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Sphere
considering you can get the raw leaf for ten cents a gram if you order
it from http://www.aztecasplants.com/principal.html in bulk, direct
from Mexico.
19:09:05:13
taken out of the equation, like it should be. I personally get pretty
sick from seeing the combination of a psychedelic substance with
a dollar sign. If it ain't (nearly) for free, I'm not interested.
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Rasta Robert
wrote in alt.drugs.salvia:
>Isn't it possible to grow it yourself? That way money is completely
>taken out of the equation, like it should be. I personally get pretty
>sick from seeing the combination of a psychedelic substance with
>a dollar sign. If it ain't (nearly) for free, I'm not interested.
Yes, it's fairly easy to grow yourself, there is no reason for me
anymore to buy it since a friend gave me some rooted cuttings.
Rasta Robert
--//->
Ayatollah Poop Dogg
>Isn't it possible to grow it yourself? That way money is completely
>taken out of the equation, like it should be. I personally get pretty
>sick from seeing the combination of a psychedelic substance with
>a dollar sign. If it ain't (nearly) for free, I'm not interested.
Yes, you can grow it yourself. I lost the link, but there was at
least one supplier who sold cuttings from the 2 varieties (one
mild, the other harsher but stronger). Salvia divinorum seeds are
extremely rare, for a long time it was thought that plant didn't
produce them, but I heard about one botanist who managed to coax
a crop of seeds. If you grow it yourself you will need to learn
how to make 5x or 10x extract as the raw leaf is not psychoactive.
Mr Pimoulu
:: "19:09:05:13" wrote in message ...
::: Isn't it possible to grow it yourself?
It is extremely easy to grow it yourself and it makes a lovely house plant.
There are many places you can buy cuttings from (it rarely propgates from
seed and propogates naturally from cuttings in the wild). If you are in USA
I suggest you try the SalviaD yahoogroup. There is a guy called sageman who
posts there. I've never bought from him but he is very well respected and I
have seen nothing but praise from other posters about his cuttings.
:: If you grow it yourself you will need
:: to learn how to make 5x or 10x extract as the raw leaf is not
:: psychoactive.
The recipe for extract is freely available (seacrh this group for Sphere's
posts on it). However it is by no means neccessary. Raw leaf is indeed
psychoactive. With good smoking technique most people can get to Salvia
Space with plain leaf, especially with it's 'reverse tolerance' effect. The
main reasons people use extract is that a) they are buying crappy leaf i.e.
from head shops, b) they aren't smoking it right. Personally I use extract
cos I am crap at smoking it. Plus once you have your own supply of fresh
leaves the quid option becomes more feasible.
Dave the Ethnogens Guy
From Dave the Ethnogens.com guy
The plants are very easy to grow.
We are selling them cheap...and they are all healthy, guaranteed to
arrive alive.
Live Salvia Divinorum Plants here: http://ethnogens.com/lisapl.html
Check out this link to see all of our Salvia Divinorum products
including dried salvia leaf and 5x and 10x extracts:
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19:09:05:13
Thankfully I appear to be a good substitute for Mother Earth :)
or at least that's what my (sub)tropical plants and vines show
me on a daily basis so if it's -easy- to grow it'll be no problem,
but do you (having the experience I lack thusfar) have any
pointers of any advice that could be of use?
(short of a growers guide url that is, I'd prefer 1st hand info)
Rasta Robert <r...@dds.nl.ReMoVeThIs> schreef in berichtnieuws 3eca07f1....@news.cistron.nl...
19:09:05:13
I see I do need to read a growers' guide of some sort or
at least something that explains the procedure of extraction;
and let me guess: that'll be much harder than growing the
stuff, right? :)
BTW, I'd never choose to grow 'em from seeds if cuttings
will do; that would add several more months to the process.
I did have the impression (perhaps I'm mistaken) that Salvia
was an annual plant, I take it that it isn't?
Ayatollah Poop Dogg <nos...@nospam.com> schreef in berichtnieuws L-SdnaZ0ktj...@bravo.net...
19:09:05:13
I'm 100% Dutch :) A downside would be that hardly
any naturally occuring psychoactive plant can be found
here in the wild (that why we've got 'them shops') ;)
Mr Pimoulu <pim...@yahooNO.SPAMco.uk> schreef in berichtnieuws 3ecb...@news1.homechoice.co.uk...
Rasta Robert
wrote in alt.drugs.salvia:
>Hi there,
>
>Thankfully I appear to be a good substitute for Mother Earth :)
>or at least that's what my (sub)tropical plants and vines show
>me on a daily basis so if it's -easy- to grow it'll be no problem,
>but do you (having the experience I lack thusfar) have any
>pointers of any advice that could be of use?
>(short of a growers guide url that is, I'd prefer 1st hand info)
>
http://www.erowid.org/plants/salvia/salvia_faq.shtml#growing
I have my plants outside in the summer and inside in the winter.
I left a couple of plants outside last winter and they survived
some mild frosts, but they didn't survive a longer and colder
frost period. I think they might survive a mild winter, and
if you're somewhere where it doesn't freeze in the winter,
you could probably have them growing outside all year round.
They like shady humid places with little or no direct sunlight.
But I just read you're in the Netherlands like me, so best to
move them inside. You write about vines.. do you perchance
grow caapi vines?
Rasta Robert
--//->
Rasta Robert
wrote in alt.drugs.salvia:
>Hi there,
>
>I see I do need to read a growers' guide of some sort or
>at least something that explains the procedure of extraction;
>and let me guess: that'll be much harder than growing the
>stuff, right? :)
>BTW, I'd never choose to grow 'em from seeds if cuttings
>will do; that would add several more months to the process.
>I did have the impression (perhaps I'm mistaken) that Salvia
>was an annual plant, I take it that it isn't?
Nope it's not an annual. Seeds are difficult to find and have
a low germination rate. In nature the plant also reproduces
mainly by cloning itself (branches break off an become new plants).
Where in the Netherlands are you?
Rasta Robert
--//->
Mr Pimoulu
:: Fortunately I was not born (nor do I live) in the USA,
:: I'm 100% Dutch :) A downside would be that hardly
:: any naturally occuring psychoactive plant can be found
:: here in the wild (that why we've got 'them shops') ;)
http://www.botanic-art.com/ are netherlands based I believe. They sell live
plants and I've heard good reports about their extracts, but not tried them
myself.
19:09:05:13
> http://www.erowid.org/plants/salvia/salvia_faq.shtml#growing
Erowid is amazing! I've been reading reports and stuff there for
days on end and since then visit this site quite frequently and
still I haven't seen it all.. Most impressive to me were the reports
on experiences with Datura.
> They like shady humid places with little or no direct sunlight.
That's unfortunate. I'm on the upper apartment of a 7 storeys building
with a balcony on the east (direct sunlight from dawn till +/- 14.00)
and some large windows on the south (direct sunlight from 11.00 till
+/- 19.00). My Passion Flower nearly burned until I discovered it
got far too much too bright light!
Morning Glory's really love it though :)
> move them inside. You write about vines.. do you perchance
> grow caapi vines?
Not yet. I hope to grow Banisteriopsis Caapi next year unless it
will grow inside, then it might be sooner.. I'd love to have a
psychoactive plant that can live inside for years but I'm about to
run out of space :)
Rasta Robert <r...@dds.nl.ReMoVeThIs> wrote in 3ed1d18d...@news.cistron.nl...
19:09:05:13
> a low germination rate. In nature the plant also reproduces
Which is much like Passion Flower, relatively easy to grow
from cuttings but it's a drag to get these seeds going.
> Where in the Netherlands are you?
The Hague!
Een kwartiertje fietsen van het Binnenhof ;)
Rasta Robert <r...@dds.nl.ReMoVeThIs> wrote in 3ed1d283...@news.cistron.nl...
Mr Pimoulu
::
:: That's unfortunate. I'm on the upper apartment of a 7 storeys
:: building with a balcony on the east (direct sunlight from dawn
:: till +/- 14.00) and some large windows on the south (direct
:: sunlight from 11.00 till +/- 19.00). My Passion Flower nearly
:: burned until I discovered it got far too much too bright light!
:: Morning Glory's really love it though :)
Although they prefer indirect light, they can learn to tolerate anything
apart from deep shade. You would need to keep the cuttings protected from
too much direct sun until they were established. Then slowly place them in
full sun, for example, an hour in the morning or an hour in the late
afternoon, gradually changing it until they are doing an hour in midday sun,
then two hours a day etc. Be guided by your plants, if they look healthy
increase the exposure, if they look like they are drooping or scorching,
slow down a bit. After a few weeks they will be fine in full sun and can be
left there permanently.
19:09:05:13
are vacant, it seems that every plant I got needs at least a
little shade..
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