[OT] ARAB & MUSLIM IMMIGRANT REGISTRATION
Sex Cow
Scott TNT Piehler
cd
arabs tho. I'm sure we have a few at least. But otherwise, if you're of
arab descent or a muslim, you're fuckin blackballed in this country.
As an athiest, I cant see ppl loving a god as much as they do....enough to
kill other ppl in the name of that god. Ppl with this kind of simple
psychology are going to end civilization on this earth. One day, some
wonderful day, we'll abolish religion in this world and there will be true,
total peace.
Religion = War = Death
By the way, I'm no tree huggin peace-nic fuck singing 'give peace a chance'.
I understand this war to be valid (somewhat), however I'm 110% BEHIND our
troops. In fact, I cant WAIT to see some underground videos of our guys
holding up decapitated heads of suni-muslim Iraqi fucks. And every day I
become depressed thinking about those POWs and that mechanized unit where
half of them were murdered. That al-jazeerah video fuckin kills me.
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Mr Wizzard
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> That is pretty damn funny. I kinda feel bad for any peace loving american
> arabs tho.
Thing is, "those" kind's of Arabs are educated enough to "understand" the
situation.
> I'm sure we have a few at least. But otherwise, if you're of
> arab descent or a muslim, you're fuckin blackballed in this country.
Know "why" that setiment exists ?? - its because they are bread and
taught at a very early age to stand by ALL fellow muslums no matter
HOW bad of an axe murder they may be, THATS why. Arabs are
NOT taught that right/wrong is faceless, raceless, and sexless - its a
very twisted sence of right vs wrong that they are brought up with.
> As an athiest, I cant see ppl loving a god as much as they do.
Thats NOT the problem - the "problem" is the particular "voo-doo"
that their religion teaches them. They happen to have a religion
that teaches them that goal in life is to "march the jews into the sea".
Fact:! - there have been MORE copies of Hitlers 'Mind Kompf"
sold in the Palestinian terrorities than ANYwhere else in the world!
The thinking is that since Hitler was able to exterminate so many
Jews, that he would be a good resource for the muslins to use for
tips and pointers in their attempts to start this up and try it.
> ...enough to
> kill other ppl in the name of that god. Ppl with this kind of simple
> psychology are going to end civilization on this earth.
Thats a fact Jack! Problem is, they themselves will never be able
to see it, and it will be some other race, or generation that will
see this.
> One day, some
> wonderful day, we'll abolish religion in this world and there will be
true,
> total peace.
> Religion = War = Death
No, not quite. 'Budism' for example, is one of the most logical,
passive, and peacefull religion on the face of this blue globe!
The issue is: MUSLUMISM = War = Death. PERIOD.
>
> By the way, I'm no tree huggin peace-nic fuck singing 'give peace a
chance'.
> I understand this war to be valid (somewhat), however I'm 110% BEHIND our
> troops. In fact, I cant WAIT to see some underground videos of our guys
> holding up decapitated heads of suni-muslim Iraqi fucks. And every day I
> become depressed thinking about those POWs and that mechanized unit where
> half of them were murdered. That al-jazeerah video fuckin kills me.
Amen brother - A fricken MEN! (your last paragraph is DEAD nuts on!)
But seriously, its not "religion" in general - its that fucked up voo-doo
muslum
shit. Don't believe me? - hell, just go read the Korean - plain as day !
Sex Cow
wrote:
> Don't believe me? - hell, just go read the Korean - plain as day !
I took your advice. I have a Korean friend named Kim Park and I asked
him about the muslim religion and he just shrugged his shoulders.
Seriously, I think you need to do some more research about the Koran
and the Muslim faith because you are *greatly* uninformed. There has
also been a lot of misery brought about by Christians through the
years, and there are a lot of wrath and hate-filled passages in the
bible. It is small-minded and short-sighted to place most of the evils
in the world on one religion, especially when you don't even know
enough about the religion to spell it properly, or to use the correct
name of their religious text. There are also MANY different and
opposing views within their religion.
Islam is a peaceful religion, but how do Muslims rationalize committing
terrorist acts in the name of their faith? The word Islam means
surrender or submission. Five times a day, nearly a billion and a half
Muslims across the globe surrender themselves to god, to Allah.
In his revelations to the prophet Muhammed, Allah demanded that his
followers be just, compassionate, and tolerant. So how do we reconcile
this ideal of faith with the terror in the name of faith attacks on
Sept. 11? How could followers of Islam create great works of art and
beauty like the Bamiyan Statues in the name of God -- only to destroy
the 2,000-year-old works, again, in the name of God?
The apparent contradictions of Islam are what baffle us and, rightly or
wrongly, shape our views of one of the great religions of the world.
Is Osama bin Laden something Islamic? Yes, certainly he arose from
within Islamic civilizationŠin the same way that Hitler and the Nazis
rose within Christian Europe. They see this as an ongoing struggle
between two world religions. There are only two world religionsŠ All
the others are localŠ There are two religions which are convinced they
are the sole custodians of God's final message to mankind, which it is
their duty to bring to everyone else.
The armed struggle between Islam and Christianity had its origins in
Mecca, part of modern-day Saudi Arabia. In the year 612 AD, Muhammed is
said to have begun preaching the words of Allah. Almost immediately,
the battles began. At first, Muhammed fought strictly to make the
neighborhood safe for his little community of converts to Islam. But by
the time of his death, 20 years later, Muslims were well on their way
to conquering the world much of which was Christian. If you visit
Jerusalem, you will go to the dome of the rock, the earliest Muslim
religious building outside Arabia. In the dome of the rock, there are
inscriptions and there are verses which say Śhe is God. He is one. He
has no companion. He does not beget. He is not begotten.ą I mean ,this
is clearly anti-Christian polemicŠ What they were saying in effect...to
the Christian world, ŚOur time is over...now we have come,ą and the
struggle went on for 14 centuries.
For Muslims, there has never been a distinction between politics and
religion. God and government go together. At its peak, Muslim rule
extended right across Europe and the Middle East, throughout Central
Asia and all the way to China. The art of war served the glory of God.
The level of culture was extraordinary many of the things we take for
granted in the west are things that were either developed within or at
least transmitted by great scholars in the Islamic world. In the arts,
in science and commerce, Muslim culture led the world.
Christian Europe, by comparison, was a primitive backwater playing
catch-up, until the end of the 17th century when things started to go
wrong for Muslims. They had long despised the peoples of Europe as
uncouth barbarians. For a long time, they were right, but they ceased
to be right, and a time came when the Europeans first drew equal and
then surpassed the level of achievement in the Muslim countries.
One factor was the continuing subordination of women in Muslim society.
The Koran doesn't give women equality. The Koran says a man can have up
to 4 wives plus concubines. The Koran also says quite emphatically that
if your wives disobey you, beat them.
While European culture wasn't exactly enlightened, western women did
better than Muslim women and it had an impact.
The long slow decline of Muslim culture culminated in the collapse of
the Ottoman Empire after World War I. Muslims have been debating how to
set things right for 300 years.
On the one hand, you have those who say there is now a modern
civilization and the only way forward is to become part of this modern
civilization. Now the other answer is those who say, ŚNo, where we went
wrong is in abandoning our true heritage. And therefore the remedy is a
return to authentic Islam, getting rid of the unbeliever and his evil
ways.ą
This is exactly the position of Osama bin Laden and his sympathizers.
They are very much aware of this historical struggle and Osama bin
Laden speaks frequently of the crusades. He speaks of, with regret, of
how the Muslims lost Spain, which for many centuries was part of the
Islamic world,˛ and though that happened in 1492, łto them that's only
yesterday. There is this awareness of past greatness and present
humiliation.
This humiliation translates into rage with the United States, because
American troops dared to set foot in Saudi Arabia, Islam's holiest
land, and establish the world's largest Air Force base right in the
middle of Mecca. The first enemy was the Byzantine emperor and now the
United States is the latest in this sequence of the rulers of
Christendom. The heads of the lands of the unbelievers and therefore
the principal adversary.
But bin Laden and his followers would also like to bring down the Saudi
royal family, because they invited the Americans in. The irony is that
the Saudis consider themselves keepers of the Islamic faith. They've
spent vast sums of their oil money suppporting all the religious
schools, called madrassahs that have, in recent years, become the
breeding grounds for the virulent form of fundamentalism, incubated in
Afganistan. They have provided militant Muslims a vehicle for venting
the rage they feel, a lot of it justified.
Where did the rage come from? All one can say is the awfulness of the
regimes that ruled these countriesŠpoverty, joblessness, at the
collapse of the whole service system that they knew under Communism.
The education, the health systemŠwas very important. The regimes have
created such an atmosphere of underdevelopment, of no freedoms, of
political repression, religious repression that really if you are a
pious Muslim, you can do nothing else except rebel against such a
regime.
When the United States enters into the equation and cozies up to the
very people the militants blame for their misery, it should come as no
surprise that they blame us too.
Just look at our friend, Egypt, recipient of roughly $2 billion a year
in U.S. foreign aid. Only one country, Israel, gets more. The U.S.
State Department acknowledges that President Hosni Mubarak has jailed
more than 15,000 political prisoners, most of them Muslim
fundamentalists.
Then there is Pakistan, our partner in the war on terrorism. Eight out
of ten Pakistanis live on less than $2 a day. General Pervez Musharraf,
whose regime is fragile at best, has dealt with his own Islamic
militant problem by assuming dictatorial powers.
Add to that, the belief among Muslims that the United States
overwhelmingly supports the Israelis over the Palestinians in the
Middle East and, according to Rashid, it creates the likelihood that
Muslims will hate us even more.
I think what is coming out with this show of might at the moment is,
the ugly American. You know, let's bomb our enemies because bombing is
much easier than trying to negotiate or have a dialogue or you know,
bring international pressure to bear. Iraq certainly is a rogue state.
Saddam Hussein needs to go, but I don't think at this present juncture
in the Middle East with the violence that's already on between Israel
and the Palestinians, that the U.S. can take on right now another
target in the middle east such as Saddam Hussein. Seeming to be
hesitant and indecisive and weak and even frightened is just asking for
trouble.
Action in Iraq may be controversial, but force is the language Muslim
militants understand, even Saddam Hussein. I think if Saddam Hussein
stays where he is, he will become increasingly dangerous.
We have the United States facing off, on the one hand, against Saddam
Hussein, a man it regards as a Middle Eastern thug who happens to be
Muslim. On the other, Osama bin Laden and his followers, Islamic
puritans out to avenge the decline of Muslim culture on Americans. For
the Muslim world, taking sides is a matter of struggling with its own
identity.
I don't think, that historically speaking, we're going to see this as a
clash of civilizations, or as a major confrontation between
Christianity and, far more east and west, as a Muslim. What I hope this
will lead to is a reformation inside the Islamic world, changes within
the Islamic world, changes in the way regimes view their own people and
the way people view their regimes...and a much greater openness and
commitment to democratic values by these regimes to economic reform, to
a free press.
The acts of a few may have distorted our vision of many. Perhaps it is
useful to remember that each day when they pray, nearly a billion and a
half Muslims submit themselves to the will of Allah who commands them
to be just, compassionate and tolerant.
cd
2000 years ago. Muslims are hateful suicidal killers which have been
terrorizing every society since page fucking TWO in the bible.
> The Koran doesn't give women equality. The Koran says a man can have up
to 4 wives plus concubines. The Koran also says quite emphatically that
if your wives disobey you, beat them.
And what about the mormons? How about 1 Timothy 12 that says something to
the effect that 'I expect a housewife to do nothing more than be just that,
a housewife. She shouldnt voice her opinion...' etc.
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> within Islamic civilizationSin the same way that Hitler and the Nazis
> rose within Christian Europe. They see this as an ongoing struggle
> between two world religions. There are only two world religionsS All
> the others are localS There are two religions which are convinced they
> are the sole custodians of God's final message to mankind, which it is
> their duty to bring to everyone else.
>
> The armed struggle between Islam and Christianity had its origins in
> Mecca, part of modern-day Saudi Arabia. In the year 612 AD, Muhammed is
> said to have begun preaching the words of Allah. Almost immediately,
> the battles began. At first, Muhammed fought strictly to make the
> neighborhood safe for his little community of converts to Islam. But by
> the time of his death, 20 years later, Muslims were well on their way
> to conquering the world much of which was Christian. If you visit
> Jerusalem, you will go to the dome of the rock, the earliest Muslim
> religious building outside Arabia. In the dome of the rock, there are
> inscriptions and there are verses which say Ohe is God. He is one. He
> has no companion. He does not beget. He is not begotten.ą I mean ,this
> is clearly anti-Christian polemicS What they were saying in effect...to
> the Christian world, OOur time is over...now we have come,ą and the
> civilization. Now the other answer is those who say, ONo, where we went
> regimes that ruled these countriesSpoverty, joblessness, at the
> collapse of the whole service system that they knew under Communism.
> The education, the health systemSwas very important. The regimes have
Sex Cow
<luna...@ziplip.com> wrote:
> You preach well about the peacefulness of Muslimism which ONLY occured about
> 2000 years ago. Muslims are hateful suicidal killers which have been
> terrorizing every society since page fucking TWO in the bible.
You are wrong. As my post stated there are MANY facets of Islam and
many different "schools of thought." To lump ALL muslims together in
one category is narrow-minded and shows you have no real understanding
of Islam. Did you know that Muslim's consider the Bible to be holy
scripture, and Jesus Christ to be a holy person?
>
> > The Koran doesn't give women equality. The Koran says a man can have up
> to 4 wives plus concubines. The Koran also says quite emphatically that
> if your wives disobey you, beat them.
>
> And what about the mormons? How about 1 Timothy 12 that says something to
> the effect that 'I expect a housewife to do nothing more than be just that,
> a housewife. She shouldnt voice her opinion...' etc.
What does this have to do with the subject at hand?
Mr Wizzard
> wrote:
>
> > Don't believe me? - hell, just go read the Korean - plain as day !
>
> I took your advice. I have a Korean friend named Kim Park and I asked
> him about the muslim religion and he just shrugged his shoulders.
>
> Seriously, I think you need to do some more research about the Koran
> and the Muslim faith because you are *greatly* uninformed.
Could be... All I can address is the "uneasyness", and fear that
an average Amarican sees and feels about that rather dark, and
mysterous religion. But first off, one of the main issues you
need to remember is, that one should not have to "research"
something like this in the first place if it were a benevalent
obvious thing. i.e. in 40 some odd years of my life, I have
YET to see a muslum "peace corps" like venue. Are there muslum
charity events ? muslum food banks, soup kitchens, bake sales,
fairs, keep America green charity events, etc. etc. ?? I don't
"visually" see (or here about) anything like this. Do you ??
Secondly, and when people DO decide to dig in and research this
seemingly dark and voo-doo like religion, we unconver shit like
"march the Jews into the sea", and kill all who do not believe
in Alla etc.... I mean, the "writtings" themSELVES don't seem
to have clestrial-like feelings of goodness like angels and the like.
> There has
> also been a lot of misery brought about by Christians through the
> years, and there are a lot of wrath and hate-filled passages in the
> bible. It is small-minded and short-sighted to place most of the evils
> in the world on one religion, especially when you don't even know
> enough about the religion to spell it properly, or to use the correct
> name of their religious text. There are also MANY different and
> opposing views within their religion.
Again, the issue being the lack of "apparent", and obvious goodness.
It is the *obligation* of muslum supporters to "show" its safeness,
and goodness if it exists. Do you not agree? In this nation, and
around the world, you can always see religions in *general* doing
peace corps, and charity things. Hell, on a Sunday, you can drive
thru any populated surburban neighborhood and see all sorts of church
stuff going on, from all KINDS of religions. Tons of that shit.
>
> Islam is a peaceful religion,
Bt they are NOT open to accepting OTHER religions like
the OTHER religions are to THEM !! They do not ALLOW
non-muslums into Mecca. Why is that ?? Thats a problem.
> but how do Muslims rationalize committing
> terrorist acts in the name of their faith? The word Islam means
> surrender or submission. Five times a day, nearly a billion and a half
> Muslims across the globe surrender themselves to god, to Allah.
That wieird man, no getting away from that. Thats just plain
mind control and "cult" like programing, plain and simple.
Christianity teaches us to go out and spread the goodness and
DO the charity work, bake sales, volunteer work, peace-corps etc,
NOT "surrender" your mind to him. Thats "logically" just whacked.
>
> In his revelations to the prophet Muhammed, Allah demanded that his
> followers be just, compassionate, and tolerant.
Is this "tolerance" displayed in Mecca ??, Saudia Aribia ?
> So how do we reconcile
> this ideal of faith with the terror in the name of faith attacks on
> Sept. 11? How could followers of Islam create great works of art and
> beauty like the Bamiyan Statues in the name of God -- only to destroy
> the 2,000-year-old works, again, in the name of God?
Ahh, see! - thats to "heavy" for anyone to handle.
They need to lighten up this voo-doo like dark religion.
Get a grip - the muslums need to "modernize" - maybe rent
out a church hall (mosque hall) one Sunday afternoon, throw
off that black garb, and hold a big bake sale, and dance,
and "soialize" a little bit.
>
> The apparent contradictions of Islam are what baffle us and, rightly or
> wrongly, shape our views of one of the great religions of the world.
Dude, you're reading way too much into all of this. If this stuff
is Ok, and "safe" as you elude to, I wanna be able to drive thru
urban neighborhoods on a bright sunny Sunday afternoon and "see"
these people doing similar things that other religions do. I want
to "see" them doing bake sales, food drives, food banks, charity
work - this should be a no-brainer. It "hurts" peoples brains to
have to put so much thought into this Islam crap and have to
"rationalize" why you don't see them doing the things that other
religions do. Its very much a "impressions" thing you know...
And on the rest of this stuff below that I just cut out..
Know what, no offence, but thats a little "too much" text,
and reading etc, I had to cut this out. Thats all "too heavy",
it makes peoples "brain hurt" to have to wade thru all of that.
In my mind, if a "religion" based thing is not apparently
obvious that it is "goodnes" and a little research *still*
doesn't yield obvious goodness and happyness, then it isn't.
i.e. the average American wants to drive thru urban neighboorhoods
and "SEE" happy people and kids in the church grounds jumping,
and playing, running, and picking daisys etc. etc. - we don't
generally gravitate to "dark" things. At least not me. And
its some-what of a instinct thing too. Visions of happy kids
and butterfiles stimulate endorphans in the brain, whereas
acciently walking into a voo-doo mosque during a prayer rug
exercize is like stumbling into a sayonce or some shit - would
scare the fuck out of most people !
Mr Wizzard
> In article <v88ec4h...@corp.supernews.com>, cd
> <luna...@ziplip.com> wrote:
>
> > You preach well about the peacefulness of Muslimism which ONLY occured about
> > 2000 years ago. Muslims are hateful suicidal killers which have been
> > terrorizing every society since page fucking TWO in the bible.
>
> You are wrong. As my post stated there are MANY facets of Islam and
> many different "schools of thought." To lump ALL muslims together in
> one category is narrow-minded and shows you have no real understanding
> of Islam.
*therein* lies the issue !! Its very MUCH about impressions,
and "visual" cues and "instincts" etc... Nobody can possibly
get a calm, peacefull feeling when we see shit like a room
full of muslums chanting, and rocking back and forth chating
from a book - looks like a dam scene from the movie "Exorism"!
I mean, they don't even resepect their OWN religion - look at
how they dress. rocking back and forth real fast chanting from
books with their legs crosses in their SKANky bear feet, and
rolling forward to put their faces on some 'nasty' rug that
others are walking on with their nasty bare feet possbily
tracking in camel and dog dung ? dude, thats just barbaric.
Contrast that with other religions - who have the respect
to at least "dress up" - thats why we have that phrase:
"church cloths", or "church shoes"... Is this "shallow" ?
Well, maybe, but again, its the "impresions" thing...
Nobody gets an impression of comfort and safety watching
a room full of loons tring out for the next exorism movie.
They wanna see "happy things"! The vision of a gathering
of elderly folks dressed up in an urban church does *wonders*
for the soul!
> Did you know that Muslim's consider the Bible to be holy
> scripture, and Jesus Christ to be a holy person?
But they won't let him into Mecca/median, and want to
"march the Jews into the sea" - nice guy! ....
Sex Cow
Wizzard <wizza...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Sex Cow <no...@jose.com> wrote in message
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> > In article <v88ec4h...@corp.supernews.com>, cd
> > <luna...@ziplip.com> wrote:
> >
> > > You preach well about the peacefulness of Muslimism which ONLY occured
> > > about
> > > 2000 years ago. Muslims are hateful suicidal killers which have been
> > > terrorizing every society since page fucking TWO in the bible.
> >
> > You are wrong. As my post stated there are MANY facets of Islam and
> > many different "schools of thought." To lump ALL muslims together in
> > one category is narrow-minded and shows you have no real understanding
> > of Islam.
>
> *therein* lies the issue !! Its very MUCH about impressions,
> and "visual" cues and "instincts" etc... Nobody can possibly
> get a calm, peacefull feeling when we see shit like a room
> full of muslums chanting, and rocking back and forth chating
> from a book - looks like a dam scene from the movie "Exorism"!
You need to learn a bit of tolerance for people who are different that
yourself. The vision of white folks in polyester with bad toupees
preaching fire and brimstone, or hooded KKK'ers is not a "happy thing"
either, yet they are all part of christianity.
> I mean, they don't even resepect their OWN religion - look at
> how they dress. rocking back and forth real fast chanting from
> books with their legs crosses in their SKANky bear feet, and
> rolling forward to put their faces on some 'nasty' rug that
> others are walking on with their nasty bare feet possbily
> tracking in camel and dog dung ? dude, thats just barbaric.
That's devout religous practice in a 3rd world country. So your big
problem with Islam is that they look weird to you? That is bigotry in
it's truest sense.
> Contrast that with other religions - who have the respect
> to at least "dress up" - thats why we have that phrase:
> "church cloths", or "church shoes"... Is this "shallow" ?
> Well, maybe, but again, its the "impresions" thing...
> Nobody gets an impression of comfort and safety watching
> a room full of loons tring out for the next exorism movie.
> They wanna see "happy things"! The vision of a gathering
> of elderly folks dressed up in an urban church does *wonders*
> for the soul!
>
Have you ever seen a christian fundamentalist church where they use
snake handlers and speak in tounges, etc.? Islam may "creep you out"
but that's because you don't understand it. Condeming something you
don't understand as being "voo-doo" or the like is small-minded and
imperialistic.
>
> > Did you know that Muslim's consider the Bible to be holy
> > scripture, and Jesus Christ to be a holy person?
>
> But they won't let him into Mecca/median, and want to
> "march the Jews into the sea" - nice guy! ....
I can quote disturbing bible verse all day long if you really want me
to. The fact is that there is room for a wide variety of ideas and
ideals in this world, not just the western world.
Sex Cow
> Sex Cow <no...@jose.com> wrote in message
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> > In article <xZSga.525$Zo.4019@sccrnsc03>, Mr Wizzard <w...@hackery.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Don't believe me? - hell, just go read the Korean - plain as day !
> >
> > I took your advice. I have a Korean friend named Kim Park and I asked
> > him about the muslim religion and he just shrugged his shoulders.
> >
> > Seriously, I think you need to do some more research about the Koran
> > and the Muslim faith because you are *greatly* uninformed.
>
> Could be... All I can address is the "uneasyness", and fear that
> an average Amarican sees and feels about that rather dark, and
> mysterous religion. But first off, one of the main issues you
> need to remember is, that one should not have to "research"
> something like this in the first place if it were a benevalent
> obvious thing. i.e. in 40 some odd years of my life, I have
> YET to see a muslum "peace corps" like venue. Are there muslum
> charity events ? muslum food banks, soup kitchens, bake sales,
> fairs, keep America green charity events, etc. etc. ??
Yes, there are quite a few, in fact I went to a Muslim Community Center
bake sale 2 months ago and got some great cookies there. The fact is
that Muslims in the US make up a much smaller percentage than
christians, so you won't see as many in the community, and they are
also looked down upon by people like yourself so they tend to stick to
themselves. Is this surprising?
> Again, the issue being the lack of "apparent", and obvious goodness.
> It is the *obligation* of muslum supporters to "show" its safeness,
> and goodness if it exists. Do you not agree? In this nation, and
> around the world, you can always see religions in *general* doing
> peace corps, and charity things. Hell, on a Sunday, you can drive
> thru any populated surburban neighborhood and see all sorts of church
> stuff going on, from all KINDS of religions. Tons of that shit.
see my comments above on this issue.
> >
> > Islam is a peaceful religion,
>
> Bt they are NOT open to accepting OTHER religions like
> the OTHER religions are to THEM !! They do not ALLOW
> non-muslums into Mecca. Why is that ?? Thats a problem.
>
Most religions feel that everyone should be like them, this is nothing
new. The reason that they don't allow non-muslims in to mecca is
>
> > but how do Muslims rationalize committing
> > terrorist acts in the name of their faith? The word Islam means
> > surrender or submission. Five times a day, nearly a billion and a half
> > Muslims across the globe surrender themselves to god, to Allah.
>
> That wieird man, no getting away from that. Thats just plain
> mind control and "cult" like programing, plain and simple.
> Christianity teaches us to go out and spread the goodness and
> DO the charity work, bake sales, volunteer work, peace-corps etc,
> NOT "surrender" your mind to him. Thats "logically" just whacked.
>
I am sorry that you feel that peacful prayer and meditation is "weird."
It is no more "mind-control" than any religion. I personally find
communion to be barbaric- actually consuming the body and blood of your
god is disgusting IMO, yet I don't go around suggesting that we bomb
the Vatican for this reason. You need to come up with a better reason
to hate.
> >
> > In his revelations to the prophet Muhammed, Allah demanded that his
> > followers be just, compassionate, and tolerant.
>
> Is this "tolerance" displayed in Mecca ??, Saudia Aribia ?
>
>
> > So how do we reconcile
> > this ideal of faith with the terror in the name of faith attacks on
> > Sept. 11? How could followers of Islam create great works of art and
> > beauty like the Bamiyan Statues in the name of God -- only to destroy
> > the 2,000-year-old works, again, in the name of God?
>
> Ahh, see! - thats to "heavy" for anyone to handle.
> They need to lighten up this voo-doo like dark religion.
> Get a grip - the muslums need to "modernize" - maybe rent
> out a church hall (mosque hall) one Sunday afternoon, throw
> off that black garb, and hold a big bake sale, and dance,
> and "soialize" a little bit.
in other words, you want them to become more "white," correct?
I am sorry that you feel that an intelligent discussion in to the
history of Islam, and it's many facets is "too heavy." Perhaps you
should stop spouting off about how "weird" and "voo-doo-like" Muslims
are if you aren't willing to rationally discuss or consider any valid
points that are brought forth.
Sex Cow
<no...@jose.com> wrote:
> Most religions feel that everyone should be like them, this is nothing
> new. The reason that they don't allow non-muslims in to mecca is
not that you really care...
Mecca's main claim to spiritual fame - and it's a substantial one - is
as the prophet Mohammed's birth place. This makes the city the
spiritual centre of Islam and the direction towards which all Muslims
in the world orient their prayer mats.
At the age of 40 Mohammed received his first revelation from the Angel
Gabriel, and the revelations continued for the rest of his life. They
were written down in the Koran - literally 'recitation' - which is the
foundation of Islam. His teachings were not an immediate success and,
in 622, after ruffling a few establishment feathers over the Meccan
practices of worshipping wealth and idols, he got out of Mecca while he
could still sit upright on a camel.
One of the key pillars of Islam is to make the pilgrimage (Hajj) to
Mecca - every Muslim who can afford it is expected to undertake the
Hajj at least once in their lives. Nearly two million of the faithful
do it annually during Zuul-Hijja, the last month of the Muslim
calendar. Because the rewards for the pilgrimage are vast - the
forgiving of all past sins - many leave the trip until they are old and
frail.
The most holy site in Mecca is the al-Haram Mosque, and inside it sits
the Black Stone (Kabah). The Kabah is a large black monolith central to
worship during the Hajj, and it houses the rose stone, believed to be a
meteorite, that the faithful try to touch as they circumambulate the
Kabah.
While Muslims are expected to visit Mecca, you are correct that it's
strictly off-limits to non-Muslims. The most famous case of a
non-Muslim visiting Islam's crème de la crème of holy sites is that of
the British explorer Sir Richard Francis Burton, in 1853. He disguised
himself as an Afghan Muslim to get in, risking everything to do a
little on-the-spot reporting for his Personal Narrative of a Pilgrimage
to Al Madinah and Mecca. Today, though, short of converting to Islam,
there's no way non-Muslims can enter the capital of the Islamic world.
Sex Cow
> look at how they dress. rocking back and forth real fast chanting from
> books with their legs crosses in their SKANky bear feet, and
> rolling forward to put their faces on some 'nasty' rug that
> others are walking on with their nasty bare feet possbily
> tracking in camel and dog dung ? dude, thats just barbaric.
> Contrast that with other religions - who have the respect
> to at least "dress up" - thats why we have that phrase:
> "church cloths", or "church shoes"... Is this "shallow" ?
You just passed the ZKT!
Here again you show absolutely ZERO knowledge of Muslims. Remember how
I told you they pray 5 times a day? Guess what they do before they
pray?
they *wash* their feet.
Now you can get that image out of your head. I hope this makes you
feel better. But, I doubt it does- I am sure you find washing your
feet 5 times a day "voo-doo" or "barbaric."
Mr Wizzard
> In article <b77939f6.03032...@posting.google.com>, Mr
> Wizzard <wizza...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Sex Cow <no...@jose.com> wrote in message
> > news:<280320030726155163%no...@jose.com>...
> > > In article <v88ec4h...@corp.supernews.com>, cd
> > > <luna...@ziplip.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > You preach well about the peacefulness of Muslimism which ONLY occured
> > > > about
> > > > 2000 years ago. Muslims are hateful suicidal killers which have been
> > > > terrorizing every society since page fucking TWO in the bible.
> > >
> > > You are wrong. As my post stated there are MANY facets of Islam and
> > > many different "schools of thought." To lump ALL muslims together in
> > > one category is narrow-minded and shows you have no real understanding
> > > of Islam.
> >
> > *therein* lies the issue !! Its very MUCH about impressions,
> > and "visual" cues and "instincts" etc... Nobody can possibly
> > get a calm, peacefull feeling when we see shit like a room
> > full of muslums chanting, and rocking back and forth chating
> > from a book - looks like a dam scene from the movie "Exorism"!
>
> You need to learn a bit of tolerance for people who are different that
> yourself. The vision of white folks in polyester with bad toupees
> preaching fire and brimstone, or hooded KKK'ers is not a "happy thing"
> either, yet they are all part of christianity.
I didn't say a "part of anything" - fact is, mainstream America
doesn't SEE that shit in everyday suburban life.
>
> > I mean, they don't even resepect their OWN religion - look at
> > how they dress. rocking back and forth real fast chanting from
> > books with their legs crosses in their SKANky bear feet, and
> > rolling forward to put their faces on some 'nasty' rug that
> > others are walking on with their nasty bare feet possbily
> > tracking in camel and dog dung ? dude, thats just barbaric.
>
> That's devout religous practice in a 3rd world country. So your big
> problem with Islam is that they look weird to you?
Well DUH !! Anything that LOOKS scary and voo-dooy IS more than
likely to BE scary.
> That is bigotry in it's truest sense.
Call it what the fuck you want! - I'm saying that when people
"see" shit that LOOKS non-inviting and dark, drab, and scary,
they feel scared and apprenhensive (sp?) about the situation.
You can't POSSIBLY expect a litte girl to walk into a voo-doo
session of theirs when they are rocking back and forth and heads
spinning around like a fuck top, and have her say: "excuse me
kind sir, would you like to buy some girl scout cookies?"
How realistic is THAT ??? That little girls gonna BEAT FEET !
>
> > Contrast that with other religions - who have the respect
> > to at least "dress up" - thats why we have that phrase:
> > "church cloths", or "church shoes"... Is this "shallow" ?
> > Well, maybe, but again, its the "impresions" thing...
> > Nobody gets an impression of comfort and safety watching
> > a room full of loons tring out for the next exorism movie.
> > They wanna see "happy things"! The vision of a gathering
> > of elderly folks dressed up in an urban church does *wonders*
> > for the soul!
> >
> Have you ever seen a christian fundamentalist church where they use
> snake handlers and speak in tounges, etc.?
No, - that shit doesn't happen in "mainstream America".
> Islam may "creep you out" but that's because you don't understand it.
Thats bullshit (and you know it). Anything that LOOKS creepy should'nt
require one to supress their own NATURAL fears. Are you FORCING this
shit on me here ?? Sure sounds like it. Look, no one is suggesting
that this shit *not* be allowed to go on whereever it does, all I'm
saying is that *THEY* need to understnad *US* and WHY they look/act
so creepy! And if THEY want to be accepted by US, then THEY are the
ones who need to un-creepify that whole thing. We as humans "accociate"
good things with good experiences and make "associations", that is
what we do.
> Condeming something you
> don't understand as being "voo-doo" or the like is small-minded and
> imperialistic.
Call it what the fuck you want dude!! - don't be laying no guilt
trip on me your stupid anti-establishment fuck. Remember, it is
not US that are complaining about them, it is THEY and those who
support them like YOU that are complaining that WE don't find THEIR
religious chanting sessions as non-thrething, and welcoming and safe.
>
> >
> > > Did you know that Muslim's consider the Bible to be holy
> > > scripture, and Jesus Christ to be a holy person?
> >
> > But they won't let him into Mecca/median, and want to
> > "march the Jews into the sea" - nice guy! ....
>
> I can quote disturbing bible verse all day long if you really want me
> to. The fact is that there is room for a wide variety of ideas and
> ideals in this world, not just the western world.
So if I walk into a mosque that is "in session" and sit in the
back row, how will this be received ?
Mr Wizzard
Surprising? - are you being sarcastic here?
And yeah!, I AM surprized, and thats my point!
it is *since* their practices are in the minority, AND
the fact that its so "ODD" and non-inviting looking is
WHY there is such a natural fear and aprehension about it.
And NO!, this onus is *NOT* on us to seek this out as
some research project to see if its safe or not - THEY,
and the promotors of this (such as yourself) have the
responsibility to ease our fears and work harder at it.
Ita be *different* if their religious practices were
even remotely "similar" to what mainstream America knows.
>
> > Again, the issue being the lack of "apparent", and obvious goodness.
> > It is the *obligation* of muslum supporters to "show" its safeness,
> > and goodness if it exists. Do you not agree? In this nation, and
> > around the world, you can always see religions in *general* doing
> > peace corps, and charity things. Hell, on a Sunday, you can drive
> > thru any populated surburban neighborhood and see all sorts of church
> > stuff going on, from all KINDS of religions. Tons of that shit.
>
> see my comments above on this issue.
>
> > >
> > > Islam is a peaceful religion,
> >
> > Bt they are NOT open to accepting OTHER religions like
> > the OTHER religions are to THEM !! They do not ALLOW
> > non-muslums into Mecca. Why is that ?? Thats a problem.
> >
>
> Most religions feel that everyone should be like them, this is nothing
> new.
Bullshit. Anyone can, (and do) walk into a Catholic church,
a Prespatarian (sp?) church, a methodist church and sit right
down - they are all welcome. Can I do that in a Mosque ?
> The reason that they don't allow non-muslims in to mecca is
is what ??
>
> >
> > > but how do Muslims rationalize committing
> > > terrorist acts in the name of their faith? The word Islam means
> > > surrender or submission. Five times a day, nearly a billion and a half
> > > Muslims across the globe surrender themselves to god, to Allah.
> >
> > That wieird man, no getting away from that. Thats just plain
> > mind control and "cult" like programing, plain and simple.
> > Christianity teaches us to go out and spread the goodness and
> > DO the charity work, bake sales, volunteer work, peace-corps etc,
> > NOT "surrender" your mind to him. Thats "logically" just whacked.
> >
>
> I am sorry that you feel that peacful prayer and meditation is "weird."
Don't be sorry dude... If you want our "acceptance" (as it appears
that you do), then YOU guys have to show ME that it is safe, warm,
welcoming, and plesant! Not ME, but *YOU* !!!
> It is no more "mind-control" than any religion. I personally find
> communion to be barbaric- actually consuming the body and blood of your
> god is disgusting IMO, yet I don't go around suggesting that we bomb
> the Vatican for this reason.
And as I've said, no one is suggesting bombing muslum churches.
> You need to come up with a better reason to hate.
I am not "hate"-ing anything! Don't go twisting the actual
issue at hand here! - because that is whacked, and will ONLY
undermine your own cause here. Ok ?
See, thats fucking bullshit! The *ISSUE* here is *YOUR* whining
and snibbling about the lack of acceptance about something that
WE see as dark, voo-doo-ish, scary, and non-inviting, but yet
YOU somehow throw this back on US as being this, that, or the
other because YOU haven't done due-dilagence in SHOWING us that
this stuff actually *is* safe, warm, welcoming, inviting and
everything else that you say it is. This all reminds me of
that whole gay thing... *they* are mad as *US* because WE
don't accept something that is NOT normal and mainstream.
I'm sorry, but us normal mainstreamers have rights TOO you know !!
Mr Wizzard
> In article <280320031708200443%no...@jose.com>, Sex Cow
> <no...@jose.com> wrote:
> , you are correct that it's strictly off-limits to non-Muslims.
...And this is the "religious tolerance" that you speek of ??
Do you see my POINT??
> there's no way non-Muslims can enter the capital of the Islamic world.
...and you call this "religious tolerance" huh?. See, not only
does this stuff *NOT* have religious tolerance, (which in itSELF
is lame), but then you turn around and fucking LIE about it.
(sorry about swearing), but look it, all we're asking YOU to
do is to "evaluate" what I am saying to you. There is NO one
here saying you should NOT do the voo-doo shit that you do, or
*believe* the crap that you do, but what I *AM* saying to you
is this: YOU have to bear the responsibility for the fear,
missunderstanding, and snears that you, or this thing generates.
*YOU* have the moral obligation to ACCEPT that you *ARE*
different, and that you may not always gain the acceptance
that a mainstream practice affords. You need to be able
to look me square in the face and say: "Yea, I *DO* realize
that what we do IS in fact different, and scary looking,
and I *UNDERSTAND* that your blonde-haired, blue-eyed
white American kids would be scared to *death* to walk
into a voo-doo session BUT, I can take the time to work
extra hard to show you that what we do is safe, and welcoming."
If you sir, can do *that*, you would be able to do MORE
in convincing us that this thing is not all the bad things
that we are so scared of.
Mr Wizzard
> In article <b77939f6.03032...@posting.google.com>, Mr
> Wizzard <wizza...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > I mean, they don't even resepect their OWN religion - look at
> > how they dress. rocking back and forth real fast chanting from
> > books with their legs crosses in their SKANky bear feet, and
> > rolling forward to put their faces on some 'nasty' rug that
> > others are walking on with their nasty bare feet possbily
> > tracking in camel and dog dung ? dude, thats just barbaric.
>
> That's devout religous practice in a 3rd world country. So your big
> problem with Islam is that they look weird to you? That is bigotry in
> it's truest sense.
Ok, since you made a partial attempt to make a partial contrast,
I do feel that you deserve some credit here. Which makes partial
segway to the overall sailent point I've been tring to make.
In any event, to your point about the "devout" 3rd world thing...
(I left you a huge opening, but you didn't make an attempt)
So am I to assume that what you are saying is that mainstream
islamics don't practice in the fashion that I so colorfully
outlined above? If so, then *why* is it that these are the
images that I am receiving ?? I channel surf SO much, that
I got the +/- wore off my clicker thing, and these are the images
I am getting. Is it because of all the latest Taliban thing
and islamic fanaticism of late? On Sundays, I channel surf
like a big dog, and see every religious thing under the sun,
but I never see any of this civilized muslum stuff that you
describe. Am I missing something? Are we interested in
learning about this? well, I can only speak for myself, and
all I can tell you is, that I'm interested only to the degree
that YOU are willing to take the time to lay it all out for
us on "your" time. Basically, YOU have to take the time to
"sell" this to US. That would be like toothpaste company "xyz"
tring to sue the government for lack of sales, when they never
took the time to make one single TV or newspaper ad.
cd
> In article <280320031708200443%no...@jose.com>, Sex Cow
> <no...@jose.com> wrote:
>
> > Most religions feel that everyone should be like them, this is nothing
> > new. The reason that they don't allow non-muslims in to mecca is
>
> not that you really care...
>
> Mecca's main claim to spiritual fame - and it's a substantial one - is
> as the prophet Mohammed's birth place. This makes the city the
> spiritual centre of Islam and the direction towards which all Muslims
> in the world orient their prayer mats.
Question: What if you're located a little further east than the birthplace
of Mohammed? Do ya pray west again?
>
> At the age of 40 Mohammed received his first revelation from the Angel
> Gabriel, and the revelations continued for the rest of his life. They
> were written down in the Koran - literally 'recitation' - which is the
> foundation of Islam. His teachings were not an immediate success and,
> in 622, after ruffling a few establishment feathers over the Meccan
> practices of worshipping wealth and idols, he got out of Mecca while he
> could still sit upright on a camel.
>
> One of the key pillars of Islam is to make the pilgrimage (Hajj) to
> Mecca - every Muslim who can afford it is expected to undertake the
> Hajj at least once in their lives. Nearly two million of the faithful
> do it annually during Zuul-Hijja, the last month of the Muslim
> calendar. Because the rewards for the pilgrimage are vast - the
> forgiving of all past sins - many leave the trip until they are old and
> frail.
>
> The most holy site in Mecca is the al-Haram Mosque, and inside it sits
> the Black Stone (Kabah). The Kabah is a large black monolith central to
> worship during the Hajj, and it houses the rose stone, believed to be a
> meteorite, that the faithful try to touch as they circumambulate the
> Kabah.
Pray to a black stone eh? Doesnt this sound like a toy religion praying to
rocks, trees, etc?
Sex Cow
HUH? neither did I.. are you talking to me or responding to a different
post?
> - fact is, mainstream America
> doesn't SEE that shit in everyday suburban life.
Are you seriously denying that there are white folks in polyester with
bad toupees preaching fire and brimstone, or hooded KKK'ers in America?
The "christian coalition" is also a scary bunch of folks, IMO.
> > > I mean, they don't even resepect their OWN religion - look at
> > > how they dress. rocking back and forth real fast chanting from
> > > books with their legs crosses in their SKANky bear feet, and
> > > rolling forward to put their faces on some 'nasty' rug that
> > > others are walking on with their nasty bare feet possbily
> > > tracking in camel and dog dung ? dude, thats just barbaric.
> >
> > That's devout religous practice in a 3rd world country. So your big
> > problem with Islam is that they look weird to you?
>
> Well DUH !! Anything that LOOKS scary and voo-dooy IS more than
> likely to BE scary.
Well, thanks for proving just how ignorant shallow and narrow-minded
you realy are once and for all.
> > That is bigotry in it's truest sense.
>
> Call it what the fuck you want!
so you wear that title proudly I see...
> I'm saying that when people
> "see" shit that LOOKS non-inviting and dark, drab, and scary,
> they feel scared and apprenhensive (sp?)
I don't see my muslim friends as "non-inviting, dark drab and scary,"
in fact they are some of the nicest and most peaceful people that I
know. BTW- you should put a (sp?) after every other word in your
posts...why start now?
> about the situation.
> You can't POSSIBLY expect a litte girl to walk into a voo-doo
> session of theirs when they are rocking back and forth and heads
> spinning around like a fuck top,
gee... what a _lovely_ description of a fire & brimstone Baptist
service.
> and have her say: "excuse me
> kind sir, would you like to buy some girl scout cookies?"
> How realistic is THAT ??? That little girls gonna BEAT FEET !
Maybe *your* little girl would react that way to anything different,
but not mine, and none any of *my* non-muslim friends little girls
would feel that way either. Maybe that's because I don't associate
with racists.
> > > Contrast that with other religions - who have the respect
> > > to at least "dress up" - thats why we have that phrase:
> > > "church cloths", or "church shoes"... Is this "shallow" ?
> > > Well, maybe, but again, its the "impresions" thing...
> > > Nobody gets an impression of comfort and safety watching
> > > a room full of loons tring out for the next exorism movie.
> > > They wanna see "happy things"! The vision of a gathering
> > > of elderly folks dressed up in an urban church does *wonders*
> > > for the soul!
> > >
>
> > Have you ever seen a christian fundamentalist church where they use
> > snake handlers and speak in tounges, etc.?
>
> No, - that shit doesn't happen in "mainstream America".
Which means it isn't in YOUR neighborhood, but are you seriously
denying that there are those type of people in America?
>
> > Islam may "creep you out" but that's because you don't understand it.
>
> Thats bullshit (and you know it).
No, I don't "know it." You have shown no factual knowledge about Islam
or Mohammed - Muslims just "creep you out" simply because they are
different. You stated that yourself. When I posted a lengthy history
and discussion of Islam, and it's many facets, etc., you chose not to
read it, or respond to any of the historical facts that I mentioned
because you couldn't wrap your brain around any of the concepts I put
forth. I guess them words was too big for ya.
> Anything that LOOKS creepy should'nt
> require one to supress their own NATURAL fears.
Perhaps you shouldn't fear people simply because they are different
from you.
> Are you FORCING this
> shit on me here ?? Sure sounds like it.
Huh? Now you are *really* talking like a fruitcake.
> Look, no one is suggesting
> that this shit *not* be allowed to go on whereever it does,
Well, *you* sure did when you said "Muslims are hateful suicidal
killers which have been terrorizing every society since page fucking
TWO in the bible." and "This shit turns my crank - I *love* to see this
steel rain, love to see the fire ROAR, and I dam-near get WOOD seeing
this shit get cramed down the throughts of the anti-American
muslim-types. Unreal, this is GREAT!" and "Oil is MUCH more important
in out society than a bunch of brain-washed Voo-Doo muslim rag heads,
and PERSONALLY, I wanna see Saddam "water the trees of Iraq with the
blood of Iraqi's". So YEAH, in a way, it WILL be "blood for oil" - Oil
for US, and water for the trees for HIM !!"
Your words speak volumes about your racist and bigoted inner feelings.
> all I'm
> saying is that *THEY* need to understnad *US* and WHY they look/act
> so creepy! And if THEY want to be accepted by US, then THEY are the
> ones who need to un-creepify that whole thing.
HUH? I thought you were going off the deep end before, but now you have
taken a deeper plunge off the edge of reality. WTF are you talking
about?
> We as humans "accociate"
> good things with good experiences and make "associations", that is
> what we do.
Yes.. that is true. How does this relate to the question at hand? Are
you saying that everything derived from christianity is fluffy and
nice? If so, I guess you are a fan of Jim Jones.
> > Condeming something you
> > don't understand as being "voo-doo" or the like is small-minded and
> > imperialistic.
>
> Call it what the fuck you want dude!!
OK- I will call it small-minded racist spewage.
> - don't be laying no guilt
> trip on me your stupid anti-establishment fuck.
*YOU* are anti-establishment. Most people in the US (hopefully) have
at least attempted to leave the racist trappings behind, you on the
otherhand wallow in it. It really amazes me that there are people in
this country that actually "think" (for the lack of a better word) the
way that you do and are still able to drink a glass fo water without
drowning.
> Remember, it is
> not US that are complaining about them,
Hmm, I could have sworn you complained at great length about the
"voo-doo" and the chanting, etc.. Let me check your post a second...
yep you sure did.
> it is THEY and those who
> support them like YOU
I support the US troops 1000000% and I will fight anyone who says
otherwise! At the same time I can also appreciate the history of Islam
vs. Christianity and am able to look beyond myself to see how other
countries percieve the US. I don't have to agree with everyone or
anyone, but it is a necessity to understand WHY people think the way
they do.
> that are complaining that WE don't find THEIR
> religious chanting sessions as non-thrething, and welcoming and safe.
There ya go again... all scaredey poo by the big bad praying Muslim.
Poor baby.
> > > > Did you know that Muslim's consider the Bible to be holy
> > > > scripture, and Jesus Christ to be a holy person?
> > >
> > > But they won't let him into Mecca/median, and want to
> > > "march the Jews into the sea" - nice guy! ....
> >
> > I can quote disturbing bible verse all day long if you really want me
> > to. The fact is that there is room for a wide variety of ideas and
> > ideals in this world, not just the western world.
>
> So if I walk into a mosque that is "in session" and sit in the
> back row, how will this be received ?
The local Muslim Community Center (which is as close as we have to a
mosque locally) welcomes new visitors and even has a big sign out
front encouraging people to visit. BTW, how well do you think a turban
wearing muslim would be accepted at a fire & brimstone southern church?
Sex Cow
> Sex Cow <no...@jose.com> wrote in message
> news:<280320031653085768%no...@jose.com>...
> > In article <b77939f6.03032...@posting.google.com>, Mr
> > Wizzard <wizza...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> So am I to assume that what you are saying is that mainstream
> islamics don't practice in the fashion that I so colorfully
> outlined above? If so, then *why* is it that these are the
> images that I am receiving ??
because that's how your racist mind percieves those images.
> I channel surf SO much, that
> I got the +/- wore off my clicker thing, and these are the images
> I am getting. Is it because of all the latest Taliban thing
> and islamic fanaticism of late? On Sundays, I channel surf
> like a big dog, and see every religious thing under the sun,
> but I never see any of this civilized muslum stuff that you
> describe.
I agree that western media does an excellent job of portraying the
Muslim as the villian. In all of your surfing do you watch Arabic TV?
Can you understand Arabic? Doubtful.
> Am I missing something? Are we interested in
> learning about this? well, I can only speak for myself, and
> all I can tell you is, that I'm interested only to the degree
> that YOU are willing to take the time to lay it all out for
> us on "your" time.
Then why did you choose to ignore my post with the historical info,
etc.? Instead you just copped out saying that there were "too many
words" and scary ideas for you, etc..
> Basically, YOU have to take the time to
> "sell" this to US.
HUH? Why do *I* have to do that?
> That would be like toothpaste company "xyz"
> tring to sue the government for lack of sales, when they never
> took the time to make one single TV or newspaper ad.
Wow- that is a really crappy analysis of the problems in our society as
they relate to the understanding of Islam. I have attempted to
understand your logic, but you really lost me there.
Sex Cow
> Sex Cow <no...@jose.com> wrote in message
> news:<280320031719330813%no...@jose.com>...
>
> > In article <280320031708200443%no...@jose.com>, Sex Cow
> > <no...@jose.com> wrote:
>
>
> > , you are correct that it's strictly off-limits to non-Muslims.
>
> ...And this is the "religious tolerance" that you speek of ??
> Do you see my POINT??
Nice job of replying to 2 lines in a 43 line post. I guess the rest
was just too much for you to understand, or them words was too big
again. As far as religous tolerance goes you have shown that you have
shown no real interest in furthering any "religous tolerance" in your
previous racist and bigoted posts.
>
>
> > there's no way non-Muslims can enter the capital of the Islamic world.
>
> ...and you call this "religious tolerance" huh?. See, not only
> does this stuff *NOT* have religious tolerance, (which in itSELF
> is lame), but then you turn around and fucking LIE about it.
How did I *LIE* ? please point out where I *LIED* about anything. Just
because you choose not to see beyond yourself doesn't mean I am a liar,
it just means you are narrow-minded.
>
> (sorry about swearing), but look it, all we're asking YOU to
> do is to "evaluate" what I am saying to you.
I have evaluated every word so far, and I must honestly say that you
are either one of the biggest bullshitters I have ever met online, or
one of the biggest racists.
> There is NO one
> here saying you should NOT do the voo-doo shit that you do, or
> *believe* the crap that you do,
No- you just wanna kill those people that feel differently so it can
"give you wood." You have some strange necrophiliac type sexual
perversions there.
> but what I *AM* saying to you
> is this: YOU have to bear the responsibility for the fear,
> missunderstanding, and snears that you, or this thing generates.
And nobody else should bear any responsibility whatsoever... right?
> *YOU* have the moral obligation to ACCEPT that you *ARE*
> different, and that you may not always gain the acceptance
> that a mainstream practice affords.
Yes, the Universal Life Church is not mainstream, I'll give you that.
> You need to be able
> to look me square in the face and say: "Yea, I *DO* realize
> that what we do IS in fact different, and scary looking,
> and I *UNDERSTAND* that your blonde-haired, blue-eyed
> white American kids would be scared to *death* to walk
> into a voo-doo session BUT, I can take the time to work
> extra hard to show you that what we do is safe, and welcoming."
> If you sir, can do *that*, you would be able to do MORE
> in convincing us that this thing is not all the bad things
> that we are so scared of.
We obviously live in very different worlds, thankfully.
Sex Cow
> Pray to a black stone eh? Doesnt this sound like a toy religion praying to
> rocks, trees, etc?
It's just as crazy as praying to the image of a crucified man on a
cross.
Sex Cow
glad to enlighten you then.
> it is *since* their practices are in the minority, AND
> the fact that its so "ODD" and non-inviting looking is
> WHY there is such a natural fear and aprehension about it.
what you call "natural fear" I call narrow-minded racism.
> And NO!, this onus is *NOT* on us to seek this out as
> some research project to see if its safe or not - THEY,
> and the promotors of this (such as yourself) have the
> responsibility to ease our fears and work harder at it.
> Ita be *different* if their religious practices were
> even remotely "similar" to what mainstream America knows.
Don't worry.. that big bad praying Muslim won't hurt you as long as you
stick close to your Mommy.
> >
> > > Again, the issue being the lack of "apparent", and obvious goodness.
> > > It is the *obligation* of muslum supporters to "show" its safeness,
> > > and goodness if it exists. Do you not agree? In this nation, and
> > > around the world, you can always see religions in *general* doing
> > > peace corps, and charity things. Hell, on a Sunday, you can drive
> > > thru any populated surburban neighborhood and see all sorts of church
> > > stuff going on, from all KINDS of religions. Tons of that shit.
> >
> > see my comments above on this issue.
> >
> > > >
> > > > Islam is a peaceful religion,
> > >
> > > Bt they are NOT open to accepting OTHER religions like
> > > the OTHER religions are to THEM !! They do not ALLOW
> > > non-muslums into Mecca. Why is that ?? Thats a problem.
> > >
> >
> > Most religions feel that everyone should be like them, this is nothing
> > new.
>
> Bullshit. Anyone can, (and do) walk into a Catholic church,
> a Prespatarian (sp?) church, a methodist church and sit right
> down - they are all welcome. Can I do that in a Mosque ?
You can in our local Muslim Center- that's all I know. If you are
really interested in going to one I am sure that they would welcome you
as well.
> > You need to come up with a better reason to hate.
>
> I am not "hate"-ing anything! Don't go twisting the actual
> issue at hand here! - because that is whacked, and will ONLY
> undermine your own cause here. Ok ?
Hmm.. do you want me to repost your *hateful* remarks here again so I
can rub your nose in them? refer to my other posts if that's what you
are looking for.
> > I am sorry that you feel that an intelligent discussion in to the
> > history of Islam, and it's many facets is "too heavy." Perhaps you
> > should stop spouting off about how "weird" and "voo-doo-like" Muslims
> > are if you aren't willing to rationally discuss or consider any valid
> > points that are brought forth.
>
> See, thats fucking bullshit!
Here is a quote from you in regards to the post I mentioned:
"And on the rest of this stuff below that I just cut out..
Know what, no offence, but thats a little "too much" text,
and reading etc, I had to cut this out. Thats all "too heavy",
it makes peoples "brain hurt" to have to wade thru all of that."
> The *ISSUE* here is *YOUR* whining
> and snibbling about the lack of acceptance about something that
> WE see as dark, voo-doo-ish, scary, and non-inviting, but yet
> YOU somehow throw this back on US as being this, that, or the
> other because YOU haven't done due-dilagence in SHOWING us that
> this stuff actually *is* safe, warm, welcoming, inviting and
> everything else that you say it is. This all reminds me of
> that whole gay thing... *they* are mad as *US* because WE
> don't accept something that is NOT normal and mainstream.
> I'm sorry, but us normal mainstreamers have rights TOO you know !!
So you are defing *yourself* as a "normal mainstreamer"? That is a
fucking scary thought. I certainly hope that you are in the minority,
and judging from all of the "support" you have received so far I tend
to think that is true.
Sex Cow
<no...@jose.com> wrote:
FYI- the Ka 恵ah has it's roots in the Old Testament. This black stone
is said to have been given to Ishmael by the angel Gabriel, and set
into the building by Abraham's own hands. This is also the stone
referred to in Genesis 28:10-35:3; the stone that Jacob rested his head
upon and had a dream of a stairway to Heaven and a communication with
God. This kooky wacky "toy religion" stone was also anointed by Jacob.
cd
etc DO NOT suicide bomb over a fuckin small strip of land. Same goes for
flying planes into buildings. Muslims are (for lack of a better word)
brainwashed, mostly over politics but using a religious crutch of weak
mindedness. The Quran doesnt speak of peace, it says that non-believers of
THEIR religion is the devil and that they'll all perish because of this.
Their is no bigger cult of violence and corruption than that of muslimism.
And quite frankly, Atheists (like myself) DO NOT commit acts of terrorism.
NOW who's theological opinion is the most peaceful?? Well, mine of course.
"Sex Cow" <no...@jose.com> wrote in message
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Mr Wizzard
And that is exactally the clash that will continue to
cause us to target and kill muslums that think like this.
Your inference here is that you should have some sort of
'right of passage', and that we are wrong for our 'natural'
fears that are caused by YOUR practices. Won't fly....
Further, and to shed a bit more light on this, we here
*fully* understand your fanaticism. The muslum culture
is designed into it, this 'ethnic cleansing' element that
provides an environment whereby you never have had to deal
with tolerance, and diversity, thus why you fundamentally
don't understand it. i.e., islam is such that it is
state sponsered so that ALL people are forced to be one,
so that it *becomes* the norm in your society such that
anyone NOT one, looks "out of the norm" much as you guys
look out of the norm to us. The difference being, since
we *do* have a fair amount of religious diversity, we
certainly "understand" what is normal dirvisity/acceptance,
which makes us even more aware of the fanatic, abombination
such as what you believe - i.e. we are much aware of it.
>
> > And NO!, this onus is *NOT* on us to seek this out as
> > some research project to see if its safe or not - THEY,
> > and the promotors of this (such as yourself) have the
> > responsibility to ease our fears and work harder at it.
> > Ita be *different* if their religious practices were
> > even remotely "similar" to what mainstream America knows.
>
> Don't worry.. that big bad praying Muslim won't hurt you as long as you
> stick close to your Mommy.
See, here I am tring to be serious and explain how we think,
and you make fun of it. But thats all well and good, you
take your sucide belts, and we'll take our "stuff", and we'll
meet out in the battle field. whether we like it or not, what
will take place on the battle field is pure, unadulterated
Darwinism. We in the West certainly understand that no one
group should dominate the world, thus we understand tollerance
and acceptance. Much like Hitler and the 3rd rieght didn't
succeed, neither will your islamic muslumism. (any bets here ?)
Yup. Much like what YOU are attempting to defend, is what
I am tring to defend. Question: do you guys bring your
guns to your muslum churches ?
> I certainly hope that you are in the minority,
> and judging from all of the "support" you have received so far I tend
> to think that is true.
hehe - watch out for those "attempts at mind control" of yours,
since you have no way of know whether or not its working for
ya, it could backfire !
Mr Wizzard
> well, America's only contention is that christians, catholics, methodists,
> etc DO NOT suicide bomb over a fuckin small strip of land. Same goes for
> flying planes into buildings. Muslims are (for lack of a better word)
> brainwashed, mostly over politics but using a religious crutch of weak
> mindedness. The Quran doesnt speak of peace, it says that non-believers of
> THEIR religion is the devil and that they'll all perish because of this.
>
> Their is no bigger cult of violence and corruption than that of muslimism.
> And quite frankly, Atheists (like myself) DO NOT commit acts of terrorism.
> NOW who's theological opinion is the most peaceful?? Well, mine of course.
>
Ah!! - Dood!!... Man, you surprize me. I was just getting ready
to sign off, and I run into THIS. And geesus! - I could *NOT have
said this ANY better ! You nailed this one perfectly. Reference,
a I reply to a post I *just* made right above this post, this is
a wonderfully accurate responce. Thanks!
cd
I think you and I totally closed shop on this muslim simpleton.
I dare, I DARE anyone else to dispute this topic with me and Mr Wizzard. I
think we've won this one.
"Mr Wizzard" <wizza...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Sex Cow
<luna...@ziplip.com> wrote:
> thats it Mr Wizzard.
> I think you and I totally closed shop on this muslim simpleton.
> I dare, I DARE anyone else to dispute this topic with me and Mr Wizzard. I
> think we've won this one.
You won nothing, except for the chance to prove to the group that you
are both racist bigots. For one thing, since I am not opposed to
Muslims as a people you both assumed that I am a Muslim, even when I
restated that I am not, and even mentioned another denimination. I
have friends who are Muslim, yet I am not a Muslim. Is that hard for
you to understand? I would be willing to bet that it is, just as you
find it hard to believe that I all Muslims aren't anti-american. I am
sure you have nothing but redneck white friends (people you have over
to your house, etc., not people you see at work). I am done with this
subject because you and Wizzard have proven over and over again that
you are small-minded racist bigots. You are both opposed to ALL
muslims, which means you are opposed to many good men and women of the
armed services:
http://tinyurl.com/8frq
http://tinyurl.com/8frv
http://tinyurl.com/8frr
http://tinyurl.com/8frs
which means you don't support ALL of the troops, and that proves you
don't have an open mind, and there is no need to discuss anything at
all with anyone that is so close-minded and unpatriotic. I know- you
are now gonna mention the grenade attack, and point to the actions of
ONE person to condemn many patriotic honest American Muslims...right?
I think that you and Wizzard should go put on your white robes and go
burn a cross somewhere. You are both pathetic excuses for human
beings, and I am ashamed to be on the same planet as the both of you.
~~NortH~~
truely take offense to any and all racist slurs, slanders and remarks.
we all have our beliefs, none of which is right or wrong.... but works for
us and fills the hole we need filled.
because a Muslim was a terrorist, does NOT MAKE ALL muslims terrorists...
all these people doing the bashing should at the very least take the time to
read the Koran and have at least a semblance of knowledge before being
allowed to post.
Muslims are one of the kindest, most caring peoples in the world.
If a racist game is what you want to play.... then would not Timothy McVeigh
make *americans or christians* terrorsits?
or, fuck it - the unabomber?
you can NOT paint the world with a *religious* brush...... it is the
person.... NOT the religion!
~~NortH~~
"Sex Cow" <no...@jose.com> wrote in message
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Sex Cow
<youkno...@home.dontya.com> wrote:
> Although i disagree STRONGLY with all this war stuff being posted here - i
> truely take offense to any and all racist slurs, slanders and remarks.
>
> we all have our beliefs, none of which is right or wrong.... but works for
> us and fills the hole we need filled.
>
> because a Muslim was a terrorist, does NOT MAKE ALL muslims terrorists...
>
> all these people doing the bashing should at the very least take the time to
> read the Koran and have at least a semblance of knowledge before being
> allowed to post.
>
> Muslims are one of the kindest, most caring peoples in the world.
>
> If a racist game is what you want to play.... then would not Timothy McVeigh
> make *americans or christians* terrorsits?
>
> or, fuck it - the unabomber?
>
>
> you can NOT paint the world with a *religious* brush...... it is the
> person.... NOT the religion!
>
>
> ~~NortH~~
Well said! I am done arguing with Archie Bunker (aka Mr. Pissard) and
his henchmen/sockpuppets. They are all dangerously stupid, and I know
that there is no point in arguing with a bigoted racist who is willing
to kill someone because of their religion, which goes against many of
the basic tenents of the democracy in which we live. That idea is
extremely un-american in it's idealism, yet they run around waving the
flag in the belief that they are oh so patriotic. They don't even
understand what freedoms this country is based on! I guess *freedom*
*of* *religion* means the freedom to be a christian in their minds, and
especially not of an Islamic faith or you deserve to be _shot_ . This
kind of thinking literally makes me want to puke.
I really can't say it any better than this:
http://tinyurl.com/8frr
---
E-DUBYA-Q
>Well said! I am done arguing with Archie Bunker (aka Mr. Pissard) and
>his henchmen/sockpuppets. They are all dangerously stupid, and I know
>that there is no point in arguing with a bigoted racist who is willing
>to kill someone because of their religion, which goes against many of
>the basic tenents of the democracy in which we live. That idea is
>extremely un-american in it's idealism, yet they run around waving the
>flag in the belief that they are oh so patriotic. They don't even
>understand what freedoms this country is based on! I guess *freedom*
>*of* *religion* means the freedom to be a christian in their minds, and
>especially not of an Islamic faith or you deserve to be _shot_ . This
>kind of thinking literally makes me want to puke.
>
>I really can't say it any better than this:
>http://tinyurl.com/8frr
>
>---
>
>http://tinyurl.com/35h5
What a blowhard bunch of BS posted by NortH...
Remember, this is the little boy who turns around and attacks a man's
wife and daughter in the most vile, perverted and disgustingly
pathetic ways imaginable, simply because he doesn't like the man...
Like I said before... It's like Saddam Hussein giving a lecture on
compassion. He may know the right words to say, but you KNOW he is
just a scumbag who talks the talk but hasn't a CLUE about the walk...
EQ
Bad_...@karma.net
>
>Remember, this is the little boy who turns around and attacks a man's
>wife and daughter in the most vile, perverted and disgustingly
>pathetic ways imaginable, simply because he doesn't like the man...
>
Like you with Ralph Hunt?
cd
Afganistan, etc? They ALL dispise America and her people. They concider
us to be disciples of Satan.
And this mindless mentality is spilling over to our black muslims here, ie.
DC sniper, grenade roller Akbar, etc.
So how can ya say that muslims like America? On what literature do you base
this false permise??
<Bad_...@karma.net> wrote in message
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Mr Wizzard
> find it hard to believe that I all Muslims aren't anti-american.
Documented fact that 99% of Muslims are anti-Amarican. Period!
They are RAISED to hate us - its written in their school books!
> I am done with this
> subject because you and Wizzard have proven over and over again that
> you are small-minded racist bigots.
That is correct. Here is where we differ: Because you have
one, two, three muslum friends that you have cookouts with or
whatever, in your mind, "most" muslums are not anti-Amarican.
Whereas, I also have one, two, and three muslum friends and
*also* have cookouts, and drink beer with, but *know* that
1-3 people out of billons, and 99% of muslims are, and "breed"
to be anti-West. Hell!, even the ones that i *DO* hang out
with even tell me this !! So are THESE muslum people ALSO
racist TOO ? (can you even BE racist if you are the same race?)
> You are both opposed to ALL muslims,
Correct. 99.9% equated to all in my book.
> are now gonna mention the grenade attack, and point to the actions of
> ONE person to condemn many patriotic honest American Muslims...right?
Correct. A muslim shouldn't be in the American military
in the FIRST place - they should be over there supporting
Yasser Arafat in the plight of the Pali's that they whine
about so much.
> I think that you and Wizzard should go put on your white robes and go
> burn a cross somewhere.
No, thats "fanaticiam", and hommie don't do that.
I accept good people. If muslims wern't flying
planes into buildings, and teaching their kids to
hate America, and writting school books that say
that its "good" to grow up to be a sucide bomber
against the West, then I'd say yea, they are a
wonderfull people, and I'l; go out of my way to
welcome them, and invite them into my home.
Until then, we'll got out of our way in Iraq
to kill their leaderships(s).
Mr Wizzard
>, who is willing
> to kill someone because of their religion,
Thats what the muslims do - kill us because we are
not the same religion. We exercize religious "freedom",
but they won't let us into their regilious cult centers
like mecca. Then they kidnap our nice your girls who
went to afghanistan on the peace corp. They kidnaped
this nice girls because they said they were bringing
Christianity into thier city.
Bring me a muslim who does NOT practice this goofy
religion of theirs and he will be my best friend.
Their religion is at the root of this problem - why
you don't see this, I'll never know. But one thing
I CAN tell ya for sure... And that is the FACT that
their religion thing is getting them NO where, and
in FACT, they are actually LOSING ground! First the
Taliban, the Pali terrorties dring up, Iraq soon to
be history, and who knows what after. That shit is
dring up, thats for sure ! When this voo-doo muslim
shit is gone, the Arabs will be a wonderfull people.
> flag in the belief that they are oh so patriotic. They don't even
> understand what freedoms this country is based on!
The freedom that I wave my flag is based on the freedom
that YOU have to leave this country and turn into a
Johnny Taliban. THATS the freedom that rigns loud and clear
on THIS neck of the woods !
> I guess *freedom*
> *of* *religion* means the freedom to be a christian in their minds, and
> especially not of an Islamic faith or you deserve to be _shot_ .
Yes, that is correct. Which, if you think about it, is the
exact same thing that THEY believe! Hell, they even TAUGHT
it to us. So whos responsable for this conflict again ?
> This
> kind of thinking literally makes me want to puke.
"green puke" ?? And thats my POINT!, and thus WHY
I brought up that Exercism movie a few posts ago !
You are so indoctronated with this voo-doo islam
shit, that your head's spinng around and green puke
shootin out ya mouth just LIKE in that Exorcism movie!
Mr Wizzard
> Like I said before... It's like Saddam Hussein giving a lecture on
> compassion. He may know the right words to say, but you KNOW he is
> just a scumbag who talks the talk but hasn't a CLUE about the walk...
And again, it IS their cult-like voo-doo religion that is under
attack. If you want to say/think that this voo-doo religion
thing is what "defines" those people, then thats fine, then
those "people" are under sttack. Symantics. Its not hard to
see what this is about. And remember, YOU have the freedom to
NOT believe this, just as you HAVE the freedom to leave this
place - something that THEY don't even have, so consider
yourself lucky. And its clear to see that YOU don't even
believe what you SAY you believe. For if you DID, you *would*
leave, go over there somewhere and help defend them etc.
The rules of the voo-doo islam/muslim religion change at
the borders you know... And if you want to challange THAT
acpect of it, then what you are doing is disputing "border"
rules, and that in it of itself IS a pure war-time cause.
>
>
>
> EQ
Recall
"~~NortH~~" <youkno...@home.dontya.com> wrote in message
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cd
we're right. Cant dispute it.
"Mr Wizzard" <wizza...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Sex Cow
<luna...@ziplip.com> wrote:
> It's cool wizzard, I dont think Sex Cow wants to respond to us. He knows
> we're right. Cant dispute it.
There is no need to respond point by point-you and Wizzard have both
admitted that you are racist bigots and proud of it, so what's left to
talk about? My points have been proven with your own words.
cd
REALISTICALLY muslims hate non-muslims and seek to destroy non-believers.
Thats a cold hard fact and you cant deny it.
"Sex Cow" <no...@jose.com> wrote in message
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EEng
religion is Islam. Followers of Islam are called Muslims.
Just as there are Hebrews (the race) whose religion is Judaism, and
whose followers are called Jews......
As there is (extreme generalizing here) the Caucasian race, whose
faith is (predominantly) Catholic with many sub-faiths (Christianity
and all its sects) and whose followers are generally called by the
sub-sect they practice.
Of course, none of these are carved in stone as all faiths have
followers of a variety of races.
Just wanted to point this out because today an idiot told me he was
surprised to find out I was a Jew....he'd always thought I was
American. My response was that I was just as surprised to discover he
was an American as I'd always thought he was a moron.
Sex Cow
<luna...@ziplip.com> wrote:
> nah, we're not racist bigots, just realists. We understand that
> REALISTICALLY muslims hate non-muslims and seek to destroy non-believers.
> Thats a cold hard fact and you cant deny it.
Well, when Wizzard calls for genocide of the Muslims, and you agree
with him, I would call that racist and bigoted, and far, far worse.
KKK'ers say the same thing about themselves, but substitute the word
"nigger" for "muslim" in the above paragraph you wrote. It is the same
thinking, and *you* can't deny it. Hell- Wizzard is proud of his
racist beliefs and admits he is one- why can't you? trying to
backpedal now is more than a bit silly.
Sex Cow
<unmai...@budget.net> wrote:
> Point of order. Muslim is not a race. The race is Arabic. Their
> religion is Islam. Followers of Islam are called Muslims.
>
> Just as there are Hebrews (the race) whose religion is Judaism, and
> whose followers are called Jews......
>
> As there is (extreme generalizing here) the Caucasian race, whose
> faith is (predominantly) Catholic with many sub-faiths (Christianity
> and all its sects) and whose followers are generally called by the
> sub-sect they practice.
>
> Of course, none of these are carved in stone as all faiths have
> followers of a variety of races.
>
> Just wanted to point this out because today an idiot told me he was
> surprised to find out I was a Jew....he'd always thought I was
> American. My response was that I was just as surprised to discover he
> was an American as I'd always thought he was a moron.
It would be funny if it wasn't so damn scary that people think like
that. I genuinely feel sorry for, and have a great respect for any
Muslim who is serving in the Armed Forces in Iraq right now. Not only
do they have to worry about doing their job while avoiding being shot,
which is hard enough, but they have to constantly deal with people who
are constantly questioning their motives and patriotism.
It reminds me of what I have read about WWII, and Japanese in America
and the Internement of Nisei (native-born Americans whose ancestors
came from Japan). Japanese and Americans of Japanese ancestry had long
faced discrimination on the West Coast. After Pearl Harbor their
situation became much worse. For no good reason, other citizens blamed
them for what the Japanese militarists had done and even began to
suspect that they might be helping the enemy across the Pacific.
Western politicians and frightened military men pressured FDR to remove
them from the coastal states. Forced to sell their homes and property
at once (within 48 hours), for whatever price offered, the
Japanese-Americans obeyed.
It is important to note that neither the 264,000 German aliens nor the
599,000 Italian aliens living in the United States were subject to a
similar policy. Anyone who had at least one great-grandparent who was
Japanese was interned.
As a result, most Japanese Americans -- the great majority of whom
lived in California -- were forced to leave their homes and were taken
to 10 detention camps in other states located in desolate, isolated
areas of the country, where they were imprisoned until the end of the
war. None had been accused of a crime. Most of the Nisei lost their
homes and businesses.
These 117,000 people, two thirds of them United States citizens, were
abruptly herded behind barbed wire and later shipped into ten
relocation centers in wild and disagreeable areas. These people
suffered the loss of at least 40 percent of their possessions and for
several years were barred from lucrative employment. These American
citizens had to sell their property (usually at a loss) or lose it
entirely and move into camps until the end of the war.
Although the internment camps were little better than prisons, most
Japanese Americans remained loyal to the United States. During the war
years there were no acts of disloyalty or sabotage by Japanese
Americans. Nisei soldiers fought bravely in both Europe and in the
Pacific. Nonetheless, their families were forced to remain in the
internment camps throughout the war years. And they continued to
experience discrimination when the war ended.
The country paid not only a high cost in human life but also a certain
moral cost for its victory. For the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor led
to what the American Civil Liberties Union called "the worst single
invasion of citizens' liberties" during the war. Two thirds of these
people forced to move were American citizens. They became prisoners in
their own country.
I have already heard people suggest we should do the same thing with
Arab-Americans. I am sure that Wizzard and his henchmen will jump all
over that idea as being great, forgetting that the Bill of Rights
(Amendment 4) make people "secure in their persons, houses, papers, and
effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures."
Sex Cow
<no...@jose.com> wrote:
> It reminds me of what I have read about WWII, and Japanese in America
> and the Internement of Nisei (native-born Americans whose ancestors
> came from Japan). Japanese and Americans of Japanese ancestry had long
> faced discrimination on the West Coast. After Pearl Harbor their
> situation became much worse. For no good reason, other citizens blamed
> them for what the Japanese militarists had done and even began to
> suspect that they might be helping the enemy across the Pacific.
> Western politicians and frightened military men pressured FDR to remove
> them from the coastal states. Forced to sell their homes and property
> at once (within 48 hours), for whatever price offered, the
> Japanese-Americans obeyed.
Uh, oh, now I will confuse Wizzard and his pals once again. Just when
they had me pegged as an Arab or Muslim. Now they will no doubt think I
am Japanese. Or a Japanese Muslim.
Captain Cream
enlighten us thusly:
> Uh, oh, now I will confuse Wizzard and his pals once again. Just when
> they had me pegged as an Arab or Muslim. Now they will no doubt think I
> am Japanese. Or a Japanese Muslim.
Maybe your an Arabic Shintoist...
--
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
If at first you don't succeed, redefine success.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
cd
as the arabs, muslim fundamentalists, and palestinians do every day.
I admit, the KKK were gay old pissed off white guys, and they would hang a
black guy for raping a white girl (which should be applicable today), but
they didnt pose a threat to the rest of the world as do arabs, muslim
fundamentalists, and palestinians.
It's time for americans to take a stand against those of the muslimic faith.
We cant tolerate their hatred any longer.
"Captain Cream" <hugh_g_monguspecker@hot|sh*t|mail.com> wrote in message
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Sex Cow
<luna...@ziplip.com> wrote:
> sex cow, ya keep referring to the KKK but they've NEVER commited mass murder
> as the arabs, muslim fundamentalists, and palestinians do every day.
> I admit, the KKK were gay old pissed off white guys, and they would hang a
> black guy for raping a white girl (which should be applicable today), but
> they didnt pose a threat to the rest of the world as do arabs, muslim
> fundamentalists, and palestinians.
WOW! A KKK apologist...amazing. but, I guess that really doesn't
surprise me at all. What are you going to claim next? That the
Holocaust never happened?
> It's time for americans to take a stand against those of the muslimic faith.
There ya go again showing your ignorance- you don't even know the name
of the group you hate so much, let alone the tenents of their religion.
> We cant tolerate their hatred any longer.
You are a provincial, small-minded, no-neck, persecuting redneck racist
bigot dogmatist clodhopper clown of a mule... you thrive on hatred-
it's all you know.
--
What's the last thing you usually hear before a redneck dies?
'Hey y'all... Watch this!'
E-DUBYA-Q
>In article <v8gbjo7...@corp.supernews.com>, cd
><luna...@ziplip.com> wrote:
>
>> sex cow, ya keep referring to the KKK but they've NEVER commited mass murder
>> as the arabs, muslim fundamentalists, and palestinians do every day.
>> I admit, the KKK were gay old pissed off white guys, and they would hang a
>> black guy for raping a white girl (which should be applicable today), but
>> they didnt pose a threat to the rest of the world as do arabs, muslim
>> fundamentalists, and palestinians.
>
>WOW! A KKK apologist...amazing. but, I guess that really doesn't
>surprise me at all. What are you going to claim next? That the
>Holocaust never happened?
I didn't read CD's post as "apologizing" for the KKK....
What I read is that you keep bringing up KKK as referenced to Islamic
Terrorists and CD is simply claiming that the KKK has not committed
the mass murder that Islamic Terrorists have...
EQ
Recall
great :)
Recall
You seem to forget it was a dirty sneak attack by the japs that brought
about that and other decisions AT THAT TIME!
"Sex Cow" <no...@jose.com> wrote in message
news:310320030013304991%no...@jose.com...
Sex Cow
<e...@pln.cc> wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Mar 2003 07:20:19 -0500, Sex Cow <no...@jose.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <v8gbjo7...@corp.supernews.com>, cd
> ><luna...@ziplip.com> wrote:
> >
> >> sex cow, ya keep referring to the KKK but they've NEVER commited mass
> >> murder
> >> as the arabs, muslim fundamentalists, and palestinians do every day.
> >> I admit, the KKK were gay old pissed off white guys, and they would hang a
> >> black guy for raping a white girl (which should be applicable today), but
> >> they didnt pose a threat to the rest of the world as do arabs, muslim
> >> fundamentalists, and palestinians.
> >
> >WOW! A KKK apologist...amazing. but, I guess that really doesn't
> >surprise me at all. What are you going to claim next? That the
> >Holocaust never happened?
>
> I didn't read CD's post as "apologizing" for the KKK....
>
> What I read is that you keep bringing up KKK as referenced to Islamic
> Terrorists and CD is simply claiming that the KKK has not committed
> the mass murder that Islamic Terrorists have...
>
>
> EQ
Downplaying the KKK's reign of terror and murder is definitely the
behavior of a KKK apologist. BTW, "apologist" does not mean he is
apologizing:
apologist
n : a person who argues to defend or justify some policy or
institution; "an apologist for capital punishment"
... and YES.. I DO bring up the KKK, but in reference to WIZZARD and CD
because they have parroted many views put forth by the KKK in their
posts regarding their hatred of Muslims and anyone else who isn't
exactly like they want them to be. THAT is the comp[arison the the KKK
that is mentioned, not in reference or comparison to Islam, but in
reference to their narrow-minded views.
Sex Cow
wrote:
> So Easy to be an armchair quarterback 60 years later isn't it?
> You seem to forget it was a dirty sneak attack by the japs that brought
> about that and other decisions AT THAT TIME!
That policy was viewed as shameful then by many people, not just in
retrospect. Many people spoke about the internment of the Japanese AT
THAT TIME, just as I am speaking out against blatant racism AT THIS
TIME!
Mr Wizzard
> In article <v8ff0b5...@corp.supernews.com>, cd
> <luna...@ziplip.com> wrote:
>
> > nah, we're not racist bigots, just realists. We understand that
> > REALISTICALLY muslims hate non-muslims and seek to destroy non-believers.
> > Thats a cold hard fact and you cant deny it.
>
> Well, when Wizzard calls for genocide of the Muslims, and you agree
> with him,
Yea, all muzlums who are brainwashed into hating us, well DUH!
As I said before, bring me one who is truely "free" of that
voo-doo shit, and he'll be my friend for life.
> I would call that racist and bigoted, and far, far worse.
Call it what you want, you "know" my position. You can print
out all of my posts in this thread on this issue, lay them out
on a table, in cronological order, and you can clearly see my
"progresion" of thoughts.
> KKK'ers say the same thing about themselves, but substitute the word
> "nigger" for "muslim" in the above paragraph you wrote. It is the same
> thinking, and *you* can't deny it. Hell- Wizzard is proud of his
> racist beliefs and admits he is one- why can't you? trying to
> backpedal now is more than a bit silly.
Again, I am not "afraid" of anything you label me as - you have
been back into a corner such that anything you say or do has
little, or no "shock" value any more, and THAT is what readers
will see. The *only* angle you have left to play is the "attempts
to take things of the progression context". And good luck wit dat!
Mr Wizzard
If you read one of the post in my "progression", you will see that
I clearly stated that " it IS musilmism that is under attack".
Mr Wizzard
> In article <v8gbjo7...@corp.supernews.com>, cd
> <luna...@ziplip.com> wrote:
>
> > It's time for americans to take a stand against those of the muslimic faith.
>
> There ya go again showing your ignorance- you don't even know the name
> of the group you hate so much, let alone the tenents of their religion.
And that is preciesly the "overtone" on my stated positions on the "thing".
Thus the term "voo-doo". Its a cult, as in "noun", and affects anyone,
or anyTHING caught up in it. Black muslims, white muslems, and oh yea,
the Arab muslims who get their heads cut off for NOT being one.
>
> > We cant tolerate their hatred any longer.
>
> You are a provincial, small-minded, no-neck, persecuting redneck racist
> bigot dogmatist clodhopper clown of a mule... you thrive on hatred-
> it's all you know.
Problems with your assertions here, is that *they* will not, and
"are" not shaping history as will be seen by people 20, 50, or 100
years from now. And the sober reality here is, that *neither* of us
will be around to see this, which lays even *more* creedance to the
"reality" of it all - the islamic/muslim voo-doo mindsets are under
attack, and the non muslums *are* standing up against it, and its
pretty apparent that this who thing *will* put a balancing force
against it to keep them in "balance" with the rest of the world.
E-DUBYA-Q
I stand corrected...
Thank you...
EQ
Mr Wizzard
>
>, just as I am speaking out against blatant racism AT THIS
> TIME!
Its about their "religion", "beliefs", and actions, not their race.
E-DUBYA-Q
Not racism....
EQ
On 31 Mar 2003 16:35:39 -0800, wizza...@yahoo.com (Mr Wizzard)
wrote:
cd
Because I have a real hard time believing that when our boys in Basra bring
food and water and those urine colored wastes of human debris Iraqis who
spout "with our blood and our tears we will fight for Saddam".
Is this not a clear indictation of religious and political brainwashing?
Arabs hate Americans. Even the ones who are here getting FREE college
degrees on the backs of the taxpayers.
"Recall" <Se...@myplace.com> wrote in message
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Sex Cow
<wizza...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Sex Cow <no...@jose.com> wrote in message
> news:<310320030720191391%no...@jose.com>...
> > In article <v8gbjo7...@corp.supernews.com>, cd
> > <luna...@ziplip.com> wrote:
> >
> > > It's time for americans to take a stand against those of the muslimic
> > > faith.
> >
> > There ya go again showing your ignorance- you don't even know the name
> > of the group you hate so much, let alone the tenents of their religion.
>
> And that is preciesly the "overtone" on my stated positions on the "thing".
> Thus the term "voo-doo". Its a cult, as in "noun", and affects anyone,
> or anyTHING caught up in it. Black muslims, white muslems, and oh yea,
> the Arab muslims who get their heads cut off for NOT being one.
What a load of double-speak gibberish. Are you drunk? You can't back
out of this one- you are a racist bigot, you admitted it, you are even
proud of it. The end.
That doesnšt mean you are a *racist* out to burn crosses (hopefully),
you simply possess and believe *racist* ideas. Consider the following
analogy: You are a horny teenaged virgin sexist pervert. You sit in a
room alone with an attractive teenage girl and your perverted thoughts.
You never touch her. Have you committed a crime? No. Did you ever do
anything which approached a crime? No. Should she trust you? No. If you
were her father, would this lack of criminal behavior give you any
peace of mind? Hell no. Every action you could possibly consider with
that girl is greatly colored by the content of your thoughts - which
freely belong to you. Until you can rid yourself of these untoward and
immoral thoughts, it is very likely that any interaction between you
and the girl will be disrespectful at best, and deplorably criminal at
worst.
> >
> > > We cant tolerate their hatred any longer.
> >
> > You are a provincial, small-minded, no-neck, persecuting redneck racist
> > bigot dogmatist clodhopper clown of a mule... you thrive on hatred-
> > it's all you know.
>
> Problems with your assertions here, is that *they* will not, and
> "are" not shaping history as will be seen by people 20, 50, or 100
> years from now. And the sober reality here is, that *neither* of us
> will be around to see this, which lays even *more* creedance to the
> "reality" of it all - the islamic/muslim voo-doo mindsets are under
> attack, and the non muslums *are* standing up against it, and its
> pretty apparent that this who thing *will* put a balancing force
> against it to keep them in "balance" with the rest of the world.
More drunken double-speak. All of it meaningless, and none of it
addressing any of the issues at hand in this thread. You are a
*racist* and anyone reading this thread would clearly see that. You
can't back out of it now, as much as you may want to. I guess it makes
you feel better about yourself to proclaim you are not a bigoted
racist, but you clearly are one. Do you want me to repost your
*racist* and *bigoted* comments for you (and the rest of the group) to
read?
I also find it funny that you are calling your buddy Pres. Bush a liar.
He says the war is <wink wink> NOT on Islam or Muslims, but on the
current regime, yet he has called it a "crusade" over and over again.
I guess you can see through his crap as clearly as anyone else.
E-DUBYA-Q
Hmmmmmm
Interesting notion, Sex Cow...
So, in your opinion, no female can trust MarcAss, NortH/KarmAss, Mili
and the rest of the ADH Terrorists...
And EQ's reaction, as a father, to all their disgusting and perverted
attacks is perfectly justified...
And, to paraphrase what you wrote,
"Until MarcAss, NortH/KarmAss, Mili and the rest of the ADH Terrorists
can rid themselves of these untoward and immoral thoughts, it is very
likely that any interaction between them and any female will be
disrespectful at best, and deplorably criminal at worst."
Does that sound like a reasonable extrapolation of what you wrote,
when applying your scenario to the situation here in EQADH??
If not, why not??
EQ
Sex Cow
<e...@pln.cc> wrote:
Why are you bringing this up with me again? You can apply the
situation to your family if you want, but I thought we had settled this
already. I do not support any of the abuse towards your family.
Period.
Bad_...@karma.net
>
>Hmmmmmm
>
>Interesting notion, Sex Cow...
>
>So, in your opinion, no female can trust MarcAss, NortH/KarmAss, Mili
>and the rest of the ADH Terrorists...
>
>And EQ's reaction, as a father, to all their disgusting and perverted
>attacks is perfectly justified...
>
>And, to paraphrase what you wrote,
>
>"Until MarcAss, NortH/KarmAss, Mili and the rest of the ADH Terrorists
>can rid themselves of these untoward and immoral thoughts, it is very
>likely that any interaction between them and any female will be
>disrespectful at best, and deplorably criminal at worst."
>
>
>Does that sound like a reasonable extrapolation of what you wrote,
>when applying your scenario to the situation here in EQADH??
>
>If not, why not??
>
>
> EQ
>
>
Have I ever told you that you are an idiot?
E-DUBYA-Q
My apologies, SC....
I had not intended my post to be a re-opening of that old (and dead)
issue...
I simply wanted your thoughts as to whether you think that your
girl/disgusting pervert scenario as you laid it out would apply to the
ADH Terrorists in this group.
Judging from your response, I would say that you agree that it could.
As I said, there was no other intention other then to solicit your
opinion...
EQ
Sex Cow
<e...@pln.cc> wrote:
>
> As I said, there was no other intention other then to solicit your
> opinion...
np
Armond_Tanzarian
>My apologies, SC....
>
>I had not intended my post to be a re-opening of that old (and dead)
>issue...
>
>I simply wanted your thoughts as to whether you think that your
>girl/disgusting pervert scenario as you laid it out would apply to the
>ADH Terrorists in this group.
>
>Judging from your response, I would say that you agree that it could.
>
>As I said, there was no other intention other then to solicit your
>opinion...
>
>
>
> EQ
>
>
>
>
Do you ever shut up? Get a real life hobby.
Mr Wizzard
> In article <b77939f6.0303...@posting.google.com>, Mr Wizzard
> <wizza...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Sex Cow <no...@jose.com> wrote in message
> > news:<310320030720191391%no...@jose.com>...
> > > In article <v8gbjo7...@corp.supernews.com>, cd
> > > <luna...@ziplip.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > It's time for americans to take a stand against those of the muslimic
> > > > faith.
> > >
> > > There ya go again showing your ignorance- you don't even know the name
> > > of the group you hate so much, let alone the tenents of their religion.
> >
> > And that is preciesly the "overtone" on my stated positions on the "thing".
> > Thus the term "voo-doo". Its a cult, as in "noun", and affects anyone,
> > or anyTHING caught up in it. Black muslims, white muslems, and oh yea,
> > the Arab muslims who get their heads cut off for NOT being one.
>
> What a load of double-speak gibberish. Are you drunk? You can't back
> out of this one- you are a racist bigot, you admitted it, you are even
> proud of it. The end.
hehe - the emotions, and "shock value" of your "racist" assertion
have no more payload, you done fizzled out. Yea, call me what you
want, and I'll admidt to "anything" you want me to admidt. The above
paragraph was not aimed at you - you're already gone. It was geared
to all the silient readers of this thread.
>
> That doesnšt mean you are a *racist* out to burn crosses (hopefully),
> you simply possess and believe *racist* ideas.
Well DUH! Of *course* I do believe *racist* ideas, is that BAD ??
I "believe" that black people should get an extra 20 points on
their college entrance application just for being black - a LOT
of people believe that.
> Consider the following
> analogy: You are a horny teenaged virgin sexist pervert. You sit in a
> room alone with an attractive teenage girl and your perverted thoughts.
> You never touch her. Have you committed a crime? No. Did you ever do
> anything which approached a crime? No. Should she trust you? No. If you
> were her father, would this lack of criminal behavior give you any
> peace of mind? Hell no. Every action you could possibly consider with
> that girl is greatly colored by the content of your thoughts - which
> freely belong to you. Until you can rid yourself of these untoward and
> immoral thoughts, it is very likely that any interaction between you
> and the girl will be disrespectful at best, and deplorably criminal at
> worst.
Problem with your little short story is this: "mind control"
That is ALL it is. Period! There is only *ONE* person who
"knows" if said preverted thoughts exist, and thats the guy
sitting IN that room. NOT me, NOT you. *YOU* can not judge
*ME* for thoughts/ideas in MY head when you don't know what
they are other than loose associations.
>
> > >
> > > > We cant tolerate their hatred any longer.
> > >
> > > You are a provincial, small-minded, no-neck, persecuting redneck racist
> > > bigot dogmatist clodhopper clown of a mule... you thrive on hatred-
> > > it's all you know.
> >
> > Problems with your assertions here, is that *they* will not, and
> > "are" not shaping history as will be seen by people 20, 50, or 100
> > years from now. And the sober reality here is, that *neither* of us
> > will be around to see this, which lays even *more* creedance to the
> > "reality" of it all - the islamic/muslim voo-doo mindsets are under
> > attack, and the non muslums *are* standing up against it, and its
> > pretty apparent that this who thing *will* put a balancing force
> > against it to keep them in "balance" with the rest of the world.
>
> More drunken double-speak. All of it meaningless, and none of it
> addressing any of the issues at hand in this thread.
Please outline and enumerate these issues.
> You are a
> *racist* and anyone reading this thread would clearly see that.
But no one is disputing this. What is the issue ??
I *am* a racist - is that BAD ?? (I believe in giving
black people an extra 20 points for being black, and
*not* giving a white person the 20 points)
> You
> can't back out of it now, as much as you may want to. I guess it makes
> you feel better about yourself to proclaim you are not a bigoted
> racist,
Don't lie - give me due credit, I *am* a racist... (is that bad ?)
> but you clearly are one.
Well DUH!! - you just now figured that out ??
> Do you want me to repost your
> *racist* and *bigoted* comments for you (and the rest of the group) to
> read?
Sure - why don't you do that, that would be fun.
>
> I also find it funny that you are calling your buddy Pres. Bush a liar.
> He says the war is <wink wink> NOT on Islam or Muslims, but on the
> current regime, yet he has called it a "crusade" over and over again.
The was is on Islam, don't let anyone kid you. It's all the same.
Actually, if you had any witt about you, and done proper ressearch,
you would *know* that this is ALL about "unfinished business" from
WWII, and Russia/Communism. Research Saddams fetish with all of
Stalins books.
> I guess you can see through his crap as clearly as anyone else.
Ahhh bite me. You are FAR too shallow to understand ANY of this.
This Iraq thing is WAY bigger and older than you know. Hell, you
were still "shitting yellow" when the Communist/Russia/USA thing
was going down that caused all of this anyhow. Grow up - learn
to be a "good" racist - learn to "accept" giving black folks the
extra 20 points for being black.
Mr Wizzard
> So Easy to be an armchair quarterback 60 years later isn't it?
> You seem to forget it was a dirty sneak attack by the japs that brought
> about that and other decisions AT THAT TIME!
Also remember *WHY* the USA got involved with Saddam
in the *first* place. Like I said, this Iraq thing has roots back
to the whole USA keeping countries OUT of the hands of
communist Soviets thing. Little did we know that Saddam
had that little infactuation with all those Stalin books that he's
been packing around since he was a kid. Proping up Saddam
was about TWO things - keep the Soviets OUT of tring to
develop the Iraq fields, and satisifing Iraq's hungry desire
for arms. We only accomplished one of those things, and
had no means to legally supply thiem with the arms - thus
why they got all their arms from the Soviets. And of course,
during the last 12 years, Russia starting getting their paws
on the oil behind our backs, and thats douple-dipping.
Mr Wizzard
Ah man... You need to get over all of this. Man, its too bad you don't
have the same passion that you have for all this foo-foo stuff for the
"real" crux of the issues. Like the unfinished business of the communist
in WWII that caused this Israel/Palestinian situation and the breeding
of Saddam who was litterly obsessed with Stalin, and the Stalin model(s).
Hell, you might even be a "contributor" to the issues we face - stranger
things have happened !
Mr Wizzard
"cd" <luna...@ziplip.com> wrote in message
news:v8hofbr...@corp.supernews.com...
> So then Sex Cow, are you argueing that arab muslims do NOT hate
westerners?
> Because I have a real hard time believing that when our boys in Basra
bring
> food and water and those urine colored wastes of human debris Iraqis who
> spout "with our blood and our tears we will fight for Saddam".
> Is this not a clear indictation of religious and political brainwashing?
> Arabs hate Americans. Even the ones who are here getting FREE college
> degrees on the backs of the taxpayers.
Nicely put. Funny you got no answer.
Sex Cow
Wizzard <wizza...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Well, in that case shouldn't "the above paragraph" make at least *some*
sense? Instead you ramble on about nothing coherent, inventing words
to suit your needs, and tossing the english language out the window.
Also- if I am "already gone" wtf are you doing responding to my
message? DUH! what an idiot. As far as the "shock value" of my
"racist" assertion- I intended none. I was simply stating that I feel
you are a racist bigot. Simple as that.
> >
> > That doesnąt mean you are a *racist* out to burn crosses (hopefully),
> > you simply possess and believe *racist* ideas.
>
> Well DUH! Of *course* I do believe *racist* ideas, is that BAD ??
yes.
rac·ism
noun
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or
ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.
> I "believe" that black people should get an extra 20 points on
> their college entrance application just for being black - a LOT
> of people believe that.
oooh.. Mr. Liberal. What a load of crap. Nice attempt at trying to
shift the issue away from your feelings about ARABS though.
>
> > Consider the following
> > analogy: You are a horny teenaged virgin sexist pervert. You sit in a
> > room alone with an attractive teenage girl and your perverted thoughts.
> > You never touch her. Have you committed a crime? No. Did you ever do
> > anything which approached a crime? No. Should she trust you? No. If you
> > were her father, would this lack of criminal behavior give you any
> > peace of mind? Hell no. Every action you could possibly consider with
> > that girl is greatly colored by the content of your thoughts - which
> > freely belong to you. Until you can rid yourself of these untoward and
> > immoral thoughts, it is very likely that any interaction between you
> > and the girl will be disrespectful at best, and deplorably criminal at
> > worst.
>
> Problem with your little short story is this: "mind control"
> That is ALL it is. Period! There is only *ONE* person who
> "knows" if said preverted thoughts exist, and thats the guy
> sitting IN that room. NOT me, NOT you. *YOU* can not judge
> *ME* for thoughts/ideas in MY head when you don't know what
> they are other than loose associations.
I don't need to read your mind- you have stated your glorious opinions
over and over again regarding Arabs and Muslims, etc., and they are all
bigoted and racist ideas. That's a fact. If the horny teenager in my
example were to go around talking like a sick pervert then that would
be the father's first clue.
> > > >
> > > > > We cant tolerate their hatred any longer.
> > > >
> > > > You are a provincial, small-minded, no-neck, persecuting redneck racist
> > > > bigot dogmatist clodhopper clown of a mule... you thrive on hatred-
> > > > it's all you know.
> > >
> > > Problems with your assertions here, is that *they* will not, and
> > > "are" not shaping history as will be seen by people 20, 50, or 100
> > > years from now. And the sober reality here is, that *neither* of us
> > > will be around to see this, which lays even *more* creedance to the
> > > "reality" of it all - the islamic/muslim voo-doo mindsets are under
> > > attack, and the non muslums *are* standing up against it, and its
> > > pretty apparent that this who thing *will* put a balancing force
> > > against it to keep them in "balance" with the rest of the world.
> >
> > More drunken double-speak. All of it meaningless, and none of it
> > addressing any of the issues at hand in this thread.
>
> Please outline and enumerate these issues.
<280320030311489179%no...@jose.com>
> > You are a
> > *racist* and anyone reading this thread would clearly see that.
>
> But no one is disputing this. What is the issue ??
> I *am* a racist - is that BAD ??
yes.
rac·ism
noun
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or
ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.
> (I believe in giving
> black people an extra 20 points for being black, and
> *not* giving a white person the 20 points)
Apples and oranges. You have not called for the genocide of black
people as you have done for Arabs/Muslims. You are clouding the issue
by bringing OTHER race issues in to it. You know what we are talking
about- you are just attempting to shift the thread and avoid your
earier remarks. I can't say as I blame you because so far everything
out of your mouth has been nonsensical and deluded.
> > You
> > can't back out of it now, as much as you may want to. I guess it makes
> > you feel better about yourself to proclaim you are not a bigoted
> > racist,
>
> Don't lie - give me due credit, I *am* a racist... (is that bad ?)
Correction: you are a BIGOTED racist who advocates religous persecution.
And yes, that is bad.
rac·ism
noun
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or
ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.
> > but you clearly are one.
>
> Well DUH!! - you just now figured that out ??
>
No- I have been calling you a racist for awhile now.
>
> > Do you want me to repost your
> > *racist* and *bigoted* comments for you (and the rest of the group) to
> > read?
>
> Sure - why don't you do that, that would be fun.
Here are quotes from you:
And by the way, FUCK THE ARAB WORLD !!! I've HAD IT up to my FUCKING
EYEBALLS with this fucking ARAB CRAP. Arab this, Arab THAT, 911,
Muslum sensitivity, Iraq this, Iraq that, I'm just SICK and FUCKING
TIRED of the dam ARAB's!! The Arabs want nothing but attention, and to
hurt us, and then more attention, I'm telling you, I am NOT alone in
being FED UP with this fucking Arab and Muslum deal. Blow em up,
rebuild Iraq, and then put these fucking A-rab muslums on the far back
shelf and hope to never hear the fucking term A-rab, and muzzlem
AGAIN!! Oh man dude! - talk like this gives me "wood", I just can't
WAIT to see them little "green streaks" on the headline news when shit
starts to go down. Gosh I miss them "green streaks"... Couldn't wait
to come home from work during the Gulf War to see them "green streaks"
on TV, and recently in Afghanistan. This shit turns my crank - I
*love* to see this steel rain, love to see the fire ROAR, and I
dam-near get WOOD seeing this shit get cramed down the throughts of the
anti-American muslim-types. Fucking Arabs ANYhow..... Why can't they
be a passive, peacefull people like the Indians who are very nice, and
friendly, and industious people ? Fucking 8-ball's !! It ALL gets down
to Arab/Islam-O fascist extreme envy of the fact that Americans can
burn Arab oil in their lawnmowers to cut green American grass (for
which they can not grow on their sands.)Arabs are NOT taught that
right/wrong is faceless, raceless, and sexless - its a very twisted
sence of right vs wrong that they are brought up with. The Islam
religion thing is now seen in MORE of a dark, drab, garb-ish, morbid
cult-like religion by people across the globe than EVER before. Just
because one "believes" in this voodoo "Moon God" Islam bullshit
religion, does NOT mean you need to fight for the palistinians, and
become all wigged out. A muslim shouldn't be in the American military
in the FIRST place - they should be over there supporting Yasser Arafat
in the plight of the Pali's that they whine about so much. But
seriously, its not "religion" in general - its that fucked up voo-doo
muslum shit. Nobody can possibly get a calm, peacefull feeling when we
see shit like a room full of muslums chanting, and rocking back and
forth chating from a book - looks like a dam scene from the movie
"Exorism"! I mean, they don't even resepect their OWN religion - look
at how they dress. rocking back and forth real fast chanting from books
with their legs crosses in their SKANky bear feet, and rolling forward
to put their faces on some 'nasty' rug that others are walking on with
their nasty bare feet possbily tracking in camel and dog dung ? dude,
thats just barbaric. I'm saying that when people "see" shit that LOOKS
non-inviting and dark, drab, and scary, they feel scared and
apprenhensive (sp?) about the situation. You can't POSSIBLY expect a
litte girl to walk into a voo-doo session of theirs when they are
rocking back and forth and heads spinning around like a fuck top, and
have her say: "excuse me kind sir, would you like to buy some girl
scout cookies?" How realistic is THAT ??? That little girls gonna BEAT
FEET ! That wieird man, no getting away from that. Thats just plain
mind control and "cult" like programing, plain and simple. Christianity
teaches us to go out and spread the goodness and DO the charity work,
bake sales, volunteer work, peace-corps etc, NOT "surrender" your mind
to him. Thats "logically" just whacked. They need to lighten up this
voo-doo like dark religion. Visions of happy kids and butterfiles
stimulate endorphans in the brain, whereas acciently walking into a
voo-doo mosque during a prayer rug exercize is like stumbling into a
sayonce or some shit - would scare the fuck out of most people ! their
practices are in the minority, AND the fact that its so "ODD" and
non-inviting looking is WHY there is such a natural fear and
aprehension about it. And NO!, this onus is *NOT* on us to seek this
out as some research project to see if its safe or not - THEY, and the
promotors of this (such as yourself) have the responsibility to ease
our fears and work harder at it. Ita be *different* if their religious
practices were even remotely "similar" to what mainstream America
knows. Question: do you guys bring your guns to your muslum churches
? And again, it IS their cult-like voo-doo religion that is under
attack. If you want to say/think that this voo-doo religion thing is
what "defines" those people, then thats fine, then those "people" are
under sttack. The rules of the voo-doo islam/muslim religion change at
the borders you know... Thats what the muslims do - kill us because
we are not the same religion. Bring me a muslim who does NOT practice
this goofy religion of theirs and he will be my best friend. Their
religion is at the root of this problem - why you don't see this, I'll
never know. But one thing I CAN tell ya for sure... You are so
indoctronated with this voo-doo islam shit, that your head's spinng
around and green puke shootin out ya mouth just LIKE in that Exorcism
movie! If muslims wern't flying planes into buildings, and teaching
their kids to hate America, and writting school books that say that its
"good" to grow up to be a sucide bomber against the West, then I'd say
yea, they are a wonderfull people, and I'l; go out of my way to welcome
them, and invite them into my home. Until then, we'll got out of our
way in Iraq to kill their leaderships(s). Its a cult, as in "noun",
and affects anyone, or anyTHING caught up in it.
(from caseyb) > Well, either way, dead or alive...Dumbya is gonna
continue to drop bombs
And thats a GOOD thing. We done PAID our tax dollars, and we all want
to SEE this technology that many paid so much money for by way of all
the hi-tech stocks that everyone invested in, *and* we want to bring an
END to this goofy Arab/Muslun "excuse" you are all living on.
(from Ghandi) > Are you a racist?
Yes! - I *hate* non-American hindu/Arab/Islamic terrorists, *expecally*
thoes with screen names of said spiritual leaders/figure heads. "Kwel"
screen names: Big bopper, bad dog, hog heaven, Lazy Bastard, tree
hugger, etc. etc. "BAD" screen names: Usama bin laden, Yasser Arafat,
"Ghandi", etc. etc. Get it?????
(cd's post- your response is below) >Muslims are (for lack of a better
word) > brainwashed, mostly over politics but using a religious crutch
of weak > mindedness. The Quran doesnt speak of peace, it says that
non-believers of > THEIR religion is the devil and that they'll all
perish because of this. > > Their is no bigger cult of violence and
corruption than that of muslimism. > And quite frankly, Atheists (like
myself) DO NOT commit acts of terrorism. > NOW who's theological
opinion is the most peaceful?? Well, mine of course. >
Ah!! - Dood!!... Man, you surprize me. I was just getting ready to
sign off, and I run into THIS. And geesus! - I could *NOT have said
this ANY better ! You nailed this one perfectly. Reference, a I reply
to a post I *just* made right above this post, this is a wonderfully
accurate responce. Thanks!
> >
> > I also find it funny that you are calling your buddy Pres. Bush a liar.
> > He says the war is <wink wink> NOT on Islam or Muslims, but on the
> > current regime, yet he has called it a "crusade" over and over again.
>
> The was is on Islam, don't let anyone kid you. It's all the same.
> Actually, if you had any witt about you, and done proper ressearch,
> you would *know* that this is ALL about "unfinished business" from
> WWII, and Russia/Communism. Research Saddams fetish with all of
> Stalins books.
So you are calling Bush a liar. I thought so... just wanted to get my
facts straight.
> > I guess you can see through his crap as clearly as anyone else.
>
> Ahhh bite me.
clever!
> You are FAR too shallow to understand ANY of this.
You are a bigoted racist who admittedly supports religous persecution,
your opinion is invalid to me.
> This Iraq thing is WAY bigger and older than you know.
No- sadly I can see clearly just how big it really is, and it will only
get bigger as time goes on due to shallow-minded bigoted racists like
yourself.
> Hell, you
> were still "shitting yellow" when the Communist/Russia/USA thing
> was going down that caused all of this anyhow.
WTF are you talking about?
> Grow up - learn
> to be a "good" racist -
umm, no.
rac·ism
noun
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or
ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.
> learn to "accept" giving black folks the
> extra 20 points for being black.
Stop trying to shift the issue away from Arabs/Islam/Muslims. So you
like black folks- who cares? You are selectively racist towards Arabs
and Muslims, which is wrong.
Sex Cow
Wizzard <w...@hackery.com> wrote:
> "cd" <luna...@ziplip.com> wrote in message
> news:v8hofbr...@corp.supernews.com...
> > So then Sex Cow, are you argueing that arab muslims do NOT hate
> westerners?
> > Because I have a real hard time believing that when our boys in Basra
> bring
> > food and water and those urine colored wastes of human debris Iraqis who
> > spout "with our blood and our tears we will fight for Saddam".
> > Is this not a clear indictation of religious and political brainwashing?
> > Arabs hate Americans. Even the ones who are here getting FREE college
> > degrees on the backs of the taxpayers.
>
> Nicely put. Funny you got no answer.
I didn't think that spew deserved any reponse. It's bigoted and
hateful and misinformed at BEST. No wonder you see logic in it. I know
SEVERAL arab muslims, and *they* do NOT hate westerners - THEY escaped
the persecution of Saddam to get here, yet you insist that they must
make you feel good about how they worship their god, which is MORE
persecution- from YOU.
Mr Wizzard
> In article <ZOvia.337906$sf5.3...@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>, Mr
> Wizzard <w...@hackery.com> wrote:
>
> > "cd" <luna...@ziplip.com> wrote in message
> > news:v8hofbr...@corp.supernews.com...
> > > So then Sex Cow, are you argueing that arab muslims do NOT hate
> westerners?
> > > Because I have a real hard time believing that when our boys in Basra
> bring
> > > food and water and those urine colored wastes of human debris Iraqis who
> > > spout "with our blood and our tears we will fight for Saddam".
> > > Is this not a clear indictation of religious and political brainwashing?
> > > Arabs hate Americans. Even the ones who are here getting FREE college
> > > degrees on the backs of the taxpayers.
> >
> > Nicely put. Funny you got no answer.
>
> I didn't think that spew deserved any reponse.
Ah-oh, he's Baaaaaa-aaaack ..... :)
> It's bigoted and
> hateful and misinformed at BEST.
Yeah, yeah, whatever... "missinformed" ? - I don't THINK so ...
> No wonder you see logic in it. I know
> SEVERAL arab muslims, and *they* do NOT hate westerners - THEY escaped
> the persecution of Saddam to get here,
I do too. Like I said, get them to devorce their brains from
that voo-doo, and they are fine. (friends for life I think is
the term I used)
> yet you insist that they must
> make you feel good about how they worship their god,
Thats correct. And more specifically, "feel safe".
> which is MORE
> persecution- from YOU.
It *IS*! - why are you re-hashing the "known" ??
Face it, any society that forces you into a religion
that has HUGE loudspeakers in the streets of the city
that screech morning prayers blaring loud at 4:30 AM
is simply "fucked". Period! I think the term I used
is "voo-doo".
i.e.:
Screeching loudspeakers in the streets at 4:30AM = "voo-doo".
If that makes me "bad", racist, "mean", bigioted, etc,
well then, "quilty as charged" .
Mr Wizzard
It DOES make sence. To the NON SexCow people that is...
(to who it was intended as stated)
> Instead you ramble on about nothing coherent, inventing words
> to suit your needs, and tossing the english language out the window.
Not hard to see my "message", feeling, and assertions.
> Also- if I am "already gone" wtf are you doing responding to my
> message? DUH! what an idiot.
As stated, its for the NON-SexCow readers. (you are not the only
one reading this thread - you are going down in flames in front
of a crowd you know...)
> As far as the "shock value" of my
> "racist" assertion- I intended none. I was simply stating that I feel
> you are a racist bigot. Simple as that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, like anyone is going to believe THAT.
Face it, you HAVE no defence for these people, and what
I say, and attempted to reseort to "shock value" of common
emotionally charged catch-phrazes, and names in hopes of
discrediting me in the visions of reality that I bring.
(so loudspeakers in the streets are NOT brainwashing ??)
Hell! They are so fucked up, they think SATURDAY is MONDAY !!
(how foucked is THAT ??)
>
> > >
> > > That doesnąt mean you are a *racist* out to burn crosses (hopefully),
> > > you simply possess and believe *racist* ideas.
> >
> > Well DUH! Of *course* I do believe *racist* ideas, is that BAD ??
>
> yes.
>
> rac·ism
> noun
> 1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or
> ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
> 2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.
>
>
> > I "believe" that black people should get an extra 20 points on
> > their college entrance application just for being black - a LOT
> > of people believe that.
>
> oooh.. Mr. Liberal. What a load of crap. Nice attempt at trying to
> shift the issue away from your feelings about ARABS though.
Arabs/muslums/islam - all the same.
>
> >
> > > Consider the following
> > > analogy: You are a horny teenaged virgin sexist pervert. You sit in a
> > > room alone with an attractive teenage girl and your perverted thoughts.
> > > You never touch her. Have you committed a crime? No. Did you ever do
> > > anything which approached a crime? No. Should she trust you? No. If you
> > > were her father, would this lack of criminal behavior give you any
> > > peace of mind? Hell no. Every action you could possibly consider with
> > > that girl is greatly colored by the content of your thoughts - which
> > > freely belong to you. Until you can rid yourself of these untoward and
> > > immoral thoughts, it is very likely that any interaction between you
> > > and the girl will be disrespectful at best, and deplorably criminal at
> > > worst.
> >
> > Problem with your little short story is this: "mind control"
> > That is ALL it is. Period! There is only *ONE* person who
> > "knows" if said preverted thoughts exist, and thats the guy
> > sitting IN that room. NOT me, NOT you. *YOU* can not judge
> > *ME* for thoughts/ideas in MY head when you don't know what
> > they are other than loose associations.
>
> I don't need to read your mind- you have stated your glorious opinions
> over and over again regarding Arabs and Muslims, etc., and they are all
> bigoted and racist ideas. That's a fact. If the horny teenager in my
> example were to go around talking like a sick pervert then that would
> be the father's first clue.
Cool...
I'll take a #1 please (make that medium rare too please)
>
>
> > (I believe in giving
> > black people an extra 20 points for being black, and
> > *not* giving a white person the 20 points)
>
> Apples and oranges.
Fruit? - thought I was odering "steak & eggs" !! Wat Up ?
> You have not called for the genocide of black
> people as you have done for Arabs/Muslims.
And the black people are not into brainwashing
voo-doo either.
> You are clouding the issue
> by bringing OTHER race issues in to it.
You're the one that started with "race" Pal !!!
> You know what we are talking
> about- you are just attempting to shift the thread and avoid your
> earier remarks. I can't say as I blame you because so far everything
> out of your mouth has been nonsensical and deluded.
Yeah, whatever. Wait till you, or your family get blown up
by one of them sucide-bombers, then you may think twice about
the voo-doo shit that you defend so much.
>
> > > You
> > > can't back out of it now, as much as you may want to. I guess it makes
> > > you feel better about yourself to proclaim you are not a bigoted
> > > racist,
> >
> > Don't lie - give me due credit, I *am* a racist... (is that bad ?)
>
> Correction: you are a BIGOTED racist who advocates religous persecution.
>
> And yes, that is bad.
>
> rac·ism
> noun
> 1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or
> ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
> 2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.
>
>
> > > but you clearly are one.
> >
> > Well DUH!! - you just now figured that out ??
> >
>
> No- I have been calling you a racist for awhile now.
Cool.
Ahh! - refreshing to see them words again!
> > >
> > > I also find it funny that you are calling your buddy Pres. Bush a liar.
> > > He says the war is <wink wink> NOT on Islam or Muslims, but on the
> > > current regime, yet he has called it a "crusade" over and over again.
> >
> > The was is on Islam, don't let anyone kid you. It's all the same.
> > Actually, if you had any witt about you, and done proper ressearch,
> > you would *know* that this is ALL about "unfinished business" from
> > WWII, and Russia/Communism. Research Saddams fetish with all of
> > Stalins books.
>
> So you are calling Bush a liar. I thought so... just wanted to get my
> facts straight.
>
> > > I guess you can see through his crap as clearly as anyone else.
> >
> > Ahhh bite me.
>
> clever!
>
> > You are FAR too shallow to understand ANY of this.
>
> You are a bigoted racist who admittedly supports religous persecution,
> your opinion is invalid to me.
Then why are you here then ? I DO support religios persecution,
WHO doesn't ?? I spends days on end explaining to you WHY we
in the West are scared of these voo-doo slinging Arabs, and the
fact that they are "breeding" mryterum, and sucide bombing in
young kids' school books - why aren't you looking into THAT !
THEY are the ones that started this "religious persecution".
If they try to bring that shit over HERE, they WILL get "persecuted".
Hell, just turn on the TV - much like they attempted on 911,
WE are now bringing "religious persecution" to THEIR door step.
Bottom line: ? well, thats quite simple my dear Watson...
If they'da NOT got twisted up with their voo-doo religion,
the people getting killed in Iraq wouldn't be in the position
they are in now. Them Saddam loyalist are pissing their pants
right about now. hehe ...
>
> > This Iraq thing is WAY bigger and older than you know.
>
> No- sadly I can see clearly just how big it really is, and it will only
> get bigger as time goes on due to shallow-minded bigoted racists like
> yourself.
Both accords wrong. You know NOT of the history of the communist
involvement in WWII, and the early makings of Saddam/Iraq etc.,
and on the second, according to live footage on TV, its getting
SMALLER !
>
> > Hell, you
> > were still "shitting yellow" when the Communist/Russia/USA thing
> > was going down that caused all of this anyhow.
>
> WTF are you talking about?
But, but, but... You just said above that you KNOW how big
it is! - now you say you DON'T know what I'm talking about ?
BTW, the term "shitting yella" is as old as the hills - its
what we all did when we're little infants/toddlers, shit "yellow"
>
> > Grow up - learn
> > to be a "good" racist -
>
> umm, no.
You DON'T support giving Black folks 20 extra points ?
Dude! - you are a HORABLE person!!!!
>
> rac·ism
> noun
> 1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or
> ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
> 2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.
>
> > learn to "accept" giving black folks the
> > extra 20 points for being black.
>
> Stop trying to shift the issue away from Arabs/Islam/Muslims.
You said "racist". "racist" applies to "any" race, no ?
> So you
> like black folks- who cares? You are selectively racist towards Arabs
> and Muslims, which is wrong.
Ah, Ok, now we're on to somehting. I actually agree with that.
Like I said, if you want to call it "racist" towards arab/mus/islam,
thats fine, thats your call. Its my RIGHT to think/feel/say as I
please, and I will continue to say so. *any* religion that needs
to be FORCED on someone like they do over there, is generally
a VERY BAD and DANGEROUS religion. Period. You know that, *I* know
that, and pretty soon the rest of the world will hear ALL of soon!
Anything *else* on yer mind ??
Sex Cow
You need to learn the dynamics of a conversation. You were responding
to me. In a point/counterpoint discussion you need to address the
points as they arise instead of getting up on a soap box and spewing
forth whatever nonsense you think sounds good.
> > Instead you ramble on about nothing coherent, inventing words
> > to suit your needs, and tossing the english language out the window.
>
> Not hard to see my "message", feeling, and assertions.
>
Nope- not at all: you are an intolerant supremacist monomaniac
segregationist extremist.
>
> > Also- if I am "already gone" wtf are you doing responding to my
> > message? DUH! what an idiot.
>
> As stated, its for the NON-SexCow readers. (you are not the only
> one reading this thread - you are going down in flames in front
> of a crowd you know...)
LOL- I beg to differ. You are the fool that is loudly proclaiming that
you support racist ideology as well as religous persecution. If you
think that is the way that the average Joe here think than you are
seriously mistaken. Except for one or two equally retarded fools I
don't see the group jumping on your bandwagon of hatred.
>
> > As far as the "shock value" of my
> > "racist" assertion- I intended none. I was simply stating that I feel
> > you are a racist bigot. Simple as that.
>
> Yeah, yeah, yeah, like anyone is going to believe THAT.
> Face it, you HAVE no defence for these people, and what
> I say, and attempted to reseort to "shock value" of common
> emotionally charged catch-phrazes, and names in hopes of
> discrediting me in the visions of reality that I bring.
> (so loudspeakers in the streets are NOT brainwashing ??)
> Hell! They are so fucked up, they think SATURDAY is MONDAY !!
> (how foucked is THAT ??)
>
I have never ehxorted the superiority of one race or religion over
another, unlike yourself- that's your baggage, not mine. I am
promoting religous TOLERANCE, not persecution. I may not like anything
having to do with ANY religion, but I am not about to deny anyone else
the right to practice their religion. Just because I understand what
the tenents of a religion are doesn't mean that I believe in them. As
I stated earlier in the thread I do not support the ideals of Islam-
yet you keep trying to paint me in to that corner. I don't support the
ideals of the Catholic church or the Church of Satan, but I recognize
the right for people to belong to those religions as well, without
persecution from people like you.
> >
> > > >
> > > > That doesnąt mean you are a *racist* out to burn crosses (hopefully),
> > > > you simply possess and believe *racist* ideas.
> > >
> > > Well DUH! Of *course* I do believe *racist* ideas, is that BAD ??
> >
> > yes.
> >
> > rac·ism
> > noun
> > 1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or
> > ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
> > 2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.
> >
> >
> > > I "believe" that black people should get an extra 20 points on
> > > their college entrance application just for being black - a LOT
> > > of people believe that.
> >
> > oooh.. Mr. Liberal. What a load of crap. Nice attempt at trying to
> > shift the issue away from your feelings about ARABS though.
>
> Arabs/muslums/islam - all the same.
then why did you bring up blacks? to make you seem more tolerant? It
won't work. that is what I was referring to when I said you were
attempting to shift the issue away from your feelings about Arabs. You
have advocated the killing of all Muslims, so that is what I was
discussing. Your feelings about other races has no bearing on this
discussion.
> > > I *am* a racist - is that BAD ??
> >
> > yes.
> >
> > rac·ism
> > noun
> > 1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or
> > ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
> > 2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.
>
> I'll take a #1 please (make that medium rare too please)
>
> > > (I believe in giving
> > > black people an extra 20 points for being black, and
> > > *not* giving a white person the 20 points)
> >
> > Apples and oranges.
>
> Fruit? - thought I was odering "steak & eggs" !! Wat Up ?
>
a crappy dodge. My point is that your tolerance towards Black people
wins you ZERO points when it comes to your assertion that you are not a
racist. Then you ADMIT to being a racist, and revel in all that is
small-minded and bigoted. Make up your mind.
>
> > You have not called for the genocide of black
> > people as you have done for Arabs/Muslims.
>
> And the black people are not into brainwashing
> voo-doo either.
And that is why I ask again why bring blacks in to this? The point of
my post that you originally respoded to was about Muslims.
> > You are clouding the issue
> > by bringing OTHER race issues in to it.
>
> You're the one that started with "race" Pal !!!
and I don'tmind talking about race issues, since that is the point of
this thread. But what I am referring to is the fact that you brought
OTHER race issues in to this in order to divert attention away from
your hatred of Muslims. It won't work. You have called for the
genocide of Arabs/Islam/Muslims on numerous occasions.
> > You know what we are talking
> > about- you are just attempting to shift the thread and avoid your
> > earier remarks. I can't say as I blame you because so far everything
> > out of your mouth has been nonsensical and deluded.
>
> Yeah, whatever. Wait till you, or your family get blown up
> by one of them sucide-bombers, then you may think twice about
> the voo-doo shit that you defend so much.
I am not defending ONE religion over another- I am promoting religous
TOLERANCE. You are promoting Hitler-like religous presecution.
> > > > Do you want me to repost your
> > > > *racist* and *bigoted* comments for you (and the rest of the group) to
> > > > read?
> > >
> > > Sure - why don't you do that, that would be fun.
> >
> > Here are quotes from you:
> >
> > (from Ghandi) > Are you a racist?
> > Yes! - I *hate* non-American hindu/Arab/Islamic terrorists, *expecally*
> > thoes with screen names of said spiritual leaders/figure heads. "Kwel"
> > screen names: Big bopper, bad dog, hog heaven, Lazy Bastard, tree
> > hugger, etc. etc. "BAD" screen names: Usama bin laden, Yasser Arafat,
> > "Ghandi", etc. etc. Get it?????
> Ahh! - refreshing to see them words again!
What an idiot. To lump Mahatma Ghandi in with Osama Bin Laden is quite
a stretch. The fact that you see no difference shows what a moron you
really are. Now I am starting to actually pity you a little.
> > You are a bigoted racist who admittedly supports religous persecution,
> > your opinion is invalid to me.
>
> Then why are you here then ? I DO support religios persecution,
> WHO doesn't ??
well, *I* *DON'T* and most other GOOD AMERICANS don't. Guess who did?
Your idol Adolf Hitler.
> I spends days on end explaining to you WHY we
> in the West are scared of these voo-doo slinging Arabs, and the
> fact that they are "breeding" mryterum, and sucide bombing in
> young kids' school books - why aren't you looking into THAT !
> THEY are the ones that started this "religious persecution".
So basically you are restating the fact that you have no tolerance for
any differing opinions when it comes to religous viewpoints, and you
feel that Muslims have brought this all down on themselves, and they
deserve to be killed. You should change your nick to Mr. Hitler.
> If they try to bring that shit over HERE, they WILL get "persecuted".
> Hell, just turn on the TV - much like they attempted on 911,
> WE are now bringing "religious persecution" to THEIR door step.
Yavol, mine Commandant!
> Bottom line: ? well, thats quite simple my dear Watson...
> If they'da NOT got twisted up with their voo-doo religion,
> the people getting killed in Iraq wouldn't be in the position
> they are in now. Them Saddam loyalist are pissing their pants
> right about now. hehe ...
There you go lumping "Saddam Loyalists" and all other Muslims together.
Showing your intolerance once again for the world to see.
> >
> > > This Iraq thing is WAY bigger and older than you know.
> >
> > No- sadly I can see clearly just how big it really is, and it will only
> > get bigger as time goes on due to shallow-minded bigoted racists like
> > yourself.
>
> Both accords wrong. You know NOT of the history of the communist
> involvement in WWII, and the early makings of Saddam/Iraq etc.,
You know NOT what I know of.
> and on the second, according to live footage on TV, its getting
> SMALLER !
HUH? what is getting smaller? your brain? Seriously- WTF are you even
referring to in the "its" above?
> >
> > > Hell, you
> > > were still "shitting yellow" when the Communist/Russia/USA thing
> > > was going down that caused all of this anyhow.
> >
> > WTF are you talking about?
>
> But, but, but... You just said above that you KNOW how big
> it is! - now you say you DON'T know what I'm talking about ?
> BTW, the term "shitting yella" is as old as the hills - its
> what we all did when we're little infants/toddlers, shit "yellow"
That is what confused me. I wasn't sure if the "yellow" comment was
about Chinese, or Communist China, or wtf??? As far as the history of
the world and the current political scene I have shown more FACTS and
historical data than you have to back up my assertions. Read the
thread that started off all of this spew. All you can come up with is
loud pronouncements and "hysterical" data (not historical data).
> >
> > > Grow up - learn
> > > to be a "good" racist -
> >
> > umm, no.
>
> You DON'T support giving Black folks 20 extra points ?
> Dude! - you are a HORABLE person!!!!
The "umm, no" was in reference to the "be a good racist" comment, and
you know it. How you feel about blacks and racial bias quotas has no
bearing on your Hitler-like views of Muslims. That is just a piss poor
attempt at a smoke screen.
> > Stop trying to shift the issue away from Arabs/Islam/Muslims.
>
> You said "racist". "racist" applies to "any" race, no ?
No, not at all. Hitler was not racist towards Aryan Germans, but I
think you would still agree he was a racist. Just because you hate one
group of people, but can tolerate another group, that does not dismiss
your hatred to the first group. Apples and oranges yet again.
>
> > So you
> > like black folks- who cares? You are selectively racist towards Arabs
> > and Muslims, which is wrong.
>
> Ah, Ok, now we're on to somehting. I actually agree with that.
> Like I said, if you want to call it "racist" towards arab/mus/islam,
> thats fine, thats your call. Its my RIGHT to think/feel/say as I
> please, and I will continue to say so. *any* religion that needs
> to be FORCED on someone like they do over there, is generally
> a VERY BAD and DANGEROUS religion. Period. You know that, *I* know
> that, and pretty soon the rest of the world will hear ALL of soon!
>
Don't include *ME* in your *WE* Mr. Hitler.
> Anything *else* on yer mind ??
How about those NY Yankees? I am glad to see that the loss of Jeter
will not hurt them too much it seems.
Mr Wizzard
"their God" ? So just how many gods *are* there ?
1?, 2?, 3 perhaps ? Do they all hang out in the
same place? They all live in the same place ?
Do they all have the same power? - or are they
like these giant war-lords that sit around up in
heaven at a big table hose trading? Be like:
Ok, Ok, I'll trade you *two* 7.0 earthquakes in
North America for a flood in Egypt. The other one:
no, no,no - you had the flood *last* time! - I'll
take volcano in the Philipines and a hole in the
ozone, and *you* take the ethnic cleansing in Africa.
The last one: Dang ! you guys are killing me here.
First two: "sucks to be the new guy, eh ?"
Sex Cow
Just because you don't understand someone's religious beliefs is no
reason to make fun of it. Why is the thought of 1 all-powerful god
more plausible thn the thought of thousnds of powerful Gods? To me
they are equally as unlikely, but I am not about to persecute anyone
based on their religous beliefs, or lack thereof.
BTW- nice job of avoiding my other reply and replying to the same post
twice instead. That way it kinda makes it look like you are replying,
without really replying to any of the points I made in my other post.
It has been suggested to me that you really can't be serious about how
you feel on this issue and that you MUST be yanking my chain just to
stir up an argument. They may be right- you seem to like to debate
with people and you often play the devil's advocate it seems. This is
the stand I am going to take, since nobody can really be filled with
that much hatred and intolerance towards others (I hope). Please
correct me if I am wrong.
Sex Cow
<no....@jose.com> wrote:
Also, FYI- Islam, Christianity and Judaism are all Monotheistic. I
think you are confusing Islam with Hinduism once again.
Mr Wizzard
I agree, however, if you back-track in this thread,
you will see *why* that I do. This shit is "dark",
scary, drab, creepy, and frightning, and makes people
feel un-safe, and it promotes them to kill us. Not good.
> Why is the thought of 1 all-powerful god
> more plausible thn the thought of thousnds of powerful Gods?
> To me
> they are equally as unlikely, but I am not about to persecute anyone
> based on their religous beliefs, or lack thereof.
But if someone is teaching hate, and to "march Israel into the sea",
and to kill Americans, then I personally will persecute them.
>
> BTW- nice job of avoiding my other reply and replying to the same post
> twice instead. That way it kinda makes it look like you are replying,
> without really replying to any of the points I made in my other post.
Outline, and enumerate your points. (I believe that I asked you to
do this before, and you ignored me. Could *that* be the reason ??)
`
>
> It has been suggested to me that you really can't be serious about how
> you feel on this issue and that you MUST be yanking my chain just to
> stir up an argument.
3,000 people get killed in New Youk, and so accuse me of kidding ??
> They may be right- you seem to like to debate
> with people and you often play the devil's advocate it seems. This is
> the stand I am going to take, since nobody can really be filled with
> that much hatred and intolerance towards others (I hope). Please
> correct me if I am wrong.
Like you would actually entertain being corrected. Yeah right.
Tell that to the families of the 3,000 people killed in New York.
Mr Wizzard
> > Not hard to see my "message", feeling, and assertions.
> >
> Nope- not at all: you are an intolerant supremacist monomaniac
> segregationist extremist.
That is correct sir. And you are an Anti-American,
Arab/islamic terrorist sympathizer, and therefore we
will never agree.
> > As stated, its for the NON-SexCow readers. (you are not the only
> > one reading this thread - you are going down in flames in front
> > of a crowd you know...)
>
> LOL- I beg to differ. You are the fool that is loudly proclaiming that
> you support racist ideology as well as religous persecution.
I support racism against muslims with anti-American voo-doo religion.
I support racism IN favor of giving blacks 20 extra points.
I support "religious persecution" against muslum voo-doo religion.
> If you
> think that is the way that the average Joe here think than you are
> seriously mistaken.
I'll bet better than 70% of people think/feel the way I do in
their hearts, just don't have the balls to say it.
> Except for one or two equally retarded fools I
> don't see the group jumping on your bandwagon of hatred.
Its not a popularity contest - I'm just telling you the way it is.
(you probably thought Hitler & communism is "Ok" too, huh??)
> > Face it, you HAVE no defence for these people, and what
> > I say, and attempted to reseort to "shock value" of common
> > emotionally charged catch-phrazes, and names in hopes of
> > discrediting me in the visions of reality that I bring.
> > (so loudspeakers in the streets are NOT brainwashing ??)
> > Hell! They are so fucked up, they think SATURDAY is MONDAY !!
> > (how foucked is THAT ??)
> >
>
> I have never ehxorted the superiority of one race or religion over
> another, unlike yourself- that's your baggage, not mine.
So from this I'm to assume that you also support witchcraft,
and the South American religions that kill animals and pets ?
> promoting religous TOLERANCE, not persecution.
And I am not!. I only "tollerate" peacefull, NON harmfull religions.
> I may not like anything
> having to do with ANY religion, but I am not about to deny anyone else
> the right to practice their religion.
And I'm not about to give up my right to NOT be killed either !
> Just because I understand what
> the tenents of a religion are doesn't mean that I believe in them.
When I fear for my life, that shit ALL goes out the window pal !
> As I stated earlier in the thread I do not support the ideals of Islam-
> yet you keep trying to paint me in to that corner.
dude, you ARE in that corner. You want ME to support/promote
something that is DESIGNED to KILL Amaricans! For *that*, I
will NEVER, EVER support (*or* tollerate). Nip that shit in the BUD!
> I don't support the
> ideals of the Catholic church or the Church of Satan, but I recognize
> the right for people to belong to those religions as well, without
> persecution from people like you.
Bullshit. If Catholic/Satan church was teaching people to KILL
Americans you should NOT tollerate it, and speak out AGAINST it,
and make every attempt to wipe that shit OUT. PERIOD !! Look,
we're not arguing "what your favorite color is" or some shit like
that, we're arguing about something that is "mind fuck", and is
brain washing people into KILLING people!! Don't you even SEE that??
> > Arabs/muslums/islam - all the same.
>
> then why did you bring up blacks? to make you seem more tolerant?
No, I did it to show you that even YOU are racist. i.e. if YOU
support giving blacks 20 extra points, then YOU are racist, just
like what you call me. We are "equal" pal!
> It won't work.
It just DID Bucko - look above!
> You have advocated the killing of all Muslims, so that is what I was
> discussing.
Eye for eye... As THEY advocate killing ME, I advocate killing them.
Look, there are 300,000 troops over in Iraq doing the exact same thing.
> Your feelings about other races has no bearing on this
> discussion.
How so ?
> a crappy dodge. My point is that your tolerance towards Black people
> wins you ZERO points when it comes to your assertion that you are not a
> racist.
Why ? I am not racist towards blacks. Are you ?
> Then you ADMIT to being a racist, and revel in all that is
> small-minded and bigoted. Make up your mind.
Just playing the SAME game you are dishing out to me.
YOU are racist towards blacks, so why can't I be racist
to Arabs who are brainwashed with the voo-doo muslim religion ??
So what I'm expecting you to say here is that there is "good"
racism, and "bad" racism. (because that is the reality you know)
> > And the black people are not into brainwashing
> > voo-doo either.
>
> And that is why I ask again why bring blacks in to this? The point of
> my post that you originally respoded to was about Muslims.
And MY point is that YOU too are "racist". See, you are tring to
make a term (like "racist") be a "globally" bad thing, when it is
NOT. It is ALSO not illegal to "stereotype" either.
> > You're the one that started with "race" Pal !!!
>
> and I don'tmind talking about race issues, since that is the point of
> this thread. But what I am referring to is the fact that you brought
> OTHER race issues in to this in order to divert attention away from
> your hatred of Muslims.
No, I *started* in with you about this whole thing about "why"
people are afraid of this religion, then it was YOU that pulled
in the "racim" thing. I'm merely just handing you the rope here.
> It won't work.
Sure it will - turn on the TV.
> You have called for the
> genocide of Arabs/Islam/Muslims on numerous occasions.
Arabs/Islam/Muslims trying to kill US *should* be killed, yea...
(thats whats happening before your eyes in Iraq right now!)
> > Yeah, whatever. Wait till you, or your family get blown up
> > by one of them sucide-bombers, then you may think twice about
> > the voo-doo shit that you defend so much.
>
> I am not defending ONE religion over another- I am promoting religous
> TOLERANCE. You are promoting Hitler-like religous presecution.
Islam is NOT a "religion" to be tollerated. Look, just because
someone calls something a "religion" it should AUTOMATICALLY be
"ok" and free from scrutiny ? Thats fucked dude! WHY fucked.
There needs to be a "criteria" before calling it a "religion"
that is worthy of "tollerating", and one of which is NOT promoting
"death to Amarica" (for starters). Your deal holds NO water.
> > Ahh! - refreshing to see them words again!
>
> What an idiot. To lump Mahatma Ghandi in with Osama Bin Laden is quite
> a stretch.
WHY ?? - Its all "religion", RIGHT ?? And all "religion" should
be TOLLERATED, right! See my point ?? ...what a dick.
Mr Wizzard
Again, any "thing" that involves large speaker towers in the streets
that belch out "injured animal sounding" morning prayers at 4:30 AM,
prayer rugs, having to stick your face on the nasty ground 5 times a
day, and a "creed" book that says march people into the sea, it a
"cult", NOT a religion. PERIOD. Cults DO shit like this. Wake up!
At least Hinduism Christianity and Judaism all keep to themselves.
Mr Wizzard
Bottom line:
If you were to spend just HALF of the time and energy talking to
THEM about religious "tollerance", and tollerance towards Americans,
as you do badgering US into trying to accept their ill-tollerance
towards us, nobody would'nt even BE in the situation we are in NOW.
And that is my *final* answer!
> In article <b77939f6.03032...@posting.google.com>, Mr
> Wizzard <wizza...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Sex Cow <no...@jose.com> wrote in message
> > news:<280320031719330813%no...@jose.com>...
> >
> > > In article <280320031708200443%no...@jose.com>, Sex Cow
> > > <no...@jose.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > , you are correct that it's strictly off-limits to non-Muslims.
> >
> > ...And this is the "religious tolerance" that you speek of ??
> > Do you see my POINT??
>
> Nice job of replying to 2 lines in a 43 line post. I guess the rest
> was just too much for you to understand, or them words was too big
> again. As far as religous tolerance goes you have shown that you have
> shown no real interest in furthering any "religous tolerance" in your
> previous racist and bigoted posts.
>
> >
> >
> > > there's no way non-Muslims can enter the capital of the Islamic world.
> >
> > ...and you call this "religious tolerance" huh?. See, not only
> > does this stuff *NOT* have religious tolerance, (which in itSELF
> > is lame), but then you turn around and fucking LIE about it.
>
> How did I *LIE* ? please point out where I *LIED* about anything. Just
> because you choose not to see beyond yourself doesn't mean I am a liar,
> it just means you are narrow-minded.
>
> >
> > (sorry about swearing), but look it, all we're asking YOU to
> > do is to "evaluate" what I am saying to you.
>
> I have evaluated every word so far, and I must honestly say that you
> are either one of the biggest bullshitters I have ever met online, or
> one of the biggest racists.
>
> > There is NO one
> > here saying you should NOT do the voo-doo shit that you do, or
> > *believe* the crap that you do,
>
> No- you just wanna kill those people that feel differently so it can
> "give you wood." You have some strange necrophiliac type sexual
> perversions there.
>
> > but what I *AM* saying to you
> > is this: YOU have to bear the responsibility for the fear,
> > missunderstanding, and snears that you, or this thing generates.
>
> And nobody else should bear any responsibility whatsoever... right?
>
> > *YOU* have the moral obligation to ACCEPT that you *ARE*
> > different, and that you may not always gain the acceptance
> > that a mainstream practice affords.
>
> Yes, the Universal Life Church is not mainstream, I'll give you that.
>
> > You need to be able
> > to look me square in the face and say: "Yea, I *DO* realize
> > that what we do IS in fact different, and scary looking,
> > and I *UNDERSTAND* that your blonde-haired, blue-eyed
> > white American kids would be scared to *death* to walk
> > into a voo-doo session BUT, I can take the time to work
> > extra hard to show you that what we do is safe, and welcoming."
> > If you sir, can do *that*, you would be able to do MORE
> > in convincing us that this thing is not all the bad things
> > that we are so scared of.
>
> We obviously live in very different worlds, thankfully.
Sex Cow
> Sex Cow wrote
>
> > > Not hard to see my "message", feeling, and assertions.
> > >
> > Nope- not at all: you are an intolerant supremacist monomaniac
> > segregationist extremist.
>
> That is correct sir. And you are an Anti-American,
> Arab/islamic terrorist sympathizer, and therefore we
> will never agree.
WRONG! I am NOT anti-american, quite the contrary. I support our
troops fully, but not the policies (or the so-called President) that
has put them in danger. I feel that each American that is over there
is a hero (and that includes the MUSLIM americans that are in the
military). This country is based on the BILL OF RIGHTS, which I suggest
you read, since many of your ideas fly right in the face of it.
Particularly pay attention to the first ammendment. Just because I
voice displeasure at the current administration and it's policies that
does not give you the right to label me a "terrorist sympathizer."
That is quite a stretch. I suppose you feel that anyone who ever has a
dissenting voice is unpatriotic. YOU are the unpatriotic and
unamerican one if you don't believe in the Bill of Rights.
>
> > > As stated, its for the NON-SexCow readers. (you are not the only
> > > one reading this thread - you are going down in flames in front
> > > of a crowd you know...)
> >
> > LOL- I beg to differ. You are the fool that is loudly proclaiming that
> > you support racist ideology as well as religous persecution.
>
> I support racism against muslims with anti-American voo-doo religion.
> I support racism IN favor of giving blacks 20 extra points.
You need to buy a dictionary and look up the word "racism." You can't
go around making up your own definition as it suits you- *racism* means
that you feel that one race is superior to another. Period. End of
story. I find it sad that you feel that blacks are superior to whites,
or vice-versa. We are all human beings and all deserve equal respect
when it comes to our race. How sad for you to feel that way.
> I support "religious persecution" against muslum voo-doo religion.
Like I said... very *un-american* .
> > If you
> > think that is the way that the average Joe here think than you are
> > seriously mistaken.
>
> I'll bet better than 70% of people think/feel the way I do in
> their hearts, just don't have the balls to say it.
How in hell do you get that idea? Just because you see an opinion poll
that say that 70% of americans currently support the war does not meant
that 70% of all americans are as small-minded as you are.
> > Except for one or two equally retarded fools I
> > don't see the group jumping on your bandwagon of hatred.
>
> Its not a popularity contest - I'm just telling you the way it is.
> (you probably thought Hitler & communism is "Ok" too, huh??)
>
No, but you seem to be a big fan of many of Hitler's ideas yourself.
Namely- religous persecution and prejudiced ideology.
> > I have never ehxorted the superiority of one race or religion over
> > another, unlike yourself- that's your baggage, not mine.
>
> So from this I'm to assume that you also support witchcraft,
> and the South American religions that kill animals and pets ?
Why are you trying to pick apart what I do or don't "support"? Just
because I think that people should have the freedom to practice their
religion doesn't mean I beleive that religion personally... ever hear
this saying?: "I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend -
with my life - your right to say it." This also applies to RELIGION,
even MORESO, since it is in the BILL OF RIGHTS!
People have an inherent RIGHT to believe anything they want to, without
persecution based on those beliefs- that is a basic belief that THIS
country that you claim to be so proud of, was built on. This is not to
say that anyone should be able to go around breaking any laws they want
to just because it is in their religous beliefs, but just because a
religion appears to be "scary" and "voo-doolike" to you is not reason
enough to call for nukes to rain down on innocent people, so you can
get "wood."
> > promoting religous TOLERANCE, not persecution.
>
> And I am not!. I only "tollerate" peacefull, NON harmfull religions.
Why *not* tolerate ALL religions? Are you afraid of the boogeyman,
too? Better get out the tinfoil hat...
> > I may not like anything
> > having to do with ANY religion, but I am not about to deny anyone else
> > the right to practice their religion.
>
> And I'm not about to give up my right to NOT be killed either !
GOOD! But, nobody is talking about killing you. We are talking about
the right of people to worship as they wish. No *religion* calls for
the killing of YOU. Get a grip. geesh.
> > Just because I understand what
> > the tenents of a religion are doesn't mean that I believe in them.
>
> When I fear for my life, that shit ALL goes out the window pal !
AHH, so now the truth comes out. You *are* afraid of the boogeyman.
Don't let your fears dictate who you are. Fear is certainly a very
great curse, and it has deep roots in our nature. Add to that the fact
that further fear is educated into us. Very unwisely, adults play on a
childąs fears in order to control him or her. A patter of fear then
becomes second nature, and this is the main cause of aggression in our
world. But how do we try to control our fears, in fact? In the same
way, probably, that we try to control anything whatsoever. Each person
will attempt to control fear by the same methods that he or she uses to
control children, animals, or indeed anything at all that needs
control. How do you try to control your children, for example? Is your
method wise and successful? If so, then that would probably be a good
way to control your fears too! People have different ways of
controlling children. Some do it by being cruel, or by allowing them no
freedom at all, or by spying on everything they do, or by being distant
and censorious, or by belittling them (I know a few who do that), or by
trying to make them nervous and fearful of everything. I think most
people, when they think about it, would consider all these methods
wrong. Wise people tell us that the only way to control children is to
understand them. Of course there is a cold clinical sort of
understanding that may well do more harm than good. But real human
understanding has warmth built into it - in a word: love. A
psychiatrist friend told me that her method with her own children was,
łLove Śem like hell, and let Śem alone!˛ In her case, at any rate, it
seems to have worked very well: they all grew up to be fine people. The
great difficulty is that it is so very hard to think clearly in oneąs
own case. It is easier to advise other people, because we don't have
their blind spots (even though we have our own). Our own affairs are so
close to us - like the glasses on our nose - that we cannot easily see
them. Fear is one of these affairs, if not the principal one.
So, how do we control our fears? By repressing them? That is the same
as being cruel to your children, or over-controlling. Your fears hide
from you then, by telling you lies - just like over-controlled
children. By belittling them? łThereąs nothing to be afraid of!˛ But if
there is nothing to be afraid of, why are you afraid? Fear is a fact
about you when youąre afraid, and you don't need people (even
yourself!) telling you itąs not a fact! By always giving in to them and
taking at face value everything they tell us? Obviously not. We need
instead to *understand* our fears. In order to understand them we need
to *look* at them, and STUDY them in a clear-headed manner. Why not
look at our fears now rather than later on when they have had time to
disguise themselves and to poison our whole life? Don't let your fears
dictate to you; hold your ground, don't run away! It is like developing
confidence in yourself as a father or mother.
> > As I stated earlier in the thread I do not support the ideals of Islam-
> > yet you keep trying to paint me in to that corner.
>
> dude, you ARE in that corner.
NO, I am not- you think I am so you keep adressing me as if I support
Islamic ideals PERSONALLY- and I don't, but I am not about to advocate
kiling an entire country of people based on the actions of their
leaders, as you do. The nukes you are advocating dropping on Iraq
would not discriminate between "good Muslims" and "bad Muslims," they
kill everyone equally. Are you saying that you feel that the Iraqi
citizen who led the coalition forces to Jennifer Lynch should be nuked?
If not, how are you going to tell the nukes who to kill, and who to
avoid? Iraq is filled with MILLIONS of good people that have been
repressed and controlled by a few thugs, and THOSE are the people we
are going after (the thugs), not all of Islam, *despite* what you may
think.
> You want ME to support/promote
> something that is DESIGNED to KILL Amaricans! For *that*, I
> will NEVER, EVER support (*or* tollerate). Nip that shit in the BUD!
There goes that boogeyman again... better hide under your covers. You
know NOTHING about Muslims or Islam - you are just reacting based upon
the way the LOOK- and you have said so MANY times.
> > I don't support the
> > ideals of the Catholic church or the Church of Satan, but I recognize
> > the right for people to belong to those religions as well, without
> > persecution from people like you.
>
> Bullshit. If Catholic/Satan church was teaching people to KILL
> Americans you should NOT tollerate it,
> and speak out AGAINST it,
> and make every attempt to wipe that shit OUT. PERIOD !!
LOL- The Catholic church has a *long* bloody history, and their
teachings are _filled_ with hateful doctrine, but I am not advocating
bombing the Vatican just because I find their religion to be
oppressively scary. You, on the other hand, are jacking off to the
death and terror of many innocent civilians. You are a sick and
twisted pervert if that type of thing "gives you wood." I suggest you
read a history book (preferably one with a lot of pictures and one that
doesn't use a lot of big words so you can understand it better).
> Look,
> we're not arguing "what your favorite color is" or some shit like
> that, we're arguing about something that is "mind fuck", and is
> brain washing people into KILLING people!! Don't you even SEE that??
You have shown over and over again that you know absolutely NOTHING
about the thing you fear most. In fact, you recently even suggested
that Muslims might believe in more than one god, which shows just how
*LITTLE* you know about their religion. Until you can show at least a
bit of understand of what it is that you fear then you are simply a
joke, and nothing better.
> > > Arabs/muslums/islam - all the same.
> >
> > then why did you bring up blacks? to make you seem more tolerant?
>
> No, I did it to show you that even YOU are racist. i.e. if YOU
> support giving blacks 20 extra points, then YOU are racist, just
> like what you call me. We are "equal" pal!
Again- you need to buy a dictionary and look up the word "racism." You
can't go around making up your own definition as it suits you- *racism*
means that you feel that one race is superior to another. Period. End
of story. It does not mean that you hold ideas about race- that is
ludicrous. I find it sad that you feel that blacks are superior to
whites, or vice-versa. We are all human beings and all deserve equal
respect when it comes to our race. How sad for you to feel that way.
Also, you obviously don't understand the history of racial bias quotas
if you think that quotas=racism. Quotas are in place because the
scales have been tipped too far one way, so now we need to tip them
back the other way a bit in order to attempt to EQUAL (ie: balance)
things out. This does not mean that blacks are superior to whites, or
vice versa, it just means that the enrollment qualifications at most
schools have been biased towards whites for centuries, and now people
are attmepting to EQUAL things out. There goes that word again:
EQUALITY. Equality does not equal racism, in fact quite the opposite.
> > It won't work.
>
> It just DID Bucko - look above!
I see nothing but ignorance and hate spewing from your mouth. You have
shown absolutely ZERO kowledge of Islam, yet you have called for their
elimination on several occasions. You have proven NOTHING exept for
the fact that you are an ignorant small-minded bigoted racist, and that
you are proud to be one. YEE-HAH! Man, I really feel sorry for the
Boy Scouts that you hang around. Hopefully they will learn from you as
a negative example.
> > Your feelings about OTHER races or religions have no bearing on this
> > discussion.
>
> How so ?
As I have said MANY TIMES BEFORE- you can be openly prejudiced towards
one group of people while supporting another- this is nothing new- just
ask your Nazi or KKK friends at your next meeting.
> > a crappy dodge. My point is that your tolerance towards Black people
> > wins you ZERO points when it comes to your assertion that you are not a
> > racist.
>
> Why ? I am not racist towards blacks. Are you ?
>
No. I am not racist towards any group of people. Why do you assume I
am NOT black myself? The fact is that I do not support racist ideology
of any sort, since racism means you feel that *one* race is _superior_
to *another* . That type of thinking went out in the 50's, at least
with anyone with half a brain, or anyone that isn't married to their
sister.
> > Then you ADMIT to being a racist, and revel in all that is
> > small-minded and bigoted. Make up your mind.
>
> Just playing the SAME game you are dishing out to me.
> YOU are racist towards blacks, so why can't I be racist
> to Arabs who are brainwashed with the voo-doo muslim religion ??
This is not a GAME, perhaps that's where your problem lies. *I* am not
racist, since racists believe that ONE race is superior to ANOTHER.
period. *YOU* *ARE* a bigoted racist, and you happily and loudly
proclaim that fact, which is very sad.
> So what I'm expecting you to say here is that there is "good"
> racism, and "bad" racism. (because that is the reality you know)
WRONG! Since racism means that you hold one race as being superior to
another. There is *NO* "good" racism. All of it is *BAD. Get that
idea out of your head.
> > > And the black people are not into brainwashing
> > > voo-doo either.
> >
> > And that is why I ask again why bring blacks in to this? The point of
> > my post that you originally respoded to was about Muslims.
>
> And MY point is that YOU too are "racist".
You have yet to prove that I feel that one race is superior to another.
That is all you, not me.
> See, you are tring to
> make a term (like "racist") be a "globally" bad thing, when it is
> NOT. It is ALSO not illegal to "stereotype" either.
Racism = *BAD* . period. We are not talking ILLEGAL here- we are
talking IMMORAL. Stereotyping is indicative of a person who is
prejudiced and bigoted, so I am not surprised that you feel that
stereotyping is a good thing to do, either. Instead you should learn
to be less judgemental, and try to understand other people more. That
is the mature and responsible thing to do.
> > You have called for the
> > genocide of Arabs/Islam/Muslims on numerous occasions.
>
> Arabs/Islam/Muslims trying to kill US *should* be killed, yea...
> (thats whats happening before your eyes in Iraq right now!)
so the 4 year old girl I saw on TV that had been hit by one of our
bombs is trying to kill US? Wow- what a devious little girl.
> > > Yeah, whatever. Wait till you, or your family get blown up
> > > by one of them sucide-bombers, then you may think twice about
> > > the voo-doo shit that you defend so much.
> >
> > I am not defending ONE religion over another- I am promoting religous
> > TOLERANCE. You are promoting Hitler-like religous presecution.
>
> Islam is NOT a "religion" to be tollerated. Look, just because
> someone calls something a "religion" it should AUTOMATICALLY be
> "ok" and free from scrutiny ? Thats fucked dude! WHY fucked.
> There needs to be a "criteria" before calling it a "religion"
> that is worthy of "tollerating", and one of which is NOT promoting
> "death to Amarica" (for starters).
Read the first amendment to the Bill of Rights, and actually learn some
facts about Islam insted of spouting out your ass- then we'll talk.
> Your deal holds NO water.
WTF are you talking about? What "deal" are you referring to? Religous
Freedom? Wow - how unamerican.
> > > Ahh! - refreshing to see them words again!
> >
> > What an idiot. To lump Mahatma Ghandi in with Osama Bin Laden is quite
> > a stretch.
>
> WHY ?? - Its all "religion", RIGHT ?? And all "religion" should
> be TOLLERATED, right! See my point ?? ...what a dick.
That was really a crappy dodge. All religious beliefs SHOULD be
tolerated. That was _not_ the point you were trying to make in the
post of yours that I quoted. You you called Mahatma Ghandi a
terrorist, and you said you HATED him. You simply proved what a
narrow-minded bigoted prejudiced imbecile asshole you really are- ONCE
AGAIN! You have quite a knack for that.
Mr Wizzard
> Mr Hitler wrote:
> > Sex Cow wrote
> >
> > > > Not hard to see my "message", feeling, and assertions.
> > > >
> > > Nope- not at all: you are an intolerant supremacist monomaniac
> > > segregationist extremist.
> >
> > That is correct sir. And you are an Anti-American,
> > Arab/islamic terrorist sympathizer, and therefore we
> > will never agree.
>
> WRONG! I am NOT anti-american, quite the contrary. I support our
> troops fully, but not the policies (or the so-called President) that
> has put them in danger. I feel that each American that is over there
> is a hero (and that includes the MUSLIM americans that are in the
> military). This country is based on the BILL OF RIGHTS, which I suggest
> you read, since many of your ideas fly right in the face of it.
> Particularly pay attention to the first ammendment. Just because I
> voice displeasure at the current administration and it's policies that
> does not give you the right to label me a "terrorist sympathizer."
Little oxy-moron ? "gives you the right", but does not "give me the right"
as you mention in this sentance? - Hoz THAT work ? How could I
NOT have rights that *you* have ? - you got some "special" rights ?
What you *should* have said was: : have no "basis" to call you xyz,
as I have to "right" to do, say, think as I please (much as you do.)
> That is quite a stretch. I suppose you feel that anyone who ever has a
> dissenting voice is unpatriotic.
No, only those that do not adhear to certain "ground rules".
> YOU are the unpatriotic and
> unamerican one if you don't believe in the Bill of Rights.
I adhear to certain ground rules that *affords* me my patriotic ways.
>
> >
> > > > As stated, its for the NON-SexCow readers. (you are not the only
> > > > one reading this thread - you are going down in flames in front
> > > > of a crowd you know...)
> > >
> > > LOL- I beg to differ. You are the fool that is loudly proclaiming
that
> > > you support racist ideology as well as religous persecution.
> >
> > I support racism against muslims with anti-American voo-doo religion.
> > I support racism IN favor of giving blacks 20 extra points.
>
> You need to buy a dictionary and look up the word "racism." You can't
> go around making up your own definition as it suits you- *racism* means
> that you feel that one race is superior to another. Period. End of
> story. I find it sad that you feel that blacks are superior to whites,
> or vice-versa. We are all human beings and all deserve equal respect
> when it comes to our race. How sad for you to feel that way.
If you are so consumed by "sadness", check into anti-depressants.
Again, YOU feel that blacks are superior to whites and vica-versa.
If you DIDN'T, you would support *equal* point system for both,
black *and* whites. Anything less is racism buy *any* definition.
>
> > I support "religious persecution" against muslum voo-doo religion.
>
> Like I said... very *un-american* .
I think is "Pro American" to be tollerant to religions that are
tollerant to us, and to be hostile to religions that are hostile to us.
>
> > > If you
> > > think that is the way that the average Joe here think than you are
> > > seriously mistaken.
> >
> > I'll bet better than 70% of people think/feel the way I do in
> > their hearts, just don't have the balls to say it.
>
> How in hell do you get that idea?
Polls are over the place.
> Just because you see an opinion poll
> that say that 70% of americans currently support the war does not meant
> that 70% of all americans are as small-minded as you are.
Saw some more elaborate polling data on the http://cbsnew.com site.
>
> > > Except for one or two equally retarded fools I
> > > don't see the group jumping on your bandwagon of hatred.
> >
> > Its not a popularity contest - I'm just telling you the way it is.
> > (you probably thought Hitler & communism is "Ok" too, huh??)
> >
>
> No, but you seem to be a big fan of many of Hitler's ideas yourself.
> Namely- religous persecution and prejudiced ideology.
Thats correct.
>
> > > I have never ehxorted the superiority of one race or religion over
> > > another, unlike yourself- that's your baggage, not mine.
> >
> > So from this I'm to assume that you also support witchcraft,
> > and the South American religions that kill animals and pets ?
>
> Why are you trying to pick apart what I do or don't "support"?
Because you have no "character", thats why. You think in on/off
mode, whereas Americans are "dynamic" thinkers, thats why.
> because I think that people should have the freedom to practice their
> religion doesn't mean I beleive that religion personally...
You support, and are willing to turn your head to somehting that
is hurting Americans and America just so you can say you are
"tollerant", and that is morally iresponsable by all standards.
> ever hear
> this saying?: "I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend -
> with my life - your right to say it." This also applies to RELIGION,
> even MORESO, since it is in the BILL OF RIGHTS!
That would be all well and good if that "something" was inert and harmless.
To support something that IS harmless, and willing to "die" for it makes
you the EXACT same thing that we are cutting the head off of right NOW
in Iraq, and in the war on terrorism.
>
> People have an inherent RIGHT to believe anything they want to,
And we have the inherent RIGHT to attack those things that
threaten us and our security.
> without
> persecution based on those beliefs- that is a basic belief that THIS
> country that you claim to be so proud of, was built on.
You keep failing to overlook a few basic exceptions. Like the fact
that you do NOT have the right to yell fire in a theater.
Lesson being: play all you want with blow-up dolls, or womans
panties etc., but you fuck with the security of the USA or its
people, and you're gonna get "burnt". Push it and find out.
> This is not to
> say that anyone should be able to go around breaking any laws they want
> to just because it is in their religous beliefs, but just because a
> religion appears to be "scary" and "voo-doolike" to you is not reason
> enough to call for nukes to rain down on innocent people, so you can
> get "wood."
Sure it is. The days of "wait till they spank us" like Pearl Harbor,
and 9/11 are LONG gone dude. Every hear that saying:
"We will never forget" ?? No more pal. No fucking more.
Too harsh for ya ? Don't "trust" that the USA can keep
this new doctrine in "check" ? Then move to France - they
will *always* wait to get spanked first, hell, the'll even turn
the other cheek.
>
> > > promoting religous TOLERANCE, not persecution.
> >
> > And I am not!. I only "tollerate" peacefull, NON harmfull religions.
>
> Why *not* tolerate ALL religions? Are you afraid of the boogeyman,
> too? Better get out the tinfoil hat...
Can you not read ? look at the above sentance. I "tollerate" peacefull
religions, NOT harmfull religions. Why do you insist that I support
harmfull, non tollerant religions?? Why not spend this time and energy
on these harmfull, and NON tollerant religions and GET them to be
"tollerant" and non harmfull ?? Would that not be a BETTER approach?
Answer me that! - WHY aren't you tring to get this NON tollerant
religion to STOP teaching this shit in their schools ? Hell, even Hillary
Clinton made a strong statement about this ! Why can't YOU ??
>
> > > I may not like anything
> > > having to do with ANY religion, but I am not about to deny anyone else
> > > the right to practice their religion.
> >
> > And I'm not about to give up my right to NOT be killed either !
>
> GOOD! But, nobody is talking about killing you. We are talking about
> the right of people to worship as they wish. No *religion* calls for
> the killing of YOU. Get a grip. geesh.
Hol lee fuck.... you are thick as a brick. Do you NOT know how this
religion is teaching Jihad, and sucide bombing in their church and schools ?
There is NO way you can be THAT fucking dumb and blind. No way.
>
> > > Just because I understand what
> > > the tenents of a religion are doesn't mean that I believe in them.
> >
> > When I fear for my life, that shit ALL goes out the window pal !
>
> AHH, so now the truth comes out. You *are* afraid of the boogeyman.
Very MUCH so - where have you been ???
> Don't let your fears dictate who you are.
Bullshit ! - go tell THAT to the families of the victims of 911 !!
> Fear is certainly a very
> great curse, and it has deep roots in our nature. Add to that the fact
> that further fear is educated into us. Very unwisely, adults play on a
> childąs fears in order to control him or her. A patter of fear then
> becomes second nature, and this is the main cause of aggression in our
> world. But how do we try to control our fears, in fact? In the same
> way, probably, that we try to control anything whatsoever. Each person
> will attempt to control fear by the same methods that he or she uses to
> control children, animals, or indeed anything at all that needs
> control. How do you try to control your children, for example? Is your
> method wise and successful? If so, then that would probably be a good
> way to control your fears too! People have different ways of
> controlling children. Some do it by being cruel, or by allowing them no
> freedom at all, or by spying on everything they do, or by being distant
> and censorious, or by belittling them (I know a few who do that), or by
> trying to make them nervous and fearful of everything. I think most
> people, when they think about it, would consider all these methods
> wrong. Wise people tell us that the only way to control children is to
> understand them. Of course there is a cold clinical sort of
> understanding that may well do more harm than good. But real human
> understanding has warmth built into it - in a word: love. A
> psychiatrist friend told me that her method with her own children was,
> łLove Oem like hell, and let Oem alone!˛ In her case, at any rate, it
> seems to have worked very well: they all grew up to be fine people. The
> great difficulty is that it is so very hard to think clearly in oneąs
> own case. It is easier to advise other people, because we don't have
> their blind spots (even though we have our own). Our own affairs are so
> close to us - like the glasses on our nose - that we cannot easily see
> them. Fear is one of these affairs, if not the principal one.
>
> So, how do we control our fears? By repressing them? That is the same
> as being cruel to your children, or over-controlling. Your fears hide
> from you then, by telling you lies - just like over-controlled
> children. By belittling them? łThereąs nothing to be afraid of!˛ But if
> there is nothing to be afraid of, why are you afraid? Fear is a fact
> about you when youąre afraid, and you don't need people (even
> yourself!) telling you itąs not a fact! By always giving in to them and
> taking at face value everything they tell us? Obviously not. We need
> instead to *understand* our fears. In order to understand them we need
> to *look* at them, and STUDY them in a clear-headed manner. Why not
> look at our fears now rather than later on when they have had time to
> disguise themselves and to poison our whole life? Don't let your fears
> dictate to you; hold your ground, don't run away! It is like developing
> confidence in yourself as a father or mother.
All that bable is COMPLETE and utter BULLSHIT, and you KNOW it!
This religion TEACHES them to grow up and become sucude bombers,
and they PRAISE that. How in gods name can you POSSIBLY
support this then turn around and tell ME not to "be afraid" ???
To THAT, I can only say: "fear not" that mighty American miliraty
hardware, as that big ole Orange MOAB will not hurt you !
>
> > > As I stated earlier in the thread I do not support the ideals of
Islam-
> > > yet you keep trying to paint me in to that corner.
> >
> > dude, you ARE in that corner.
>
> NO, I am not- you think I am so you keep adressing me as if I support
> Islamic ideals PERSONALLY- and I don't, but I am not about to advocate
> kiling an entire country of people based on the actions of their
> leaders, as you do.
Support it or not, its happening, and will happen. The entire "world" will
wage battle on a religion that teaches youngsters to do jihad, and that its
"honorable" to become a sucide bomber. The civilized world will no longer
tollerate this.
> The nukes you are advocating dropping on Iraq
> would not discriminate between "good Muslims" and "bad Muslims," they
> kill everyone equally.
There *are* no good muslums there. If there WERE, they wouldn't
BE there tring to kill us.
> Are you saying that you feel that the Iraqi
> citizen who led the coalition forces to Jennifer Lynch should be nuked?
I am saying that he needs to "lose" the voo-doo religion but QUICK,
and get on the STICK about going after the brainwashed fucks that
are teaching and promoting the killing of Americans. If he does NOT
do that, and "distance" himself from that somehow, then he will be a
target. You can't have it both ways.
> If not, how are you going to tell the nukes who to kill, and who to
> avoid?
Simple, we don't use nukes, and we do exactally what we are doing
in Iraq right now. And thats my point exactally - you "dabble" in that
voo-doo
stuff, and you are going to be a target, thus WHY they have a HUGE
insentive to change ways, and lose the voo-doo. They can't have it both
ways - we are no longer going to tollerate antagonistic envelope pushers.
> Iraq is filled with MILLIONS of good people that have been
> repressed and controlled by a few thugs,
Then they need to single themselves out and identify themselves!
If they want to hide, and push the envelope, and dilly-dally about
whether or not they want us to "liberate" them, then they are going
to either be killed, or left behind. You can lead a horse to water,
but you can't make him drink. They need to get on the stick!
> and THOSE are the people we
> are going after (the thugs), not all of Islam, *despite* what you may
> think.
If they are all blended together, THEN what do we do ?
(can't have it both ways).
>
> > You want ME to support/promote
> > something that is DESIGNED to KILL Amaricans! For *that*, I
> > will NEVER, EVER support (*or* tollerate). Nip that shit in the BUD!
>
> There goes that boogeyman again... better hide under your covers.
Fuck hiding! thats what the bunker busters, MOABs, and cruse missles
are for!
> You
> know NOTHING about Muslims or Islam - you are just reacting based upon
> the way the LOOK- and you have said so MANY times.
Bullshit! - I've done MORE research on it than you can even DREAM of!
>
> > > I don't support the
> > > ideals of the Catholic church or the Church of Satan, but I recognize
> > > the right for people to belong to those religions as well, without
> > > persecution from people like you.
> >
> > Bullshit. If Catholic/Satan church was teaching people to KILL
> > Americans you should NOT tollerate it,
> > and speak out AGAINST it,
> > and make every attempt to wipe that shit OUT. PERIOD !!
>
> LOL- The Catholic church has a *long* bloody history, and their
> teachings are _filled_ with hateful doctrine,
Really ?? Is the world full of Catholic schools teaching kids
to grow up to be sucide bombers, and that you will be glorified
and rewarded to become a sucide bomber, to to "march Israel
into the sea"?? I wanna see it. You are a shallow coward to
assert this argument. (and you know that). Are Catholics
walking around blowing themselves up? 40 years old, and
I have NEVER heard of a Catholic induced sucide bomber.
> but I am not advocating
> bombing the Vatican just because I find their religion to be
> oppressively scary.
Catholics are not oppressively scary. Not are they teaching
kids to be sucide bombers, and to kill Americans.
> You, on the other hand, are jacking off to the
> death and terror of many innocent civilians.
How did "sex" get involved with your teachings ?
I am talking about going after a voo-doo situation
whereby they are "breeding" sucide bombers,
and killers.
> You are a sick and
> twisted pervert if that type of thing "gives you wood."
*I* am ?? hummm lets see, YOU keep bringing up
sex and "wood", and suddenly *I* am the pervert ???
(and you call ME twisted ?)
> I suggest you
> read a history book (preferably one with a lot of pictures and one that
> doesn't use a lot of big words so you can understand it better).
I'd smoke you any day of the week on history Pal !!
>
> > Look,
> > we're not arguing "what your favorite color is" or some shit like
> > that, we're arguing about something that is "mind fuck", and is
> > brain washing people into KILLING people!! Don't you even SEE that??
>
> You have shown over and over again that you know absolutely NOTHING
> about the thing you fear most.
Thats a bet thats HIGHLY stacked against you.
> In fact, you recently even suggested
> that Muslims might believe in more than one god, which shows just how
> *LITTLE* you know about their religion.
And that was a joke aimed straight at you'r lack of your understanding
of basic communication and debate. But you missed it. "their god"
implies that another group has another god as well.
Alla + Christ = *two* Gods.
> Until you can show at least a
> bit of understand of what it is that you fear then you are simply a
> joke, and nothing better.
yeah, it WAS a joke, but you missed it.
>
> > > > Arabs/muslums/islam - all the same.
> > >
> > > then why did you bring up blacks? to make you seem more tolerant?
> >
> > No, I did it to show you that even YOU are racist. i.e. if YOU
> > support giving blacks 20 extra points, then YOU are racist, just
> > like what you call me. We are "equal" pal!
>
> Again- you need to buy a dictionary and look up the word "racism." You
> can't go around making up your own definition as it suits you- *racism*
> means that you feel that one race is superior to another. Period. End
> of story. It does not mean that you hold ideas about race- that is
> ludicrous. I find it sad that you feel that blacks are superior to
> whites, or vice-versa.
No, YOU also feel that blacks are superior to whites and visa-versa..
why *ELSE* would you support giving blacks 20 extra points ???
If those two groups were so EQUAL, then why not TREAT them
equal ?? Why do you have to go around in life pissing in the fan
and telling people its raining ?? Explain that will ya ??
> We are all human beings and all deserve equal
But you favor treating blacks UN-equal.
Care to EXPLAIN that for the readers ??
> respect when it comes to our race. How sad for you to feel that way.
But YOU treat people UN-equal too!! Why is it that at least *I*
have the courage to ADMIDT that I treat people different, and you
can't even be true to yourself ?? You say that you SUPPORT giving
blacks 20 extra points, but in the very next sentance, you say that
you treat people "equal". Giving blacks 20 extra points is NOT
treating two groups "equal" last time I checked....
> Also, you obviously don't understand the history of racial bias quotas
> if you think that quotas=racism. Quotas are in place because the
> scales have been tipped too far one way, so now we need to tip them
> back the other way a bit in order to attempt to EQUAL (ie: balance)
> things out. This does not mean that blacks are superior to whites, or
> vice versa, it just means that the enrollment qualifications at most
> schools have been biased towards whites for centuries, and now people
> are attmepting to EQUAL things out. There goes that word again:
> EQUALITY. Equality does not equal racism, in fact quite the opposite.
Giving blacks 20 extra points is NOT "equality" - its racism. You can
sugar coat it any way you like, but even some of the most prestigous
people call it what is - reverse "racism", NOT equality.
bias toward one group and not the other is NOT "equality".
NON bias IS "equality".
>
> > > It won't work.
> >
> > It just DID Bucko - look above!
>
> I see nothing but ignorance and hate spewing from your mouth. You have
> shown absolutely ZERO kowledge of Islam, yet you have called for their
> elimination on several occasions. You have proven NOTHING exept for
> the fact that you are an ignorant small-minded bigoted racist, and that
> you are proud to be one. YEE-HAH! Man, I really feel sorry for the
> Boy Scouts that you hang around. Hopefully they will learn from you as
> a negative example.
So then you are harboring Al Queda muslums at your house again I see....
>
> > > Your feelings about OTHER races or religions have no bearing on this
> > > discussion.
> >
> > How so ?
>
> As I have said MANY TIMES BEFORE- you can be openly prejudiced towards
> one group of people while supporting another- this is nothing new- just
> ask your Nazi or KKK friends at your next meeting.
Much like you support the racism of giving blacks 20 extra points.
Champion a program to eliminate that racism and I might be impressed.
>
> > > a crappy dodge. My point is that your tolerance towards Black people
> > > wins you ZERO points when it comes to your assertion that you are not
a
> > > racist.
> >
> > Why ? I am not racist towards blacks. Are you ?
> >
> No. I am not racist towards any group of people.
You are racist towards whites. You even said so.
I am white. You are biased AGAINST me, and thus
I *will* defend myself!
> Why do you assume I
> am NOT black myself?
> The fact is that I do not support racist ideology
Sure you do !! - you support racism towards whites,
and "support" being biased TOWARDS blacks.
You do not feel it "just" to be "equal" - you support
racism in this regards. And too much of a coward
to ADMIDT it like *I* have admidted MY biases.
> of any sort, since racism means you feel that *one* race is _superior_
And you feel that the blacks are superior and choose to favor
practices that descriminate AGAINST whites in universities.
> to *another* . That type of thinking went out in the 50's, at least
> with anyone with half a brain, or anyone that isn't married to their
> sister.
But you support racism...
>
> > > Then you ADMIT to being a racist, and revel in all that is
> > > small-minded and bigoted. Make up your mind.
> >
> > Just playing the SAME game you are dishing out to me.
> > YOU are racist towards blacks, so why can't I be racist
> > to Arabs who are brainwashed with the voo-doo muslim religion ??
>
> This is not a GAME, perhaps that's where your problem lies. *I* am not
> racist, since racists believe that ONE race is superior to ANOTHER.
Thats exactally what YOU believe... YOU believe that blacks should
be given 20 extra points because of their skin color, thats as racist
as you can BE man !!
> period. *YOU* *ARE* a bigoted racist, and you happily and loudly
> proclaim that fact, which is very sad.
No, YOU are the racist! - you support giving ONE group something
based on their SKIN COLOR, and NOT giving the same thing to
another group with a DIFFERENT skin color. That is RACISM !
>
> > So what I'm expecting you to say here is that there is "good"
> > racism, and "bad" racism. (because that is the reality you know)
>
> WRONG! Since racism means that you hold one race as being superior to
> another.
Like YOU are doing by promoting giving something to ONE
group of people based on their SKIN COLOR and NOT
giving the same to another group with a DIFFERENT skin color.
> There is *NO* "good" racism. All of it is *BAD. Get that
> idea out of your head.
So WHY then do you support giving ONE group of people
something based on their SKIN COLOR and then NOT giving
it to another group with a DIFFERENT skin color ??????
>
> > > > And the black people are not into brainwashing
> > > > voo-doo either.
> > >
> > > And that is why I ask again why bring blacks in to this? The point of
> > > my post that you originally respoded to was about Muslims.
> >
> > And MY point is that YOU too are "racist".
>
> You have yet to prove that I feel that one race is superior to another.
> That is all you, not me.
Way above you said (few times) that you support giving something
to ONE group based on their SKIN COLOR, and denying it to
another group of a DIFFERENT skin color. That is *racist*.
>
> > See, you are tring to
> > make a term (like "racist") be a "globally" bad thing, when it is
> > NOT. It is ALSO not illegal to "stereotype" either.
>
> Racism = *BAD* . period. We are not talking ILLEGAL here- we are
> talking IMMORAL. Stereotyping is indicative of a person who is
> prejudiced and bigoted, so I am not surprised that you feel that
> stereotyping is a good thing to do, either. Instead you should learn
> to be less judgemental, and try to understand other people more. That
> is the mature and responsible thing to do.
"Sterotyping" IS a good thing dude - that is what makes us "cognative"
beings and NOT drones. We Stereotype ALL the dam time! For
example, we stumble into a group of mechanics in shooting the breeze
in a parking lot and say hum, they must know a lot about cars. And they DO!
We walk into a swarm of dentists and say humm, they must know about
teeth (and not cars). We stumble into a swarm of homeboys in Harlem
at 3 in the morning slinging chains and Mac-10's and say humm, they're
gonna rob me and kill me. This is what we do. To NOT do so would
be like walking up to a guy fixing to paint a house who is dressed in
coveralls with "Bobs painint - in business since 1969" on the back,
and a patch on the front that reads: Bob "Owner/CEO" and saying:
I don't want to "Stereotype", but are YOU a painter ??
>
> > > You have called for the
> > > genocide of Arabs/Islam/Muslims on numerous occasions.
> >
> > Arabs/Islam/Muslims trying to kill US *should* be killed, yea...
> > (thats whats happening before your eyes in Iraq right now!)
>
> so the 4 year old girl I saw on TV that had been hit by one of our
> bombs is trying to kill US? Wow- what a devious little girl.
Thats called "colateral damage" - tough break for the gal....
Your muslum friends over there could have prevented that
by doing one or more of the following:
1) Tell Saddam to deliver on his promise on the 17 UN resolutions.
2) Tell Saddam to leave the country like George Bush TOLD him to.
3) Stay IN your house like the 2.5 million flyers told them to do.
4) Stop supporting Saddam, and his anti-Americanism.
6) Rise up against Saddam and wage a coup against him.
7) Stop blowing your selves up at military checkpoints.
8) Quite ambushing American troops who are there to liberate you.
9) Follow the instructions proviced to you.
>
> > > > Yeah, whatever. Wait till you, or your family get blown up
> > > > by one of them sucide-bombers, then you may think twice about
> > > > the voo-doo shit that you defend so much.
> > >
> > > I am not defending ONE religion over another- I am promoting religous
> > > TOLERANCE. You are promoting Hitler-like religous presecution.
> >
> > Islam is NOT a "religion" to be tollerated. Look, just because
> > someone calls something a "religion" it should AUTOMATICALLY be
> > "ok" and free from scrutiny ? Thats fucked dude! WHY fucked.
> > There needs to be a "criteria" before calling it a "religion"
> > that is worthy of "tollerating", and one of which is NOT promoting
> > "death to Amarica" (for starters).
>
> Read the first amendment to the Bill of Rights, and actually learn some
> facts about Islam insted of spouting out your ass- then we'll talk.
They kill US, we kill THEM. They are warm, tollerant and inviting to US,
we will be warm, tollerant, and inviting to THEM. Just THAT simple.
>
> > Your deal holds NO water.
>
> WTF are you talking about? What "deal" are you referring to? Religous
> Freedom? Wow - how unamerican.
They are in-tollerant to US, we will not tollerate THEM. That simple.
>
> > > > Ahh! - refreshing to see them words again!
> > >
> > > What an idiot. To lump Mahatma Ghandi in with Osama Bin Laden is
quite
> > > a stretch.
> >
> > WHY ?? - Its all "religion", RIGHT ?? And all "religion" should
> > be TOLLERATED, right! See my point ?? ...what a dick.
>
> That was really a crappy dodge. All religious beliefs SHOULD be
> tolerated.
Nope, not a chance chief! Hostile religions WILL be irraticated over time.
> That was _not_ the point you were trying to make in the
> post of yours that I quoted. You you called Mahatma Ghandi a
> terrorist, and you said you HATED him. You simply proved what a
> narrow-minded bigoted prejudiced imbecile asshole you really are- ONCE
> AGAIN! You have quite a knack for that.
Yup - I don't expect any terrorist sympathizors such as yourself
to actually "agree" with me - no one expects that ! (not that stupid you
know).
Main difference between us is that YOU want America to fall,
and I do not. YOU want to give the terrorist an upper hand,
and I do NOT. YOU want to support racist things and be able
to NOT admist it, whereas I WILL admidt it. I am biased
IN favor of America, and you want to see her at a dissadvantage
out of spite. YOU are anti-establishment, and I am PRO law and
order and PRO American. I want America to be safe, tollerant
and the leader, and you do not. That is the difference between us.
Mr Wizzard
> In article <v8ff0b5...@corp.supernews.com>, cd
> <luna...@ziplip.com> wrote:
>
> > nah, we're not racist bigots, just realists. We understand that
> > REALISTICALLY muslims hate non-muslims and seek to destroy
non-believers.
> > Thats a cold hard fact and you cant deny it.
>
> Well, when Wizzard calls for genocide of the Muslims, and you agree
> with him, I would call that racist and bigoted, and far, far worse.
> KKK'ers say the same thing about themselves, but substitute the word
> "nigger" for "muslim" in the above paragraph you wrote. It is the same
> thinking, and *you* can't deny it. Hell- Wizzard is proud of his
> racist beliefs and admits he is one- why can't you? trying to
> backpedal now is more than a bit silly.
You are racist TOO! - only difference being is that you can't admit it.
You attempt to take something, blow it out of proportion into something
HUGE in attempt to gain some HUGE shock value. which doesn't work.
All I do is "agree" and hand you more rope to make you look even more
absurd. When in "actually", the REAL shock value is the fact that you
are forwarding a notion that everyone should "tolerate" and support
something *knowing* all well in good that it is conspiring *against* you
just so you can say "I tolerate" it, and accept it. You claim that we
should ALL accept/tolerate ALL religions even though you KNOW
they are brewing to kill you and hurt you. You seem to think that the
term "religion" is some sacred world, they when used, *automatically*
exempts one from a more closer scrutiny. And I say bullshit.
You still have NOT addressed the situation whereby this religion is
teaching people to grow up to be sucide bombers, and to kill
Americans. And when pushed on this, all you do is toss out some
weak, and lofy disclaimer of "I personally don't agree with everything
they believe, but I tollerate them and treat them equally:.
That is BUNK, it is a COP-OUT, and you WILL continue to
be called on it.
Mr Wizzard
> In article <3e867c7f$1...@corp-news.newsgroups.com>, ~~NortH~~
> <youkno...@home.dontya.com> wrote:
>
> > Although i disagree STRONGLY with all this war stuff being posted here -
i
> > truely take offense to any and all racist slurs, slanders and remarks.
Then take measures to FIX IT, and take measure to UNDERSTAND
just WHY it is that it exists instead of being a COP-OUT all the time!
> >
> > we all have our beliefs, none of which is right or wrong....
See thats a COP-OUT !! "Oh, right or wrong".... cocksucker...
The "wrong" in this case envolves a CULT to KILL people !
You can't just sluff that off like that - you're no longer gonna
get away with that mindset any longer. Can't go around just
turning your head and ignoring it and hope it goes away.
>>but works for
> > us and fills the hole we need filled.
> >
> > because a Muslim was a terrorist, does NOT MAKE ALL muslims
terrorists...
There is no right of passage here.
> >
> > all these people doing the bashing should at the very least take the
time to
> > read the Koran and have at least a semblance of knowledge before being
> > allowed to post.
I have read it. Its bad mojo dude!
> >
> > Muslims are one of the kindest, most caring peoples in the world.
> >
> > If a racist game is what you want to play.... then would not Timothy
McVeigh
> > make *americans or christians* terrorsits?
> >
> > or, fuck it - the unabomber?
> >
> >
> > you can NOT paint the world with a *religious* brush...... it is the
> > person.... NOT the religion!
> >
> >
> > ~~NortH~~
>
> Well said! I am done arguing with Archie Bunker (aka Mr. Pissard) and
> his henchmen/sockpuppets. They are all dangerously stupid, and I know
> that there is no point in arguing with a bigoted racist who is willing
> to kill someone because of their religion, which goes against many of
> the basic tenents of the democracy in which we live. That idea is
> extremely un-american in it's idealism, yet they run around waving the
> flag in the belief that they are oh so patriotic. They don't even
> understand what freedoms this country is based on! I guess *freedom*
> *of* *religion* means the freedom to be a christian in their minds, and
> especially not of an Islamic faith or you deserve to be _shot_ . This
> kind of thinking literally makes me want to puke.
I, and many LIKE me are no longer gonna give you a free pass
here to turn your head and ignore this. The funny thing IS,
that you KNOW this shit is breeding sucide bombers and killers
and you say "sure, some of them are different, and I don't agree
with all of them" B U T you NEVER want to take the responsability
to say things like "yea, we SHOULD take issue and IDENTIFY
these bad actors, and SPEEK OUT against the bad teachings."
Noooooo, you just won't DO that will ya ! - you defend their
right to teach, breed, brainwash this - you think its their "right:.
>
> I really can't say it any better than this:
> http://tinyurl.com/8frr
>
> ---
>
> http://tinyurl.com/35h5
Mr Wizzard
> In article <v8fbmra...@corp.supernews.com>, cd
> <luna...@ziplip.com> wrote:
>
> > It's cool wizzard, I dont think Sex Cow wants to respond to us. He
knows
> > we're right. Cant dispute it.
>
> There is no need to respond point by point-you and Wizzard have both
> admitted that you are racist bigots and proud of it, so what's left to
> talk about?
Whats LEFT to talk about ???? DUDE ! - how about the CENTRAL ISSUE ?
The CENTRAL ISSUE is that YOU refuse to accept the
responsability to ADDRESS the fact that these groups are
teaching and breeding this shit, and are too SHALLOW
to want to DEAL with it. You just want to turn your head
and hope it either goes away, or that it never causes a problem.
Have you BEEN to Saudia Arabia, or Lebanon ? Do you
even KNOW what goes on with this shit ? And how many
of them have branches and shit HERE in the USA ??
Mr Wizzard
> In article <orff8v0ijd6bm2cbe...@4ax.com>, EEng
> <unmai...@budget.net> wrote:
>
>
> I genuinely feel sorry for, and have a great respect for any
> Muslim who is serving in the Armed Forces in Iraq right now.
Don't feel sorry dude! - Your little Muslim buddy just got charged
with MURDER for tossing garnades into tents! He may die.
Mr Wizzard
> In article <290320030133134792%no...@jose.com>, Sex Cow
> <no...@jose.com> wrote:
>
> > cd wrote:
> >
> > > Pray to a black stone eh? Doesnt this sound like a toy religion
praying to
> > > rocks, trees, etc?
> >
> > It's just as crazy as praying to the image of a crucified man on a
> > cross.
>
>
> FYI- the Ka Obah has it's roots in the Old Testament. This black stone
> is said to have been given to Ishmael by the angel Gabriel, and set
> into the building by Abraham's own hands. This is also the stone
> referred to in Genesis 28:10-35:3; the stone that Jacob rested his head
> upon and had a dream of a stairway to Heaven and a communication with
> God. This kooky wacky "toy religion" stone was also anointed by Jacob.
Lose the voo-doo religion, and take responsability for supporting shit
that promotes sucide bombers, and LESS people in the world will get
killed. More people on this globe die due to this shit than you know.
Mr Wizzard
> In article <v8c95q3...@corp.supernews.com>, cd
> <luna...@ziplip.com> wrote:
>
> > thats it Mr Wizzard.
> > I think you and I totally closed shop on this muslim simpleton.
> > I dare, I DARE anyone else to dispute this topic with me and Mr Wizzard.
I
> > think we've won this one.
>
Again, you purposely ignore my position:
Lose the voo-doo religion and ANY arab will be my friend for life.
Continue to give them a "free pass" to believe/breed/teach what
they do, and you are aiding and abetting things to kill me.