Don't WASTE Your Time Praying!
kin...@yahoo.com
from an illness is ineffective, according to the largest, best-designed
study to examine the power of prayer to heal strangers at a distance.
The study found that those who had people praying for them had as many
complications as those who did not. In fact, one group of studied
patients who knew they were the subject of prayers fared worse!
This should not be shocking to educated, enlightened people who accept
that there simply is no verifiable, provable entity as a "god" to pray
to. This atheistic stance is not to discourage people from praying, if
they derive some doubt-filled comfort from the pointless exercise. But
the study, just the latest among many in recent years*, points up a
long-held fallacy among fearful and ignorant religionists.
*
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/14/AR2005071401695.html
These woeful, benighted types foolishly hope and "pray" for an
"afterlife,"
where negative or sorrow-filled earthly experiences are magically
washed away, to be replaced by "heavenly" rewards, such as wealth, good
looks, talent, good times -- things that were missing from their REAL
lives!
Sorry to disappoint these slugs, but lacking a god and an afterlife,
prayer is about as dumb as chicken poop!
===
"Prayer Doesn't Aid Recovery, Study Finds"
"Effect on Healing of Strangers at Distance
After Heart-Bypass Surgery Examined"
By Rob Stein
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, March 31, 2006; A06
Praying for other people to recover from an illness is ineffective,
according to the largest, best-designed study to examine the power of
prayer to heal strangers at a distance.
The study of more than 1,800 heart-bypass patients found that those who
had people praying for them had as many complications as those who did
not. In fact, one group of patients who knew they were the subject of
prayers fared worse.
The long-awaited results, the latest in a series of studies that have
not found any benefit from "distant" or "intercessory" prayer, came as
a blow to those hoping scientific research would validate the popular
notion that people can influence others' health, even if the sick do
not know that someone is praying for them.
The researchers cautioned that the study was not designed to test the
existence of God or the benefit of other types of prayer, such as
praying for oneself or praying at the bedside of friends or relatives.
They also did not rule out that other types of distant prayer may be
effective for other types of patients.
"No one single study is ever going to provide an answer," said Jeffery
Dusek of Harvard Medical School, who helped lead the study being
published in the April 4 issue of the American Heart Journal.
Although many studies have suggested that praying for oneself may
reduce stress, research into praying for others who may not know they
are the subject of prayers has been much more controversial. Several
studies that claimed to show a benefit have been criticized as deeply
flawed.
And several of the most recent findings have found no benefit.
The new $2.4 million study, funded primarily by the John Templeton
Foundation, was designed to overcome some of those shortcomings. Dusek
and his colleagues divided 1,802 bypass patients at six hospitals into
three groups. Two groups were uncertain whether they would be the
subject of prayers. The third was told they would definitely be prayed
for.
The researchers recruited two Catholic groups and one Protestant group
to pray "for a successful surgery with a quick, healthy recovery and no
complications" for 14 days for each patient, beginning the night before
the surgery, using the patient's first name and the first initial of
the last name.
Over the next month, the two groups that were uncertain whether they
were the subject of prayers fared virtually the same, with about 52
percent of patients experiencing complications regardless of whether
they were the subject of prayers.
Surprisingly, 59 percent of the patients who knew they were being
prayed for experienced complications.
Because the most common complication was an irregular heartbeat,
researchers speculated that knowing they were chosen to receive prayers
may have inadvertently put the patients under increased stress.
"Did the patients think, 'I am so sick they had to call in the prayer
team?' " said Charles Bethea of the Integris Heart Hospital at Baptist
Medical Center in Oklahoma City, who helped conduct the study.
Skeptics said the study should put to rest the notion that distant
prayer has any effect.
"I would hope that these results, combined with similar recent
findings, would encourage scientists to stick to science and stop
dabbling in the supernatural," said Bruce Flamm of the University of
California at Irvine.
Even some supporters of incorporating more spirituality into medicine
said they hope the findings will put an end to such research.
"It's time now to redirect resources towards supporting studies that
try to understand how religious faith influences people's health and
well-being through understandable mechanisms," said Harold Koenig of
Duke University.
But proponents of such research said the work is important because so
many people believe in prayer.
"I would hate to have premature closure based on a handful of studies,"
said Marilyn J. Schlitz of the Institute of Noetic Sciences in
Petaluma, Calif. "We just don't know enough about this to close the
door."
The findings are unlikely to change the minds of the faithful, several
pastors said.
"We welcome and appreciate the involvement of scientists researching
faith," said Rob Brendle, associate pastor of the New Life Church in
Colorado Springs. "But this is just one study. We believe
wholeheartedly that prayer changes things. So many of us have
experienced that in our lives."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/30/AR200603300
0902.html
Michael
kin...@yahoo.com wrote:
> No surprise to rational minds. But praying for other people to recover
> from an illness is ineffective, according to the largest, best-designed
> study to examine the power of prayer to heal strangers at a distance.
At least according to the radical religious left.
Evidence that prayer does indeed change things, and that there is a force
of which all are part is accumulating.
http://noosphere.princeton.edu/terror.html
--
"-----------------"
May God Bless You
Michael
Azure
Alchemist wrote:
>
> On Sat, 01 Apr 2006 17:01:52 GMT, mike...@ix.netcom.com (Michael)
> wrote:
>
> >In article <1143830392.3...@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
> >kin...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> >> No surprise to rational minds. But praying for other people to recover
> >> from an illness is ineffective, according to the largest, best-designed
> >> study to examine the power of prayer to heal strangers at a distance.
> >
> >At least according to the radical religious left.
> >
> >Evidence that prayer does indeed change things, and that there is a force
> >of which all are part is accumulating.
> >
> >http://noosphere.princeton.edu/terror.html
>
> This study does not support ANY single religious/prayer system, ie
> Christian, Buddhist, Islamic prayer.
>
> So your accusation of religious right v. left is useless and stupid.
> ---
>
> Alchemist
> >
> >
> >>
> >> The study found that those who had people praying for them had as many
> >> complications as those who did not. In fact, one group of studied
> >> patients who knew they were the subject of prayers fared worse!
Yep, imagine you wake up after a heart attack, and find several people
"STRANGERS EVEN" in your room praying over you, you tend to have further
complications.
why are they here, is it that bad.
the idea was prayer, but it did not distinguish what type you are right,
most likely it was Christian.
But even there it depends on the person, their thoughts, and their
ability.
Wide Eyed in Wonder
kin...@yahoo.com wrote:
> No surprise to rational minds. But praying for other people to recover
> from an illness is ineffective, according to the largest, best-designed
> study to examine the power of prayer to heal strangers at a distance.
>
> The study found that those who had people praying for them had as many
> complications as those who did not. In fact, one group of studied
> patients who knew they were the subject of prayers fared worse!
This study only focused on those being prayed for, not those sick
praying for themselves. Those being prayed for didn't even know, in
many cases, they were being prayed for. Jesus said faith is the key to
healing. So, if the sick weren't believing themselves, it wouldn't
matter who was praying for them. They must believe in God's power to
heal them, themselves.
Kenny Clifton
http://www.christianjedi.com
Cary Kittrell
So, all those common expressions such as "We're praying for you"
or "Please keep them in our prayers" or "Our prayers go with you" are
worthless at best, heretical at worst?
-- cary
Anonymous
Excellent response! And it really isn't so much the quantity of
faith, but is the quality, the purity, the selfless humility of
faith whose countenance shines like the Sun and moves mountains.
So it is good that the devoutly-religious Atheists obsessively,
rabidly, hate and ineptly criticize Jesus Christ & his Ekklesia
for the short space of time they are allotted: Because it helps
to test the loyalty of the true believer's faith in the face of
such abominable blasphemers who assuredly know not what they do;
for if they did, then they most assuredly would NOT be doing it.
In Vigilance,
Daniel Joseph Min
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Michael
<sword_...@NOSPAMbellsouth.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 01 Apr 2006 17:01:52 GMT, mike...@ix.netcom.com (Michael)
> wrote:
>
> >In article <1143830392.3...@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
> >kin...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> >> No surprise to rational minds. But praying for other people to recover
> >> from an illness is ineffective, according to the largest, best-designed
> >> study to examine the power of prayer to heal strangers at a distance.
> >
> >At least according to the radical religious left.
> >
> >Evidence that prayer does indeed change things, and that there is a force
> >of which all are part is accumulating.
> >
> >http://noosphere.princeton.edu/terror.html
>
> This study does not support ANY single religious/prayer system, ie
> Christian, Buddhist, Islamic prayer.
So?
>
> So your accusation of religious right v. left is useless and stupid.
How so with specificity and particularity?
http://members.aol.com/garypos/Healing_Words.html
Medical Practice Enters a New Age
HEALING WORDS: The Power of Prayer and the Practice of Medicine.
By Larry Dossey, M.D.
Dossey has come to the conclusion that God need not be 'up there' but
rather that "the Divine factor in prayer is internal."
> ---
>
> Alchemist
Wide Eyed in Wonder
It would only help if it inspired faith in the hearts of those being
spoken to.
Kenny Clifton
http://www.christianjedi.com
Gray Shockley
(in article <DAFYGUEE38810.5828935185@anonymous.poster>):
> On 3 Apr 2006 "Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kan...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> kin...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> No surprise to rational minds. But praying for other people to recover
>>> from an illness is ineffective, according to the largest, best-designed
>>>
>>> study to examine the power of prayer to heal strangers at a distance.
>>> The study found that those who had people praying for them had as many
>>>
>>> complications as those who did not. In fact, one group of studied
>>> patients who knew they were the subject of prayers fared worse!
>>
>> This study only focused on those being prayed for, not those sick
>> praying for themselves. Those being prayed for didn't even know, in
>> many cases, they were being prayed for. Jesus said faith is the key to
>>
>> healing. So, if the sick weren't believing themselves, it wouldn't
>> matter who was praying for them. They must believe in God's power to
>>
>> heal them, themselves.
>>
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>
> Excellent response! And it really isn't so much the quantity of
>
> faith, but is the quality, the purity, the selfless humility of
> faith whose countenance shines like the Sun and moves mountains.
>
> So it is good that the devoutly-religious Atheists obsessively,
> rabidly, hate and ineptly criticize Jesus Christ & his Ekklesia
> for the short space of time they are allotted: Because it helps
> to test the loyalty of the true believer's faith in the face of
> such abominable blasphemers who assuredly know not what they do;
> for if they did, then they most assuredly would NOT be doing it.
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Daniel Joseph Min
Guest
Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 7:26 pm
Post subject: Re: Anti-Christian illness get more virulent
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These rabidly-insane Anti-American Anti-Judeo-Xian lunatics
are nothing short gun fodder! But don't worry, we'll *NAIL*
them once our Patriot Act III kicks into high gear, that is
once Al-Qaeda attacks the continental USA with WMDs as they
have repeatedly threatened to do. Ironic, isn't it? Al-Qaeda
and Usama Bin Laden consistently parrot the liberal Democrat
talking points, and yet Al-Qaeda's next attack will provide
our President sufficient ammunition to COMPLETELY take down
these Anti-American *liberal terrorists* once and for all.
By "banning" the colors of the rainbow, the colors of Iris,
of the eye of the Sky, these Anti-American inhuman *vermin*
have proven to the American majority, to devout Judeo-Xians
across this great land that liberals are indeed and in fact
Enemy Combatants which need to be apprehended and euthanized
in order to protect our communities, our nation and the world
from the oft-lethal bite of the serpent of Rabidity. Liberals
(an oxymoronic label considering how INTOLERANT they've become
against God, against his son Jesus Christ and against us Judeo-
Xian ruling majority of Americans throughout the land--most of
all in the "Red" counties of all 50 states). Thus we see that
the so-called "liberals" really should be called what they are,
rabidly-insane intolerant Anti-American Anti-Xian inhuman scum-
bags who are in dire need of a nationwide, ultimately worldwide
ATTITUDE ADJUSTMENT!
These filthy Anti-Christ animals HATE God and Jesus Christ so
much nowadays (especially since the LOST the election--AGAIN!)
that they now HATE nature, the universe and ALL God's infinite
creation, sustenance and destruction. We devout Judeo-Xians can
see that the great judicial astrologer and prophet Dr. Michel
de Nostradamus did NOT write in vain that theirs would be the
kingdom of Rabidity, even condoning homosexual marriage which
measures the very DEPTHS of their treason against God, Family
and Country! Yea, Reckoning Day is coming SOON to a theatre of
combat near every man, woman and child on planet Earth--save
for the ekklesia, those covered in the blood of Jesus Christ,
against whom the trials and tribulations of the world (worse
now than ever in human history, nor shall ever be/Matthew 24),
are wholly insufficient to conquer us, but much rather they've
roused the undiluted *IRE* of the Gods of Olympvs, the FURIES!
ALL Anti-Christ liberals are criminally-insane Enemy Combatants
under the Patriot Act. Let's hunt these vermin down and REMOVE
their diseased and dysfunctional chakric candelabrums from out
of the place of it PERMANENTLY.
Merry Christmas!
Daniel Joseph Min
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Gray Shockley
(in article <1144067461....@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>):
This is the same Guy who put fossils out to test
his Numero Uno creation's faith, right?
Has it ever hit you that, perhaps, you're working
for the /bad/ guy?
Don't you have any morals at all?
This dude smells like sulfur and pointed
tails - or worse.
This is the "jealous" one, right?
The guy in cahoots with Solomon and Saul and
David and those guys?
How did these folks come to be called the "good guys"?
Musta been a bribe or fear or both.
Gray Shockley
--------------------------------------
I will break down the doors of hell,
and bring up the dead.
- Lois McMaster Bujold
>
> Kenny Clifton
> http://www.christianjedi.com
>
Anonyma
>spoken to.
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And/or spoken of behind their backs, so to speak; seeing that
there's vastly more going on, in the higher, albeit generally
unconscious, psychic realms, than meets the worldly eye. :-D
Enjoy!
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Gray Shockley
(in article <1144102191.1...@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>):
lol
I may be the only person on these forums that is quite suspicious that
prayers actually /do/ help in the healing process and - probably later than
sooner - there will be actual and genuine proof of it.
The only amount of good in the world is the amount of good in the world.
Be kind to one another - we're all we've got.
++ gray
>
> Kenny Clifton
> http://www.christianjedi.com
>
Cary Kittrell
Oh, I wouldn't be a bit surprised, either.
And I bet it turns out to be independent of Whom you
pray to.
-- cary
Daniel Joseph Min
Excellent response! And it really isn't so much the quantity of
faith, but is the quality, the purity, the selfless humility of
faith whose countenance shines like the Sun and moves mountains.
So it is good that the devoutly-religious Atheists obsessively,
rabidly, hate and ineptly criticize Jesus Christ & his Ekklesia
for the short space of time they are allotted: Because it helps
to test the loyalty of the true believer's faith in the face of
such abominable blasphemers who assuredly know not what they do;
for if they did, then they most assuredly would NOT be doing it.
In Vigilance,
Daniel Joseph Min
http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x2B1CCFE7
*Download Min's Banned (Freeware) Books:
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Anonymous
>spoken to.
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Adding of course, the fact that they may be spoken of, prayed
or meditated about, even dreamt about, behind the patients in
questions' backs so to speak; seeing that there's vastly more
going on in the higher, albeit generally unconscious, psychic
realms of heaven and hell than meets the mortal, worldly eye. :-D
Enjoy!
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Azure
Must be why they want to destroy the bridge to Heaven then, to protect
it from those nasty Anti- People who want to save ANWR for the animals.
The paper in our pocket, is far more important than the tree which
obstructs our view.
> >
Azure
"Burglars"
Gray Shockley
(in article <e0sctm$f56$1...@onion.ccit.arizona.edu>):
#######################################
"Why do those two stand in awe of me and prepared to reverence me?" Orne
asked, his gaze still on the door where the acolytes had gone.
"Word of you has gone forth," Bakrish said. "They know this test. The
fabric of our universe is woven into it. Many things hang in the balance
here when a potential psi focus is concerned. The possibilities are
infinite."
Orne probed for Bakrish's motives. The priest obviously sensed the probe.
He said: "I am terrified. Is that what you wanted to know?"
"Why?"
"In my ordeal, this test almost proved fatal. I had sequestered a core of
hate. This place clutches at me even now." He shivered.
Orne found the priest's fear unsteadying. Bakrish said: "I would deem it a
favor if you would pray with me now."
"To whom?" Orne asked.
"To any force in which we have faith," Bakrish said. "To ourselves, to the
One God, to each other. It does not matter; only it helps if we pray."
Bakrish clasped his hands, bowed his head.
After a moment's hesitation, Orne imitated him.
- The Godmakers
Frank Herbert
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I wonder how many of the guilty and/or innocent bystanders have noticed -
with the sole exception of lojbab (anyone else?) - that the self-professed
"Christians" on this newsgroup are generally the most vicious, dreggy, hating
little monsters that are - quite obviously - too small to take home to be
scaled and are just gonna be thrown back in to be caught again and thrown
back in again.
And while these self-professed "Christians" are running their moneyed
churches and churched` politicians and wearing their fancy clothes, Jesus is
still down on Skid Row talking with the working girls and the tax collectors
and the working poor and an occasional sergeant and an occasional person that
just likes Jesus a lot more than His old man.
And Joseph and Mary are home cooking up a /lot/ of food because when Jesus
and Mary Magdalene go down into that section of town, they usually bring home
an extra two or three hundred folks for supper.
I sued ta know an old, old man - dead for decades now - who wouldn't utter
Jesus' name because he said hye wasn't worthy to do so.
But from him I heard the first time that the miracle of the fish and the
loaves wasn't food out of nowehere but that - listening to Jesus' words -
that people turned to each other and shared what they had.
And that's a much, much bigger miracle.
++ gray
Azure
Gray Shockley wrote:
>
> On Mon, 3 Apr 2006 18:59:50 -0500, Cary Kittrell wrote
> (in article <e0sctm$f56$1...@onion.ccit.arizona.edu>):
>
> > In article <0001HW.C0571D6E...@news.giganews.com>
> > graysh...@gmail.com writes:
> >> On Mon, 3 Apr 2006 17:09:51 -0500, Wide Eyed in Wonder wrote
> >> (in article <1144102191.1...@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>):
> >>
>> #######################################
>
> "Why do those two stand in awe of me and prepared to reverence me?" Orne
> asked, his gaze still on the door where the acolytes had gone.
>
> "Word of you has gone forth," Bakrish said. "They know this test. The
> fabric of our universe is woven into it. Many things hang in the balance
> here when a potential psi focus is concerned. The possibilities are
> infinite."
>
> Orne probed for Bakrish's motives. The priest obviously sensed the probe.
> He said: "I am terrified. Is that what you wanted to know?"
>
> "Why?"
>
> "In my ordeal, this test almost proved fatal. I had sequestered a core of
> hate. This place clutches at me even now." He shivered.
>
> Orne found the priest's fear unsteadying. Bakrish said: "I would deem it a
> favor if you would pray with me now."
>
> "To whom?" Orne asked.
>
> "To any force in which we have faith," Bakrish said. "To ourselves, to the
> One God, to each other. It does not matter; only it helps if we pray."
>
> Bakrish clasped his hands, bowed his head.
>
> After a moment's hesitation, Orne imitated him.
>
> - The Godmakers
> Frank Herbert
>
Rev 11:3
Gray Shockley
(in article <44335B53...@pharae.org>):
1989 World Series
Azure
Right, but then you look at a date specific in relation to Si Fi.
The Statement was taken from the Legends and is Identified under Rev
11:3, Horous, who by death becomes Osiris.
Left Handed teachings but then, what do you expect.
A place called Gi Ra, which Abraham bought to bury Sarah, Mountain of
the Sun.
Gray Shockley
(in article <4434876A...@pharae.org>):
Or the RAW/Shea rendition:
There is only one god; he is the sun god.
Ra! Ra! RA!
Michael
graysh...@gmail.com wrote:
Sounds like the revisionism of Michael Baigent, Richard Leigh, and Henry
Lincoln.
Gray Shockley
(in article <mikeburt-060...@192.168.1.101>):
That may sound like "revisionism" (you do know that "revisionism" is what
neo-nazis who deny the Holocaust are called?) to you but _The Illuminatus
Trilogy" - by Robert Anton Wilson (RAW) and Robert Shea was copyrighted in
1975.
_Holy Blood, Holy Grail_ was copyrighted in 1982.
However, if you're not familiar with Ra, your education is so lacking that
you might better spend your time studying rather than playing on UseNet.
Googling gets:
Results 1 - 50 of about 302,000 English pages for +Ra +"Sun God". (0.35
seconds)
I first heard about Ra in sixth grade World History.
> --
> May God Bless You
She does; She always does.
> Michael
Gray
Azure
TY, never heard about the Book by Robert Shea, but did find out about
the Shay's Rebellion and it's relation.
Gi Ra and Y-O-Gah/Jehovah 2 names for 2 caves.
Adam and Eve lived in one then the Family Moved from the Flood, the Arc
set down in a new area, and Abraham bought the second cave to bury
Sarah.
The 2 Paths, Halo and Horns, the Cave of the River Styx Gi Ra, and
Y-O-Gah, the Cave of the North Wind, the Hyper Borealis, ANWR.
Michael
Still worshipping Astarte, the mother earth goddess, eh? Why worship the
creation when you can worship the Creator.
> >
> > > Michael
> >
> > Gray
>
> TY, never heard about the Book by Robert Shea, but did find out about
> the Shay's Rebellion and it's relation.
> Gi Ra and Y-O-Gah/Jehovah 2 names for 2 caves.
> Adam and Eve lived in one then the Family Moved from the Flood, the Arc
> set down in a new area, and Abraham bought the second cave to bury
> Sarah.
> The 2 Paths, Halo and Horns, the Cave of the River Styx Gi Ra, and
> Y-O-Gah, the Cave of the North Wind, the Hyper Borealis, ANWR.
--
Azure
Michael wrote:
>
> In article <443613E3...@pharae.org>, Azure <ta...@pharae.org> wrote:
>
> > Gray Shockley wrote:
> > >
> > > On Thu, 6 Apr 2006 15:21:05 -0500, Michael wrote
> > > (in article <mikeburt-060...@192.168.1.101>):
> > >
> > > > In article <0001HW.C05A1E4B...@news.giganews.com>,
> > > > graysh...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Still worshipping Astarte, the mother earth goddess, eh? Why worship the
> creation when you can worship the Creator.
She, is as miss interpreted as He.
She is by definition:
That which is Not the Masculine.
Many "Males" fall into that category.
She does not actually mean female, but "All Things", like Sativa,
it can be what it what's.
> > >
> > > > Michael
> > >
> > > Gray
> >
> > TY, never heard about the Book by Robert Shea, but did find out about
> > the Shay's Rebellion and it's relation.
> > Gi Ra and Y-O-Gah/Jehovah 2 names for 2 caves.
> > Adam and Eve lived in one then the Family Moved from the Flood, the Arc
> > set down in a new area, and Abraham bought the second cave to bury
> > Sarah.
> > The 2 Paths, Halo and Horns, the Cave of the River Styx Gi Ra, and
> > Y-O-Gah, the Cave of the North Wind, the Hyper Borealis, ANWR.
>
> --
> "-----------------"
> May God Bless You
> Michael
Ty.
Blessing or not, God chose me, I have little choice
Puriel
Gray Shockley
(in article <mikeburt-140...@ip-69-33-41-73.nyc.megapath.net>):
Wherever did you get /that/ idea?
Henrieta H God doesn't do worship; she does Diversity Orgies, as has been
discussed many times on this forum.
Jesus and Maggie are usually there although they don't participate in the
orgies but Jesus' daddy is a total asswipe and isn't allowed in. Of course,
Jesus and Maggie try to excuse him as he is, seemingly, going through male
god menopause as can be seen by his creations of the past billion or so years
(or 5,000, if you have a sense of humor).
> Why worship the
> creation when you can worship the Creator.
Worship the "Creator" of this world? You're daft, daft, I say. Why would
/anyone/ worship the guy who created this world for his master's thesis in
World Planning? He flunked out!
"Earth" is judged by the Confederated Council of Gods to be a total waste and
it's not even used as a vacation spot for those who enjoy "going native".
You should ask Job what he /really/ thought. That particular book wasn't
actually written with Job's assistance but by a holy ghost writer.
The Confederated Council of Gods has taken a few tours of Earth and their
unanimous declaration was and still is "tacky".
Gray Shockley
---------------------------------
If you see Buddha on the
road, ask him the way to
the Diversity Orgy.
Azure
Seems to be a statement between the Maenads and the Pharae, from a long
time back.
If one quotes from the Book, what happened to the Book of Nature, why
was it totally removed in the 1800's Conclave?
Azure
Gray Shockley wrote:
>
> On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:04:19 -0500, Michael wrote
> (in article <mikeburt-140...@ip-69-33-41-73.nyc.megapath.net>):
> >>>>> Or the RAW/Shea rendition:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There is only one god; he is the sun god.
> >>>>> Ra! Ra! RA!
> >>>>
> >>>> Sounds like the revisionism of Michael Baigent, Richard Leigh, and Henry
> >>>> Lincoln.
> >>>
> >>> That may sound like "revisionism" (you do know that "revisionism" is what
> >>> neo-nazis who deny the Holocaust are called?) to you but _The Illuminatus
> >>> Trilogy" - by Robert Anton Wilson (RAW) and Robert Shea was copyrighted in
> >>> 1975.
> >>>
> >>> _Holy Blood, Holy Grail_ was copyrighted in 1982.
> >>>
> >>> However, if you're not familiar with Ra, your education is so lacking that
> >>> you might better spend your time studying rather than playing on UseNet.
> >>>
> >>> Googling gets:
> >>>
> >>> Results 1 - 50 of about 302,000 English pages for +Ra +"Sun God". (0.35
> >>> seconds)
> >>>
> >>> I first heard about Ra in sixth grade World History.
The Name for the cave is found in Gen 22:14, the pronunciation of the
term is identified
in I believe Chrn 9:22, among others.
Je Ra, Gi Ra, same thing, the Great G or J.
The "Mountain".
Gi Ra/Je Ra/Jerah = Mountain of Ra.
The Cave Abraham bought to bury Sarah.
Jehovah/ Y-O-Gah, is the Original Cave.
Lost during the Flood, when Noah used the Ark!
Ivan Gowch
<Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote:
[snip]
==>Excellent response! And it really isn't so much the quantity of
==>faith, but is the quality, the purity, the selfless humility of
==>faith whose countenance shines like the Sun and moves mountains.
"Religion is comparable to a childhood neurosis."
-Sigmund Freud
Michael
> Michael wrote:
> >
> > In article <443613E3...@pharae.org>, Azure <ta...@pharae.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Gray Shockley wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 6 Apr 2006 15:21:05 -0500, Michael wrote
> > > > (in article <mikeburt-060...@192.168.1.101>):
> > > >
> > > > > In article <0001HW.C05A1E4B...@news.giganews.com>,
> > > > > graysh...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >
> > Still worshipping Astarte, the mother earth goddess, eh? Why worship the
> > creation when you can worship the Creator.
>
> She, is as miss interpreted as He.
> She is by definition:
And that religious defination appears ....where?
> That which is Not the Masculine.
True, He is inclusive, she is exclusive, what is your point?
> Many "Males" fall into that category.
> She does not actually mean female, but "All Things",
Checked the dictionary, she is exclusive, not inclusive. What disctionary
are you using?
like Sativa,
> it can be what it what's.
IOW, words have no meaning according to your defination.
> > > >
> > > > > Michael
> > > >
> > > > Gray
> > >
> > > TY, never heard about the Book by Robert Shea, but did find out about
> > > the Shay's Rebellion and it's relation.
> > > Gi Ra and Y-O-Gah/Jehovah 2 names for 2 caves.
> > > Adam and Eve lived in one then the Family Moved from the Flood, the Arc
> > > set down in a new area, and Abraham bought the second cave to bury
> > > Sarah.
> > > The 2 Paths, Halo and Horns, the Cave of the River Styx Gi Ra, and
> > > Y-O-Gah, the Cave of the North Wind, the Hyper Borealis, ANWR.
> >
> > --
> > "-----------------"
> > May God Bless You
> > Michael
>
> Ty.
> Blessing or not, God chose me, I have little choice
> Puriel
But are you doing what God chose you to do?
Michael
graysh...@gmail.com wrote:
Soounds like a monument to Biblical illiteracy, intolerance to diversity,
and the religious beliefs of atheistic humanism.
Michael
Why should it have been included?
Michael
<the_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Religious Freudism is based on the manufacturing of childhood neurosis.
Ben Hopkins
> In article <44407165...@pharae.org>, Azure <ta...@pharae.org> wrote:
>
>>Michael wrote:
>>
>>>In article <443613E3...@pharae.org>, Azure <ta...@pharae.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Gray Shockley wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Thu, 6 Apr 2006 15:21:05 -0500, Michael wrote
>>>>>(in article <mikeburt-060...@192.168.1.101>):
>>>>>
>>>>>>In article <0001HW.C05A1E4B...@news.giganews.com>,
>>>>>>graysh...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>Still worshipping Astarte, the mother earth goddess, eh? Why worship the
>>>creation when you can worship the Creator.
>>
>>She, is as miss interpreted as He.
>>She is by definition:
>
> And that religious defination appears ....where?
>
>>That which is Not the Masculine.
>
> True, He is inclusive, she is exclusive, what is your point?
>
>>Many "Males" fall into that category.
>>She does not actually mean female, but "All Things",
>
> Checked the dictionary, she is exclusive, not inclusive. What disctionary
> are you using?
>
> like Sativa,
>
>>it can be what it what's.
>
> IOW, words have no meaning according to your defination.
Don't be so prosaic, so parochial, so paranoid in your defamation of the
definitionally-challenged deviant. Show a little tenderness.
Gray Shockley
(in article <mikeburt-170...@10.83.123.6>):
Nope, I'm very familiar with the Bible. I'll guarantee you that - in my case,
at least - the God and Country award was /much/ harder than Eagle to earn.
I was the chaplain for my church's youthgroup.
I had eleven years of perfect attendance at Sunday School. I sang in the
church choir (I was no good but the choir would take /any/ male who could
rumble down in the baritone and/or bass ranges).
For years and years, I went to Sunday School and morning worship and then six
hours later, went to youth group and evening service. And then there was the
Wednesday night bible study. (Plus my Dad was a Deacon (I got to watch him
spray the Welch's grape juice into the 120 (or whatever) itsy-bitsy communion
shot-glasses) and then an Elder.
> intolerance to diversity,
Would you, kindly, explain both why you believe I'm "intolerant" and your
definition of "deversity"?
> and the religious beliefs of atheistic humanism.
ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!
Sonny, I've killed and/or helped kill people and trained to kill people and
taught others how to kill people and I spent quite a number of years doing
so.
One Thursday, at about 6pm, I went down to Evensong and I was listening to
what the layreader was saying and I glanced down at the grenade launcher on
my lap and its four bandoliers and I looked up at the cross in the chapel.
When I walked out, I walked out. That was Spring of 1969.
I've been to exactly one "regular" church service since then and that was my
mother wanting for me to take her to church for her 87th birthday. (93rd
coming up in October.) And, by "regular", I mean I go to weddings and
funerals and christening and such when I'm invited or it's expected.
I know enough about Christianity to know what "Christians" did in what is now
Central America and I know what other Europeans - and then citizens of North
America - did to AmerInds and to anyone else who got in their way. Then, of
course, our good "Christian" lawmakers supported slavery and put women down.
Intolerance? That's "intolerance". Spread filthy European diseases for which
the AmerInds had no resistance and then kill them outright for their supposed
gold ("genocide").
Did you see the show on the History Channel a few nights ago on "Mystic"?
Do you know Ishi?
Have you studied what the United States owes to the AmerInds? I know it goes
back through the administrations of Bush #1, Clinton, Bush #2. I don't know
how much further back it goes. And it's not just a few million.
Gray Shockley
-----------------------
Skip A Rope
Michael
graysh...@gmail.com wrote:
That is not self evident.
I'll guarantee you that - in my case,
> at least - the God and Country award was /much/ harder than Eagle to earn.
There is evidence of that.
>
> I was the chaplain for my church's youthgroup.
How long ago was that? I bet that your beliefs from your prior posting
that "Jesus and Maggie are usually there although they don't participate
in the
orgies but Jesus' daddy is a total asswipe and isn't allowed in" was a
real hit with the youthgroup.
>
> I had eleven years of perfect attendance at Sunday School.
Did you stay awake?
I sang in the
> church choir (I was no good but the choir would take /any/ male who could
> rumble down in the baritone and/or bass ranges).
And that validates your opinion how?
>
> For years and years, I went to Sunday School and morning worship and then six
> hours later, went to youth group and evening service. And then there was the
> Wednesday night bible study. (Plus my Dad was a Deacon (I got to watch him
> spray the Welch's grape juice into the 120 (or whatever) itsy-bitsy communion
> shot-glasses) and then an Elder.
Jacob knew of God as well, what is your point? What does your dad feel
about your opinion that "Jesus' daddy is a total asswipe'?
>
> > intolerance to diversity,
>
> Would you, kindly, explain both why you believe I'm "intolerant" and your
> definition of "deversity"?
Your posting stating that " The Confederated Council of Gods has taken a
few tours of Earth and their unanimous declaration was and still is
"tacky"." is not without condemnation of the Creator.
>
>
> > and the religious beliefs of atheistic humanism.
>
>
> ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!
>
> Sonny, I've killed and/or helped kill people and trained to kill people and
> taught others how to kill people and I spent quite a number of years doing
> so.
Congratulations. Do you believe that you should transgress the statutes of
the 6th commandment on this newsgroup as well?
>
>
> One Thursday, at about 6pm, I went down to Evensong and I was listening to
> what the layreader was saying and I glanced down at the grenade launcher on
> my lap and its four bandoliers and I looked up at the cross in the chapel.
You seem to be confused between individual vs national applications of the
statutes of the commandments. They do not prevent self defense for
individuals, nor for nations.
>
> When I walked out, I walked out. That was Spring of 1969.
>
> I've been to exactly one "regular" church service since then and that was my
> mother wanting for me to take her to church for her 87th birthday. (93rd
> coming up in October.) And, by "regular", I mean I go to weddings and
> funerals and christening and such when I'm invited or it's expected.
>
>
>
> I know enough about Christianity to know what "Christians" did in what is now
> Central America and I know what other Europeans - and then citizens of North
> America - did to AmerInds and to anyone else who got in their way. Then, of
> course, our good "Christian" lawmakers supported slavery and put women down.
At least that is your opinion of history. The good Aztec were ripping out
living human hearts, and it was the Christians who refused to celebrate
their diversity. You do spit on the graves of a great many Christian men
who gave up their life's blood to end slavery, and do overlook that
Christianity has always provided women great respect as human beings in
the image of God, falling short only in disagreement with the religious
teachings of religious feminism which have done more to liberate males
than to liberate women.
>
>
> Intolerance? That's "intolerance". Spread filthy European diseases for which
> the AmerInds had no resistance and then kill them outright for their supposed
> gold ("genocide").
No man is without sin, nor is repentance and forgiveness part of your
religious position apparently. Every Christian I know condenms what you
selectively list in your indictment, but you do err in avoiding the
accomplishments which far outweigh the transgressions. As long as you see
only the glass as half full and refuse to forgieve repented sin,
unhapiness will be your co pilot.
>
> Did you see the show on the History Channel a few nights ago on "Mystic"?
No, there is a lot of revisism in some of their offerings, they have an
overall decisive religious position that is often, not always, prostelyzed
in subtile terms.
>
>
> Do you know Ishi?
>
> Have you studied what the United States owes to the AmerInds? I know it goes
> back through the administrations of Bush #1, Clinton, Bush #2. I don't know
> how much further back it goes. And it's not just a few million.
Do you know how much the Amerinds owe to the people of the world? the
Amerinds presented the Caucausian world with tobacco, according to the
Surgeon General's warnings, they should be prosecuted.
Azure
Michael wrote:
>
> In article <44407165...@pharae.org>, Azure <ta...@pharae.org> wrote:
>
> > Michael wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <443613E3...@pharae.org>, Azure <ta...@pharae.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Gray Shockley wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, 6 Apr 2006 15:21:05 -0500, Michael wrote
> > > > > (in article <mikeburt-060...@192.168.1.101>):
> > > > >
> > > > > > In article <0001HW.C05A1E4B...@news.giganews.com>,
> > > > > > graysh...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Still worshipping Astarte, the mother earth goddess, eh? Why worship the
> > > creation when you can worship the Creator.
> >
> > She, is as miss interpreted as He.
> > She is by definition:
>
> And that religious defination appears ....where?
>
> > That which is Not the Masculine.
>
> True, He is inclusive, she is exclusive, what is your point?
>
> > Many "Males" fall into that category.
> > She does not actually mean female, but "All Things",
>
> Checked the dictionary, she is exclusive, not inclusive. What disctionary
> are you using?
I believe that came from Websters Collegiate
>
> like Sativa,
> > it can be what it what's.
Keyboard Glitch should read "Wants"
>
> IOW, words have no meaning according to your defination.
No you have no concept of computers or english.
Things happen, letters get stuck.
Does not mean a thing about the person.
>
> > > > >
> > > > > > Michael
> > > > >
> > > > > Gray
> > > >
> > > > TY, never heard about the Book by Robert Shea, but did find out about
> > > > the Shay's Rebellion and it's relation.
> > > > Gi Ra and Y-O-Gah/Jehovah 2 names for 2 caves.
> > > > Adam and Eve lived in one then the Family Moved from the Flood, the Arc
> > > > set down in a new area, and Abraham bought the second cave to bury
> > > > Sarah.
> > > > The 2 Paths, Halo and Horns, the Cave of the River Styx Gi Ra, and
> > > > Y-O-Gah, the Cave of the North Wind, the Hyper Borealis, ANWR.
> > >
> > > --
> > > "-----------------"
> > > May God Bless You
> > > Michael
> >
> > Ty.
> > Blessing or not, God chose me, I have little choice
> > Puriel
>
> But are you doing what God chose you to do?
>
> --
> "-----------------"
> May God Bless You
> Michael
The BODY informs me I am, so yes.
If God is perfect, and Satan, Evil, why did God,
knowing what would happen create him.
And why was he Gods Favorite until 750 AD, when he fell from grace.
Azure
In part.
Sounds more like what happened a long time ago.
But Puriel calls the Gods to council, it is the time of Judgment.
Azure
Until then it was Canonized and Cited.
Like many teachings which were altered then, why?
Because people like me would use them to defend themselves against the
attacks of the church!
Azure
Michael wrote:
>> >
> > Did you see the show on the History Channel a few nights ago on "Mystic"?
>
> No, there is a lot of revisism in some of their offerings, they have an
> overall decisive religious position that is often, not always, prostelyzed
> in subtile terms.
>
> >
> >
> > Do you know Ishi?
> >
> > Have you studied what the United States owes to the AmerInds? I know it goes
> > back through the administrations of Bush #1, Clinton, Bush #2. I don't know
> > how much further back it goes. And it's not just a few million.
>
> Do you know how much the Amerinds owe to the people of the world? the
> Amerinds presented the Caucausian world with tobacco, according to the
> Surgeon General's warnings, they should be prosecuted.
>
> --
> "-----------------"
> May God Bless You
> Michael
Hey, the Whites wanted to take their Sacramental Stuff, they got
tobacco.
It was supposed to be used religiously and sparingly.
Besides we wiped them out.
Decimated their peoples ways beliefs, you name it.
So who owes who.
Hell Blacks helped grow the stuff so why do we owe them any apologies,
they helped poison us.
Michael
> Michael wrote:
> >
> > In article <44407165...@pharae.org>, Azure <ta...@pharae.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Michael wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In article <443613E3...@pharae.org>, Azure <ta...@pharae.org>
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Gray Shockley wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, 6 Apr 2006 15:21:05 -0500, Michael wrote
> > > > > > (in article <mikeburt-060...@192.168.1.101>):
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > In article <0001HW.C05A1E4B...@news.giganews.com>,
> > > > > > > graysh...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Still worshipping Astarte, the mother earth goddess, eh? Why
worship the
> > > > creation when you can worship the Creator.
> > >
> > > She, is as miss interpreted as He.
> > > She is by definition:
> >
> > And that religious defination appears ....where?
> >
> > > That which is Not the Masculine.
> >
> > True, He is inclusive, she is exclusive, what is your point?
> >
> > > Many "Males" fall into that category.
> > > She does not actually mean female, but "All Things",
> >
> > Checked the dictionary, she is exclusive, not inclusive. What disctionary
> > are you using?
>
> I believe that came from Websters Collegiate
IOW, a gender neutered one. Merriman Webster's doesn't agree.
> >
> > like Sativa,
> > > it can be what it what's.
> Keyboard Glitch should read "Wants"
> >
> > IOW, words have no meaning according to your defination.
>
> No you have no concept of computers or english.
At least that is your judgement.
> Things happen, letters get stuck.
> Does not mean a thing about the person.
Who said that it did?
> >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Michael
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Gray
> > > > >
> > > > > TY, never heard about the Book by Robert Shea, but did find out about
> > > > > the Shay's Rebellion and it's relation.
> > > > > Gi Ra and Y-O-Gah/Jehovah 2 names for 2 caves.
> > > > > Adam and Eve lived in one then the Family Moved from the Flood,
the Arc
> > > > > set down in a new area, and Abraham bought the second cave to bury
> > > > > Sarah.
> > > > > The 2 Paths, Halo and Horns, the Cave of the River Styx Gi Ra, and
> > > > > Y-O-Gah, the Cave of the North Wind, the Hyper Borealis, ANWR.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > "-----------------"
> > > > May God Bless You
> > > > Michael
> > >
> > > Ty.
> > > Blessing or not, God chose me, I have little choice
> > > Puriel
> >
> > But are you doing what God chose you to do?
> >
> > --
> > "-----------------"
> > May God Bless You
> > Michael
>
> The BODY informs me I am, so yes.
And what is your defination of the BODY and how specifically and
particularly did it 'inform' you?
> If God is perfect, and Satan, Evil, why did God,
> knowing what would happen create him.
You would have to ask God for the answer, but it is apparent that if the
satanic did not do what it was supposed to do, God would have taken it out
long ago. You might start by reading Chapter 3 of Genesis with
understanding. There is a lot there beyond the common kindergarten
understanding.
> And why was he Gods Favorite until 750 AD, when he fell from grace.
He fell from grace in Revelation 12 long before 750 AD else he wouldn't
have been in the garden which Adam was supposed to be tending.
The satanic is not all that hard to resist, just say no.
Michael
Works for me, as long as the Creator is the judge.
Michael
Canonized and cited by whom and upon what authority with specificity and
particularity?
Cannonization of Scripture was done long before any 1800's Conclave of
which few have any clue as to what you are talking about.
> Like many teachings which were altered then, why?
Not sure that anything was altered in this mythical 1800's conclave. What
is your documentation that it was?
> Because people like me would use them to defend themselves against the
> attacks of the church!
And, assuming that this undefined 'church' has attacked you for which
there are no facts in evidence to support, how would you accomplish that
with specificity and particularity with the 'book of nature'?
Michael
> Michael wrote:
> >> >
> > > Did you see the show on the History Channel a few nights ago on "Mystic"?
> >
> > No, there is a lot of revisism in some of their offerings, they have an
> > overall decisive religious position that is often, not always, prostelyzed
> > in subtile terms.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Do you know Ishi?
> > >
> > > Have you studied what the United States owes to the AmerInds? I know
it goes
> > > back through the administrations of Bush #1, Clinton, Bush #2. I
don't know
> > > how much further back it goes. And it's not just a few million.
> >
> > Do you know how much the Amerinds owe to the people of the world? the
> > Amerinds presented the Caucausian world with tobacco, according to the
> > Surgeon General's warnings, they should be prosecuted.
> >
> > --
> > "-----------------"
> > May God Bless You
> > Michael
>
> Hey, the Whites wanted to take their Sacramental Stuff, they got
> tobacco.
Some find 'white' a racist term. Do you think that the Aztec should have
been allowed their 'sacramental stuff' so that they could continue to rip
out living human hearts whicle the Caucausians celebrated their unique
cultural diversity?
> It was supposed to be used religiously and sparingly.
> Besides we wiped them out.
> Decimated their peoples ways beliefs, you name it.
> So who owes who.
> Hell Blacks helped grow the stuff so why do we owe them any apologies,
> they helped poison us.
Sounds like something anti-Caucausian racists would say.
Gray Shockley
(in article <4445AB49...@pharae.org>):
It was probably as a result of that stupid bar-bet about Job.
++ gray
Michael
graysh...@gmail.com wrote:
Job is an incredible look into the spiritual battle we are called to
participate in. May God give us the strength to be all that we were
created to be, and to the adversary, just say no.
Gray Shockley
(in article <mikeburt-200...@10.83.123.6>):
Ever read Karl Jung's "Answer to Job"?
Gray Shockley
------------------------
A scheme is not a vision
and you never have been tempted
by a demon or a god.
- Leonard Cohen
Michael
graysh...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes as to skimming, but would have to agree with:
http://psychematters.com/papers/hiles.htm
"Jung's Answer to Job is a very angry book, and as such it probably
suffers from the projections and distortions that inevitably accompany
human anger."
I found 'The Bible that Jesus Read' by Yancey far more insightful. Anger
and hatred against God are neither positive nor healthy for until one
'forgieves' God for what he sees as injustice and understand that there
was no injustice, it is difficult, as affirmed by Christ, to strive to
follow the statutes of the 1st 5 Commandments and without that, not likely
that striving to follow the statutes of the 2nd set will be as successful
as possible.
For as man is created in the Image of God, both sets are highly
integrated. As an example, adultery against man in the Image of God is
equally idolotry against God Himself or transgressions of the 7th
Commandment will transgress the statutes of the 2nd Commandment at the
same time. To covent another man's posessions (10th) gives not honour to
the one who Created all things being coveted (5th). To commit cold
blooded pre meditated murder of the very Image of God in man (6th) is to
create an god to replace God Himself (st).
In Genesis, God separated light and dark, rough and smooth, life and
death, male and female, high and low, and 'good' and 'evil' but in the
Revelation, these are put back together, all under the feet of Christ so
that God can be all in all. We live in this experience to experience
duality for a purpose, and from that, should use the time to equip us to
enjoy eternity where such duality probably does not exist.
Yes, I know of no one who fully understands Job. But If you view Job with
the flesh of man at the center for understanding, one will never come
close to understanding it.
Cary Kittrell
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> On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 01:44:04 -0500, Michael wrote
> (in article <mikeburt-200...@10.83.123.6>):
>
> > In article <0001HW.C06C1A2A...@news.giganews.com>,
> > graysh...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 18 Apr 2006 22:15:21 -0500, Azure wrote
> >> (in article <4445AB49...@pharae.org>):
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Michael wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> In article <44407165...@pharae.org>, Azure <ta...@pharae.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Michael wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> In article <443613E3...@pharae.org>, Azure <ta...@pharae.org>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Gray Shockley wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Thu, 6 Apr 2006 15:21:05 -0500, Michael wrote
If Job is the paradigm for this spiritual battle, then apparently
our battle will be the result of a bored god who tosses us
into the devil's side of the court in the hope of scoring a
few points in a running bar bet.
What high immortals do in mirth
Is life and death on Middle Earth...
-- W H Auden, "Under Which Lyre"
-- cary
Cary Kittrell
>
> In article <0001HW.C06CADA1...@news.giganews.com>,
> graysh...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 01:44:04 -0500, Michael wrote
> > (in article <mikeburt-200...@10.83.123.6>):
> >
> > > In article <0001HW.C06C1A2A...@news.giganews.com>,
> > > graysh...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Tue, 18 Apr 2006 22:15:21 -0500, Azure wrote
> > >> (in article <4445AB49...@pharae.org>):
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Michael wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> In article <44407165...@pharae.org>, Azure <ta...@pharae.org> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Michael wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> In article <443613E3...@pharae.org>, Azure <ta...@pharae.org>
> > >>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Gray Shockley wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> On Thu, 6 Apr 2006 15:21:05 -0500, Michael wrote
Well, perhaps that's my problem -- because I cannot get past
the fact that the "happy ending" of Job, the bit where all
that he had taken from him is restored, doesn't quite seem
to even things up as far as all those sons and daughters
and servants -- and animals -- who were callously killed in order
to advance the game are concerned. These are still quite dead,
and are probably inadequately comforted by the knowledge that
Job has a whole new set of sons and daughters and servants and
animals.
God's apparent indifference to that fact tends to underscore
the entire theme of the story, at least to me.
-- cary
Crowfoot
> > > If God is perfect, and Satan, Evil, why did God,
> > > knowing what would happen create him.
> > > And why was he Gods Favorite until 750 AD, when he fell from grace.
> >
> > It was probably as a result of that stupid bar-bet about Job.
>
> Job is an incredible look into the spiritual battle we are called to
> participate in. May God give us the strength to be all that we were
> created to be, and to the adversary, just say no.
What spiritual battle? The battle to attend to what our senses,
reason, and intuition tell us rather than accept a lot of untestable,
authoritarian hogwash as *truer* than all of that seems to me to
be not so much "spiritual" as simply a struggle for sanity.
C
Azure
thing a "SHE", because it does not meet your masculinity demands.
You Dominate.
It is subordinate to you.
Not the usual definition, no, but it is in the book, so learn to read,
before you go around insulting yourself.
Persist, and I will cite Date Year Publication Number, ect and prove
just how illiterate "YOU" are on the subject.
Azure
decide, it is to major to be left to the determination of one, so
council is sought.
Parlay!!!!!!
To do otherwise leaves Satu with but one choice.
Use the Sword of Light.
I have sought healers, but no answer.
I am past healing, the wounds left great scars.
Now they come again. this time I will not be so trusting, or nieave.
15 years against 8 Law Firms, the DOJ, Dept of Law, and others using
everything they could throw at me, while they Chloroform my house and
compelled me to litigate Pro Se, was nothing.
WATCH!
It's a "Mandate" not a Gripe, or a Political Matter.
It is not a Joke, can not be ignored, and the "Covenant" may not be
violated again.
None stand before the Red Bull when it begins to move!!!!
"NONE"!!!!!!!
The Lion who walks Upright Like a Man, has the Covenant of the Law, none
may deny that.
It is the Covenant between Man and God.
The Equalizer, which assures the rights of the people.
Azure
Michael wrote:
>
> In article <4445AC24...@pharae.org>, Azure <ta...@pharae.org> wrote:
>
>> And, assuming that this undefined 'church' has attacked you
Sorry is in the Introduction to the Bible, my mother gave me which was
written about circa 1850!!
for which
> there are no facts in evidence to support,
None which you will ever acknowledge.
how would you accomplish that
> with specificity and particularity with the 'book of nature'?
It was a Canonized Book!!
Why is it now missing?
Besides the "Gi Toro", is the Codex of the Book of Nature.
I found a tale rich in history you were denied.
Acknotin and Neffertti's people.
Their Exodus from Egypt, Greece, Babylon.
The Lebor Gaebala, was given circa 1135 AD.
They did not discover Acknotin and Neffertti until the 1900's.
It was a joke, a great myth when it was first told to the church.
But it was "PROVEN FACT".
Kind of like the Gaelic teachings of the 6th Age, the Age of Man.
There actually have been 5 extinction's, this is the 6th age.
Azure
Michael wrote:
>
> In article <4445ADCB...@pharae.org>, Azure <ta...@pharae.org> wrote:
>
> > Michael wrote:
> > >> >
> > > > Did you see the show on the History Channel a few nights ago on "Mystic"?
> > >
> > > No, there is a lot of revisism in some of their offerings, they have an
> > > overall decisive religious position that is often, not always, prostelyzed
> > > in subtile terms.
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Do you know Ishi?
> > > >
> > > > Have you studied what the United States owes to the AmerInds? I know
> it goes
> > > > back through the administrations of Bush #1, Clinton, Bush #2. I
> don't know
> > > > how much further back it goes. And it's not just a few million.
> > >
> > > Do you know how much the Amerinds owe to the people of the world? the
> > > Amerinds presented the Caucausian world with tobacco, according to the
> > > Surgeon General's warnings, they should be prosecuted.
> > >
> > > --
> > > "-----------------"
> > > May God Bless You
> > > Michael
> >
> > Hey, the Whites wanted to take their Sacramental Stuff, they got
> > tobacco.
>
> Some find 'white' a racist term.
It is, I am a Red, Magho Radji, Red Brow or Red Hat, a Term the Arian's
used for "Hair Color".
White, is Blonde, like Hitler and Friends.
Red is Red, like the Irish
Blue is Blue/Black, 2 Tribes there, Aryan and Naturals.
Red, White, and Blue.
The Pentagon or Pen Dragons 5 Points of Man are the Red, White, Blue,
the Brownies (Half Breeds), and Naturals.
Do you think that the Aztec should have
> been allowed their 'sacramental stuff' so that they could continue to rip
> out living human hearts whicle the Caucausians celebrated their unique
> cultural diversity?
Yes!!!!!!!!!!!
The Bible tells of Sacrificing Humans by the Tribes, it talks of Abraham
sacrificing his Son.
The Aztec's either took willing sacrifice or slaughtered their captors.
In slaughtering their captives, they are no different than any one else.
The Spanish were Prime Example.
Look at the Protestant Whites, they gave tainted blankets to the Natives
in America to spread Small Pox.
Christian thing to do. Their Celebration of Cultural Diversity!!
>
> > It was supposed to be used religiously and sparingly.
> > Besides we wiped them out.
> > Decimated their peoples ways beliefs, you name it.
> > So who owes who.
> > Hell Blacks helped grow the stuff so why do we owe them any apologies,
> > they helped poison us.
>
> Sounds like something anti-Caucausian racists would say.
Yep, White Supremacists are the worst threat the world knows, they
should all be hung from the nearest White Oak.
>
> --
> "-----------------"
> May God Bless You
> Michael
She did.
May SHE take pity on you.
Azure
Nah, was a Roman Joke, teach the world "Pig" Latin.
Azure
I am glad you agree with the Werewolf's, Code of Ethics.
To the Adversary, just say "NO".
Nothing stands before the Covenant of God.
That was why the Pigs would go into Battle naked.
Except for the Wode which gave them their connection to God, no Armor is
needed.
Funny, I never knew those who wore Wode (Blue Paint), are the Tribe of
Odin/Wodin.
Gray Shockley
(in article <44486C93...@pharae.org>):
Can't be. Steve Job is in Cupertino and Leopard is on the way.
Computers: at the Sign of the Cat.
++ gray
Azure
Job, was like Jacob, and the Creed of my Family.
We were given a covenant to argue with God.
I do not understand it, but that is what the legends say.
It has to do with the Antagonis thing, and our being "Part of the
Equation".
God the Ptah, or Child, plays games with us at times and we sit down and
have a good ole argument with God.
Both of us appear to learn from the experience.
Not many sit screaming in rage at God.
Fewer get an answer from such besides a backhand.
I Love God, but like any family we do have our moments.
Michael
> Yes it does, why do you think you call a vehicle, appliance or other
> thing a "SHE", because it does not meet your masculinity demands.
At least that is the rather sexist theory of radical feminism who confuse
power with authority and servanthood with slavery and responsibility with
entitlement. The church is the Body and Bride of Christ. A nation and a
ship have always been referred to in the feminine, nothing dominating nor
physically exclusive to males about the use of the exclusive pronoun. He
and man has always been an inclusive pronoun and noun while it is she and
woman which is exclusive.
> You Dominate.
> It is subordinate to you.
At least in the rather confused world of the gender confused.
> Not the usual definition, no, but it is in the book, so learn to read,
> before you go around insulting yourself.
> Persist, and I will cite Date Year Publication Number, ect and prove
> just how illiterate "YOU" are on the subject.
Perhaps you should learn to understand what and whom you make judgements
about lacking facts in evidence.
Michael
> Michael wrote:
> >
> > In article <4445AC24...@pharae.org>, Azure <ta...@pharae.org> wrote:
> >
> >> And, assuming that this undefined 'church' has attacked you
>
> Sorry is in the Introduction to the Bible, my mother gave me which was
> written about circa 1850!!
>
> for which
> > there are no facts in evidence to support,
>
>
> None which you will ever acknowledge.
You would first have to provide one from which to be acknowledged.
>
> how would you accomplish that
> > with specificity and particularity with the 'book of nature'?
>
> It was a Canonized Book!!
> Why is it now missing?
When was it canonized? At least we have now agreed that it was not
'decanonized' in 1850.
> Besides the "Gi Toro", is the Codex of the Book of Nature.
> I found a tale rich in history you were denied.
And the 'tale rich in history' you made the judgement that I was denied is?
> Acknotin and Neffertti's people.
> Their Exodus from Egypt, Greece, Babylon.
> The Lebor Gaebala, was given circa 1135 AD.
> They did not discover Acknotin and Neffertti until the 1900's.
> It was a joke, a great myth when it was first told to the church.
> But it was "PROVEN FACT".
What is the fact? We all know Akhenaten and Neferitii, even Tut, what is
the 'rich tale'?
> Kind of like the Gaelic teachings of the 6th Age, the Age of Man.
> There actually have been 5 extinction's, this is the 6th age.
I would agree that this is the 6th, with the 7th close to come.
Michael
So why do you use racist terms?
I am a Red, Magho Radji, Red Brow or Red Hat, a Term the Arian's
> used for "Hair Color".
> White, is Blonde, like Hitler and Friends.
> Red is Red, like the Irish
> Blue is Blue/Black, 2 Tribes there, Aryan and Naturals.
> Red, White, and Blue.
> The Pentagon or Pen Dragons 5 Points of Man are the Red, White, Blue,
> the Brownies (Half Breeds), and Naturals.
We are all one with the Father, what is your point?
>
> Do you think that the Aztec should have
> > been allowed their 'sacramental stuff' so that they could continue to rip
> > out living human hearts whicle the Caucausians celebrated their unique
> > cultural diversity?
>
> Yes!!!!!!!!!!!
IOW, you believe in human sacrifice? Ripping out living human hearts and
celebrating the diversity?
> The Bible tells of Sacrificing Humans by the Tribes, it talks of Abraham
> sacrificing his Son.
Actually, it doesn't. It tells of Abraham's obedience, but it was God
that provided the Lamb.
> The Aztec's either took willing sacrifice or slaughtered their captors.
A rather interesting spin. the first is unlikely, the second an
impossibility. And who were these 'captors' of the Aztec that the Aztec
were in a position to rip out their living human hearts?
> In slaughtering their captives, they are no different than any one else.
There have been many who did not 'slaughter their captives'.
> The Spanish were Prime Example.
> Look at the Protestant Whites,
There is that touch of racist epitaths again.
they gave tainted blankets to the Natives
> in America to spread Small Pox.
> Christian thing to do. Their Celebration of Cultural Diversity!!
I have never found any Christian who would find that a 'Christian' thing
to do, but many racist and Christophobes who accuse such an act of being
Christian.
>
> >
> > > It was supposed to be used religiously and sparingly.
> > > Besides we wiped them out.
> > > Decimated their peoples ways beliefs, you name it.
> > > So who owes who.
> > > Hell Blacks helped grow the stuff so why do we owe them any apologies,
> > > they helped poison us.
> >
> > Sounds like something anti-Caucausian racists would say.
>
> Yep, White Supremacists are the worst threat the world knows, they
> should all be hung from the nearest White Oak.
Quite a tribute to anti-Caucausian racism from one who celebrates the
Aztec ripping out the living human hearts of their captors from a war of
aggresion and wants to hang those Caucausians from the nearest White Oak
who ended the 'sacred' practice.
Michael
> > >
> > > Hey, the Whites wanted to take their Sacramental Stuff, they got
> > > tobacco.
> >
> > Some find 'white' a racist term.
>
> It is, I am a Red, Magho Radji, Red Brow or Red Hat, a Term the Arian's
> used for "Hair Color".
And who are these 'Arians' and why do you allow them to coin terms?
> White, is Blonde, like Hitler and Friends.
So when you use the offensive racist term 'white' you are referring to
Hiter and friends? Isn't that racist in and of itself? Do you make the
condemnation and racist judgement connecting imaginary dots that all
blondes are like Hitler and friends?
So if Red stands for Red Brown or Red Hat why does 'white' stand for
blonde and Hitler?
Racists come in many colours, there are Caucausian racists, but
anti-Caucausian racists are flourishing as well, some say in far greater
numbers.
snip
>>Do you think that the Aztec should have
>> been allowed their 'sacramental stuff' so that they could continue to rip
>> out living human hearts whicle the Caucausians celebrated their unique
>> cultural diversity?
>Yes!!!!!!!!!!!
We will keep you in our prayers.
snip
> Yep, White Supremacists are the worst threat the world knows, they
> should all be hung from the nearest White Oak.
One of the worst threats the world knows is racism, but bigoted
anti-Caucausian Supremacists are just as dangerous as any other.
Michael
ca...@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
The first problem with your analysis is the assumption that they are dead
and not restored as well.
>These are still quite dead,
Actually, they are quite alive and well restored in addition.
> and are probably inadequately comforted by the knowledge that
> Job has a whole new set of sons and daughters and servants and
> animals.
>
> God's apparent indifference to that fact tends to underscore
> the entire theme of the story, at least to me.
Then put away the assumptions and metaphysical restrictions you place on
God in the event and realize that God restored everyone, Job's first
family was restored even greater than Job at the end of the recorded
event.
Michael
<page...@swcp.com> wrote:
You might do well to study quamtum physics, even at a cursory level, there
is far more than what 'our senses, reason, and intuition' tell us that
our 'senses, reason, and intuition' do not tell us.
Azure
Michael wrote:
>
> In article <44486491...@pharae.org>, Azure <ta...@pharae.org> wrote:
>
> > Yes it does, why do you think you call a vehicle, appliance or other
> > thing a "SHE", because it does not meet your masculinity demands.
>
> At least that is the rather sexist theory of radical feminism
Be that as it may, upsetting as it may be to you, it still is a "Proper
Definition".
who confuse
> power with authority and servanthood with slavery and responsibility with
> entitlement. The church is the Body and Bride of Christ.
No, the "Bride" was Brigis, the "Mother of God", but she could not be
the foster mother of Christ, because she was Lug's Mother, and Bel's
Wife, that was a few thousand years before Christ.
Azure
Michael wrote:
>
> In article <44486999...@pharae.org>, Azure <ta...@pharae.org> wrote:
>
> > Michael wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <4445AC24...@pharae.org>, Azure <ta...@pharae.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >> And, assuming that this undefined 'church' has attacked you
> >
> > Sorry is in the Introduction to the Bible, my mother gave me which was
> > written about circa 1850!!
> >
> > for which
> > > there are no facts in evidence to support,
> >
> >
> > None which you will ever acknowledge.
>
> You would first have to provide one from which to be acknowledged.
Was a "Conclave of Churches, Circa 1870's.
The "Protestant Church".
Was the Protestant Church which my family warred against, Cornwallis was
Defender of the Faith.
So was Piere Gautrot, Deputy of Ingonish.
Arcadian's, followers of the Ancient Greeks, the Anti Church.
What Church, never happened, was not Butterfly Trail, and no Cajun
Flight.
They never did anything.
1812 was the Protestant Colonialists only.
Sure Napoleon Helped, but only because we asked.
After removing the King from the Throne, few wanted further proof,
atleast in France.
>
> >
> > how would you accomplish that
> > > with specificity and particularity with the 'book of nature'?
> >
> > It was a Canonized Book!!
> > Why is it now missing?
>
> When was it canonized?
With the Original Books, way back when!
At least we have now agreed that it was not
> 'decanonized' in 1850.
No, it was during the 1870's.
>
> > Besides the "Gi Toro", is the Codex of the Book of Nature.
> > I found a tale rich in history you were denied.
>
> And the 'tale rich in history' you made the judgement that I was denied is?
The Gi Toro, the tale of the "Children of Nature", those who told their
tale, by naming the mountains, rivers, lands, trees, ect.....
>
> > Acknotin and Neffertti's people.
> > Their Exodus from Egypt, Greece, Babylon.
> > The Lebor Gaebala, was given circa 1135 AD.
> > They did not discover Acknotin and Neffertti until the 1900's.
> > It was a joke, a great myth when it was first told to the church.
> > But it was "PROVEN FACT".
>
> What is the fact?
Acknotin started the beliefs and Tribes of "The One God".
That was the Exodus from Egypt, not as slaves, but Driven Out.
How dare those nasty people spread the teachings of ELPH/ALPH.
There are Gods for everything, and we make money selling secrets for
such.
He has bankrupted us and destroyed the churches.
Murder them, drive them out.
We don't want there kind around here.
We all know Aknaten and Neffertti, even Tut, what is
> the 'rich tale'?
Do you?
What do you know about Neffertti?
>
> > Kind of like the Gaelic teachings of the 6th Age, the Age of Man.
> > There actually have been 5 extinction's, this is the 6th age.
>
> I would agree that this is the 6th, with the 7th close to come.
How did ancient caveman know such?
>
> --
> "-----------------"
> May God Bless You
> Michael
Already Did!
Puriel/Satanachi
Azure
Michael wrote:
>
> In article <44486C2D...@pharae.org>, Azure <ta...@pharae.org> wrote:
>
> > >
> > > Some find 'white' a racist term.
> >
> > It is,
>
> So why do you use racist terms?
>
> I am a Red, Magho Radji, Red Brow or Red Hat, a Term the Arian's
> > used for "Hair Color".
> > White, is Blonde, like Hitler and Friends.
> > Red is Red, like the Irish
> > Blue is Blue/Black, 2 Tribes there, Aryan and Naturals.
> > Red, White, and Blue.
> > The Pentagon or Pen Dragons 5 Points of Man are the Red, White, Blue,
> > the Brownies (Half Breeds), and Naturals.
>
> We are all one with the Father, what is your point?
Red White and Blue, are Alien Races, walking among us.
The Fallen Angels.
The Children of the Arianhod, the Silverwheel, which fell from the
heavens and bored the bottomless Pit, the one which gave the Mountain a
Voice Activated Doorway.
Satan is the Descendant of Knowledge, because he has a "Genetic Link" to
that Door.
He is the Word which Opens the Doors to the Bottomless Pit.
Azure
Michael wrote:
>
> In article <44486C2D...@pharae.org>, Azure <ta...@pharae.org> wrote:
>
> > > >
> > > > Hey, the Whites wanted to take their Sacramental Stuff, they got
> > > > tobacco.
> > >
> > > Some find 'white' a racist term.
> >
> > It is, I am a Red, Magho Radji, Red Brow or Red Hat, a Term the Arian's
> > used for "Hair Color".
>
> And who are these 'Arians' and why do you allow them to coin terms?
They did it long ago, think Krishna started it.
>
> > White, is Blonde, like Hitler and Friends.
>
> So when you use the offensive racist term 'white' you are referring to
> Hiter and friends? Isn't that racist in and of itself? Do you make the
> condemnation and racist judgement connecting imaginary dots that all
> blondes are like Hitler and friends?
No, but their teachings are.
Tribes of the Moon.
>
> So if Red stands for Red Brown or Red Hat why does 'white' stand for
> blonde and Hitler?
Ask the Aryans?
Better Yet ask an Episcopal, the Burglar's.
>
> Racists come in many colours, there are Caucausian racists, but
> anti-Caucausian racists are flourishing as well, some say in far greater
> numbers.
Mine is the White Race which is hunted and subjected to genocide, and
had their religion hijacked.
>
> snip
>
> >>Do you think that the Aztec should have
> >> been allowed their 'sacramental stuff' so that they could continue to rip
> >> out living human hearts whicle the Caucausians celebrated their unique
> >> cultural diversity?
>
> >Yes!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> We will keep you in our prayers.
>
And I will put you and your idea that "YOU are the ONLY WAY" and will
prove it at the Point of a Sword, in mine.
> snip
>
> > Yep, White Supremacists are the worst threat the world knows, they
> > should all be hung from the nearest White Oak.
>
> One of the worst threats the world knows is racism, but bigoted
> anti-Caucausian Supremacists are just as dangerous as any other.
Yep, faggots need to learn their place, God Chose them to rule the
world.
They are the image twice made by the hand of God.
Any who deny us, deny the will of God, and spread hatred and bigotry.
Such negative thoughts need to be stopped.
>
> --
> "-----------------"
> May God Bless You
> Michael
Already Did!
Puriel/Satanachi
Azure
Therefore the Legends about Satan having no chance, being pure evil,
which God hates, is a LIE fabricated through Dantae.
Satan is one of Gods Angels, and as such has no "Personal Choice", he is
part of the unity.
Cary Kittrell
> In article <e28ebm$nja$1...@onion.ccit.arizona.edu>,
> ca...@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
>
> and not restored as well.
>
>
>
Um, I don't see where you get that:
So the LORD blessed the latter end of Job more than his
beginning: for he had fourteen thousand sheep, and six
thousand camels, and a thousand yoke of oxen, and a
thousand she asses.
He had also seven sons and three daughters.
And he called the name of the first, Jemima; and the name
of the second, Kezia; and the name of the third,
Kerenhappuch.
And in all the land were no women found so fair as the
daughters of Job: and their father gave them inheritance
among their brethren.
Sounds like a fresh batch to me. I see nothing about bringing
back the dead here.
-- cary
Michael
> Michael wrote:
> >
> > In article <44486491...@pharae.org>, Azure <ta...@pharae.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Yes it does, why do you think you call a vehicle, appliance or other
> > > thing a "SHE", because it does not meet your masculinity demands.
> >
> > At least that is the rather sexist theory of radical feminism
>
> Be that as it may, upsetting as it may be to you, it still is a "Proper
> Definition".
Be that as it may, upsetting as it may be to you, it still is a rather
sexist theory of radical feminism.
>
> who confuse
> > power with authority and servanthood with slavery and responsibility with
> > entitlement. The church is the Body and Bride of Christ.
>
> No, the "Bride" was Brigis, the "Mother of God", but she could not be
> the foster mother of Christ, because she was Lug's Mother, and Bel's
> Wife, that was a few thousand years before Christ.
Not likely, since Christ preceeded all of those mythologies.
Michael
> Michael wrote:
> >
> > In article <44486999...@pharae.org>, Azure <ta...@pharae.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Michael wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In article <4445AC24...@pharae.org>, Azure <ta...@pharae.org>
wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> And, assuming that this undefined 'church' has attacked you
> > >
> > > Sorry is in the Introduction to the Bible, my mother gave me which was
> > > written about circa 1850!!
> > >
> > > for which
> > > > there are no facts in evidence to support,
> > >
> > >
> > > None which you will ever acknowledge.
> >
> > You would first have to provide one from which to be acknowledged.
>
> Was a "Conclave of Churches, Circa 1870's.
is this the same one that you previously referred to as the eeeevil
conclave that de-canonized the book of Nature which you gave a date of
circa 1850's?
> The "Protestant Church".
> Was the Protestant Church which my family warred against, Cornwallis was
> Defender of the Faith.
> So was Piere Gautrot, Deputy of Ingonish.
> Arcadian's, followers of the Ancient Greeks, the Anti Church.
> What Church, never happened, was not Butterfly Trail, and no Cajun
> Flight.
> They never did anything.
> 1812 was the Protestant Colonialists only.
> Sure Napoleon Helped, but only because we asked.
> After removing the King from the Throne, few wanted further proof,
> atleast in France.
Nothing here about de-canonization of any book of the Bible.
> >
> > >
> > > how would you accomplish that
> > > > with specificity and particularity with the 'book of nature'?
> > >
> > > It was a Canonized Book!!
> > > Why is it now missing?
> >
> > When was it canonized?
>
> With the Original Books, way back when!
Way back when specifically and particularly?
>
> At least we have now agreed that it was not
> > 'decanonized' in 1850.
>
> No, it was during the 1870's.
Which Bible published before 1870 can this 'missing' book be found? Where
do Christ or the apostles reference this book as they do most all books of
the Old Testament?
> >
> > > Besides the "Gi Toro", is the Codex of the Book of Nature.
> > > I found a tale rich in history you were denied.
> >
> > And the 'tale rich in history' you made the judgement that I was denied is?
>
> The Gi Toro, the tale of the "Children of Nature", those who told their
> tale, by naming the mountains, rivers, lands, trees, ect.....
Since this was de-canonized in the 1870's according to your theory, which
Bible before 1870 clearly includes this book?
> >
> > > Acknotin and Neffertti's people.
> > > Their Exodus from Egypt, Greece, Babylon.
> > > The Lebor Gaebala, was given circa 1135 AD.
> > > They did not discover Acknotin and Neffertti until the 1900's.
> > > It was a joke, a great myth when it was first told to the church.
> > > But it was "PROVEN FACT".
> >
> > What is the fact?
>
> Acknotin started the beliefs and Tribes of "The One God".
Perhaps, but it was more likely Joseph which was the source for Akhenaten.
> That was the Exodus from Egypt, not as slaves, but Driven Out.
> How dare those nasty people spread the teachings of ELPH/ALPH.
> There are Gods for everything, and we make money selling secrets for
> such.
> He has bankrupted us and destroyed the churches.
> Murder them, drive them out.
> We don't want there kind around here.
Perhaps Akenhaten is relevant to the time of Moses, (some say Akhenaten
was Moses) but the Exodus was 40 years later after the restoration of the
traditional temples, more likely during the reign of Rameses.
>
>
>
> We all know Aknaten and Neffertti, even Tut, what is
> > the 'rich tale'?
>
> Do you?
> What do you know about Neffertti?
Nefertiti was the wife of the Amenhotep IV, some say either the mother or
perhaps the mother-in-law of Tutankhamun.
>
> >
> > > Kind of like the Gaelic teachings of the 6th Age, the Age of Man.
> > > There actually have been 5 extinction's, this is the 6th age.
> >
> > I would agree that this is the 6th, with the 7th close to come.
>
> How did ancient caveman know such?
From their ancestors.
Michael
> Michael wrote:
> >
> > In article <44486C2D...@pharae.org>, Azure <ta...@pharae.org> wrote:
> >
>
> > > >
> > > > Some find 'white' a racist term.
> > >
> > > It is,
> >
> > So why do you use racist terms?
> >
> > I am a Red, Magho Radji, Red Brow or Red Hat, a Term the Arian's
> > > used for "Hair Color".
> > > White, is Blonde, like Hitler and Friends.
> > > Red is Red, like the Irish
> > > Blue is Blue/Black, 2 Tribes there, Aryan and Naturals.
> > > Red, White, and Blue.
> > > The Pentagon or Pen Dragons 5 Points of Man are the Red, White, Blue,
> > > the Brownies (Half Breeds), and Naturals.
> >
> > We are all one with the Father, what is your point?
>
> Red White and Blue, are Alien Races, walking among us.
> The Fallen Angels.
> The Children of the Arianhod, the Silverwheel, which fell from the
> heavens and bored the bottomless Pit, the one which gave the Mountain a
> Voice Activated Doorway.
> Satan is the Descendant of Knowledge, because he has a "Genetic Link" to
> that Door.
> He is the Word which Opens the Doors to the Bottomless Pit.
We leave you to your proofs.
Michael
> Michael wrote:
> >
> > In article <44486C2D...@pharae.org>, Azure <ta...@pharae.org> wrote:
> >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hey, the Whites wanted to take their Sacramental Stuff, they got
> > > > > tobacco.
> > > >
> > > > Some find 'white' a racist term.
> > >
> > > It is, I am a Red, Magho Radji, Red Brow or Red Hat, a Term the Arian's
> > > used for "Hair Color".
> >
> > And who are these 'Arians' and why do you allow them to coin terms?
>
> They did it long ago, think Krishna started it.
We leave you to your proofs.
> >
> > > White, is Blonde, like Hitler and Friends.
> >
> > So when you use the offensive racist term 'white' you are referring to
> > Hiter and friends? Isn't that racist in and of itself? Do you make the
> > condemnation and racist judgement connecting imaginary dots that all
> > blondes are like Hitler and friends?
>
>
> No, but their teachings are.
> Tribes of the Moon.
IOW, you changed the story.
> >
> > So if Red stands for Red Brown or Red Hat why does 'white' stand for
> > blonde and Hitler?
>
> Ask the Aryans?
> Better Yet ask an Episcopal, the Burglar's.
And what do you anticipate that they would say?
> >
> > Racists come in many colours, there are Caucausian racists, but
> > anti-Caucausian racists are flourishing as well, some say in far greater
> > numbers.
>
> Mine is the White Race which is hunted and subjected to genocide, and
> had their religion hijacked.
So you say, we will leave you to your proofs, absent here.
> >
> > snip
> >
> > >>Do you think that the Aztec should have
> > >> been allowed their 'sacramental stuff' so that they could continue to rip
> > >> out living human hearts whicle the Caucausians celebrated their unique
> > >> cultural diversity?
> >
> > >Yes!!!!!!!!!!!
> >
> > We will keep you in our prayers.
> >
> And I will put you and your idea that "YOU are the ONLY WAY" and will
> prove it at the Point of a Sword, in mine.
We will keep you in our prayers.
>
> > snip
> >
> > > Yep, White Supremacists are the worst threat the world knows, they
> > > should all be hung from the nearest White Oak.
> >
> > One of the worst threats the world knows is racism, but bigoted
> > anti-Caucausian Supremacists are just as dangerous as any other.
>
> Yep, faggots need to learn their place, God Chose them to rule the
> world.
> They are the image twice made by the hand of God.
> Any who deny us, deny the will of God, and spread hatred and bigotry.
> Such negative thoughts need to be stopped.
Sounds a wee bit like bigotry, hate speech and heterophobia with a touch
of religious bigotry thrown in for good measure.
Michael
> Michael wrote:
> >
> > In article <e28ebm$nja$1...@onion.ccit.arizona.edu>,
> > ca...@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
> >
>
> > >
> > > God's apparent indifference to that fact tends to underscore
> > > the entire theme of the story, at least to me.
> >
> > Then put away the assumptions and metaphysical restrictions you place on
> > God in the event and realize that God restored everyone,
>
> Therefore the Legends about Satan having no chance, being pure evil,
> which God hates, is a LIE fabricated through Dantae.
> Satan is one of Gods Angels, and as such has no "Personal Choice", he is
> part of the unity.
In a way, but not quite the paraphrase as you present it. Isaiah 45:7* I
form light and create darkness, I make weal and create woe, I am the LORD,
who do all these things.
Michael
ca...@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
The set for this event after chapter 2 focuses on the earth, not the heavens.
Cary Kittrell
> In article <e2iufp$s53$1...@onion.ccit.arizona.edu>,
Beg pardon? I'm not understanding what you say here; please try again.
-- cary
Gray Shockley
(in article <mikeburt-240...@192.168.1.105>):
This is the "god guy", right?
"I make weal and create woe."
What sort of perv could worship something that slimy and disgusting?
Gray Shockley
---------------------------
I like shrimp so
that god is out.
Gray Shockley
(in article <mikeburt-240...@192.168.1.105>):
And Earth is that with which we have to deal.
You may be privy to the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy and
Heaven but those of us that do not do hallucinogens do not and this life is
all we can be sure of and it is in this world we dwell.
If there is an afterlife, there are only two things of which we can be
certain: we'll have to change planes at Atlanta and the Hare Krishnas will be
there at Hartsfield-Jackson to annoy us.
And there we would part company. You'll attempting to board the Harp Special
Red-eye and I'll be handed a gin-and-tonic (double squeeze lime) and a Martin
DB-21 will be waiting for me on my seat.
And I'll embrace it all with combat support arms and open arms. It'll have to
be Hell because Heaven seems to attract such a wimpy clientele.
A guy tried to buy me a drink one time and, when I refused it, he asked me
why. And I simply responded with the old pride, "I never drink with anyone
with whom I would be ashamed to die."
Say, are you named after Michael the Arc-Anal?
Gray Shockley
------------------------------
In President Bush's vision
of the Apocalypse, there
are four Shetland ponies.
Cary Kittrell
> >
>
> On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:44:17 -0500, Michael wrote
>
> > In article <444AD054...@pharae.org>, Azure <ta...@pharae.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Michael wrote:
> >>>
> >>> In article <e28ebm$nja$1...@onion.ccit.arizona.edu>,
> >>> ca...@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
> >>>
> >>
> >>>>
> >>>> God's apparent indifference to that fact tends to underscore
> >>>> the entire theme of the story, at least to me.
> >>>
> >>> Then put away the assumptions and metaphysical restrictions you place on
> >>> God in the event and realize that God restored everyone,
> >>
> >> Therefore the Legends about Satan having no chance, being pure evil,
> >> which God hates, is a LIE fabricated through Dantae.
> >> Satan is one of Gods Angels, and as such has no "Personal Choice", he is
> >> part of the unity.
> >
> > In a way, but not quite the paraphrase as you present it. Isaiah 45:7* I
> > form light and create darkness, I make weal and create woe, I am the LORD,
> > who do all these things.
>
>
> This is the "god guy", right?
>
> "I make weal and create woe."
>
>
> What sort of perv could worship something that slimy and disgusting?
Well, yeah...but you do have to admire Its way with words. I mean,
"weal"? I had to OED that one. (turns out it's something that makes
it nearly impossible for you to make it to heaven).
But then again, I suppose some out-of-work but talented scrivener
may have put that word it Its mouth. I mean, there was a surfeit
of those in Betsy's England, back in the day.
-- cary
Michael
ca...@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
The focus of the event recorded is about Job and events on the earth, the
first family was restored well beyond the restoration of Job on the earth.
Cary Kittrell
> In article <e2je1p$5cj$1...@onion.ccit.arizona.edu>,
> first family was restored well beyond the restoration of Job on the earth.
You're saying that Job got his lost family back in heaven?
Hmmmm.... I find that a bit unsatisfying, for several reasons...
-- we do not know that to be the case; it certainly is not
mentioned in the story.
-- as far as I know, the concept of an afterlife is not
a theme of the Bible up to this point.
-- tell me: if you were to lose beloved family or friends to accident,
would the thought of gaining them back after death completely
restore to you the delight and contentment you felt before
they were snatched away from you?
-- this could be used to minimize and discount any tragedy,
no matter how vast or how undeserved -- from the Holocaust
on up.
-- cary
Gray Shockley
(in article <e2lhdr$4g9$1...@onion.ccit.arizona.edu>):
-------------------------------------------------
Isaiah 45
4For the sake of my servant Jacob,
and Israel my chosen,
I call you by your name,
I surname you, though you do not know me.
5I am the Lord, and there is no other;
besides me there is no god.
I arm you, though you do not know me,
6so that they may know, from the rising of the sun
and from the west, that there is no one besides me;
I am the Lord, and there is no other.
7I form light and create darkness,
I make weal and create woe;
I the Lord do all these things.
Ah, but it surely beith in the days of the rain and the thunder of Betsy
Junior. It beith the Revised Standard Virgin.
Jim's boys would haveit thusly:
Isaiah 45:4-7
45:4 For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called
thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.
45:5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I
girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
45:6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that
there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.
45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I
the LORD do all these things.
No matter which virgin of Ike, that's a confession of the creation of evil.
Book him, Dano.
Michael
ca...@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
Nothing makes it impossible to 'get to heaven', certainly not weal which
is defined, even in modern English as a sound, healthy, or prosperous
state of WELL-BEING. How could you ever twist weal to mean something that
makes it nearly impossible to get to heaven? Are you using the dictionary
of Biblical illiteracy?
1Corinthians 15:22* For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be
made alive.
That does not guarantee that all men have the same riches stored there
when they arrive or that 'arriving' is not without unnecessary additional
purification.
>
> But then again, I suppose some out-of-work but talented scrivener
> may have put that word it Its mouth. I mean, there was a surfeit
> of those in Betsy's England, back in the day.
Possibly although you have presented no evidence to support your opinion,
if you do not have an Elizabethian dictionary, you would do well to read
the Hebrew which states more suscintly that God created all there is and
avoids the Elizabethian word weal altogether. But there is no evidence
that the use of the English word for the Hebrew idioim was a result of an
'out-of-work scrivener nor that there was a surfiet of them in Elizabeth I
day. I will leave you to your proofs that the idiom was poorly
translated.
The Creator did create with certain design parameters, and He lawfully
disclosed with full due process how to maximize the experience, or how to
minimize it. Following the owner's manual is helpful.
Cary Kittrell
Well, so much for my assumption of "If I don't recognize, it must
be obsolete".
Incidentally, here's a nice site for such comparisons; I use it
frequently:
www.bible.cc
It gives eight side-by-side translations of verses you specify.
-- cary
Cary Kittrell
> In article <e2lhdr$4g9$1...@onion.ccit.arizona.edu>,
> is defined, even in modern English as a sound, healthy, or prosperous
> state of WELL-BEING. How could you ever twist weal to mean something that
> makes it nearly impossible to get to heaven? Are you using the dictionary
> of Biblical illiteracy?
I'm using the Oxford English Dictionary, which gives a primary meaning
as "wealth, riches, possessions". And Jesus himself said that riches make it
... well, you know the camel bit -- which is why I quote consciously chose
the word "nearly".
>
>
> 1Corinthians 15:22* For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be
> made alive.
>
> That does not guarantee that all men have the same riches stored there
> when they arrive or that 'arriving' is not without unnecessary additional
> purification.
>
> >
> > But then again, I suppose some out-of-work but talented scrivener
> > may have put that word it Its mouth. I mean, there was a surfeit
> > of those in Betsy's England, back in the day.
>
> Possibly although you have presented no evidence to support your opinion,
> if you do not have an Elizabethian dictionary, you would do well to read
> the Hebrew which states more suscintly that God created all there is and
> avoids the Elizabethian word weal altogether.
Um, "weal" was not the word which was brought up to support the point
under contention; that word was "woe".
I was babbling about "weal" purely because it caught my attention, that's
all. You seem to think I was trying to make some point. I was not.
(and as Gray pointed out, I assumed the wrong translation anyhow)
> But there is no evidence
> that the use of the English word for the Hebrew idioim was a result of an
> 'out-of-work scrivener nor that there was a surfiet of them in Elizabeth I
> day. I will leave you to your proofs that the idiom was poorly
> translated.
Well, that will be brief, as I was in no way arguing that it was
poorly translated. I was merely making a whimsical (q.v.)
observation.
>
> The Creator did create with certain design parameters, and He lawfully
> disclosed with full due process how to maximize the experience, or how to
> minimize it. Following the owner's manual is helpful.
Hmmmmm?
-- cary
Michael
ca...@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
No, I am saying that what they got in heaven was more than they gave up on
earth.
>
> Hmmmm.... I find that a bit unsatisfying,
Not surprised.
>for several reasons...
>
>
> -- we do not know that to be the case; it certainly is not
> mentioned in the story.
It is in the greater context of Scripture.
>
> -- as far as I know, the concept of an afterlife is not
> a theme of the Bible up to this point.
Which means that the problem could be with your knowledge.
>
> -- tell me: if you were to lose beloved family or friends to accident,
> would the thought of gaining them back after death completely
> restore to you the delight and contentment you felt before
> they were snatched away from you?
Of course there is the suffer of loss in the present, but the present is a
very short period of time compared to the end of the story where there is
no time.
>
> -- this could be used to minimize and discount any tragedy,
> no matter how vast or how undeserved -- from the Holocaust
> on up.
Understanding perhaps, but not necessarily minimizing nor discounting.
How do you think that many survived the holocaust? those who knew these
things had far more comfort than those who didn't.
Michael
graysh...@gmail.com wrote:
True, for God created the light, darkness is merely what is left when God
is shut out.
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
me stuck in the middle, frightful of falling into either camp.
If this *ever* became the "Christian Nation" the far right seems to be
struggling for, the greater portion of the population which declares
themselves to be "Christians" (including myself) will be the very first
killed after being declared *heretics*
You people, both the left, and right (who write mile-long posts) terrorify
me no end !
"Gray Shockley" <graysh...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.C05708B9...@news.giganews.com...
> On Mon, 3 Apr 2006 13:59:22 -0500, Anonymous wrote
> (in article <DAFYGUEE38810.5828935185@anonymous.poster>):
>
>> On 3 Apr 2006 "Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kan...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> kin...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>> No surprise to rational minds. But praying for other people to recover
>>>> from an illness is ineffective, according to the largest, best-designed
>>>>
>>>> study to examine the power of prayer to heal strangers at a distance.
>>>> The study found that those who had people praying for them had as many
>>>>
>>>> complications as those who did not. In fact, one group of studied
>>>> patients who knew they were the subject of prayers fared worse!
>>>
>>> This study only focused on those being prayed for, not those sick
>>> praying for themselves. Those being prayed for didn't even know, in
>>> many cases, they were being prayed for. Jesus said faith is the key to
>>>
>>> healing. So, if the sick weren't believing themselves, it wouldn't
>>> matter who was praying for them. They must believe in God's power to
>>>
>>> heal them, themselves.
>>>
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>>
>> Excellent response! And it really isn't so much the quantity of
>
>>
>> faith, but is the quality, the purity, the selfless humility of
>> faith whose countenance shines like the Sun and moves mountains.
>>
>> So it is good that the devoutly-religious Atheists obsessively,
>> rabidly, hate and ineptly criticize Jesus Christ & his Ekklesia
>> for the short space of time they are allotted: Because it helps
>> to test the loyalty of the true believer's faith in the face of
>
>> such abominable blasphemers who assuredly know not what they do;
>> for if they did, then they most assuredly would NOT be doing it.
>
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> These rabidly-insane Anti-American Anti-Judeo-Xian lunatics
> are nothing short gun fodder! But don't worry, we'll *NAIL*
> them once our Patriot Act III kicks into high gear, that is
> once Al-Qaeda attacks the continental USA with WMDs as they
> have repeatedly threatened to do. Ironic, isn't it? Al-Qaeda
> and Usama Bin Laden consistently parrot the liberal Democrat
> talking points, and yet Al-Qaeda's next attack will provide
> our President sufficient ammunition to COMPLETELY take down
> these Anti-American *liberal terrorists* once and for all.
>
> By "banning" the colors of the rainbow, the colors of Iris,
> of the eye of the Sky, these Anti-American inhuman *vermin*
> have proven to the American majority, to devout Judeo-Xians
> across this great land that liberals are indeed and in fact
> Enemy Combatants which need to be apprehended and euthanized
> in order to protect our communities, our nation and the world
> from the oft-lethal bite of the serpent of Rabidity. Liberals
> (an oxymoronic label considering how INTOLERANT they've become
> against God, against his son Jesus Christ and against us Judeo-
> Xian ruling majority of Americans throughout the land--most of
> all in the "Red" counties of all 50 states). Thus we see that
> the so-called "liberals" really should be called what they are,
> rabidly-insane intolerant Anti-American Anti-Xian inhuman scum-
> bags who are in dire need of a nationwide, ultimately worldwide
> ATTITUDE ADJUSTMENT!
>
> These filthy Anti-Christ animals HATE God and Jesus Christ so
> much nowadays (especially since the LOST the election--AGAIN!)
> that they now HATE nature, the universe and ALL God's infinite
> creation, sustenance and destruction. We devout Judeo-Xians can
> see that the great judicial astrologer and prophet Dr. Michel
> de Nostradamus did NOT write in vain that theirs would be the
> kingdom of Rabidity, even condoning homosexual marriage which
> measures the very DEPTHS of their treason against God, Family
> and Country! Yea, Reckoning Day is coming SOON to a theatre of
> combat near every man, woman and child on planet Earth--save
> for the ekklesia, those covered in the blood of Jesus Christ,
> against whom the trials and tribulations of the world (worse
> now than ever in human history, nor shall ever be/Matthew 24),
> are wholly insufficient to conquer us, but much rather they've
> roused the undiluted *IRE* of the Gods of Olympvs, the FURIES!
>
> ALL Anti-Christ liberals are criminally-insane Enemy Combatants
> under the Patriot Act. Let's hunt these vermin down and REMOVE
> their diseased and dysfunctional chakric candelabrums from out
> of the place of it PERMANENTLY.
>
> Merry Christmas!
> Daniel Joseph Min
>
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Cary Kittrell
mike...@ix.netcom.com (Michael)
{...}
> >
> > You're saying that Job got his lost family back in heaven?
>
> No, I am saying that what they got in heaven was more than they gave up on
> earth.
>
> >
> > Hmmmm.... I find that a bit unsatisfying,
>
> Not surprised.
>
> >for several reasons...
> >
> >
> > -- we do not know that to be the case; it certainly is not
> > mentioned in the story.
>
> It is in the greater context of Scripture.
>
> >
> > -- as far as I know, the concept of an afterlife is not
> > a theme of the Bible up to this point.
>
> Which means that the problem could be with your knowledge.
>
> >
> > -- tell me: if you were to lose beloved family or friends to accident,
> > would the thought of gaining them back after death completely
> > restore to you the delight and contentment you felt before
> > they were snatched away from you?
>
> Of course there is the suffer of loss in the present, but the present is a
> very short period of time compared to the end of the story where there is
> no time.
>
>
> >
> > -- this could be used to minimize and discount any tragedy,
> > no matter how vast or how undeserved -- from the Holocaust
> > on up.
>
> Understanding perhaps, but not necessarily minimizing nor discounting.
> How do you think that many survived the holocaust? those who knew these
> things had far more comfort than those who didn't.
Well, I don't know what more I can say, other than to me, this:
10 And the LORD turned the captivity of Job, when he prayed for his
friends: also the LORD gave Job twice as much as he had before.
11 Then came there unto him all his brethren, and all his sisters, and
all they that had been of his acquaintance before, and did eat bread
with him in his house: and they bemoaned him, and comforted him over
all the evil that the LORD had brought upon him: every man also gave
him a piece of money, and every one an earring of gold.
12 So the LORD blessed the latter end of Job more than his beginning:
for he had fourteen thousand sheep, and six thousand camels, and a
thousand yoke of oxen, and a thousand she asses.
13 He had also seven sons and three daughters.
14 And he called the name of the first, Jemima; and the name of the
second, Kezia; and the name of the third, Kerenhappuch.
15 And in all the land were no women found so fair as the daughters of
Job: and their father gave them inheritance among their brethren.
16 After this lived Job an hundred and forty years, and saw his sons,
and his sons' sons, even four generations.
17 So Job died, being old and full of days.
is most unmistakeably desribing how Job's lot was restored in this
world and in this life.
And thus I am forced to repeat: no concern is shown for the sons,
daughters, servants -- and animals -- sacrificed to make a
grand dramatic gesture ... and who do not get to come back
for this supposedly uplifting denouement.
-- cary
Cary Kittrell
> In article <0001HW.C073DEF4...@news.giganews.com>,
> graysh...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> is shut out.
>
You know, what it actually does say is "I...create evil".
[other translations: "create calamity", "send[ing] troubles", "prepar[ing] evil"]
-- cary
Nem
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> You extream right //////SNIP//////
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Azure
I did say sometime around 1850-1870, "YES", I can dig up the exact date,
but you still won't accept that, you only want hatred and argument.
I have a "Railroaders Bible" written during the time discussing the
issue.
So what you don't know is "YOUR IGNORANCE", not my fantasy or illusion.
Michael wrote:
>
> In article <444ACBFE...@pharae.org>, Azure <ta...@pharae.org> wrote:
>
> > Michael wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <44486999...@pharae.org>, Azure <ta...@pharae.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Michael wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > In article <4445AC24...@pharae.org>, Azure <ta...@pharae.org>
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> And, assuming that this undefined 'church' has attacked you
You must be a Campbell, but then they never tried to destroy the Mac
Donalds, that is just a myth, like the Pharae.
Burglars always were the word, the descendants are liars.
> > > >
> > > > Sorry is in the Introduction to the Bible, my mother gave me which was
> > > > written about circa 1850!!
> > > >
> > > > for which
> > > > > there are no facts in evidence to support,
Not to you, no.
You would not accept it, if it was carved in stone in the middle of your
forehead.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > None which you will ever acknowledge.
> > >
> > > You would first have to provide one from which to be acknowledged.
The Church's altered the words of God and Jesus, to sell better.
> >
> > Was a "Conclave of Churches, Circa 1870's.
>
> is this the same one that you previously referred to as the eeeevil
> conclave that de-canonized the book of Nature which you gave a date of
> circa 1850's?
>
> > The "Protestant Church".
YEP, Protestant, and Anglican!
More, the Bible I have, say's they altered the Bible to keep people from
arguing SETH, in defense to the Church.
That is the homosexual's.
Seth was the 3rd Son, the image twice made by the hand of God.
It also talks of the Apocrypha, one I especially like:
"Bel and the Dragon", stricken by the Church's because it was to
"Eastern in Philosophy".
But then Railroaders where just New Agers, some flippant cult which went
through America a few years ago.
Like when the Mole People, led the last Exodus.
I never said the Lebor Gaebala was ever Biblical Scripture.
The story is the First Affidavit of Inquisition, circa 1135 AD.
It is the Tale of Bel.
Bel and the Dragon is Apocrypha.
The story of the Book which I have is also a Movie, Dragons and Mazes,
with Tom Hanks.
One should not "play" Dagda.
The Teachings of the Badb are stricken by the Catholic Church as "The
Only teachings, causing True Possession".
The Teachings of the LAW are quit powerful.
Azure
The Bible, the Baghavadghita, the Tibetan Book of the Dead.
The "Facts" are endless, you demand I submit some unknown myth, which
you perceive the words to mean.
>
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Do you think that the Aztec should have
> > > > > been allowed their 'sacramental stuff' so that they could continue
> to rip
> > > > > out living human hearts whicle the Caucausians celebrated their unique
> > > > > cultural diversity?
> > > >
> > > > Yes!!!!!!!!!!!
> > >
> > > IOW, you believe in human sacrifice? Ripping out living human hearts and
> > > celebrating the diversity?
> > >
> > > > The Bible tells of Sacrificing Humans by the Tribes, it talks of Abraham
> > > > sacrificing his Son.
> > >
> > > Actually, it doesn't. It tells of Abraham's obedience, but it was God
> > > that provided the Lamb.
No, read it again, one who personally talked with God, let some one
else, talk him out of performing a Sacrifice which God demanded he make.
The Angel was not god.
As I see it, that would be your "Satan" tempting Abraham, and Satan won.
> > >
> > > > The Aztec's either took willing sacrifice or slaughtered their captors.
> > >
> > > A rather interesting spin. the first is unlikely, the second an
> > > impossibility.
In your dreams.
You just want to fight.
So, up yours.
Enjoy the weather.
I came to find help, not hate filled idiots who only want to destroy
people.
I can do that, but evil me, I choose not to.
I do not want to be like "YOU".
Azure
Azure
So if God Created Satan, he is Part of the Circle, and necessary for a
balanced existence.
The statement would mean unlike most Christian beliefs, that God is in
the Image of the Kali, "All Things".
Like the Bible say's Satan is "Prince of the powers", so therefore Satan
has a "KING", and as an "ANGEL" unlike man he is a creation of God, and
agent of God, with no free will.