and the bruises, always the bruises
ObsidianV
Common-cognizance is first funnelled, sieved,
and then chopped in two. It is no wonder that
people continually bump into walls.
Until the nature of the human side-show is seen,
conflict-and-pursuit, dominance-and-submission,
seem of actual importance. One can be "clever",
one can be "politically skilled", but when a certain
small thing is seen, one can no longer take any
of it seriously.
There is no "drama" among puppets -- only motion.
slider
ObsidianV wrote...
>Until the nature of the human side-show is seen,
>conflict-and-pursuit, dominance-and-submission,
>seem of actual importance. One can be "clever",
>one can be "politically skilled", but when a certain
>small thing is seen, one can no longer take any
>of it seriously.
### - it's already been seen and documented... oh, about 150 years
ago? - ie,
In an attic where i was locked up at the age of 12
I saw the world and illustrated the human comedy.
In a closet I learned my history.
At an evening fete in a northern town
I met all the women of the painters of the past.
In an old alley in Paris, I was taught the classic sciences.
In a great house encircled by the orient entire
I brought my life's work to completion
and I passed into illustrious retirement.
I have drunk my own blood.
My task has been lifted from me...
No longer must I even think of it,
For I am truely from beyond the pale
And have nothing whatsoever left to relate
(Arthur Rimbaud)
>There is no "drama" among puppets -- only motion.
### - precisely!:)
slider...
ObsidianV
>### - it's already been seen and documented... oh, about 150 years
>ago?
Yeah, and about 3 million years before that, too. (Some people
just seem unable to "settle down and give up".) The kicker being,
as always, that hearing about it, and maybe even believing-it, are
not the same as seeing it directly.
Talk about instant weight loss....you lose the ability to carry
a decent grudge, for one thing....something that some of these
Castaneda-debunkers could profit from if they ever learn to
distinguish the cargo from the vehicle.
obsidian
cr...@worldnet.att.net
Any way you view it, it's a load of shit.
Keep shoveling boy, you'll get to the bottom someday. :)
slider
cr...@worldnet.att.net wrote in message
<3819B2...@worldnet.att.net>...
### - heh:) - he just doesn't get it does he?:)
ObsidianV
>>Any way you view it, it's a load of shit.
Accurately speaking, of any symbolic construct, which
is all that mystical maps are, this is correct. But you can't
have a bias and say this in the way I mean....an outspoken
atheist is as much a player in the god-game as is a zealot.
There is the remote possibility, which I'll grant you, that
someone might play-the-role of outspoken atheist and fully
understand what s/he is doing. The important words being
r-e-m-o-t-e and f-u-l-l-y.
obsidian
ObsidianV
>Any way you view it, it's a load of shit.
Actually, if you could say that without a bias, you'd be
correct -- because it applies to any system of symbolic
constructs. But it would have to be without a bias. A strident
atheist is as much a player in the god-game as is a zealot.
>Keep shoveling boy, you'll get to the bottom someday.
<smile> The bottom is the same as the top!
If something about what your Uncle Charlie wrote
has delighted you, then you should keep that much,
and walk away from the rest. If nothing he did pleases
you any more, why the heck are you still tangled up
in it?
obsidian
ObsidianV
>Any way you view it, it's a load of shit.
Actually, if you could say that without a bias, you'd be
correct -- because it applies to any system of symbolic
constructs, which is all that mystical maps are. But it
would have to be without a bias. A strident atheist is as
much a player in the god-game as is a strident zealot.
There is the remote possibility, which I'll grant you, that
someone might play-the-role of strident atheist and fully
understand what s/he is doing. The important words being
r-e-m-o-t-e and f-u-l-l-y. :)
>Keep shoveling boy, you'll get to the bottom someday.
<smile> But the bottom is the same as the top!
obsidian
Carlitos Crow
ObsidianV wrote:
>
> crsds wrote:
>
> >Any way you view it, it's a load of shit.
>
> Actually, if you could say that without a bias, you'd be
> correct -- because it applies to any system of symbolic
> constructs. But it would have to be without a bias. A strident
> atheist is as much a player in the god-game as is a zealot.
>
> >Keep shoveling boy, you'll get to the bottom someday.
>
> <smile> The bottom is the same as the top!
No it isn't! <grin> Er... how do you know? What makes you say that?
>
> If something about what your Uncle Charlie wrote
> has delighted you, then you should keep that much,
> and walk away from the rest. If nothing he did pleases
> you any more, why the heck are you still tangled up
> in it?
He isn't. He's a block-head.
>
> obsidian
Do you miss me? <grin> I may start posting again...
Crow
Dan M
have Bernie and Natasha do it for you this time...
Carlitos Crow
Dan M wrote:
>
> > Do you miss me? <grin> I may start posting again...
>
> have Bernie and Natasha do it for you this time...
"Who"?
Don't know those folks, Dan.
How have you been lately? I've been ... gee, what have I been doing?
Keepin' the peace with my family, I guess. And I don't mean my
immediate family, either, but the one I came from... my siblings...
If it weren't for the kids, huh!
<smile>
Hope you're well! We might chat again sometime, once the mood is good
again, huh!
Crow
ObsidianV
>Do you miss me?
Yes! Get your butt back into the fray.
>>crsds wrote:
>> >Keep shoveling boy, you'll get to the bottom someday.
>>
>>obsidianV rejoined:
>> <smile> The bottom is the same as the top!
>
>>ccrow noted:
>No it isn't! <grin> Er... how do you know? What makes you say that?
Yes it is! <grin> I did change the subject on him a little bit though.
He's talking about Castaneda's heap o' verbal stuff, and I'm talking
about the world-wide heap o' verbal stuff. Are they different? Yes. Are
they different? No.
As far as "how" I know, I dunno, the endless shovelling with no results
finally penetrated this block-head I guess. Kept waiting for some "news"
to arrive, then discovered that I am a walking relay station.
> I may start posting again...
Good!
Obsidian
ObsidianV
>Do you miss me?
Yes! I figured that you had migrated to alt.inner.circle,
which AOL won't let me get to, dag nab it. I can only imagine
what goes on in there, and meanwhile shiver in this wasteland.
>>crsds wrote:
>> >Keep shoveling boy, you'll get to the bottom someday.
>
>ObsidianV rejoined:
>> <smile> The bottom is the same as the top!
>
>CCrow noted:
>No it isn't! <grin>
Bedrock! The breaker of many a shovel.
But I think he was encouraging me to dig deeper into a compost
pile -- surface flotsam....all the same heap of manure, from one angle.
At least the fresh stuff is fresh. Which is another reason you should
get your butt back in here and start posting again.
obsidian "ash handle and steel shank" V
ObsidianV
>Do you miss me?
Yes -- I figured you had migrated to alt.inner.circle, which
AOL won't let me get into, dag nab it. I can only imagine what
is going on in there, and meanwhile shiver in this wasteland.
crsds:
>> >Keep shoveling boy, you'll get to the bottom someday.
obs:
>> <smile> The bottom is the same as the top!
crow:
>No it isn't! <grin>
Bedrock! The breaker of many a self-reflective shovel.
But I think he was encouraging me to dig deeper into
a compost heap. At least the fresh stuff is fresh, which is
another reason I think you should get your shiny feathers
back in here and start cawing again.
obsidian "ash handle and sturdy steel shank" V
ObsidianV
>Do you miss me?
Yes -- I figured you had migrated to alt.inner.circle, which
AOL won't let me get into, dag nab it. I can only imagine what
is going on in there, it must be frightening.
crsds:
>> >Keep shoveling boy, you'll get to the bottom someday.
obs:
>> <smile> The bottom is the same as the top!
crow:
>No it isn't! <grin>
I was referring only to the heap o' words into which he was
encouraging me to dig....in my view, even maps drawn with the most
impeccable intention -- to point to something inexpressable -- are all
the same, in the sense that all they can do is go, "Hey see if you
can find something that looks like what you think these words mean."
But that's no criticism -- that's their function, and the best ones are
works of beauty. Hooray for maps!
This is the end of my essay on shovels.
Obsidian
F
Mrs. Obsidian please see me Friday at the
open house regarding your sons grades.
ObsidianV
Howdy Crow,
AOL keeps crashing tonight so if this post turns up more
than once in several versions it ain't for lack of trying.
>Do you miss me?
Poignantly. I figured you had migrated to alt.inner.circle,
which AOL won't let me get into, dag nab it. I can only imagine
what is going on in there, it must be frightening.
crsds:
>> >Keep shoveling boy, you'll get to the bottom someday.
obs:
>> <smile> The bottom is the same as the top!
crow:
>No it isn't! <grin>
I was referring only to the heap o' words into which he was
encouraging me to dig, unless I misunderstood him. In my view,
even maps drawn with the most impeccable intention -- to point
to something inexpressable -- are all the same, in the sense that
all they can do is go, "Hey see if you can find something that looks
like what you think these words mean."
But that's no criticism -- that's their function, and the best ones are
works of beauty. Hooray for maps!
>What makes you say that?
Indeed!
Obsidian
Carlitos Crow
ObsidianV wrote:
>
> Howdy Crow!
Hi Obsid ash handle! (Gotta love those!)
>
> >Do you miss me?
>
> Yes! I figured that you had migrated to alt.inner.circle,
> which AOL won't let me get to, dag nab it. I can only imagine
> what goes on in there, and meanwhile shiver in this wasteland.
Nah, I've been there, and really, you aren't missing much, if anything.
There are a number of ADCers over there now, making jokes about WWings
being the last (intelligent) woman left in ADC... Fine by me. The Inner
Circle's a hen party, I guess... no crows there, unless I start
cackling.
>
> >>crsds wrote:
> >> >Keep shoveling boy, you'll get to the bottom someday.
> >
> >ObsidianV rejoined:
> >> <smile> The bottom is the same as the top!
> >
> >CCrow noted:
> >No it isn't! <grin>
>
> Bedrock! The breaker of many a shovel.
Actually, it's the way one turns the pile which breaks the shovel, isn't
it? Gotta take small bites; and don't pry. use a crowbar for that! <grin>
>
> But I think he was encouraging me to dig deeper into a compost
> pile -- surface flotsam....all the same heap of manure, from one angle.
Gold was just another rock once upon a time, too, huh!
> At least the fresh stuff is fresh.
I haven't been reading much of anything here lately... unless you wrote
it. <smile> You gonna suggest I read a thread I haven't read which my
comments might benefit in some way?
> Which is another reason you should
> get your butt back in here and start posting again.
I'd best begin a fresh thread myself. But what is the topic of the day?
Death has been worried to death in here. How about love? That's
always a good one, except that it seems to deteriorate into rude
commentaries about sexuality. I like a decent arguement, but I sure
don't intend to get down and dirty like some folks would have me do, and
have done here already.
We already know the outcome of that, if one can really even call it an
"outcome"! Yuck! <grin>
I've only been away from ADC due to my father's decision to undergo
open-heart surgery (He went into hospital on October 18th) and the wave
of emotional turmoil which it precipitated within the family, including
sudden visits from my sisters, both of whom live on the Eastern side of
the continent. I had the good fortune of getting to spend some time
with my adorable nieces from New York... Although they didn't want to
ever leave this house of Crow, and my sister was naturally very upset.
They've returned to their day-to-day lives once again, although my
sister is sending me email which keeps me responding, in hopes that
she'll understand someday just how much I truly care...
Family life... There's another area of discussion for us warrior-types,
if anyone could stomach such a topic. I enjoy my life, which has
precious little to do with my upbringing or with my family today,
although they are of course a big part of it simultaneously... The
contrariness, oh, the contrariness!
>
> obsidian "ash handle and steel shank" V
Shall we proceed? "Who's on first?"
Carlitos Crow
Carlitos Crow
ObsidianV wrote:
>
> Howdy Crow,
>
> AOL keeps crashing tonight so if this post turns up more
> than once in several versions it ain't for lack of trying.
No shit! I noticed several of these posts of yours, but they all seem a
bit different... You changed the title... perhaps thinking I might not
respond to the lispy one? I don't mind... I suspect it was Dan who
wrote that title, no?
>
> >Do you miss me?
>
> Poignantly.
I still haven't read anything else here. Perhaps I don't feel it'll do
anything but scatter my good energy, which is, of course, delicate, and
tenuous during (so-called) "stressful" times. Funny, when you think
about it, really. I mean, isn't energy what we all enjoy? How can
energy be bad? I think it's all good, but it's precisely this attitude
which draws the so-called "bad" energies out of the woodwork.
So, my younger sister Angela visited me from New York... she doesn't
live in the city proper, but in a small suburb, where one must have a
car to get to the grocery store, or to the "job". (I'm sure glad I
don't have one of those, myself.)
The plan we'd agreed upon over the phone was that she'd stay at my
father's house (in Victory) where she could nurse him after he returned
from the hospital after surgery, and I would have her children stay here
(in Smoke) with my family. This idea delighted me; I was eager to see
them all, and share all the fine things I have to share. I picked them
up at the airport, and brought them home the first night they arrived.
I'd never met my youngest niece. She is six years old, but she is
scarcely up to my knees in height! And my, she's my heart's delight!
Never, ever in my life was I ever so charmed, so full of joy, upon
meeting anyone! We hit it off as magically as ever; truly a
relationship made in heaven!
As soon as we'd arrived at "the house of Crow" <grin>, Angela, (who'd
completed her nursing degree about a year ago), immediately determined
that little Allie was critically ill in some unfathomable way, and
wanted me to turn right around without even resting a bit, or eating the
dinner I'd prepared, and drive both her and her kids to the hospital in
Victoria. I tried to be understanding as I could, but pointed out that
they'd just taken a long and stressful flight, and that if they settled
down and ate some dinner, they'd all be just fine (in my opinion), and
that if there was still any signs of "illness" in the morning, I'd
gladly drive them to the hospital if she felt it necessary.
Angela wasn't to be swayed so easily from her feelings of responsibility
for her child, and so she immediately telephoned a doctor in New York,
and had him wire a prescription for some antibiotic to the local
pharmacy here in Smoke! At least I'd prevented a completely unfounded
and depressing trip to the hospital. I knew that trip; hadn't I just
spent enough time there already, hoping I might "be there" for my dad?
I could certainly see that Angela wasn't in any state to be "nursing" anybody.
"Oh boy, here we go.." I thought, and then, focused on the needs of the
children, and stayed clear of Angela's concerns, for the most part.
Well, you've gotta know Angela. You cannot ignore her; it isn't
possible, nor does attempting to do so produce anything but trouble of
the most explosive confrontational sort.
So, she went off and got the prescription. The children ate very
little... barely a mouthful. It wasn't really surprising, but indeed
sickening to see Angela leaning over the little one, actually shouting
at her, threatening that she'd be violently sick from the medication, if
she didn't eat her food... the bowl of chili I'd made... nothing wrong
with it... But the poor child could not possibly eat anything under such
a frightful barrage, and I wept bitterly in my heart, to see such a
cruel display of motherhood.
Shall I go on? Need I?
I must. And I will. Thank you, all you unknown friends here in
Shantytown, for listening to my heart. I am well, and free, just as
I'll always be. And so is my dad, and little Allie.
(Hey, Dan, this one's for you, too! <smile>)
> I was referring only to the heap o' words into which he was
> encouraging me to dig, unless I misunderstood him. In my view,
> even maps drawn with the most impeccable intention -- to point
> to something inexpressable -- are all the same, in the sense that
> all they can do is go, "Hey see if you can find something that looks
> like what you think these words mean."
>
> But that's no criticism -- that's their function, and the best ones are
> works of beauty. Hooray for maps!
>
> >What makes you say that?
>
> Indeed!
This is a fantastic spychological drama, don't you think? <winky wink!>
>
> Obsidian
The Crowiest of Crows, Carlitos Peter Piper... and what-not.
ObsidianV
by a demon, or maybe a lawyer. Well at least the gist got through
to you my friend and that was the hope.
Crow wrote:
>You changed the title... perhaps thinking I might not
>respond to the lispy one?
I didn't even consider the lisp aspect....I was so bored with trying
to rewrite the things that I started changing the titles at random.
At that point I was hearing it in the voice of Daffy Duck. At least
I found out the proper way to spell buses after all these years,
so once again things have worked out fortuitousously.
>Funny, when you think
>about it, really. I mean, isn't energy what we all enjoy? How can
>energy be bad? I think it's all good, but it's precisely this attitude
>which draws the so-called "bad" energies out of the woodwork.
Sometimes I picture it that "tangled up" or complicated energy
is drawn to more directly-flowing energy out of a sort of envy
or "longing"....other times I picture energy interactions as a
flow from a heat source to a relatively cooler heat sink, which
puts a drain on the source....not bad or good but just simple
mechanics. Yeah yeah, yak yak. None of this satisfies my
curiousity, because energy is as you say, all good -- so where
do "I" get off making any distinctions. But it's still fascinating
to ponder.
Well, more fascinating than replaying some fragment of conversation
that happened three years ago, and in which my character (the hero
of course) gets to follow an improved script. <snortle>
>But the poor child could not possibly eat anything under such
>a frightful barrage, and I wept bitterly in my heart, to see such a
>cruel display of motherhood.
I can understand your story of the events from experience.
If people could only remember what it was like to be small,
to be first confronted with "adult" fear, drama and confusion.
It's lucky for Allie that she has an Uncle Crow, and may all
kids everywhere have such an uncle or aunt.
>This is a fantastic spychological drama, don't you think? <winky wink!>
lol We're gonna have to have to have a beer in person
sometime. I sense that the proceedings would be unruly.
>Shall we proceed? "Who's on first?"
Yeah...
Somebody should write a book about the joys of playing
shortstop for all teams while retaining loyalties to none.
Yes I am sure that would sell like candied pickles. Well
I think you should start a thread on "intent". People were
posting about it awhile back and I personally enjoyed the
different views. Just an idea, a flash in the ole brain pan.
And now, an poem:
suddenly hungry,
about to fall over
that's when I know
this talking's over!
Come back to us when you're up to it, and meanwhile conserve
with abandon. I'm glad your dad's ok.
Lord Buford, the discount viscount
Arreau-Hedde-on-Rye
GreenDusk
>Sometimes I picture it that "tangled up" or complicated energy
>is drawn to more directly-flowing energy out of a sort of envy
>or "longing"....other times I picture energy interactions as a
>flow from a heat source to a relatively cooler heat sink, which
>puts a drain on the source....not bad or good but just simple
>mechanics.
What a load of hooey. Science fiction.
You must be hanging out in bookstores too much.
gd
ObsidianV
>What a load of hooey. Science fiction.
You got me there. I concede, in advance.
>You must be hanging out in bookstores too much.
I used to, a lot. It had a certain crippling effect
which lingers on but has thankfully mutated into
something entertaining. To moi, of course.
obsidian
Carlitos Crow
And to this crow in the no no, naturally!
Shall I send the bill yet?
>
> obsidian
The gold ring is very thin... You may not see it once you're in...
The only friend in town, Carlitos Crow
Dan
>
> "Who"?
figgered they were a couple more of the young'uns inyerhead and hanging
around and over your shoulder.
> Don't know those folks, Dan.
No shit, sherlock, they don't exist.
> How have you been lately?
Actually extremely mean. I just got blistered and battered this past
Saturday evening in a real honest to goodness brawl.. But I'm dealing
with it. But it kind of leaves me feeling wounded and mean, ya know,
huh!
:-)
> I've been ... gee, what have I been doing?
> Keepin' the peace with my family, I guess. And I don't mean my
> immediate family, either, but the one I came from... my siblings...
I came from my parents, rest their souls, damned though they were.
> If it weren't for the kids, huh!
that's right...if it weren't for the kids, I'd be enjoying a sunset in
the some south sea island now. But on the other hand, I wouldn't be
forced to be a better father than my own was. Some trade off, eh?
> <smile>
so just what did you do that pissed off the great Danielle and the good
Chris and the pretty much cool Randy?
> Hope you're well!
I'm tough as can be. If I die young, it's only going to because I'm
going to insert myself squarely into some crazy thing like a oh so
modernly typical 'let's now enter our workplace/school and shoot the
goddamn place up' sort of thing, and I might catch a bullet. But I
guarantee the price of them for doing such a thing will be great for
them and I will gleefully twist their fucking heads to shreds.
Of course there's always the random plane crash or car accident.
Or....
I could slip on a bar of soap and smash my brains in while in the
shower. Pretty much anything, there Crow, ya know? Nahhh you don't
know...
> We might chat again sometime, once the mood is good
> again, huh!
yeah huh!, it's a great mood now, fuck you!, you creep! :-)
Rainbowbird
RBB
flyin...@my-deja.com
Why do you birds (Rainbow and Crow) fight like this?
Flying Crow
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
Dan
> being the last (intelligent) woman left in ADC... Fine by me.
That would be fine by you. The poor sweet lady is in a morass of
trouble yet she tries in her tortured way; she's still getting by
somehow, by participating in her way; which is to communcicate in her
own choosing on the internet. and you piss on her... you happy go lucky
crow. What a guy, Peter. What a guy you are.
Come to think of it, Chris, you outta kick yourself in the head too for
whacking on that lady. Like she ever did anything to ever really shit
on you.
As if Vickie ever really ever did anything ever to really ever be a
menace.
I would gladly share her bed... though I ain't promising more than that.
Shame on you.... really truly shame on you both.
And having said that, come on down to the scurvy lowrent part of
Shantytown and have a real deep glass of rotgut and tell the bartender
all your troubles.
God-damn good, I only own the Saloon and don't bartend there any longer.
Chris, you are a good man ... Peter, you had better get on your knees
and ask for help. You really need it.
:-)
> Shall we proceed? "Who's on first?"
>
> Carlitos Crow
Cat
flyin...@my-deja.com wrote:
> What actually happened?
>
> Why do you birds (Rainbow and Crow) fight like this?
>
> Flying Crow
>
Another Crow I think I remember once possibly...if so...hi there FC, how
ya been? ;D
These two birds don't usually fight but Crowster gets on a bender
sometimes and goes after some folks for reasons known only to himself.
I am sure that our lady RBB is only defending her territory with talon
and beak.
Now one big old Cat, coming down from the high mountains sees the birds
battling with feathers flying and she watches as the predator she can
be...tail swishing and eyes unblinking.
Then she's gone~
Cat
Carlitos Crow
flyin...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> What actually happened?
If I tell you, I'd be breaching whatever is left of a flimsy friendship.
It seems silly not to say what happened... It was such a trivial thing
(in my opinion), an act of mine, of course, so I'm bound to "down-play"
it, aren't I? I simply posted something which offended a close friend
of Rainbowbird's, and gave her some "reason" or "excuse" to go ballistic.
I've tried to be friendly towards RBB, but she's been upset numerous
times by my postings, and seems to want to lash out at me whenever she
figures she'll garner the support of a few others.
she's got it now, and this is all she can do with that support. So far
as I am concerned, with friends like RBB, who needs enemies? In other
words, it would be silly of me to think I could ever be friends with
such a twisted up old witch.
I could care less for what she feels at this point, and I shall proceed
accordingly, meaning I'll leave her be. I pick at posts all the time,
for that is one sure way to get into a discussion with someone, and
share a bit with them, if they really wish to do that themselves. But
RBB only tries to deride and mock my peculiar take on things, and is not
a worthy correspondent. Oh well, I guess this says plenty enough.
>
> Why do you birds (Rainbow and Crow) fight like this?
>
> Flying Crow
Warriors fight, so that might explain some of it. But I'm not fighting
with Rainbowbird. What for?
Carlitos Crow
Dan
> I've tried to be friendly towards RBB, but she's been upset numerous
> times by my postings, and seems to want to lash out at me whenever she
> figures she'll garner the support of a few others.
Fake man peter boy you are. She nailed you, she got you dead on.
Rainbow Daniela is the sweetest of all.
You just don't get it.
Except in the end of course you do.
:-)
Rainbowbird
Shaking your rattling bones again?
Playing another innocent Crow song?
Your rhythm sucks, so does your voice.
Soon your bones will make some pretty dices.
If the right number comes up, you will loose
it anyway.
Liars always loose in the end.
RBB
Rainbowbird
> What actually happened?
>
> Why do you birds (Rainbow and Crow) fight like this?
>
> Flying Crow
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
This post is a troll.
It is Crow giving himself a question so that he has an excuse to answer
himself.
RBB
chris rodgers
Liars always lose in the end.
Something like "no debt goes unpaid in the Universe"?
I imagaine "shifty" is up there now shining Hitler's boots. :)
Carlitos Crow
Another spiteful post which belongs elsewhere... So I've Crowss-posted
it. That was my intent.
Rainbowbird wrote:
>
> High, dead man.
> Shaking your rattling bones again?
> Playing another innocent Crow song?
Not today.
> Your rhythm sucks, so does your voice.
> Soon your bones will make some pretty dices.
> If the right number comes up, you will loose
> it anyway.
> Liars always loose in the end.
No end to lies, silly. It's the truth that gets you!
>
> RBB
Crow
Carlitos Crow
vitriol, I will CROWSS POST IT...
To the hen party, where it all began..
This stuff doesn't belong in "fair Shantytown"... So keep it up, Bird!
Like I said before, with friends like you...
Rainbowbird wrote:
>
> High, dead man.
> Shaking your rattling bones again?
> Playing another innocent Crow song?
> Your rhythm sucks, so does your voice.
> Soon your bones will make some pretty dices.
> If the right number comes up, you will loose
> it anyway.
> Liars always loose in the end.
>
> RBB
Carlitos Crow
Rainbowbird wrote:
>
> flyin...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> > What actually happened?
> >
> > Why do you birds (Rainbow and Crow) fight like this?
> >
> > Flying Crow
> >
> > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > Before you buy.
>
> This post is a troll.
I'd have to agree with you there.
> It is Crow giving himself a question so that he has an excuse to answer
> himself.
No, it isn't. But if that's the way you see.... Well, it says it all, huh!
>
> RBB
doorknob.
Carlitos Crow
chris rodgers wrote:
> Liars always lose in the end.
> Something like "no debt goes unpaid in the Universe"?
> I imagaine "shifty" is up there now shining Hitler's boots. :)
So what's Hitler doin'...."up there"?
Nut.
Crow
H
> a twisted up old witch.
More mysogynistic bullshit!!! You don't like women very much,do you?
See,Carlitos,this is what happens when you include other people in your
shots; people you don't know,people who had no quarrel with you.
Shooting at women just makes you look weak.
As for your friendships,you have to be a friend to have friends. Lots
of positive things have been said to you here,even though the delivery
was sometimes brutal.
H
> Carlitos Crow
chris rodgers
Carlitos Crow wrote:
> chris rodgers wrote:
Ah-ha, I got your attention with that one huh?
Everybody makes it Crow boy, everybody goes.
There's no special option for sorcerers, witches, charlatans, etc.
Maybe when you go "shifty" will let you shoot pool with him. :)
Carlitos Crow
H wrote:
Now what? H? Is that short for Hermione? Hattie? Hennrietta?
Only women get obsessed like this. So what's in a name?
You definitely aren't our beloved h! <squoink!>
(Hi h! What do you think? Better not say... RBB will get all snippy
again!)
>
> Carlitos Crow wrote:
>
> > a twisted up old witch.
>
> More mysogynistic bullshit!!!
Gee! Don't know that one!
> You don't like women very much,do you?
I like what's likeable, how's that?
> See,Carlitos,this is what happens when you include other people in your
> shots
Witch other people do you mean?
; people you don't know,people who had no quarrel with you.
I haven't any quarrel with anyone here, H. You're mistaken; it's all in
yer head!
> Shooting at women just makes you look weak.
I have a soft spot for kind women. It isn't a crime, it's a soft spot.
Call me weak. It makes me strong to say what I feel.
>
> As for your friendships,you have to be a friend to have friends.
Sure! Are you tryin' to be one?
Lots
> of positive things have been said to you here
Find me one.
> even though the delivery
> was sometimes brutal.
Yeah? Gee! When? I'm fine! Nobody bashing me here!
>
> H
>
Carlitos Crow
Carlitos Crow
chris rodgers wrote:
>
> Carlitos Crow wrote:
>
> > chris rodgers wrote:
>
> > > Liars always lose in the end.
> > > Something like "no debt goes unpaid in the Universe"?
> > > I imagaine "shifty" is up there now shining Hitler's boots. :)
>
> > So what's Hitler doin'...."up there"?
>
> Ah-ha, I got your attention with that one huh?
you get my attention every time you post, pretty much, Chris!
> Everybody makes it Crow boy, everybody goes.
Some go up, and some go down. To each their own, huh!
> There's no special option for sorcerers, witches, charlatans, etc.
> Maybe when you go "shifty" will let you shoot pool with him. :)
I don't shoot pool. I play tunes, and draw cartoons.
I'm workin' on my Shantytown cartoon again...
Carlitos Crow
Carlitos Crow
Rainbowbird wrote:
>
> Carlitos Crow wrote:
>
> > Another spiteful post which belongs elsewhere... So I've Crowss-posted
> > it. That was my intent.
[]
>
> The intent of a 3 year old.
> RBB
Awwwww! That's sooo souueeeeet!
Did you hear that, ___? (How could one not? <snick>)
Maybe I should post a poor-baby story?
Eh?
I haven't got one!
I was always such a sunny baby! <smile>
Why grow up? I take full responsibility for my (possibly impaired) development.
Do you want to have a baby, Rainbowbird? Is that it?
Crow (kootchie kootchie koo koo!)
P.s: I noticed your post was cross-posted too, RBB, but I figured it was
one of your typical lapses of attention, and I kept this shit here where
it belongs. this is ADC shit now.... er... isn't it?
H
>
> H wrote:
>
> Now what? H? Is that short for Hermione? Hattie? Hennrietta?
Yes.
> Only women get obsessed like this. So what's in a name?
An "a",an "e", an "n" and an "m". It doesn't really matter,does it?
>
> You definitely aren't our beloved h! <squoink!>
Boy,already making value judgments,huh,Carlitos?
> > Carlitos Crow wrote:
> >
> > > a twisted up old witch.
>
> >
> > More mysogynistic bullshit!!!
>
> Gee! Don't know that one!
>
> > You don't like women very much,do you?
>
> I like what's likeable, how's that?
So do I. I'm not actually flaming you,you know. At times you've posted
things in here that bothered me and I decided to let you know that.
> > See,Carlitos,this is what happens when you include other people in
your
> > shots
>
> Witch other people do you mean?
I have felt at times affected by the things that you've said in
here.Btw,I'm not a witch. Wrong first letter.
> ; people you don't know,people who had no quarrel with you.
>
> I haven't any quarrel with anyone here, H.
You don't have a quarrel with me either. However, you might consider
what and who your targets are with more precision.
You're mistaken; it's all in
> yer head!
It's possible that I'm mistaken,but I've read your posts and given you
an honest reaction. And yes,it's in my head and in yours too.
> > Shooting at women just makes you look weak.
>
> I have a soft spot for kind women.
Well,you're saying that if,in your opinion a woman isn't kind,then
it's okay to treat her badly.
> It isn't a crime,
A little defensive? That's understandable.
it's a soft spot.
> Call me weak.
Ok if that's what you want.
It makes me strong to say what I feel.
Nothing wrong with that.
> > As for your friendships,you have to be a friend to have friends.
>
> Sure! Are you tryin' to be one?
Speaking for myself,it isn't entirely out of the question. I like
loyal,honest people as friends. It seems like you've shot a lot of
yours,though.
> Lots
> > of positive things have been said to you here
>
> Find me one.
You were told that you are dazzlingly,radiantly alive; you were told
that smoking a lot of dope isn't good for you; you were told to embrace
the real world. You were told that your niece was lucky to have an uncle
who cared about her; you were given positive suggestions about your
work;you were shown by the reactions of your friends that they cared
about you. Those are just a few that come to mind.
> > even though the delivery
> > was sometimes brutal.
>
> Yeah? Gee! When? I'm fine! Nobody bashing me here!
Oh,you're a tough guy.
> >
> > H
> >
> Carlitos Crow
Rainbowbird
> I think if you are going to insist on poluting Shantytown with your
> vitriol, I will CROWSS POST IT...
>
> To the hen party, where it all began..
>
> This stuff doesn't belong in "fair Shantytown"... So keep it up, Bird!
> Like I said before, with friends like you...
>
So you cross-posted it dead man.
Now what?
It is all the same bones rattling.
RBB
Rainbowbird
> Another spiteful post which belongs elsewhere... So I've Crowss-posted
> it. That was my intent.
>
> Rainbowbird wrote:
> >
> > High, dead man.
> > Shaking your rattling bones again?
> > Playing another innocent Crow song?
>
> Not today.
>
> > Your rhythm sucks, so does your voice.
> > Soon your bones will make some pretty dices.
> > If the right number comes up, you will loose
> > it anyway.
> > Liars always loose in the end.
>
> No end to lies, silly. It's the truth that gets you!
> >
> > RBB
> Crow
The intent of a 3 year old.
RBB
Rainbowbird
Sucking up to a troll ?
Even worse.
RBB
Rainbowbird
RBB
Carlitos Crow
Rainbowbird wrote:
>
> Carlitos Crow wrote:
>
> > Hey, this is flocking silly!
> >
> > Rainbowbird wrote:
> > >
> > > flyin...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > What actually happened?
> > > >
> > > > Why do you birds (Rainbow and Crow) fight like this?
> > > >
> > > > Flying Crow
> > > >
RBB:
> > > This post is a troll.
Crow:
> > I'd have to agree with you there.
RBB:
> > > It is Crow giving himself a question so that he has an excuse to answer
> > > himself.
Crow:
> > No, it isn't. But if that's the way you see.... Well, it says it all, huh!
> > >
> > > RBB
> >
> > doorknob.
>
> Sucking up to a troll ?
With a doorknob? Er... wouldn't a nice bunch of Camilias be more appropriate?
> Even worse.
I happen to like trolls! Always have... And Camilias... Well, who
wouldn't like those? Would you prefer a dafodil?
> RBB
Still love, Crow
Rainbowbird
RBB
Rainbowbird
No it was my intent.
RBB
Carlitos Crow
Rainbowbird wrote:
>
> Go home and have a soft spot for your own woman.
> RBB
I don't "have" my "own" woman, Rainbowbird.
Crow
Carlitos Crow
Rainbowbird wrote:
>
> Carlitos Crow wrote the usual.
>
> No it was my intent.
So what happened then? The guy was impotent?
Sounds like you got screwed somehow...
> RBB
Crow
Carlitos Crow
Rainbowbird wrote:
>
> Stoned again?
> RBB
Gee!
No, but it's not a half-bad idea, actually!
Crow
Dan
> himself.
>
You're so perceptive and so very very smart... fine job, dear lady!
Dan
> Now what?
> It is all the same bones rattling.
> RBB
You're kicking his ass from here to tomorrow but you have to understand
it doesn't bother him; he bathes in it. But you already know that.
Carlitos Crow
H wrote:
>
> Carlitos Crow wrote:
> >
> > H wrote:
> >
> > Now what? H? Is that short for Hermione? Hattie? Hennrietta?
>
> Yes.
>
> > Only women get obsessed like this. So what's in a name?
>
> An "a",an "e", an "n" and an "m". It doesn't really matter,does it?
Well, it depends. if it really didn't matter, then why are you gettin'
all personal with me here, big Her?
> >
> > You definitely aren't our beloved h! <squoink!>
>
> Boy,already making value judgments,huh,Carlitos?
Sure! They have value! a judgement might be made without the slam of a
gavel, you know. I'm an artist. I make judgements continually in my
work.
>
> > > Carlitos Crow wrote:
> > >
> > > > a twisted up old witch.
> >
> > >
> > > More mysogynistic bullshit!!!
> >
> > Gee! Don't know that one!
> >
> > > You don't like women very much,do you?
> >
> > I like what's likeable, how's that?
>
> So do I. I'm not actually flaming you,you know.
Gee! I didn't think you were! Still, I suppose there are some here
who might have thought that!
At times you've posted
> things in here that bothered me and I decided to let you know that.
Why? You like arguing? Or are you just here to tell me to mind my peas
and stuff?
How come you don't come tell me when I've said something you actually
liked or enjoyed? Wouldn't that be the positive approach?
>
>
> > > See,Carlitos,this is what happens when you include other people in
> your
> > > shots
> >
> > Witch other people do you mean?
>
> I have felt at times affected by the things that you've said in
> here.
Nice to know I've affected you! That must be a good thing, no? Don't
you enjoy bein' affected?
Btw,I'm not a witch. Wrong first letter.
Sorry, it must be a glitch.
>
> > ; people you don't know,people who had no quarrel with you.
> >
> > I haven't any quarrel with anyone here, H.
>
> You don't have a quarrel with me either.
Should we have one? You could easily start one, I have no doubt about that!
However, you might consider
> what and who your targets are with more precision.
I haven't any targets. I'm the target, sweetie!
>
> You're mistaken; it's all in
> > yer head!
>
> It's possible that I'm mistaken,but I've read your posts and given you
> an honest reaction.
That's very kind of you, I'm sure. But it doesn't say all that much I'm
afraid... But then, who ever does around here?
And yes,it's in my head and in yours too.
Don't be too sure... pretty windy in there...
>
> > > Shooting at women just makes you look weak.
> >
> > I have a soft spot for kind women.
>
> Well,you're saying that if,in your opinion a woman isn't kind,then
> it's okay to treat her badly.
No, I didn't say that. But I'm certainly not a nurse. Who have I
treated badly here? I haven't mistreated anyone.
>
> > It isn't a crime,
>
> A little defensive? That's understandable.
Defensive? For whatever kindness I might have toward a kind woman? No,
that's not necessary.
>
> it's a soft spot.
> > Call me weak.
>
> Ok if that's what you want.
You called me weak already. I was only reiterating. Telling you that
you can call me whatever suits your fancy. Have a hey-day doin' that,
everyone else around here does. Do you think it hurts me to be the
Shantytown freak?
>
> It makes me strong to say what I feel.
>
> Nothing wrong with that.
No one said there was...
>
> > > As for your friendships,you have to be a friend to have friends.
> >
> > Sure! Are you tryin' to be one?
>
> Speaking for myself,it isn't entirely out of the question.
Well, that's nice! What does it cost? I haven't got much...
I like
> loyal,honest people as friends.
So I guess your friends all agree with you, is that it? What makes them
loyal? It sounds like cerfs in a kingdom to me. You keep your friends,
I don't need any of those. What for? What good are anyone's friends
doing anyone around here? Ganging together like vultures over some
outspoken poster? Enjoyin' the post-mortems together?
I think I'll go search for some road-kill...
It seems like you've shot a lot of
> yours,though.
I don't have a gun; I'm not a violent person, just picky, and
out-spoken, which are hallmarks of my hard-earned freedom. I know
what's worth having, and I am very glad to be able to tell you that I
have it.
> > Lots
> > > of positive things have been said to you here
But not by you...
> >
> > Find me one.
>
> You were told that you are dazzlingly,radiantly alive;
I missed that. I must have died by then.
you were told
> that smoking a lot of dope isn't good for you;
Well, it is. Whoever said that is a fool. Like soooo many doktors are...
Medicinal marijuana is on its way...
> you were told to embrace
> the real world.
How positive! LOL That's the typically sick sort of thing a guidance
counsellor tells a fifteen-year-old.
There IS NO "REAL WORLD".
Oh well. Carry on.
You were told that your niece was lucky to have an uncle
> who cared about her; you were given positive suggestions about your
> work;you were shown by the reactions of your friends that they cared
> about you. Those are just a few that come to mind.
>
> > > even though the delivery
> > > was sometimes brutal.
> >
> > Yeah? Gee! When? I'm fine! Nobody bashing me here!
>
> Oh,you're a tough guy.
I'm a dead guy, that's why. So are you really a soft-hearted, practical
sort, or just another Amazonian tyrant?
>
> > >
> > > H
> > >
Carlitos Crow
H
>
> Hi there big Her! <smile>
Hello Carlitos,sorry I didn't answer this yesterday,but I don't have
much time to post. So this is a partial,I'll try to get to the rest
later.
> > > You definitely aren't our beloved h! <squoink!>
I've always enjoyed henry's posts. Very sweet and full of insight.
> I'm an artist. I make judgements continually in my
> work.
You posted a painting here once,didn't you? I liked that,reminded me
of some of van Gogh's stuff with a touch of David Hockney. But I'm an
uneducated bumpkin;don't know too much about the arts,really.
> At times you've posted
> > things in here that bothered me and I decided to let you know that.
>
> Why? You like arguing?
At times.
> Or are you just here to tell me to mind my peas
> and stuff?
Only your q's;do you mind?
> How come you don't come tell me when I've said something you actually
> liked or enjoyed?
If you feel that what you write has value,isn't that enough for you?
> Wouldn't that be the positive approach?
Not always; sometimes it's positive to show the negative.
> > > Lots
> > > > of positive things have been said to you here
>
> But not by you...
That's a little mean-spirited,Carlitos. Telling you that was in itself
positive.
> > I have felt at times affected by the things that you've said in
> > here.
>
> Nice to know I've affected you! That must be a good thing, no? Don't
> you enjoy bein' affected?
Oh,I'm very responsive,Carlitos. I like to feel,to be alive. It always
seems strange and sad to me when you say that you're dead. But I don't
believe that you're dead,I think that you are very much mistaken about
that. So,in what way do you feel you are dead? Is your spirit dead? Is
your ego dead? Is your body dead? Are your feelings dead? This is
something that I really don't understand.
> > you were told to embrace
> > the real world.
>
> How positive!
Tell me what positive means to you.
> LOL That's the typically sick sort of thing a guidance
You think that it is a platitude; I do not.
> There IS NO "REAL WORLD".
Please explain this.
> Oh well. Carry on.
With pleasure.
> You called me weak already. I was only reiterating. Telling you that
> you can call me whatever suits your fancy.
You can call me big Her if you like. Ok,Weak? No, name-calling is a
waste of time and my fancy is already very well suited,thank you.
Have a hey-day doin' that,
> everyone else around here does.
I don't especially care about what everybody else does.
Do you think it hurts me to be the
> Shantytown freak?
I don't know. Does it?
> I think I'll go search for some road-kill...
Yummy! Do you eat it raw?
> It seems like you've shot a lot of
> > yours,though.
>
> I don't have a gun;
No?
> I'm not a violent person, just picky, and
> out-spoken, which are hallmarks of my hard-earned freedom. I know
> what's worth having,
What is worth having Carlitos? You say that you are dead; do dead
people have anything?
> and I am very glad to be able to tell you that I
> have it.
You say that you have it,well,what is it?
> I'm a dead guy, that's why.
uh-huh.
So are you really a soft-hearted, practical sort, or just another
Amazonian tyrant?
Your world must be small if you think that women only come in two
flavors. I'm big,remember? Can't quite fit into those little pigeon
holes.
> > > > Her
> > > >
> Carlitos Crow
Carlitos Crow
somehow, but I guess that's to be expected around here, isn't it?
Anyhow, I might as well call you something besides "H"... You said
"Yes" to Hermione, and Henrietta, and Hattie... but surely you aren't
all of those, are you? Then I thought that perhaps it's Holga, or
Helga, but those names sound like trolls to me.
So today I shall call you Heidi... like the flaxen-haired beauty of the
Swiss Alps...
It's funny, isn't it, how much imagery is often associated with a name...
H wrote:
>
> Carlitos Crow wrote:
> >
Hi there Heidi! <smile>
>
> Hello Carlitos,sorry I didn't answer this yesterday,but I don't have
> much time to post.
You needn't apologise for that, Heidi. But since you have, I might
thank you for this pleasant response.
> So this is a partial,I'll try to get to the rest
> later.
Hmmm... Of course you do know that the road to hell, (if not to Rome) is
paved with good intentions. Anyhow, I thought this was plenty to go on
with... It doesn't really seem all that spare, or half-assed to me...
>
>
> > > > You definitely aren't our beloved h! <squoink!>
>
> I've always enjoyed henry's posts. Very sweet and full of insight.
Same here. We had a fun ball-game together about a year ago... except
my out-fielding left much to be desired...
>
> > I'm an artist. I make judgements continually in my
> > work.
>
> You posted a painting here once,didn't you?
I s'pose I might have. I know I posted a pastel portrait not too long ago...
> I liked that,reminded me
> of some of van Gogh's stuff with a touch of David Hockney.
Ah! So it was an oil-painting... Done at about this time of year...
Yeah, I know the one.
I don't study the arts, I just do it. I haven't a clue who David
Hockney is...
> But I'm an uneducated bumpkin;don't know too much about the arts,really.
Me either. What's to know? It's fun! It's expensive! What else can I
tell you?
>
> > At times you've posted
> > > things in here that bothered me and I decided to let you know that.
> >
> > Why? You like arguing?
>
> At times.
You know I do, huh!
>
> > Or are you just here to tell me to mind my peas
> > and stuff?
>
> Only your q's;do you mind?
Of course not! I'm beginning to take a shine to the idea!
>
>
> > How come you don't come tell me when I've said something you actually
> > liked or enjoyed?
>
> If you feel that what you write has value,isn't that enough for you?
Well, of course, certainly! But I do that nearly every day, and much of
what I've written may never be read. I come here mostly for the
possibility of an enjoyable discussion or a good arguement. I very much
enjoy the interactions I've had here.
The writing doesn't seem all that important; it's the exchange I find
which has real value to me here.
>
> > Wouldn't that be the positive approach?
>
> Not always; sometimes it's positive to show the negative.
Glad to hear it! Let's keep this in mind then, shall we?
>
> > > > Lots
> > > > > of positive things have been said to you here
> >
> > But not by you...
>
> That's a little mean-spirited,Carlitos.
You have only written a couple of posts that I've noticed. I wasn't
being mean; it was truly an expression of the way I'd perceived your remarks.
> Telling you that was in itself positive.
We might say anything one says has a positive aspect, then, mightn't we!
I think it's a positive sign when anyone even bothers to respond to my
pecky li'l responses, how's that? And all those silent lurkers... Well,
we know that silence is golden, don't we? Silence is often considered a
tacit agreement to whatever is going on, huh!
>
>
> > > I have felt at times affected by the things that you've said in
> > > here.
> >
> > Nice to know I've affected you! That must be a good thing, no? Don't
> > you enjoy bein' affected?
>
> Oh,I'm very responsive,Carlitos. I like to feel,to be alive. It always
> seems strange and sad to me when you say that you're dead.
But you can accept without comment or perhaps without sadness that I say
I'm a liar, and a crow in the no no?
Why not simply consider that my claim of being dead is simply one of my
little worthless lies? It could be that, couldn't it?
> But I don't believe that you're dead, I think that you are very much mistaken about that.
No, it's not that I'm mistaken, Heidi. It comes from being fully aware.
Someday, if not today, my lies will become true. In fact, they already
have, so far as I am concerned.
> So,in what way do you feel you are dead?
Only your intent can enliven me.
> Is your spirit dead?
The spirit is not a possession of mine. I am, rather, a live wire,
enlivened by spirit.
> Is your ego dead?
My ego was never "alive". It was merely insulation on this wire... Ego
made life, (or the love for the gift of life) impossible.
> Is your body dead?
In spirit, what body do you mean? I don't see anybody here! <smiling nobody>
> Are your feelings dead?
Did feelings ever have a life all their own? My feelings... Back to
"me" once again...
> This is something that I really don't understand.
"Who" does? <grin> Understanding isn't much, anyhow. One needn't be
hooked on it, I know that much!
>
> > > you were told to embrace
> > > the real world.
> >
> > How positive!
>
> Tell me what positive means to you.
It means that one is piously trying to separate a part from the whole,
and it is not such a kindness as it might at first seem to be. You want
to like me, because it feels good to you to like things; it doesn't feel
good to dislike them. Yet, in order to like me, I need to be told your
feelings, in hopes that I might uphold and respect them, and become more
likeable. Yet, I am whatever it is that I am, and perhaps my attempts
to conform to such vain hopes or expectations are really what's
ultimately detestable about me. Around here such attempts have become
known as "smarming". I dislike "smarm" myself. It is not really
becoming.
>
> > LOL That's the typically sick sort of thing a guidance
>
> You think that it is a platitude; I do not.
Why ask me what I think, if you already think you know what I think?
>
> > There IS NO "REAL WORLD".
>
> Please explain this.
I'm sure I've tried many times to do that. In this regard, I agree
wholeheartedly with don Juan; the world is nothing but a description
which is taken by its "members" to be "solid and for real". In my brief
"time" I have found that this is completely true, and not only that, the
world as we are conditioned to understand it is essentially a very
negative and ugly conception. It is merely a "hate factory", a "vicious
circle" entity of fear and greed (rabbit-wheel, treadmill), a
hamburger-grinder of awareness which loathes freedom, and those who
speak out freely about it.
The world makes life sheer hell for everyone in it. It isn't real, and
everyone knows it isn't. But their rebellion has been anticipated, and
the prisons are big business, just as those institutions of care and
concern called "hospitals" are full of vampires awaiting fresh "cases",
fresh blood... The schools undermine and destroy the tenuous love
between parents and their children, and the Universities give greed for
authority more power over the lost and the loveless, the estranged
genius, and the intelligent humanitarian...
I have not enjoyed the world; I have been stamped and rejected for my
strength and my truth. Does it matter? Of course not!
>
> > Oh well. Carry on.
>
> With pleasure.
>
>
> > You called me weak already. I was only reiterating. I was telling you that
> > you can call me whatever suits your fancy.
>
> You can call me big Her if you like.
I don't have to call you anything, do I? This isn't exactly personal,
is it? So I might as well call you Heidi. I enjoy the personal. Is
enjoyment an indulgence? Why don't you post as "someone"? What is the
point of hiding one's name in a way which makes it obvious? Does it
make you feel somehow safer or something? That's utter folly, isn't it!
> Ok,Weak?
Yes, it indicates weakness, I'd have to agree. Most usually as a result
of unsubstantiated fear.
> No, name-calling is a waste of time
In no-time, what is there to waste? What do you suppose you saved the
time for? Silly, if you ask me... even if you never did!
> and my fancy is already very well suited,thank you.
You're welcome! I rather do like these threads myself! <crowy smile>
>
> Have a hey-day doin' that,
> > everyone else around here does.
>
> I don't especially care about what everybody else does.
Well, that's what they all say, isn't it! Until it's considered harsh,
or invasive, or puts ones freedom before anothers'... "irresponsible
selfishness" was a term I heard for that.
>
> Do you think it hurts me to be the
> > Shantytown freak?
>
> I don't know. Does it?
Of course! Boo hoo! So what? I don't mind... I'm only a bit sad that
I've come to expect it, as a rule. Let's face it; I am the "Shantytown
freak"! It's my choice to be this way, isn't it? Or is it?
>
> > I think I'll go search for some road-kill...
>
> Yummy! Do you eat it raw?
No, silly! I make cuckoo clocks out of flattened animals! I dry 'em
out thoroughly first, so they don't smell. Then I drill 'em out and
install the guts of the clock into the dessicated belly and stick a
couple of birds feet for hands out through the back! They don't sell
all that well, but they do make great conversation pieces... in certain circumstances...
>
> > It seems like you've shot a lot of
> > > yours,though.
> >
> > I don't have a gun;
>
> No?
Nope! What would I have a gun for? No, I just can't get that serious.
>
> > I'm not a violent person, just picky, and
> > out-spoken, which are hallmarks of my hard-earned freedom. I know
> > what's worth having,
>
> What is worth having Carlitos?
Why, I just told you! Freedom, what else?
> You say that you are dead; do dead
> people have anything?
Yes. Dead people have found true peace. The true peace cannot be
disturbed. Dead folks definitely make the best friends of all. And the
best teachers also. I trust all my dead friends, and I shall love them
forever and ever.
>
> > and I am very glad to be able to tell you that I
> > have it.
>
> You say that you have it,well,what is it?
How many times need I tell you? Don't you believe I will properly
answer you the first time?
>
> > I'm a dead guy, that's why.
>
> uh-huh.
You are beginning to sound awfully familiar, Heidi. I s'pose I think I
know you better than you do, huh!
>
> So are you really a soft-hearted, practical sort, or just another
> Amazonian tyrant?
>
> Your world must be small if you think that women only come in two
> flavors.
I don't eat women, so I really don't know. I must say, though, such
extremes in limiting descriptions are exceedingly common around these
parts.
> I'm big,remember?
No, you're not. I'd say you've got a slim, supple little body. Quite
attractive; the bane of an intelligent woman's existence.
> Can't quite fit into those little pigeon
> holes.
No, you can't. Gotta get out of the swamp you're in first! <friendly grin>
>
> > > > > Her
Yeah, that's "her" alright!
love at second sight, Carlitos Crow
H
>
> Hey, it's That "H" lady again! You know, "H", you're awfully familiar
> somehow, but I guess that's to be expected around here, isn't it?
You seem familiar too,Carlitos. Almost like deja vu,but I didn't
expect it. Wonder why that is.
(snipped but nicely)
> So today I shall call you Heidi... like the flaxen-haired beauty of the
> Swiss Alps...
Well, I do like goats.
> It's funny, isn't it, how much imagery is often associated with a name...
It's a fact that what a thing or person is called affects how that
person or thing is perceived.
(yeah,I snipped a lot)
> Hi there Heidi! <smile>
HI Carlitos Crow!
> You needn't apologise for that, Heidi. But since you have, I might
> thank you for this pleasant response.
You are welcome to it,Carlitos. I enjoyed giving it to you.
> It doesn't really seem all that spare, or half-assed to me...
Gee,thanks<smile>
( a real lot,but I enjoyed what you said,Carlitos)
>> It always
> > seems strange and sad to me when you say that you're dead.
>
> But you can accept without comment or perhaps without sadness that I say
> I'm a liar, and a crow in the no no?
You like to lie,Carlitos? That is sad. I don't know what the no no is.
> Why not simply consider that my claim of being dead is simply one of my
> little worthless lies?
It's a strange lie to tell,Carlitos.
It could be that, couldn't it?
Sure.
> > But I don't believe that you're dead, I think that you are very much mistaken about that.
>
> No, it's not that I'm mistaken, Heidi. It comes from being fully aware.
That's a big claim.
> Someday, if not today, my lies will become true. In fact, they already
> have, so far as I am concerned.
Death is inevitable. Lies are not truth.
> > So,in what way do you feel you are dead?
>
> Only your intent can enliven me.
You have your own intent Carlitos. The life force that makes you
aware.
> > Is your spirit dead?
>
> The spirit is not a possession of mine. I am, rather, a live wire,
> enlivened by spirit.
We all have spirit which enlivens us.
> > Is your ego dead?
>
> My ego was never "alive".
But you like attention.
It was merely insulation on this wire... Ego
> made life, (or the love for the gift of life) impossible.
Ego drives the life in us. It can even make us laugh at ourselves.
> > Is your body dead?
>
> In spirit, what body do you mean? I don't see anybody here! <smiling nobody>
That was taking it to the absurd.
> > Are your feelings dead?
>
> Did feelings ever have a life all their own?
Feelings can be repressed or deadened.
My feelings... Back to
> "me" once again...
Yes,Carlitos,back to "me" again. ME and I.
> > This is something that I really don't understand.
>
> "Who" does? <grin> Understanding isn't much, anyhow. One needn't be
> hooked on it, I know that much!
I like to have understanding,to learn about the world,about other
people,about myself. You don't?
> > Tell me what positive means to you.
> It means that one is piously
I suppose I'm pious at times,so you have company.
trying to separate a part from the whole,
> and it is not such a kindness as it might at first seem to be. You want
> to like me,
Such presumption! But sure,I'd like to like you and so far,I do. If
that's 'smarm',so be it.
because it feels good to you to like things;
It feels very good to me,yes me, and there are many things and people
that I like.
it doesn't feel
> good to dislike them.
Part of the richness of life, Carlitos,pleasant and unpleasant
feelings. I do prefer pleasure to pain,but like the old saying
goes,'what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.' That's my feeling about
this.
> Yet, in order to like me, I need to be told your
> feelings, in hopes that I might uphold and respect them, and become more
> likeable.
Oh Carlitos. You seem young to me,how old are you? I'm curious,you
see,I once thought exactly like that. Then one day,I just didn't.
> Yet, I am whatever it is that I am,and perhaps my attempts
> to conform to such vain hopes or expectations are really what's
> ultimately detestable about me.
Well,that is ugly Carlitos,to detest me constantly.
> Around here such attempts have become
> known as "smarming". I dislike "smarm" myself. It is not really
> becoming.
You're entitled to your opinion,of course,but if you don't have an ego
how come you care about whether or not something is becoming?
> > > LOL That's the typically sick sort of thing a guidance
> >
> > You think that it is a platitude; I do not.
>
> Why ask me what I think, if you already think you know what I think?
Opps,accidently snipped the rest of the sentence about the guidance
counselors advice to fifteen year olds."Embrace the world",that was it.
that doesn't seem at all sick,but an excellent thing to say to any
child.
Next-the real world-and I agree with some of what you've said about it
Carlitos.
(yeah,I know,'the road to hell')
love too, Heidi
Eastland Kerry
>>ObsidianV wrote:
>>Sometimes I picture it that "tangled up" or complicated energy
>>is drawn to more directly-flowing energy out of a sort of envy
>>or "longing"....other times I picture energy interactions as a
>>flow from a heat source to a relatively cooler heat sink, which
>>puts a drain on the source....not bad or good but just simple
>>mechanics.
>What a load of hooey. Science fiction.
>You must be hanging out in bookstores too much.
LOL!!! You sneaky bastard. The Millennium Bell is due to be released on the
29th. Mike's feeling prolific these days.
Place me in sea boo!
:-D
Eastland Kerry
Right . . .
And I'm a purple alien with really big fangs!
Carlitos Crow
> Hi o!
>
> ObsidianV wrote:
> >
> > crsds wrote:
> >
> > >Any way you view it, it's a load of shit.
> >
> > Actually, if you could say that without a bias, you'd be
> > correct -- because it applies to any system of symbolic
> > constructs. But it would have to be without a bias. A strident
> > atheist is as much a player in the god-game as is a zealot.
> >
> > >Keep shoveling boy, you'll get to the bottom someday.
> >
> > <smile> The bottom is the same as the top!
>
> No it isn't! <grin> Er... how do you know? What makes you say that?
> >
> > If something about what your Uncle Charlie wrote
> > has delighted you, then you should keep that much,
> > and walk away from the rest. If nothing he did pleases
> > you any more, why the heck are you still tangled up
> > in it?
>
> He isn't. He's a block-head.
> >
> > obsidian
>
> Do you miss me? <grin> I may start posting again...
>
> Crow
I miss you too.:)
Love
Crow
Carlitos Crow
> Hi Dan M... A big "M", like Mickey Dee's, huh!
>
> Dan M wrote:
> >
> > > Do you miss me? <grin> I may start posting again...
> >
> > have Bernie and Natasha do it for you this time...
>
> "Who"?
>
> Don't know those folks, Dan.
>
> How have you been lately? I've been ... gee, what have I been doing?
> Keepin' the peace with my family, I guess. And I don't mean my
> immediate family, either, but the one I came from... my siblings...
>
> If it weren't for the kids, huh!
>
> <smile>
>
> Hope you're well! We might chat again sometime, once the mood is good
> again, huh!
>
> Crow
So it's forgiveable, and I can do that. And I can do more, or must we
leave it at that?
Crow
Carlitos Crow
> ObsidianV wrote:
> >
> > Howdy Crow!
>
> Hi Obsid ash handle! (Gotta love those!)
> >
> > >Do you miss me?
> >
> > Yes! I figured that you had migrated to alt.inner.circle,
> > which AOL won't let me get to, dag nab it. I can only imagine
> > what goes on in there, and meanwhile shiver in this wasteland.
>
> Nah, I've been there, and really, you aren't missing much, if anything.
> There are a number of ADCers over there now, making jokes about WWings
> being the last (intelligent) woman left in ADC... Fine by me. The Inner
> Circle's a hen party, I guess... no crows there, unless I start
> cackling.
> >
> > >>crsds wrote:
> > >> >Keep shoveling boy, you'll get to the bottom someday.
> > >
> > >ObsidianV rejoined:
> > >> <smile> The bottom is the same as the top!
> > >
> > >CCrow noted:
> > >No it isn't! <grin>
> >
> > Bedrock! The breaker of many a shovel.
>
> Actually, it's the way one turns the pile which breaks the shovel, isn't
> it? Gotta take small bites; and don't pry. use a crowbar for that! <grin>
> >
> > But I think he was encouraging me to dig deeper into a compost
> > pile -- surface flotsam....all the same heap of manure, from one angle.
>
> Gold was just another rock once upon a time, too, huh!
>
> > At least the fresh stuff is fresh.
>
> I haven't been reading much of anything here lately... unless you wrote
> it. <smile> You gonna suggest I read a thread I haven't read which my
> comments might benefit in some way?
>
> > Which is another reason you should
> > get your butt back in here and start posting again.
>
> I'd best begin a fresh thread myself. But what is the topic of the day?
> Death has been worried to death in here. How about love? That's
> always a good one, except that it seems to deteriorate into rude
> commentaries about sexuality. I like a decent arguement, but I sure
> don't intend to get down and dirty like some folks would have me do, and
> have done here already.
>
> We already know the outcome of that, if one can really even call it an
> "outcome"! Yuck! <grin>
>
> I've only been away from ADC due to my father's decision to undergo
> open-heart surgery (He went into hospital on October 18th) and the wave
> of emotional turmoil which it precipitated within the family, including
> sudden visits from my sisters, both of whom live on the Eastern side of
> the continent. I had the good fortune of getting to spend some time
> with my adorable nieces from New York... Although they didn't want to
> ever leave this house of Crow, and my sister was naturally very upset.
>
> They've returned to their day-to-day lives once again, although my
> sister is sending me email which keeps me responding, in hopes that
> she'll understand someday just how much I truly care...
>
> Family life... There's another area of discussion for us warrior-types,
> if anyone could stomach such a topic. I enjoy my life, which has
> precious little to do with my upbringing or with my family today,
> although they are of course a big part of it simultaneously... The
> contrariness, oh, the contrariness!
> >
> > obsidian "ash handle and steel shank" V
>
> Shall we proceed? "Who's on first?"
>
> Carlitos Crow
I'd best begin a fresh thread myself.
With love carlitos
Carlitos Crow
Well, at least it ain't like the pieces of pork in a pork and beans factory...
no strings attached, huh!
Carlitos Crow
Carlitos Crow
>
> This is a fantastic spychological drama, don't you think? <winky wink!>
>
> >
> > Obsidian
>
> The Crowiest of Crows, Carlitos Peter Piper... and what-not.
thanks though... for one of the biggest laughs ever! - i really haven't enjoyed
myself like this for simply ages... (thanks! - i feel great!:)
Carlitos Crow
Carlitos Crow
>
> The gold ring is very thin... You may not see it once you're in...
>
> The only friend in town, Carlitos Crow
Really, Goo, what gives here? You're pretty darn "schitzy" yourself...
or haven't you noticed that yet? <smile>
Crow
Carlitos Crow
>
>
> she's got it now, and this is all she can do with that support. So far
> as I am concerned, with friends like RBB, who needs enemies? In other
> words, it would be silly of me to think I could ever be friends with
> such a twisted up old witch.
>
> I could care less for what she feels at this point, and I shall proceed
> accordingly, meaning I'll leave her be. I pick at posts all the time,
> for that is one sure way to get into a discussion with someone, and
> share a bit with them, if they really wish to do that themselves. But
> RBB only tries to deride and mock my peculiar take on things, and is not
> a worthy correspondent. Oh well, I guess this says plenty enough.
>
Livin' in the Past, is it livin' at all? If I catch it will it kill me; let
it go, will I fall?
Am I dyin' or just flyin', do I reap as I sow? Can I be a farmer in the
garden, shootin' at the crow?
Carlitos Crow
Carlitos Crow
> I think if you are going to insist on poluting Shantytown with your
> vitriol, I will CROWSS POST IT...
“Pot-kettle-black!” said Crow, and then added, “No, I usually go visit my
Mom
during Easterly week!”
Crow
Carlitos Crow
>
>
> No end to lies, silly. It's the truth that gets you!
>
> Crow
Well, it's surely a sign of something, huh! Could that be sheer madness,
or is
it warriorship? Is it "functional"? Are these worthy questions? Are these
appropriate questions? Do you suppose you'll ever have answers to any of
them? Do you think I care if there are answers or not? Do you think I
care if
you care that I care?
Crow
Carlitos Crow
>
>
> > It is Crow giving himself a question so that he has an excuse to answer
> > himself.
>
> No, it isn't. But if that's the way you see.... Well, it says it all, huh!
Crow
The world is in need of warriors, more than ever before. If you are one with
intent, you would not doubt or disagree with this statement, no matter 'who'
the messenger may appear to be.
Carlitos Crow
Carlitos Crow
>
>
> So what's Hitler doin'...."up there"?
>
> Nut.
>
> Crow
How nice! Can't get much more tyrannically nasty than that, can you? Or
can
you?
Carlitos Crow
Carlitos Crow
>
>
> Only women get obsessed like this. So what's in a name?
>
> Yeah? Gee! When? I'm fine! Nobody bashing me here!
>
>
> Carlitos Crow
According to you. But this is no surprise. You have obviously got a lot of
ugliness you have to deal with, and can't imagine the sort of freedom I
enjoy...
Nor will you ever have it, because you simply couldn't manage it.
Carlitos Crow
Carlitos Crow
>
>
> Some go up, and some go down. To each their own, huh!
>
> Carlitos Crow
Yes, that's your dead weight. I sure wouldn't wish that on anyone, not
even on
you. Why do you carry all that around here?
Carlitos Crow
Carlitos Crow
>
> Do you want to have a baby, Rainbowbird? Is that it?
>
> Crow (kootchie kootchie koo koo!)
>
>
Yeah? Have you? No. Obviously not. You wouldn't know the first thing about
that, would you?
Carlitos Crow
Carlitos Crow
>
>
> I happen to like trolls! Always have... And Camilias... Well, who
> wouldn't like those? Would you prefer a dafodil?
>
>
>
> Still love, Crow
There are regressional therapy groups to deal with that...
Carlitos Crow
Carlitos Crow
>
>
> I don't "have" my "own" woman, Rainbowbird.
>
> Crow
I ignored it then; it seems silly for me to be making an issue out of
it, but the I read what you say here, and wonder if it's worth pointing
this out, and now I have...
Crow
Carlitos Crow
>
>
> So what happened then? The guy was impotent?
>
> Sounds like you got screwed somehow...
>
>
>
> Crow
Well we've all got a voice, and I'm usin' mine, huh!
Carlitos Crow
Carlitos Crow
> Rainbowbird wrote:
> >
> > Stoned again?
> > RBB
>
> Gee!
>
> No, but it's not a half-bad idea, actually!
>
> Crow
That's how you deal with stuff, obviously. Shut up about it, and it'll
all just kind of go away. Have you considered taking your sorry ass to
another newsgroup? Or better yet, get living before you shrivel up and
go all senile...
Carlitos Crow
Carlitos Crow
>
> I don't eat women, so I really don't know. I must say, though, such
> extremes in limiting descriptions are exceedingly common around these
> parts.
>
Just "tastin' the Hens"... They're tough, and they're stringy! They
look firm 'til you slice them with that rotating-knife thingy! You've
only got white meat, where I'd prefer brown...
Just thought you ladies might appreciate the "Taste Test of Crow" I
mean only the best, but I sound nasty, I know.
Carlitos Crow
Carlitos Crow
>
>
> I'm a dead guy, that's why. So are you really a soft-hearted, practical
> sort, or just another Amazonian tyrant?
>
Rainbowbird! Please! You're hurting me!
you are a very perceptive dream lady... I always said so. As such, you
represent the female side of our species, or our "troupe" or whatever.... and
you've done something here, something which i s'pose needs doing... a
thankless task... so I ought to be humble about that, 'cause I know what it's
like ...
This isn't very nice, not nice at all. I try to be as honest and heartfelt as I
can.
Suit yerself, RBB. I'm too worn down here to bother pecking at you, who
ought to show a bit of cameraderie AW, shit... do as you will... I can take
anything... We have to, don't we?
Good , that was the intent. And was yours to bring a terrible longing to leave
this place forever, and cry and cry and cry...
Carlitos Crow
H
Hi Carlitos,
> > > There IS NO "REAL WORLD".
> >
> > Please explain this.
>
> I'm sure I've tried many times to do that. In this regard, I agree
> wholeheartedly with don Juan; the world is nothing but a description
> which is taken by its "members" to be "solid and for real". In my brief
> "time" I have found that this is completely true, and not only that, the
> world as we are conditioned to understand it is essentially a very
> negative and ugly conception.
Don Juan loved the world,he didn't run from it. He didn't complain
about it. It's hard to accept the imperfections,I know.
It is merely a "hate factory", a "vicious
> circle" entity of fear and greed (rabbit-wheel, treadmill), a
> hamburger-grinder of awareness which loathes freedom, and those who
> speak out freely about it.
The world is much more than this description you've given. This is
where you are focusing your attention,on the negative. Is this the type
of intent you want to hook into?
> The world makes life sheer hell for everyone in it.
Life is full of experiences Carlitos. Some pleasant,some unpleasant. I
don't feel that my life is hell and I'm in the world.
It isn't real, and
> everyone knows it isn't.
I don't know that. Somewhere I read this story:
A college student comes home on vacation and goes to visit his Rabbi.
He tells the Rabbi,"In school I learned that anything can be proven
through debate."
The Rabbi says"Oh really? Can you prove you have no nose?"
The student says"Of course,I learned that anything can be proven that
way!"
So the Rabbi punches him hard in the nose,then says very
sympathetically,"So what hurts?"
But their rebellion has been anticipated, and
> the prisons are big business, just as those institutions of care and
> concern called "hospitals" are full of vampires awaiting fresh "cases",
> fresh blood...
The world isn't perfect,Carlitos. Sometimes it's
frightening,sickening,and we always die in it.
> The schools undermine and destroy the tenuous love
> between parents and their children,
Assuming a tenuous bond,that's another presumption. Maybe the problem
isn't with the schools,ever think of that?
and the Universities give greed for
> authority more power over the lost and the loveless, the estranged
> genius, and the intelligent humanitarian...
> I have not enjoyed the world; I have been stamped and rejected for my
> strength and my truth.
Shattered ideals?
We all have troubles in our lives. Retreating doesn't make them go
away.
> Does it matter? Of course not!
I think it does matter very much to you Carlitos.
I still love you. Post another one of your paintings sometime,willya?
Helen
Carlitos Crow
H wrote:
>
> Carlitos Crow wrote:
>
> Hi Carlitos,
Good morning, Helen! Bein' Heidi didn't suit you today? Fine by me! I
can see you haven't changed anything... just added a few characters to
your initial capital. I'm still the same too, but I shall try to
elaborate on that here, if I can...
>
> > > > There IS NO "REAL WORLD".
> > >
> > > Please explain this.
> >
> > I'm sure I've tried many times to do that. In this regard, I agree
> > wholeheartedly with don Juan; the world is nothing but a description
> > which is taken by its "members" to be "solid and for real". In my brief
> > "time" I have found that this is completely true, and not only that, the
> > world as we are conditioned to understand it is essentially a very
> > negative and ugly conception.
>
> Don Juan loved the world,he didn't run from it.
I did not say I didn't love the world, Helen. I simply said that the
so-called "world" isn't real. I might add that I personally love the
illusion of the "world", but only because I have seen it to be the
illusion that it is. As a "reality" it is far too narrow and negative
for me. I didn't make the world, but I let it go. If it is indeed
real, it does not require any agreement from me; I do not need to uphold
it for it to continue on in it's "real" doubtful fashion.
I have not "run from" the world, that is your assumption, if anything.
> He didn't complain
> about it.
I haven't been complaining about it. I've been pecking out my opinion,
answering questions I feel able to reply to.
> It's hard to accept the imperfections,I know.
I don't see imperfection the way you might see it. What imperfections
are you referring to here? Perhaps I can respond if what you have to
say is specific enough to give a specific response to.
>
> It is merely a "hate factory", a "vicious
> > circle" entity of fear and greed (rabbit-wheel, treadmill), a
> > hamburger-grinder of awareness which loathes freedom, and those who
> > speak out freely about it.
>
> The world is much more than this description you've given.
Much more? Well, I don't see "much more"; I see your ten words. That
isn't "much more", is it? Anything you say here can only amount to a
description, no? I mean, yes? Why do you say so little, if there's so
much more? Could it be the "fear and greed" which prevents you? Can't
be bothered? These are negative reasons, I know. What might be a
positive reason for not offering "much more" here, Helen?
This is
> where you are focusing your attention,on the negative.
As are you, by pointing this out without offering something positive to
redirect our intent here. The thing is, I did not say it was
"negative"; you did. I simply said what I see, without qualifying it as
"positive" or "negative". I know a good many folks who agree with me
that the "world" is a "hate factory", and they are fun-loving, creative
and enthusiastic people who visit me because I am their friend, and I
listen to their woes as well as their joys and their inspirations, and I
offer what advice I can, if it's being sought. I do it purely for the
joy of it; I do not get paid, other than in kind, which is plenty enough
for me. Nobody is indebted to me, nor does anyone feel I owe them
anything.
> Is this the type
> of intent you want to hook into?
One of my first posts to ADC was a conversation I had with don Juan,
which transpired perhaps a week before I came here to ADC. (In June,
1998) In that conversation, don Juan was explaining to me how a warrior
must first love his world, which most folks do not, and therefore they
cannot stand their teacher, for the hateful feelings he brings out in
them. Don Juan assured me that the teaching was not done until the
apprentices could say with tears in their eyes that they loved their
teacher, for having the strength to withstand all their misconceptions
in dealing with the teachings and the real love for freedom he had
finally and completely transmitted to them, so that they could
themselves function freely at long last, with a direct and clear link to spirit.
It is not I, Crow, hooking into "negative intent"; you are sorely
mistaken about that. It is actually quite the opposite. I say things
here like "I am free" or "I am dead" or "Wake up! Yer dreaming!" and
then get a whole pile of vitriol and doubtful responses back for making
such statements. They aren't my responses. But I do respond to a lot
of them, in an effort to explain, or to expound, or in some instances to
reflect back the so-called "negative" intent. I am well-aware that
there are a number of folks at ADC who read and respect my intent here,
and I'm sure you'd agree that these are "positive responses", if and
when such folks feel compelled to respond, which some do indeed
occasionally do.
But there's no need for me to "hook into" anything, and certainly
there's nothing to "hook into" in "positive" intent. It is essentially
free, with no strings attached, or it wouldn't be good, would it?
>
> > The world makes life sheer hell for everyone in it.
>
> Life is full of experiences Carlitos. Some pleasant,some unpleasant.
Indeed, you might have added, as I will now, that hell fits that
description perfectly.
> I don't feel that my life is hell and I'm in the world.
If you want to cling to that idea, suit yourself. It isn't true, but
perhaps it "feels" true to you. Why not just stick me in one of those
pigeon-holes of yours, and call it good? There's one called "liars". I
fit just fine in that one. Now you're off the hook, aren't you? I'm
still free, and dead, and in no-time, so what possible difference could
it make to me, or to anyone else? None whatsoever. Except perhaps you
can get on with other, "worldly" things, and put off death 'til some
other day. Fine by me. No skin off my virtual nose!
>
> It isn't real, and
> > everyone knows it isn't.
>
> I don't know that. Somewhere I read this story:
Ah, storytime! I love stories! I really do!
>
> A college student comes home on vacation and goes to visit his Rabbi.
> He tells the Rabbi,"In school I learned that anything can be proven
> through debate."
>
> The Rabbi says"Oh really? Can you prove you have no nose?"
>
> The student says"Of course,I learned that anything can be proven that
> way!"
>
> So the Rabbi punches him hard in the nose,then says very
> sympathetically,"So what hurts?"
Love hurts, until it's true, that's what.
>
> But their rebellion has been anticipated, and
> > the prisons are big business, just as those institutions of care and
> > concern called "hospitals" are full of vampires awaiting fresh "cases",
> > fresh blood...
>
> The world isn't perfect,Carlitos.
No, and I suggest you find the crack in it, and get the heck out of it.
I am perfect; there's simply no place there for the likes of moi!
Sometimes it's
> frightening,sickening,and we always die in it.
So I did already, then, I guess!
>
> > The schools undermine and destroy the tenuous love
> > between parents and their children,
>
> Assuming a tenuous bond,that's another presumption.
Do you have children of your own, Helen? Love is a tenuous bond... true
love is, at any rate. One must earn respect of the children. Love
doesn't just exist between family members without being sought, and
nurtured.
Maybe the problem
> isn't with the schools,ever think of that?
Of course it isn't! It's with the parents, naturally! And yet, they've
all been sent off to school (by their parents, of course) to "better
themselves" and of course they've been conditioned to believe that this
is the right thing to do for (or to, depending on the veiwpoint) their
own kids.
>
> and the Universities give greed for
> > authority more power over the lost and the loveless, the estranged
> > genius, and the intelligent humanitarian...
>
> > I have not enjoyed the world; I have been stamped and rejected for my
> > strength and my truth.
>
> Shattered ideals?
No, nothing of the sort, Helen. I have been honored to have been shown
how to go beyond those. The "world" of ADC isn't any different from the
"real world" in this regard... In other words, one need only read the
responses to my postings here to have some insight into how I have been
"dealt with" by the so-called "real world".
>
> We all have troubles in our lives. Retreating doesn't make them go
> away.
Warriors may often retreat, but do not give in to defeat. I've been
rather tentative about posting anything much about my little personal
"troubles" as you refer to them, although I've said more about my
personal "world" here than most of the "regular" ADCers. I recently
began talking about my father's death, for example. But such postings
have made little, if any difference to anyone here, nor do I expect them
to. I merely post such pieces occasionally in the event that it might
help to get one of these so-called "serious" discussions underway, but
none of us care for those, here, do we? From all I can gather, that was
"all done" long before I arrived in Shantytown.
>
> > Does it matter? Of course not!
>
> I think it does matter very much to you Carlitos.
How could it? Ask me another one, if you will! <smile>
>
> I still love you.
That's sweet, Helen. I love you too. So I guess this might just as
well be the end, huh!
>Post another one of your paintings sometime,willya?
I checked to see if I'd ever posted the painting you mentioned, but it
would seem that I didn't. I emailed it to several posters here. So
which one of them shared their private correspondence with you, Helen?
I s'pose it doesn't matter either.
If I'm mistaken, perhaps you'd clarify... if you could be so kind...
>
> Helen
>
love at second sight, or is it third? Just say the word...
Carlitos Crow
rainbowbird
>
> I checked to see if I'd ever posted the painting you mentioned, but it
> would seem that I didn't. I emailed it to several posters here. So
> which one of them shared their private correspondence with you, Helen?
> I s'pose it doesn't matter either.
> If I'm mistaken, perhaps you'd clarify... if you could be so kind...
>
> Carlitos Crow
Crow, you did post a painting here on ADC.
So why involve even more people into your battle against Dan?
RBB
Carlitos Crow
rainbowbird wrote:
>
> Carlitos Crow wrote:
>
> > Carlitos Crow
>
> Crow, you did post a painting here on ADC.
Yes, I did. It was a pastel portrait of a pretty girl I know.
> So why involve even more people into your battle against Dan?
I have no battle with anyone here. You're a nit-wit.
And Dan has reportedly got the biggest shlong. So what?
>
> RBB
Crow
Dan
> >
> love at second sight, or is it third? Just say the word...
oh for chrisake, you're not the helen I'm thinkin' it is, is it?
Dan
>
> Yes, I did. It was a pastel portrait of a pretty girl I know.
how old? 9? 6? 3?
> > So why involve even more people into your battle against Dan?
>
> I have no battle with anyone here.
there's no one but yourself to battle with here... in most cases,
anyway.
> You're a nit-wit.
Rainbow is a babe, dude... a total hot turbo-charged sweethearted good
looking hot and totally sensual babe....
> And Dan has reportedly got the biggest shlong.
I got news for ya... if true, you other guys may as well call yourselves
PeeWee forever more.
So what?
some women dig the thick ones... some women don't care... some women
don't like 'em... it's not so important, is it?
> > RBB
>
> Crow
ok
Dan
Carlitos Crow
Dan wrote:
>
> > > Crow, you did post a painting here on ADC.
> >
> > Yes, I did. It was a pastel portrait of a pretty girl I know.
>
> how old? 9? 6? 3?
She just turned 13, silly! I drew her the picture on request... I gave
it to her for her birthday...
So much for her innocent childhood... She seems to have become another
twinkie overnight! The other kids don't seem to know how to handle
her... but she hasn't been around much of late...
>
> > > So why involve even more people into your battle against Dan?
> >
> > I have no battle with anyone here.
>
> there's no one but yourself to battle with here... in most cases,
> anyway.
Well, we could go at it, poker and tongs, just for the sheer hell of it,
couldn't we? (Not like anyone ever asks permission to spar here,
anyhow, do they?)
>
> > You're a nit-wit.
>
> Rainbow is a babe, dude...
She must love you for sayin' so. Yeah, you two make a good combo!
a total hot turbo-charged sweethearted good
> looking hot and totally sensual babe....
But once you've walked a couple of blocks throught the fair (LOL)
streets of Amsterdam...
>
> > And Dan has reportedly got the biggest shlong.
>
> I got news for ya... if true, you other guys may as well call yourselves
> PeeWee forever more.
Hey, is this reverse-reverse psychology 101-01 or what?
>
> So what?
>
> some women dig the thick ones...
Thick as a brick, you mean? The wise men don't know how it feels, do they?
> some women don't care...
Think I'll steer clear of those kind...
some women
> don't like 'em... it's not so important, is it?
Absolutely not, Dan! Whew, what a relief, huh!
>
> > > RBB
> >
> > Crow
>
> ok
You too.
Crow
H
>
> > > Helen
> > >
> > love at second sight, or is it third? Just say the word...
>
You tell me,'cause after you thought I was henry,god knows. But I'm
pretty sure we're acquainted.
I wanted to talk to Carlitos,so I came by. Nice to see that you're
feeling better now. Well,I'm not saying more until I know you know who
the heck I am. 'Cause I'm having my doubts.
H
Carlitos Crow
H wrote:
>
> Dan wrote:
> >
> > > > Helen
> > > >
> > > love at second sight, or is it third? Just say the word...
> >
> > oh for chrisake, you're not the helen I'm thinkin' it is, is it?
No, Dan, I said that! You're as addled as Cat! < yowsers! >
>
> You tell me,'cause after you thought I was henry,god knows.
Hi Helen, it's me, Crow... The one in the no no that nobody seems to
know but Crow, but I don't know... no, I don't know...
> But I'm pretty sure we're acquainted.
Indeed, we most certainly are! I'd be thinkin' to start considerin'
this to be a full fledged meetin' of sorts, but I could be wrong. Well,
no, I really couldn't be, could I? It *is* a meeting of sorts, isn't
it! I s'pose that could mean anything, if it meant anything at all.
Man, I'm full of that sort of stuff, but I s'pose even that goes without
saying, doesn't it? On the other hand, if I didn't say anything about
it, I'd likely not have anything much to say, at least, not about that
sort of stuff, and nobody could tell me I was full of it then... Well, I
s'pose they could, but why would they? I guess they might, just to try
to find out what sort of fellow I was...er... am, ...er, am I?
Darn, who am I talking to here? (Obviously myself, I got that part.)
Carlitos! Can you hear me? I'm hiiiiiiiding! In the front
cloooooooset!
> I wanted to talk to Carlitos,so I came by.
Oh, hi, Helen, it's still me, Crow.... no surprises there, I'm afraid.
But I'm curious as to what this er.. meeting, (full-fledged or
otherwise) might bring us... if not turkey roasted brown, in a manner of
speaking crow, yes?
> Nice to see that you're
> feeling better now.
ah, those taters snowy white....
Where's EE when you feel like a full turkey dinner? Man, this place is
somethin' else, ain't it the truth!
> Well,I'm not saying more until I know you know who
> the heck I am.
Well how's anyone supposed to know you if you don't talk all about
yourself, and expose all your petty limitations?
It's funny, isn't it?
Anyhow, the motto here seems very fitting to the problem: Be unknown to yourself
What do you know? It works for me! Whatever working is; everyone here
seems to know ol' Crow doesn't do that! Why work when it works for you?
'Cause I'm having my doubts.
And I don't believe you for a second!
> H
Courteously and sillily,
Carlitos Crow
Dan
Quality Inn
H
Oh jeezus,yes,I'm sure. Damnit Dan,I wish I'd said that!
Smiling now,
Helen
H
> > > > love at second sight, or is it third? Just say the word...
Dan wrote:
> > > oh for chrisake, you're not the helen I'm thinkin' it is, is it?
>
> No, Dan, I said that!
Thanks for straightening that out Carlitos,I thought I said it.
You're as addled as Cat! < yowsers! >
Oh,why pick on Cat? She doesn't seem addled.
> Hi Helen, it's me, Crow...
Hi Carlitos,it's me too.
> > But I'm pretty sure we're acquainted.
> Indeed, we most certainly are!
(a snip)
> It *is* a meeting of sorts, isn't it!
Sure,and maybe we'll meet some more.
I s'pose that could mean anything, if it meant anything at all.
I
> s'pose they could, but why would they? I guess they might, just to try
> to find out what sort of fellow I was...er... am, ...er, am I?
Are you a fellow mellow or hell o?...at least I think you're a fellow.
> Darn, who am I talking to here? (Obviously myself, I got that part.)
Thank goodness!
> Carlitos! Can you hear me? I'm hiiiiiiiding! In the front
> cloooooooset!
Come out,come out,wherever you are...I can heeeaaaar you.
> > I wanted to talk to Carlitos,so I came by.
>
> Oh, hi, Helen, it's still me, Crow....
Hi Carlitos,I'm glad to know..you're still the crow.
no surprises there, I'm afraid.
> But I'm curious as to what this er.. meeting, (full-fledged or
> otherwise) might bring us...
if not turkey roasted brown, in a manner of
> speaking crow, yes?
Are you calling me a turkey,or is you?
> ah, those taters snowy white....
Carlitos,you're making me hungry!! Now where's the gravy?
> > Well,I'm not saying more until I know you know who
> > the heck I am.
>
> Well how's anyone supposed to know you if you don't talk all about
> yourself, and expose all your petty limitations?
By our limitations we are known?
> It's funny, isn't it?
Really,yes.
> Anyhow, the motto here seems very fitting to the problem: Be unknown to yourself
Well,I don't know,yourself is always suprising,I think.
> 'Cause I'm having my doubts.
>
> And I don't believe you for a second!
Doubtless!!
> > H
>
> Courteously and sillily,
Sillys to the silly,politely,
Helen
> Carlitos Crow
Dan
>
> Dan wrote:
> >
> > 'Cause I'm having my doubts.
> >
> > Quality Inn
>
> Oh jeezus,yes,I'm sure. Damnit Dan,I wish I'd said that!
>
> Smiling now,
>
> Helen
It had it's moments which I'm sure will live in infamy, or however you
want to view it.
Carlitos Crow
H wrote:
>
> Carlitos Crow wrote:
> You're as addled as Cat! < yowsers! >
>
> Oh,why pick on Cat? She doesn't seem addled.
I like Cat! That's what I do, Helen, in case you hadn't figured that
out yet. I pick. I peck. Things look appealling until I do that, and
of course it's just the same for little boys in the toy store, until the
little brats get the thing they squalled so loudly for, and find out
it's crap.
I'm not a little boy, though, and I already know it's crap. Still, I
pick, just to make sure... Yup, just more crap.
>
> > Hi Helen, it's me, Crow...
>
> Hi Carlitos,it's me too.
Hi. I'll be frank; I'm in a rotten mood. Very deliberately rotten,
mind you, or I wouldn't be telling you so, now, would I?
So you don't need to bother pecking out a response. I don't get the
feeling you're really here to talk with me anyway.
>
> > > But I'm pretty sure we're acquainted.
>
> > Indeed, we most certainly are!
> (a snip)
> > It *is* a meeting of sorts, isn't it!
>
> Sure,and maybe we'll meet some more.
What for?
>
> I s'pose that could mean anything, if it meant anything at all.
> I
> > s'pose they could, but why would they? I guess they might, just to try
> > to find out what sort of fellow I was...er... am, ...er, am I?
>
> Are you a fellow mellow or hell o?...at least I think you're a fellow.
Like "one of the gang" sort of fellow? No, I'm not. I never was.
But I'm a father.... I do love that!
And I'm a sort of godfather to some. Who needs it? I sure don't. But
this is the spirit keepin' me goin'...and keepin' them a-comin'...
>
> > Darn, who am I talking to here? (Obviously myself, I got that part.)
>
> Thank goodness!
Oh yeah. I talk with myself more than I talk with anyone else. And I
learn more from myself than from anyone else, too. Of course, it seems
the presence of others drives me to learn in the first place, so I have
"everyone" to thank for my little lessons.
>
> > Carlitos! Can you hear me? I'm hiiiiiiiding! In the front
> > cloooooooset!
>
> Come out,come out,wherever you are...I can heeeaaaar you.
>
> > > I wanted to talk to Carlitos,so I came by.
> >
> > Oh, hi, Helen, it's still me, Crow....
>
> Hi Carlitos,I'm glad to know..you're still the crow.
>
> no surprises there, I'm afraid.
> > But I'm curious as to what this er.. meeting, (full-fledged or
> > otherwise) might bring us...
>
> if not turkey roasted brown, in a manner of
> > speaking crow, yes?
>
> Are you calling me a turkey,or is you?
No, you're not a turkey, Helen! I guess nobody here celebrates
Thanksgiving. I celebrate too much, I s'pose. Party of one, usually.
Thankfully I can visit Shantytown, and laugh at all my own jokes... and
Gregs and Emilios... Those guys have good senses of humours. <smile>
Thanks for all the laughs, you guys! Especially in the face of what we
do know about the unknown!
>
> > ah, those taters snowy white....
>
> Carlitos,you're making me hungry!! Now where's the gravy?
It's coming...Sorry, it's always the last thing on the table, around
here, at least.
>
> > > Well,I'm not saying more until I know you know who
> > > the heck I am.
> >
> > Well how's anyone supposed to know you if you don't talk all about
> > yourself, and expose all your petty limitations?
>
> By our limitations we are known?
Always. Without limitations, what's to know? I rather thought that's
what knowledge was: limited. That's why folks are never gonna be
content with knowledge; it is like any other addiction. A little bit
can go far, and then one craves like they never craved before.
Who needs it? I like it here in the no no. I don't know much else.
And what I know is about all I ever want to know.
>
> > It's funny, isn't it?
>
> Really,yes.
>
> > Anyhow, the motto here seems very fitting to the problem: Be unknown to yourself
>
> Well,I don't know,yourself is always suprising,I think.
There you go! You don't know! And neither do I. I enjoy my own
unknown self. I guess I'll send this so I can come read it in the
morning, and surprise myself.
>
> > 'Cause I'm having my doubts.
> >
> > And I don't believe you for a second!
>
> Doubtless!!
>
> > > H
> >
> > Courteously and sillily,
>
> Sillys to the silly,politely,
Spare the politeness, Helen. It doesn't help. Really, intent is all
that means anything... to me, anyway.
>
> Helen
Goodbye.
Carlitos Crow
Dan
Actually, that's about the exact age I knew it would be... the others
are a bit too young, even for you.
:-)
> I drew her the picture on request...
You requested thia of her; that you pose her hither and thither and thus
do your pic?
> I gave
> it to her for her birthday...
Ever seen the semi-recent flick 'Cape Fear' where the strange and
sociopathic DeNiro character corners the ummmm errrr 13 yr old chick
Juliette Lewis (sp?) character, and are there filmed together in the
school theater?
> So much for her innocent childhood...
Too bad you helped to rob her of it.
> She seems to have become another
> twinkie overnight!
right.. just another 'cream' filled kid... sick sick sick...
> The other kids don't seem to know how to handle
> her...
Not now...
> but she hasn't been around much of late...
You're lucky she doesn't get the cops on you... or someday get a real
boyfriend who is going to seek you out and put a bullet in your head.
..and, of course it goes without saying, that she's not around much of
late...
> Well, we could go at it, poker and tongs, just for the sheer hell of it,
> couldn't we?
Yes I can. :-)
> (Not like anyone ever asks permission to spar here,
> anyhow, do they?)
You actually gave me "permission" to do exactly this in one of your
inane emails to me.
> > > You're a nit-wit.
> >
> > Rainbow is a babe, dude...
>
> She must love you for sayin' so.
Whatever... she's (or he's, or you) can't get close enough to ever
really ever know... one and or both of you says you are afraid to be
'emotionally' close to anyone;;; this says it all if you ask me.
> Yeah, you two make a good combo!
Too intense, dude!
> a total hot turbo-charged sweethearted good
> > looking hot and totally sensual babe....
>
> But once you've walked a couple of blocks throught the fair (LOL)
> streets of Amsterdam...
Never been there... so I wouldn't know... wouldn't even know if there
really is a daniela there, now would I, though I'd like to think so.. ?
or whether there is a petey in some log cabin... "she" says you're
coming along and doing some kind of hocus pocus and "you" say she has
done the same thing; and this has soured any chance of she or you and
her and you or you and her or me and you and her (or whatever
permutations you may decipher of this) and I ever have of ever becoming
close 'friends' .. and of course after grumps, well... sloppy seconds ya
know...
welcome... to your nightmare... but it's all yours... really you have it
all to yourself(ves).
Carlitos Crow
Dan wrote:
>
> > She just turned 13, silly!
>
> Actually, that's about the exact age I knew it would be... the others
> are a bit too young, even for you.
Actually, I spent yesterday with a four-year-old boy and a 18 month old
boy, and their dad, who happens to be a friend of mine... one of the
unfortunate ones.
>
> :-)
>
> > I drew her the picture on request...
>
> You requested thia of her;
You know what I meant! No, Dan, she asked me very brashly if I would do
her portrait; she's a very angry, brazen young thing.
that you pose her hither and thither and thus
> do your pic?
She posed. What's the big deal, Dan? She didn't take her clothes off.
It was only a portrait. Her friends always visit with her, they all
show up together at my studio door. Twinkies usually come in pairs,
don't they? Sometimes in fours, around here!
>
> > I gave
> > it to her for her birthday...
>
> Ever seen the semi-recent flick 'Cape Fear' where the strange and
> sociopathic DeNiro character corners the ummmm errrr 13 yr old chick
> Juliette Lewis (sp?) character, and are there filmed together in the
> school theater?
Nope. Maybe slider will discuss movies with you.
>
> > So much for her innocent childhood...
>
> Too bad you helped to rob her of it.
I s'pose, if you want to look at it that way. I guess it can't be
helped, can it?
>
> > She seems to have become another
> > twinkie overnight!
>
> right.. just another 'cream' filled kid... sick sick sick...
Yeah, I agree, Dan. I don't like the "twinkie" thing. It is sick. But
it's the world that does it to them, that makes them sick... that and
their own fear, I suppose. Not much I can do about that, is there? Or
you, either, for that matter.
>
> > The other kids don't seem to know how to handle
> > her...
>
> Not now...
No, but I don't s'pose this girl had much of a childhood anyhow... I
think she'd been abused long before I ever met her. It seems an
astounding number of them are. It's a small, nowhere sort of
end-of-the-road kind of a town I live in here... That's what I liked
about the place when I first set foot here over seventeen long years
ago, <yawn> but I must say, it's changed a lot since my wife and I
bought this run-down old place... I s'pose we were in the early part of
a wave of people moving out to such fringes, many of them young couples
like us from the cities back East, who then had families... The place
has become... Well, I really don't know what to tell a man from Detroit
what Sooke looks like... It's just about ruined, is all I can say.
What else is new? I ought to stay content with picking at your pet
stories from the no no rather than this whining on about the doom and
gloom I see everywhere.
>
> > but she hasn't been around much of late...
>
> You're lucky she doesn't get the cops on you...
What for? They know I'm here, and they know who I am, and what I do. I
don't bother anyone. I am here, and everything just sort of swirls all
around me, kids, babies, dogs <yuck>, girls, boys... occasionally I see
my wife... not much anymore. She's permanently angry, in one form or
another. There's nothing I can do about that, and of course I do
nothing. About that...
or someday get a real
> boyfriend who is going to seek you out and put a bullet in your head.
Anything's possible. Consider that it already happened then. So now
what? I haven't a head. Doh! Well, I'll be!
That sure lightened things up, didn't it? <snick> Maybe Rainbowbird
has a band-aid? Oh nurse... nurse...?
>
> ..and, of course it goes without saying, that she's not around much of
> late...
>
> > Well, we could go at it, poker and tongs, just for the sheer hell of it,
> > couldn't we?
>
> Yes I can. :-)
Well thankfully, Dan, at least someone here can! How happy I am to know
that! Shit! No shit!
>
> > (Not like anyone ever asks permission to spar here,
> > anyhow, do they?)
>
> You actually gave me "permission" to do exactly this in one of your
> inane emails to me.
Well, sure, I did, didn't I! That was rather inane of me, wasn't it? I
might as well just get permission right here for all to witness, (and
hopefully to laugh at) and simply skip all that silly email drivel.
Fine with me; I rather got the feeling that that was Rainbowbird's trip,
gettin' us into the email thingie together. Smart lady, huh! And now
we're right out here in this silly little excuse for a cybertown, right
where we can put on a fine show for the ladies... the "Miss L'amour's"
of who-knows-whose dreams. I suppose some of those men might step up
and add to the fray, once the audience has gathered.
>
> > > > You're a nit-wit.
> > >
> > > Rainbow is a babe, dude...
> >
> > She must love you for sayin' so.
>
> Whatever... she's (or he's, or you)
You don't know the difference between a woman and a man enough to
recognize one when you meet one in Shantytown?
Rainbowbird is a woman. Calling her a lady seems silly. What's a lady
anyhow, especially around here?
can't get close enough to ever
> really ever know... one and or both of you says you are afraid to be
> 'emotionally' close to anyone;;; this says it all if you ask me.
Gee, I don't say things like that, as a rule! And, bein' a liar and
all, it needn't be true, huh! You don't suppose lies prevent the truth
from being known, do you?
>
> > Yeah, you two make a good combo!
>
> Too intense, dude!
Okay, I believe you there. I won't make such references in future. (In
future... LOL I'll get the hang of it... Y2K comin' up!)
>
> > a total hot turbo-charged sweethearted good
> > > looking hot and totally sensual babe....
If you want to be rid of her, just stop tellin' her that.
> >
> > But once you've walked a couple of blocks throught the fair (LOL)
> > streets of Amsterdam...
>
> Never been there... so I wouldn't know... wouldn't even know if there
> really is a daniela there, now would I, though I'd like to think so.. ?
She's there, aren't you Rainbowbird? (Hangin' by a thread, mind you)
> or whether there is a petey in some log cabin...
Actually, Dan, you really must BE a seer, yourself, after all! The
weirdest thing here is, it seems to me, is the obvious fact that you
don't know it, and you may never know it either.
Yes, there is a "petey in some log cabin" Bingo! You hit the friggin'
jackpot there!
But there is also a Petey Crow, (moi) livin' in his studio behind the
still-run-down wooden house... with his two loving sons, and his
miserable, hateful wife....
Ah, it's a strange tale, but who knows how to tell it? We'll barely
scratch the surface...
"she" says you're
> coming along and doing some kind of hocus pocus
Oh yeah? I didn't get that email! No kidding! How magical! She must
be a genius!
and "you" say she has
> done the same thing; and this has soured any chance of she or you and
> her and you or you and her or me and you and her (or whatever
> permutations you may decipher of this) and I ever have of ever becoming
> close 'friends'
Well then, Dan. I guess Rainbowbird has successfully accomplished what
she set out to do then, and ought to feel very powerful and sure of her
great healings.
I came for friendship. You didn't, and neither did she. I guess you
are both after something else.
I've had a few good conversations with a few of the posters here over
the seventeen long months <yawn> that I've been here.
I say a few; it hasn't really been many. The first poster to be really
nice, really friendly, on the surface, anyway, was Cat. Things went
sour when I told her that don Juan wasn't interested to see her in a
"dream" I had. We patched it up a bit, but we've parted company,
really, haven't we, and I've moved on to have conversations with other
posters, including you.
It took awhile to begin to have free-flowing fun and laughs with Randy,
and EE, and I had a real struggle trying to communicate clearly with
Spike/Grumpy/Robot, although I enjoyed that a lot...it was well worth
it. I've had a couple cryptic and long conversations with henry, who
has yet to have a longer chat with anyone here...(except with Helen,
perhaps)
All in all, I was beginning to feel some potentially wonderful
friendships forming here, and of course that's a nice, if not rather
luxurious feeling to have.
I guess I've gone and spoiled most of them now. So now what am I here
for, I wonder?
I guess it isn't friendship. What are you here for, Dan? Anything in
particular? Or is it just an amusing escape from the tyranny of
day-to-day pressures of living?
.. and of course after grumps, well... sloppy seconds ya
> know...
>
> welcome... to your nightmare... but it's all yours... really you have it
> all to yourself(ves).
Always did. So I talk to myself. I don't mind. sure, it's lonely; you
all know that, and no one likes being lonely.
But I don't like misery any better.
Praise be, here's the spirit to take me.....
Crow
rainbowbird
> Never been there... so I wouldn't know... wouldn't even know if there
> really is a daniela there, now would I, though I'd like to think so.. ?
> or whether there is a petey in some log cabin... "she" says you're
> coming along and doing some kind of hocus pocus and "you" say she has
> done the same thing; and this has soured any chance of she or you and
> her and you or you and her or me and you and her (or whatever
> permutations you may decipher of this) and I ever have of ever becoming
> close 'friends' .. and of course after grumps, well... sloppy seconds ya
> know...
>
> welcome... to your nightmare... but it's all yours... really you have it
> all to yourself(ves).
What a bummer.:)
RBB
Dan
>
> RBB
a bummer with a smile?
It's certainly not my bummer in any case.
But, whatever and whichever way you wish to view it all is fine and okey
dokey by me... all I am is an average man in a very real yet extremely
mysterious world but in this situation, I do have a few advantages over
you 'sorcerer' types.
All I'm saying really, that post you replied to, is that I'm not getting
dragged (at least willingly) into some mid-point between two other
dueling persona's on a computer screen in a whacky newsgroup which sits
in a make-believe dusty town existing in the outter badlands of your
pysche.
That's the part that's *your* "bummer".
fool me once, shame on you... fool me twice, shame on me sort of
thing... I've been caught up once in a similar situation in this
puterland thingie, but I ain't going there again.
And if you're, or he is, or whoever is, playing 'sorcery' games, and
you're including me in it to help you win some nutty 'battle', then fuck
you both or one and all and all that sort of stuff... and also the horse
or donkey you rode in on; and I'm coming out the door now, hear me! and
I'll shoot anyone out there, and I'll also get your wives and husbands
and children and pets and burn your houses down too! Nahh, just kidding
about that, but I really get a kick out of that line of Clint Eastwood's
in 'The Unforgiven.' I'll have to definetely remember and use that one
for some future use in an edited fashion in a real world situation.
:-)
Carlitos Crow
:?)
(psst, I hear ya!)
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