For Wildwings . . .
RStark1957
From . . . http://www.castaneda.com/intro/article.html
Q: Assuming that don Juan's teachings have become part of occult literature,
what's your opinion about other teachings in this category, for example Masonic
philosophy, Rosicrucianism, Hermeticism and disciplines such as the Cabala, the
Tarot and Astrology when we compare them to nagualism? Have you ever had any
contact with or maintain any contact with any of these or with their devotees?
A: Once again, I don't have the slightest idea of what the premises are, or the
points of view and subjects of such disciplines. Don Juan presented us with the
problem of navigating into the unknown, and this takes all of our available
effort.
Q: Do some of the concepts of your work, such as the assemblage point, the
energetic filaments that make up the universe, the world of the inorganic
beings, intent, stalking and dreaming, have an equivalent in Western knowledge?
For example, there are some people who consider that man seen as a luminous egg
is an expression of the aura
A: As far as I know, nothing of what don Juan taught us seems to have a
counterpart in Western knowledge.
Once, when don Juan was still here, I spent a whole year in search of
gurus, teachers and wise men to give me an inkling of what they were doing. I
wanted to know if there was something in the world of that time similar to what
don Juan said and did.
My resources were very limited and they only took me to meet the
established masters who had millions of followers and, unfortunately, I
couldn't find any similarity.
Robotica
In article <199805230259...@ladder03.news.aol.com> rstar...@aol.com (RStark1957) writes:
>From: rstar...@aol.com (RStark1957)
>Subject: For Wildwings . . .
>Date: 23 May 1998 02:59:54 GMT
Perception as Physicality
Physicality as Perception
The body of knowledge vehicle type thingy gizmo....
:-)
Sheriff Slow
RStark1957
Sheriff Slow (but sure):
"Perception as Physicality . . . Physicality as Perception. The body of
knowledge vehicle type thingy gizmo."
Amen . . .
wild...@peconic.net
On 23 May 1998 02:59:54 GMT, rstar...@aol.com (RStark1957) wrote:
>From . . . http://www.castaneda.com/intro/article.html
>
>Q: Assuming that don Juan's teachings have become part of occult literature,
>what's your opinion about other teachings in this category, for example Masonic
>philosophy, Rosicrucianism, Hermeticism and disciplines such as the Cabala, the
>Tarot and Astrology when we compare them to nagualism? Have you ever had any
>contact with or maintain any contact with any of these or with their devotees?
umm, yeah,
smile,
all my life i have had contact with live and dead passed on masters
i guess with eternal bodies,
they are the ones that eat egos or consciousness that is selfish
and not of spirit,
when you die you undergo a process like tibitian book of the dead
buddist style, or seven valleys , bahai style,,ladder of jacob, jewish
style, the ascension , 7-11 , 11-11, 12-12, all ascensions of the
assemblege to the heavens of the eagle awarenessess,
where all the lies that lie about you are eaten up by the light of
truth and knowledge and you then cross over in full awareness
to the other side, dead or alive, with or without body...
or
now if you linger in your body long time after you die you leave
through a lower chakra than the best which is the highest,
that means you do not have the awareness of the one able to do the
other.
some go throught the tibitian book of the dead even when alive
and it is called angel on the threshold, cabala,
and if there are able to leave through the top
it can be called maha samadi yoga style.
the human reality is the human reality and in the beginning and the
end
is the collective consciousness and the un one, that is full of the
same exact myths of long ago, a kind of genetic human racial
memories in the cells,
the very cells of our bodies have the memories of primeval earth
of the sea where life began, it takes
an ability to seer, like dj...
seering is in all
prophecy and prophecy is the middle name of the human race,
the ability to go exterior and be self aware
and look back on yourself and your collectivity
and see what is was and will go down,,,
so i feel there is so much in kin with all the other studies
of what i can call high magic
and low magic and
middle of the way magic
dj is on the path of love
so it seems to me that the path with heart is the one
that will set you free,
very similar to bakti yoga,
i have enjoyed comparative religion
and metaphysical philosophical studies
psychological viewing of the spirit
and what it is,,
it is us...
and we are one,,,
human race,,,
with diversified points of viewing or searing
a body with many eyes,
with separate minds
but in the right brain is our collectivity
where it comes to gether,
do you have any more questions,,,
i do appreciate this discussion..
the g and ww
wild...@peconic.net
On 23 May 1998 02:59:54 GMT, rstar...@aol.com (RStark1957) wrote:
>From . . . http://www.castaneda.com/intro/article.html
>
>Q: Assuming that don Juan's teachings have become part of occult literature,
>what's your opinion about other teachings in this category, for example Masonic
>philosophy, Rosicrucianism, Hermeticism and disciplines such as the Cabala, the
>Tarot and Astrology when we compare them to nagualism? Have you ever had any
when i was first awakened last jan mar 97,
i was taken through in shamanistic wake dreaming through all the
tarots with specifics on certain ones, which are the ones i am or have
strengths in, and or should master, or i have infront of me
the one that i have gone into is the moon, and it is dangerous
and i and the guru and the others the group concerned are
in danger also, and we work as a team to make it go right
we are a large party with smaller parties working on different aspects
of the esp possibilities tied in with wake dreaming and magic
and shapeshifting and communications between all of us
collectively and singularity,
we have a few naguals, i believe with various superior talents
in searing and prophecies , and others that are good
with odds and ends that are frankly amazing and frightening
when combined with an obsessive nurotic personality
who is bi cameral as we all are or another word
not so nice is scizto and not devided in unawareness
the shamanic consciousness , is a medicine person
who can carry many souls and hear their voice and not
lose their identity even when they syncronize too too much
through trance states, and such,
of various levels from high trances and prayers
to low hypnotic pain induced trances
where you cant remember what happened
when you were tortured, a blackout
occurs
and makes all of us vunerable
and should be discouraged
until we get rid of all our egoic nurotic tendencies that
the eagle is supposed to eat,
the eagle is one who passed all the tests and difficulties
of the master sorcerer before him his benefactor
if you will,
and he is the teacher for the ones he carries,,,
yes , he is the very aware one to bring the ones
able up to par and on corse to carry the future
talented seers,,,
>contact with or maintain any contact with any of these or with their devotees?
>
>A: Once again, I don't have the slightest idea of what the premises are, or the
>points of view and subjects of such disciplines. Don Juan presented us with the
>problem of navigating into the unknown, and this takes all of our available
>effort.
oh gosh does it ever,
we all die daily,
and it takesaknack to earn a living with this work
it is good to live simply and frugally so you can do it..
because it is dangerous...
>
>Q: Do some of the concepts of your work, such as the assemblage point, the
>energetic filaments that make up the universe, the world of the inorganic
>beings, intent, stalking and dreaming, have an equivalent in Western knowledge?
yes.. i stalked god for 7years before i got to go to him and be or
experience his love , and his messiahs love, and cosmic conscious,
and planetary consciousness, and the green , human , earth ,stardust
conscious, the consciousness of the sun and stars is particularly
wonderfull...
dreaming awake , where you see spirits is something that i have done
all my life, and seering ahead in the future in dreams remembered
is a natural human skill
and i have done that even while a teen..
you are the first one to wonder if dj is the one to teach the wonders
of the manifestations of the human spirit it is prevelent in all
social and revelent religions and philosophies , jungarian and freud
psychologies, myths re, persorphone, and going down to hades
being raped, the soul, learns the winding passages of the laberinths
of the collective human race,
to way back when it is called the eleusian mysteries,
howard man is the one to write about all your questions
and the indians of the pyramid societies were quite and still are
very excellent at doing what dj could...
in mexico a thousand million mysteries still lie unfolded waiting for
the right dreamers dreaming up the truth,,,
stalking truth from the myths and symbolism prevelent in dreams
is what this is all about,
the history of the world and evolution of mankind is wrapte
in veils ...of darkness and lights,,,
the stalking is to be done impecably or not at all
the better the quicker you arrive, and lo and behold
your spirit descends , and your egoic tendencies
dies
and you develope humanitarian tendencies
and a heart as big as the cosmic seas...
and you love...that is the Magic and the Mystery of DJ...
the g and ww
wild...@peconic.net
On 23 May 1998 02:59:54 GMT, rstar...@aol.com (RStark1957) wrote:
>From . . . http://www.castaneda.com/intro/article.html
>
>Q: Assuming that don Juan's teachings have become part of occult literature,
>what's your opinion about other teachings in this category, for example Masonic
>philosophy, Rosicrucianism, Hermeticism and disciplines such as the Cabala, the
>Tarot and Astrology when we compare them to nagualism? Have you ever had any
>contact with or maintain any contact with any of these or with their devotees?
>
>A: Once again, I don't have the slightest idea of what the premises are, or the
>points of view and subjects of such disciplines. Don Juan presented us with the
>problem of navigating into the unknown, and this takes all of our available
>effort.
>
>Q: Do some of the concepts of your work, such as the assemblage point, the
>energetic filaments that make up the universe, the world of the inorganic
>beings, intent, stalking and dreaming, have an equivalent in Western knowledge?
>For example, there are some people who consider that man seen as a luminous egg
>is an expression of the aura
>
>A: As far as I know, nothing of what don Juan taught us seems to have a
>counterpart in Western knowledge.
> Once, when don Juan was still here, I spent a whole year in search of
>gurus, teachers and wise men to give me an inkling of what they were doing. I
>wanted to know if there was something in the world of that time similar to what
>don Juan said and did.
the way a Master Sourcer of Love and Infinity and Eternity
manefests, is in manifold ways,
according to the needs of the population he is to serve
he is a world class seer and his work is very needed here,
so the way he is presented and taught is the way he should be bought
but he is part and parcial of the great white brotherhood of the
thousands of years pasts, the love sorcerers who loved
humanity and the earth so much,
each one revealed exactly what they should like a prophet
would,
they are the Lion Hearted Prophets and
Seers of the world in the past present and future
they are the ones to love with all your heart mind and soul
for they are the ones to sacrifice their own petty lives
for the good of the groups that needed help and guidances
so much, they took the ones to their breasts literally
and became so psychic that it was easy for them to guess
what each one needed, like a guru or master would
but my thinking is they may even soar higher and dryer
than the gurus and masters
they the djs are the ones to be the gurus gurus gurus,
they are in different potencies, some made it all the way
like dj did,..
> My resources were very limited and they only took me to meet the
>established masters who had millions of followers and, unfortunately, I
>couldn't find any similarity.
it is funny ,
dj did tell cc , i do believe, that he will come to him
not cc to dj,
that is a traditional way of the naguals
and sorcerers,
i could not afford to go on pilgramige
to god in isreal, to the bahai temples
moslem temples christian temples or the
mosiac temples,
I felt bad
cause i wanted so to die to all but god
and anyway
i stalk him , my spirit
and cleanse myself to meet him
and when i was lightened up
from my egoic tendencies
he met me halfway
like yogananda promises
in my bedroom in 77
and took, me to his heaven and i experienced so much
funny thing is that my guru
at the seminare
said the same thing
he called me to his room and
i stood their
he would not open the door
and repeated the lesson several times again
over and over saying
that i will not go to him
he will come to me,
and i am learning the reasons why
in eternity , the esp can be an element of
trickery and sorcery and you really have to be skilled
to tell the difference between truth and lies.
and this is the whole truth and the big problem
re sorcery, it can be smoke and mirrors,
all the way,
but when the lover finds his beloved
the master finds his disciple to die for
and he dies daily
to lead them through the halls of mirrors
and tomfoolery
some in jest and some death threatening
diesires to kill others,
it can become very DAngerous like
micheal jacksons album cover
it is a
circus that is so dangerous
leave me alone one of his songs
is the one i identify with
when the obsessive foolish ones
played upon my soul and body
and harmed me and tortured me
and didint care,
well mj
did get up and walk away.
and the carnival dream
fell apart it can be a trapp
but if you see the cover of dangerous
you see that he went deeper than ever
again and again,,
the sorcerers are a brave lot
but can they stay ethical and cause no harm
when exploring the universe, of the psyche and soul
of infinity.
the g and ww
Marilyn
Randy, did you really think it would do any good?
Wings, so many people here have tried to talk to you and help you. You
want us to listen to you, but you will not allow yourself to listen to
all the good and caring messages that people try to give to you. You
can break it. You can stop it. You have the power and strength to
break the ties and tell all those demons to pack their bags and leave
you alone. You need to give up riding in your dreams. Don't allow
anyone to enter your domain. Stop them, refuse them to enter. Stay
grounded in the first attention until you have control again. Close
your gap. Protect yourself, put up shields. Be your own master. You
can do it.
Marilyn
Brandy Dominick
V won't do this because she'd have to burst the bubble of her
self-importance that says she's suffering for all of us. There's got to be
a tremendous amount of energy trapped in her efforts to save us all.
In the end, she's just killing herself and maybe not so slowly. And for
absolutely nothing.
Brandy
Marilyn wrote in message <6kdqq0$egh$1...@newsd-142.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...
Robotica
In article <172F3B5B495A7871.7AAECC80...@library-proxy.airnews.net> "Brandy Dominick" <bran...@bigfoot.com> writes:
>From: "Brandy Dominick" <bran...@bigfoot.com>
>Subject: Re: For Wildwings . . .
>Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 17:23:49 -0500
>V won't do this because she'd have to burst the bubble of her
>self-importance that says she's suffering for all of us. There's got to be
>a tremendous amount of energy trapped in her efforts to save us all.
There you go
1/17/1997
The old part of the dream still operates numerically.
>In the end, she's just killing herself and maybe not so slowly. And
>for absolutely nothing.
>Brandy
Its her life and her death. Maybe shes doing what she chooses.
>Marilyn wrote in message
<6kdqq0$egh$1...@newsd-142.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...>Randy, did you really think
it would do any good?
>Wings, so many people here have tried to talk to you and help you. You
>want us to listen to you, but you will not allow yourself to listen to
>all the good and caring messages that people try to give to you. You
>can break it. You can stop it. You have the power and strength to
>break the ties and tell all those demons to pack their bags and leave
>you alone. You need to give up riding in your dreams. Don't allow
>anyone to enter your domain. Stop them, refuse them to enter. Stay
>grounded in the first attention until you have control again. Close
>your gap. Protect yourself, put up shields. Be your own master. You
>can do it.
>Marilyn
Every step into the woods requires a step out of the woods.
The deeper you go the higher you fly.
She hits her targets pretty scattershot.
But every once in a while... Bulls-Eye.
Plus I have a WW secret decoder ring.
I like her stuff sometimes.
Dr Spike
Marilyn
Brandy wrote re: Wings:
>There's got to be a tremendous amount of
>energy trapped in her efforts to save us all.
Yes, and if she channeled that said energy into helping and healing
herself, she would be Ok. She wastes it and allows it to disperse to the
point that she is going bonkers.
>In the end, she's just killing herself and maybe
>not so slowly. And for absolutely nothing.
That is really sad. How can someone achieve such levels of heightened
awareness and enhanced perception and let it all go to waste? Is it
really possible that she is being controlled by others and cannot pull
herself back out? If she would spend the same amount of time and energy
she spends on the computer, trying to heal herself, she could do it. I
am beginning to wonder how much of her ranting is just for attention.
She has been at this for so long now, that I would think she would have
completely lost her mind by now. Is she talking like this while doing
the dishes and vacuuming? If so, then she is crazy. If not, then it is
a show only for others benefit and to get attention.
M
Brandy Dominick
Robotica wrote in message ...
>In article
<172F3B5B495A7871.7AAECC80...@library-proxy.airnews.ne
t> "Brandy Dominick" <bran...@bigfoot.com> writes:
>>From: "Brandy Dominick" <bran...@bigfoot.com>
>>Subject: Re: For Wildwings . . .
>>Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 17:23:49 -0500
>
>>V won't do this because she'd have to burst the bubble of her
>>self-importance that says she's suffering for all of us. There's got to
be
>>a tremendous amount of energy trapped in her efforts to save us all.
>
> There you go
> 1/17/1997
> The old part of the dream still operates numerically.
>
>>In the end, she's just killing herself and maybe not so slowly. And
>>for absolutely nothing.
>
>>Brandy
>
>
> Its her life and her death. Maybe shes doing what she chooses.
I know, Grumpy, but part of me is still indulgent enough to feel sad about
it. But not enough to attempt a rescue, because she is choosing this for
herself.
Brandy
Brandy Dominick
Marilyn wrote in message <6kfmvu$fr3$1...@newsd-141.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...
Brandy wrote re: Wings:
>There's got to be a tremendous amount of
>energy trapped in her efforts to save us all.
Yes, and if she channeled that said energy into helping and healing
herself, she would be Ok. She wastes it and allows it to disperse to the
point that she is going bonkers.
Brandy: Just pissing it off.
>In the end, she's just killing herself and maybe
>not so slowly. And for absolutely nothing.
That is really sad.
Brandy: Got to agree with you.
How can someone achieve such levels of heightened
awareness and enhanced perception and let it all go to waste?
Brandy: It's easy, M, she doesn't want to give up her self-importance. As
long as she's lost in the ether and believing in her greatness and how
misunderstood she is, she's lost in about the worst kind of self-importance,
the martyr, self-effacing kind. It's heady stuff. Would you want to give
up being the savior of the world? It's ok if they don't understand, because
you luuuuuuuuv them soooooo much, and you're willing to die for them. It's
one thing if that even approaches a reality, at least we'd have a different
kind of discussion. But it is a reality in her own mind.
Is it really possible that she is being controlled by others and cannot
pull
herself back out?
Brandy: She could well be controlled by others, but not so that she can't
pull herself out. That's what personal choice is about. You can give your
life away here in the tonal, and you can give your energy away there. Is
she only deluded? Who knows. It is completely possible that she is
contacting others, but it is her self-importance that causes her to buy into
this, either way. She cannot pull back out because she does not want to.
She has no will to change.
If she would spend the same amount of time and energy
she spends on the computer, trying to heal herself, she could do it. I
am beginning to wonder how much of her ranting is just for attention.
Brandy: It's more than this. She doesn't get attention, really. People
take a brief foray at engaging, then ignore her. She is tenacious, and what
she does has no relation to the payback. Her real payback is in her belief
in her status as 'savior'.
She has been at this for so long now, that I would think she would have
completely lost her mind by now. Is she talking like this while doing
the dishes and vacuuming? If so, then she is crazy. If not, then it is
a show only for others benefit and to get attention.
Brandy: Don't have any idea what she's like in real life. But if she is
telling the truth, she is suffering badly in the real world. Her body is
not holding up well to what she is doing to herself, and that's the only
real concern I have for her, no matter how self-indulgent that concern may
be. I think she is committing a slow, or not so slow, suicide with her
actions. But I also think she's got the right to choose this. I don't
think this is a show for other's benefit, because she just ignores us all,
and goes right on and on and on.
M
wild...@peconic.net
>V won't do this because she'd have to burst the bubble of her
>self-importance that says she's suffering for all of us. There's got to be
>a tremendous amount of energy trapped in her efforts to save us all.
>
>In the end, she's just killing herself and maybe not so slowly. And for
>absolutely nothing.
i am not killing my self, but i am being born in the spirit by fire
and it is like rising like a phoenix of love and awareness
out of the burning nest,
so perhaps i have sacrificed the first attention for the rising
of the sun of reality and intensity of beauty knowledge and love
the spirit of the other higher attentions...
the g and ww
wild...@peconic.net
>V won't do this because she'd have to burst the bubble of her
>self-importance that says she's suffering for all of us. There's got to be
>a tremendous amount of energy trapped in her efforts to save us all.
>
>In the end, she's just killing herself and maybe not so slowly. And for
>absolutely nothing.
>
>Brandy
>
>
>Marilyn wrote in message <6kdqq0$egh$1...@newsd-142.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...
>Randy, did you really think it would do any good?
>
>Wings, so many people here have tried to talk to you and help you. You
>want us to listen to you, but you will not allow yourself to listen to
>all the good and caring messages that people try to give to you. You
>can break it. You can stop it. You have the power and strength to
>break the ties and tell all those demons to pack their bags and leave
>you alone.
hi ,
thank you, very much,
these diableros , are psycopathic obsessive nuerotic , that manifest
telekenetic and other disturbing esp phenominae,
they also do dj exercises that intensifies it,
they are not god realized people
and can not be near a sorce of power like a super nagual
with out their outnesses intensivfying in the presence of a masters
master,
they are attracted to the master like flies and you can not keep the
spanish flies off the exposed juciy fruit
it is useless
so you have to become skilled at the sorceric arts
in the dreamtime of esp pheniominae on the earth and in the astral
and keep on keeping because the ones that harash us are sometimes
unconscious too...
to boot, they do not have the high awareness that maybe the masters do
so here they are near a master by the luck bad or good of life
and they are doing all this damage to the master and his good
disciples
and co workers,
so a team was dreamed up to handle the situaltion
and we are doing it to some degree
when you fight urges that are subliminal it takes a large degree
of fortitude that is herculean in effort from the ones that handle it
including the sinning ones involved
the best way to make it go right is not let unawaken polergeist
mentally desturbed esp talented intelliegent humans who have
been around bad environments near a master and his powers
but if they are already good at esp and shapeshiftng and
have no will , are assumated by an evil sorcerer or if
they have a bad attitude that makes them defensive all the time
it can be wreaking havoc on the quality of llife for the
rest of the group and the future of mankind to some degree
in the unfoldment of esp tech and pyscho physcial manifestations
of extra sensory senses which are natural to man,,,
we do , as a group feel we have the power to bind
and or transform the evil intentions
we are training our apprentice sorcerers in the dreamtime
to come up with their own solutions
and we are unforlding the human creative abilities in the
area of research and discovery, of ot phenominae,,,
of sorcerery and like minded philosophies and religious
studies of magic and its applications such as the subject
of metaphysical studies, and all sorts of releases on the
talents and faculties of the innate soul and spirit of man..
we are learning and studying together,
and recording what we learn
their are many think and dreaming tanks
all over the world doing the dream sorcery and increasing
in their awareneses enough where they do remember what they
are doing in the alturnative esp world and do have
battle plans each day and a general course of action
to a good end phenomina with a product that is worthy
of study and development of mans innate important
talents to enable him to survive on the planet in a sane and
safe and free sorciety.
the fact that you are into the martial arts show that you are studying
the power of the astral light , the prana the chi the
great spirit the intelegence that permeates all matter
i am the one studying how to be one with the
great spirit and command it at will
to manifest as i wish
in great wisdom and caring dispassion love,
for all mankind,
my kind of sorcerery goes beyond yours
but i have the talent and ability to do so
i am into becoming very good at the martial arts also
so you may think of me as a
metaphysical god person who
works with the power of energy
with my mind,
and i will learn the art of manipulation
of light with my body
sort of like the differnce between
hatha yoga , body yoga
and
jhana yoga the mind yoga
i do the heart yoga
which is the
path of love,
> You need to give up riding in your dreams. Don't allow
>anyone to enter your domain. Stop them, refuse them to enter. Stay
>grounded in the first attention until you have control again. Close
>your gap. Protect yourself, put up shields. Be your own master. You
>can do it.
i have been my own master all my life
and i gotta say that i have never seen the likes
of my guru and his talents of manipulating matter like he
does and his friend is most amazing too,
whew,
they are beyond geniuses
and i hope i can
stretch and get so good at astral traveling
in bright technicolor
to my friends
soon with full recollection
of what i am doing,
i am doing it to a degree,
but my guru says im spoiled now and a wacky creative
profectionist like the rest of them
so we are the ones to invent as we go.
umm
marilyn are
you reading some of what happens to me
the good stuff
too,
what do you think about the
late late show article i wrote about
the movie of the spirits and humans
shown thru esp projected on the astral screen in my room
where all the friends astral projected to my room and
laid down where they wished and watched for hours
thru my human eyes and the gurus abiity to keep us
all in syn and send the picture universally to all the
assembleges in the room that are gathered round ,
it was so profound,
we saw shapeshifting and morphing of all sorts of
us who are already in syn with our friends where
we are the puppets of the master and work in the
great work of the white brotherhood and
do the fun research and discovery in the esp
phenominae area 51,,
we are getting used to going into the correct
syn and attention to combine our talents and resorches
in a group esp syn manner, we become one and
learn how to co ordinate ourselves to better
and more efficent hight iq behavior and incliniations...
and products,
their are small groups of us now each one is a special
division of special research and then we share
what we do, with each others at times
we call it the late late show...
sometimes it is all night long
in the void...
>
>
>Marilyn
>
>
wild...@peconic.net
On Tue, 26 May 1998 18:59:53 LOCAL, Machi...@Fact-Factory.Org
(Robotica) wrote:
>In article <172F3B5B495A7871.7AAECC80...@library-proxy.airnews.net> "Brandy Dominick" <bran...@bigfoot.com> writes:
>>From: "Brandy Dominick" <bran...@bigfoot.com>
>>Subject: Re: For Wildwings . . .
>>Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 17:23:49 -0500
>
>>V won't do this because she'd have to burst the bubble of her
>>self-importance that says she's suffering for all of us. There's got to be
>>a tremendous amount of energy trapped in her efforts to save us all.
i am not trying to save anyone, except record what i am learning
but the little warnings i give out are worthy of mentioning
and you should read them , someday you may have a
similar occurance and you may be glad you had preknowledge
of the situaltion, it can keep you sane and able to withstand the
mental strain of broken reality where things do go wrong or
not according to your will
no matter how powerful a sorcerer you are,
>
> There you go
> 1/17/1997
> The old part of the dream still operates numerically.
>
>>In the end, she's just killing herself and maybe not so slowly. And
>>for absolutely nothing.
>
>>Brandy
>
>
> Its her life and her death. Maybe shes doing what she chooses.
i did not choose it , it choose me,
but i must say it is not all bad
and some that are trapped with me in the void
are
depressed and when i go in syn with them
they can strike out at me and hurt me
so it is a dangerous place to be
and i have been trying to make it a better place
to be, a wonderful place
a safe place
where dreamers can dream and beautiful
knowledges can be revealed by the very
citizens who are trapped in the void
or nirvanic sector of the human reality
the void...
>
>>Marilyn wrote in message
><6kdqq0$egh$1...@newsd-142.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...>Randy, did you really think
>it would do any good?
>
>>Wings, so many people here have tried to talk to you and help you. You
>>want us to listen to you, but you will not allow yourself to listen to
>>all the good and caring messages that people try to give to you. You
>>can break it. You can stop it. You have the power and strength to
>>break the ties and tell all those demons to pack their bags and leave
>>you alone. You need to give up riding in your dreams. Don't allow
>>anyone to enter your domain. Stop them, refuse them to enter. Stay
>>grounded in the first attention until you have control again. Close
>>your gap. Protect yourself, put up shields. Be your own master. You
>>can do it.
>
>
>>Marilyn
>
>
> Every step into the woods requires a step out of the woods.
> The deeper you go the higher you fly.
this is very profound realization statement
i have gone all the way to god , satori
long ago
so of course i would go all the way to hell
now
i am the one to transform hell and make it a magical warm
loving place, where one can rejuvanate oneself
with close examination of our ego and clean out our
psycological drawers , our libido then can be released
and all the more power to us for creative magical enterprises...
>
> She hits her targets pretty scattershot.
> But every once in a while... Bulls-Eye.
hey , thank you, yes, i am scatter shot
i hope to have more consistancy on the contain ment of reality
the void changes daily as my ghost astral guest do...
it is all in the power of syn and the collective reality
at the time of the occurance,
>
> Plus I have a WW secret decoder ring.
yesterday i really did give a ring to a friend
in the astral of my bedroom it is a spirit frontroom
for all my friends. we come to gether and have fun.
it is a magical ring, for a magical sorcerer,
are you abe cha cha because yester day i gave him
and designed a ring that is called the
Eclipse
it is like an eclipse , it is faceted,,,and made of alchemist gold,
and he , loved it!!!! he kept looking at it,
on hismiddle finger of his left hand,,,
with his napoleonic costume i made him
in deep tones,
his cape was beautiful on him and
the beard i mocked up on him looked
marvelous.
i also did my guru up with a magical sword
of micheal the angel with the lightenig of zues
within it,
and i did my magi friend, too,
and he is the one to do all of these people too
he and i have fun mocking up
imagery and astral phenominae,
a good time was had by all..
we were ready to go to the local
inn in old france or england the
way we were dressed,,,
>
> I like her stuff sometimes.
thank you very much,
i tell exactly what happens , i am not making up any stuff...
the guru and ww
>
> Dr Spike
wild...@peconic.net
>
>Marilyn wrote in message <6kfmvu$fr3$1...@newsd-141.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...
>Brandy wrote re: Wings:
>
>>There's got to be a tremendous amount of
>>energy trapped in her efforts to save us all.
my bahai training , as well as my upbringing
having read all the disaster science fictions
of the old days of castatrophic amphitude
of a bombs and invasive aliens , silent springs
the environmental movement,
all these scare or move or tune me into the reality
of what can be if we dont work on making
it go right
part of seering
is being able to seer trends
and fortell the future
in possible details
it can be a very logical art
as well as seeing into the future
by being aware of mens intentions
and not all are good
unfortunately.
the magic is to change mens collective
hearts and minds
who are or have a propensity
to slide downhill
into an apathetic momentum
that doesnt quit
until they cause men to hit
dead bottom
thru the poor quality of the media
such as movies and tv
as well as radio
i predict in the near future
big green movements
with the stars
and a return to a more
safe and sane living
where marriage is sacred...
and family charished
and protected
as well as a return in
faith in the god above
and that mankind does indeed
have future,
a new growth toward
one planet one mankind...
appreciating the unity
of love and free dom
in the diversity of our
many spledid cultures
of the world both old and new...
an anthropologists big
dreamtime dream
come true...
it is good news...ww
>
>Yes, and if she channeled that said energy into helping and healing
>herself, she would be Ok. She wastes it and allows it to disperse to the
>point that she is going bonkers.
I feel quite sane,
i am just sorry that more of mankind cannot experinece
the 2nd attention like i do.
the aborigines have the same kind of collective dream time
i am just writing it down in white mans language
through a mystics eyes who is a deaf artist,
woman, that is me...ww
>
>Brandy: Just pissing it off.
iwas told to recap my experiences so i can remember
them, especially the painful incidences otherwise
my spirit gets trapped inthe incident and my power
within is divided into different sectors of time
per incidient and i am not as powerful and have not
the awareness level i deserve, so the recapping is
very very very important to remembering and having
higher awarenesses,
>
>>In the end, she's just killing herself and maybe
>>not so slowly. And for absolutely nothing.
i find it the adventure of my life and i am sharingit with other
high quality exceptional people who walk the earth,
it is a wonderful thing but also dangerous.
for most,
>
>That is really sad.
it is sad and it is nice,
this may be a sample of what to expect after you die
arent you curious to know...
>
>Brandy: Got to agree with you.
i liived a full normal life up to 17 months ago..
and then i was Awakened, into the dreamtime.
>
> How can someone achieve such levels of heightened
>awareness and enhanced perception and let it all go to waste?
i plan to write novels about it, probably will be classified as
fictitious materials
i have not had the time , to write the novels but i have written
over 3000 posts on the subject and evolution of what goes on
between a master guru and his disciples and friends, and our hopes
and aspirations being dreamed up and put forth into the material world
someday when it is the right syn i will write those novels
of what happened to me,,
and the romance and adventure and dangers of sorcery
but it is still heavy in occurances right now and we feel
that working and dreaming up the future and solving the
diffences of the diableros and the friends the sorcerers that love
the world and want a united planet in brotherhood must be resolved
and made into a peace that can hold all of us together
so that when we attack the out side world and
explore the esp faculties and expand our influences for a good
sane and free enterprise free world that is a federation of united
nations inthe hopes and aspiriations of world peace and
equanamity in all things such as access to universal education
free for all, as well as equal economic opportunity and a safe
sane way of using our natural resource and replacing them
wisely so that the earth improves in her health..
and florishes and prospers....and lives long...
vulcan signal, smile...ww
>
>Brandy: It's easy, M, she doesn't want to give up her self-importance. As
>long as she's lost in the ether and believing in her greatness
i am not great, i am a humble deaf person who may be considered
insane by most until they talk with me and understand that i have
a creative high intellegence that may at times border on genius
simply because i am not a genius my iq was 151 last time measured
11 years ago, but the ones i hang out with in the I am , the void
the collective esp think tank , they have assort. high very high mensa
iqs, and are creative genius, i am very creative at visualizations
and imagination, and my belief system is wide open and able
to withstand the changes from day to day of the other reality
its structure changes and to have a continuety and continue
to remember , is remarkable in itself
it means that i have a spirit underlying as a foundational
rug that remembers everthing that happens to me
and that i am using it as my focus or frame of reference
every moment, even while in the different attentions,
you are the product of your environment and i love
your environment
to have a safe quiet life is esential , plus a garden
or nature in abundance near, and fair health
a good mental attitiude is important as
you create your days by expectation,,,
you get what you think you are going to get...
plenty of bed rest is very good too
becuase it is a strain to the psyche to exercise
the soul and her ablitiies, and the esp faculties
as well as the physical vitality that is so tied
up in attitude.ww
>and how
>misunderstood she is, she's lost in about the worst kind of self-importance,
>the martyr, self-effacing kind.
when something this heavy comes down from who knows where
you got to have a bellief a philosophy of why it is,
if you dont belief in a god that lives and loves
you are lost in self importance,
you are reduced to servant of the lord
if you do belief in a god
and it helps you to adjust to conditions
sometimes beyond your control
i have given my will to the lord
long time ago ,
i believe in service to mankind in the largest way
i have been like this since i was 20 years old
i am 48 now, so i wont change that way.
i am more concerned with the general survival of mankind
and god is gracious and giving me the responsiblity to work
with the Friends on achieving these ends,
but i see not a whit of importance or fame
i am not intersested i care not for designer names
but if my friend is a design which one is
by the way,
in ny, city,
it is not my fault
you see
people are people are people
we are all born alone and we die alone
from him we came and to him we go.
they only way we are different is in our
asst viewpts and experiences,
after we go to the other side
i expect to see and hear some tall tails
i feel i have gone to the other side
like a seer does.
and yet my guru could take it all from
me in a second,
he is the one who we all live through
and we all live through each others
the combine syn of our collectivity
of esp
is the tech of the gods
and
it will be the natural thing
or evolution of the creative
ones of the future,,
more and more are falling into the void
and are taking their cue
that the event is importiant and to
work with it,,,
we do write ddown all that we learn
and will and do record it as in
sciencetific notes for the records
and the futures
it is not just me
it is others and i am, the lucky and unlucky one
to put it down.
i am the safe one to put it down
no one will take me seriously
if it was a esteemed sorcerer or
scientist of human behaviorism
in syncronistity it may get noticed,
so
it is funny , isnt it,,,
smile.
but know this
it is a bounty to read of my experiences
and i hope you do appreciate my
notes to you all, i share my
inner dreamtime life with you all
in spite of your petty tyrant
critisms and amateurish comments
of psychological implicative judgements
that have not a whit of bearing or relation
to what this is all about,
where is the jungarian to really get into the
dream time and
we want to pick up a jungarian psychologist
for their comments and eval on the dream time
and maybe we will,,,
or perhaps i should just start reading his
thesises and sharing them with my
collective dreamtime sorcerer genius friends
so we have even more understanding of what
this is all about in respect to
the psyche developenents of the soul
myth is alot of this
and any anthropologist would know that
and cc was and is the expert on myth,,,,ww
>It's heady stuff. Would you want to give
>up being the savior of the world? It's ok if they don't understand, because
>you luuuuuuuuv them soooooo much, and you're willing to die for them. It's
>one thing if that even approaches a reality, at least we'd have a different
>kind of discussion. But it is a reality in her own mind.
and the others who participate in this great experiment,,,of sharing
the dreamtime,,,and spontaniously creating new dreamtime at every
moment, it keeps getttng more aware and more expansive, ww
this is true and i am almost afraid of the void spreading far and wide
in intellectual anylytical circles that dwell near universities
for example as well as the new age circles all over the earth,,,ww
>
> Is it really possible that she is being controlled by others and cannot
>pull
>herself back out?
yes. smile, they love me, and some have a problem with me,,,ww
but we are working on it.
>
>Brandy: She could well be controlled by others, but not so that she can't
>pull herself out. That's what personal choice is about.
brandy, the only way i might be able to get out of it
would be to move to russia, but i dont know, because
of the kind of linking that it is made up of,
they all can shapeshift astral project,
the crowd keeps getting larger andmore personal power is availiable to
all.
thank god it is the upper well wishers of humanity who is in the think
tank void that is esp in nature,..ww
> You can give your
>life away here in the tonal, and you can give your energy away there. Is
>she only deluded? Who knows. It is completely possible that she is
>contacting others, but it is her self-importance that causes her to buy into
>this, either way.
you all are hard on me, ha...
boy,
imagine this, if you have 300 or more individuals doing the dreamtime
and waking up the collectivity of the dreamtime
multiples the force , the mental magical power within,
that is accessable to each and everyone of us,
collectively and individually
though i do believe that if one individuates too too too
much and thinks only of their own selfish ends
they are the ones to get softer and faded receptions
on the esp line, where one who is interested
in the new world government where there is justice and mercy for all
and freedom for ever especially in the realm of dreaming and dreamtime
and interested in the conduct of saftymeasures to insure that we will
stay free , mind control can never flourish and prosper around us,
we are the free warriors of the rainbow of nations of the earth....
mans natural innate spiritual faculties are freely given by god to man
and should be alllowed to develope when it can,
we are the ones to ensure that it will inspite of the ones who fear
such things, as sorcerres and witchery , sciences of the physical
extra sensories,
these powers can be used for good or evil and we are the ones
to take responsiblities to ensure that they get safely brought into
being and birthed collectivally as god did mean it to be where the
lion sorcerer and the lamb of god can lie down in the same meadows
of love in the dreamtime from heaven above,,,,,
now....in the present we love and we love,
we will get it together and present it with love to the ones who live
and love the earth first, and it , the abiltity will grow
but you have to agree the ones to do it are the philanthrophsist and
the
humanists...
the ones who love the lion kings and queens who love so
passionately the earth and are born free,,,
forever...
> She cannot pull back out because she does not want to.
>She has no will to change.
i have tried to pullout at least once a day
because the implications and the strength of the reality is so strong
but i am not released
and it seems to be getting better,
so we have to all hang in and not
escape by suicide or drugs or insanity.
we are so strong to stay sane and take this
all in, it is a bounty to be here in this void
but it is very painful to see too much too soon
as we young ones have, and their are young ones
in this void and it takes all they can , to stay sane
we are learning how to help them from getting too
powerful and obsessive, to be developing spiritual l.ove
of the world and of humanity ,and not be bitter
about falling in the void, each ones of us
are concerned about certain sectors of society
and ones like mj are the ones who wish to hellp
the children in the void having had been in it himself
at a young age,
it is a difficult journey at best,,,
it is the initiator of the new race of men born free,,,
and superior , if they make it across the threshold
of tests and difficulties lhelped by the elders
that they must learn to co habitate with and respect
their age and standing their knowledges and their
love and wisdoms they have aquired serving mankind in
their respective occupatiions ...
it is time to change our attitudes from black and white
to multi many colored birds of a feathers who flock together
in the spirit in the highest way, and dignity celebraition our
universialtity and brotherhood of man kind, the human race
never had it so good, so lets celebrate with angelic rapture
like an eagle would and soar in the highest celetial alttudes.
near the sun of reality where we will feel so free.and spiritual..
smile,
thank you...
the g and m
and ww
we are the monkey snatcher, the monkey king is the one we love
and we thank him for the monkey 1ooth syn drome
the monkey of ancient indian heritage , the one that we all do love
is the one who is the faithful disciple of rama krisna maybe 20,ooo
ago..
he will be loved and remembered for all times how much he loved
his master his prophet of long ago....
and how he demonstrate his brotherhood and bravery
when he rescured ramas kidnaped wife siva from the wicked
hands of the evil sorcerer and so bravely brought her back
to her king and savior , rama...
the baton the monkey king carries
simbolises spiritual strengths in all things, of the
spirit,,,,something to remember....
never to give up hope or faith that it will turn out all right
just one more day , we wait, and we will not have to sacrifice
this is the wish and will of the children of the world
who live each day as their last in the hopes that it will end,,,,
we want to provide a better earth and heaven for them....
the ones in this void are the ones that are so brave and
we want them to be strong and remember it will get better
and better , they are the ones that god put here
and he is the wise one who never tests a soul beyond
his abiltity to withstand it...o child of the world
take comfort in that counsel,,,
i love you , all of you all the Friends my Lovers of mankind
and human welfare was never better than now, i am
and feel sufficed and fed spiritually from this session
in whtich we hjave all come together, i n love and
wholehearted hopes of dreams come true....
thankyou m...
for those beautifuls words of inspiration.
the g and m and ww
Marilyn
Wings wrote:
>I feel quite sane.
Wings, you are sometimes and you are not other times. What you are
experiencing is not normal, at least your reactions to what is happening
to you. You say you are happy and all is well now, but, a few weeks ago
you were writing some horrific stuff about how tortured you were and
being torn apart etc. etc. Your postings here, are many times not in
touch with reality, whatsoever. For you to bring this type of influence
and experience into the first attention is dangerous. It has to been
done carefully. CC spent years retrieving all the stuff that happened
to him in the 2nd attention. You are not returning to the tonal
properly. CC has written about the dangers of the second attention.
People go crazy there. If someone spends to much time there, the
consequences are devastating. You are a prisoner trapped by inability
to control what is happening to you. If you don't come back to the hard
ground of the tonal and separate what is happening to you from the 2nd
attention you will lose your sanity. You will. No one's mind can
tolerate and handle what you are experiencing on a continual basis and
survive intact. I care about you, in a certain kind of way, for I have
seen the true pain you suffer sometimes in some of your posts. You have
put yourself through to much in the last few years and your mind and
tonal, which is what keeps us sane, is losing the battle. DJ says that
we have to trick our tonal into accepting what the 2nd attention brings
forth, and it has to be done very cautiously. You should find someone
who will help you break the connection that some of these "people" have
over you. You need an experienced shaman healer who can help you
release those "connections". You can find freedom, but you have to let
go of it all, until your mind and tonal have recovered. I only wish the
best for you.
M
wild...@peconic.net
>
>Marilyn wrote in message <6kfmvu$fr3$1...@newsd-141.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...
>Brandy wrote re: Wings:
>
>>There's got to be a tremendous amount of
>>energy trapped in her efforts to save us all.
>
>Yes, and if she channeled that said energy into helping and healing
>herself, she would be Ok. She wastes it and allows it to disperse to the
>point that she is going bonkers.
i am really happen to address these issues of being trapped in the
void
where good and bad things happen everyday..in that dreamtime
that is growing stronger and more active as we go...
>
>Brandy: Just pissing it off.
>
>>In the end, she's just killing herself and maybe
>>not so slowly. And for absolutely nothing.
>
>That is really sad.
>
>Brandy: Got to agree with you.
>
> How can someone achieve such levels of heightened
>awareness and enhanced perception and let it all go to waste?
>
>Brandy: It's easy, M, she doesn't want to give up her self-importance. As
>long as she's lost in the ether and believing in her greatness and how
>misunderstood she is, she's lost in about the worst kind of self-importance,
>the martyr, self-effacing kind. It's heady stuff. Would you want to give
>up being the savior of the world?
i did , want to stop helping save the world, and tried hard to run
away, many times, when the evil pounds on me, bad effects
that are frankly amazing to see and feel.
i just want to end it all and die to myself and the world.
so does the evil one, she is the one with the self importance
cause she needs it, she has to take care of her bad evil
habits, and she is singing this in syn while i type it
she is the one to be put in the mood to sing by the m of above
she is the one to want to be better to make it go right for the world
she is the one that wants another maybe many chances and changes
to make within her self..
thank you ielie
i , ww , am the one to die daily with out too much reward, but i am
getting better at enjoyig myself ,,,
there are others in the void like ol bobby of the east coast
the coast is clear bobby you can come out of hiding
he is being trained as a super slueth..smile.
we are just ramblilng as a singing in syn group,,,
he is the one to really suffere at the hands of a ielie , too...
they make you suffere so hard that you go practically insane
they are driving you down into deeper attentions. and remembering
staying alive and awake in heavy pain and your objectivity reality
staying intact,, is what it is all about....
when you go deep enough you hit the bootleg, of gold, the gold
of the spirit , the layer of buddic bliss consciousness, that is why
they do it,
but if it is done wrong it can damage your personal personality
and ability to love....
surrendering bliss is a bad name,
bliss of the love making kind is not the same
it is better,
and it is the evolving one...
that is the one to do for it creates syn and harmony
the other syn of the surrendering kind
is the one to fear, for it does create syn of a lower kind,
where we all combine in a laste ditch modem of survivial
at the lowest chakra, hynotic and collective as hell
and high water,
it is isis and osirus , living in the other, not my own life at all
.ileie has seen whole villages wiped out in the sleepy villages
of the third world or survival of the prostitutes where
the power routed collectively in the lower chakras made assesable
to all involved and in syn with have the power with in at the same
time,
it is good to route the lpower of all the upper chakras to the buddic
layer too...
there is the below the belt layer that we are trained in
and that is the raising of instincts, and it is raised by
raiding the persons space in all ways until he
surrenders to death each time,
and goes into heavy bliss,
the way above the belt is training in the humanity arts
and the wisdoms of the budda,
and all the way are we tested, and put in difficulties
until we have understanding from death of ego,
and bliss does arrive at your hearts door....
I HAVE TO SAY THAT THE TERRIBLE ATTACKS ON ME
THAT I CANT EVEN REMEMBER THEM ALL SO MANY AND
SO PAINFUL, ALL NIGHT LONG TORMENTING ME,
DRIVING ME FOREVER, VERY DEEP IN THE ATTENTIONS
HAS CAUSED ME TO BE VERY VICIOUS IN MY ABILITY
TO BE VERY QUICK AND PERCEPTIVE TO INVADING
SPIRITS IN THE ROOM THAT I AM IN AND IN MY FRIENDS
ROOMS. TOO,
IT HAS EXPANDED MY ABILITY TO SEE ESP WISE FURTHER
AND IN A WIDER RANGE MADE MORE POSIBLE BECAUSE
I HAD TO SEE THE ENEMY...TO COMBAT IT...
I AM SHOCKED AT HOW STRONG I AM , BEING ABLE TO EVEN
DOWN SOME STRONG ONES.
THIS IS IN THE AREA OF ASTRAL ENTITIES , I STILL NEED
TRAINING IN THE MARTIAL ARTS BUT I DO FEEL THAT
THIS TRAINING HAS IMPROVED MY REACTION TIME
IMMEASURABLY....
but the bottom layers are the most important to the third world
becuase things are not so good for them
it is a basic survival tool and is expected to be unlease first
in the training of sorcers in the martial arts of sorcerey so that
they have the advantage over the enemy as a syncronystic group
sort of like bruce lee who demonstrated with his friends
the syn cronsitic fighting of the sorceric enemy that they
opposed....
so this combining of the lower syn and its surrender to natures will,
and the higher syn with its love and surrender to gods will,
both manifest in bliss and powers..of syn...
the collective powers of each gate is something to be studied
by us in the future, it should be interesting,
> It's ok if they don't understand, because
>you luuuuuuuuv them soooooo much, and you're willing to die for them. It's
>one thing if that even approaches a reality, at least we'd have a different
>kind of discussion. But it is a reality in her own mind.
why dont you exercise your imagination and work on stretching your
belief system and pretend for an hour that it is true,
i benefited from that concept of attitude along time ago,.
when i read of many gurus and masters who experienced
god consciousness and ectasy, and all claimed that there are gurus
who can shapeshift and appear all at once to 20 different disciples
in different locations,
now i know how they do it,
and it takes alot of power with in
and it is hazardous to do , if you deal with dark characters like
diableros.
> Is it really possible that she is being controlled by others and cannot
>pull
>herself back out?
yes. i am not sure if it is the collective that keeps me in by
gravitational force or if it is my location and proximately nearness
physically to the guru or if it is his love for me and his disire and
will to keep me prisoner like a master sorcerer would do to his
chela or student to make sure they make it through the tests and
difficulties dead or alive,,
>
>Brandy: She could well be controlled by others, but not so that she can't
>pull herself out. That's what personal choice is about. You can give your
there is no personal choice, you have to understand that,,
the only choice i have is to kill myself, and that is hard to do..
i did try to
take sleeping pills with alcohol 12 of them, with whisky
but what is funny is ( ihate pills)
when i took two pills i sleept for two days,
but when i took 12 pills i did not sleep at all
they would not let me, they speed my brain up so fast
that the pills had no effect even when combined with
the whisky that i drank,,,
and the last time i tried it they made my brain go in syn so fast
it burned me and hurt and i did not sleep for two days,
and they baby watched me the whole d-time...worrying that i would
stop breathing because i do stop breathing at times,,,becuase of the
stopping of the fast syn rotation which is like heavy stimulants
to conterbalance the effects of the depressants found in the
sleeping pills,
if it stops too quickly the parasympathetic system goes out and i cant
breath or move my lungs they collapse and are paralyzed,
they stayed with me for another reason too, the bad diableros
wanted to come and stop my breathing while under the effects of the
pills where i would not wake up struggling to breath because of too
much sleeping pills.
there is a real problem here with the diableras,
they have been trained to survive below the belt
and instinctively and care not a whit about any other kind of survival
they understand only survivial of self
not collectivelly , unless it is done collectively inthe first few
chakras,,,,
which is kinda normal for alot of peoplle
but i and others do like to survive above the belt and the collective
survival above the belt is for me of survivial by means of collecting
knowledge and wisdoms and teaching buddic love of humanity
teaching the wisdom of perferring your brothers life over your own
and the glories of the spirit revealed in high splendor the higher up
the sorcerers gates or chakras you go,.reaching to the top of the head
where the 1001 petals or sorcerers leaves of love are located,,
these leaves of the heavenly devine tree of hte collective sorcrerers
of the past each leaf of paradise contains immeasurable manifold
wisdoms of the human spritual realities....
heaven lies there in wait ,, for you to come home to god...or the
Maker....
>life away here in the tonal, and you can give your energy away there. Is
>she only deluded? Who knows. It is completely possible that she is
>contacting others, but it is her self-importance that causes her to buy into
>this, either way. She cannot pull back out because she does not want to.
>She has no will to change.
i probably have more will than any of you in any combination...
these are severe tests and difficulties
what i see is , and i am kind of glad , is a natural sense of
i am glad that i am me becuase i am born in america
and i am special and she is not, she is inferior because her
reality is different,
don juans reality is differnent , he is a humble indian proud of
his heritage, kingly in his spiritual stance, and yet so humble
in his carriage and beingness before the great spirit,
what did the proud and haughty foolish spanish
so called civilized city dwellers think of him
hmmmm, they never knew...they had not a clue,,,,
what manifold riches and bounties of heaven lie
with in the heart of humble before the great spirit
don juan...
he truley was the servant of god...
> If she would spend the same amount of time and energy
>she spends on the computer, trying to heal herself, she could do it. I
>am beginning to wonder how much of her ranting is just for attention.
it really helps me to recapitate each incident that happens
and examining it with my co habitants within the void,
for it is their incident in most cases too, and in large amount when
they were hurting me they were rendered unconscious by an earlier
incident similar to what i was going through, i just hope that in the
future
i dont do the same thing, becuase i just can t be cruel even for the
sake
of enlightenment and syn, and quickenng awakinging of the natural
defense mechanisms needed for the martial arts response time.
my guru did say they went way overboard some is ok, but they
oded me,,on it..or over run the process of accessing my response
survival time. sorcery is self perpetuating, if you have it done to
you
and you go unconscious , chances are you will do it toanother
and it is a group survivial thing that has been done through the ages
the very rough iniitiation proceedures for men and women all through
the ages have been very severe, and done in hynotisms and trances,
it is secret medicine, and ritual. for many tribel societies and they
are the ones who have trouble surviving in the physicality so the
extra sensorie waking up the faculties through pain , is the way they
did it, and the syncronsity is a collective faculty of when the many
become one and more intelegent so they can survive better too
in times of emergency..these things were used and taught
in the days when the aztecs were raiding the toltec villages for
hundreds of years, they did keep the wisdoms and traditions of the
ancient knowledges of the feathered serpant who taught the gifts
of the spirit manifested and thegifts of the great spirit descended...
upon mans body...
when the chela is being attacked horribly
over and over again by spirits
ruthlessly
he is hurt that his master hates him and wants to torturehim
and then he developes hate for the master or the diablero
involved and then , if he lives through it , he developes by coping
sorceric skills of amazing ampitude from being pushed beyond his
ability to do so. and if he does not go crazy from it , and can
recover his sense of being human and his relation to the macrocosm
he is a bonifide capable sorcerer of the very finest school the school
of hard knocks in the physical and spiritual universe,
just hanging with a powerful sorcerer , his enermies are enought
to torture you and him, if they hurt you ,and he loves you
he can go insane trying to cope with the stress and difficulties
the intensity of their natureal power within ups the hardness of the
difficulties of the ones involved because the diableros do use your
powers within against you...
for they can practice magic within your territory and syn with you
that is why sorcerers are hard to get in syn with , they are
vunerable...indeed..
>
>Brandy: It's more than this. She doesn't get attention, really. People
>take a brief foray at engaging, then ignore her. She is tenacious, and what
>she does has no relation to the payback. Her real payback is in her belief
the payback is the experiencing,
when i die, i cant take money or possession over the hill with me
but i can take my love for my collective friends and guru
and my tales of my life inner and outer too, to tell the prophets and
the holy ones that live for love...and mankind,
they will listen and love it..
>in her status as 'savior'.
>
>She has been at this for so long now, that I would think she would have
>completely lost her mind by now.
i have a strong mental reality that is very flexible
and cognizant of the variety of religious experiences,
i am no stranger to others realities of a metaphysical quality
and know very well indeed that if carlos said this happened to him
and don juan is real , it was real,,, see, when you realize and wake
up to the fact that the universe is full of miraculous events that
still later on in the century can be explained by physics and quantum
laws and properties that still yet need to be explored and measured,
as of now..many of the phenominae i experience will be like tek wars
on sci fi channel on tv by william, shatner, where it is a common
thing
to expand and facilitate the mind and her dreaming skills.
the strange and wonderful world of carlos castananda
what does it communicate , that phrase,
a world would be a collective reality that you can join into
now if it had collective assemblege esp faculties,
think of the possibilities ,
well he was taught the realities of the indians,
in medicine magics,
of natures magic that can be accessed
what could that possibly mean/
well, shapeshifing morphing , dreamtime, are common indian realities
that are really real to them , it just well may be real period
all you have to do is shift your view point your reality understanding
a bit and you can see their perceptions by syncronistity and syn
events. you have to go into what i call indian time , which is
eternity. it happens and comes around in its own time...and place...
and their is a collective knowing ness among indians , they are
wells of ancient spiritual gifts and apptitudes that can be taught to
us whities that have become numb and dead to the world of the spirit.
> Is she talking like this while doing
>the dishes and vacuuming?
for a long time i was so into a trance and having great difficulties
and so remote and couldnt co ordinate my inner life with my outer life
i had to get an intergration of the first and second attention now i
can
do anything anybody can, but i do prefer to stay heavily into the
second and lower attentions.
indians live in the second attention and they are not crazy
their reality is different from white men,,,
>If so, then she is crazy. If not, then it is
>a show only for others benefit and to get attention.
at first i thought i may indeed be crazy but as i went on
into the adventure of talkig to the ones with in me and their telling
me
to find clear greens www home site, and telling me about the
past history of all involved that is relavant for me to know
and then me finding the same data in this adc new,
later, and timely data given in proper sequence and
gradiant application of reality so i did not flip out ...done in a way
that i can take greater and greater
doses of non reality sequences,
i know dp went through similar things, he is very incoherrent at times
and i know that he is exploring the higher mind of physics and
structures of the universe , these notes he writes are incoherrent to
all but him...
they are his recaps, i am thiniking,
we all go into the dreamtime diffeently
some of us make it across and some of us dont,,,
the reason that i made it across safely is that the gaurdians of the
faith involved were set upon making it go right, because it is special
and an experiement in time and syn..
it is a special experiment not for everyone,
their is more to come and it is for research and discovery..
we are proud...
wf
it really surprises wf that i can chat so easily over the esp
telephone at any time of day without a panic feeling
of strangeness the very fact of my and your acceptance
of the esp faculty is wonderful, and yes the fact that miss
ww does have a wide reality basis does syn with us and becomes
our basis and we are able to do more because of it and it facilitates
a different responsible attitude and outlook for the masses and the
future, than perhaps we saw before picking her up and awakening her.
we are an inner esoteric society school of the white brotherhood
serving the great plan for mankind and his future, this
inner group has been around for a long long long time , and medicine
men of all races, that is , gurus and master sorcerers have met each
others and subscribed to the inner ideals that are taught on the esp
lines that are so natural to man , when your sorcerers gates are
opened to a certain degree...
so when you evolve to a certain state of awareness, you go through
the silence and break the barrier between the first and second
attention, and you start hearing the voice of many waters,
the voice of the master and his disciples,
they will come to you, dependent on what ray of spirit your are born
with,
your quality of tensegrity has to match one of the rays of the seven
rays, or seven chakras , my ray was the sorcerer ray which is the
lotus or seventh chakra, it is a hard ray to master, and is filled
with tests and difficulties, we do travel in each of the seven rays
or gates or chakras and when we come to kether, or the last chakra
it is the one that makes gurus,
or sorcerers that are very good,
kether is on the caballa tree of life which is the spine and her
chakras
the top one is the lotus too. and it is the flaming face , power and
glory within the human body,,,the might of god.
with the crown of royalty, and kinglyness, wearing and having the
great spirit, and the jewels of heavens gifts...
with the hand holding a blue cube,
the hand and blue cube symbolizes, mans mastery over the spiritual
faculties , blue, the color of the assesory point and the third eye,,,
and the cube symbolizes master over matter,,,
the fact that kether has no body means that it is spiritual gifts and
nature born...
>Brandy: Don't have any idea what she's like in real life.
in real life i am very nice, i smile alot , i am very real and
extremely down to earth , i cook really well, i am a tallented artist
i can paint realistic portraits and do interesting watercolors ,you
name it i can do it, any media you like
also i am a decorator, and a designer, having many tallents of
allsorts
i am a good personell worker
having been consullar to many people and chairman , or secretary to
other religions , i am a terrrific hostess, very friendly and speak
clearly in spite of my total deafness,
smile, ha.
i do love to teach the spiritual realities, and i do just that all my
life
in the physical and now on the esp lines, and here on adc,
i am a teacher, ....and a dreamer,,,
for humanity...
> But if she is
>telling the truth, she is suffering badly in the real world. Her body is
>not holding up well to what she is doing to herself, and that's the only
>real concern I have for her, no matter how self-indulgent that concern may
>be.
my anemia is caused by genetic considerations of hypothyroid and
spirits sitting on me, or in me like i am a blue scout type of
medicine woman,,
i am training the dogs, or the rebellious unconscious ones who refuse
to obey and listen to reason or refuse to care that they really are
doing damage to me , and to others when then vampire off tensegrity
too too too much from the ones that love and are disciples of the
master, ,,, and the inner school of magic,
> I think she is committing a slow, or not so slow, suicide with her
>actions.
it is a suicide of my ego, because most people will think i am crazy
and to have the gumty and the stomach and drive and certitude to
stand by my inner reality without shame is a strength of a warrior,
people will laugh at me and the others in the esp collective,
and you may think i am wasting time but i am comforting some who
read these posts , and that to me is a confort for i am helping them
understand and catorgorize this separate reality that is growing
within our greater collective community over the nation today and the
world tomorrow,,,
and this pleases me to a tiny link in the understanding and
consolidation or materialization formation process of the collective
esp of the Friends who love the world and mankind,,,
> But I also think she's got the right to choose this.
when you give your will to god , at an early age and then develope
along
traditional lines of human medicine men and women, you just dont have
a choice as you grow... the choice was given up a long time ago...
many chakras ago..
it is a lifetime process.
> I don't
>think this is a show for other's benefit, because she just ignores us all,
i answer all your quiestions even when they are not addressed directly
to me, and i am sincerely interested in all your wellbeing but
i do want to address the fast loose lane that you all seem to be
living in , i think you all seem to for the most part
be very superficial creatures,
that are shadows on a rock , that melt away as the sun rises
and could not hold your position against the reality of the cosmic sun
glaring down at you if your llife depended on it...
harsh , arent i...
>and goes right on and on and on.
i tell you my master is proud of me, and my ability to hang
in...regardless if it is sunny weather or not...
the guru and ww
>
>M
>
>
Brandy Dominick
wild...@peconic.net wrote in message
>
>>life away here in the tonal, and you can give your energy away there. Is
>>she only deluded? Who knows. It is completely possible that she is
>>contacting others, but it is her self-importance that causes her to buy
into
>>this, either way. She cannot pull back out because she does not want to.
>>She has no will to change.
>i probably have more will than any of you in any combination...
Prove it, V. Get yourself out of a situation that is not healthy for you.
Will means free to choose, and you're not. You've said you want out but
can't get out. That isn't having will to change.
I know people for whom what you are claiming are real experiences. They are
not victims. They are healthy. They are happy. They are balanced. They
do not suffer. They do not try to kill themselves. There is no way you can
convince me that you are sober and balanced, V, because I do occasionally
read what you write. And because I've known extraordinary beings.
I really wish you well. I'd like to see you pull out of this. But I
believe you've been sold a psychic bill-of-goods, that has no basis in fact.
It's sad, because what you're doing is not benefitting anyone. IMO, you're
only shortening your own life, for nothing. To give it up means to admit
that you're just an average person like the rest of us, and you won't give
up your self-importance. M is right about the second attention, and you are
as addicted to it as any heroin junky. And it's your self-importance saying
that you have a 'mission' to save people. I just want you to save 1
person - yourself.
You want to get out? Find someone to help you. Run, don't walk, as far
away from your g as possible and get yourself clean. Create some shields
for yourself. And stop submitting yourself to psychic rape.
If you're not going to do this, then quit whining about it and just say that
you are doing exactly what you want to do. Go 100% into this, and stop
trying to get out. I support your right to choose to be a martyr, to
shorten your life, to sacrifice yourself for nothing. But I can wish you
well, and hope you choose to walk another way.
Brandy
Brandy Dominick
wild...@peconic.net wrote in message
<356c7f95...@uns.peconic.net>...
>On Tue, 26 May 1998 17:23:49 -0500, "Brandy Dominick"
><bran...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>
>>V won't do this because she'd have to burst the bubble of her
>>self-importance that says she's suffering for all of us. There's got to
be
>>a tremendous amount of energy trapped in her efforts to save us all.
>>
>>In the end, she's just killing herself and maybe not so slowly. And for
>>absolutely nothing.
>i am not killing my self, but i am being born in the spirit by fire
>and it is like rising like a phoenix of love and awareness
>out of the burning nest,
>so perhaps i have sacrificed the first attention for the rising
>of the sun of reality and intensity of beauty knowledge and love
>the spirit of the other higher attentions...
>the g and ww
>>
Wings,
This is that psychic bill-of-goods I was talking about. There is no such
thing as sacrificing the first attention for anything. Only if you have
balance in the first attention can the physical vehicle do it's job in
carrying your spirit as long as it needs to. That's what it's there for.
When you do what you are doing you shorten the life span because the first
attention is not getting what it needs. You want to burn yourself out
quickly, you're doing it. You're committing suicide, just choosing a
different way to do it. And when you die, your g will just find another
victim, I'll bet you. After all, life goes on for the living.
Brandy
wild...@peconic.net
On Thu, 28 May 1998 01:34:10 -0500, "Brandy Dominick"
<bran...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>
>wild...@peconic.net wrote in message
><356c7f95...@uns.peconic.net>...
>>On Tue, 26 May 1998 17:23:49 -0500, "Brandy Dominick"
>><bran...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>>
>>>V won't do this because she'd have to burst the bubble of her
>>>self-importance that says she's suffering for all of us. There's got to
>be
>>>a tremendous amount of energy trapped in her efforts to save us all.
>>>
>>>In the end, she's just killing herself and maybe not so slowly. And for
>>>absolutely nothing.
>>i am not killing my self, but i am being born in the spirit by fire
>>and it is like rising like a phoenix of love and awareness
>>out of the burning nest,
>>so perhaps i have sacrificed the first attention for the rising
>>of the sun of reality and intensity of beauty knowledge and love
>>the spirit of the other higher attentions...
>>the g and ww
>>>
>
>Wings,
>
>This is that psychic bill-of-goods I was talking about. There is no such
>thing as sacrificing the first attention for anything.
when one goes into the second attention, it is the left and right
hemispheres winging it together, then when they revolute at 30 to 400
revolutions per second, real fast you have stereo dreams superimpose
on reality...the first attention, so the third attention is the seeing
of the astral on top of real reality, and i do that all the time,
sometimes it is solid feeling,,,would that be the fourth attention
when my friend materializes rather like the physical reality even for
a few seconds,
we are working on that , as well as other things,,,
> Only if you have
>balance in the first attention can the physical vehicle do it's job in
>carrying your spirit as long as it needs to.
yes that is true, i get rest, and food and discipline, need more
exercise, am taking vits, and dr told me to take iron,,and thyroid
sups,
but the spirits take the tensegrity, from me, and itis what is needed
to make blood cells.
> That's what it's there for.
yes..
>When you do what you are doing you shorten the life span because the first
>attention is not getting what it needs.
agreed, and i cant make the spirits go away, i am repeatedly trying to
wake up these astral creatures call unconscious to some degree
humans, who are low in the chakra awareness level
and am training them like dogs
i must be a guru,,,wry smile,,,
saints do die young,,,look at the catholic saints,
wasted away the bright vitality pulls dead hungry souls to them to
snack on for their problems obsessions light energy , attentions,
there mental healing powers,
my guru needs me to be one with him, and other gurus there
because the vampires are out of control here, the diablera and her
friends are out of their minds and sick with obsessions
and attacking the g and his friends, for energy and sic laughs...
they are sic torture mongrols, and enjoy being what they think
is all powerful because we took wacks at their puny egos...
> You want to burn yourself out
i am not burning my self out, they are, trying to...
>quickly, you're doing it. You're committing suicide, just choosing a
>different way to do it.
> And when you die, your g will just find another
>victim, I'll bet you. After all, life goes on for the living.
my g is dieing
and he needs help
he could go insane,
you have to understand that this is real and even the big sorcerers
do have problems of sanity because the insane ones, the insane
sorcerers can be devestatingly diablera, and cruel,
controlling and merciless,
in their quest for control,,,
>
>Brandy
>
>
>
wild...@peconic.net
On Thu, 28 May 1998 01:29:56 -0500, "Brandy Dominick"
<bran...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>
>wild...@peconic.net wrote in message
>>
>>>life away here in the tonal, and you can give your energy away there. Is
>>>she only deluded? Who knows. It is completely possible that she is
>>>contacting others, but it is her self-importance that causes her to buy
>into
>>>this, either way. She cannot pull back out because she does not want to.
>>>She has no will to change.
>>i probably have more will than any of you in any combination...
think of it this way,
jesus was a very powerful messiah his message of brotherhood
through the love of god
was heard by many over 2000 years, his power within was tremendous
he was a powerful sorcerer,
and more,
now, if a group of diableros want to torture and distroy me
and keep me in the void,
and they collectively desire to do so
and hurt the guru at the same time
no matter how powerful he is , as a one
and even with friends which he has
if a large group gangs up on him and me, in the dream time
and they know hynotism and all the skills of manipulating the astral
and try to stop our communication by devious means or alter is the
truth of how we feel inside by assumation or screwing with our brains
and our beingness, and sense of who we are,
their are so many variables that it is easy to drive people insane in
the void,,
only a strong mind and spirit can last indefinately iin the void
and the ones in it are insane and or rendered ineffective,,,
and are even the puppet of the one who is the most expert
at controlling bodies and souls...and minds,
the tech of manipulating minds , tek wars , is the basis of the
whole thing,
mind control
if you are in it so deep as to have esp you are a goner,
because even when it is not esp it is a frequency
or band of beingness that the moonies or the cos
are into and it is very hard to shake the reality off...
of the respective cults.
who operate at the radio wave frequency
the way i helped my
roomie lleave the church of scientology was i replaced
one heavy reality with another, bahai and i was successful
we moved away from la, too, and hid, and they did find us
through esp, but the esp was not as intense as this,
paths,
the sorcerers are more blatant,
cos is holy spirit compared to the diableros of this sorceric path..of
black magic, not the path of love...at all,
so perhaps their are some evil ones hanging round the good intentioned
sorcerers , and they are not allies at all they are enemies and need
to be dealt with ,,,terminantly..
it is a hugh test and difficulty...and struggle for sanity
for not just me or the g but for alll the future ones that get stuck
in the void we have to have control of the reality of the voids
and a regulated way of creating reality and ethics within the void
to make sure the diableros dont take over, the good ones and
distroy mans freedom to stalk his spirit and the great spirit...
if the diableros had their way they would inhibit all stalking of
spirit and just be controllers of bodies and assumate them
as many as they can, like slavery...
imagine who civilizations captured in limiting belief systems that
make slaves out of its people in its unconscious void of certain
fabricated and carefully constructed belief systems,
so the fight is for mans spirit to be freed for all time,,,
>
>Prove it, V. Get yourself out of a situation that is not healthy for you.
i would like to but it is impossible as of now..
>Will means free to choose, and you're not. You've said you want out but
>can't get out. That isn't having will to change.
i have plenty of will power, but gods will or the devils will is more
powerful at the moment,,,
i do not not fight at every moment to control my mind and space and i
even help out my friends, writing about this and informing the truth
of the situation is another way to control and stay somewhat free
like radio free euruope, telling others about the suppression within
of the evil ones the diableros the dark sorcerers the witches that are
out of their minds, because of the tortures they may have been put
through, the void is a place to go crazy and i am not going to
and a powerful sorcerer is one who stays sane and holds his position
in space,,,,no matter what,, though all the heavens and all the earth
may rise up against him,,,
he holds his position with what he feels and knows to be the truth
like a warrior,,,,of the light...of knowledge....
>
>I know people for whom what you are claiming are real experiences. They are
>not victims. They are healthy. They are happy. They are balanced. They
>do not suffer. They do not try to kill themselves. There is no way you can
>convince me that you are sober and balanced, V, because I do occasionally
>read what you write. And because I've known extraordinary beings.
they are not in the dream time or any of the attentions and they are
not
given the task of doing eagle work...
>
>I really wish you well. I'd like to see you pull out of this. But I
>believe you've been sold a psychic bill-of-goods, that has no basis in fact.
no one sold it to me , it is really happening, the floor vibrates with
the energy, it is physically manifesting all over the place,
i guess that is the fourth attention..smile,,,
>It's sad, because what you're doing is not benefitting anyone. IMO, you're
>only shortening your own life, for nothing. To give it up means to admit
>that you're just an average person like the rest of us, and you won't give
>up your self-importance. M is right about the second attention, and you are
>as addicted to it as any heroin junky. And it's your self-importance saying
>that you have a 'mission' to save people. I just want you to save 1
>person - yourself.
i tried to get out but cant should i give up and surrender and allow
them to drive me insane or should i hold my position and my truths
and fight for my sanity,,,
>
>You want to get out? Find someone to help you. Run, don't walk, as far
>away from your g as possible and get yourself clean. Create some shields
>for yourself. And stop submitting yourself to psychic rape.
i want to travel but cant, i have no funds,
that is a good suggestion
life has made me poor and i am ill.
so it is a bad situation,,,
the shields the guru has tried with some of his sorceric men friends
to build to protect me and them...it does help but spirit has
propertys
where it is pretty impossible to stop a diablera who is nuts, or
compulsive nuerotic,,,to the hilt,,,
>
>If you're not going to do this, then quit whining about it and just say that
>you are doing exactly what you want to do. Go 100% into this, and stop
>trying to get out. I support your right to choose to be a martyr, to
yes, i am confronting the bad situation and doing all i can to make it
go right,,, but when i get clobbered every few days it is so intense
that i dive into my deepest part of myself and retreat,,,,until it is
over, and i fight for my life and my gurus life, too, and he is
fighting too, and their is others that do fight for theirselves and us
too, we get together in my room and cluster and the bad energy
started winding up poliegest style and things start materielizing
and the energy piles up because i and them are battling the demons
and their tesegrity is pouring into the room and they these bad humans
with esp just mock up another and another body or situation to attack
with
and this goes on for days, sometimes and my friends are in my bed
fighting as a sorceric team with me, we are like ghost busters
if your will but it is not funny,,,
and we fight for our right to use our powers of nagual or spirit
which we have some of, as we choose and not as the demonic
humans choose,
they want our power, and we dont want them to access it
we have power and it exilerates them
imagine if you are a master sorcerer and these diableros
cluster around you because they want to be power ful
and famous and they learned how to access your nagual powers
and you have to hide from them so they cant get at you
like when you are sleeping
some people are born with the power and these diablera
look for power sorcerers and destroy their will to live
and make weak men out of them thru their suduction
of their spirits and drag them down into the garbage
and lies,
they destroy souls and spirits
of men ,
and this i cannot stand
i love truth and freedom
and i am in a womans body but i am
spirit , ;and notthing else
and their are men who do the same thing to other men
they seek the powerful one and use his power
for their own gratifications
and make him descend to monkey state
of being
the preydatory nature of the universe of man
is very real
even you brandy are trying to be helpful and are
to a certain degree, by having a dialog with me
in the first place so that i may discribe a little of what
real sorcerers may go through,,
try to imagine , brandy what i am saying,
their is esp ,,,
it is real,
there is syncronistity
it is a sorcerers tool..
what i experience is real and i know several of the ones involved
and where one lives,
they are afraid or discouraged to tell,
about this,
and also perhaps they dont see in the exact same way
becuase they are not one with the guru,,,
the guru can not pull others too close for they lose their
reality,
and sense of who they are
but with me the guru cant get close enought
he is doing it on a gradiant so i dont forget my
beliefs and values,,,
i am stronger and can become closer to others with out
losing my sense of reality of myself
some people believe they are someone else..
i know who i am and can never shake it,,
but the guru is teaching me all the while
to introspect all my desires and wants and look to the sorce
of it and check out if it came from me or someone in the void
that is not acting in my best interests, by using their intentions
in a real strong way...
my intention is quite strong as you see, in that i am still here
writing about what i am suppose to to imform the public of the life
of sorcerery and that it is hell and not anything to be proud of
and that it is risky and to run like hell,
some may leave but some are not allowed, so i guess my master
my guru is the one holding on to me..
>shorten your life, to sacrifice yourself for nothing. But I can wish you
>well, and hope you choose to walk another way.
thank you brandy,
dont you consider the psychology of the spirit
fascinating
the amount of trouble the spirit can get into..
wild...@peconic.net
On Wed, 27 May 1998 19:56:10 -0700, Wildh...@webtv.net (Marilyn)
wrote:
>Wings wrote:
my guru just informed me that he is one to build a reality structure
of my own void, so that i may retreat in it , when i am confronted
with another sorcerers world or beliefs which are formed into his
inner world,
i need to have home base , a strong one with defenses,
intact, i have a strong one but not enough defenses
other wise he could have not pulled me into his,
his void is chaining with mine,,,
i dont know if i can make them grow apart, he says
so he is thinking , of something i read long ago
by yogananda, that it is not good to have too many masters
now i ww, have loved all the masters of the past and what i did
was find the unity of all their beliefs,
and so i have this incredible complex chain of beliefs that is quite
sophisticated and worldly
and really it can be used for good
it is an ideal basis for the spread of the esp facilty of the indians
to all creeds and nations, all races, and religions, philoso[phies
i suppose a guru does collect people who have compatable
beliefsytems that would project and perhaps protect
the gurus,
the ideals and goals of wws within her heart, may not be
effective on her own, but when she has a guru
that is esp oriented and very talented the ideals and goals
of brotherhood suddenly become possible,
she has the ideas and he has the tools and the know how.
it is his ideals too, more or less.
now the assumation of likeminded friends of hers
like avatar cos srf, and other orgs
and churches with the Friends who are connected
in the hopes of preserving a free world from
being overpowered by a mafia or dark brotherhood
who would use the esp tech for slavery,
is a good goal
so the goal suddenly becomes to spread the void
which is opening up anyway , a free for all
becuase of the magnetic inconsistancies of the earth
and prevent the voids from being captured by the dark forces
who would be mind control freaks
.so this is the basis of the experience and experiment that is going
on, and several of the others who already are gurus,
are the ones who helped bring ww into the void by syn
and intention and collective dreaming,
by the love of who she is and what she stands for.
i had a long correspondance with one who is
a disciple of the guru and the others who can esp
also examined me, well and discussed me well before
picking me up...
so they may have this plan of world brother hood and linkups
of light and esp of the highest minded citizens of the planets
to keep the esp mentat facilty and the voids free,,and open
for spirit to dance on...
(it is destiny darling and you cant run away from it and the betrayers
even around me , my so called friends are , turning away
becuase they are not being indulged in like they were
and dont have it within themselve to participate in a large
green and world peace movement that has all sorts of myths
being reenacted in it. and being created anew...) ww
we are building a belief system that is compatible with what is
going on in the world, for the future, and setting our course for the
next few hundred years, as well as
building a strong foundational belief system that can stand the rigors
of attackes from sorcerers who are good at eating belief systems
and consciousness,
with it,
so the only thing that really withstands the eating of conscious is
the truth, and the best seerer wins,,
the one who can fortell the future the best
is the one with the most clout, and power collectively
and we are working on it,,,
and this doingness is our pride and joy...
the friends of the planet , who love,
to green the planet and help create
a beneficial environment in all ways
and forms for the true ever evolving
civilization of man,,,,and freedoms
galore , for the unfoldment of the
spirit in all ways...ww
>>I feel quite sane.
>
>Wings, you are sometimes and you are not other times. What you are
>experiencing is not normal, at least your reactions to what is happening
>to you.
being normal is not what i want,
my goal has always been to be original
i want to be originally me, and no one else.
i am not cattle...
i am a special spirit in a human body,
i am not the body..
are you the body.?
there are three catagories of types of freedom
one is the masses who want to identify with the body
and the masses, and be normal they need the acceptance
of the masses , designer clothes are cool if they are in,
i will not let ass hole designers tell me what to wear
that are depraved beings and have no ethics,,,
i am a designer and wear what i please that conformes
with my identity that i choose to also wear at the time
of need or desire,,,,
that help achieve the goal of the moment ...
------------------
the last type of person is the raving genius
they are the loners, they love to be alone
i love to be alone, and
what happens after 11 years of silence,
i am selfrealized, is that i get a cluster
of well meaning gurus who have this need
for more, sort of a think tank for the future
needs of mankind...
to provide ethical directions and trends
for the mass media.. as well as other goals
that have direct bearing on the esp faculty and its
uses good and bad in the future...
this genius person or cluster
have no problem with
acceptance by any one
they are strong and can hold their position
in space and time and have a strong deep
underlying reality and have had cosmic experiences
which confirm their depth of spirit,
-------------------------
the ones that have the fight
and the ups and down are the ones
in between
they admire the stephen hawkens
and the other brilliant geniuses like einstien
and they aspirie to be like them
but
they just cant make it over the hill
their identity is tied up with others
acceptances
if the crowed nays them they dont like
it,
and it caves them in
they dont have a strong enough sense
of self,
that can withstand the rigors of great tasks
that are truley earth shaking and contriversial.
rebels are not enough,anymore.
sorcerers are immature genuises
and babies
they are not strong or wise
they are fools
believing they know it all
and giving advice right and left
judgeing someone who is much bigger
in reality then them
it is like the spider
trying to snare the phoenix
in its weak webs of reasoning that
are superficial and break and melt
apart when the first glimmers of the
light of truth hits the webs of reasoning..
-----------------------------
until one can grow up and out of the need for
others approval
one will never be picked up by a genus
or master sorcerer,,,
and trained as in apprentice,,,
-------------
> You say you are happy and all is well now, but, a few weeks ago
>you were writing some horrific stuff about how tortured you were and
>being torn apart etc. etc. Your postings here, are many times not in
>touch with reality, whatsoever.
whos reality
the one sleeping on the couch of unconsciousness
the collective reality
or the magical reality which has
broken thru to the other side
and takes real sorcerers to navigate it
i am learning, and i am telling the truth
you and others do need to know the
realtiy of what real sorcerers go thru in the
real wake dream state that is collective,
and involves more than one...
> For you to bring this type of influence
>and experience into the first attention is dangerous.
yes, the dream stuff is manifesting and materializing in the 4th
attention or starting to.. that is magic,,,,
> It has to been
>done carefully. CC spent years retrieving all the stuff that happened
>to him in the 2nd attention.
i write recaps ever day,,,
> You are not returning to the tonal
>properly. CC has written about the dangers of the second attention.
yes , the ones there are mostly insane and obsessed and
the favorite saying is to let sleeping dogs lie,,,
that means let the sleeping unawakened ones stay that way
and let them lie like crazy,
they are the ones who want me to be like them
i am making changes in the 2nd attention void
and bringing new groups in , to hang with us with the new
goals and things are getting really real
and it is outgradiant for the ones their
they hardly can believe they have esp
and can shapeshift or they do it half unconscious
and obey they gluttonous impolite self
i feel like i am training dogs
they have low awareness and high
selfishness and no regard for the space of others
their unconsciousness
reveals no boundaries between themselves and others
and they are attackng me and the guru cause we have
light and food, and awarenies high survival abiity
and they are banging their little auras and identities
against us trying to join in union with us as a fucking
survival urge, and of course they cant do it
and their shallowness of their undevelope reality
is no match to the gurus and my reality,,,
they melt away, and go away disapointed and mad
at us for not helping them and we do
we have long discourse with them
and help them come to terms with their
shallow spiritual growth and urge them to
get more foundational reality that is real
and by this i mean the great spirit,
god is the one with the orignal reality
some call this source, we have to go to our
source the spirit
and find our foundational reality..and then
stalk the great larger reality the great spirit.
>People go crazy there. If someone spends to much time there, the
>consequences are devastating. You are a prisoner trapped by inability
>to control what is happening to you. If you don't come back to the hard
>ground of the tonal and separate what is happening to you from the 2nd
>attention you will lose your sanity. You will. No one's mind can
>tolerate and handle what you are experiencing on a continual basis and
>survive intact. I care about you, in a certain kind of way, for I have
thank you for truley duplicating
me,
and my situaltion
their are others their, the guru himself and i have been working on
him and others to change the void to making it more compatable with
the physcial reality where we have high awareness and control it to an
extent where it is a safer place,,,
for all..
>seen the true pain you suffer sometimes in some of your posts. You have
>put yourself through to much in the last few years and your mind and
>tonal, which is what keeps us sane, is losing the battle. DJ says that
>we have to trick our tonal into accepting what the 2nd attention brings
>forth, and it has to be done very cautiously. You should find someone
what i get from that statement is that
what i see and do in the second attention and third
can be sold to the first attention
and brought forth to materiealize in the 4th attention...
i do not like these real inorganic ones
who are bad witches, but
they are human and can be gotten to
in other ways,
mastering the 2nd attention is a sorcerers trade,
and i am learnng as i apprentice
however so perilously.
dj knows how perilous it can be,
theere is wonderful magic that needs be brought into the
4th attention or the physical plane the body and mind reality
and overlapped and even materialized,
sometimes the eithers the astral gets so powerful that one
of my teachers actually gets nervous and amazed around
me when he sees my diversificated imagination of his magic
and it blows him away , plus the energy in my room is very
high with all the activity in it and the power persons in it
i recieve alot of visitors , it is the place to be,
we cluster here, as well as the other places to be, on the earth
we are a small group ,
>who will help you break the connection that some of these "people" have
>over you. You need an experienced shaman healer who can help you
>release those "connections". You can find freedom, but you have to let
yes, that is true, there are some in central america
i am thinking why cant my guru get help
and i wonder becuase i have met in the spirit some
healers from mexico
so i think the situaltion is more complex
and needs to be rooted out and sorced.
the truth found out about it,,,
>go of it all, until your mind and tonal have recovered. I only wish the
>best for you.
thank you...ww
>
>
>M
>
Marilyn
Wings, I have read everything you have written in this thread to myself
and Brandy. I understand what you are saying. You say that your g is
losing the struggle. Do you think that he has tried to use you to help
his own cause? I think so. And if you are aligned with him, then he
will bring you down with him. How can he protect you if he is having
trouble himself? Brandy is right, he will move on to another if he loses
you. Don't allow yourself to be used by anyone! When you talk of the
3rd and 4th attention, you are talking about some really deep and heavy
stuff. If people can be lost and lose their minds in the 2nd attention,
then imagine the consequences of traveling in the 3rd and 4th. You have
to be careful. These experiences should be directed by the conscious to
the memory banks for later assimilation. This is what CC did. You have
to retrieve this information cautiously, as the tonal will allow and can
handle. The breakdown in the process is what will drive someone insane.
If you overload and flood the tonal with this stuff, it will blow a
fuse. Go slower and be more aware of the dangers. You have opened
yourself up too many times to the "things" out there and you are known.
Once we venture into the 2nd attention our energy is detected. I hope
you can find a healer. If necessary you may have to travel to Mexico to
do that. Stay strong and keep fighting. Take care of your tonal so
that you will have the strength to fight.
M
Rainbowbird
Wildwings, In many way's I agree with Marilyn and Brandy.
Your second attention has become more an obsession instead a area where you
can research and explore.
From what I 've been reading from you kundaliniprocesses could be happen, but
it sounds more like one of those in which kundalini works not in the most
nicest way.
All kind of phenomena are attached to it and some even claim that mental
diseases arise from a bad rising of kundalini.
Look it up on the web a lot of information is available.
I agree with Marilyn that you cannot go on without a healer.
Creative persons do tend to have a certain strukture that tends naturally not
to care about the body and feeling unsafe in the real world. Usually they have
a very deficient 1 chacra and an exessive third eye.
Trust versus mistrust is their mainissue to overcome in life.
Unlike other basicstruktures they have more problems with grounding and tonal
issue's because of that mistrust.
On the other hand they prefere 2. attention because their survivalstructure is
related to escapism in that attention.
With such a basicstructure you really need a healer that is grounded herself,
because you have to little of it.
Please don't take my comments not as a judgement and but as a sharing of my
knowledge.
You don't have to be afraid that you will loose your "specialness"
because it is granted in the same basisstructure.
Your talents as they are, can be much more inhanced if you can learn to be
more manifesting. As it you have more suffering then benefits.
The mental concept that we are not our body but our soul is not wrong. But it
shouldn't result in abusive behaviour towards your body. Anyway I really hope
that you will apply the advices that have been given to you.
As far as the experiences go that you write about, it looks to me as if they
are the battle of different aspects of yourself.
The guru as the part of your higher self and the witches the aspects of your
selfdestructing programming.
If I where you I would choose to place all more in myself.
In all you write your inner aspects come out so clearly,but since you tend to
interpret the witches as not you, I am afraid they will keep their power that
way.
All that lovemaking you describe is wonderful, because it describes the love
for your inner parts, and merging of the male and female aspects.So from here
I do see a healingproces going on, but I would wish you more clarity. And
above all, I would wish you a good healer.Unfortunatly, your deafness may
provide a little handicap.But may be you can talk in signlanguage and take a
translator with you, or you might find someone that speaks signlanguage.
Right now you see your inner realms so clearly up to their archetypical bone.
Great healing is happening.
I just wish that someone could help you to see and realize that all you
experience is your inner world.
It has nothing to do yet with sorcerystuff. You are caught up in
interpretation.
In a way I hope that you can receive my words. I am not trying to give you an
analysis or whatever.I just have the feeling that right now you can be
reached.
Rainbowbird
Rainbowbird
Brandy Dominick wrote:
> wild...@peconic.net wrote in message
> <356c7f95...@uns.peconic.net>...
> >On Tue, 26 May 1998 17:23:49 -0500, "Brandy Dominick"
> ><bran...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> >
> >>V won't do this because she'd have to burst the bubble of her
> >>self-importance that says she's suffering for all of us. There's got to
> be
> >>a tremendous amount of energy trapped in her efforts to save us all.
> >>
> >>In the end, she's just killing herself and maybe not so slowly. And for
> >>absolutely nothing.
> >i am not killing my self, but i am being born in the spirit by fire
> >and it is like rising like a phoenix of love and awareness
> >out of the burning nest,
> >so perhaps i have sacrificed the first attention for the rising
> >of the sun of reality and intensity of beauty knowledge and love
> >the spirit of the other higher attentions...
> >the g and ww
> >>
>
> Wings,
>
> This is that psychic bill-of-goods I was talking about. There is no such
> thing as sacrificing the first attention for anything. Only if you have
> balance in the first attention can the physical vehicle do it's job in
> carrying your spirit as long as it needs to. That's what it's there for.
> When you do what you are doing you shorten the life span because the first
> attention is not getting what it needs. You want to burn yourself out
> quickly, you're doing it. You're committing suicide, just choosing a
> different way to do it. And when you die, your g will just find another
> victim, I'll bet you. After all, life goes on for the living.
>
> Brandy
wild...@peconic.net
>
>Robotica wrote in message ...
>>In article
><172F3B5B495A7871.7AAECC80...@library-proxy.airnews.ne
>t> "Brandy Dominick" <bran...@bigfoot.com> writes:
>>>From: "Brandy Dominick" <bran...@bigfoot.com>
>>>Subject: Re: For Wildwings . . .
>>>Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 17:23:49 -0500
>>
>>>V won't do this because she'd have to burst the bubble of her
>>>self-importance that says she's suffering for all of us. There's got to
my importantance is gained and earned and it is not mine it is the
great spirit that is awake within and around me,,,
so their is no ego in it, in fact at times l long for the
baby hood of infantile feelings of safety that normals
have that are purely delusional...
ww
guru
>be
>>>a tremendous amount of energy trapped in her efforts to save us all.
>>
>> There you go
>> 1/17/1997
>> The old part of the dream still operates numerically.
yes , i was awakened because of my dreams or my collective
bahai dreams for the world...that i have worked on all my life,,,ww
>>
>>>In the end, she's just killing herself and maybe not so slowly. And
>>>for absolutely nothing.
yes, nothing is the Be all end All the alpha and omega, the Great
Spirit....and my spirit as servant of it...ww
>>
>>>Brandy
>>
>>
>> Its her life and her death. Maybe shes doing what she chooses.
my life in the great spirit, and my death to my spirit,,,,ww
i am just stepping up a bit higher in consciousness
it looks like i am dying, but i am coming closer to the source of
all...and living in it...ww
>
>I know, Grumpy, but part of me is still indulgent enough to feel sad about
>it. But not enough to attempt a rescue, because she is choosing this for
>herself.
if you "rescue" me you will go insane, dont try it,,,
it is too too too much,
and very wise to obey your instincts..
but i love this conversation and sharing
it is a conference of the birds of our respective heavens
yours is the dove that you love, keeping everything peaceful
and mundane, domestic,
mine is the crow, magical , and he steals hearts, and jewels of the
spirit kind,
, and hides them away in my soul everyday with tests and difficulties,
stalking them to death....ww
>
>Brandy
>>
>>>Marilyn wrote in message
>><6kdqq0$egh$1...@newsd-142.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...>Randy, did you really
>think
>>it would do any good?
good question,
but please feel free to question my moves...ww
>>
>>>Wings, so many people here have tried to talk to you and help you.
yes, that is true, and it gratifies me that you are curious about me,
because i have so much to share with you,
i am undergoing a shamanistic journey that hasn't quit,
and it is wonderful to have brothers and sisters to hear
what might happen to them, or another version of it,,
i am not trying to scare you,
we just pulled in another leader of another philosophy
he is on esp lines and desires this kind of telephone lines
where two way comm can exist with parties all listening in
like a hugh conference world wide, talking to the theta outside
his church, the most inspired all over this world , the f- genuises
all doing good things to help the planet get over the bumps in the
road of infinite and peace on earth,,,
ww
> You
>>>want us to listen to you, but you will not allow yourself to listen to
>>>all the good and caring messages that people try to give to you. You
>>>can break it. You can stop it. You have the power and strength to
>>>break the ties and tell all those demons to pack their bags and leave
>>>you alone.
we the ones who are harrassed and hurt by the bad diablaras
are the ones to get rid of them when we
collectively get together and work on the collective dream for the
greening of the earth and peace being restored,
they could not be less interested cause they are truely small
minded..and havent soared like an eagle who aspires to greater
power and heigth for the good of mankind,,the human race ,
collectively
is a wonderful thing to love....imagine,,,please....just for a
moment,, put aside your thoughts regarding your small world
and love mankind like a messiah or the god of gods...
ww
guru
> You need to give up riding in your dreams.
these dreams are real with real dreamers,
it is really happening and most of the words are
being shared and spoken by others in the waking
collective dreamtime of which i and they live all the time..
dreams we dream do descend , we are the dream and think
tank with various intellegent mass media people who shake
and bake the world with in , to manifest in their areas
parts and pieces of the dream , you see even if they hear
it as a faraway drummer, they still get the idea,
we are the ones to inspire the powerful dreamers out their
to go for the goodnesses for the earth and her peoples,
if it is true arent you glad,
using the assemblege esp faculty is the gift of the angels..
ww
> Don't allow
>>>anyone to enter your domain. Stop them, refuse them to enter.
i am getting good at some sorcerry where i can chop them down
letting their astral vitality go out the door, and then change the
pieces
into dirt or rock and let is blow away,, outside,,,
they have to remock it up and it is difficult , but they are able and
do lose their will, because i am the one to do battle long hours
of this, for days, without sleep...
ww
and i keep learning more and get more powerful with
more friends syning with me,,,i am learning from my true
allies,, ww
> Stay
>>>grounded in the first attention until you have control again.
yes, getting up and doing something else or traveling
eating, taking a bath or cold shower,
coffee and tea help
even old crow helps
these all change the position of the assemblege
but of course if you can tough it out with out drinking
it is good,
the
wonder ful older men that i have met who are naguals
do and have drank at times
and they do worry about their livers,
the anger that they feel from the dogs that attack them
the diableros and inconsiderate women and even
their children that attack and cling too too much
and torture them and they are not related,
this is a different world and certain personalities
are caught in this dream and we all are working on
changing it ,
and going less unconscious,
ww
> Close
>>>your gap. Protect yourself, put up shields. Be your own master. You
>>>can do it.
do other students dump their teachers in the middle of battle or a
storm
did cc dump dj....?
>>
>>
>>>Marilyn
>>
>>
>> Every step into the woods requires a step out of the woods.
>> The deeper you go the higher you fly.
>>
>> She hits her targets pretty scattershot.
>> But every once in a while... Bulls-Eye.
>>
>> Plus I have a WW secret decoder ring.
>>
>> I like her stuff sometimes.
>>
>> Dr Spike
>
>
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wild...@peconic.net wrote:
[]
>
> my intention is quite strong as you see, in that i am still here
> writing about what i am suppose to to imform the public of the life
> of sorcerery and that it is hell and not anything to be proud of
> and that it is risky and to run like hell,
> some may leave but some are not allowed, so i guess my master
> my guru is the one holding on to me..
hi wings,
the other way around actually, you are holding on
to this g, you are doing all of this to yourself. the hardest truth
to real-ize is: it's your truth. you have created your own private hell.
a famous Japanese director once quoted:
"those that God wishs to punish, are driven insane"
problem is, there is no God punishing anyone, just a karmic uni-verse
taking back what living beings take for themselves.
you are experiencing duality in the extreme:
'the war between goodandevil'
but it's just 'smoke and mirrors' to the Big Kahuna
who's the Big Kahuna you ask ?
like every teensyweeensyitybitynothing in this circus you will
never know.
but will gladly drive yourself mad trying, rather than being thankful
to just be vicky.
it's a uni-verse of tough love baby
get over yourself, and watch some flowers grow
before u are under them.
peace & love
luvuna
Robotica
In article <356E0EF8...@cable.A2000.nl> Rainbowbird <D.Be...@cable.A2000.nl> writes:
>From: Rainbowbird <D.Be...@cable.A2000.nl>
>Subject: Re: For Wildwings . . .
>Wildwings, In many way's I agree with Marilyn and Brandy.
>Your second attention has become more an obsession instead a area where you
>can research and explore.
>From what I 've been reading from you kundaliniprocesses could be happen, but
>it sounds more like one of those in which kundalini works not in the most
>nicest way.
>All kind of phenomena are attached to it and some even claim that mental
>diseases arise from a bad rising of kundalini.
>Look it up on the web a lot of information is available.
>I agree with Marilyn that you cannot go on without a healer.
Marilyn is a foul mouth slut.
Brandy,s still reeling from the lost of someone she wishes she had
concluded a relationship with in a diferent fashion.
You Rainbowbrain are a hippie twit bitch that wouldn,t know the second
attention if it bit you on the ass.
Go away and leave WW alone.
You guys act as if Castaneda was writing travel novels about Louisianna
bayou country and the Alaskan outback.
Maybe your all jealous. Look in the mirror.
1/17/97 certain things happened.
Wildwings accidentally hooked her tele up to a fibre optic cable.
She,ll learn the ins and outs and she,s having more fun and drama than
sghe,s had in a long time.
She is on various lightspeeds at various times.
The content providers are parocxhial at times but thats because the
systema are under repair.
So just stop reading her stuff.
Or go adopt an abused puppy or something.
Dr. Faustus Speckle
P.S. No offense BD
Robotica
In article <356E0EF8...@cable.A2000.nl> Rainbowbird <D.Be...@cable.A2000.nl> writes:
>From: Rainbowbird <D.Be...@cable.A2000.nl>
>Subject: Re: For Wildwings . . .
>Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 03:27:20 +0200
>I just wish that someone could help you to see and realize that all you
>experience is your inner world.
Everything that is outside is inside.
"When you become nothing you become everything"
Castaneda
Rainbowbrain, Great White Chief Spikey wants to battle you for some of
your war ponies and females. Lets do battle.
>It has nothing to do yet with sorcerystuff.
Define sorcereystuff
>You are caught up in interpretation.
You are looking in the mirror.
>In a way I hope that you can receive my words.
You have a need to give gifts on this particular day, in this particular
week, in this particular month of this particular year of this particular
century on this particular planet in this particular galaxy.......
..... and you percieve WW as the reciever of your " Word"
Maybe Wigs is your healer helping you to realize you are caught up in
interpretation and "sorcerystuff" .
>I am not trying to give you an analysis
Hohohohoho
>or whatever.I just have the feeling
YOUR feelings
>that right now you can be reached.
Watch out cause the-g might zap your ass.
>Rainbowbird
Bird brain of many colors who feels the need to heal and analyse.
Dr. Spike "Wildwings Fan" Speckle
wild...@peconic.net
On Fri, 29 May 1998 03:27:20 +0200, Rainbowbird
<D.Be...@cable.A2000.nl> wrote:
>Wildwings, In many way's I agree with Marilyn and Brandy.
yes , i understand,
it is hard to understand , a different state of consciousness
of collective esp,,that is really real
and that we are a party that changes people and amounts
within doing the dream and that the dream changes
in high or low toness, depending on the strength of the collective
and individual members of the party,
some are diableras,, and they dont like being compulsive
they are waking up , but in the dreamtime it takes time
and patience, like it does a patient to a shrink,,,
who works sometimes over years to reduce and remove
the compulsions.
thank god we have many who know of these things and are
bringing more in that are knowlegiable in the psychology of the spirit
you have to understand that
my writing here
is not my own diesire,
only,
the others like abe
are crying out for you to realize
that it is true
that we are a collective entity
in bits and pieces of humanity
mostly gurus and seers
who have natural talents
and do delve in magic
instinctively
and from all backgrounds
from bahai to shaman indian medicine men
who are holy, all over the world
black and white and red
and yellow, i hope may be next
bruce lees sons son would be great,
hmmmm
or someone like that...
well see,
we do have some in the other
group of A, hps group
and they are so thrilled to be
a part of this we are in the rep
of formosa, china, that is free
we speak english fine and we
are in la too, as well as other towns...
we are the ones who trust budda
and his love, and dwell on the simplicity
of nature and her protective realm...
that is beautiful and gracious like
a woman...
smile,,
ww
>Your second attention has become more an obsession instead a area where you
>can research and explore.
yes , we are curing the obsessive ones the diableros who add the tone
of the obsessive bent in words that are spent here telling you what a
diablero can do to you , so you recognize them when you have them 'in
your area,,,,and they can go after you that is why we the guru and
others
want to cure them real quick,,
ww
guru
>From what I 've been reading from you kundaliniprocesses could be happen, but
yes it is very active, i have bliss manytimes a day , almost every day
i do tantra in the spirit with two men that i love, who are hanging
with me in the spirit, to protect our selves from the diableras.
ww
>it sounds more like one of those in which kundalini works not in the most
>nicest way.
the diableras kundalini is pologeistic
and it winds up , i am a psychic investigator who has
friends who are also ,and able to travel in the spirit
like indians who shapeshift and we three plus our other friends
in esp are able to congregrate in my room and experience the
poligeist happenings and our way of handling it
and find it all fascinating
and sometimes they are in the midst of it,
we try to keep them somewhat out of syncronistity
with us and the diableras
so they are a few layers of awareness or onion astral
deminsions away but are stil in the room and see everything
going on , the magic of the guru can be explained but this is
what we do is explain this to you and reread it and remember
it ,
catorgorize it and practice staying awake on the other side
i want to go very deep into it
i am the one who is 48 and have the rest of my life to explore
it and it looks good that my k force will keep alive and well
i am so glad for that.
and the others too have the same activity,,,but we are not the
ones with manic depressive symtoms
you will find in the spirit
the dividing lines of whos consciousness is whos gets
weaker
in the low cases, the unevolved ones with the low
chakras active, i am the one to have high chakras
active and awake therefore i am highly individulizes
and hard to reach and syn with through and through,
only another guru , and i am not bragging ,
can even come near me, i was the lucky one
that saw and was with god even for a moment
does the big change in soul tensegrity ,, it is so much
finer and diferentialted having a complex quality
reveal within
we all can do this if we work at it,
i have done the work all my life,
and so has the other gurus.
so yes i have k force and am quite knowlegabe re it
and even give advice about it,,,
ww and guru
>All kind of phenomena are attached to it and some even claim that mental
>diseases arise from a bad rising of kundalini.
yes, i have given writings already re this topic,
what happens is the witch does tantra earth bliss
bringing it up the front, and it goes to the head
aleister crowley did this and went crazy,
you need to do holy spirit up the spine first,
and clear the spine and the body first,
then after you made it to god
you will be in the buddic planes
and experience the bliss
everyday,,,
scientology clears the obsesions or tries to.
but it still needs the
path of heart , love of god
and that is where it fails.
bakti yoga is the one of service and worship of god
and it is the eagle that eats ego deva
statingly,
and total anilation is yours
so that you can make the station of
seership of a prophetic level of your capacity,,
this is serious business
and if one doesnt take it seriously they are
in trouble and will be tormented
i am sure
don juan had his days
where he struggled with the diableros
and diableras,
as did carlos,
you are not doing any good if you dont conquer the
devils in the collective consciousness
and set humanity a little freer
you are not warriors are you
you are the ones to be
timid
and safe,,
you dont jump...
ww and guru,
>Look it up on the web a lot of information is available.
>
>I agree with Marilyn that you cannot go on without a healer.
i am one and have several in the void that also are stuck here
to do gods work , we are servants of god and the great spirit
and this is our station , in the heavens of his will.
we are the healers of the collective conscious ness and are
learning to get stronger delve deeper, like the angels that
descend into the lower stratisferes of the darknesses that
need light on the subject to illuminate the minds and consciousneses
like yours for instants, we are shedding light on what it is all
about'and sharing it with you
the good and bad, your well wishes is all we require and we
want to inspire you with good intentions so that if you find
yourself in the midst of this void or another
you will be real about it and come to wake up pretty fast
and have the right answers already in your mind,
and heart,, so you function better,
with in the void...
information is the key and way to spiritual happiness and full
functionig with in other dream realms and voids, like colllecttive esp
ones.
>Creative persons do tend to have a certain strukture that tends naturally not
>to care about the body and feeling unsafe in the real world. Usually they have
>a very deficient 1 chacra and an exessive third eye.
yes, and the Master Sorcerer told me the same
he is the one that was upset that i would not fight in the normal way
the diableros and attacks that were posed,
like a kung fu master would be,
so he decided to have a series of attacks on me
with a real test and difficulty
he and i went in together and rooted out alot of insanity
and unconsciousness in many of the members including
him , and recapitated a whole lot in all of us collectively
individually, and got our powers back some what,,and our
attention in the present time
each and everyone of us have more individualistic powers
and dont need to beg borrow steal so much like a vampire of tensegrity
the diableras are the ones that have much reactive bank ,
unconsciousnesses among them , they should not be here
but they have poliegeistic powers from manic depressive
bi cameral syn of the brain that goes hysterical and out of control
in an attempt to kill everthing becuase like anorexian individuals
they have the obsessive nuerotic tendency to want to control
everything,
my intensity
that I have here
is a good thing
and it is genuinely sane and free,
the story i tell is not my doing it is the other insane
individuals in the esp void
imagine having a dream territory that many live in
and waking up everyday
and having criminals who should be in jail
and are not
they are out free in this spirit country
we the good and free artists and talented psychics
deal with the criminally insane
what a place , huh??
where angels and devils are side by side and wrestle
with mortals being used as vehicles
if they have the bad luck to exist in this dreamtime
jesus did wrestle with the devil
and jacob did wrestle with his allie angel
and i am
sure carlos wrestle
with diableros
and his master don juan,,,
it is a preydatory universe this dreamtime and
not every can live in it
arent you glad you are not there,
becareful....
not to wish too hard,, to be there....
it is my destiny
i was chosen for this since my birth
i am not bragging i just know this
and that is the way it is,,,
ww and the guru
>Trust versus mistrust is their mainissue to overcome in life.
yes, as we grow in power, we get the higher tests and issues
regarding it,
trusting your parents and then yourself
and then god, and then your master,
that is the sequence for me,
ww
>Unlike other basicstruktures they have more problems with grounding and tonal
>issue's because of that mistrust.
yes, my trust in myself and god, makes me so grounded i have not gone
insane with the knowledge that i know and share and breathe
everyday,,,ww
some of us do
sink into oblivion and
non comprehendsive
blank where we are almost vegetables , this is the
thing we have to watch out for
my guru was becoming a vegetable
cause their was no one saneand collectively strong enought for him
at the deeper levels of soul
apathy is the souls ,
his mind was fine
but his soul was stolen and captured by the diableras
in charge of this terrible void
and i am changing it
and giving him new hope and life
realize that their is not a soul lady in sight for him'
that is self realized like me and stable
able to stay adrift on the surface
and not get sunk for very long
it gives hope for him and the other guys
with in that their are ladies who can go very
deep and recover damaged souls
that have incidents in the dream time itself
that needs recapitating
but is sooooooooooooooooooo
deep that it takes a strong soul to stay awake
and watch it and observe and make deductions
and live to tell it,
carry it back to the place and plane of discussion
where all us men can look at it and reach within
him and ourselves
it happened to all of us, in this particular void this
raping for ectasy,
it happens commanly i am thinking
well we are getting control of it
and are learning from it
and workng on doing something about it...
and we certainly are not feeling so
apathetic and
our soul energeis are not being ripped
apart anymore so much
becuase we are knowing when the witches
stalk us
when we are asleep we get raped
and
energyes stolen
we are getting discipline and have a lock and
a key on our bliss
and wont go into release of it
unless we are consciuos and want to
ww is the one who taught us to remember how to keep a lock and
key on the bodiys not being turned on
she actually is changing our turn on from
depravitiy low toned surrender of a masocist nature
that the main devil worshiping witch prositute is
the diablero that she is,
and change their sexuality and turn on
to beauty of the gods
and higher consciouses variety of relegious
expperiences during tantra of the spirit between man and woman
and this change alone is the one that makes profound sense
you really have to exchange a need , to do, a natural thing
like make and eat your own light,
for evolutionary purposes the sub for the
stealing and vampiritic of the diablera kind,,,of need,
and we are doing that,,
growing more aware
and conscious of course, and going
whew,
we are saved , for the moment,,,
when you fall and lose consciousness
you lose the ability to remember what is good
for you and keeps you aware,,,
we are constantly struggling to understand
our true nature , individually and collectiviely
and sometimes it hurts,
but the ego that dont like this harsh information
does run and hide in lies and
does attack the ones growing too conscious and we
have this problem
the void is a place that is
a different kind of medium and we are learning
how to deal with it
it is in eternity , and the propertys
physically are different
it ihas no hieght or breath
it can be any way any where,
any time , it is infinite
and yet the party
if its karma or path is similar
by accident or god plan
we still suffere and have to handle it.
we wonder what and who the planner is, sometimes.
the g and ww
the ones in other voids do listen in and rejoice, and wonder
what hath god wrought, when their is trouble in paradise,
the clouds gather way over their, and they do rumble with cares,
the angels do bring out their might swords of lightening
and do resolve the airs with the light of truth,
by zues, and under standing
hades and zues are at it again,,,
but the tears of the angels that do act out the parts for the gods
above, like we, as puppets doing myths and dramas
of humanity,
over and over again,
the tears and the answered prayers of the other Freinds
arise and do descend , on the voided area 51
where the truth is becoming and the lies disapear,
hallaulah
a bright new day , fertile and fruitful as it can be,
we the workers of the inner brotherhood
of the light workers, conquering the earth
of ignorances in the hearts and minds of the ones
still in the dark,,left behind,,,
we are not finished ,
until
we bring everyone over the hill.
the g and ww,
>On the other hand they prefere 2. attention because their survivalstructure is
>related to escapism in that attention.
>With such a basicstructure you really need a healer that is grounded herself,
>because you have to little of it.
the guru needed me to ground him both ways,
you are the one that is not full grown,
the great spirit is the true anchor point
and until you realize the source
within your heart,
god dwells within the heart of man,,
you will not make true sense,
>Please don't take my comments not as a judgement and but as a sharing of my
>knowledge.
yes and vice versa, i have high regard for you , rainbow bird
your name is good, rainbow is the promise god gave to noah
and bird is the spirit flying free in the celestial vaults
remember where your true home is at,,,
that is the one to anchor in for all eternity,,,
you will find friends there
and they will love you with such an adorning
with bliss and love ,
all over the place,
that is what i have now...
a true sharing
that is beyond description with the two that i love
and the ones i am meeting everyday
we are going deeper into the spirit
and sharing, our
reallities and beauties
that transcend and defie description...
this is true,, says the guru,,
the guruand ww
you have to see and feel and experience it
to believe it,, and when you do
the fragrances of the windflowers of our
and gods love will be for you...
my guru just informed me
that he and abe did feel thru the esp
that they have
when abe wrote to me in the email
re his plutonic astrology
that he and the guru spotted
an angel who is self realized and free
but , not in harmonics with her earth soul
unable to enjoy the others here
she is one with the great spirit
having ascendied long ago
but her soul fought valiently and died
a violent death
her guru did resurrect her, and rebuilt her
soul
it had been ripped off too , and he demonstrated
to her how,
by going thru it himself
and letting the others who are bad, diableras
who steal tensegrity ,
from her ww,
and him , and others,
of our void, to have a witness woman to convince
them that they do indeed do these things
when they are and are not unconscous...
abe and the guru needed the right angel
who lost her soul
and she ww is the one who escaped the void
llong ago
but left her soul behind to be torn to shreds
by the other ladies their,
and the guru
wanted her back in full consciousness
to reclaim and rebuild it
this is sorcerery work
and very hard to understand the nature of it,
alot of sufferening has gone on
through the last few years
and
the g and ww are soul mates
and spiritual ones too
and have known each others for milliniums
it feels,
along with the others involved
we are all one star cloud
in the heavens
made of the same llight,,,
the g and ww.
>You don't have to be afraid that you will loose your "specialness"
>because it is granted in the same basisstructure.
when i went to god
he informed me that he took time out
for everyone created
and loved them to death
so they decended
to the earth
and will become might warriors fighting
their way back to truth and light and
even beyond that,
that means you too
in your own time
so we are all
grains of the sand on a long eternal
beach of gods creation
and we are all diferent as they are
or like the snowflakes that descend
on the earth everyday each and everyone is
beloved
and now the quiestion
is do we love ourselves
as much...????
can we earn our love to ourselves.??
prefering our brothers over ourselves
can do much in the acquiring of spiritual powers
used for the good of all ,,,and our higher collective self,,,
the many in the one...
we can have both of them..
the guru and ww,
>Your talents as they are, can be much more inhanced if you can learn to be
>more manifesting. As it you have more suffering then benefits.
as we climb out of the snake pit of the diablera s doingness
on the collective, and they are remembering it more and more
through recapitalizations on their own,
we are having better effect with more returned attention units
of spirit, resulitng in a stronger intention and power to spareand
sparr with,,,better, and more effectively any future attacks on us..
the guru explained to me that we had to go through the hells
first to gain strength and recapitate and retrieve our lost
mangled souls that had inprisonment within the dark
web found very deep hynotic levels of the somatic
mind part of our psyche,
and undo it all by looking at it with our analytical free
mind and consciousness that is awake,
and then go throught it fighting the demons
their singularity and collectively as we could
like psyche being kidnaped by hades and finding
her way through laberynths of hell , the lower mind
and psyche and taking a look at the damages of
her own and others the collective psyche as well as
her guru, we in the esp void are all involved in this
gross overt on our selves..initiated by the diablero
who lead us with falsehoods
and we were stupid and allowed her to entrap us
and not understand cause we were innocent victims...
a good understanding for sure,,yes..say the men
in the void...we feel the same and we did endure
and go the same way, and we too are very
innocent and stupid in the way s of a expert evil
person sorcerer who works for the devil and has
no shame or conscience regarding it,,,
we have spotted the 3 or 4 of them,,,
now we will try to rehabilitate them,,or
chain them up forever in their dungeons and cast
them out, forever somehow from us,,,
the guru,,,and ww,
>The mental concept that we are not our body but our soul is not wrong. But it
>shouldn't result in abusive behaviour towards your body. Anyway I really hope
>that you will apply the advices that have been given to you.
oh i have, and already know these things
but it is wonderful to have it here where others can get an education
by our free discussion of very real experiences in the dream time
that all of us here have expereinced to some degree and in some
way , the variety and depth of religious and self experience
of the consciousness that we are all a part of the great spirit is
infinity ,,,itself...
the g and ww,
>As far as the experiences go that you write about, it looks to me as if they
>are the battle of different aspects of yourself.
yes, i have mastered most of myself
but the soul aspect that got stolen and abandoned when i went to god
the legion of which i am a part or became a part of ,
hmmm,,,
maybe not everyone can experience this,
or maybe it is on the way to meeting and being in god
i did meet a large being on the way to god,
and i did see sleeping legions all around, and did not want to be a
part of it,
but maybe in the human evolution it is the way that it is done
and meeting with the master sourcer is the last or later part of the
journey only for a few,,,
on the earth,,,
i have to finish recovering my soul
and this reminds me of the tibitian book of the dead
the last rites where
you must confront the void
and in it
before you leave the body for good,
i may be dying of anemia
and this is a natural path for me
and of this i am glad
for to go the way of maha samadi
to die when i pick out the top of the head is the
path i choose
great masters leave that way and no way else...
so anyway i am clearing out the
demons of the collective
that have preyed upon me and my friends in the void
in the lowest chakras,
stealing ;our energies of the base and the isis
and osiris,,chakras
and even the heart,
i am awakening them and realizing myself
what a trip this is for me and them,,
we are doing this together too,
i am just the latest forcus now..
their will be others
i assume,,,
maybe not maybe the g and the others
will be free, and we can
then be masters and perhaps teach the masses
with books of wisdom and comment on the bardos
and void with
and comments on death and dying,
process how it can be healing to
be a warrior and confront
the unconfrontable everyday in the
waking dream time
if the void opens up
you have no choice
darlng,,,
>The guru as the part of your higher self and the witches the aspects of your
>selfdestructing programming.
the witches are not me they have bodies in the physical universe and
are
in the citron city and also associante with one ielie.ll
this is what i see and nothing will convince me of it other wise
but
if i assume responsiblity like a sheriff of this void
i have to say that the collectivity is being guided by me and the g
and my friend as well as ol abe who i met in the tensegrity seminar
after hours , in the elevator with a guru, and we all went up together
to our respective rooms
you see we are real ,
we have esp
the conversation came up in an email
correspondence with abe
over a room in amer on lines too
we discussed
esp and pychic trials we did and he projected
himself over to me and gave me bliss
and is a shapeshifter and the master who was
their also
then decided to pick me up and teach me,
so there,
that is how they do it,,,
smile
this is objective , and done in love
and need of more enlightened souls
who can have
esp phenominae
around them and not go insane
their belief system too small
to emcompass this phenominae...
and we do have some crooks in here
with selfish minds and motives as well
as some with great fear who stop us
and try to destroy us becuase of their
stupid belief systems
we are persecuted becuase we dont belief
like they do..
and they understand more and more
and say they are almost embarrished
by they stupidity
when they who have brillancy did not have\
all the spiritual how to know how to know
direct knowingness
instead having got their data like you
from books
of others who are not in the knowing how to have
direct expereinces like i do
the range of my direct experiences
exceeds quite a few of those whoexplore
consciousnesses interms of
wide spectrumness.
far up and far down,,,
now to fill some of it in,,,,
the guru and ww
the others here are insulted that you would give or grant them
non beingness,
some of which are real and have bodys that are quite well and
attractive
and are powerful , being interview on tv for their
powers demonstrated in shaking reality of the more
complacent on the earth , makng the ones who
are more awake more able
the conservative dont like or favor this
they want the status quo to be,
and
would suppress us greatly if enticed too much
so i dm
take offense at her even using initials instead
of the full name, but understand a gradient
revelation of what is being done in the esp
void that we all dwell in and share
and
the others here all feel the same they are real
persons who are connected by esp
get that thru your head
it is real
way to go!!!!
wait til they experience it
it is an experience that you will not be able
to run away from
and we have real reasons to expect it will happen
to you some time in the next 20 years
the void is growing rapidly
hopefully the
Friends
here with the psychological
and other spiritual and warrior ful
ones, as well as the dream ers
of eternal verities
and beauties to feed us everyday
with wisdom and delights
that charm us with growth and steadyness
in our diesire to die to the old way
of consciousness of the body to the new
heights of glory
the gurus
the new race of men
who will make the void a safer
place
by the time the human race
falls in it layer by layer
going down
picking up some of the worse
criminals on the way ,,
it is karma and it is needing to
learn on the ones not so bad
but are bad as they can kill and do kill the souls
that they supposidly love..but hate,
you can philosophize all you want about why
i have to be in the same void as these
crappy diableros
dont you understand that
diableros are bad sorcerers who have bodies on the earth
or did you read the first book, of the teachings of don juan,,,
cc did go thru all what he tells
and it is real
and non fiction...how dare you
invalidate
the indians reality
of mexico
how dare you invalidate
the yogi gurus like yogananda
how dare you invalidate
christs being real on the earth,,
how dare you invalidate
men who have made higher consciousness
and awarenesses
more than you
how dare you invalidate
gandi and his great resorcefulness
he had gurus too. and dwelt in the dream time
corresponding and having diealog with the greatones
the mentors
who are spiritual and love god
and humankinds
and the earth
don juan is one of them
and for you to continue to deny
that some men who
believe can do just this thing
i am so gracious enought
to share with you all
in spite of the humiliation
that you heave on to me
saying that i think i am great
when i keep saying i am
not in control of the destiny that
i share
it is in the great spirits hands
not any of us,
we are the first
and the last
we are the humblest servants
we have been given gifts of the spirit
and yet we are prisoners of love
within the void
destiny has her claim on each and' everyone
of our spirits souls
and we walk the path of love
to survive with the most
awareness,
test and difficulties
is gods and the great spirits
way of teaching the warriors
who
call out to the One
and want to love him..
and he brings us every closer
in to him like the eagle of love
he grasps us with his
talons and carries us high
we have to surrender
and at the same time struggle
with our master
he is our teacher and our
allie,
read the dj books over and over again
and with this new
understanding of how it can manifest
in a new life of a nobody
collective like all of us
you will understand that it is
real stuff and it really happens
it is a big shock to the sytem when you
find out that esp is real..
there ,,
i said it all,
the guru and ww
>If I where you I would choose to place all more in myself.
>In all you write your inner aspects come out so clearly,but since you tend to
>interpret the witches as not you, I am afraid they will keep their power that
>way.
yes but they are getting better behaved but since it is hypnotic
and low chakra , it is persistant and hard to change,
they are in deep trances while they sleep awake in this void
they almost for the most part dont really relate that they are doing
harm
it is because they are not able to make the jump in conscuousness
to the other side, of taking and realizing that they can hurt and
damage
permanently , and they dont care which is even worse
why do they not care
this is no conscience and this tells me they are diableros and can
never
be saved,
it worries us who do relate and try not to hurt others with in the
void
those of us who have more consciousness are of the opinion to avoid
the diableras, but
ww and the guru are the natural prey of the preydators the witches
cause they are in their so called close vicinity , close to home as
are
you,l,
the wider community , that i speak of
have voids of their own and are safe and free when compared to us
but they are lend ing their higher consciuosness to us
and syning with us to overcome the damages in oour viod and gladly do
they do this because they love gurus and good ladies
and they want to learn all they can
about the scum at the bottom of the can of the collective
consciousness
and deal with it in an efficient and effective way termanently
and this is a mirical that we see this
going on,,,
wow
thank you all within our collectivity
thank you friends...yes...
they answer back to the g and me...
>All that lovemaking you describe is wonderful, because it describes the love
>for your inner parts, and merging of the male and female aspects.
yes , the guru led me thru the union of oppposites in the beginning
of myself,
by discussion and resolution of my dispariteis and conflicts between
my own isis and osirus,
you in your understanding is far behind me and i apologise for my
impatience and tired fingers,
i am joining my soul spirit mate for ever, he is my consort, thru out
all eternity, we are joining
this is what you do after you have become unified
yourself completely or what some call self realized,
i am also joing as soul mate to another as well ,
and we all love ieach others
it is two men and one woman,
and it seems to be what works best here.
sort of like a pair with a one who is the
permanent link to his worlds,
he wants it to be more
so be it it is
and perhaps at the top the more realized
it is more permanent
and solid,,
so be it,,
>So from here
>I do see a healingproces going on, but I would wish you more clarity. And
>above all, I would wish you a good healer.Unfortunatly, your deafness may
>provide a little handicap.But may be you can talk in signlanguage and take a
the deaf ness keeps me in the void deeply but it also allows me
to not go in syn so easily and their fore i can not be hynotized
in my sleep with words, and chants...
>translator with you, or you might find someone that speaks signlanguage.
i probably have more intellegence and higher iq than you and am
fastly gathering more verbiage thru the collective minds thru which
dictate to me to speak to you, smile,
boy, so you think i am deaf and dumb..
hmmm....
the guru and ww,
>Right now you see your inner realms so clearly up to their archetypical bone.
>Great healing is happening.
thank you,
>I just wish that someone could help you to see and realize that all you
>experience is your inner world.
and the others collective inner world,, a separate reality,,,
and we each have the ability to do such ,
perhaps for most of us , after our bodily death,
i have been privileged like a medicine man in training
to go thru the ritual of death for my self and collectively too.
>It has nothing to do yet with sorcerystuff. You are caught up in
>interpretation.
the sorcerer is manifested by my writings and my sharing
books will result
i have wriiten over 3000 posts, and it is real
we have real esp
and that is true sorcery
it is the third eye
and it is sorcery seer type
you dont under stand the meaning of sorcery
the bliss and spirit tantra having its effect on my
and others physical bodies is sorcerery
and we heal each others thru the esp also
we all are learnign shapshifting
and maybe the day
i can come to you in the spirit while you are awake
and say hello there how are you today,,
smile might
move your assemblege
up a little higher, in consciusness and power to percieve
it is not my lack
it is your
inability to see
all that what i see and do
you are the
ameba
looking at the human and not knowing what it is...
you are the dog
lookng up at the human
deciding what to feed the dog
you are the
plant
trying to imagine what an animal is...
get my point
you need more faith
and you need to self examine
your restricting and self limiting
belief systems
perhaps a few couses
at the church of sciientology
will blow your belief system to
smithereens and you can
then in self determanisms
decide what ll it be
be a body
a slave to a god a thetan spieit
who could control you
because they know these things
exist,
or be self determined and control your
own body and mind and wake up
with your assemblege centered
in at least your spiirt.
if not the great spirit,
the guru and ww,
>In a way I hope that you can receive my words. I am not trying to give you an
>analysis or whatever.I just have the feeling that right now you can be
>reached.
yes i can and i love it
i don t want you to take offense at my words
this is an important die al ong
for you and me
you are the body , hades daughter psyche
talking with me , zues' daughter , virgin born out of his head, named
athena, the protector of animals children and is the wise, caring,
learned one ,
a philospher...
Marilyn
Spike, you just had to come in and shit on everything didn't you. What
an asshole you are. This discussion with Wings didn't have a damn thing
to do with you and your comments are full of shit. Henry responded to
this thread also, are you going to shit on him too? Why would you have
such a negative and personal reaction to this thread? Wings is fine
with this discussion and responding to us and I think appreciating some
of our heartfelt concern. If she is not upset, or taking it as being
any other way than sincere, then why should you.
M
Brandy Dominick
wild...@peconic.net wrote in message <356d54d8...@uns.peconic.net>...
>On Thu, 28 May 1998 01:29:56 -0500, "Brandy Dominick"
><bran...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>wild...@peconic.net wrote in message
>>>
>>>>life away here in the tonal, and you can give your energy away there.
Is
>>>>she only deluded? Who knows. It is completely possible that she is
>>>>contacting others, but it is her self-importance that causes her to buy
>>into
>>>>this, either way. She cannot pull back out because she does not want
to.
>>>>She has no will to change.
>>>i probably have more will than any of you in any combination...
>think of it this way,
>jesus was a very powerful messiah his message of brotherhood
>through the love of god
Everything we have of him says that he didn't die because he burned himself
out, V.
Absolute bullshit. repeat: They are people for whom what you ar4e claiming
are real experiences. They are fully awakened dream teachers and warriors.
>>
>>I really wish you well. I'd like to see you pull out of this. But I
>>believe you've been sold a psychic bill-of-goods, that has no basis in
fact.
>no one sold it to me , it is really happening, the floor vibrates with
>the energy, it is physically manifesting all over the place,
>i guess that is the fourth attention..smile,,,
I'm not argueing with you that your experiences are or are not real, V. The
reason for all of this is what I'm saying is a bill-of-goods. Your actions
are not helping anyone. The effect this has on your tonal is the proof.
>>It's sad, because what you're doing is not benefitting anyone. IMO,
you're
>>only shortening your own life, for nothing. To give it up means to admit
>>that you're just an average person like the rest of us, and you won't give
>>up your self-importance. M is right about the second attention, and you
are
>>as addicted to it as any heroin junky. And it's your self-importance
saying
>>that you have a 'mission' to save people. I just want you to save 1
>>person - yourself.
>i tried to get out but cant should i give up and surrender and allow
>them to drive me insane or should i hold my position and my truths
>and fight for my sanity,,,
>
You know anyone who is psychic and balanced enough to help you? Get help,
V.
>>
>>You want to get out? Find someone to help you. Run, don't walk, as far
>>away from your g as possible and get yourself clean. Create some shields
>>for yourself. And stop submitting yourself to psychic rape.
>i want to travel but cant, i have no funds,
>that is a good suggestion
>life has made me poor and i am ill.
>so it is a bad situation,,,
>the shields the guru has tried with some of his sorceric men friends
>to build to protect me and them...it does help but spirit has
>propertys
>where it is pretty impossible to stop a diablera who is nuts, or
>compulsive nuerotic,,,to the hilt,,,
Come on, V. This is exactly the crap I'm talking about. Only you, you,
you, can build your own shields. You have to do this out of your own will.
There's a book by Lyn Andrews that escapes me at the time that talks about
building shields. You create something in this reality at the same time
that you build something in the second attention. You're an artist. It
should be right up your alley. But you have to want the crap to stop.
The one holding on is you. Take responsibility for yourself. If you want
out, really want out, you'll get out.
Brandy Dominick
wild...@peconic.net wrote in message <356e9b2...@uns.peconic.net>...
>On Wed, 27 May 1998 12:27:30 -0500, "Brandy Dominick"
><bran...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Robotica wrote in message ...
>>>In article
>><172F3B5B495A7871.7AAECC80...@library-proxy.airnews.
ne
>>t> "Brandy Dominick" <bran...@bigfoot.com> writes:
>>>>From: "Brandy Dominick" <bran...@bigfoot.com>
>>>>Subject: Re: For Wildwings . . .
>>>>Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 17:23:49 -0500
>>>
>>>>V won't do this because she'd have to burst the bubble of her
>>>>self-importance that says she's suffering for all of us. There's got to
>my importantance is gained and earned and it is not mine it is the
>great spirit that is awake within and around me,,,
>so their is no ego in it, in fact at times l long for the
>baby hood of infantile feelings of safety that normals
>have that are purely delusional...
That's exactly what I see. It's not you, V, after all, it's the 'great
spirit'. So of course you really have no ego in this.
Bullshit!. You are saying that you are so important that you have to save
the world, even if it kills you. That's being a martyr, and that's not the
way things work, V. If you are all that you say you are, then give up the
need to save anyone else, until you have found a way to save yourself. When
you are taking care of your tonal, when you are well, when you are balanced,
if you are what you say, only then can your talents be useful.
Where is your alignment with mother earth, V? You may love her, but you
sure don't have any alignment here, it's all father sky energy. Go lay on
the ground on your belly, and send all of your fibers down into mother
earth. Feel her energy. Ask for her help.
>ww
>guru
>>be
>>>>a tremendous amount of energy trapped in her efforts to save us all.
>>>
>>> There you go
>>> 1/17/1997
>>> The old part of the dream still operates numerically.
>yes , i was awakened because of my dreams or my collective
>bahai dreams for the world...that i have worked on all my life,,,ww
>>>
>>>>In the end, she's just killing herself and maybe not so slowly. And
>>>>for absolutely nothing.
>yes, nothing is the Be all end All the alpha and omega, the Great
>Spirit....and my spirit as servant of it...ww
can you honestly believe that 'great spirit' want's you to die in this way?
Because that's bullshit. Health, hope, happiness, humor, these are the kind
of things that 'it' wants for you, not slow suicide of the tonal.
>>
>>>>Brandy
>>>
>>>
>>> Its her life and her death. Maybe shes doing what she chooses.
>my life in the great spirit, and my death to my spirit,,,,ww
>i am just stepping up a bit higher in consciousness
>it looks like i am dying, but i am coming closer to the source of
>all...and living in it...ww
No, you are dying in this reality. And death is death. You can't do it
without healing the physcial, V. You can't love mother earth and want so
badly to leave her.
>>
>>I know, Grumpy, but part of me is still indulgent enough to feel sad about
>>it. But not enough to attempt a rescue, because she is choosing this for
>>herself.
>if you "rescue" me you will go insane, dont try it,,,
>it is too too too much,
>and very wise to obey your instincts..
>but i love this conversation and sharing
>it is a conference of the birds of our respective heavens
>yours is the dove that you love, keeping everything peaceful
>and mundane, domestic,
>mine is the crow, magical , and he steals hearts, and jewels of the
>spirit kind,
>, and hides them away in my soul everyday with tests and difficulties,
>stalking them to death....ww
That's more bullshit. Is there love in my heart? Yes, there is. Enough
love to be willing to fight like hell, to heal myself, to stay in this
reality, to give to mother earth all that I can give, however much of little
that may be. The only way to create change is to begin with yourself, to
heal yourself. Each of us doing that, changing the energy of mother earth,
will create the change that both you and I want.
Why aren't you taking care of your tonal? Take care of it, get exercise, do
tensegrity or tai chi or yoga in this reality, align yourself with mother
earth. Do the work here in this reality. Than I'll have nothing to say
except to wish you well, which I do anyways.
>>
>>Brandy
>>>
Brandy Dominick
Robotica wrote in message ...
>In article <356E0EF8...@cable.A2000.nl> Rainbowbird
<D.Be...@cable.A2000.nl> writes:
>>From: Rainbowbird <D.Be...@cable.A2000.nl>
>>Subject: Re: For Wildwings . . .
>>Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 03:27:20 +0200
>
>>Wildwings, In many way's I agree with Marilyn and Brandy.
>>Your second attention has become more an obsession instead a area where
you
>>can research and explore.
>>From what I 've been reading from you kundaliniprocesses could be happen,
but
>>it sounds more like one of those in which kundalini works not in the most
>>nicest way.
>>All kind of phenomena are attached to it and some even claim that mental
>>diseases arise from a bad rising of kundalini.
>>Look it up on the web a lot of information is available.
>
>>I agree with Marilyn that you cannot go on without a healer.
>
>
> Marilyn is a foul mouth slut.
> Brandy,s still reeling from the lost of someone she wishes she had
>concluded a relationship with in a diferent fashion.
> You Rainbowbrain are a hippie twit bitch that wouldn,t know the second
>attention if it bit you on the ass.
>
> Go away and leave WW alone.
>
> You guys act as if Castaneda was writing travel novels about
Louisianna
>bayou country and the Alaskan outback.
>
> Maybe your all jealous. Look in the mirror.
> 1/17/97 certain things happened.
> Wildwings accidentally hooked her tele up to a fibre optic cable.
> She,ll learn the ins and outs and she,s having more fun and drama
than
>sghe,s had in a long time.
>
> She is on various lightspeeds at various times.
> The content providers are parocxhial at times but thats because the
>systema are under repair.
> So just stop reading her stuff.
> Or go adopt an abused puppy or something.
>
> Dr. Faustus Speckle
>
>P.S. No offense BD
>
Dr. Spikey,
She's hurting her physical body. She's said so. My concern for her is that
she is not taking care of herself, and that's she's burning herself out.
I won't ever stop warning people when I see that big cliff coming up and
they're looking at the horizon, not seeing what's at their feet. Won't try
to stop them, or interfere in their self-determination in any way.
Hey there's a cliff up there 40 feet ahead.
Hey there's a cliff up there 20 feet ahead.
Hey there's a cliff up there 10 feet ahead.
Damn.
Splat.
wild...@peconic.net
On Fri, 29 May 1998 09:41:35 -0700, h <h.lu...@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:
>wild...@peconic.net wrote:
>[]
>>
>> my intention is quite strong as you see, in that i am still here
>> writing about what i am suppose to to imform the public of the life
>> of sorcerery and that it is hell and not anything to be proud of
>> and that it is risky and to run like hell,
>> some may leave but some are not allowed, so i guess my master
>> my guru is the one holding on to me..
>
>hi wings,
> the other way around actually, you are holding on
>to this g, you are doing all of this to yourself.
he is holding on to me,
and i am happy about it,
most of the time
the reality of the circumstances are hard to put
on paper ,
he is the one to love and need me,
as well as one other,
to free himself
from this void,
and then to free the others,
who are also trapped
we are the ones to love each others
and will never let go
but must co operate or well drown together
and this is the problem
their are many scared young people
waking up in the void
and we are the ones to come up with the solution
one way is to make it hospitable to all
and to figure out the proper tech of like
building separate voids for children and adults
and separate esp telephone lines
that are private,
private roomw where one can be loved
and be in love
right now nothing is private
the news is spread everyway everywhere
why the esp television
goes all over the earth
we have esp telephone poles at the proper places
and the go down in to south america
and i have been shown on them sometimes
and some of them who shapeshift have come to my room
where my guru and friends hang out
and we sit in cluster talking
and sharing in esp and demonstration
like painting the airs
with tv and memories, of latest happening
the tensegrity in my house can be quite high
at times, and that is one of the reasons why
they refuse to leave,
the tesegrity the quality of the astral is remarkable
why the others even took some samples for their
rooms back with them to start a new batch of astral
etheric spirit air so the manifestion of magic can take place,
so much goes on that is is both beautiful and awe inspiriting.
what am i doing to myself
i am seeing and hearing and touching and loving
spirits,,,
they are stalking me ,,,
> the hardest truth
>to real-ize is: it's your truth. you have created your own private hell.
i am done with my so called normal life
i have stepped over the hill or the rainbow
for ever
how ever if you met me
you would think i was the most
intelegent amazingly perceptive
responsive person in any group
the most alert too
however if i decide i am bored with you
or see no purpose in communication with you
i can turn you and every other thing off
in two seconds and dive into the dream whole heartedly...
it is a science to me
the
Art of Dreaming is my life goal
is it yours
are you serious
or are you just playing at it
the reason i got
picked up
in the first place was
that it is my religion my life
no matter whether they pick me
up or put me down,,,
i am a dream er
and a magi and nothing can stop me
not even the bitter words that
run out of your fingers,,,
>
>a famous Japanese director once quoted:
> "those that God wishs to punish, are driven insane"
this is true, and the ones who sin are the ones who lose
their awarenesses , overts cause spiritual forgetfulness,,,
and if you do continueous overts you will lose your soul for ever
and descend to the lowest rung of humanity where you are lower
than insects who operate hynotically in syncronsity and still
in harmony with god
but a human being that way is so depraved and no conscience
just a pure killing machine a black hole with no love..
pure distruction
with no purpose or direction
pure chaos...itself...
which unwinds finally and becomes nothing
not even spirit
gone forever,,,
not even to be recycled....
poofe!!!!
>
>problem is, there is no God punishing anyone, just a karmic uni-verse
>taking back what living beings take for themselves.
i am liberated
i am self realized
i gave my will to god
along time ago
i am syn itself
the synmaker
the wishfullfiller,
but , do you want to
suffer through the
changes that your wishes
aim you for,
that is how many fail
at this path
they are not ready
for it,
they are not willing
to tough it out
and grow like a toughen warrior who
loves with abandon would...
on the path of love..
i am beyond karma
i am karma
i am the eye of god
i am gods love,
in that if one hurts me god goes after them
like the wolf after the deer,,,
and brings medicine
in the perfect form
of exacting price
to restore
equalibrium
within
so that you may
return to the path
that only goes one way
toward your maker,
>you are experiencing duality in the extreme:
>'the war between goodandevil'
i did not believe in evil as a being
but the being can have layers and layers
of darknesses and misunderstoods
of overwhelm as a spirit and person
where they went insane and lost their
way and went out of alignment with
the syn of humanity and gods will,
I believe in darkness and ignorance dramatized,
over and over again as the pits of hell.
for both the victim and the aggresser.
the aggressor never recovering,
in proportun to the damage and intent
and repetitious act,,,
and true knowledge of what hes done,
> but it's just 'smoke and mirrors' to the Big Kahuna
>who's the Big Kahuna you ask ???
>like every teensyweeensyitybitynothing in this circus you will
> never know.
you are so bitter,
you put everyone down
and many are saints,
you are the one who did not get her way,,,
you sound so bitter,
perhaps you did not find your spirit
if you did you would know you existed,
i am the one to love and be glad
i am not you and never will be that,
i wonder why god rewards the saints
like me,
and punishes the sinner like you,
for you are being punished , even now,
what have you done young lady
to deserve your bitterness,
can you repent,
time to inspect your own back yard lady-oo...
making me less than the great spirit that i am
at times,
will do you no good, and bring in sad times,
try to reach up and out and celebrate like mad
devine madness is the heights of glory near the god...
you could never do that
well i believe you
and i will leave you to your private hells
that you are creating
just dont try to assign your hells
to my area 51,
i am the bold and free
life changes for me
every day
i am living are you
i experience the range of
happy and sad
do you
you seem stuck at bitterness
what are you dramatizing
loss....
why,,?
get over it, and
change your style
obvious ly you are the one
who is unappitizing
you are bitter..
no one likes bitter,,,
no wonder you are nothing
i am the guru mirror for you
reflect on my words
and you will see
the light of day,,
dawning
and you will change
your standing on the tone
scale,,,of emotion and awareness.
>but will gladly drive yourself mad trying, rather than being thankful
>to just be vicky.
vicky who
i have so many names
names are not important,
anymore,,,,
when i go to heaven as i have
my name is nemesis or god
it matter not
what matters is that did i make it past the eagle
or not
in one piece,
what do you think
you are such a fatalist
you are not a warrior seeking truth
you are not willing to risk your good
or bad name that is illusion itself
are you,,,
nothing matter but what you are
and if you are not
which is what you are implying
why that is your bad acid trip
i dont do drugs
i do the real thingy...
i am over there baby
and you are under six feet of horse shit,,,
>it's a uni-verse of tough love baby
no it is not,
for you yes
but i have had the oppersite
perhaps it is what you believe
and what you believe you give out
and get back,,,in complete fullness
and for this i am thankful...
>get over yourself, and watch some flowers grow
my self is not only myself any more
i have inherited not one church or philosophy
gang =but several
and this is really something
how can i get over many to love
and to battle,,as allies and diableras..
by the way i have a garden that has thousands of flowers
i am an excellent land scapist,,,
and planted designed mostly myself
it is eden,
on an acre...
with a pond,
and benches ,
hedges
and hundreds of varieties
of roses
everywhere ,
herbs
every variety
of evergreen tall
and inbetween
hedges
sheltering
flowering fragrant bushes
every seasons
tomatoes
and cookng herbs
even medicinal indian herbs
that florished
and i took seed from
datura which is legal here
and very popular by the way.
climbing grapes clementus
honey suckle of different varieties
daisys of all sorts
lillies by the hundreds
day and bulb varieties
hyacynths and tulips daffies
too,
montauk daisys at the end of the season and
many more things like succulents
that spread
like crazy
mints in many varieties smell so nice
in the summer breeze
jasmine
bamboo,
of different kinds
many more kinds of flowering cherrys
water fall white pink
etc crabapples
and others
trees,
you see
apple varieties
wild natural varieteis of flowers
here,
you told me to do flowers
now i advise you to look
at your own backyard
smile,
and well what can i say
you know nothing about me do you...?
>before u are under them.
>peace & love
you sound so bitter,
i hope things change
and you grow in happiness
and quit your sinning that is making you sad,
your not is ing and
low havingness for others
is pathetic
i have to say
listen and address
robota
becuase that is the one
that is mystery
she or he is the one that may know more
that he or she lets on....
i am not sinning and i am happy
even though i am the victim at times
i love myself
enought
to end my days
to make sure the aggressor doesnt get her way...
>luvuna
>
Marilyn
Wings, this is the last I have to say on this discussion because you
are still rambling and straying from the main issue. The final word on
all of this came from Brandy's last two posts. She is giving you tough
love and the truth and the very best thing you could do for yourself is
listen to her words with your heart.
Peace and strength V.
Marilyn
Rainbowbird
I never liked your anger better.
Sharpening her teeths...and starting to get dangerous..
Naa, just men trying to know everything better.
Rainbowbird
h
wild...@peconic.net wrote:
>
> On Fri, 29 May 1998 09:41:35 -0700, h <h.lu...@worldnet.att.net>
> wrote:
>
> >wild...@peconic.net wrote:
> >[]
> >>
and all who are touched by you
aren't you coming to the fleshmeet ?
haven't heard from you on that thread ?
hank
wild...@peconic.net
On Sat, 30 May 1998 10:52:08 -0700, h <h.lu...@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:
>wild...@peconic.net wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 29 May 1998 09:41:35 -0700, h <h.lu...@worldnet.att.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >wild...@peconic.net wrote:
>> >[]
>> >>
>may peace and love come to all that you touch
> and all who are touched by you
>
>aren't you coming to the fleshmeet ?
>
>haven't heard from you on that thread ?
>
>hank
hi hank
i discussed it with my gurus
and the
diableras
and the diableras said they would show up if i
did
fangs threatened,
she is from the citron city
i am not the one to see her
and you are not either
becuase she is ruthless
and with out conscience
she will kill, insiduously
without regard
there is something i have to say
is that
becuase i have the void
i am contaminated
and every phone call i make
this diablera or the others
try to take the friend of mine
or inocent and screw up their day,
or capture them and pull them in
the void,
i am in the middle of escaping the void
and or emptying it out
and when i am through you can be sure
that i would love to see you all
and hug you becuase i love
and i feel close to you all
no matter what you say
unless one of you is already
in the shadow of the citron city
and under the care and bad wishes
of the diableras there, then i feel for
you
because i dont see how a person can
recover from something like a bad
sorcereress who has her ego eyes
on you.
so you are better off if i stay this
way
only the ones in the void
who are good men, basically
are allowed to see me
and can stand it
becuase they are awake and
know what it is about..
the good ones at the city
are shitting scared
and have called the soul drs
in the lower regions
of mexico to please
sit and judge and come up
with the right ingredients
to heal the rift in the
tensegrity of the collective
soul of the ones near,
the one we love...
-----------------------------------
sometimes the use from what i have been told
by some in the void that
the foolish ones over use
or use, coke.
i ww have never had any,
coke spaces you out, and empties all your adrenals
it makes you whimper
(this sounds like how i am after a day or incident of
tensegrity beating and stealing,)
the ones stealing it dont necessarily want bliss
they want brains
and fast thinking an syn
good luck anotherwards
another thing that coke does according to my co habitants
in the void, is that
it enhances the sense of speeding in astral winds
a thing that sorcerers and witches adore,
a sense of flying fast, which
i have experienced on my own
when i went to god
and other times when i went to the moon,,and mars,
and outer planets to see them in perfect
unblurred vision.. as they are,,,
crisp as a button with color...
coke also emphasises the intensity of astral projection
it enhances it to the point of really being there,
it intensifies the tantric experience so much that
amazing spiritual phenominae happens,
like the bliss blending and rolling up together
as on drop in the ocean of infinity
that went into perhaps the soma chakra
as it dove or as ised on into my forehead
it like almost or did evaporated
into the spiritual realm,
see past post , about tantra recently.
after being whipped by the diableras..
he was thrown on the bed fully materialized
on me, so passionate that he was throwing
around the bed, lifting me up and having me
in several positions , it was really real and i
was one with his feelings of passion
and he surprised me,
he had been watching over me for along
time and couldnt not stand it any more
he was the one to be on coke and hes is
passionatly fond of and in love with her
for a long time having been married two tmes
in the inner church teachings of this church
of his, and he just took me, even though i was not
perfect to him in his mind having syned with a jam
who is very very anerexic she is thin to the point of death
from lovesickness of coke and bliss of the tantric
sex astral projection where to the point she does
suck tensegrity out of the ones so called attacking
her lover, that she sucks out of , she regards
all assholes or lovers as brown cows
ones to be used for tensegrity purposes
for the other warrior ones that act like
spieis for to rescue the cool prostitiutes and white slavers
who sell ladies south of the border,
which i was not going to be near the border
either,
i was going to go north,,,
and get lost in salem,,if i could raise the money.
anyway
my lover ran away after having wonder spiritual realization
that perhaps she was his mate in that he and the guru
were partially syned together,
to love me, because they both loved me and they are
investigating the science of the spirit and it is done
with psycotropic drugs and non drug users.
coke can and will backlash on lovers if they find out
that one or the other is using it,
anerexic kids are usually coke users and loved starved
and can astral project as a matter of fact they are spaced
and are used for spiritual sex first and then real with
astral experts types who can do it too, sorcerers,
coke is the extroordinary aprodiasiac that is
the one to perhaps try or do it through the esp
like i have, where my lovers were perhaps able to
remember how to do the estatic feeling of bliss
after doing it once,
and you can do it there after,
and dont need it ever again,
this is in line with the indian master of mexico
who used religious drugs to open faculties
like ability to seer esp and astral travel
in tensegrity haveing fine perceptics in tensegrity,
and also having bliss,,
it should be used on indian land andlegally
and under your own risk
with who ever the medicine man is
becuase not all sorcerers are bonifide
gurus ,,,
even the gurus have tests and difficulties,
coke makes people very intense and one minded
and compulsive nurotic,,,
they can have highs and bliss and ectasy themselves
on various drugs that far surpass, the dream sex of
spiritual tantra where two get together and love
eachother spiritually both immerse in the others organism
and if a third party is there it can roll back and forth
if they are all gurus with god realization
to a degree where they are in buddic planes of
astral consciousnes,
if a lower consciousness is near us they really dont feel it
so they steal tensegrity and run like hell to a lower chakra
lover,
the first triad, of chakras is the survival chakras
and the ones i call dieableros are the ones who are
hypnotized and turn around and do it again to others
in order so they can do bliss,
they do it to the gurus and sometimes they are sucessful
but usually they will punch his green suit soul container
and ripp it appart , it hurts so bad because i was not allowed
to share intimacy with another soul like you ww,
and it was just ripped off by a spunned lover who was
turning vampirici when i started doing you in tantra
in the slpirit our level of coming and light was soaring
all over the place in the higher chakras
out the top of the head and even into the other gurus
that i was in syn with
and they wanted to know what it was and started
to experiament with it with my excess energy
soul tensegrity and got hooked to it and the girls
got extremely hooked to it becuase it filled their
need to be hugged and fondled loved appreciated
in the dreamtime
the sharing of soul tensegrity happens after death
and in extremely advanced spiritual cases of ones
that are on their way to guru,,,
i had severe withdrawels from leaving the
church of scientology for years, just from
a bit of auditing, of 2 years worth
level 0, keyto life, life repair and int rundown,,,
the int rundown and then soul split that i recieve
on christmas evening at 930 pm was the charm
of caving in my void.... and making me have
severe withdrawals of tensegrity
the drain of tensegrity of the cos of scientology
started then perhaps , lrh died, that jan 24
and i left the cos running away,
jan 9, 86,
the eagle may have done it, it was syn maybe
or it was the diablera ielie,
or a concordance of three in syn, that split my soul..
the fact that i was trapped and wanted to leave with all my heart
even though i loved ron ,
and i asked god , if it was time to go
and he answered in loud esp
yes, you can go now...
this was in dec 11 or so of 85
up to that point the answer was alway no...
after i left there was tensegrity drained out of the cos
and their was a take over again , with a lesser volcanic
type reaction, with the low tensegrity,,,
so it may have been the admirals lrh s wish to do it this way.
so that no harm would come, and their was an cmo ethics
mission for a couple of monthes maybe three after, i remember
becuase my ex was going back everyday and having me
be accused of being sp. or at least pts to an sp...
in the end i was body routedout and labeled
sick in body.. which i was, blown out adrenals.
so when we have blown out adrenals
and the coke effect or withdrawel of no auditing comes
use the havingness rundown that is in the coffee table book
Introductory and demonstration processes
and assists,
the fact that scientology is addictive like a drug like coke
and causes body to slow down to nothing no basal
metabolism, where they tell you to run around the bloclk
a few times becuase you are too static
pure spirit in infinity, and they cant take mass off your
case when you have no metabolism
where they tell you to run around the block it is for
to start up the body metabolism,
before auditing starts..
>
(dan)
Marilyn wrote:
>
> Spike, you just had to come in and shit on everything didn't you.
......... If she is not upset, or taking it as being
> any other way than sincere, then why should you.
>
> M
Why shouldn't he do anything he feels like doing in this newsgroup?
When did he do this dastardly deed you're alleging!? I don't see it on
my isp... and the numbers of the threads line up... what did he do that
was terrible!?!?? He's actually been very kind time after time to
Vickster... geeeesh, M, why do you let your dislike of certain of us
guys get the better of you so often?
Keelhaul .... might be the only answer. 'shrug.
D
Marilyn
Dan wrote:
>I don't see anything on my isp
Well then how do you know what the hell I am talking about? Geessuuss
Dan, you will jump in anywhere, anytime and blow it out your ass. Why
don't you make sure of what you are referring to before shooting your
big mouth off. And this thread or my post had nothing to do with you,
but you have to stick your dumbass comments in, as well as call me names
when you don't even know what you are talking about. And as long as you
continue going after me, I will return in kind. You continue to prove
your statement about leaving me alone and being nice another big lie.
M
h
wild...@peconic.net wrote:
>
> On Sat, 30 May 1998 10:52:08 -0700, h <h.lu...@worldnet.att.net>
> wrote:
>
> >wild...@peconic.net wrote:
> >>
> >> On Fri, 29 May 1998 09:41:35 -0700, h <h.lu...@worldnet.att.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >wild...@peconic.net wrote:
> >hank
hi ww
went to a nudey bar awhile back with some married friends of mine
i'm single and the cutest pennsy girl u ever did see was dancing
naked for tips. weell, i couldn't keep my eyes off her. so when she came
my way, i asked her her name. she said "al-li-son" so i says,
"allison pie, because u r good enough to eat." she giggled, and i gave
her a buck. so of course she comes back to dance later in the night,
and i says, " u know, i was wrong about the pie, u r too cute to be pie"
true story wings u r correct about me, i'm bitter and a sinner.
butt, i love sundays!
the world is perfect on sundays!
i get the day off!
love too u & yours
una uomo (womo)
EE
(SNIP tape loop)
Sounds familiar ...
Is it live?
Or is it memorex?
:-)
Robotica
In article <356FDC61...@cable.A2000.nl> Rainbowbird <D.Be...@cable.A2000.nl> writes:
>From: Rainbowbird <D.Be...@cable.A2000.nl>
>Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 12:16:01 +0200
>I never liked your anger better.
>Sharpening her teeths...and starting to get dangerous..
>Naa, just men trying to know everything better.
>Rainbowbird
>Marilyn wrote:
>> Spike, you just had to come in and shit on everything didn't you. What
>> an asshole you are. This discussion with Wings didn't have a damn thing
>> to do with you and your comments are full of shit. Henry responded to
>> this thread also, are you going to shit on him too? Why would you have
>> such a negative and personal reaction to this thread? Wings is fine
>> with this discussion and responding to us and I think appreciating some
>> of our heartfelt concern. If she is not upset, or taking it as being
Robotica
>Marilyn wrote:
Why do you need to fix or destroy ?
CG
>
>Dr. Spikey,
>
>She's hurting her physical body. She's said so. My concern for her is that
>she is not taking care of herself, and that's she's burning herself out.
>
>I won't ever stop warning people when I see that big cliff coming up and
>they're looking at the horizon, not seeing what's at their feet. Won't try
>to stop them, or interfere in their self-determination in any way.
>
>Hey there's a cliff up there 40 feet ahead.
>
>Hey there's a cliff up there 20 feet ahead.
>
>Hey there's a cliff up there 10 feet ahead.
>
>Damn.
>
>Splat.
>
Brandy you forgot the 2 foot warning which is the only one that counts
anyway.
(wheezer)
I really love this guy.... says it simply, says it cleanly... says it
like he believes it is.
Nicely done, Cap'n.
:-)
(wheezer)
it's either marilex or danex or ?????
either way, the noise level is not at a good level 'tween M and I.
D
(e, I do so like you so very much)
(wheezer)
CG wrote:
>
.....
> Brandy you forgot the 2 foot warning which is the only one that counts
> anyway.
Ahhhhh Ceeg.... tis a heartwarming thing to see you here.
:-)
EE
> EE wrote:
> > (SNIP tape loop)
> > Sounds familiar .
> > Or is it memorex?
(wheezer) wrote:
> it's either marilex or danex or ?????
> either way, the noise level is not at a good level 'tween M and I.
You wouldn't be the first gruesome twosome at adc to do that! ;-)
> (e, I do so like you so very much)
And I like you too, Dan.
You're a rare flower of manhood ... :-)
EE
CG
On Fri, 29 May 1998 11:29:58 -0700, Wildh...@webtv.net (Marilyn)
wrote:
>Spike, you just had to come in and shit on everything didn't you. What
>an asshole you are. This discussion with Wings didn't have a damn thing
>to do with you and your comments are full of shit. Henry responded to
>this thread also, are you going to shit on him too? Why would you have
>such a negative and personal reaction to this thread? Wings is fine
>with this discussion and responding to us and I think appreciating some
>of our heartfelt concern.
the road to hell is paved with heartfelt concern
Marilyn
CG wrote:
>The road to hell is paved with heartfelt
>concern
Geezzz, such a positive attitude. Fraid I have to disagree with this
statement. Heartfelt concern may be a dead end road, but it is not one
of things that is on that road to hell. Anyway, hell is here on earth.
You find it in the eyes of the sick, insane, homeless, and abused.
There is no "hell" as defined by the bible for a warrior.
M
E3346
Marilyn writes:
>Anyway, hell is here on earth.
>You find it in the eyes of the sick, insane, homeless, and abused.
>There is no "hell" as defined by the bible for a warrior.
You also find it in the eyes of those who are full of self importance and self
pity and those who appear to have so much .....
Eileen
CG
On Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:48:48 -0700, Wildh...@webtv.net (Marilyn)
wrote:
>CG wrote:
>
>>The road to hell is paved with heartfelt
>>concern
>
>Geezzz, such a positive attitude. Fraid I have to disagree with this
>statement. Heartfelt concern may be a dead end road, but it is not one
>of things that is on that road to hell. Anyway, hell is here on earth.
>You find it in the eyes of the sick, insane, homeless, and abused.
>There is no "hell" as defined by the bible for a warrior.
>
>
>M
>
>
Marilyn,
you speak with all the discombubolated idiocy of a sap headed dolt.
Kim Venti
E3346 wrote in message <199806032251...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
>Marilyn writes:
>>Anyway, hell is here on earth.
>>You find it in the eyes of the sick, insane, homeless, and abused.
>>There is no "hell" as defined by the bible for a warrior.
>
>You also find it in the eyes of those who are full of self importance and
self
>pity and those who appear to have so much .....
>
> Eileen
>
>
So so much, yet... so very little to give. A self concept based on one's
self-worthiness and self importance are contrary, doncha think?
What do you think?
kimzie
E3346
Kim asked: (perhaps rhetorically)
>So so much, yet... so very little to give. A self concept based on one's
>self-worthiness and self importance are contrary, doncha think?
>
>What do you think?
I'm not exactly sure what you mean by your words, Kim. If they are contrary
... would you tell me what you mean so I can understand? I have no judgements
about any one's self-concept ... it is what it is. I work on a suicide hot
line ... you'de be surprised what hell consists of ... what concept of self
is. Of course, I always wonder about the people who don't call crisis lines
and who have the same issues as crisis callers. They don't see their lives as
hell at all, but see their lives as heaven .... a paradox.
Eileen
(perception is everything)
Marilyn
Sweet and loving CG wrote with so much heartfelt concern:
>You speak with all the discombubolated
>idiocy of a sap headed dolt
Gee, CG, :) if you're gonna use them big $2.00 words you should at
least get the spelling right, don't ya think? A little discombobulated
maybe? Anyway, I'm not biting. I have heard about the war you waged
against Brandy and I'm not going to be your next victim. Been there,
done that. (Hi Dan :)) So, have a nice day and watch out for them pesky
dolts.
<bg>
M
Marilyn
Brandy, I realized after I posted that message to CG that it may read
as if I was calling you a victim. I didn't mean it that way, and I
apologize if it seemed that way. BTW, where you been? How 'bout jumping
back in the water. :)
M
CG
On Thu, 4 Jun 1998 13:26:10 -0700, Wildh...@webtv.net (Marilyn)
wrote:
its the nature of a meager intellect when outed to seek refuge in some
safe harbor, like a dictionary. promise to spare me your hard felt
concern. this doesn't consoyn brandy, so leave her out. i know your
type of treacherous mediocrity to a tea, or should be say an X?
anyway, you haven't been there or done that or it would be plain. you
called my name, now live with the consequences. plus I don't do
emoticons.
(wheezer)
Hey Ceeg...
She's a hardcase headcase basketcase spacecadet. But she's sort of
trying at times to *change* or whatever. She's no better nor worse than
many of the *them*.
So... live on, dream, and die a good death and do the dance of life one
last time when ol death comes a'callin.
:-) {sorry for the emoticon, CG, but I really did smile}
Wheezer
.......
RStark1957
CG to Marilyn:
"you called my name, now live with the consequences. plus I don't do
emoticons."
Yep . . . and after all this time you're still an asshole.
( o )
Randy
Robotica
In article <3573eaed...@NEWS.CONCENTRIC.NET> mat...@concentric.com (CG) writes:
>From: mat...@concentric.com (CG)
>Subject: Re: For Psychoman
>Date: 03 Jun 1998 09:29:58 EDT
>
>the road to hell is paved with heartfelt concern
From: wild...@peconic.net
Subject: Re: For CG
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 01:40:58 GMT
On Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:48:48 -0700, Wildh...@webtv.net (Marilyn)
wrote:
>CG wrote:
>
>>The road to hell is paved with heartfelt
>>concern
>
>Geezzz, such a positive attitude. Fraid I have to disagree with this
>statement. Heartfelt concern may be a dead end road, but it is not one
>of things that is on that road to hell. Anyway, hell is here on earth.
>You find it in the eyes of the sick, insane, homeless, and abused.
>There is no "hell" as defined by the bible for a warrior.
>M
now i know you are not in the void,,,
ww
>
>M
>
>
I rest my case.
Dr. Faustus Spikenheimer
Robotica
In article <199806041735...@ladder03.news.aol.com> e3...@aol.com (E3346) writes:
>From: e3...@aol.com (E3346)
>Subject: Re: For CG
>Date: 04 Jun 1998 17:35:55 GMT
Nice reply.
I say: " Command matters of Interpretation "
or the opposite occurs and they command you.
Spike
wild...@peconic.net
RStark1957
Marilyn:
"There is no 'hell' as defined by the bible for a warrior."
Wildwings:
"now i know you are not in the void,,,"
So, Vicky Luke . . . is this a good thing or a bad thing?
Randy
Robotica
In article <199806050241...@ladder03.news.aol.com> rstar...@aol.com (RStark1957) writes:
>From: rstar...@aol.com (RStark1957)
>Subject: Re: For CG . . . blowing bubbles.
>Date: 5 Jun 1998 02:41:14 GMT
>Randy
Aw Gosh there you go spoiling the mystery agin.
Maw load up the buckshots imma goin flyin sorcerer huntin ttuday.
Rufus " The Bastard Son with Six Toes " Speckle
RStark1957
Marilyn:
"There is no 'hell' as defined by the bible for a warrior."
Wildwings:
"now i know you are not in the void,,,"
Randy:
"So, Vicky Luke . . . is this a good thing or a bad thing?"
Rufus:
"Aw Gosh there you go spoiling the mystery agin.
Maw load up the buckshots imma goin flyin sorcerer huntin ttuday."
Randy:
Put on a heavy coat while yer at it, Ruf, it's snowin' up here.
Dr. Faustus:
"I rest my case."
Randy:
Well it's about time!
It's about space,
It's about time I
smacked your face!
( o )
[Just kidding . . . there is a certain mystery to Vicky's ramblings and
experiences that defies interest, I mean explanation. Read as not-doings of
substance, her epistles can actually invoke inner silence if read all the way
through several times.]
Reporter:
"What do you think of Western civilization?"
Gandhi:
"It would be a very good idea."
Brandy Dominick
Just practicing that old inner and outer silence thingy.
But I keep an eye on all of you guys, so don't think I'm missing anything.
OO
Brandy
Marilyn wrote in message <6l724q$ckv$1...@newsd-143.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...
wild...@peconic.net
On Sat, 6 Jun 1998 05:04:16 LOCAL, Machi...@Fact-Factory.Org
(Robotica) wrote:
>In article <199806051401...@ladder01.news.aol.com> rstar...@aol.com (RStark1957) writes:
>>From: rstar...@aol.com (RStark1957)
>>Subject: Re: For CG . . . blowing bubbles.
>>Date: 5 Jun 1998 14:01:44 GMT
>
>>Marilyn:
>>"There is no 'hell' as defined by the bible for a warrior."
>
>>Wildwings:
>>"now i know you are not in the void,,,"
>>Randy:
>>"So, Vicky Luke . . . is this a good thing or a bad thing?"
>>Rufus:
>>"Aw Gosh there you go spoiling the mystery agin.
>>Maw load up the buckshots imma goin flyin sorcerer huntin ttuday."
>>Randy:
>>Put on a heavy coat while yer at it, Ruf, it's snowin' up here.
>>Dr. Faustus:
>>"I rest my case."
>>Randy:
>>Well it's about time!
>>It's about space,
>>It's about time I
>>smacked your face!
>>( o )
--------------------------------
>>[Just kidding . . . there is a certain mystery to Vicky's ramblings and
>>experiences that defies interest, I mean explanation. Read as not-doings of
>>substance, her epistles can actually invoke inner silence if read all the way
>>through several times.]
that is because i am as-is ing the truth, itsa ing, and in church of
scientology, it is telling the event or mass of whatever,a present
time problem,,,goals, mass. problems, etc, i and the g are seering,
,standingbetween you and the great silence , your spirit, the g's,
my writings that are truths and axioms are charged with energy that
is prophetic and blow through the walls and veils of unconsciousnesses
in your consciousness that is collective,,in nature, we all have one
here,
the group consciousness, we are clearing it , for the collective
cosmic consciousness that we all hold so dear, these writings
are sometimes in rhythym and rhyme and do change your
consciousness to a power ladened intent,,,that goes collective
and joins the main one, and you join in on the dream in the void,,
smile...
the g and ww
> She reports accurately. I just choose different non-linear
>previously unused symbols to ingest and purge the same waves.
>Its quicker that way. If you coin the word, you own treasure.
the guru told me that he can do it in non linear ways
of pictures and symbols and feelings and spirit impulses
that carry thousands of realities that can be strung
as prisms looking glass windows all the way across eternity,
and he
does indeed
do it, but he is the one to do words with me,so i can literally
seer it from him that means translate as it comes, rough as it is
because the others in the dream are having second thoughts
about what he sends and it ends up being a battle of what i write
sometimes, several words come at me at the same times
and i have to choose the one that he wants
and it is easy because he is with in me, he send a piece of his
soul to recieve the words he sends so well to me, sort of like
a second plus his most devoted hang round me
as well as his enemies that are getting discouraged
they are the ones that thought this was not serious
like just a game and it is above games conditions
it is the real thing, uh-huh, yeah, this is true,,,
sometimes these words do and will deliver bliss
rapture and whirling dervish feelings within your heart..
unendeing rapture is yours if we can do it says he...
the g,,,
> I prefer not to think about such things at length.
it depends on your capacity, it is strength, and it is wisdom
to know the difference, of is it for you todo or not,,
>Interferes with the digestion of more appetizing goodies like
>fresh soup meat and fruits from the garden.
we all do need and require mental and body balance,
but
for the ones who can carry heavy doses of guru love
and information they are the ones who are in the garden
permanently, the garden of god, of love, infinite...
they need no rest,,
are you kidding, they are of the truley blessed,,
even though packed with tests and difficulties
allong the way they increase with spiritual strengths
which help the ones behind see the light of humanity
within them more clearly, and develope a sureness
about the infinite of spirit, which is something we
all should take a look and deal with because
we will have to sooner or later,,,this is true...
...the guru
>
>>Reporter:>"What do you think of Western civilization?"
>>Gandhi:
>>"It would be a very good idea."
>
> I wonder what old baggy pants would think of india and pakistan testing
>nukies. Then again theres a certain type of violence associated with
>non-violence. :-)
usually when a great personage like gandi shows up
it is an indication of great power in the area 51
god is gracious and sends out the prophets ahead of time
to prepare the minds of men before the actual event
to soften the impact or wrongs which could have been done
and god is still there actively makeing gains in econicmic
raising of the poor and suffering there, evennow..there
are saints everywhere working for world peace which
involves more than just green and getting rid of nukes
it is changing the hearts and minds of men everywhere
and changing the collective consciousness and what
it dreams, dream sorcery is very omnipotent right now...
the guru
> Dishonest manipulation leading to energy compacting and subsequent
>counter expansion in direct proportion to the duration and velocity of the
>initial compression.
god is gracious, and it can be changed , in intent,
the energy is the same but it the collective anger and suffering of
the masses in india can be sublimated for cleaning up the environment
and political clout within the united nations,
it can be transformed into
plutonic love
not distruction
power is nuetral in its own intent
it is man with a distructive bent who
is the
angel
or devil
who uses it,,
who will use the power
and change the collective intent of the nations of indian and pakastan
with in the dreamtime
the collective unconsciousness of those whosuffer so much damage
some dream crew has to go in and
fix it
as is it
itsa it
process it
bring light to it
bring it out into the open
for the festering wounds to heal
the psyche of these two nations
are wounded to the essence, to the spirit,
their hearts are broken in pieces
are they never to be collected..?
the dreamtime sorcers who are the collective eagle
of the planet are the new age gurus
who know how to do real
down and dirty magic
to survive in the worst imaginable places
that mankind can do and dream up
like the
nazis did,
sorcery is not for kids..
it is hell
froze over
no heart to it
we have to be fucking gurus
in the spirit at least,
to resolve the difficulties
that we are able to seer and see
this is the tantric way
and it is the way of rama krisna
and the Mother , his wedded wife..
for eternity,,,
his consort, his eve, his soul
who gave him power and
steadiness, in the light,,,
by her strength of beauty
in his contemplations
and meditations
inspiried him to high heaven
and brought light
to his tantra meditations,
and the light gives
bliss rapture
and disolves lies
and dark masses within
it sheds light on the subject
needed to resolve and know
about,
it is the seering quality of this path
she is the one to bring
mercy and love into the picture
she is the way out of the
situation that needs help with..
we in the void do the same thing
we do do spirit tantra to
get out of situations by
having revelation immediately
preceding the event needed solving
the power with in needs to be used
frugally and with wisdom and
not played with it is for surviviing
and ever evolving of the persons
and collective involved within its
influential lights
books wriiten in its lights
have the potentency of many books
writtin in the not know of things,
it is the knowing how to know innate
faculty of spirit when used correctly
is the way to be activating spirit
of the realities needed at the time
of revelation to make the changes
needed,,to compensate and bring back
the divine heavenly ordained balance
that is harmonically natural evident
in the great spirit that is the highest
intellegence that exist in the creation
that we know..of...
the g and ww
> I swear I,m talking about ghandi and not V-Luke the magnificante
ha ha ha !!!
ww
or
~V~
>
> Rufus "ready about and hard to lee" Starboard
>
wild...@peconic.net
On Sat, 06 Jun 1998 06:25:07 GMT, "BJ" <vjo...@istar.ca> wrote:
>
>Marilyn wrote in message <6l45qg$ale$1...@newsd-141.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...
>CG wrote:
>
>>The road to hell is paved with heartfelt
>>concern
>
>Geezzz, such a positive attitude. Fraid I have to disagree with this
>statement. Heartfelt concern may be a dead end road, but it is not one
>of things that is on that road to hell. Anyway, hell is here on earth.
yes, it is the earths the animals the human sufferings
that are caused by ignorances of humanities upbringing
we are the caretakers of the earth
and if you dont mind me saying so
the usa with its money clout needs to straighten up its
econimic mess, and get frugal and make good sacrifices
that are worthy of a gandi , as far as we can in everyway we
can, private organiziations included not just the govt
the collective involvement of all good men participating
in the heartfelt activation of the friends of the earth
doing what is wanted and needed in the most wise
application and order that is needed is what we need here,
maybe the inner wealth of god and the lights of heaven
will open our hearts and minds to figure how to make
this ideal scene go right, becuase we need to relieve
present time problems of the earth and her peoples
avatar says they do the collective unconsciousness
and clear it up a whole lot
changing the hearts and minds of everyone on the earth
the bahai do it through activity as well and prayer
to conjure up the lights of divine guidance
the indians send their prayers up on the wings of love
of the eagle to the great spirit for answers to problems
that plague them,,,
we all need to be more collective and organized
would be great if there was a hugh void riding over
the top of mens hearts and heads
that had all the answers and instructions on how
to enlighten oneself by osmosis we learn the tantric
techniques and all good men who have risen
to heart enlightment would have access to this
inner knowledge , these days are the days
of inner sanctum and sactuary where the good
can go get the answers and be refreshed by the
latest windflowers of spiritual insprations...of diverse
highminded ones in the I Am of the collective consciousness
many do participate in it including gurus mentors
geniuses and some are aware and some have
walls and barriars to memory when crossing over
to the 2nd attention, those who have the good luck
or bad,
to remember everything that happens in their area 51
of the I am
remember this,
that the ones around you are the ones like you
now you need to realize that the evil ones who know
the good guru are also around, and the tech of clearing the
deck and
getting them educated as to what damage they are doing
is the utmost importance and the handling of them is
important too
that they become productive citizens of the void
and do what and pick what info from it they can
and apply it to the earth
situation,
we are suppose to dream get info and then apply
the data immediately to the problem on the earth
these are
the dynamics of prayer,
and the only way the earths situation will change
this is the way of the genius the mentor
the true dreamer the seers the prophets
and the innovators,,,
they recapitulate it
writeit down and then contemplate how to apply it
in the best best best way
on all dynamics, the
first being you and your physical situation
second being you and your male or female survival marraige
third being extended group or family friends survivial as a whole
group and what you do for all the dynamics as a collective
fourth is mankinds survival
and what do you do for it
fifth is all living things like green the earth and animal species
including the human genetics the aborigines etc
sixth is all exisitng things like the mineral kingdom are we
hurting the earth with nuke shit
translating the elements forever changing the abiltiy to bounce
back to the organic kindom , or does it die inthe inorganics.
this is the battle line in the sand for the life on the planet
this nuke shit,,
very important,,
seventhdynamic
is spirit and helping it servive and we are working on that in this
void dreamtime place
and the eigth is god, and helping the Word of god servive
the wisdoms given out and seeked and revealed as inseering from the
highest
level the lotus of wisdom,,and taking care we always have a
manifestation of god and wisdom treating the holy ones
who carry the void and the surviving data on how to live
as a holy happy human being, the
medicine men like don juan are theones to treat with
respect and
make sure they are safe and co operate with the info
they revelate, and use it , until you are able to do the same
medicine path on your own they
are the greatest humans on the earth
they are the highest station
they are the manifestations of love
incarnate to some degree
they are the bounty and grace of the great spirit ..
treat and respect them well and
listen up to their wisdoms
apply the data you love
and see what happens
it is pure sorcery
love magic,,,of the gods of the god...
infinite
incarnate...
the g and ww
>You find it in the eyes of the sick, insane, homeless, and abused.
>There is no "hell" as defined by the bible for a warrior.
>
>
>M
>
>Hell is the regret that reaches so deep that carries beyond death. (?)
>
>
>
>
BJ
Marilyn wrote in message <6l45qg$ale$1...@newsd-141.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...
CG wrote:
>The road to hell is paved with heartfelt
>concern
Geezzz, such a positive attitude. Fraid I have to disagree with this
statement. Heartfelt concern may be a dead end road, but it is not one
of things that is on that road to hell. Anyway, hell is here on earth.
EE
Brandy Dominick wrote:
>
> Just practicing that old inner and outer silence thingy.
>
> But I keep an eye on all of you guys, so don't think I'm missing anything.
> OO
Eyes wide open, eh?
Wonder how many other 'regulars' are lurking? Is that a form of
voyeurism? Or more like watching a dumb TV talk show?
EE
(Hi Brandy, and everybody else lurking around out there. )
Coyote
EE <gr...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>Brandy Dominick wrote:
>>
>> Just practicing that old inner and outer silence thingy.
>>
>> But I keep an eye on all of you guys, so don't think I'm missing anything.
>> OO
>
>Eyes wide open, eh?
>
>Wonder how many other 'regulars' are lurking? Is that a form of
>voyeurism? Or more like watching a dumb TV talk show?
We're practising detachment.
>EE
>(Hi Brandy, and everybody else lurking around out there. )
Hi, ee
"Coyote"
Robotica
In article <199806051401...@ladder01.news.aol.com> rstar...@aol.com (RStark1957) writes:
>From: rstar...@aol.com (RStark1957)
>Subject: Re: For CG . . . blowing bubbles.
>Date: 5 Jun 1998 14:01:44 GMT
>Marilyn:
>"There is no 'hell' as defined by the bible for a warrior."
>Wildwings:
>"now i know you are not in the void,,,"
>Randy:
>"So, Vicky Luke . . . is this a good thing or a bad thing?"
>Rufus:
>"Aw Gosh there you go spoiling the mystery agin.
>Maw load up the buckshots imma goin flyin sorcerer huntin ttuday."
>Randy:
>Put on a heavy coat while yer at it, Ruf, it's snowin' up here.
>Dr. Faustus:
>"I rest my case."
>Randy:
>Well it's about time!
>It's about space,
>It's about time I
>smacked your face!
>( o )
>[Just kidding . . . there is a certain mystery to Vicky's ramblings and
>experiences that defies interest, I mean explanation. Read as not-doings of
>substance, her epistles can actually invoke inner silence if read all the way
>through several times.]
She reports accurately. I just choose different non-linear
previously unused symbols to ingest and purge the same waves.
Its quicker that way. If you coin the word, you own treasure.
I prefer not to think about such things at length.
Interferes with the digestion of more appetizing goodies like
fresh soup meat and fruits from the garden.
>Reporter:>"What do you think of Western civilization?"
>Gandhi:
>"It would be a very good idea."
I wonder what old baggy pants would think of india and pakistan testing
nukies. Then again theres a certain type of violence associated with
non-violence. :-)
Dishonest manipulation leading to energy compacting and subsequent
counter expansion in direct proportion to the duration and velocity of the
initial compression.
I swear I,m talking about ghandi and not V-Luke the magnificante
Helen
Coyote wrote:
>
> EE <gr...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> >Brandy Dominick wrote:
> >>
> >> Just practicing that old inner and outer silence thingy.
> >>
> >> But I keep an eye on all of you guys, so don't think I'm missing anything.
> >> OO
> >
> >Eyes wide open, eh?
> >
> >Wonder how many other 'regulars' are lurking? Is that a form of
> >voyeurism? Or more like watching a dumb TV talk show?
>
> We're practising detachment.
That's right, it's the zen of mouse clicking.
>EE
> >(Hi Brandy, and everybody else lurking around out there. )
>
> Hi, ee
>
> "Coyote"
EE, thank you for putting all those wonderful lurker's combo platters
on the menu. Hi,all. Btw, Brandy and the Lurkers is a great name for a
rock group.
Helen
EE
Brandy:
> > >> Just practicing that old inner and outer silence thingy.
> > >>
> > >> But I keep an eye on all of you guys, so don't think I'm missing anything.
> > >> OO
EE:
> > >Eyes wide open, eh?
> > >
> > >Wonder how many other 'regulars' are lurking? Is that a form of
> > >voyeurism? Or more like watching a dumb TV talk show?
Coyote:
> > We're practising detachment.
Helen:
> That's right, it's the zen of mouse clicking.
> >EE
> > >(Hi Brandy, and everybody else lurking around out there. )
> > Hi, ee
Hi, Coyote. Long time no see.
> EE, thank you for putting all those wonderful lurker's combo platters
> on the menu.
No problemo. The Coprophagia Cafe aims to please. Wouldn't want anyone
to go hungry.
> Hi,all. Btw, Brandy and the Lurkers is a great name for a
> rock group.
Yeah, they've already not-done a CD of Castaneda's Greatest Hits.
EE
Coyote
EE <gr...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>Coyote:
>> > We're practising detachment.
>
>Helen:
>> That's right, it's the zen of mouse clicking.
Click! (damn)
>Hi, Coyote. Long time no see.
Yeah, a week's a long time... <sniff>
>> Hi,all. Btw, Brandy and the Lurkers is a great name for a
>> rock group.
>
>Yeah, they've already not-done a CD of Castaneda's Greatest Hits.
In which case, Monica certainly won't get jealous.
"Coyote"
Helen
> >Coyote:
> >> > We're practising detachment.
> >
> >Helen:
> >> That's right, it's the zen of mouse clicking.
>
> Click! (damn)
it. (oops)
Helen
Bigfoot
In article gr...@sympatico.ca says...
>Wonder how many other 'regulars' are lurking? Is that a form of
>voyeurism? Or more like watching a dumb TV talk show?
I don't think there are nearly as many as a lot of us like to think.
I betcha that there isn't one luker for every poster.
I never lurk. It's not self-important enough.
-Bigfoot
(I'll lurk when I'm dead.)
EE
EE:
> >Wonder how many other 'regulars' are lurking? Is that a form of
> >voyeurism? Or more like watching a dumb TV talk show?
Bigfoot:
> I don't think there are nearly as many as a lot of us like to think.
You may be right. The invisible and the non-existent look very much
alike.
> I betcha that there isn't one luker for every poster.
Yeah, but there might be a lurker for every poster.
dP, Shantytown's former statistician, figured there were hundreds. Guess
we'll never know for sure.
> I never lurk. It's not self-important enough.
>
> -Bigfoot
> (I'll lurk when I'm dead.)
You can be Shantytown's Official Ghost.
EE
dan
EE wrote:
......
> No problemo. The Coprophagia Cafe aims to please. Wouldn't want anyone
> to go hungry.
>
> > Hi,all. Btw, Brandy and the Lurkers is a great name for a
> > rock group.
> Yeah, they've already not-done a CD of Castaneda's Greatest Hits.
>
> EE
May I please put in an application to be a roadie?
I promise to be good. And keep my mouth shut, and to leave the toilet
seat down (when I'm finished) on the bus... and I promise to wash my
hands too.
?
Helen
Bigfoot wrote:
> I never lurk. It's not self-important enough.
Hiding is so comfortable for those three thousand heads. Mine love
it.
> -Bigfoot
> (I'll lurk when I'm dead.)
Good words to live by.
Helen
dan
Robotica wrote:
.....
> >Gandhi:
> >"It would be a very good idea."
>
> I wonder what old baggy pants would think of india and pakistan testing
> nukies.
I don't know why this set me laughing the good laugh but it did,
Cap'n...
I know shore is approaching soon, and I have a 24 hour head start, and
you're a shifty one, but.....
I laugh a good laugh when I find something funny.
Joe
"old baggy pants"... :-) That's a classic, sir. Should've been
copywritten or whatever.
dan
EE wrote:
.....
> > (e, I do so like you so very much)
>
> And I like you too, Dan.
>
> You're a rare flower of manhood ... :-)
>
> EE
But I've shown only my weed side too often and this has been mistaken
for a flower.
:-(
Now, EE... you are a true flowering tall and bright true blossom of
goodness.
Marilyn
I think we have more lurkers than you think. For the people who don't
use emailable addresses here you aren't "bothered" with the email. Maybe
because I used to be so volatile and running rampant around here :) I
have gotten ALOT of email ever since joining ol' Shantytown. Most of it
hate mail with a few nice ones thrown in. I deleted most all of these
but I would estimate I have been emailed by at least 50 different
people, all responses to something written in ADC. People that have
never posted in ADC. And many of these were people reading Dejanews.
M
BJ
dan wrote in message <357CAF...@earthlink.net>...
>EE wrote:
>
>.....
>
>> > (e, I do so like you so very much)
>>
>> And I like you too, Dan.
>>
>> You're a rare flower of manhood ... :-)
>>
>> EE
>
>
>But I've shown only my weed side too often and this has been mistaken
>for a flower.
Perhaps your weed is a flower gone unrecognised.
h
dan & grumps have lots of cousins
dan
BJ wrote:
> Perhaps your weed is a flower gone unrecognised.
perhaps
dan
RStark1957 wrote:
>
> Marilyn:
> "There is no 'hell' as defined by the bible for a warrior."
>
> Wildwings:
> "now i know you are not in the void,,,"
>
>
rstark1957.... and you were saying what exactly about the so-called
inane posts of CG?
:-)
dan
I know I do... don't know for sure about Cap'n Sly and Fun.