenys that
want to 'live' in that soggy frigid gloomy part of scotland.

> don't know what the price of the homes was though.

That should be visible using google. Post an address.

>>> Either each panel makes more than it costs, or it doesn't.

>> Its nothing like that simple when the choice is to spend
>> that money on stupid stuff like solar panels in scotland
>> or to have a better house like bigger rooms or a decent
>> double garage for your cars etc.

> Way too many new houses being built around here without enough drive
> space.

Not just drive space either, useless garages too.
Most of ours are doubles, quite a few are triples.
The place we bought has a very decent sized garage
and an immense carport that you can put 8 cars in easily.

The stupid tenants park in the ample driveway in front
of it which has plenty of space for 4 and that's without
stacking any behind another so anyone can leave easily.
And it's a very decent sized house too. 3 bed 2 bath.
https://www.realestate.com.au/sold/property-house-nsw-griffith-122468950

> Cars parked on the bloody street in the way of everyone. In fact a woman
> I know had her brand new £30K car smashed up because she parked it very
> badly taking up two spaces, which were shared for the whole street.
> Someone put bricks through every single window. Her insurance refused to
> pay out the full amount, said it was her own fault!

Interesting, the insurance couldn't get away with that here.

[Rod Speed]

"Bob F" <bobn...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:qdeih2$461$1...@dont-email.me...

It isnt what was being discussed.

> That is clearly someone who wants to pay for solar panels on someone
> else's house.

But is nothing like what is being discussed with new houses.

[Peeler]

On Sat, 8 Jun 2019 09:51:50 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent

Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH yet more of the inevitable bullshit spouted by the two clinically
insane idiots>

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Birdbrain: "I do if there's no flush toilet around."

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[Peeler]

On Sat, 8 Jun 2019 10:20:45 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent

Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH another 170 !!! lines of the two prize idiots' endless bullshit
unread>

--
Typical retarded "conversation" between the Scottish wanker and the senile
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Birdbrain: "Horse shit doesn't stink."

Senile Rodent: "It does if you roll in it."

Birdbrain: "I've never worked out why, I assumed it was maybe meateaters
that made stinky shit, but then why does vegetarian human shit stink? Is it
just the fact that we're capable of digesting meat?"

Senile Rodent: "Nope, some cow shit stinks too."

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[Peeler]

On Sat, 8 Jun 2019 10:26:28 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent

Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

> It isnt

LOL
>
> But is nothing

LOL

In auto-contradicting mode again, you clinically insane auto-contradicting
senile pest?

--

[Daniel60]

Commander Kinsey wrote on 8/06/2019 4:04 AM:
> On Fri, 07 Jun 2019 03:46:18 +0100, Bob F <bobn...@gmail.com> wrote:

<Snip>

>> You know this for every supplier in the world?
>
> Well if you live in the desert maybe you can actually make real money
> instead of stealing it from the taxpayer.  But in most places, solar
> panels are next to useless unless you want to charge up a couple of AA
> batteries.

No farm, just a normal 3 bedroom house with 20 solar panels that I
installed about two years ago costing about $4,500.00.

Last month, being the start of Winter, i.e. lower sunlight levels, my
Solar rebate (after any power I might have used during the day) was
$21.49, so, even at this low sunlight rate, I'd repay the panel costs in
about 17.5 years.

O.K., I'd have not earned interest on that $4,500 for that time, but,
then again, I'd have been getting 'free' daylight power myself for that
time!!

Taking into account the greater quantity of power I will(/have) be
generating during Summer, that pay-back time would be reduced (to,
maybe, 10 years'ish!!).

Just saying!!
--
Daniel

[Daniel60]

Rod Speed wrote on 8/06/2019 4:35 AM:
> "Commander Kinsey" <CFKi...@military.org.jp> wrote in message
> news:op.z20so...@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
>> On Fri, 07 Jun 2019 00:09:24 +0100, Rod Speed
>> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:

<Snip>

>>> But the owner of the house with the panels on it may
>>> well not be able to afford the double panel installation.
>
>> Fuck all cost compared to the whole house.
>
> But with house prices so high now, most will be finding it
> hard to find someone who will lend them what they need
> to buy the house and so the optional stuff like a double sized
> panel will be what doesn't make the cut to get the loan even
> if it does make economic sense in the long term. I doubt that
> the double sized panel would make economic sense in the
> long term in scotland. Bet it would make more sense to
> out that money into shares instead.

$500,000 - $1Million - and up for a house! $2,500 - $5,000 - and up for
Solar Panels!

Sure, that's going to be the deciding factor in buying a House!! .... *NOT*
--
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[Daniel60]

Rod Speed wrote on 7/06/2019 9:09 AM:
> "Commander Kinsey" <CFKi...@military.org.jp> wrote in message

<Snip>

>> Surely you'll make at least roughly what you save by making your own
>> for what you use?
>
> Nope, the electricity supplier doesn't pay you anything
> like what you pay them for the electricity.

But I didn't spend $Millions of Dollars installing a string of poles to
get power from Yallourn to my place when the panels are not producing
power either!!

As it is, I'm guessing the Electricity Suppliers are paying me a heck of
a lot more for my excess power than it would cost them to produce ....
they pay me roughly the same (if not the exact same) as they charge my
next door neighbour to consume "their" power!!

--
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[Teresa Maynot]

Please enlighten us where we can buy a useful solar panel system for $2500 - $5000 or did you drop a zero?

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[Peeler]

On Sun, 9 Jun 2019 19:01:28 +1000, Daniel60, "another" Australian, mentally
deficient, troll-feeding, senile asshole, blathered:

> Just saying!!

Nope, senile Ozzietard, you are just feeding the troll, you miserable idiot!

[rbowman]

On 6/9/2019 3:01 AM, Daniel60 wrote:
>
> Last month, being the start of Winter, i.e. lower sunlight levels, my
> Solar rebate (after any power I might have used during the day) was
> $21.49, so, even at this low sunlight rate, I'd repay the panel costs in
> about 17.5 years.

Assuming the output of the panels doesn't drop too drastically.
Depending on the panel you might be down to 80% by then.

[Commander Kinsey]

On Fri, 07 Jun 2019 00:05:52 +0100, Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> "Commander Kinsey" <CFKi...@military.org.jp> wrote in message

> news:op.z2zia...@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
>> On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 23:08:06 +0100, trader_4 <tra...@optonline.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thursday, June 6, 2019 at 5:53:05 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 22:48:40 +0100, Andy Burns <use...@andyburns.uk>

>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> Andy Burns wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> Very little incentive to have any at all now that the
>>>> >>> feed-in/bribery
>>>> >>> tariff has ended.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> That's what I would have thought, but these houses are only a couple
>>>> >> of
>>>> >> years old.
>>>> >

>>>> > FIT ended (for new installs) 31st March 2019.
>>>>
>>>> I wasn't aware it was a different date for new installs. I tried to get
>>>> some on my existing house 5 years ago and just missed it.
>>>>

>>>> However, if the bribery had ended, why did they install any at all? Is
>>>> there some silly regulation saying they have to have a small number?
>>>>
>>>> And these houses would have been completed before 31st March 2019.
>>>
>>> You don't even say where this is. The rebates, tax incentives, payments
>>> for electric you generate, vary widely, state by state.
>>
>> Sorry I thought you knew I lived in the UK.
>>
>>> I agree though that a small number doesn't make sense, assuming it's not
>>> enough to cover the energy usage of the house.
>>
>> Irrelevant, you can always make more and it just goes into the grid.
>
> But when you are paid fuck all for what goes into the grid
> it makes no sense to be paying a lot more for the panels.

It also makes no sense to have any at all. Unless you're an unusual person who constantly consumes a small amount of power, you'll often be selling the 1kW to the grid anyway, as it's nearer midday when you get more sun, and that's when you're probably out.

Spotted something else there today: heat pumps! Never seen one installed in the UK before. The tories are planning on banning gas boilers installed in new homes soon, but I didn't think that had taken effect yet. They look quite fancy, piping going into several parts of the house, presumably to individually heat or cool rooms.

I also saw illogical paving slabs, which I've seen elsewhere before: like this cheap shit: http://northwalesblockpaving.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/IMG_1912.jpg
But for no reason, some of them were sliced diagonally across, making two triangular slabs. I could understand that if there was a start of a slope, so the slabs needed to "bend", but there wasn't.

Also noticed what I think is some silly legislation - every front door was accessible without going up steps. Are 100% of house buyers now disabled or something?

[Commander Kinsey]

I wouldn't buy something that took 10 years to break even. Ever heard of an ISA?

[Frank]

Beside you probably don't have 10 years left to live.

[Rod Speed]

"Daniel60" <dani...@eternal-september.org> wrote in message
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Never said it would be the deciding factor, JUST that it may well
make more sense to spend that $2,500 - $5,000 on something
else in the house in scotland.