monorail lines
GoVerticl
history, what are the lines like on the monorail since that seems to be one of
the only ways to get to the DL Hotel (except for a tram). When I stayed at the
DLH, I always walked from the park to the hotel...guess ya can't do that
anymore.
-John
"Now you see evil will always triumph...because good is dumb" - Dark Helmet
Its SuperP
days of the old parking lot. The Disneyland Hotel Tram still runs out of the
East Esplinade, delivering guests to a new hotel tram stop located near the
Bonita Tower of the DIsneyland Hotel. Starting March 1st, the Disneyland
Monorail System will be operating in it's bi-directional one-way service due to
work near the beam in a portion of the DCA construction area. At that time,
you can expect the wait time for the monorial to increase, not severely, but if
you miss the tandem pair, it may take up to 20 minutes for them to leave for
the hotel again.
Wrath_of_the_Black_Manta
>Starting March 1st, the Disneyland
>Monorail System will be operating in it's bi-directional one-way service
due to
>work near the beam in a portion of the DCA construction area. At that
time,
>you can expect the wait time for the monorial to increase, not severely,
but if
>you miss the tandem pair, it may take up to 20 minutes for them to leave
for
>the hotel again.
Bi-directional? I didn't know monorails could "move" that way. I guess it
would be kinda unique to ride the monorail *backwards* (If i get your
meaning right of bi-directional).
--Wrath aka Jason
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Wrath of the Black Manta
hotwheeldude_at_hotmail_dot_com
GoVerticl
Yea...I was thinking that the Monorail started liking trains or something. :)
Teri Lynn Wheeler
backwards (they could always "back-up though, just like a car/train/etc
does). The shoes, etc had to be redesigned and altercations were made for
the trains to safely travel in reverse. It's a much different feeling to
drive them backwards, I find it a fun change of pace. ;-) Of course, I do
realize that it means delayed trips to the hotel and I would highly
suggest guests utilize the trams during peak times (when the park is
closing, during dinner rush, etc)
FWIW - I'm not sure if indeed the "March 1st" date is going to be met. It
may be delayed a bit. Just depends on DCA's construction progress. ;-)
Teri-Lynn
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In article <19990225131618...@ng126.aol.com>,
Dr De Lurk
When they started the Parking Lot demolition early last year, they retro-fitted
the monorails to gain the ability to go in reverse. It suposedly cost $1
million per to accomplish the feat.
What happens is the rail link from TL to the hotel is unused, and the link
between the hotel to TL (the looping around TL one) is utilized as the only
link (unfortunately it is the longer of the two).
Two monorails run, the first one from TL going in reverse unloads passengers
at the hotel, moves backward to the "holding spot" located on the outside beam
directly over where the Grand Californian (eventualy!) will be built across
West Street. Then the second monorail arrives, (about 10 minutes later)
deposits its passengers, and then loads up the passengers and moving forward
like normal, goes to TL. The first monorail now moves forward to the loading
station, loads up with passengers (tired and exhausted from standing by now
BTW) and goes to TL.
The whole event is a good 30 minutes. Avoid at all costs early in the morning
and from 4-7 at night. I would suggest going over to Pinoochio and jumping on
the Puppet Express (tramzilla). Early in the morning, there are no cars in
Simba (on a slow day) so the hotel tram is inadequate first thing in the
morning.
Sam
bidirectionally. This means that rather than going through a full circle,
the monorail only uses one section of the track between the two stations.
So I guess technically for a round trip, one half you would be facing
forward and the other backwards.
Sam Pogers
pog...@u.arizona.edu
bilmo...@go.com
the seats on the monorail are already facing backwards. I guess in some ways
it would be unique to enter the stations from the opposite way, so in some
ways it would be unique.
So, I have just said nothing. Thanks for reading. I just hope that the
Southern Baptists don't get wind of this "Bi-directional" stuff, they will try
and boycott the monorail. =)
Bil
not "bi-directional", but OK that some are.
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Its SuperP
participated in meetings with our operational managers, facilities managers,
monorail shop mechanics and electricians, engineers, and a few representatives
of Ride and Show engineering to find a means to physically achieve a
bi-directional operation of the Disneyland Monorails. It was obvious, that
with the construction of DCA, and prolonged tram trip times, the monorails were
going to be vital to provide transportation for guests to and from the
Disneyland hotel. Since the DCA construction was going to be near the beam
with backhoes, cranes, and sometimes requiring a break in the beam at certain
points of the construction schedule, a bi-directional service of the monorails
operating forwards and backwards (similar to Seattle's monorail) was desired to
help maintain a mode of transportation to and from the hotel.
It was my job, with the other coaches, some other experienced Cast Members
during testing, and our ops management to figure out the proceedures and
operation of the monorails in this operation. However, in the meetings, we
came together, and raised all of our concerns about feasibility, safety, and
effeciency. It's my feeling, that the teamwork that was involved to follow
through with this operation, was exceptional, and it's something I look back on
with pride.
The development of the bidirectional shoes for the monorail cost $50,000
on the first monorail that was fitted. Subsequent monorails were refitted a
substantially less cost. If you're curious what a shoe looks like, go to my
website, and in the Disneyland Monorail section you'll see a picture of the old
shoe (that only drags in one direction). I was asked not to post a picture of
the current shoe since it is a patent of Ride and Show Engineering (but the
general concept was to allow it to be "dragged" in both directions)...
Depending on which portion of the beam, the monorail could operate as a
bidirectional shuttle using either "half" of the loop. On the shorter "half"
(I use the term half figuratively) would mean an approximate 10 minute
roundtip, and the longer "half" almost 20. If you ride the monorail during
this shuttle operation, remember it is ONE-WAY service only. This is because
the monorails are emphasized as more a transportation system, then an
attraction, at that time.
If anyone wants to know anything more, feel free to post and ask..
Teri Lynn Wheeler
drde...@aol.comStopSPAM (Dr De Lurk) wrote:
>
> What happens is the rail link from TL to the hotel is unused, and the link
> between the hotel to TL (the looping around TL one) is utilized as the only
> link (unfortunately it is the longer of the two).
>
This is not always true. We can utilize (and have) either 1/2 of the
beam. When they were doing the construction by the old Admin Parking, we
utilized the outter beam (being the one that curves at the marque and
heads a long straight-a-way accross the old guest parking lot). It
basically just depends on what/where the construction is occuring at the
time. Personally speaking, I rather like driving the inner 1/2 (the one
that travels through TL) cuz theres nothing stranger then going over the
grade - above the lagoon/autopia - backwards. ;-)
Teri-Lynn
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Dan Young
> The development of the bidirectional shoes for the monorail cost $50,000
>on the first monorail that was fitted. Subsequent monorails were refitted a
>substantially less cost.
Thanks for the post, SuperP. I thought that $1 million per vehicle, as
reported by someone earlier in this thread, was just a bit excessive.
What, things get blown out of proportion in Usenet groups? C'mon!!!!
<g>
Dr De Lurk
>reported by someone earlier in this thread, was just a bit excessive
I agree, that is why I posted, "you guys can correct me"...I posted 1 million
per, because my incompetent management (did I say that?) told me that....Didn't
believe them then, and now believe the $50K per....wasn't trying to mislead ;o)
Its SuperP
>per, because my incompetent management (did I say that?) told me
>that....Didn't
>believe them then, and now believe the $50K per....wasn't trying to mislead
>;o)
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>
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DrDeLurk...
Who in management did you ask? I can tell you the management there who would
have actually known. (Since you know I was invloved with the whole thing).
The next project, currently underway with the Disneyland Monorails, is the
installation of a new ride control system. This includes new mode panels,
control arms, multiple on-board computers, rf signal ctc system, etc (similar
to what's found in WDW's Mark VI's). Monorail Orange is on the verge of
completion, and you should see the whole system completed sometime within the
next year. The total cost of this system (far more than the bidirectional one)
was first budgeted and bid on at $750,000. Whether or not the cost of this new
system will exceed that figure, I don't know yet, and I'm sure management
doesn't either. If I learn it has changed, I'll pass it on.
Dr De Lurk
Should that matter?
If you are asking did I ask an Attractions manager, No I didn't. But that is
the point.
I appreciate the information you have proffered here. This source is usually
more accurate than internal.....
But again my point is, that even though I am expected to go, "Let me find out
for you" when a guest asks, if I ask my manager, he can answer in one of four
ways - (a) none of your business, (b) I have no idea - maybe a million dollars,
(c) one million dollars per monorail, or(bing, bing, bing!!) (d) "Let me find
out for you.
Had he answerred (a), (b), or (d) I would understand. But, he answerred (c) -
an outright lie, and I knew it.
Big deal, I know....but parts are parts.....