IUFS News update
MosheW
http://www.iufs.edu/Govt_Registration.html
The Russian Federation Ministry of Education
Renews and issues new license to the University of Fundamental Studies in St.
Petersburg Russian Federation.
Licensing
Licensing is a procedure whereby an educational institution is granted the
right to carry out educational programmes in relevant fields of study
(specialities) and at corresponding levels of education. It consists of the
recognition of expertise, the taking of decisions, and the issuing of a duly
worded authorization, i.e., a license.Licensing is based on the results of an
evaluation carried out by expert commissions that are composed of
representatives of educational authorities (federal and local), educational
institutions, and the public. The aim of the evaluation is to determine whether
or not conditions for the implementation of educational programmes at a given
educational establishment correspond to state and local requirements with
regard to construction norms and rules, sanitary and hygienic standards,
possibilities for health care for students and academic staff, the equipping of
the premises and the teaching and learning processes with the proper
infrastructure, the staffing of the institution, and the educational
qualifications of the academic staff. The content, organization, and
methodologies of the teaching and learning processes are not included in this
evaluation. The license is issued by the state education authorities or, on
their behalf, by the local (municipal) education authorities on the basis of
the conclusions of the expert commission.
P J French
'deem' to be a part of IUFS?
What other institutions are so 'licensed'? How does this compare with the
standard Russian University as far as credentialing goes?
This 'registration' comparing it simply to the US scene is equivalent to
what exactly?
A Regional accredititation - no?
B State licensing e.g. California - no?
C Acceptable in Oregon - no?
D Wyoming - maybe?
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MosheW
Recognition by Russian Ministry of Education is regarded very high.
This is not Liberia :-)
> What other institutions are so 'licensed'?
One out of many examples:
The Academy of National Economy under the government of Russian Federation.
IUFS is recognized in Russia as an International University its not a State
University.
Very reputable evaluation agency
evaluated IUFS degrees as equivalent to US RA degrees.
The evaluator is ex President of top 5 University in the world - Institute on
College Admission'95, author of a published paper on foreign students at
Harvard FAS,and other Universities of, former judge at court, National, CMA,
PBB, AACRAO (American Association of Collegiate Registrars and Admissions
Officers) and NAFSA Conference speaker on foreign Credential evaluations
The agency is a member of NAFSA, AACRAO, ACE, NAGAP National Association of
Graduate Admissions Professionals
They are 50 Higher education specialists, mostly Directors of Admissions,
Professors, Ph.D., Holders, Psychologists, Recognized Grades evaluators,
Notaries and certified translators etc.
IUFS - membership in Russian Academy of sciences makes educational institution
to an Institute and its degrees are accepted by all Universities in Russia and
East Europe.
Some 1
> Ok - so 'how' does that place American
> Coastline degrees, and others who
> 'deem' to be a part of IUFS?
> What other institutions are so 'licensed'?
> How does this compare with the
> standard Russian University as far as
> credentialing goes?
Given IUFS' questionable associations, I would want to see a lot more
evidence of its academic credibility before I sent them any money at
all.
That would include evidence that other Russian universities (one's that
people have actually heard of) accept IUFS graduates. I would want to
see IUFS publishing its work in peer-reviewed journals, taking part in
academic conferences and engaged in collaborative research projects.
If this thing is really a respectable Russian doctoral-level university,
then I want to see some independent and reliable evidence that the
Russian and international academic, scientific and professional
communities actually give it the respect they claim.
> This 'registration' comparing it simply to
> the US scene is equivalent to what
> exactly?
> A Regional accredititation - no?
That's certainly what they want us to believe. I don't believe it,
though.
> B State licensing e.g. California - no?
Could be. Except that some of the IUFS associated individuals seem to
reside in California where they have had little luck getting their
earlier enterprises approved, except through religious exemptions to
state licensing laws.
> C Acceptable in Oregon - no?
Probably not until the credibility of whatever quality assurance
procedure that IUFS has suppposedly undergone is determined to be
equivalent to American accreditation.
> D Wyoming - maybe?
That's what it sounds like to me.
MosheW
Many don't match your criteria but are they legit?
In other counties DETC accreditation is questionable.
Any way my point is that IUFS is not like old traditional universities in
Russian Federation that exist hundreds of years
and have reach academic history and produce famous mathematicians, phicisists,
scolars and scientists.
It's only was granted first license in 98.
In USA we have top 20 or top 100 or top 1000 and lower grade recognized
schools.
Yes, and no one is forcing you to study at IUFS.
St. Petersburg State University of Aerospace Instrumentation admits
IUFS graduates in to post graduate degree programs.
Actually they collaborate and IUFS Engineering and Computer Science Faculty is
a joint venture of the 2 universities.
There are many other State universities that colaborate with IUFS.
As a preporatory school one may study in Russia and take exams in England and
become an MD - University of Dundy ( not crocodile)
MosheW
Here is a prove of your not knowing the Russian educational system.
(published within the UNESCO-CEPES series Papers on Higher Education)
Oleg Kouptsov and Yuri Tatur Table of Contents
Bucharest: UNESCO-CEPES, 2001
MUTUAL RECOGNITION OF QUALIFICATIONS:
THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION
AND
THE OTHER EUROPEAN COUNTRIES
Second Edition
compiled by
Dr. Oleg KOUPTSOV
Bucharest, 2000
QUALITY CONTROL
As a result of the changes that occurred in the Russian Federation after 1990,
and in order to ensure quality and efficiency, a new national mechanism for
quality control and assessment was introduced. This mechanism includes:
the state educational standard;
licensing;
7.1. The State Educational Standard
The State educational standard is a set of nationally recognized requirements
laid down by the State which determines a mandatory minimum for the contents of
educational programmes, the maximum work loads assigned to students, as well as
general course loads and requirements to be met by graduates. The State
Educational Standard of Higher Professional Education was developed by teaching
and methodological associations that brought together higher education
institutions in relevant fields of study on the basis of a competition
organized by the State Committee for Higher Education and approved by Decree
No. 940 of 12 August 1994 of the Government of the Russian Federation.It covers
the following:
the structure of higher education and state documents certifying graduation
from a higher education institution;
a list of fields of study (specialities);
the state requirements for mandatory minima of the contents of educational
programmes (basic educational programmes) and of knowledge and skills to be met
by graduates;
the state requirements for the general course load of an educational programme
and for the maximum work load assigned to students;
the state control mechanism for the implementation of the State educational
standard for higher professional education.The mandatory minimum for the
content of an educational programme (basic educational programme) constitutes
the so-called federal component of the educational programme. It can be
complemented by the regional component which reflects national and regional
requirements in regard to the content of education. Each higher education
establishment develops its own educational programmes which must include the
federal component and may also contain the regional component and components
designed by the particular higher education institution.
7.2. Licensing
Licensing is a procedure whereby an educational institution is granted the
right to carry out educational programmes in relevant fields of study
(specialities) and at corresponding levels of education. It consists of the
recognition of expertise, the taking of decisions, and the issuing of a duly
worded authorization, i.e., a license.Licensing is based on the results of an
evaluation carried out by expert commissions that are composed of
representatives of educational authorities (federal and local), educational
institutions, and the public. The aim of the evaluation is to determine whether
or not conditions for the implementation of educational programmes at a given
educational establishment correspond to state and local requirements with
regard to construction norms and rules, sanitary and hygienic standards,
possibilities for health care for students and academic staff, the equipping of
the premises and the teaching and learning processes with the proper
infrastructure, the staffing of the institution, and the educational
qualifications of the academic staff. The content, organization, and
methodologies of the teaching and learning processes are not included in this
evaluation. The license is issued by the state education authorities or, on
their behalf, by the local (municipal) education authorities on the basis of
the conclusions of the expert commission. This licensing procedure has no
equivalent in the western European countries but is somewhat comparable to
state licensing procedures in the United States of America.
--------------------------------------------------------------
Members in Russian Academy of Science are enjoying status of an INSTITUTE in
Russia and their degrees are equivalent to State Issued degrees.
Russian Academies of Science are recognized by Higher Attestation Comity.
Dennis Ruhl
If you are looking for a degree from an unknown school in a foreign
country that would have almost zero acceptance in the United States,
IUFS is the school for you.
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MosheW
Your post have no backing in the real world.
As any University when it comes to foreign credential they use credential
evaluation report
and other criteria.
As I posted before the report by very respected agency clearly states that it
is equivalent to US RA.
I think that US RA school should be the first choice, specially if the degree
is used in USA.
If degree is to be used in another country than it's better to check with that
countries
officials if the US school in question recognized in that country.
There is a list of recognized US universities and not all US RA universities
are recognized
overseas, or all programs.
John Bear
I am not aware of any of the 3,000+ US colleges and universities that would
accept credit or degrees from IUFS as a regular policy, as they would from any of
the other 3,000.
Anyone considering any degree should be certain that it will meet their needs. In
my opinion, for the vast majority of people, this one will not.
If MosheW or Swift Eagle Justice, or anyone else associated with IUFS can name
even one US school that will routinely accept their degree, that would be a
(small) step in the right direction.
MosheW
I will start by stating that I totally respect what you have to say and to me
you are the authority
on non traditional and DL education in USA.
I don't know any US colleges and universities that would
accept credit or degrees from IUFS as a regular policy.
I do know that some of IUFS graduates were accepted in to RA universities in
USA without any problems.
I will not jeopardize this people and will keep their schools undisclosed at
this time.
One RA on-line school accepted the IUFS credential for teaching part time.
They advertise on Monster.com
The only school I will mention is AICIS -
DETC accredited.
They were ready to accept an IUFS graduate in to their MIS program but he
didn't join them because of the rumor that they may have problem with renewal
of their accreditation.
So I don't know if this is regular policy and if you say it's not than it's
not.
P J French
It is beautiful - the response and maybe quite fitting, but then maybe Moshe
is right and the rest of us are not.
Anyway it said -
Did you mean: "PhD IS"
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MosheW
this is what came up:
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John Bear
> I do know that some of IUFS graduates were accepted in to RA universities in
> USA without any problems.
>
> I will not jeopardize this people and will keep their schools undisclosed at
> this time.
In other words, IUFS graduates will live in constant lifelong fear that someone
will discover where they earned their degree, and put them in jeopardy.
Thank you for admitting that this is the case, MosheW. What a way to live.
MosheW
What RA schools publish and state officially is not 100% followed and some are
more flexible then others in admitting students to grad school.
By contacting this schools and making big deal out of this they may change
their policy.
The reason IUFS is bushed is mostly because of it affiliations.
I don't like the efiliations to ACU and others here in US, it maybe generates
$$$ but it hurts IUFS in long run.
But they are legit in Russia and have healthy affiliations there.
Some 1
> I just typed "PhD IUFS" in to Google
> It is beautiful - the response and maybe
> quite fitting, but then maybe Moshe is
> right and the rest of us are not.
> Anyway it said -
> No standard web pages containing all
> your search terms were found.
> Your search - "PhD IUFS" - did not
> match any documents.
I just did the same search and got the same result: no hits.
But when I did a search for "international university of fundamental
studies", I got a quite a few hits that definitely define what IUFS
seems to be.
There were several spurious unrecognized "accreditors". (Some apparently
run by people associated with IUFS.) There were links to questionable
unrecognized universities that claim to be IUFS associates. (Some
apparently run by people associated with IUFS.) There were some funding
solicitations for grandiose projects. There were lots of college guide
websites that seem to be marketing instruments. And to top it off, there
was an unfavorable reference to them in that reliable 'Wannabe Unis'
article in the 'The Australian'.
I didn't see descriptions of IUFS research or scholarship. I didn't see
publications or presentations. I didn't see references to them by
internationally recognized scholarly or professional organizations. I
didn't see awards, grants or fellowships.
Needless to say, this is a very different Google-signature than one
finds with clearly legitimate universities.
I remain extremely skeptical.
Randy Harris
employees after learning that resumes included degree mill credentials.
What would (or could) an RA university do about a graduate degree it had
awarded after learning that the admission was based on a questionable
credential. It certainly would be a source of embarrassment for the
institution, but could they rescind the graduate degree?
Just curious...
Randy Harris
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MosheW
couldn't afford US$ 20,000 for AIU.
There are many non IUFS graduates or graduates to be this year with student
loans of thems or even hundreds thousands that don't know how will they pay
this.
The job market in last couple of years was very bad.
This people have hard time to sleep at night.
Some are considering bankruptcy.
There are good alternatives in USA that are only $125 per credit hour and
community collages even cheaper.
Thomas Nixon
Randy Harris wrote:
>John, we've seen a number of examples where companies have terminated
>employees after learning that resumes included degree mill credentials.
>What would (or could) an RA university do about a graduate degree it had
>awarded after learning that the admission was based on a questionable
>credential. It certainly would be a source of embarrassment for the
>institution, but could they rescind the graduate degree?
>
>Just curious...
>Randy Harris
>
>
I'm obviously not John, but I coudn't imagine anyone wanting to draw
attention to the fact that they blew it. Plus, as a general rule,
degrees aren't like teaching credentials or law licenses. Once you've
got it, you've got it. You don't need to keep earning it again and again.
Tom Nixon
--
Author, Bears' Guide to Earning High School Diplomas Nontraditionally (2003)
Ten Speed Press (http://www.tenspeed.com)
http://www.tomnixon.net
Dennis Ruhl
IUFS does have recognition beyond the unrecognized American
accreditation claimed.
It made the A list of The Australian review of schools - degree mill,
as did their fine American affiliate American Coastline University.
I especially like the challenging program of their theology program run
by Rev. Chief Dr. Dr. Dr. Swift Eagle. "Complete your BA or MA with
life experience."
Sell your stuff somewhere else.
Dennis Ruhl
MosheW wrote:
> *
> Recognition by Russian Ministry of Education is regarded very high.
>
> This is not Liberia :-)
You say tomato, I say tomawto.
Perhaps if you are trying to impress people about a lack of corruption,
there are a few better examples than Russia.
Mark Israel
> What would (or could) an RA university do about a graduate degree it had
> awarded after learning that the admission was based on a questionable
> credential. It certainly would be a source of embarrassment for the
> institution, but could they rescind the graduate degree?
Yes.
05/05/92
CONTACT: Stanford University News Service (415) 723-2558
Senate votes to rescind student's diploma
STANFORD -- The Faculty Senate voted Thursday, April 30, to rescind
the degree of a former student who apparently was admitted to
Stanford on the basis of a fraudulent transcript.
The senate in June 1990 had routinely granted the student a bachelor
of arts degree.
-- http://www.stanford.edu/dept/news/relaged/920505Arc2236.html
MosheW
is issue of level of recognition of the degrees issued by IUFS.
Any school graduate wouldn't want someone calling their next school and create
problems.
The credential evaluation made by very respected and recognized agency by a
professional evaluator who lectured in 23 countries in the world and NAFSA
speaker on equivalency of international or foreign degrees.
Hi is ex President of HARVARD UNIVERSITY SICA.
I will privetly email the report and evaluators credentials to Dr. John Bear.
Agency team are specialized by countries or group of countries. They utilize
the guidelines of National Council on the evaluation of Foreign Educational
Credentials, NAFSA, AACRAO, ACE Harvard and Columbia university grades
equivalency tables, and INS rules on Experiential equivalencies. They however
have a dynamic approach that take into account the specificity and academic
traditions of each country. (For example, in France an 11/20 in French language
should be considered higher that the same grade in Mathematics) Experience:
Since 1996, has evaluated more than 1 500 students (US and Foreign) aiming at
Undergraduate, Graduate and Post Graduate studies in the American System of
Higher education or for Immigration: We evaluated transcripts from Angola,
Argentina, Australia, Austria, Belgium, Cambodia, China, Columbia, Djibouti,
Egypt, Guinea, India, Iraq, Israel, Italy, Japan, Korea, France, Germany,
Guinea, Hong Kong, Kazakhstan, Madagascar, Mauritania, Mexico, Morocco,
Nigeria, Pakistan, Peru, Poland, Romania, Russia, Senegal, South Africa,
Switzerland, Taiwan, U.K., Venezuela, Vietnam, Yugoslavia, etc. Our experienced
team follows strict ethical standards and is constantly updating its worldwide
database of systems of Higher Education .
A few of the Universities where the Agency has placed students:
Harvard * Yale* Stanford * Cornell * Columbia * University of Pennsylvania *
Brown U. * John Hopkins U. * North Western-Kellogg School of Management *
Boston College * Boston U. * University Of Michigan * Babson College * New York
University * American University * Thunderbird * Purdue University * Fordham
U.* Michigan State University * Embry Riddle Aeronautic University * Rollins
College * University of Arizona * University of Delaware (Honors) * University
of Florida * University of Massachusetts (Amherst) * UCLA * University of
Southern California * Rochester Institute of Technology * IIT * UCSD * U. of
San Diego * Pepperdine * etc.
MosheW
But it's good to know what to do in such a case.
Randy,
IUFS degree is not questionable to respected and real professional foreign
degree evaluator.
P J French
of third parties?
Is the evaluator NAHE?
Peter
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P J French
The other stuff they had was simply tutoring for UoL exams etc.. They
appeared ti have NOTHING of their own.
I still don't accept the translation of the 'license' they have ... it is
not what some are reading it to be. Is it really any better than a
commercial license in US to operate a business?
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> ...but it is not long ago that they were pushing the US 'degrees' from
ACU.
Not long ago? Not long ago, indeed -- try NOW. Their homepage says they
"offer following US University programmes through university faculties." and
then lists American Coastline University, International University - USA,
and Kingdom College of Natural Health. What a great bunch.
MosheW
licensed isued by the Ministry of Education.
MosheW
Its not NAHE
It's well respected and recognized agency, all the memberships and 100%
verifieble results.
Thomas Nixon
Tom
P J French
THEY get accredited from IUFS who offers 'accredited' degrees' from US that
IUFS has 'auspiced' thereby making them accredited?
It is like being stuck in a revolving door ... what comes first - IUFS or
the US less than wonderfuls?
Peter
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bigolehippie
But they can publish his name as withdrawn from their list of
graduates and refuse to send out "official" transcripts which most
career level jobs require. Further, they or someone he presents
himself to as degreed can criminally or civilly charge him with fraud.
A campagne of reconciliation, remorse for youthful indiscretion and
current positive reflection on the institution would be best. Any
appeal would have to be unique ( they will not set a presidence that
many others could use). It is harsh but institutions that earn their
reputations will defend them vigously. boh
On Mon, 02 Jun 2003 18:00:27 -0700, Thomas Nixon <tcn...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Jeff
seems that he would be able to apply to one of the "Big 3" and get a
"legitimate" degree with little or no work.
bigolehippie
I dont know for sure -- he needs to check. I think when an
institution gets this harsh I would expect them to be thorough. I
knew a man who was ABD at the University of Maryland who made a
citation MISTAKE. He properly cited in one place and the same
material he failed to cite elsewhere. NI degree, no credits. He also
had no friends as he was a bit of an ass. Politics count. boh
Thomas Nixon
bigolehippie wrote:
>But they can publish his name as withdrawn from their list of
>graduates and refuse to send out "official" transcripts which most
>career level jobs require.
>
Within a U.S. context, that list of graduates is meaningless. I can
think of many, many career level jobs that do not require official
transcripts.
>Further, they or someone he presents
>himself to as degreed can criminally or civilly charge him with fraud.
>A campagne of reconciliation, remorse for youthful indiscretion and
>current positive reflection on the institution would be best. Any
>appeal would have to be unique ( they will not set a presidence that
>many others could use). It is harsh but institutions that earn their
>reputations will defend them vigously. boh
>
>
>
As for fraud, not a chance. If I walk up to you and tell you I have a
doctorate, there would be no civil or criminal charges possible (at
least in my state). *Maybe* if it was a required degree for the career
(psychology, medicine, maybe engineering), perhaps.
I still assert that they can do nothing to him. Refuse to send official
transcripts. That's about it. That isn't much. I suppose it would stop
him from going to graduate school.
Actually, this is much more of an embarrassment to Stanford than it is
to the student. I don't know why they would make this public. It would
have made much more sense to try to work out something with the student.
Tom
Some 1
potential employer will contact the university that supposedly granted
it and verify that the degree was in fact earned. That means that if you
are not on the university's list of graduates, your employer will learn
that you never earned a degree from that university.
Concerning fraud, I think that if somebody misrepresents him/her-self,
and if someone else relies on that misrepresentation and suffers damages
as a result of believing it, there may be grounds for claiming fraud.
Thomas Nixon
Some 1 wrote:
>In many (most?) cases, if you list a degree on your application, your
>potential employer will contact the university that supposedly granted
>it and verify that the degree was in fact earned. That means that if you
>are not on the university's list of graduates, your employer will learn
>that you never earned a degree from that university.
>
The number of employers that actually check on degrees is quite small.
This is how diploma mills can be so successful.
>
>Concerning fraud, I think that if somebody misrepresents him/her-self,
>and if someone else relies on that misrepresentation and suffers damages
>as a result of believing it, there may be grounds for claiming fraud.
>
>
>
>
>
But what you suggest is a different scenario. No one as yet had
mentioned suffering damages. It's unlikely that there would be much in
the way of damages over believing someone had a bachelor's degree in art
history (over whatever). The only exceptions could be degrees where it
might make qualify you to actually do something (which most bachelor's
degrees don't) that drastically affects the lives of others. Accounting,
I suppose, could be a possibility, depending on what actually happened.
There are a few others.
Tom
>
>
Mark Israel
<tcn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Actually, this is much more of an embarrassment to Stanford than it is
> to the student. I don't know why they would make this public. It would
> have made much more sense to try to work out something with the student.
Stanford is not an isolated instance. There have been a number of
court decisons on rescinding a degree:
Waliga v. Board of Trustees, 488 N.E.2d 850 (Ohio 1986) Kent State
University decided to rescind Waliga's B.A. degree, 17 years after it
was awarded, because of 28 discrepancies in the grades on the official
transcript and the handwritten reports submitted by the instructors in
Waliga's classes.
Crook v. Baker, 813 F.2d 88 (6thCir. 1987) The University of Michigan
rescinded a M.Sc. degree in geology, because of fraud in that thesis.
Hand v. Matchett, 957 F.2d 791 (10thCir. 1992) Michael Hand "earned" a
Ph.D. in counseling psychology at New Mexico State University in 1982.
In the Fall of 1987 an anonymous tipster sent to the University a copy
two scholarly sources that Hand had plagiarized in his dissertation.
In April 1988, the University attempted to rescind the Ph.D. it had
awarded to Hand. The Court of Appeals cited Waliga and Crook, and
concluded that "the ability to revoke degrees obtained through
fraudulent means is a necessary corollary to the Regent's power to
confer those degrees". Nevertheless, the revocation failed on a
technicality because, under New Mexico law, only the Regents of the
University could award or rescind a degree.
Faulkner v. Univ. of Tennessee, 1994 WL 642765 (Tenn.Ct.App. 1994)
"The University of Tennessee is not estopped to rescind the doctoral
degree of Mr. Faulkner." Mr. Faulkner "does not appear to grasp the
self-evident fact that he has not earned his doctorate."
http://www.rbs2.com/plag.htm
http://www.aut.ac.nz/conferences/innovation/papersthemetwo/schollumpapertwo.pdf
Bakz
required to complete a good many extra and pre-requisite courses. I hear
that entrance in such situations is rather tough. And the prep-courses are
too.
"P J French" <pjfr...@celestial.com.au> wrote in message
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> I just typed "PhD IUFS" in to Google
>
> It is beautiful - the response and maybe quite fitting, but then maybe
Moshe
> is right and the rest of us are not.
>
> Anyway it said -
>
> Did you mean: "PhD IS"
>
> Sponsored Links
> PhD Degree - AIU
> Degree programs for working adults
> Distance Learning PhD at your pace.
> www.aiu.edu/
> Interest:
>
>
> See your message here...
>
>
>
> No standard web pages containing all your search terms were found.
>
> Your search - "PhD IUFS" - did not match any documents.
>
>
>
>
>
> "MosheW" <mos...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20030531234432...@mb-m02.aol.com...
> > Dear Dr. John Bear,
> >
> > I will start by stating that I totally respect what you have to say and
to
> me
> > you are the authority
> > on non traditional and DL education in USA.
> >
> > I don't know any US colleges and universities that would
> > accept credit or degrees from IUFS as a regular policy.
> >
> > I do know that some of IUFS graduates were accepted in to RA
universities
> in
> > USA without any problems.
> >
> > I will not jeopardize this people and will keep their schools
undisclosed
> at
> > this time.
> >
> > One RA on-line school accepted the IUFS credential for teaching part
time.
> > They advertise on Monster.com
> >
> > The only school I will mention is AICIS -
> > DETC accredited.
> > They were ready to accept an IUFS graduate in to their MIS program but
he
> > didn't join them because of the rumor that they may have problem with
> renewal
> > of their accreditation.
> >
> > So I don't know if this is regular policy and if you say it's not than
> it's
> > not.
>
>
>
Bakz
Some employers do screen backgrounds quite adequately. Such as: the US
Government, academic institutions, legal organizations, airlines, most large
corporations, executive recruiters. When they hire individuals with
nationally or non-acreditted credentials (and they do), they know what they
are getting into. I'm finding these investigations to be much more prevalent
than in years past.
The Internet has produced a proliferation of "mills." It is also making it
easier to investigate backgrounds.
"Thomas Nixon" <tcn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Rich Douglas
documented cases of degree fraud by its employees, including a case right
now regarding the deputy CIO of the Homeland Security Department.
No one has ever measured the propensity for employers to check on degrees.
My doctoral research implied that they often don't. Also, a search of Human
Resource Management (a quarterly scholarly journal on HR) shows NOT ONE
article on the subject has ever been published in its 19 years. The field
doesn't know and doesn't care.
Rich Douglas
"Bakz" <bake...@bigriver.net> wrote in message
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John Bear
Bakz wrote:
> Some employers do screen backgrounds quite adequately. Such as: the US
> Government..."
Yes, often. Not always, as in the current delicious flap going on in
Washington, in which a very senior official in the Department of Homeland
Security turns out to have three totally fake degrees, including the Ph.D.
Congresspeople from both sides of the aisle are demanding to know how this
could have been allowed to happen.
One of the articles at: http://gcn.com/vol1_no1/daily-updates/22294-1.html
P J French
This is suicidal ...
Morgan & Banks out here attest that 67% of degrees claimed by prospective
employees are either:
* non existent
* not at the level listed
* not on the area claimed
This is being accentuated by the proliferation of new masters degrees
generated, as even traditional schools become institutions in the business
of selling education, if it can even always be called that. So people covert
a degree to say MEd when it is not that or from BEd to BVocEd when it wasn't
even an approved major stream. Two Grad Dips becomes a Masters ...
Yet from my observations and enquiries recently - last 6 weeks - I have not
seen any evidence of even a request for the original transcript which we go
by out here. Photocopies of degree parchments at best - at worst nothing. So
we *may* know what the degree is, but what was actually studied ... ? It
seems that people still don't care ...
Peter French MAcc MEd CMA
Education Quality & Management Auditor
Melbourne, Australia
"Rich Douglas" <hrpr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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bigolehippie
Several points here. Lots of fraud, self justified for whatever
reason. Lots of degrees from accredited institutions -- accredited
doesnt mean high quality or that the degree holder really "got it".
All accredited institution will send embossed transcripts upon
authorised request sent directly from them to the prospective
employer. boh
>> > > >?