EQ's Deposition - HE Lied (again) about being there
The REAL EQ
to a deposition requested by DTV, even posted a couple hours prior to
it, on 2 seperate forums, confirming that he was leaving and on his way
to it... he was never actually there... as is proven in the actual
transcript from the deposition where the lawyer who, at the last
minute, had to represent him stated for the record the he could not be
there due to being on some *medication*... a claim EQ also tried to use
with the opposing counsel prior to the depo, trying to get out of it
all together.
So, the deposition did not really happen - the lawyers were there but
the person they wanted to depose was to afraid to show up (but it has
been leaked he was outside the whole time waiting for his lawyer to
fill him in on what happened).
So, this again proves that outside of the web and usenet, he is nothing
but a chickenshit... a scared little child and nothing more than a
blowhard who is full of hot air and lies while online... a keyboard
rambo at the very best.
There is a direct link to the transcript at the website listed below
for anyone wanting to read it.
Since that day, Michale Worley (EQ) has been making people believe he
was there by claiming that he should be compensated etc. for being
there... but his lawyer said in the transcript he was NOT THERE.
EQ, getting busted in more and more lies, day by day.
you can read about this and lots more of his DTV and personal stupidity
and lies... heck, there are even links to some great pictures, some
parodies and all of the Bi-Tuna stories... All of this and more at the
Anti-EQ forum
http://p066.ezboard.com/btheantieqforum
come and look around... have a good laugh and see what the *IMBECILE*
is up to today and lots of blasts from the past!
and don't forget to check out the post about him suing people again..
he is back to threatening lawsuits... like the time he said he was
suing ~NortH~ for theft of data and *computer crimes* LMAO... you can
read about that also - the exact email is there for all to see!
joetu...@yahoo.com
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This might be proof for those who need to see "the course works" in
a
material/financial way.
I have a story I copied from a 1993 issue of MIRACLES magazine (Paul
Ferrini put out) about how someone put it into his life, in a real
way, with
real results.
I have permission from the author to copy it and post it, and I
have
before.
Not sure if it's anything you'd be interested in for your revised
book.
I have his email address (if it's still current, but I could
probably find
it if it's not)
Not sure if this is what you're looking for.
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Reprinted with permission from the author. Published 1993 in
MIRACLES
Magazine.
How the Holy Spirit Became My Business Partner
By Kevin Bidner
At the age of 27, I quit my job working for Commodore computers and
decided
to start my own company. I called it Total Automation Office Systems,
or TAO
systems for short. I remember my pride when I made my own business
cards,
and put my first desk in a 10 by 10 foot office with a single black
phone.
I had absolutely no money to my name, but I had arranged credit with
banks
so I knew that I would be able to ride for a while until "the big
bucks
started to fly in." Boy was I naïve!
I had started the company with no capital and no real business plan.
I
started out selling computers but ended up selling "total solutions"
to
small businesses, including customized software, since people didn't
want to
buy computers without software. I contracted a small local software
firm to
provide the technical assistance I lacked.
Needless to say, I became dependent on this software company, and
was
totally unprepared when, smack in the middle of several major
project, the
company went belly up, leaving me in the hopeless situation of having
to
hire a whole new team of programmers to finish the job. With this new
technical staff to pay- and no income from the contract until we
finished
our work- my company was hemorrhaging at a rate of $10,000 per moth.
Furthermore, the technical problems seemed insurmountable. As soon as
one
problem would get solved, another one would pop up and have to be
tackled.
There seemed to be no end in sight.
So there I found myself. My business was failing. I hated my work
and my
customers hated my product. I was no longer drawing money from the
company
so, on top of the $10,000 per month the company was losing, I
personally was
borrowing about $5.000 per month to live on. Although there was never
talk
of splitting up, under this stress my wife Rosa and I were arguing
all the
time.
On top of all of this, I had a partner who was completely dependent
on me.
I felt personally responsible to make everything work, even thought I
did
not know how to go forward. I was an absolute wreck!
It was at this point that the Course came into my life. After a
lifetime of
searching for the answers, here at last was the Truth; a roadmap and
a hand
to hold onto in this storm I was living through. I especially liked
the
paragraph at the beginning of the Workbook exercises stating that
blind
trust was no required, that I should have the opportunity to test
this out
myself. My whole heart said YES, and I plunged in.
The first 25 exercises brought me to my knees. I shook apart at the
seams.
Everything in my life turned upside down and inside out, and I no
longer
understood my world. Those first 3 weeks of ACIM had a more dramatic
effect
than the hundreds of hours of yogic and Buddhist meditation I had
done in my
younger days. I was ready to go all the way this time. I strapped
myself in
and got ready for the ride.
As difficult as things were then, I now know that the Holy Spirit
was with
me every minute of the way. He spoke of freedom, of light, of
fearlessness.
He told me that all of this was a dream, and that He would lead me
from this
nightmare into a quiet and restful garden.
I kept a journal of these times. Here is an excerpt:
"March 7, 1987,
Now let's be honest for a minute. I'm thirty-one. I'm overweight. I
have
not been successful in any of my business dreams. In fact, I'm going
broke.
I have embarked on a spiritual path, which I have used as a shield,
to
protect me from situations I do not really want to face. The issues
are
plain. I have to make money. Yet You have said that You would take
care of
my needs. But I feel afraid, and those depending on me for food on
the table
are waiting for me to come through on my promises. This is a
difficult
situation for I have to literally turn my back on the ones dearest to
me, in
order to fulfill what you say.
How do I find happiness while living on this level? How can
I
retain my inner peace while engaged in the wars of the world? I do
not know,
I wish to go forward Father. But I am waiting for you to show me the
way. I
am willing to listen."
You get an idea of the situation. Nothing was working. And I
certainly
could not believe that I abandoned my predicament to the Holy Spirit
that He
would fix it for me. But about three months into the Course strange
and
wonderful things started to happen.
It all started with Rosa. We were fighting awfully, real hatred rows
now,
and it wasn't improving. I remember the first breakthrough so well.
We were
driving in the car and Rosa was attacking me verbally, I wanted to
counter
with an insult to "get even." But I realized that this whole
nightmare was
hurting too much. I remembered then that He would solve any problem
when
asked to, so I asked Him for help.
Instantly and clearly I heard "Be Quiet!" in a very firm but gentle
voice.
I literally stopped dead in my tracks just as the words were about to
leave
my lips. But then I doubted the voice and I reconsidered my attack, I
again
heard the voice, even more firmly say," Be quiet!".
I reasoned that my usual response was not going to change the
situation, so
what did I have to lose by trying this dramatically different
approach? I
decided to give it a try. I shut my mouth and bit my lip as Rosa went
through wave after wave of attack. I just did nothing,. Suddenly she
just
stopped to. We finished our drive and went into the house, both
stunned by
this new turn of events, and we looked at each other, suddenly all of
the
longing, and the love and tenderness we really felt for each other
rose
within us and overwhelmed us. We laughed, we cried, and most of all
we
rediscovered the love affair that we though we had lost.
I had experienced my first real miracle! This was the beginning for
me.
Increasingly over the next months I gave problem after problem to the
Holy
Spirit, always with the same result. Little by little I learned to
trust
that if I gave Him a problem, without wanting my own specific
outcome, He
would invariably take the mess I was handing him and turn it around.
I remember a beautiful story from this time in my life. On a light
flight
out west I sat beside my partner's wife, who was complaining about a
broken
seat. I remember feeling compassion rather than my usual annoyance
with her,
and as soon as we were in the air I gave her my seat and looked for
another.
There were several seats available and I picked one at random. A
woman was
in the window seat sleeping and I was in the aisle, I began to read
my
Course, feeling tears come to my eyes several times during the
flight, as I
was asking Him for a sign that He was really with me.
After several hours I put down my book and tried to get some sleep.
Just
then I heard a quiet little voice beside me say "Excuse me, I see
that you
are reading A Course in Miracles." She too was a student of the
Course and
we had a wonderful conversation in which I was given the answers I
had been
asking for. I was deeply grateful.
Several months later, I experienced a clear demonstration of my
ability to
rely on the Holy Spirit in times of difficulty. We were doing a
computer
installation at the Department of National Defense, which was an
unmitigated disaster. It was supposed to be a two week job, but my
programmer had been on the job for three months and we were mired in
a slew
of technical problems which seemed unsolvable. Finally, I received a
letter
from a general in the army telling me that the installation was being
abandoned, and my company would be 'blacklisted' and prevented from
ever
doing business with the Federal Government again.
My first reaction was stark terror. Then I remembered that HS said
to give
Him ANY problem, and He would solve it. For a moment, I reviewed in
my mind
all the worst possible outcomes: We would be sued; I would lose my
business;
I would lose my home. And I realized I could live with all of this.
So I
said to HS and to myself, 'I have failed here, I cannot possibly
solve his
problem. Holy Spirit, this problem I give to You.' And I abandoned
any
effort to try to solve it.
Within 24 hours my technician reported back to me that all the
problems
had been solved! We were heroes. Soon thereafter I was given a huge
order by
the same man who had threatened to blacklist us, and he purposefully
gave us
an extra $5000 to cover all the money we had lost on the first
installation.
Around the same time another event happened which underscored His
presence
in my life. The largest sale I had ever made had one incredibly sour.
A
large real estate firm had given me a $60,000 order to equip all of
their
salesmen with laptop computers and to develop a head office computer
which
could receive calls from them and disperse information from the
Multiple
Listing Service computer back to them.
I really did not know what I was doing when I accepted this
order.
I had charged $7,000 for the software because that was the most I
thought I
could get the customer to pay. I was to receive additional royalties,
if we
ever sold this product to other real estate offices. I know now that
this
was in fact a $100,000 programming job!
My programmer Tim, who commanded a $50,000 salary and was a
self-proclaimed 'genius" said he would have the job wrapped up within
three
weeks. Nine months later, he was not even close to finishing this
job. At
the same time Tim was busy organizing a revolt of the programming
team. He
had spread ugly rumors to the rest of the staff about my partner and
me, and
had turned several loyal staff members against us. Unfortunately, I
could
not fire him, as I would have had to start this programming job over
again
from scratch. I was trapped.
On top of all this, the hardware I had sold this company for $50,000
a year
ago, was already obsolete and could not do the job required of it.
The owner
of the Real Estate company delighted in calling me up and threatening
me.
I will never forget the fateful meeting in which the outcome of
this
installation was to be decided. I had had some experience in handing
things
over by now and the Holy Spirit hadn't failed me yet. Asking for His
help, I
plucked up my courage and sailed into my client's office. He had his
lawyer
on the speakerphone when I walked in. I had two choices. I could stay
on the
job and they'd sue me (they had an ironclad case), or I could
withdraw from
the job, forfeit any future royalties, and allow them to steal my
programmer.
So I reviewed my options, get sued and go out of business, or stop
losing
money on this job and lose the most aggravating employee I had. tough
decision! As I left my client's office, my relief was total and I
could hear
gentle laughter within my mind. He had things well in hand!
Gradually I began to cut the overhead of my business so that it
would have
a chance to succeed. As old projects were completed, I did not
replace the
staff. Then one day one of my salespeople came to me with a project.
One of
these customers in town wanted him to find a kitchen and bath
software
program that could do three-dimensional drawings. There were two
manufacturers of this type of software, one called 20-20 with its
head
office right in Montreal, and the other called MVD/2000 in Atlanta.
We made inquirers of both product lines. 20-20 did not want
representation in Canada; MVC/2000 was looking for a Canadian
distributor. I
definitely felt the movement of the Holy Spirit opening the way of
me, and I
felt really good to go forward, not with the old bravado, but with a
quiet,
inner confidence. There was immediate success. My years of
salesmanship had
prepared me to go out and win in the business world, and win I did.
As soon
as I got started I managed to secure some key accounts, which
established my
product as the leader in Canada.
However, our debts were still considerable and to survive I had to
be on
the road constantly, traveling from one small town to another.
Although the
outward situation was difficult, I was now in contact with my Higher
Power
and I felt His total reassurance in every situation. I remember
distinctly
feeling that I had never known joy so deep or rest so complete. Even
the
travel and painful separation from my family was part of His plan,
giving me
much needed time to focus on God without the distractions of home
life.
A marvelous event occurred around this time. I had a salesman working
for me
who was the most annoying person I had ever met. To me Glen
symbolized
everything I hated most in a salesman. In fact he represented
everything in
ME that I was too ashamed to admit. Although I wanted to get rid of
him,
Spirit made it clear I was to keep him with me for as long as he
wanted to
stay. I learned to use our time together as a spiritual exercise,
always
looking within whenever I saw something in Glen that I did not like.
Eventually I stopped reacting with revulsions and learned to like
Glen.
One night, we were driving to Quebec City from Sherbrook, Quebec, a
2-½
hour drive We left at midnight and expected to reach Quebec by half
past
two. It was one of the coldest nights of the year: 30° below zero
and
probably 50° below with wind-chill. This is killer cold: skin
freezes in a
matter of minutes.
When we left Sherbrook I had about one hour of gas left. My car
required
diesel fuel, and at that time of night there were no gas stations
open
anywhere in Sherbrook, but half an hour away in another town there
was an
all night gas station which served diesel. I was having such a great
time
talking to Glen that we completely missed our gas station, and 45
minutes
later, almost out of gas, my little indicator went on, telling that I
had
about 15 minutes of fuel left.
It was 1:30 AM, pitch black, and we were on a completely deserted
highway,
with no cars of houses anywhere. It was so unbelievably cold outside
that
our chances of surviving, if we ran out of fuel, would be about as
low as
the temperature out there. Suddenly the choice became clear to me. we
could
not turn back: we had to go on. But I really felt HS with me, and I
just let
go into Him and I felt His definite assurance that everything would
work out
perfectly.
I laughed at the situation, and just continued talking to Glen. He
looked
at me like I was absolutely crazy, as he thought we were facing
certain
death. A few minutes later we started passing a small town. As I was
cooing
up to the exit, Glen suddenly said "Get off here!" and pointed to the
exit
ramp I pulled off, but just as I thought the place was completely
shut down:
not a single light was on anywhere.
By now we had less that five minutes of fuel left. But I felt so
peaceful;
I just knew He would take care of us. I was getting reading to get
back on
the highway, when less than 50 feet away we saw a tow truck. He was
stopped
too! As incredible as it seemed, we had not seen the truck drive up
from
anywhere; he was just there!
I got out of the car and walked up to the truck to ask the driver
where we
could get some diesel fuel. He gave me a blank stare, and motioned
for me to
follow him into a nearby gas station. He took out the keys, opened
the
diesel pump, and motioned me over.
Glen has never forgotten this story, which he calls the "Quebec City
Incident." Whenever things are breaking right for him and he feels
that he
is connecting with his own Higher Power, Glen calls me and tells me
about
the "Quebec City" he is having. I do know one thing. If I had gotten
angry
and critical of Glen, as I might have in former days, our evening
might have
been a touch chillier!
One other incident summarizes the change in consciousness that
resulted
from my study of the Course. I had driven over four hours to do a
demonstration for an Italian couple. I had a wonderful time with
these
people and we had developed a sense of trust between us. I had fought
hard
against my competitor who had been there the day before and I knew I
had
won.
The customer, confused by all the conflicting information, was
making the
decision based completely on his trust of me. Before writing the
check, he
turned to me and asked: "if you were me, which system would you buy?"
This
was a fateful moment. All my years of selling, all my ego fears and
rational
concerns rushed to the surface with a glib answer. But a deeper
response
ached to be heard. I looked into his eyes and saw a beautiful
brother. I
just could not lie to him. I just couldn't lie anymore. So I
swallowed hard
and recommended that he buy my competitor's program!
In my journal, Holy Spirit told me:
"These lessons in total trust are to strengthen you to be a true
light.
'Your way' has to become a thing of the past. You must find 'My way'
all the
time, in all situations. Remember to hold on only to that, for it
will never
let you down. Having trust in your inner power, you are also capable
of
having total trust and confidence in all those around you. This is
the
ultimate lesson. Learn it now, Kevin."
By trusting His guidance, I learned that Spirit is always active in
my life
and that His solutions are always better than mine.
Once when struggling with the issue of how to apply the teachings of
the
course to my business life, I asked Holy Spirit, "What is business?"
He
replied: "There is no such thing as business, Kevin. There are just
relationships." That awareness helped me understand where I needed to
place
my attention in my work life. For when my relationship with my
brother is
intact, unlimited creativity and abundance are present for both of
us.
In the six years that have elapsed since I began working with the
Course, I
have gone on to a new level of success in business. I have begun
playing the
piano and writing Course inspired songs. Rosa and I have four
children and
our partnership is more passionate and complete than ever. Not that I
don't
have difficulties in my life-I carry a lot of debt and I still travel
a
great deal for my business-but I do not see things the way I used to.
Problems become challenges for me, or I should say for "us," for I
know that
wherever I am, I am with Him. So there are no wrong turns anymore,
only
opportunities to open deeper levels of living and loving.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Kevin Bidner is a successful entrepreneur living in Ottawa, Ontario.
He is a
passionate student of the Course and has written a number of
heartfelt songs
which express the essence of the Holy Spirit's love and grace as it
moves
through our lives. Kevin's first tape will be available through the
Miracles
Magazine Bookstore*
* Miracles Magazine is no longer being published, but one might be
able to
get in touch with Kevin, and possibly still order his music cd. .
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A
planted AMBULANCE CHASER to steer the herd toward believing that
litagation is the
only repentance!!!!!
last edited by :joeturn11:21AM
loopy
>On 3 Feb 2005 07:50:46 -0800, joetu...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>>You idiot!! The public can see that you are the original john mackey. A
>>planted FED to steer the herd toward believing that litagation is the
>>only repentance!!!!!
>
>
>You have lost it.
From wtf I've read.... he's NEVER had *it* to lose!
loopy
[without the nicks & cuts of a blade]
joetu...@yahoo.com
john mackey ,hid behind his religous beliefs for refugre and he stemmed
into marketing with a law degree from HARVARD we will move on to page
two!! See the simularities evolving here??
Now john mackey was a throrn in Bill Cheeks side .Bill was making
oogles of money off selling scanner upgrades ,while poor john mackey
the ambulance chaser was starving to death! So he set out on a vendetta
to expose the wisdom of Bills brilliance as a counter productive part
of society by allowing scanner enthusiast to keep up with and ahead of
the long arm of JOHN LAW. Even to the point of calling poor bill ,the
antichrist,saying it was sinful to take all that money out of themouths
of cooperate criminals just for the sake of it when he could hoodwink
everyone and their brother out of a fortune.$$$$$$$$$$ Read here while
I fecth some goodies on loopys opinions and analogies.From way back
when he really was stupid. Now he has forgotten what he has learned
and is impatiently awaiting his torture with all them virgins!!
http://groups-beta.google.com/groups?q=john+mackey%2Fbill+cheek&qt_s=Search+Groups
I'll be right back,with the nicks and cuts of his wisdom;)
joetu...@yahoo.com
DSS BBS > Unlooping for the P3/HU card > What do you think$$$$$$$$$$
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loopy
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Is Jimmy claiming that this is:
a) a method to unloop an HU (blanking it and reloading it with a good
copy of another HU)
or
b) a method of using a non-DTV card to open up an IRD to recieve and
decrypt the signal
?
If the answer is (a), then maybe there is something to talk about.
If the answer is (b) then we know it is not possible because the ASIC
is absolutely a required component in this scenario.
I think it's frustrating that Jimmy doesn't seem to understand the
questions we present to him, and that his grasp of English is making it
difficult to decrypt what he does choose to say. Either that, or he is
playing a pretty good game with all of us.
loopy
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Bozo, you are the MAN!!!!!!!!!!!
I like the way you think.
Ok Jimmy it's time to putup or shutup........Simple, but to the point.
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Just so folks don't think I'm asleep. I seen all the links but this is
the exception to the rule as we may be learning something.
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I may disagree with what you have to say,
but I shall defend, to the death, your
right to say it.
Just make sure you posed it in the right area and that it's worth dying
for!!!
"Flames" & "Me Too" is not worth dying for!
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Nothing personal folks these are Cut and paste
Yes it has been an uphill battle for me but I'm still
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Its Organized Crime At its Best
Risestar! Are you really that stupid ?You know exactly what he is going
to do!! He will just dissappear on the way to the bank as before.He has
already started his new campayne to scam the suckers that think he is
the new Masiah!! Its DAVE & tHe FEDS they are having a field day off
you idiots..Now Dexter wants more money for his participation in
releasing new software for his employer DAVE to make oggles of money
off of>> Its a family affair Alcohol-Tobacco-Firearms & DSS !! Its a
mega money biz selling piracy equiptment to the non subscribers.Brings
in more revenue than doing it legal 1000 x fold $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Think about it! Now you know why the bad guy never gets caught!!
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Action against the FBI would be considered Treason
I hate to keep repeating myself but here goes once more!!jimmy34741
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Read real slow and obsorb the info is clear .Dave has been playing you
idiots like a broken record over and over and over! The Hu card can be
replaced for less than $5.00 The diagram will do that or you can buy a
card that will replace the DTV cards for about the same !check it out
for yourself at maxking..This boat load of shit will sink his ship..
You may have to ask a blonde or a blind for guidance if you cant see
this now!!! The only negative replys you will see about this post will
be from DAVE The FEDS and the Dealers trying to discredit..But it wont
Go away Go here and click on Through pic programming For an update
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I see you mules have blinders on
Yes there is a real M-1 .It is called that because it is the military-
isue!! Plain and simple The Feds have made idiots out of you again,And
whats so sad they will do it again&againECT... This is bigger than
Watergate people!! Our governments have teamed up and are getting rich
off our stupidity..Selling Pirating DSS brings home more revenue than
legalized Gambling!$!$!$! Junior Member
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Now who you gonna call
Ghost-busters is out of bidniz And The feds wants your names .. The sad
thing is your being played at this very moment by a couple of daves
Cronnies.Think for a moment that if this was not organized crime It
would have went up in smoke along with Ben Ladin!$$$$$$$$$$$ The only
way to get even with them for playing you is to buy the pic cards &
Watch Free Tv Dont send them anymore money no matter how much they try
to push their gaddetts on you it can be replaced for pennies!$!$!$
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loopy
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What a maroon
It's like talking to a wall, only less productive.
Jimmy, what color is the sky in your world? (don't worry, I'm not
expecting an answer to that question either!) If you would stop raving
like a lunitic and answer the VERY SIMPLE questions that are being
asked of YOU, then you might gain some credibility. Continuing to post
this drival is only exposing you, not the worldwide DTV conspiracy.
loopy
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jimmy34741
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Ok whatz your first Question Loopy
And how much have you made off this circus? It is both a & b Loopy The
word ASIC is also plural as ASCII,All smartcards contain them and most
pic cards have a larger capacity than required by DTV You have been
real busy trying to discredit my post instead of listening You have
been Brainwashed No Pun intended!! Go back and reread this!!But it wont
Go away Go here and click on Through pic programming For an update
http://www.ic-prog.com/index1.htm jimmy34741 [] Junior Member
Keep in mind that this is telling you how to program your cards and
what cards are suitable for Television>>>>> Go here to compare the size
of the eeprom and memery in the smart cards ASIC!
http://finimusa.com/shop/enter.html Click on Smart Card-Iso7816 try and
read the drop down menu when your cursor hits it Now click on smart
cards ..See if you can choose the ones compatible for
Telecommunications (TV) Ps Bossmav Your going to look stupid . Do the
Math That big mouth will hold two feet!!
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bossmav
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This is the exact same post that jimmy as on other sites.
I still agree with Bozo, this guy is a fruitcake........
Jimmy get a life will ya, because you sure don't know how to anwser a
simple question.
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bones83177
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jimmy, if your not careful, you'll get confined to the unlooping forum
here too!! lol!!!
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bozomask
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Amateur Diagnosis
This all sounds painfully familiar. I am betting our friend Jimmy is
what old coots like me call a paranoid schizophrenic. They kindly refer
to it as bipolar disorder nowadays. Further, he damn well knows it. He
has probably had numerous encounters with the law and has been forced
to take medication, which he does not take. He indeed lives in a world
of his own creation where the truth is what he believes at any
particular moment. He is delusional, has hallucinations, and believes
himself to be all knowing and gifted with powers no one but he can
understand and control. He knows that there is something wrong with
everyone but himself. I have no doubt of this. I have had to deal with
someone exactly like this for more years than I care to think about. I
will tell you that he cackles like an idiot when he reads these posts
and derives a bizarre and intense pleasure from what he believes to be
his unique ability to make us respond to his will. He's totally tuned
out to everything but the voices in his own head.
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loopy
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OK Jimmy, you finally posted a direct answer to a question. I'll give
you credit for that.
So, just to be clear with you, I have never made a penny from this
sport/hobby. I have always followed what goes on, and I have spent my
fair time in irc helping anybody who wanted help figuring out how to
play with these things, that all. I am a happy paying subscriber to DTV
and I will pay for it for as long as I view it. I am no freeloader.
Now, if you would please humor us, another 'stupid' question for you:
How in the world do you think knowing the amount of memory on a
smartcard will help you duplicate the function of an ASIC, or multiple
ASICs if you desire?
The facts are these:
1) The ASIC performs functions that you cannot do with an 8051
processor. This is the fundamental security model of the (very special)
HU card. You can't simply put additional code on a regular ISO-7816
smartcard and hope to perform the calculations that must be done by the
ASIC. It is simply and categorically impossible.
2) Only the HU card, made for and shipped only to DTV, has the required
ASIC. Other smartcards are USELESS and will always be USELESS for use
as a replacement for the HU.
Now, I'm not saying the only way to decode DTV signals is with an IRD
using an HU card. That would be silly. Obviously the signals are in the
air, and the decryption of those signals could conceivably be done by
some other device. However, to say that a regular ISO-7816 smartcard
can do it is pure fantasy.
Also, I am absolutely NOT trying to discredit you. You are doing a fine
job of doing that all by yourself. What I am trying to do is determine
if there is new information in your posts that we should be looking
seriously at. You make this task incredibly difficult by your frantic
use of the English language, and you evasive manner in answering direct
questions.
loopy
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jimmy34741
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See what I mean bu not doing your homework
This is the same old Bs Dave is spewing !! Now list his card specks and
compare them tho the ones I sent you!! Give up the ship Dave Get a job
! Your Secret is out And for less than $5.00 He He HE he he
$$$$$$$$$$$$ 1) The ASIC performs functions that you cannot do with an
8051 processor. This is the fundamental security model of the (very
special) HU card. You can't simply put additional code on a regular
ISO-7816 smartcard and hope to perform the calculations that must be
done by the ASIC. It is simply and categorically impossible.
2) Only the HU card, made for and shipped only to DTV, has the required
ASIC. Other smartcards are USELESS and will always be USELESS for use
as a replacement for the HU.
3) this is bullshit pure and simple Its over!
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bozomask
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See What I Mean?
Jimmy will protect his delusion at all costs. Thats why he cannot
respond to the simple question as to whether or not he did it himself
and how. The bubble would burst, the dream would be over, he would be a
nobody again. It is really sad and it will never be any different. Of
course he is the King of his own Kingdom and that is enough for him. I
won't bother to post again on this subject now that I understand what
his problem is. Happy New Year!
Bozo
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vojha
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damn what's next...I gues Dave is behind the JFK assasination too?
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loopy
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At least we know what he is trying to say now.
Thanks for answering the questions with so much clarity and authority
Jimmy. It was nice talking with you, and informative and entertaining.
loopy
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Loopy, Bozo, Good posting. The thing I'm looking for is call COS.
There must be one for this to work. I know the M4 COS wll not work. If
you know 1/2 of what I'm saying then I'll buy into you theroy and
Paypal you $100 for a $10 card. Same as they are in the for Sale Area.
2 thing's I need 1st is a real Email and A Real Address as I will want
to track you if you scam me.
Other than that if you do not have one then this is still rumor and
speculation. And that means that no secret is out.
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loopy
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Thanks vms. I hope you do get a chance to followup.
If the device Jimmy is talking about has the capability to put the HU
card into ONCE mode (I doubt it) then it may be very useful.
However, this inability to understand what an ASIC does, or what the
limitations of a generic ISO-7816 card are demonstrate to me that it is
highly unlikely that there is anything to what Jimmy is saying.
I'd like to see a generic ISO-7816 smartcard used as a replacement for
HU cards as much as the next guy, but it don't make it so.
The 'conspiracy' theory just cracks me up though. That was pure
entertainment. I wonder how they find volunteers to go to jail for
them? The big 'THEY" is a damn scary bunch. I'm sure glad Jimmy is
looking out for us.
loopy
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jimmy34741
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Lobo this is what cracked you!!
So, just to be clear with you, I have never made a penny from this
sport/hobby. I have always followed what goes on, and I have spent my
fair time in irc helping anybody who wanted help figuring out how to
play with these things, that all. I am a happy paying subscriber to DTV
and I will pay for it for as long as I view it. I am no freeloader.
>>>>>>>>> This last sentence tells me that you have a dislike for DTV
pirates and will go to extremes to cost them every dime possible....I
say DTV should be free as intended and not a monopoly game to rob
people>>>> Aint them Ducks Hell ? INTERNATIONAL COVENANT ON CIVIL AND
POLITICAL RIGHTS
Article 19
1. Everyone shall have the right to hold opinions without interference.
2. Everyone shall have the right to freedom of expression; this right
shall include freedom to seek, receive and impart information and ideas
of all kinds, regardless of frontiers, either orally, in writing or in
print, in the form of art, or through any other media of his choice.
3. The exercise of the rights provided for in paragraph 2 of this
article carries with it special duties and responsibilities. It may
therefore be subject to certain restrictions, but these shall only be
such as are provided by law and are necessary:
(a) For respect of the rights or reputations of others;
(b) For the protection of national security or of public order (ordre
public), or of public health or morals.
Joe Turn
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loopy
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Oh Goody, more bait!
Jimmy,
You are a classic example of a non-linier thinker. By saying that I am
no freeloader, you conclude I am out to get all freetv'ers. Nothing
could be farther from the truth, but I don't need to tell you that. You
either know it already, or you are so delusional that telling you what
is right is pointless.
I have been civil with you, even though you show an extraordinary level
of psychosis. Obviously a futile effort, but entertaining (I guess) for
all who read this forum. I trust you'll continue your maniacal ravings
and keep all of us entertained.
loopy
For the record, a freetv'er is not the same as a freeloader.
Freeloaders want everybody else to give them everything they need
(waaa, waaa, I want my freeware) instead of doing their own
investigation, reading, building, learning, and so on. Furthermore,
they are unwilling to provide help to those who are just learning.
Also, my reference to freeloaders was not intended to put you in that
category. You are in a wholly different category.
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arlodawg
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Just My $.02
Dec. 26th was suppose to be the day the unlooper was released. Instead,
Jimmy 34741 waa released.
I don't know all this techncial stuff, I just read what I see. I don't
know who's full of it and who's not!!
But, does anybody remeber the expensive $6000 HUloaders; all you really
needed was to flash the atmel to load the card ?????????
People were pi$$ed when the chip flash & HuPro were released.
Is there anybody out there that has tried these other cards??????
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I'm a dawg 'cause I chase my tail.
I'm arlodawg 'cause I know it's my tail.
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org
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This sum good readin. Keep it UP
This betta than Jonni Wauker CIA stuff
BTW loopy gots heavy bags /11 posts a day
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FarginHoler
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LMFAO!!!
Ya gotta love Jimmy.
Did he really say that DAVE is making more money off selling pirate
equipment than legit subs?
Let's see... full sub = $300 / month versus a one time cost of a $200
Loader. Oh yeah. That's definitely in DAVE's best interest.
One IRD and card from Wallymart - $49.95
One HU Loader - $200
One HU script - freeware
One Jimmy 34741 - PRICELESS!!
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bossmav
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Farginholer, ever think about doing a mastercard commercial?
My last post on Mr. Jimmy.... your getting boring now!
Happy New Year everyone.
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jimmy34741
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Careful dawg They will turn on you
Yes Vista got him a whole covey of the $5k chips and mailed them out to
his group not even flashed!! But can you believe all he had to do was
swap names and Bad mouth the cons and he's right back on top of the
world again!!! But he cant drop the V for some reason?? Maybe his
calling card!!$$ Now compare these prices to wal-mart this might shed a
little light on the subject..Dave is still selling Northsats shit and
Dean was glad to give it up!! Dave posed as Chipperjones25 on EBay for
a year taking names!! http://www.sc-dss.com/ Fargin If your were
22miles over Houston texas and looking down at the earth you could see
lots of customers Dave cant Subscibe to Mexico,Central
America,Canada.Cuba.most of South America,Australia to Europe.Getting
the Big picture Yet$$$$$$$$
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DeadWolf
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It's not the cards we worry about anymore! I think jimmy is looped!
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jimmy34741
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The caribean Islands
The Bahamas,Haiti ,Poerto Rico ,Hawaii.. Begining to see how big a
market there is outside the 10mill customers that are not subscribers
but mear Pirates, because they live in a diiferent place someone
supplys them with DTV.Now since they are not hooked to the phoneline
they cant be charged for ppv.So they use the PIC CARDS instead of DAVES
clever designed allknowing HU and never get any ECMs..Go check all
those places the URLs prove me right.Now it is illegal to advertise
that any card is capible of Pirating DTV but most of them are...Yes the
HU card is Daves key to your pocket book But the IRD does all the
calculating...remember how easy it was to replace the BS h card it only
took one chip.Those cards were burnt out by excessive signal.But people
are still watching tv with them..The Hu has twice the chips hince can
withstand 4 times the signal before being burnt up!! The Amazing Randy
has exposed the biggest get rich quick scam ever Lots bigger than
Dollar Bills Microsoft and it is being policed by our
governments$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
$$$ Organized HU-H Nows your chance Loopy get a job hurry before the
Marines quit taking Applacates Dont sit on the dock waiting for your
ship to come in! Swim out to meet it Loopy!
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loopy
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rotflmao How frikkin hilarious was that ?
Made my day Jimmy.
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Harbormaster
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I like the excesive signal theory.
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12-28-2001 08:30 PM
fatboy1
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jimmy jimmy gimmie
gimmie some answers that are not off the wall!!! no links no bull crap
about other things that aren't important
{question: do you have any freakin idea the complexity of the aisc on
the hu-dtv card}......
{pic cards are a good way to spend your time..... but I"AM just like
VMS.. send your info are a card that'll work and I'LL double VMS' s
offer and pay his too.}
I love this site laughter makes you live longer hell guys we just added
ten years to our measly lives here>>
exsessive signal- 250 milion sat. and they have excessive signal I'd be
bitching to someone about that!
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Hawkeye
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Re: Careful dawg They will turn on you
quote:
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Originally posted by jimmy34741
Yes Vista got him a whole covey of the $5k chips and mailed them out to
his group not even flashed!! But can you believe all he had to do was
swap names and Bad mouth the cons and he's right back on top of the
world again!!! But he cant drop the V for some reason?? Maybe his
calling card!!$$ Now compare these prices to wal-mart this might shed a
little light on the subject..Dave is still selling Northsats shit and
Dean was glad to give it up!! Dave posed as Chipperjones25 on EBay for
a year taking names!! http://www.sc-dss.com/ Fargin If your were
22miles over Houston texas and looking down at the earth you could see
lots of customers Dave cant Subscibe to Mexico,Central
America,Canada.Cuba.most of South America,Australia to Europe.Getting
the Big picture Yet$$$$$$$$
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Who the fu<k are you and why are you posting links to my site?
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vms
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Jimmy, You have failed to even acknowledge any of my post. This one is
closed. Any other post you make reguarding this topic will be deleted
until you asnwer my questions. You are being whty to cryptic and
evassive.
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tail and a brain!! Cant wait can you? From a man to a "MONKEY" in one
fell
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I was not there I got there too late but did learn of his asassination
since he did not remain dead after his first dissapearance, they killed
him!! He was 20 years ahead of schedual they are still using his mods
to
implrove the 2004. I got a couple for sale if you know anyone that
wants a
memorial piece!! $150.00each One works one dont! Can you imagine if
they had not clipped hiswings before theHB 232 introduction to
satallite all them birds would have been useless..I think thats what
silenced him was DSS!!!????$$$$$$$$$$$MEGA MONEY MARKET and organized
crime!
Reply
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reason for cooperate america to pull someones plug just cause he
furnished the privvy for a living instead of a fortune!! Then your the
man with the slicer great job !!Cold solder joints! I think that was a
ploy also GRE made the best
recievers and then all of a sudden the whole line of 2004s were
defective!! Bill took to the fix like a sick kitten to a warm brick and
never once realized it was sabatauge.. The 2006 was a 2004 with only a
speed up, 100 channels added & 30mhz step for cell removed and no
internal power supply. The Uniden 796D and the GRE pro 96 were the
first to incorperate your slicer perfection, but you dont need the
publicity the money cant be worth all that?$?$ Sorry I posted your AOL
thingy 3rd page on GPS but no one even noticed?? Bill would have
introduced the ICOM -3 for DicTv in the year 2000!! ??
http://www.usascan.com/files/icr3.html
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anolog to digital converter
and at the same time make it capible of up to 12 ghz for all the new 3
and 4 ghz phones and sat reception?? Tell them jimmy sent
you$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
loopy
LOL Wrong loopy, dumbf_ck! LOL
I have NEVER been a member (junior or otherwise) of ANY forum ANYWHERE
except here in ADH. <period>
Jack thinks you've lost it....
Like I said earlier....you've never had *it* to lose.
loopy
LOL Wrong loopy again, dumbass! LOL
I still have NEVER been a member (junior or otherwise) of ANY forum
ANYWHERE except this forum ADH. <period>
loopy
>Were you there?
>
>I was. Why didn't you speak out?
>
>http://groups-beta.google.com/groups?q=kryppy+cheek+jack
>
>
Hey Jack..... do you have any idea wtf this idiot is talking about??
What forum is he falsely accusing me of participating in??
joetu...@yahoo.com
live in master Jack!! Ps
also he is the same hang on loopy without the cuts or have not made a
penny!! I cant say that but I can say that I have not gotten my moneys
worth yet!!
loopy
It's beginning to make wtf???
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2 : before the present time : AGO <long since dead>
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I am the same loopy who posts in ADH and ONLY ADH.
I repeat, I have NEVER participated in any forum other than ADH.
Spuds? Is that you hiding behind yet another sock?
loopy
>Remember loopy you should have swam out to greet your ship! You most
>wait for evolution to regain your face again! Now that the whole world
>knows your still hung up on asic!! VMS was the vorlon 001;)
LMAO!!!!! You've got the wrong guy, dumbass! I know nothing
what-so-ever about the asic or the group to which another user under
the nick Loopy apparently participated.
I have NEVER participated in any forum other than ADH. <period>
Now the whole world knows you're still hung up on the WRONG guy!!
LMAO!!!!
loopy
>If you live by the Sword you must Die by the Sword! So stand up andtake
>your medicine loopy!!Remember loopy you should have swam out to greet
>your ship! You most
>wait for evolution to regain your face again! Now that the whole world
>knows your still hung up on asic!! VMS was the vorlon 001?Vista/not no
>V8/ect...;)
LMAO!!!!! You've still got the wrong guy, dumbass! I know
nothing what-so-ever about the asic or the group to which another user
under the nick Loopy apparently participated.
I have NEVER participated in any forum other than ADH. <period>
Now the whole world knows you're still hung up on the WRONG guy!!
LMAO!!!!
loopy
>If you live by the Sword you must Die by the Sword! So stand up and
>take
>your medicine loopy!!
>Remember loopy you should have swam out to greet
>your ship! You most
>wait for evolution to regain your face again! Now that the whole world
>knows your still hung up on asic!! VMS was the vorlon 001?Vista/not no
>V8/Vegeta/Ace/Risestar/TTRK/ect...get my drift?;)
LMAO!!!!! You've and idiot who is referencing some other guy,
dumbass! I still know nothing what-so-ever about the asic or the
group to which another user under the nick Loopy apparently
participated.
I have NEVER participated in any forum other than ADH. <period>
Rise and I have had our differences and we expressed them here, in
ADH.....other than that, your drift is out to sea.
Now the whole world (as well as ADH) knows you're still hung up on the
WRONG guy!! LMAO!!!!
loopy
loopy
>If you live by the Sword you must Die by the Sword! So stand up and
>take
>your medicine loopy!!
>Remember loopy you should have swam out to greet
>your ship! You most
>wait for evolution to regain your face again! Now that the whole world
>knows your still hung up on asic!! VMS was the vorlon 001?Vista/not no
>V8/Vegeta/Ace/Risestar/TTRK/ect...get my drift?;)
>This new edit your post option is the bomb I needed it thanks:
>last edited by: joeturn 11:59PM
LMFAO!!!!! You've still got the wrong guy, dumbf_ck! I still
know nothing what-so-ever about the asic or the group to which another
user under the nick Loopy apparently participated.
I have NEVER participated in any forum other than ADH. <period>
Now the whole world knows you're still drifting over the WRONG guy!!
LMAO!!!!
joetu...@yahoo.com
must suffer the consiquencies. Are you going to fish or cut bait? You
cant crawfish here loopy its stike out or hit a home run. Leroy has the
ball now I'de look for a curve!! If you were a heavy hitter then look
for a walk but you were never one to fully understand befor offering
your opinion!So if you so boldly go where no other man has gone before
(Where angels fear to tread) Enjoy your 15 minutes of fame loopy you
have got the lime lite!!!!! joeturn
loopy
Dude....you are obviously suffering from delusions of relevance and
grandeur! I can handle any of the consequences of ANY of my
posts. Hell, I can even spell consequences correctly! <GBFG>
So I stepped up to the plate when I dismissed you as yet another
idiot? IF so then that explains why you've lost your balls. I
just powered them (tiny that they are) out of the park with a check
swing. Something hit that hard and that travels that f_ckin' far
should have a stewardess on it don't ya think??
>[...] I'de look for a curve!!
Wtf look for a curve???
The last thing I concern myself with is yet another illiterate idiot
who consistently makes an even bigger fool of himself by refusing to
acknowledge a simple case of mistake identity. Idiots like yourself
only scramble for cover when exposed to light, just as do all vermin.
As per my 15 minutes of fame.....been there, done that in here way
before anyone in ADH could have their stomach churn while learning to
spell joeturn2000. And you sir, are nothing more than a one legged
idiot on a singular roller skate attempting to instigate an asskickin'
contest.
Dude, whyTF should anyone concern themselves about suffering " the
consiquencies" from an idiot who can't even spell the f_ckin' word???
hmmmmmmm??? ROTFLMAO!!!
joetu...@yahoo.com
"As per my 15 minutes of fame.....been there, done that in here way
before anyone in ADH could have their stomach churn while learning to
spell joeturn2000. And you sir, are nothing more than a one legged
idiot on a singular roller skate attempting to instigate an asskickin'
contest".
How did you loose your memory loopy? I can remeber how the Amazing
Randy exposed DAVE! You are a JACK off all trades but MASTER of
NONE.you can spell,You are a Phsychiatrist, You can teach Grammor,You
can recite jimmy34741, but you cant get a grip on reality! Loopy wait
till your next step in EVOLUTION you can swing from limb to limb, with
your tail ,and know what to do when you get there,with your BRAIN..Dont
hate the player hate the GAME..and waller away the hours in your ivory
towers.. If you had only joined the Marines you would not be out of
work loopy! Your still in the lime lite loopy what are you going to
say to cover up this blunder??
"If such a thing came to pass I'de make a boat out of my ass"....
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FU2 HOWEY CORNS CRACK OR JIMMY CRACKS CORN-I DONT CARE IF ; THE VORLON
8 ONE R 2 IS AN EDITOR-DR7 DISSAPEARED AFTER REVIELING MURDOCK'S
MONOPLY GAME HACKS BOTH THE "GOLDCARD AND THE HU"(CANALPLUS & DIRECT
TV)-speed IS A PREMIUM MEMBER-THERE'S A GLOBAL CONSPIRACY ATF&DSS-ART
BELL WONT TOUCH IT because its bigger than
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Are satellite TV hackers a tool in a global conspiracy?
Where piracy and profits converge
Are satellite TV hackers a tool in a global conspiracy?
By Bob Sullivan
MSNBC
May 30 - It's just a thin slice of plastic that's stuck into your
satellite TV set-top box when you first bring it home. To viewers, the
card is the key that unlocks pay-TV. To corporations, smart cards are
much more - 80 million of them currently unlock one of the world's
most influential and lucrative industries. But now, the plastic cards
are at the center of a global conspiracy theory - a cutthroat
corporate battle, some say, to control the world's living rooms
through deception, cheating, and intimidation.
THE STORY COMES COMPLETE with alleged corporate-sponsored hacking, a
$1 billion lawsuit, mysterious cash payoffs shipped in hollowed-out
VCRs, and even a suspicious death.
The cloak-and-dagger world of pay-TV piracy is a fountain of rumor and
innuendo that befits a Michael Crichton book or a James Bond movie.
But it was all just that - a dramatic story line - until March,
when a
French firm filed a lawsuit that shined a harsh public light on this
secretive world. Public filings in the case have, for the first time,
pierced its veil of secrecy, linking real-world programmers,
executives and companies to the murky nicknames and alter egos of
piracy.
EYE ON MURDOCH SMART CARD MAKER
And at least at the moment, the controversy swirls around a small
British company owned by one of the world's most powerful media
magnates.
That company, NDS, makes smart cards which unlock 28 million of the
world's satellite set-top boxes. Owned by News Corp. and its
flamboyant owner Rupert Murdoch, NDS now finds itself on the receiving
end of a $1.1 billion lawsuit filed in March by French rival Canal
Plus Technologies. Canal Plus comes with its own heavyweights attached
- Vivendi Universal, and its now embattled CEO Jean-Marie Messier.
The Canal Plus lawsuit claims NDS paid hackers to break the code in
Canal Plus smart cards, then gave the information away on the
Internet, all to undermine Canal Plus business. It's probably the
largest computer hacking lawsuit ever, and one of the biggest
accusations of corporate espionage.
An NDS motion to dismiss the case was heard by a federal court in San
Francisco Thursday, although the judge did not immediately issue a
ruling - that could come in the coming days or weeks. Meanwhile,
depositions are set to begin next month. With Canal Plus lawyers
vowing to wage a very public court battle, the next few weeks will
likely raise the curtain on a 5-year drama, unraveling a complicated
world where the interests of small time TV-pirates and moguls bent on
dominating the world's media have at times overlapped rather neatly.
1997: MURDOCH AND ECHOSTAR
Back in 1997, Murdoch's News Corp. was in negotiations to acquire
EchoStar Communications Corp., operator of the DISH Network in the
U.S. EchoStar would be a perfect puzzle piece for Murdoch, whose
powerful portfolio of TV firms was missing a distribution channel in
the lucrative U.S. market. EchoStar was a distant second to DirecTV in
the U.S. market, but a rising star that appeared to have staying
power.
The deal stalled, however, and a dispute over smart cards was part of
the problem, says one source familiar with the talks.
News Corp.'s NDS had only one real competitor in the global smart card
market - a Swiss company named Kudelski Group which makes cards under
the "Nagra" name. Nagra cards protected EchoStar systems, but News
Corp. expected EchoStar to switch to NDS after any deal. NDS already
had DirecTV under contract, so a pact with EchoStar would give the
firm a stranglehold on smart cards across the U.S. But EchoStar
resisted, according to a source, insisting that it keep the option to
use Nagra cards after the deal.
Not long after, the deal was scrapped, in part because EchoStar CEO
Charles Ergen insisted on staying with whatever the best security
technology happened to be, the source said. EchoStar later sued for
breach of contract and settled out of court.
1998: HACKER FOUND DEAD
The following year, in 1998, NDS went looking for more smart card
expertise and contacted brilliant German hacker Boris Floricic. Known
as "Tron" in the computer underground, Floricic was the author of a
well-regarded research paper about reverse engineering smart card
technology.
A few weeks later, in October of 1998, Floricic was found dead,
hanging from a tree in a Berlin park. The death was ruled a suicide by
authorities - a ruling many hackers reject.
There has never been any assertion that NDS was somehow involved in
the death. But the fact that Floricic's father found a letter from NDS
in his son's belongings indicated the company's willingness to consult
the computer underground for security expertise. The incident also
shocked the hacker community, which wondered if computer curiosity
could now have deadly consequences.
1999: DIRECTV DEAL SET TO EXPIRE
Nagra cards and security issues continued to nag NDS the next year, as
the firm's most important contract - with DirecTV - came up for
renewal. NDS was planning an initial public offering to raise $150
million later in the year, so a renewal of its pact with DirecTV was
critical. The only real NDS competitor: the Swiss firm, and Nagra
cards.
It's at this critical moment that the story heads underground. At the
height of the DirecTV-NDS renegotiations, a now-infamous computer file
named Secarom.zip appeared on a pirate Web site DR7.com on March 26,
1999.
Secarom.zip was the master key to European satellite provider Canal
Plus, a slice of code that allowed pirates to create fake smart cards
that foiled the security measures built into those systems. At the
time, Canal Plus was chief rival to BskyB, Murdoch's European
satellite broadcast system. In no time, a cottage industry for Canal
Plus pirate cards formed and at one point, nearly three million of
four millions users in Italy were pirates, according to Canal Plus.
In its lawsuit, Canal Plus alleged NDS was ultimately behind the
hacking of its system, and the cottage industry that formed later,
costing Canal Plus over $1 billion in lost business.
According to the lawsuit, an NDS lab in Israel cracked the Canal Plus
cards, which Canal Plus had developed in-house. Then, the company made
sure the crack was published on the Internet in a place where pirates
were sure to find it. NDS denies Canal Plus' the claims.
MORE HACKING ALLEGATIONS?
But there were other accusations flying around in the hacker
community, too.
Around the same time the code to Canal Plus' smart cards appeared on
the DR7.com Web site, so did the a master key to pirating EchoStar
television and their Nagra smart cards, according to a former
administrator of the site. In fact, the code was published by the same
cast of characters who released the Canal Plus code, suggesting a link
between the two acts of piracy. If, as Canal Plus suggests, NDS was
behind the Canal Plus card piracy, it was behind the EchoStar piracy
too, the administrator says.
E-mails to the administrator of the current DR7.com Web site went
unreturned.
At any rate, with the secret codes to both NDS and Nagra smart now
public, the playing field in the smart card business was level. By
August of 1999, NDS had a new four-year contract with DirecTV.
However, the contract contained an important escape clause - that
DirecTV could develop its own in-house smart card technology and dump
NDS at any time.
NDS declined to comment on the accusation that it was somehow
connected to the EchoStar hack. NDS spokesperson Margot Field said the
company "does not respond to rumors or supposition."
Nagra card maker Kudelski Group and EchoStar also declined comment.
But a spokesperson for Canal Plus said the company had talked with
EchoStar about the incident, and EchoStar had expressed interest in
joining its $1.1 billion lawsuit against NDS.
"We have been contacted by many entities that have been harmed by NDS
activities, seeking to either assist us or to join in the lawsuits,
and that would include EchoStar," said the spokesperson, who requested
anonymity.
CASH STUFFED IN VCR
The months following March of 1999 were the glory days for TV pirates,
with trade in pirate cards clipping along at a multi-million dollar
pace. A "fresh hack" could be worth up to $5 million, according to one
estimate. Pirate dealers in Canada could sell the cards with relative
immunity, since a quirk of law made piracy legal north of the United
States. But money flowed back into the U.S., too, evidenced by a
series of high-ticket lawsuits NDS and DirecTV brought against
individual dealers. In one case alone, DirecTV won a $19 million
judgment against Quebec residents Reginald Scullion and his wife,
Frances Callan for selling pirate equipment to a set of 80 dealers
inside the U.S. during the late 1990s
Rumors about the thriving pirate smart card trade abound. The most
popular involves the discovery later that year of a VCR stuffed with
$50,000 cash that was stopped at the Canadian border by U.S. Customs
officials.
The payment is now legend - never proven publicly - in the TV
pirate
community. The money was one installment of cash headed from Canada to
the U.S., allegedly sent by the operator of DR7.com. It was headed for
a hacker named "Von," payment for supplying the code to hack a major
pay-TV system.
But the VCR caught the attention of customs officials, who began
investigating. No arrests were made in connection with the incident,
and there are no public records indicating it ever happened. But soon
after, things got dicey in the pirate-TV world.
CANAL PLUS INVESTIGATION
At almost the same time, lawyers from Canal Plus Technologies began
their own investigation. Why were Canal Plus smart cards hacked so
fast? Who would have the technological know-how to crack the cards,
and the incentive to see their technology exposed? The answer,
according to Canal Plus lawyers: NDS. Giving away Canal Plus smart
card secrets was the same as giving away their pay-TV for free. It
would ruin the company, and clear the way for Rupert Murdoch's
competitive offering BSkyB.
In filings connected to its lawsuit, Canal Plus identifies Von as
Chris Tarnovsky, the NDS employee. Von, also known as "Big Gun" to
pirates, was a bit of a legend in the underground. He designed the
so-called "battery card" in the early 90s, the first technology used
to steal direct broadcast satellite signals. Tarnovsky, like Floricic,
was a German hacker expert in smart card technology. But like many
hackers, he spent considerable time researching in the hacking
underground, and now many accusations say he spent a good deal of time
on the wrong side. And apparently, Tarnovsky's murky background didn't
scare off his future employer.
2001: MURDOCH WANTS DIRECTV
While Canal Plus lawyers researched the possible unholy alliance -
and
according to some sources, while EchoStar did its own fruitless
investigation into NDS - piracy against DirecTV ramped up. According
to one informed source, piracy rates nearly doubled as the year 2000
drew to a close.
Drastic measures were necessary: NDS and DirecTV planned a massive
electronic counter-measure designed to zap pirate cards sitting in
set-top boxes. The "code bomb" exploded on what pirates know as "Black
Sunday," just before the 2001 Super Bowl. Some 300,000 pirates were
zapped. But within months, according to the source, most were back
stealing signals, and DirecTV's frustration with NDS grew. But at the
same time, NDS' parent was about to make a bid to buy DirecTV.
Only a few weeks before that Super Bowl Sunday, Murdoch indicated he
was ready to make another aggressive move to acquire a U.S. satellite
broadcaster. This time, Murdoch's News Corp. launched a $30 billion
bid to pluck DirecTV from Hughes Electronics in January. The deal
would have made Murdoch's SkyGlobal - already with assets in Europe,
Asia, and Latin America - the largest television platform in the
world.
As the technology stock market began its southern migration, the
purchase price for U.S. market leader DirecTV became more reasonable,
and negotiations heated up between the two firms. Once again, Murdoch
was on the brink of a deal, and once again, it was snatched away -
and
once again, smart cards could be blamed.
Nine months after word leaked out of Murdoch's bid, U.S. rival
EchoStar swooped in with a last-minute offer that trumped News Corp.
The pot had been sweetened by a $1 billion kick-in from Kudelski
Group, the Nagra card maker. The kick-in made sense; if Nagra could
wrestle DirecTV's business away from NDS, it would add some 40 cents
per share to the company's bottom line.
The deal was approved by the two companies in October 2001, but it
faces an uncertain regulatory future - because it would create one
firm that overwhelmingly controls the U.S. direct broadcast market,
the Federal Trade Commission is reviewing the deal.
2002: DIRECTV MOVES TO DROP NDS
But already, there is apparently fallout for NDS. In April, DirecTV
announced it would sever ties with Murdoch's smart cards, saying it
would exercise the "out" included in their 1999, four-year pact.
DirecTV will develop its own smart cards, the announcement indicated.
It would also immediately act to replace all current customer smart
cards, a swap-out that's expensive and time-consuming.
The news trounced NDS stock, coming hardly two weeks after Canal Plus
filed its lawsuit against NDS.
DirecTV spokesperson Bob Marsocci said the timing of the announcement
had nothing to do with the Canal Plus lawsuit; and NDS spokesperson
Margot Field, in an e-mail, said "NDS continues to have a good
relationship with DirecTV," and noted that NDS will continue to earn
revenue from its DirecTV relationship through August 2003.
However, a source familiar with the situation told MSNBC.com that
DirecTV has been frustrated with NDS for some time, and that NDS
employees were barred last year from working on any DirecTV
conditional access systems related to smart card production. Another
source confirmed that DirecTV's relationship with NDS had grown
increasingly rocky over recent years, as DirecTV became more
frustrated with NDS' apparently inability to keep hackers from
stealing signals.
FEARS FOR HIS LIFE
Back to the present, where pirates, TV companies, and journalists are
closely watching developments in the Canal Plus case. More answers,
and more entanglements are bound to emerge as discovery proceeds in
the Canal Plus lawsuit. But one thing seems clear - in this
high-stakes story, fear has kept many potential sources hidden behind
nicknames or away from the lawyers and journalists altogether.
Oliver Kommerling, another German smart card expert, has emerged as a
whistleblower and key witness so far. Kommerling, who runs a firm
half-owned by NDS, has filed papers in support of Canal Plus' lawsuit,
directly accusing Tarnovsky of publishing the rogue code on DR7.com.
Kommerling and Floricic have a common friend, Marcus Kuhn - both have
written papers with Kuhn on reverse engineering smart cards. Floricic
is now dead, and Kommerling has told MSNBC.com he has felt "pressure,"
since filing his assertions with the court.
And if Canal Plus security manager Gilles Kaehlin is to be believed,
Tarnovsky is scared, too. In a written statement to the court, Kaehlin
says Tarnovsky admitted to him NDS was behind the smart card hack, and
that he was prepared to tell the truth in court. But, the filing says,
Tarnovsky refused to be the the whistleblower on NDS' illegal
activities, "because he feared too much for his life and that of his
family," Kaehlin said.
QUESTIONS REMAIN
There are still many questions surrounding the current allegations
against NDS. Why would such a successful security firm take such as
incredible risk, in fact risking its entire reputation, to interfere
with competitors?
In the computer underground, conspiracy theories are rampant. Unlike
most hobbyist computer hacking, pirated pay-TV cards are a lucrative
business, cards can sell for hundreds of dollars each. Complicating
matters further, the legality of sales in this "gray market" is
somewhat murky in Canada, and there's suspicion that satellite
dealerships, distributors, and even company insiders profited from
aiding Canadian "gray market" dealers. There's also a long-standing
notion that piracy is good for the business. In an odd twist, tacitly
allowing people to watch pirated TV is a way to gain market share,
since many pirates eventually give in and convert to paying customers.
TV pirates generally can't make new smart cards - they have to use
real, corporate-issued smart cards, which are then altered via
software. Millions of extra smart cards seem to have somehow gotten
into pirates' hands over the years. Who made all those extra piece of
plastic - and how did they get out of the hands of manufacturers or
legitimate dealers?
In fact, some say, firms like DirecTV and Canal Plus have gotten what
they deserve - tacitly allowing piracy was a mistake that got out of
hand. Now, all these firms must have security departments that cozy up
to hackers to keep up with the pirates, and employees who have
less-than-perfect backgrounds. NDS' troubles, they say, are just the
first to see the harsh light of a courtroom.
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SAWEEEEET!
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This explains everything as far as I'm concerned. It seems impossible
that someone could hack new smart cards so quickly without current
technology. Simply corporate politics that are greedy and want to eay
up other companies....
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Old news, but very well put together by Sullivan. Too bad it still
doesn't tell all the story...or the numbers involved.
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Sammi, I agree, old news for us that have been in the game for
awhile, but the fact that it's now a matter of public record is
significant IMO.
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Wait and see what the their stocks will do in the AM
Shareholders had no idea till this
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Your right Wooden Nickle, another golden short sell opportunity we
missed.
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DSS-WHIZ IS PISSED
NOW I COME AT YA AGAIN AND I SAY THIS BECAUSE WE WATCH TV AND NOT
MURDERING SOMEONE IS IT ILEGAL
AND BECAUSE WERE NOT DOIN DRUGS AND WATCHING TV IS IT ILEGAL I SAY
COME ON GET OFF IT LEAVE THE SATALITE INDUSRY ALON GO AFTER MURDER AND
OTHER REAL PROBLEM============
LOOK SAY WE ALL HAD STORE AND WE HAD THE SAME ORE A CLOSE TO IT BRAND
WHAT WOULD YOU DO TO SELL COMPETE WITH THE REST OF THE SELLING MARKET
CORECT WELL LOOKY HERE WE HAVE A COMPANY WHO IS DAMIT FIGHTING TO MAKE
THEY DID &$#&%^()&^)^ MAKE IT ILEGAL BECAUSE THEY DONT NO HOW OR DO
NOT NO WHAT MAN HAS DONE FOR YEARS COMPETE AGAINSED OTHERS IN STORE
ICE CREAM U NAME IT OH AND YES SATALITES TO ONE DAY SAY THATS IT ITS
ILEGAL OUR WAY OR NO WAY WELL LOOK HERE TO ALL WHO ARE PUTTING A
STRONG EFORT TO MAKE THIS SATALITE ILEGAL WELL FUCK YOU GET WITH THE
GAME AND IF YA CANT BEAT IT JOIN IT MEANING DONT SAY ILEGAL SAY
NEGOTIATE CHEAPER COSTS IN PACKAGES THERES SO MANY DIFFERENT ANGLES
BUT BOTTOM LINE THINK ABOUT IT ARE WE KILLIN ANYONE BY WATCHIN
TELIVISION
''????????????????????????????????????GUYS LETS BE COMPETATIVE BELL
EXPRESSVIEW FUCK YOU THE DSS WHIZ
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Ahh... DSSSWHIZ sure has a way with words huh?
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lol
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Re: DSS-WHIZ IS PISSED
(Quote
Originally posted by beretta
CHEAPER COSTS IN PACKAGES
I agree with the whiz. (I think)
I would pay $50/month for platinum service, not $100.
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yup guys it's all about money$!!! NDS playing both sides of the
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loopy
No one posting as a David Crowl, or a Amazing Randy, or a jimmy34741
has ever posted in ADH to my knowledge. As such, no one in ADH
knows wtf you are babbling about.
Anyone this loopy has tangled with participated in here ADH. This
is the only forum in which I participate.
That is in part why Kryppy expressed his thought that you've lost it.
You exhibit your illiteracy for public display and then rant and rave
about "EVOLUTION" and your usages for limbs and tails.
They are just that....YOUR usages for such foolishness.
So you have my permission to rant on like the village idiot you are,
about people and events no one in ADH knows anything about. Or
gives a sh_t about for that matter.
Rant on and *enhance* your dubious distinction of new ADH village
idiot.
loopy
yawn
joetu...@yahoo.com
May have to check hashhu for the amazing randy?
joetu...@yahoo.com
about something but noone will ever fine out what . I will dedicate a
throne for you since you are a convert.We have taken out the center
urinal and put in a bidet just for you.
loopy
>Why thank you loopy [...]
You are both welcome and dismissed.
boobs_b...@yahoo.com
banned because its a harasment forum.
wtf!
I tryed to get to that eq file forum on geocities and it's gone too. I
read on markus that eq is now working with wahoo and zekerian in
fighting dtv
wtf!
Is this a twilight zone world where eq is a hero fighting dtv? please
say its not! stop the world I want to get off!
jet
> read on markus that eq is now working with wahoo and zekerian in
> fighting dtv
>
The closest he's getting to doing that is Zak appearing for him at
a deposition, because EQ was too drugged up to attend (but lied and
said he was there).
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hell-flame-wars
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Phat Finger
The IMBECILE always cries like a Whiney Little Biatch, and it's been his
trademark.
Jet has him nailed.... "He roars from the bottom, submissive position."
Hurt me, beat me, torture me....
He is actually a composite of a Sadist (towards other people), and a Masochist
concerning himself (which unfortunately includes his family and associates).
--
Phat
Phat Finger
>In article <1107869857.7...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, boobs_b...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> read on markus that eq is now working with wahoo and zekerian in
>> fighting dtv
>>
>
>The closest he's getting to doing that is Zak appearing for him at
>a deposition, because EQ was too drugged up to attend (but lied and
>said he was there).
Hi Jet.... You have had such major ownership of the IMBECILE that it is a
hoot.
Next, we'll have to have Web Putz, (Wizzhard), sucking up to you again.
Mr. Whorely has quite a following that isn't going away.
Now has he been whining that he has been ridiculed and mocked? Now that his
beautiful wife is tricking again to support the family, he can settle back
into his puter in his single wide with tires on the roof.
I'm only remiss that others didn't heed the warnings, and are in financial
jeopardy due to the Serial Liar.
Regards
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Phat
jet
His newest plan is to file criminal charges against North for
cyberstalking. I honestly think he has Alzheimers and doesn't
remember all the stuff he's posted himself.
joetu...@yahoo.com
false hope.People(sheeple) read and believe he is a victim but he is
making as
much as Risler for his patronage off this scam.Zakarian was on DicTVs
payrole all along .Its their hipocrictic oath to get rich and stay that
way off the suckers. "E.T. Barnum" Retainer or did your water
break?$?$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Phat Finger
>In article <80ri011vecv0lsepo...@4ax.com>, Phat Finger <WoP...@freeclinic.jp> wrote:
>> j...@untool.net (jet) wrote:
>>
>> >In article <1107869857.7...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
>> boobs_b...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> >> read on markus that eq is now working with wahoo and zekerian in
>> >> fighting dtv
>> >>
>> >
>> >The closest he's getting to doing that is Zak appearing for him at
>> >a deposition, because EQ was too drugged up to attend (but lied and
>> >said he was there).
>>
>>
>> Hi Jet.... You have had such major ownership of the IMBECILE that it is a
>> hoot.
>>
>> Next, we'll have to have Web Putz, (Wizzhard), sucking up to you again.
>>
>> Mr. Whorely has quite a following that isn't going away.
>>
>> Now has he been whining that he has been ridiculed and mocked? Now that his
>> beautiful wife is tricking again to support the family, he can settle back
>> into his puter in his single wide with tires on the roof.
>>
>> I'm only remiss that others didn't heed the warnings, and are in financial
>> jeopardy due to the Serial Liar.
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>
>His newest plan is to file criminal charges against North for
>cyberstalking. I honestly think he has Alzheimers and doesn't
>remember all the stuff he's posted himself.
He will have a hard time filing any type of stalking charges in view of his
many awards as a kOOk, and his long history of harassing others.
He is now so hated that he will be followed and debunked wherever he goes.
A FOTOC isn't going to fare well on the net. Memories are as long as his
pack of lies.
Thanks for the update.
--
Phat
joetu...@yahoo.com
same as all the bull shit found on PACER and the LEGAL RIGHTS
ORGanized criminals.Just an on going ploy for ORGANIZED CRIME to take
advantage of the illiterate.
Ambulance chasers, get a job the party is over !!
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
loopy
>YOUR NOT LISTENING !
You've (you have) noticed?
You're (you are) correct! NO ONE is listening....to you.
You're (you are) an illiterate idiot and perhaps that is why NO ONE is
listening...to you.
joetu...@yahoo.com
Enjoying your replys makes my cock throbe! Say more! Get me off! Can
I
dump in your mouth cum back Loopy !Lick the Mud off my turtle you must
clean up your mess! ooooooooooooooooh
loopy
Self-admitted brain damaged Fag boy with your every post you confirm
your dual position as ADH village idiot and ADH flaming queen status.
BTW:
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Your posts are quite an impressive displays of your <GBSEG> IQ of 117.
LMFAO!!!!!
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Date: 25 Nov 2003 16:32:11 -0800
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Subject: Re: Cool hand Luke/Last word Fred/first hand Fred/Full of
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joeturn2...@yahoo.com (joeturn) wrote in message
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> "Jerry Girard" <jgira...@yahoo.com> wrote in message <news:oJSdnXmSmbt...@comcast.com>...
> > Sorry guy. You've got the wrong person. Do you think I'd really use my
> > REAL name?
> yes I do;)
> http://www.emode.com/tests/uiq/compare.jsp
I scored 117 with brain damage how smart are you?;)
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Fagboi, do you have a lot of success with your illiterate faggot
solicitations, such as the one you just made above, in the public
men's restrooms where you happily conceded in an earlier post you
troll for excitement??
And when you do find another faggot with whom to engage in your
trysts, who goes first? Is it his turn or is it *joeturn* regardless
of how many thousands of times it has been. <GBFG>
Most normal people have heard about how promiscuous you fags are, but
come on.... can that it possibly be true that you've (you have had)
2000 GAY encounters like you advertise??
Is this ng great or what, whereTF else can you get legal advice from a
self admitted brain damaged illiterate harlequin. (That is when the
self-admitted faggot is not issuing pathetic illiterate solicitations
for GAY sex?)
Ya gotta love it!
ROTFF - LMFAO!!!!!!
joetu...@yahoo.com
me in his back door, but as time went on he now will allow me to swap
orfices with every stroke! Yes Loopy looks forwardto gay sex its
actually the only sex he can get anymore. Not to worry though loopy my
first yrQ was135 as it wasI busted your cherry orchard. I will not for
sakeyou in a time of need!! Sincerly your "hole mate" dont give up on
teach me grammer Loopy a deal is a deal!!
loopy
onto his keyboard and illiterately spewed the following...
LMFAO!! Fagboi you are a quite predictable hoot! Illiterate and
queer as a three dollar bill and an attention freak as are all Flaming
queens. Look at me...look at me.....Your (you're to most normal
people) are not listening to ME...the little bitch cries!!!
I am amazed that you noticed that NO ONE wants legal advice from an
illiterate, faggot such as you proudly proclaim yourself to be.
Complain all you wish dicklicker about the normal people ignoring you,
FLAME away fagboi.....that is all you are reduced to anyway.
It is quite pitiful that all you can do is cyber-play with your tiny
ding-a-ling and post the resulting spew that is the direct result of
your public masturbation to be sadly displayed in here ADH for all to
see.
Sonnyboi, being double jointed the only backdoor you explore is your
own....and you do so in public. That's why you had those damn pesky
lower ribs removed, as to better facilitate your self abuse.
Self abuse like you enjoy is one thing, but jacking off in public is
always unseemly. But then again you Flaming FAGGOTS are always over
the top with your public scenes.
Wow and illiterate Fagboi claiming an IQ of 117 who exposes that LIE
every time you jackoff onto your keyboard and feel you must share the
resulting gross emissions with ADH. <sigh>
I do enjoy the ease with which I bitch-slapping you down though
fagboi, so keep on spewing your idiocy, I'll be here to shove it right
back down your always open throat for ya. (I'd gotten bored without
Spuds idiocy to expose anymore.) <GBSEG>
joetu...@yahoo.com
around youve got me all excited again!!! When are you going to the
disney park on queer day again with me Loopy! My liitle mud turtle
is exploding with desire for you now loopy oooooooooooomm You are my
little lap dog bark you bitch!
loopy
>YOUR NOT LISTENING !
waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!
joetu...@yahoo.com
KWEK! but not a lost for words reply like waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!'
Its not like you to not have a mouthful??