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chris rodgers
Aug 13, 2021, 12:40:42 PM8/13/21
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i wonder how well shorty would have done if Michael Korda
had NOT bought the rights to the first book? They made big
money off our graduate student. They got paid, he got paid,
the public got fucked. Korda swore that he believed every
word of what Castaneda wrote/said. Too bad he made such a bad
decision to believe the world class bullshit artist. Korda
croaked a few years ago (2017). I wonder deep down if he
ever came to his senses? Of course he would have to admit
that he was part (a big part) of the scam.
had NOT bought the rights to the first book? They made big
money off our graduate student. They got paid, he got paid,
the public got fucked. Korda swore that he believed every
word of what Castaneda wrote/said. Too bad he made such a bad
decision to believe the world class bullshit artist. Korda
croaked a few years ago (2017). I wonder deep down if he
ever came to his senses? Of course he would have to admit
that he was part (a big part) of the scam.
slider
Aug 13, 2021, 12:53:21 PM8/13/21
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chriso wrote...
### - oh dear... maybe mr chips HAS gots dementia LOL ! :)))
chris rodgers
Aug 13, 2021, 12:58:51 PM8/13/21
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> ### - oh dear... maybe mr chips HAS gots dementia LOL ! :)))
respond to the post or fuck off.
slider
Aug 13, 2021, 1:16:45 PM8/13/21
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gettin' more direct in his old age haha wrote...
>> - oh dear... maybe mr chips HAS gots dementia LOL ! :)))
>
> respond to the post or fuck off.
### - that WAS my response! and says it all really? (i didn't even change
the subject)
i.e., stop livin' the past bud, like that was now more than 20 fuckin'
YEARS ago already!? (20 years wow)
so no one gives a shit about that OLD cult you once belonged to by now
huh...
it's all moved-on quite a lot since then and such regrets are lame...
try and live in the present a bit more, or didn't you learn your lesson??
that it's the cult of 'society' ya gots to try and get out of now! (the
mofo of all cults)
but lol will he make it??
place yer bets!
it's a bit of a longshot tho' ;)
>> - oh dear... maybe mr chips HAS gots dementia LOL ! :)))
>
> respond to the post or fuck off.
the subject)
i.e., stop livin' the past bud, like that was now more than 20 fuckin'
YEARS ago already!? (20 years wow)
so no one gives a shit about that OLD cult you once belonged to by now
huh...
it's all moved-on quite a lot since then and such regrets are lame...
try and live in the present a bit more, or didn't you learn your lesson??
that it's the cult of 'society' ya gots to try and get out of now! (the
mofo of all cults)
but lol will he make it??
place yer bets!
it's a bit of a longshot tho' ;)
chris rodgers
Aug 13, 2021, 3:18:07 PM8/13/21
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slider wrote:
> gettin' more direct in his old age haha wrote...
ha! you should have seen me about 40 years ago.
> gettin' more direct in his old age haha wrote...
Your head would be torn off by now, lol!
> ### - that WAS my response! and says it all really? (i didn't even change
> the subject)
You're still acting like a 'gull'.
> i.e., stop livin' the past bud, like that was now more than 20 fuckin'
> YEARS ago already!? (20 years wow)
Show me your evidence of what YOU got, ok?
You got nothing, no proof whatsoever.
> so no one gives a shit about that OLD cult you once belonged to by now
> huh...
> it's all moved-on quite a lot since then and such regrets are lame...
> try and live in the present a bit more, or didn't you learn your lesson??
> that it's the cult of 'society' ya gots to try and get out of now! (the
> mofo of all cults)
you would be embarrassed to hell.
so the guy that still thinks wake induced dream are WILD
and not really out of body experiences? Is that right coach?
Dude out of body experiences have been around alot longer
than you. Perhaps you don't know where it's at afterall eh?
Writing a book doesn't make it so but you can try. good luck!
slider
Aug 13, 2021, 4:51:51 PM8/13/21
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still barkin' instead of reasoning wrote...
> slider wrote:
>> gettin' more direct in his old age haha wrote...
>
> ha! you should have seen me about 40 years ago.
> Your head would be torn off by now, lol!
### - yeah, you keep making such veiled threats innit, wants to rip me a
new one eh?
so lol wtf did i ever do to... you??
>> ### - that WAS my response! and says it all really? (i didn't even
>> change
>> the subject)
>
> That was your silly shit reaction you mean.
> You're still acting like a 'gull'.
### - the fact that you didn't understand my response isn't exactly my
fault haha, there was a time when i used to go to exorbitant lengths to
explain and break things down for ya, showed ya every consideration etc,
but that time has now passed (since ya told me to fuck of that is lol) and
so from now on you'll just have to take it as it comes pal regardless of
your shitty cynical mood painting everything black... perhaps if you
weren't so goddamn self-important you wouldn't get so angry huh, there's
no room for big indignant egos here ya know ;)
>> i.e., stop livin' the past bud, like that was now more than 20 fuckin'
>> YEARS ago already!? (20 years wow)
>
> i'm right here, right now motherfucker.
> Show me your evidence of what YOU got, ok?
> You got nothing, no proof whatsoever.
### - proof of what already, that you're still pissing & moaning about how
big bad cc ripped you and everyone off? oh poor little youuuu LOL !
(crackin' up laffing at mr chips feelin' sooo sorry for himself haha...
poor baby syndrome!)
>> so no one gives a shit about that OLD cult you once belonged to by now
>> huh...
>
> i didn't belong to nothing. so you can kiss my ass.
### - you belonged so why deny it? were even part of his 'special' sunday
classes weren't you? one of the inner in-crowd? didn't belong my ass lol,
are you REALLY that ashamed to admit it?? :)))
>> it's all moved-on quite a lot since then and such regrets are lame...
>
> there's no fucking regrets here. I moved on way before he croaked.
### - your current anger and resentment belies your denial? plus i clearly
remember you well before he died, how you were and how you held
yourself... and you seemed to be doin' alright sitting under cc's shadow
hah, imho he was actually good for ya! you were making quite the sincere
effort to be a decent human being! i even still recall our very first
encounter in that nagual chatroom haha... you were so self-possessed and
even kinda dashing heh, and also quite generous to invite a total stranger
(moi) to come to 'this' place to see what's going down here, haha i was
impressed and liked ya straight away, and that's why i came :)))
>> try and live in the present a bit more, or didn't you learn your
>> lesson??
>
> save your speech for a naive newager. I got your lesson right here
> pally.
### - the 'lesson' you were given (via cc) re belonging to cults and how
they operate ya fool lol, don't be so dense! your anger (i.e.,
self-importance) is blinding you to what am actually saying heh, just take
'you' outta the equation and all will become clear :)))
>> that it's the cult of 'society' ya gots to try and get out of now! (the
>> mofo of all cults)
>
> don't be fucking stupid. If you knew anything about how cult operates
> you would be embarrassed to hell.
### - already told ya that my 'real' daddy was part of the team that
helped deprogram the jim jones cult survivors, didn't i? well then,
methinks i might just know something about how cults operate, which afaic
is exactly the same as how society works too - or where ELSE did ya think
they gots it all from in the first place if not from how society itself
operates?? duh! (you're a little slow sometime ain'tcha huh)
al capone, for example, complained that he was only doin' what 'they'
(society) was doing?
it's all the same thing in many forms twisted this way or the other, see?
;)
> so the guy that still thinks wake induced dream are WILD
> and not really out of body experiences? Is that right coach?
### - i have no idea... i didn't invent the term 'WILD' - laberge did?
my personal opinion (and am only speculating here) is that it's actually
all the same thing albeit approached from different angles, thus seemingly
producing different effects that people have then called/labeled one thing
or another...
the practice of WILDing, however, reveals aspects of the whole thing that
suggests it's all actually only the same effect/thing: an inbuilt natural
ability to enter at-will and on demand into an altered state of awareness
(you've even experienced it your self 3 or 4 times now so no need for moi
to describe it) something which to all extents and purposes appears like
being in a lucid dreaming state, the difference with WILDs being the
'extra' options that are also available (such as there being a midway
point) that doesn't appear to be available via those others forms/modes...
iow: WILDs in and of themselves are more revealing about the whole nature
of lucid dreaming and states of altered awareness in general...
my personal feeling being to say/suggest that WILDs are the full monty of
lucid dreaming wherein everything about it is revealed instead of
obscured... iow: WILD enough times deliberately and it all becomes very
clear exactly what lucid dreaming actually is and means...
> Dude out of body experiences have been around alot longer
> than you. Perhaps you don't know where it's at afterall eh?
> Writing a book doesn't make it so but you can try. good luck!
### - even laberge didn't 'invent' WILDs, he only invented a modern name
for a very old + known effect, i.e., he scientifically proved that lucid
dreaming was a thing and waking dreams were part of it (dilds & wilds) and
thus brought the whole subject out of occult literature and into the
scientific realm thus making it available to the general public for the
first time...
all i've personally done is to add a little something to that (the use of
hypnagogia to enter it + a small map of the midway point itself)
have never claimed it was new... in fact i've openly suggested it's
actually incredibly old :)
> slider wrote:
>> gettin' more direct in his old age haha wrote...
>
> ha! you should have seen me about 40 years ago.
> Your head would be torn off by now, lol!
new one eh?
so lol wtf did i ever do to... you??
>> ### - that WAS my response! and says it all really? (i didn't even
>> change
>> the subject)
>
> That was your silly shit reaction you mean.
> You're still acting like a 'gull'.
fault haha, there was a time when i used to go to exorbitant lengths to
explain and break things down for ya, showed ya every consideration etc,
but that time has now passed (since ya told me to fuck of that is lol) and
so from now on you'll just have to take it as it comes pal regardless of
your shitty cynical mood painting everything black... perhaps if you
weren't so goddamn self-important you wouldn't get so angry huh, there's
no room for big indignant egos here ya know ;)
>> i.e., stop livin' the past bud, like that was now more than 20 fuckin'
>> YEARS ago already!? (20 years wow)
>
> i'm right here, right now motherfucker.
> Show me your evidence of what YOU got, ok?
> You got nothing, no proof whatsoever.
big bad cc ripped you and everyone off? oh poor little youuuu LOL !
(crackin' up laffing at mr chips feelin' sooo sorry for himself haha...
poor baby syndrome!)
>> so no one gives a shit about that OLD cult you once belonged to by now
>> huh...
>
> i didn't belong to nothing. so you can kiss my ass.
classes weren't you? one of the inner in-crowd? didn't belong my ass lol,
are you REALLY that ashamed to admit it?? :)))
>> it's all moved-on quite a lot since then and such regrets are lame...
>
> there's no fucking regrets here. I moved on way before he croaked.
remember you well before he died, how you were and how you held
yourself... and you seemed to be doin' alright sitting under cc's shadow
hah, imho he was actually good for ya! you were making quite the sincere
effort to be a decent human being! i even still recall our very first
encounter in that nagual chatroom haha... you were so self-possessed and
even kinda dashing heh, and also quite generous to invite a total stranger
(moi) to come to 'this' place to see what's going down here, haha i was
impressed and liked ya straight away, and that's why i came :)))
>> try and live in the present a bit more, or didn't you learn your
>> lesson??
>
> save your speech for a naive newager. I got your lesson right here
> pally.
they operate ya fool lol, don't be so dense! your anger (i.e.,
self-importance) is blinding you to what am actually saying heh, just take
'you' outta the equation and all will become clear :)))
>> that it's the cult of 'society' ya gots to try and get out of now! (the
>> mofo of all cults)
>
> don't be fucking stupid. If you knew anything about how cult operates
> you would be embarrassed to hell.
helped deprogram the jim jones cult survivors, didn't i? well then,
methinks i might just know something about how cults operate, which afaic
is exactly the same as how society works too - or where ELSE did ya think
they gots it all from in the first place if not from how society itself
operates?? duh! (you're a little slow sometime ain'tcha huh)
al capone, for example, complained that he was only doin' what 'they'
(society) was doing?
it's all the same thing in many forms twisted this way or the other, see?
;)
> so the guy that still thinks wake induced dream are WILD
> and not really out of body experiences? Is that right coach?
my personal opinion (and am only speculating here) is that it's actually
all the same thing albeit approached from different angles, thus seemingly
producing different effects that people have then called/labeled one thing
or another...
the practice of WILDing, however, reveals aspects of the whole thing that
suggests it's all actually only the same effect/thing: an inbuilt natural
ability to enter at-will and on demand into an altered state of awareness
(you've even experienced it your self 3 or 4 times now so no need for moi
to describe it) something which to all extents and purposes appears like
being in a lucid dreaming state, the difference with WILDs being the
'extra' options that are also available (such as there being a midway
point) that doesn't appear to be available via those others forms/modes...
iow: WILDs in and of themselves are more revealing about the whole nature
of lucid dreaming and states of altered awareness in general...
my personal feeling being to say/suggest that WILDs are the full monty of
lucid dreaming wherein everything about it is revealed instead of
obscured... iow: WILD enough times deliberately and it all becomes very
clear exactly what lucid dreaming actually is and means...
> Dude out of body experiences have been around alot longer
> than you. Perhaps you don't know where it's at afterall eh?
> Writing a book doesn't make it so but you can try. good luck!
for a very old + known effect, i.e., he scientifically proved that lucid
dreaming was a thing and waking dreams were part of it (dilds & wilds) and
thus brought the whole subject out of occult literature and into the
scientific realm thus making it available to the general public for the
first time...
all i've personally done is to add a little something to that (the use of
hypnagogia to enter it + a small map of the midway point itself)
have never claimed it was new... in fact i've openly suggested it's
actually incredibly old :)
chris rodgers
Aug 13, 2021, 7:07:33 PM8/13/21
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slider wrote:
> ### - yeah, you keep making such veiled threats innit, wants to rip me a
> new one eh?
it's not a threat meathead, you're not that important.
> ### - yeah, you keep making such veiled threats innit, wants to rip me a
> new one eh?
I'm just saying i could do it (if i wanted to) but i don't give a shit anymore.
and you're not worth it.
> so lol wtf did i ever do to... you??
see? you full of nothing.
> ### - the fact that you didn't understand my response isn't exactly my
> fault haha, there was a time when i used to go to exorbitant lengths to
> explain and break things down for ya, showed ya every consideration etc,
> but that time has now passed (since ya told me to fuck of that is lol) and
> so from now on you'll just have to take it as it comes pal regardless of
> your shitty cynical mood painting everything black... perhaps if you
> weren't so goddamn self-important you wouldn't get so angry huh, there's
> no room for big indignant egos here ya know ;)
> ### - proof of what already, that you're still pissing & moaning about how
> big bad cc ripped you and everyone off? oh poor little youuuu LOL !
> (crackin' up laffing at mr chips feelin' sooo sorry for himself haha...
> poor baby syndrome!)
what he wrote as something to follow?
> > i didn't belong to nothing. so you can kiss my ass.
> ### - you belonged so why deny it? were even part of his 'special' sunday
> classes weren't you?
ha ha. i never went to any 'class'.
one of the inner in-crowd? didn't belong my ass lol,
> are you REALLY that ashamed to admit it?? :)))
> ### - your current anger and resentment belies your denial? plus i clearly
> remember you well before he died, how you were and how you held
> yourself... and you seemed to be doin' alright sitting under cc's shadow
> hah, imho he was actually good for ya! you were making quite the sincere
> effort to be a decent human being! i even still recall our very first
> encounter in that nagual chatroom haha... you were so self-possessed and
> even kinda dashing heh, and also quite generous to invite a total stranger
> (moi) to come to 'this' place to see what's going down here, haha i was
> impressed and liked ya straight away, and that's why i came :)))
> ### - the 'lesson' you were given (via cc) re belonging to cults and how
> they operate ya fool lol, don't be so dense! your anger (i.e.,
> self-importance) is blinding you to what am actually saying heh, just take
> 'you' outta the equation and all will become clear :)))
being a flaming pendajo.
> ### - already told ya that my 'real' daddy was part of the team that
> helped deprogram the jim jones cult survivors, didn't i? well then,
just stop 'believing'. game over just like that. no snake oil needed.
viola ! :)
> methinks i might just know something about how cults operate, which afaic
> is exactly the same as how society works too - or where ELSE did ya think
> they gots it all from in the first place if not from how society itself
> operates?? duh! (you're a little slow sometime ain'tcha huh)
you only read about them. Big difference between reading & living amigo.
> my personal opinion (and am only speculating here) is that it's actually
> all the same thing albeit approached from different angles, thus seemingly
> producing different effects that people have then called/labeled one thing
> or another...
> the practice of WILDing, however, reveals aspects of the whole thing that
> suggests it's all actually only the same effect/thing: an inbuilt natural
> ability to enter at-will and on demand into an altered state of awareness
> (you've even experienced it your self 3 or 4 times now so no need for moi
> to describe it) something which to all extents and purposes appears like
> being in a lucid dreaming state, the difference with WILDs being the
> 'extra' options that are also available (such as there being a midway
> point) that doesn't appear to be available via those others forms/modes...
> iow: WILDs in and of themselves are more revealing about the whole nature
> of lucid dreaming and states of altered awareness in general...
> my personal feeling being to say/suggest that WILDs are the full monty of
> lucid dreaming wherein everything about it is revealed instead of
> obscured... iow: WILD enough times deliberately and it all becomes very
> clear exactly what lucid dreaming actually is and means...
> ### - even laberge didn't 'invent' WILDs, he only invented a modern name
> for a very old + known effect, i.e., he scientifically proved that lucid
> dreaming was a thing and waking dreams were part of it (dilds & wilds) and
> thus brought the whole subject out of occult literature and into the
> scientific realm thus making it available to the general public for the
> first time...
> all i've personally done is to add a little something to that (the use of
> hypnagogia to enter it + a small map of the midway point itself)
> have never claimed it was new... in fact i've openly suggested it's
> actually incredibly old :)
i tend to think that dreaming (all forms of dreaming) is like entering a library
> for a very old + known effect, i.e., he scientifically proved that lucid
> dreaming was a thing and waking dreams were part of it (dilds & wilds) and
> thus brought the whole subject out of occult literature and into the
> scientific realm thus making it available to the general public for the
> first time...
> all i've personally done is to add a little something to that (the use of
> hypnagogia to enter it + a small map of the midway point itself)
> have never claimed it was new... in fact i've openly suggested it's
> actually incredibly old :)
of preloaded pictures that somehow we access and it gets played in our head.
Notice that the dream has a mind of its own until we get lucid or awake in the
dream and then it can be altered. But what or who set up the show? And don't
say it was the dreamer as if it concocted all this stuff on the spot when you go to
sleep. There's never a shortage of dreams, think of it. Here i am a 73 year old
fart and i'm still making shit up every night that i don't have a fucking clue about.
They never make much sense. For the most part you forget 98% by noon anyhow.
IF mankind has been doing this drill for 100,000 years, how come we are still
dumb as a rug? We don't learn very fast. Here's the best line: "it was just a dream".
Yeah useless as ever, same as it ever was, my ship will come in some day, and Jesus/
God will finally love and accept us. Sure pal, you keep dreaming that shit.
no wonder shorty said "fuck god himself". the best thing he ever said and it's useless.
slider
Aug 13, 2021, 7:38:07 PM8/13/21
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gets more reasonable in the end wrote...
(so am snipping all the useless personal crap...)
### - methinks ordinary random dreams are us just still talking away to
ourselves while we're asleep, our imagination auto-spinning the various
scenarios which we then also react to as those thoughts play out, the
weirdness of which immediately clears up/goes-away the very moment one
becomes lucid...
iow: that's the exact same kinds of random shit that's more or less
continually going through our minds all the time we're awake too, a
reflection of it, random musings about random things on & on like that all
day long lol, this interspersed with occasional but rare moments of
lucidity before we again wander-off into mindless musings about crap
haha... a 24/7 condition
get more lucid in our random dreams, however, and it has the knock-on
effect of producing more & more moments of similar/corresponding lucidity
during the day too... which 'could' be useful...
the main point being that lucid dreaming is thus a clue that a
corresponding lucidity is also available during waking as well, that such
a thing exists to aim for and to experience...
e.g., (and this is very old indeed) - what is the sound of one hand
clapping?
the answer being: thought-less-ness, or, inner silence = lucidity of a
different order during waking...
quite simples really :)
(so am snipping all the useless personal crap...)
ourselves while we're asleep, our imagination auto-spinning the various
scenarios which we then also react to as those thoughts play out, the
weirdness of which immediately clears up/goes-away the very moment one
becomes lucid...
iow: that's the exact same kinds of random shit that's more or less
continually going through our minds all the time we're awake too, a
reflection of it, random musings about random things on & on like that all
day long lol, this interspersed with occasional but rare moments of
lucidity before we again wander-off into mindless musings about crap
haha... a 24/7 condition
get more lucid in our random dreams, however, and it has the knock-on
effect of producing more & more moments of similar/corresponding lucidity
during the day too... which 'could' be useful...
the main point being that lucid dreaming is thus a clue that a
corresponding lucidity is also available during waking as well, that such
a thing exists to aim for and to experience...
e.g., (and this is very old indeed) - what is the sound of one hand
clapping?
the answer being: thought-less-ness, or, inner silence = lucidity of a
different order during waking...
quite simples really :)
o'Mahoney
Aug 14, 2021, 8:12:33 AM8/14/21
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On Sat, 14 Aug 2021 00:38:03 +0100, slider <sli...@anashram.com>
wrote:
Nope. You're overcomplicating stuff here.
Let's look at the facts. We sleep to provide down time for the body
to rejuvenate from the day's labours. In lizard times, primordial
times, ancient times, prehistoric times, the day's labours involved
killing prey for food and avoiding being killed by predators for food.
That's a fact.
Part of the down time is/was to provide the brain, that most vital
organ, with opportunity to stop thinking (about getting food an
avoiding being food) so that buildup of amyloid on synapses and
cognate stuff could be shed and removed by our brain lymphatic system,
called the cerebrospinal fluid system. Sleep is needed for this
function to occur.
Dreaming, that vital part of sleep, is a tremor of the brain which
induces the removal of amyloid and other nasty proteins from the
synapses into the CSF so the guck can be drained away and the brain
refreshed and cleaned for another day's hard work killing food and
avoiding being killed for food.
Dreaming is random memories and artifacts woven into nothing special
and nothing meaningful, simply to shake the synapses so that the
clinging amyloids and so on can be removed and drained during the
night. Amyloid, when not adroitly and efficiently removed, becomes
the bedrock of Alzheimer's Disease.
Dreaming is nothing special and nothing meaningful. Any accidents
which result in anything meaningful (such as Kekule's dream of the
benzene ring) are just that, accidental.
So as you say, Brian...
Quite simples, really :)
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wrote:
Let's look at the facts. We sleep to provide down time for the body
to rejuvenate from the day's labours. In lizard times, primordial
times, ancient times, prehistoric times, the day's labours involved
killing prey for food and avoiding being killed by predators for food.
That's a fact.
Part of the down time is/was to provide the brain, that most vital
organ, with opportunity to stop thinking (about getting food an
avoiding being food) so that buildup of amyloid on synapses and
cognate stuff could be shed and removed by our brain lymphatic system,
called the cerebrospinal fluid system. Sleep is needed for this
function to occur.
Dreaming, that vital part of sleep, is a tremor of the brain which
induces the removal of amyloid and other nasty proteins from the
synapses into the CSF so the guck can be drained away and the brain
refreshed and cleaned for another day's hard work killing food and
avoiding being killed for food.
Dreaming is random memories and artifacts woven into nothing special
and nothing meaningful, simply to shake the synapses so that the
clinging amyloids and so on can be removed and drained during the
night. Amyloid, when not adroitly and efficiently removed, becomes
the bedrock of Alzheimer's Disease.
Dreaming is nothing special and nothing meaningful. Any accidents
which result in anything meaningful (such as Kekule's dream of the
benzene ring) are just that, accidental.
So as you say, Brian...
Quite simples, really :)
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chris rodgers
Aug 14, 2021, 8:59:33 AM8/14/21
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so after about 50 years of farting around with this stuff one comes to a
conclusion: where's the beef?? where's the payoff here or the gain?
Oh, no gain? what the fuck, what am i doing then??
turns out that maybe at best you're just punching the clown
thinking something great is gonna come through dreaming.
Where is the homerun or the grand slam.?
conclusion: where's the beef?? where's the payoff here or the gain?
Oh, no gain? what the fuck, what am i doing then??
turns out that maybe at best you're just punching the clown
thinking something great is gonna come through dreaming.
Where is the homerun or the grand slam.?
o'Mahoney
Aug 14, 2021, 9:08:58 AM8/14/21
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Fixed it for you...
chris rodgers
Aug 14, 2021, 10:36:40 AM8/14/21
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it's the Walter Mitty in you that makes you play this game.
sounds like a neil young lyric don't it? ha ha
sounds like a neil young lyric don't it? ha ha
slider
Aug 14, 2021, 10:45:37 AM8/14/21
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On Sat, 14 Aug 2021 13:59:32 +0100, chris rodgers <allre...@gmail.com>
wrote:
### - the merchant mind does commerce and thus 'expects' results in sole
terms of profit, gain and/or loss... the fact that people think
exclusively in such terms unfortunately (or perhaps even deliberately)
limits the scope of their activities and horizons to the world of reason &
rationality alone...
thus the 'effects' of lucid dreaming (a strictly non-rational pursuit)
can't really be weighed/valued in terms of gain or loss, it's actually
about something else entirely: it pertains to a wholly different side to
our nature that to this day remains relatively unexplored & mapped, all we
consciously know about being in the realm of vague myths & weird legends...
in your other post (which am also gonna reply to) you merely 'rationalise'
it all, something which in effect only removes you from the possibility of
ever exploring/probing it further; rationally it's all nonsense and
meaningless so why bother because there's no profit in it etc etc... so
the computer just says: No.
iow: there's really only one way to understand it and that's by actually
'doing' it...
'understanding' it then, initially follows along behind the experience
itself, until after a few experiences wondering and understanding begin to
coincide and thus one begins to realise the answers while still only
asking the questions... questions about life, the universe & everything,
and of oneself being alive within it all begins to take on new meaning...
that what such an experience 'leads' to (or results in then) is thus a
completely different knowledge-set, one not based on clumsily figuring
things out but on a form of 'direct-knowing'
which i realise sounds preposterous to the rational mind (after all,
there's no profit in it so why bother etc), that is until one finally
realises that this 'alternate' knowledge-set is actually 'inclusive' of
the standard set and as such is vastly larger than it!
perforce the ONLY way to REALLY understand all this is to experience it
oneself...
that because it's innate (like walking is innate but still has to be
learned) it's not that difficult to do and takes relatively little effort
by comparison (on average 2 weeks to make the initial breakthrough) after
which one is then in the perfect position to assess it all for oneself
rather than taking someone's word for anything...
to get started, however, you have my book and also the walkthrough videos
(videos 1 through 4 is all someone needs to get started = 30 or 40 minutes
of video), after which it'll all look very different indeed... the only
reason i published it/them being the discovery of a surprisingly more
rapid and reliable means of accessing it via hypnagogic images...
try it and then join the debate ;)
wrote:
terms of profit, gain and/or loss... the fact that people think
exclusively in such terms unfortunately (or perhaps even deliberately)
limits the scope of their activities and horizons to the world of reason &
rationality alone...
thus the 'effects' of lucid dreaming (a strictly non-rational pursuit)
can't really be weighed/valued in terms of gain or loss, it's actually
about something else entirely: it pertains to a wholly different side to
our nature that to this day remains relatively unexplored & mapped, all we
consciously know about being in the realm of vague myths & weird legends...
in your other post (which am also gonna reply to) you merely 'rationalise'
it all, something which in effect only removes you from the possibility of
ever exploring/probing it further; rationally it's all nonsense and
meaningless so why bother because there's no profit in it etc etc... so
the computer just says: No.
iow: there's really only one way to understand it and that's by actually
'doing' it...
'understanding' it then, initially follows along behind the experience
itself, until after a few experiences wondering and understanding begin to
coincide and thus one begins to realise the answers while still only
asking the questions... questions about life, the universe & everything,
and of oneself being alive within it all begins to take on new meaning...
that what such an experience 'leads' to (or results in then) is thus a
completely different knowledge-set, one not based on clumsily figuring
things out but on a form of 'direct-knowing'
which i realise sounds preposterous to the rational mind (after all,
there's no profit in it so why bother etc), that is until one finally
realises that this 'alternate' knowledge-set is actually 'inclusive' of
the standard set and as such is vastly larger than it!
perforce the ONLY way to REALLY understand all this is to experience it
oneself...
that because it's innate (like walking is innate but still has to be
learned) it's not that difficult to do and takes relatively little effort
by comparison (on average 2 weeks to make the initial breakthrough) after
which one is then in the perfect position to assess it all for oneself
rather than taking someone's word for anything...
to get started, however, you have my book and also the walkthrough videos
(videos 1 through 4 is all someone needs to get started = 30 or 40 minutes
of video), after which it'll all look very different indeed... the only
reason i published it/them being the discovery of a surprisingly more
rapid and reliable means of accessing it via hypnagogic images...
try it and then join the debate ;)
slider
Aug 14, 2021, 10:59:34 AM8/14/21
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On Sat, 14 Aug 2021 13:12:26 +0100, o'Mahoney <liber...@south.south.com>
wrote:
### - very simple heh, so simple in fact it's forcing a complete rewrite
of everything scientists currently 'think' they know about sleep &
dreaming, which perforce includes all of the above rationalisations ;)
i.e., your whole above argument is thus singularly composed from the very
similar pov of that which existed before galileo arrived on the scene to
point out that the sun doesn't in fact revolve around the earth and that
the complete opposite is true...
everyone (except the church because they realised the dire implications of
it) thought he was nuts haha ;)
only he wasn't actually nuts was he heh - THEY were the one's who were
nuts :)))
wrote:
of everything scientists currently 'think' they know about sleep &
dreaming, which perforce includes all of the above rationalisations ;)
i.e., your whole above argument is thus singularly composed from the very
similar pov of that which existed before galileo arrived on the scene to
point out that the sun doesn't in fact revolve around the earth and that
the complete opposite is true...
everyone (except the church because they realised the dire implications of
it) thought he was nuts haha ;)
only he wasn't actually nuts was he heh - THEY were the one's who were
nuts :)))
chris rodgers
Aug 14, 2021, 12:09:10 PM8/14/21
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> ### - the merchant mind does commerce and thus 'expects' results in sole
> terms of profit, gain and/or loss... the fact that people think
> exclusively in such terms unfortunately (or perhaps even deliberately)
> limits the scope of their activities and horizons to the world of reason &
> rationality alone...
oh bullshit, you sound like some dufus new age bullshit artist.
> terms of profit, gain and/or loss... the fact that people think
> exclusively in such terms unfortunately (or perhaps even deliberately)
> limits the scope of their activities and horizons to the world of reason &
> rationality alone...
> thus the 'effects' of lucid dreaming (a strictly non-rational pursuit)
> can't really be weighed/valued in terms of gain or loss, it's actually
> about something else entirely: it pertains to a wholly different side to
> our nature that to this day remains relatively unexplored & mapped, all we
> consciously know about being in the realm of vague myths & weird legends...
time and never hit paydirt? No fucking way. They have sense enough to
move on. Do think Babe Ruth would get a chance to bat IF all he ever did
was strike out? No fucking way, he would be riding the pine (sitting on the bench)
> in your other post (which am also gonna reply to) you merely 'rationalise'
> it all, something which in effect only removes you from the possibility of
> ever exploring/probing it further; rationally it's all nonsense and
> meaningless so why bother because there's no profit in it etc etc... so
> the computer just says: No.
Jim Jones rap, Chuck Manson talk, fill in your favorite cult leader here.
> 'understanding' it then, initially follows along behind the experience
> itself, until after a few experiences wondering and understanding begin to
> coincide and thus one begins to realise the answers while still only
> asking the questions... questions about life, the universe & everything,
> and of oneself being alive within it all begins to take on new meaning...
are going to question what the fuck you're saying. No suckcess like failure.
> that what such an experience 'leads' to (or results in then) is thus a
> completely different knowledge-set, one not based on clumsily figuring
> things out but on a form of 'direct-knowing'
> which i realise sounds preposterous to the rational mind (after all,
> there's no profit in it so why bother etc), that is until one finally
> realises that this 'alternate' knowledge-set is actually 'inclusive' of
> the standard set and as such is vastly larger than it!
your Nikes?
> perforce the ONLY way to REALLY understand all this is to experience it
> oneself...
> that because it's innate (like walking is innate but still has to be
> learned) it's not that difficult to do and takes relatively little effort
> by comparison (on average 2 weeks to make the initial breakthrough) after
> which one is then in the perfect position to assess it all for oneself
> rather than taking someone's word for anything...
> to get started, however, you have my book and also the walkthrough videos
> (videos 1 through 4 is all someone needs to get started = 30 or 40 minutes
> of video), after which it'll all look very different indeed... the only
> reason i published it/them being the discovery of a surprisingly more
> rapid and reliable means of accessing it via hypnagogic images...
> try it and then join the debate ;)
Nothing, nothing but Walter Mitty train to nowhere. All aboard? Fuck no!
oh and btw, nothing personal here, just calling a spade a spade.
slider
Aug 14, 2021, 2:08:26 PM8/14/21
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still crazy after all these tears wrote :)
> oh bullshit, you sound like some dufus new age bullshit artist.
and, in a once obviously far more lucid and less snippy mood... chris once
wrote:
allreadygone wrote... Mar 2, 2016,
the great thing about the book Slider is that you only
discuss the process of WILD without going into
contents of dream. you stay out the area of the
dreamer's world of dreaming. Each dreamer is different.
Who knows what any one person can find in dreaming?
This will prevent you from ever becoming a cult.
This is the highest honor i can bestow upon you.
As though i would ever have any authority over anything.
I can barely tie my shoes some mornings, lol!
***
smile, ya appear to be awarding yourself a bit 'more' authority these days
then huh, more than you perhaps deserve?
but methinks we wants the OLD chris back, the less cynical, shitty and
morose one...
coz the NEW chris is shit lol :D
(i.e., don't be a dumbass hypocrite maan, you're bigger than that...)
> oh bullshit, you sound like some dufus new age bullshit artist.
> you're sounding like a chicken shit cult leader now.
> Jim Jones rap, Chuck Manson talk, fill in your favorite cult leader
> here.
> Jim Jones rap, Chuck Manson talk, fill in your favorite cult leader
> here.
> yeah but where's the fucking beef? Sooner or later your followers
> are going to question what the fuck you're saying. No suckcess like
> failure.
>
> are going to question what the fuck you're saying. No suckcess like
> failure.
>
> means nothing. idle head spinning. blah blah, listen to me i'm the
> messiah.
>
> messiah.
>
> look behind you right now, how many people are following you besides
> your Nikes?
> your Nikes?
> show me your 'winners'? where are they and what have they done in the
> world?
> Nothing, nothing but Walter Mitty train to nowhere. All aboard?
> Fuck no!
> oh and btw, nothing personal here, just calling a spade a spade.
### - known winners: https://www.thewildway.com/files/reviews.htm
> world?
> Nothing, nothing but Walter Mitty train to nowhere. All aboard?
> Fuck no!
> oh and btw, nothing personal here, just calling a spade a spade.
and, in a once obviously far more lucid and less snippy mood... chris once
wrote:
allreadygone wrote... Mar 2, 2016,
the great thing about the book Slider is that you only
discuss the process of WILD without going into
contents of dream. you stay out the area of the
dreamer's world of dreaming. Each dreamer is different.
Who knows what any one person can find in dreaming?
This will prevent you from ever becoming a cult.
This is the highest honor i can bestow upon you.
As though i would ever have any authority over anything.
I can barely tie my shoes some mornings, lol!
***
smile, ya appear to be awarding yourself a bit 'more' authority these days
then huh, more than you perhaps deserve?
but methinks we wants the OLD chris back, the less cynical, shitty and
morose one...
coz the NEW chris is shit lol :D
(i.e., don't be a dumbass hypocrite maan, you're bigger than that...)
slider
Aug 14, 2021, 3:03:51 PM8/14/21
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> turns out that maybe at best you're just punching the clown
> thinking something great is gonna come through dreaming.
> Where is the homerun or the grand slam.?
grown too old and lazy to follow-up on your discoveries? you had 4 genuine
WILDs and then expect everything to just drop into your lap no more effort
required, and if it doesn't do so then it's all just shit haha...
unfortunately, WILDs don't work that way... dilds might work that way by
sitting around popping supplements and waiting for shit to happen, but
WILDs are the opposite: one has to actively 'employ' them instead of
sitting around on your lard-ass waiting for things to happen, or you'll
denounce it all??
lol what a prick! :)))
slider
Aug 14, 2021, 3:08:59 PM8/14/21
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### - LOL ! for some unknown reason i thought i was replying to THANG in
this post???
s'no wonder then chriso nearly shat himself over it ahaha :))))
this post???
s'no wonder then chriso nearly shat himself over it ahaha :))))
chris rodgers
Aug 14, 2021, 3:11:36 PM8/14/21
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not only does shit happen......
........ shit also changes..............
slider
Aug 14, 2021, 3:41:59 PM8/14/21
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> not only does shit happen......
> ........ shit also changes..............
really quite amusing? :D
meaning, i talk to thang completely differently to how i talk to you
(which is why i went to town on that explanation etc to him) and then
bawled you out for being shitty about it for no damn reason just when (i
thought) we'd sorted things out some ahaha... (i thought: oh nooo mr chips
has started wobbling again??)
so who says i don't get things wrong sometimes eh?? (crackin' up laffing
coz that was a blunder)
all i can think is something other than my conscious volition was at-work
here innit hehe ;)
with what purpose i couldn't say lol, other than am totally surprised by
it and experienced a totally wtf moment there for a couple of minutes or
so before finally sussing it all out haha :)))
funny shit :D
chris rodgers
Aug 14, 2021, 4:05:49 PM8/14/21
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yeah but nobody cares. :)
slider
Aug 14, 2021, 4:16:04 PM8/14/21
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reply :)
(it's the same reply in terms of content albeit put very differently heh,
not so formal or direct)
the 'point' of it all (the ultimate payoff as you called it) is that of an
expansion of awareness.
which doesn't sound like much does it, but that's what it is...
and it's likely to be a similar effect for dilds too only far slower, if
ever? (in 50 years it's accomplished hardly anything etc)
i.e., we live and think the way(s) we do due to our 'current' level of
awareness, right?
a level of awareness that's given us the modern world and all its
technology etc etc, even rockets to the moon et al...
so it can be assumed then that any 'expansion' to our current awareness
will perforce begin to include other/new things to deal with too, things
that will somewhat modify our waking perception of the whole and of
ourselves living in it + the kinds of things we can all do and look
forward to doing...
e.g., one way to look at WILDing is as an advanced form of meditation, and
meditation peaces/levels people out by dint of bringing some kinda
spiritual values into people's lives... their views broaden accordingly in
a similar way to the way travel broadens the mind kinda thing... the mind
expands/matures...
you (and others) have been farting about with dilds for 50 years because
dilds are by nature unreliable and thus slow advancing, WILDs, however,
are much faster and in 3 months it's quite possible to cover all the
ground (and more) than all the last 50 years of dilding has accomplished
combined!
if'n ya wants to get right down to the 'nub' of WILDing, it's really about
attaining the midway point and the inner-knowledge that then becomes
available to us from that position in awareness... a 'direct knowing' as
opposed to having to first figure shit out kinda thing...
perforce the questions one asks while standing in such a place will
illuminate our road, you will thus be (and become) your very own reliable
guide through life, and you'll learn it all directly from yourself and
from your own inner knowledge (so no more depending on ripoff guides and
shit huh)
iow: humanity learning to WILD is (or can be) a way out of their current
predicament and stalemate when it comes to being & behaving like jerks on
this planet, that if everyone meditated to that degree wallyworld would
change inordinately because humanity would come around to seeing
themselves very differently indeed... wallyworld actually ending at some
point to be replaced by a perhaps more enlightened society :)
slider
Aug 14, 2021, 4:33:48 PM8/14/21
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> yeah but nobody cares. :)
for a moment considering you say you don't give a damn huh :D
look, we have to know the world is shit but still make the best of it
don't we?
it would be dumb to live in la-la-happy-land anyway + equally dumb to live
in a completely horrible/ugly world... there's both good & bad things iow,
it's not all good but it's not all shite either?
life thus being a kinda tightrope walk between those 2 (a balancing act)
plus woe betide anyone who falls-off on either side...
observation suggests that most people fall off either one way or the other
at some point and never get back up, so only very few ever make it all the
way + those that do are always reputed to be rather strange (read:
advanced) beings ;)
chris rodgers
Aug 15, 2021, 7:00:24 PM8/15/21
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well it looks like august flyer fest is over.
what a shit storm. some things never change.
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