using 2 days in a row: experiences?
Tryptamine
I've looked around on Lycaeum and Erowid for information concerning this topic,
but I've only found very brief mentions here and there. I'm someone who does
ecstasy very rarely (I've only done it 5 or 6 times in my life; the last time I
did it before last night was about 3 months ago). I did some last night with
my loved one and had such a great time that he really, really wants to do it
again tonight. Erowid says 'using two days in a row is likely to lead to a
greatly diminished experience the second day.' Have most of you found this to
be true? If we did it, we would eat 5-HTP all day today before dropping.
Tips from anyone with experience dropping two nights in a row will be greatly
appreciated. I find the 'common wisdom' on this subject a bit hard to discern.
peace
trypt
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Briony Gunstone
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Obviously it's not a good idea in principle. However I did it once, not by
intention but because I foolishly had a party the day before New Year's Eve,
then got talked into dropping again the next night. I know it should be
diminished the second time, but to be honest I had a great time both nights
(with very decent pills). That's just my experience, and perhaps not a
general rule. I think you can only use 50mg of 5-HTP every four hours so
more is pointless.
Briony
Cartertine
using two days in a row.
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Bob Wallace
>...Erowid says 'using two days in a row is likely to lead to a
>be true? If we did it, we would eat 5-HTP all day today before dropping.
>
>Tips from anyone with experience dropping two nights in a row will be greatly
>appreciated. I find the 'common wisdom' on this subject a bit hard to discern.
There are two factors. One is allowing time for one's neurochemistry to
rebalance itself. In this case that means getting serotonin levels back to
normal, and yes, 5-HTP can help with this.
But the other is perhaps more important, and yet more subtle. There's a
certain kind of emotional energy that gets used when two loving people
are on E together. It is (or can be) an intense, wonderful experience.
However, many people who try to extend this by doing a second dose
the next day find the second experience kind of disappointing; both of
you have lowered physical and emotional energy reserves (as well as
serotonin).
I would suggest the day after an Esctasy experience with a lover it
might be better to kind of relax/chill together, perhaps with some wine or
other more lower-energy drugs ("rotate your receptor sites" as Jonathan
Ott or Terence McKenna would say), and give your bodies and minds
a week to recuperate. Then the next weekend, you'll both be recharged
for another evening of Ecstasy.
- Bob Wallace (just my opinion); reply to bo...@promind.com
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DMAN
still great the second night
DMAN
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timo
trip itself it's very meaningfull to both to you..
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blah
took a half. i was rolled from a half (funny thing is i figured out it was
good, was kinda high, tried to go to sleep - couldnt sleep was hit all at
once by it - strange experience). the next night, we went to a rave, took a
whole one, was even more rolled (they were good ones).
i am sure the ability to use two days in a row has a lot to do with
individual chemistry, and serotonin availability. mileage may vary...
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Chris
hit you, NOT NEARLY AS HARD, and not NEARLY as enjoyable as the day
before. In fact your probs gonna feel more of a energy methy high,
and then afterwards JUST CRASH. But dont let me stop you, im not
gonna lie and say nothing will happen, because you will feel it. You
just wont TRIP HARDCORE!!! hehehe. Drink wine, do it again next
weekend... save your 20 or 40 or however much it costs you.
Good luck.
- Chris
Dälle
I used to roll every week-end, friday & saturday, but after a while, i
noticed that I had to increase the dosage, to have the same effect, and that
the comedown was becoming harder to handle,...
Now I don't even do it two weeks in a row,... Once every 3-4 weeks is a nice
tempo,...
There's other drugs that are really good, like the mushrooms. Why don't you
try it this week-end, something else next week-end, and then, you'll be
ready for another 'E' session,...
Moderation is the key ;)
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Josephine01
didn't feel a thing. it was a good pill too I know cuz I've taken it before
and rolled hard as hell. I felt NOTHING! it sucked. and I took a second one
and STILL didn't feel anything. I guess I don't have much seratonin to spare
or something. but I do know people that can do that--it's just usually the
second night you gotta take more. well hope you don't have the same problem as
me.
~alyssa
Tryptamine
me how you have time to read so many drug newsgroups!) We ended up not rolling
the second night. I strongly agree in principle with what everyone said about
chilling/relaxing/waiting, but jesus christ, did we have quite a time on that
E! :) I've always felt more connected, more loving, and so on when I'm on
MDMA, but this was the first time it absolutely blew me out of the water. I
have never felt more connected to another human being in my petty little life.
Mushrooms put me in the cosmos, acid puts me inside my own head, 5-MeO-DMT puts
me I don't know the fuck where, but my my my my my!, I had never before had the
experience of seemingly being inside someone else's consciousness, inside his
own desires, his own subjectivity. Additionally, even though my lover digs
drugs, he's not as 'into' them as I am and doesn't quite understand how/why I
avoid recreational use of most entheogens (marijuana excepted)--but while we
were rolling (his first time), he said, 'oh my god, I understand exactly what
you mean about drug use being spiritual--oh my god, I want to do this again
tomorrow night so I can really think about it, not just feel it.' That felt so
generous to me that I just wanted to go with the second roll, so that he could
really get inside how I feel about entheogens.
Anyway, we ended up just hanging out, smoking grass and talking about the roll.
In a way, it was even better since we were able to 'process' the experience
more, and we'll probably integrate it into our 'normal' lives more fluidly than
if we'd just rolled again.
Man, don't you love it when a drug just kicks you in the pants? (In the head,
in the heart?) I thought I knew what people were talking about when they
talked about ecstasy. Now I actually do.
Tryptamine
> I think you can only use 50mg of 5-HTP every four hours so
> more is pointless.
Can anyone corroborate this statement? One person at the Lycaeum
(http://leda.lycaeum.org/Trips/Preloading_with_5-HTP.6573.shtml)
reports extraordinarily increased effects from MDMA by pre-loading
with 5-HTP; his dose was 100mg every half-hour. Would s/he have had
the same results using 50mg every four hours? Additionally, the 5-HTP
pills I have (and the ones used in the cited report) are (were) 100mg
pills. It seems strange to bother marketing 100mg pills if only 50mg
can be absorbed every four hours (my bottle does not indicate that the
capsules are time-release).
Thanks in advance for any help.
Briony Gunstone
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> > I think you can only use 50mg of 5-HTP every four hours so
> > more is pointless.
>
> Can anyone corroborate this statement? One person at the Lycaeum
> (http://leda.lycaeum.org/Trips/Preloading_with_5-HTP.6573.shtml)
> reports extraordinarily increased effects from MDMA by pre-loading
> with 5-HTP; his dose was 100mg every half-hour. Would s/he have had
> the same results using 50mg every four hours? Additionally, the 5-HTP
> pills I have (and the ones used in the cited report) are (were) 100mg
> pills. It seems strange to bother marketing 100mg pills if only 50mg
> can be absorbed every four hours (my bottle does not indicate that the
> capsules are time-release).
Well I wasn't sure about that, I definitely remember reading something like
that but i was kind of hoping someone with more knowledge than me would
speak up if I was wrong. Bob Wallace? The fact that your pills are 100mg
is a very good point. If I was talking complete shite I apologise :)
Briony
peTer
> MDMA, but this was the first time it absolutely blew me out of the water. I
> have never felt more connected to another human being in my petty little life.
> Mushrooms put me in the cosmos, acid puts me inside my own head, 5-MeO-DMT puts
> me I don't know the fuck where,
Hi trypt, could I butt in and ask a slightly off-topic question? What
is your method for taking 5-MeO-DMT? I know it's not orally active
(unless with an MAOI). My attempts to smoke it have yielded almost
nothing. Out of desperation I was going to try it with Harmoline (an
MAOI).
Another question: what's your experience with 5-MeO-DIPT? I've done it
half a dozen times, and a couple of them have been quite uncomfortable.
xx p
peTer
> MDMA, but this was the first time it absolutely blew me out of the water. I
> have never felt more connected to another human being in my petty little life.
> Mushrooms put me in the cosmos, acid puts me inside my own head, 5-MeO-DMT puts
> me I don't know the fuck where,
Hi trypt, could I butt in and ask a slightly off-topic question? What
JoeDolfan2
Marcellus Wallace (/k)
every time but once or twice a year), but make sure you have a clean
periode of atleast one month after it.
/k
JoeDolfan2 wrote:
>
> second night is a waste of e period
--
"Life is a sexually transmitted disease - with a
fatality rate of 100%"
Tryptamine
> Hi trypt, could I butt in and ask a slightly off-topic question? What
> is your method for taking 5-MeO-DMT?
Sorry for the delay in this reply; I've had some papers due. I
vaporize 5-MeO in what's basically a crackpipe. It's a bit difficult
to describe if you've never seen a crackpipe--basically, the 'bowl' is
a bulb with a small hole at the top. You drop your material into the
bowl. You hold the lighter on the bottom of the bulb, 'outside' the
pipe, heating the bottom of the bulb and thereby vaporizing the 5-MeO.
If you don't have access to a crackpipe, you can make one out of a
lightbulb by carefully detaching the screw-in part and taking out the
filament. It's easy to accidentally break the bulb, but with some
patience and a little practice, it can be done.
Diary of a Psychonaut (psychonaut.lycaeum.org) also reports success
simply by dropping the 5-MeO onto some parsely leaf packed into a
standard glass marijuana pipe, but I have no experience with this.
Best of luck.
peace
trypt
peTer
> > is your method for taking 5-MeO-DMT?
>
> Sorry for the delay in this reply; I've had some papers due. I
> vaporize 5-MeO in what's basically a crackpipe. It's a bit difficult
> to describe if you've never seen a crackpipe--basically, the 'bowl' is
> a bulb with a small hole at the top. You drop your material into the
> bowl. You hold the lighter on the bottom of the bulb, 'outside' the
> pipe, heating the bottom of the bulb and thereby vaporizing the 5-MeO.
> If you don't have access to a crackpipe, you can make one out of a
> lightbulb by carefully detaching the screw-in part and taking out the
> filament. It's easy to accidentally break the bulb, but with some
> patience and a little practice, it can be done.
>
> Diary of a Psychonaut (psychonaut.lycaeum.org) also reports success
> simply by dropping the 5-MeO onto some parsely leaf packed into a
> standard glass marijuana pipe, but I have no experience with this.
Many thanks indeed for this. Whatever I've tried up to now has
basically not been working. In fact, the one time I did get a
near-decent hit off 5-MeO (it was a mild but noticeable trip) was the
very first time I tried it: I just put some in a joint, near the lighted
end, lit up and puffed away and hoped for the best. I guess that time I
was lucky. Since then I've tried the same method, and also (very)
improvised attempts to vapourise and inhale, but without success. I'll
try and follow up your suggestion and also the URL you gave. Thanks
again.
On another subject, I had a 5-Me0 DIPT night with some friends on
sunday, and got a bit of a mauling from the Fox: a lot of it was good,
but also a lot of the time I felt sick, and emotions were troubling me.
At least with the Fox there are no problems getting it in :-)
All the best,
xx p
Tryptamine
> On another subject, I had a 5-Me0 DIPT night with some friends on
> sunday, and got a bit of a mauling from the Fox: a lot of it was good,
> but also a lot of the time I felt sick, and emotions were troubling me.
> At least with the Fox there are no problems getting it in :-)
Personally, I don't dig 5-MeO-DiPT at all. I had something resembling
a mild seizure the first time I did it, and the second time I felt
quite ill nearly the whole time.
On the other hand, my experiences with 5-MeO-DMT have shown me
something resembling the secret of the universe--overwhelmingly
beautiful and frightening at the same time.
Best of luck with both substances.
peace
trypt
peTer
Thanks for these comments. It seems that 5-MeO-DiPT varies a lot from
person to person, from time to time (in my case) and perhaps sensitively
to dose level too. I've done it six times. The latest time was with
three friends. One is a veteran of e, and lately has got into the fox,
and I saw him opening up that night in a way beyond even how he has with
e. The other two were newcomers to foxy, and both of them liked it: one
in particular said she found it an "unmitigatedly pleasant" experience.
I had a rough ride for part of the night, and I suspect one reason is
that the dose might have been high: my friend had divided a batch up
into gelcaps containing 12.5mg each as far as he could judge -- but this
was merely an eyeballing division and inevitably some caps will have
contained more and i suspect i got one of those. On balance though, I
still see that night as positive. In particular, I found it sexually
effective!
Thanks for your remarks about 5-MeO-DMT. I'm determined to figure out a
way of getting it into me! I shall study carefully your suggestions for
pipe-manufacture! Meanwhile, I've got harmaline and intend to try the
harmaline+5-MeO-DMT combination which is supposed to work orally: I
don't know why I haven't done the experiment yet -- possibly afraid of
disappointment. I am aware that with 5-MeO-DMT success might also be
something to fear; I'm willing to go into that, partly because other
experiences (non-chemical) have given me a very brief glimpse, it seems,
of That which is always present, beyond words, and before thought. (Er,
... but I do like just having fun too! :-))
xx p
Yo, Wassup
Briony is right on the 50mg/4 hour thing..
As for the 100mg pills, they are going on the assumption they stay in your
body/bloodstream for more than 4 hours.. It is also a good marketing ploy
(sell more volume of 5htp).
Yo, Wassup
>
> > > is your method for taking 5-MeO-DMT?
> >
> > Sorry for the delay in this reply; I've had some papers due. I
> > vaporize 5-MeO in what's basically a crackpipe. It's a bit difficult
> > to describe if you've never seen a crackpipe--basically, the 'bowl' is
> > a bulb with a small hole at the top. You drop your material into the
> > bowl. You hold the lighter on the bottom of the bulb, 'outside' the
> > pipe, heating the bottom of the bulb and thereby vaporizing the 5-MeO.
> > If you don't have access to a crackpipe, you can make one out of a
> > lightbulb by carefully detaching the screw-in part and taking out the
> > filament. It's easy to accidentally break the bulb, but with some
> > patience and a little practice, it can be done.
> >
> > Diary of a Psychonaut (psychonaut.lycaeum.org) also reports success
> > simply by dropping the 5-MeO onto some parsely leaf packed into a
> > standard glass marijuana pipe, but I have no experience with this.
>
> Many thanks indeed for this. Whatever I've tried up to now has
> basically not been working. In fact, the one time I did get a
> near-decent hit off 5-MeO (it was a mild but noticeable trip) was the
> very first time I tried it: I just put some in a joint, near the lighted
> end, lit up and puffed away and hoped for the best. I guess that time I
> was lucky. Since then I've tried the same method, and also (very)
> improvised attempts to vapourise and inhale, but without success. I'll
> try and follow up your suggestion and also the URL you gave. Thanks
> again.
I wouldnt advise doing 5meo-dmt with any other drug.. At least not until you
have tried it on its own.. It is an incredibly intense experience, and it is
very easy for someone to panic on it.. Especially if there is a mixed bag of
fucked up effects going on..
> On another subject, I had a 5-Me0 DIPT night with some friends on
> sunday, and got a bit of a mauling from the Fox: a lot of it was good,
> but also a lot of the time I felt sick, and emotions were troubling me.
> At least with the Fox there are no problems getting it in :-)
Nausea is common with Foxy.. Just part of the game though, and difficult to
avoid (this is pretty much a luck of the draw thing, although set and
setting can help)
peTer
"Yo, Wassup" wrote:
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> "peTer" <pet...@earthling.net> wrote in message
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> >
> I wouldnt advise doing 5meo-dmt with any other drug.. At least not until you
> have tried it on its own.. It is an incredibly intense experience, and it is
> very easy for someone to panic on it.. Especially if there is a mixed bag of
> fucked up effects going on..
Thanks. On what you and and others have said, I've got some respect
building up in advance for 5meo-dmt (which is it that they call it: the
"Power", or the "Glory"? anyway, DMT is one and 5meo-dmt is the other
one!). I've heard descriptions in terms of "the void" ... .
> Nausea is common with Foxy.. Just part of the game though, and difficult to
> avoid (this is pretty much a luck of the draw thing, although set and
> setting can help)
Yeah .. funnily enough this (my sixth) was the first Fox I've done with
friends, so it _should_ have been the most comfortable. The other three
people had no trouble with it, and two of them were newcomers to Foxy.
Perhaps I had a bad night; also I suspect I drew a capsule slightly
stronger than the others (they'd all been eye-balled to 12.5mg). Mind
you, I've had uncomfortable physical feelings other times with it.
Unlike with e, I feel totally NOT a master of Foxy (yet, at least). It
still reminds me (mildly) of the (limited) experiences I've had on acid.
xx p
peTer
"Yo, Wassup" wrote:
>
> "Tryptamine" <jeff...@yahooka.com> wrote in message
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> > "Briony Gunstone" <token...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > > I think you can only use 50mg of 5-HTP every four hours so
> > > more is pointless.
> >
> > Can anyone corroborate this statement? One person at the Lycaeum
> > (http://leda.lycaeum.org/Trips/Preloading_with_5-HTP.6573.shtml)
Very interesting reading.
xx p
Briony Gunstone
it was just different slang for something familiar, but it doesn't sound
like it. (Forgive my ignorance, I've just never encountered the word except
on here)
Thanks,
Briony
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peTer
Briony Gunstone wrote:
>
> Peter, what is this Foxy you are all always talking about? First I thought
> it was just different slang for something familiar, but it doesn't sound
> like it. (Forgive my ignorance, I've just never encountered the word except
> on here)
Hi Briony: "Foxy" is short for "foxy methoxy" which in turn means
5meo-DIPT (the last bit stands for di-isopropyl tryptamine I think). I
understand it to be still legal both here and in the US. It gives an
experience of some 6 hours, with mildly but interestingly psychedelic
aspects, and physical aspects too: some pleasant some not. There is a
kind of "buzz" as it comes on which can be disconcerting (by contrast I
never have any trouble with the way e comes on). It can have an
empathogenic quality too, though nothing like e. I repeat: it's nothing
like e .. _some_ aspects remind me of LSD. I've done it half a dozen
times, but I still don't feel I know my way round Foxy yet. It's shown
a tendency to bite back, but I certainly look forward to trying it
again. I guess if you look at erowid and the usual places, or search
for bits of its name, you should find trip-report etc. I can point you
if you're stuck.
xx p
Briony Gunstone
Oh right. I've heard the chemical name mentioned on here but I didn't
realise it was the same thing. If it's still legal, what kind of source do
you get it from? I mean, do you get it from a delaer or buy it in a shop?
Is it easy to find? I'm just curious, I've never heard of its existence
outside this discussion.
Thanks :)
Yo, Wassup
Foxy is like that though... It will cause nausea in many people, but not
neccesarily every time.. It doesnt matter if you have done it 100 times, you
still might get sick off of it..
PS- You ***REALLY*** should weigh out these types of drugs absolutely
precisely... It is next to impossible to eyeball out 10mg.. And I am fairly
sure you guys probably did something like take 100mg (approx.) and divided
it into 10.. (or similar)... Anyways, your 100mg figure likely wasnt
accurate, so there is already a large chunk of error. Then to split into 10
piles, well that is impossible to do exactly -- remember, some particles of
the drug may weigh more than other particles that appear to be the same size
(little pebbles, fluffy powder, etc).. So we have two large margins of error
already.. In using the 100mg / 10 example, you potentially could have some
piles weighing 4-5mg, and some weighing 20-25mg... (that is the two
extremes, but...)
Anyways - follow this link for more info on a slightly better way.
http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/dose/dose_info1.shtml
> xx p
Yo, Wassup
I read the link.... Note, this is one persons subjective experience...
My thoughts:
He would have gotten just as high if he had taken 100mg total of 5htp,
and probably just as high if he had taken none... Of course, because he was
in the mindstate where he thought he would be getting 'extra high' as a
result of his 5htp, he probably helped put himself onto a good trip..
peTer
"Yo, Wassup" wrote:
> sure you guys probably did something like take 100mg (approx.) and divided
> it into 10.. (or similar)... Anyways, your 100mg figure likely wasnt
> accurate, so there is already a large chunk of error. Then to split into 10
> piles, well that is impossible to do exactly -- remember, some particles of
> the drug may weigh more than other particles that appear to be the same size
> (little pebbles, fluffy powder, etc).. So we have two large margins of error
> already..
Good point ...
> In using the 100mg / 10 example, you potentially could have some
> piles weighing 4-5mg, and some weighing 20-25mg... (that is the two extremes, but...)
Incidentally, we aim for 12.5mg, rather than 10 (we're a bit greedy, I
guess). Thus the possible upper extreme is even higher :-(
> Anyways - follow this link for more info on a slightly better way.
> http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/dose/dose_info1.shtml
Many thanks: I need all the help i can get on that. From what I've
seen, milligram weighing devices are _really_ expensive.
xx p
Yo, Wassup
>
>
> "Yo, Wassup" wrote:
> > sure you guys probably did something like take 100mg (approx.) and
divided
> > it into 10.. (or similar)... Anyways, your 100mg figure likely wasnt
> > accurate, so there is already a large chunk of error. Then to split into
10
> > piles, well that is impossible to do exactly -- remember, some particles
of
> > the drug may weigh more than other particles that appear to be the same
size
> > (little pebbles, fluffy powder, etc).. So we have two large margins of
error
> > already..
>
> Good point ...
>
> > In using the 100mg / 10 example, you potentially could have some
> > piles weighing 4-5mg, and some weighing 20-25mg... (that is the two
extremes, but...)
>
> Incidentally, we aim for 12.5mg, rather than 10 (we're a bit greedy, I
> guess). Thus the possible upper extreme is even higher :-(
I just used those figures as they were fairly representational.. The point
is, there is lots of margin for error, unless you do it absolutely
properly..
> > Anyways - follow this link for more info on a slightly better way.
> > http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/dose/dose_info1.shtml
>
> Many thanks: I need all the help i can get on that. From what I've
> seen, milligram weighing devices are _really_ expensive.
Unless you have a gutsy friend in a University chem class..
> xx p