Ghostly Disney Pictures (a link to some pics)
Daniel Montes
Decide for yourself.
Gulywhumpr
(although the website claims otherwise. Look at the shape of the "ectoplasm"
it is curved and twisted similar to a short piece of cloth (i.e. a strap). The
claim that it can't be a strap because of the solid blobs is rediculous. If
the strap was in the way it would be too close and would be out of the focal
length and therefore out of focus. On instamatic cameras the flash commonly
goes off in shadowy enclosed areas such as new orleans square. The flash would
reflect intensely off the strap and make the image of the strap pure white. If
the strap was moving, and I'm sure you can imagine it would, then the image
would have a dual quality in the thickness of the white streak. In places
where the strap only moved occasionally it would appear translucent, where the
strap was found most of the time it would be more solid, giving it a blob look.
The Image with Minnie is so obviously a thumb over the lens that it shouldn't
be on the website as it lends discredibility to the whole site. Since the
thumb picture was taken by the same people the strap pictures were taken by I
think it's fairly safe to say that these are all bogus.....as are every other
photo that has been presented. If there was any real proof that spirits exist
wouldn't it be taught in our science classes?
Netfreak52
>Decide for yourself.
Isn't it lovely what the Photoshop airbrush can do!!
-Mike
TDC-Keeper of Attraction Soundtracks and Cousin to the Carousel of Progress
Family
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Daniel Montes
http://www.ghostweb.com/woman.html
Gulywhumpr wrote in message
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Daniel Montes
http://www.ghostweb.com/cann1.html
Daniel Montes wrote in message ...
>I finally found the pictures I was talking about. Ghost in Disneyland??
>Decide for yourself.
>
Spok
minute, let me get my camera im gonna take a picture of you and exlploit you
to everybody on the internet." Anybody can do this stuff if they got the
right equipment. They can do it in movies and you can do it in pictures. And
even if ghosts did exist I think they just wouldn't go to stranger's houses,
they'd want to be with their loved ones. Unless they wanted a peek at a
woman dressing. Than they can go right ahead and do that. Damn... I wanna be
a ghost now. Haha.. nah, i don't. So don't any of you try to make me one!
Gulywhumpr
>http://www.ghostweb.com/woman.html
Looks like a double exposure to me. Nothing spooky about that.
Here's something to consider:
If ghosts are etherial (have no physical form) then how can they set off a
motion detector? And how do they get captured on film? Film is exposed by
having a photon of light reflect off an object and strike a particle of silver
on the film. The strength and duration of the photon on the film controls the
lightness/darkness of the image. If ghosts are not corporeal then how can
light bounce off them and produce the images that are presented as "proof". If
they do have a material form then how can they walk through walls? What are
they made of? Carbon and such like us? Can they switch back and forth from
atoms to some mystical substance? If so where do the atoms go, they can't just
dissappear that's against the first law of thermodynamics? Obviously
something's wrong. And that something is uneducated people.
DscveryBay
him for the time of day. Some people are just like that, and it's like talking
to a brick wall. Remember that until late Victorian times gorillas were
considered just a freaky legend.
I believe that the only thing that is real is the feelings we have for
others...
Fab
"Si mes calculs sont corrects, quand ce petit bolide atteindra la vitesse de
quatre vingt huit miles à l’heure, attend toi à voir quelque chose qui
décoiffe." Dr. Emmet L. Brown
(Hm, I thought the phrase was 'merde seriuse')
DscveryBay
measurable.
Jeffrey Graebner
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>Actually it's not. It's like being a scientist. When someone presents
ghostly
>evidence that can survive unbiased, mathematically significant, and peer
>reviewable evidence then I will surely admit that ghosts are real. Untill
then
>there is no evidence.
Actually, what you are doing is acting like a poor scientist. A good
scientist will simply respond with "I don't know" when presented with an
idea that cannot currently be proven. He will also keep an open mind,
considering the possibility that the proof will someday be found. If the
subject is of interest to him, he might even look for that proof.
--
Jeffrey Graebner
Email: jeff_g...@compuserve.com
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Please remain seated until the boat comes to a complete stop and you are
asked to disembark.
"Dreams are make-believe and would they all come true!"
- Fantasmic! @ Disneyland
Jeffrey Graebner
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>That is true, and like I said if undeniable evidence, even a shred, was
>presented then I would have no problem in accepting the possibility.
However,
>there is plenty of evidence to suggest that there are no ghosts. So the
>current hypothesis is for no ghost existence. There have been several good
>scientists who have looked for evidence (Carl Sagan for one).
Unfortunately
>nothing was found. Sagan did find the men who made the crop circles,
however.
>Again lending support to the no supernatural phenomenon statement.
What exactly is the evidence of non-existence? All of my scientific and
logic training taught that it is impossible to prove a negative. Sure,
there has been a lot of evidence >for< supernatural phenomenon that has been
proven to be invalid (as well as a fair amount that is inconclusive), but
that doesn't constitute proof of non-existence.
Now, there is no question that the current state of the evidence would lead
a scientist to conclude a lack of >probability<, but the kind of absolute
statements that you keep posting are completely non-scientific.
Gulywhumpr
Actually it's not. It's like being a scientist. When someone presents ghostly
evidence that can survive unbiased, mathematically significant, and peer
reviewable evidence then I will surely admit that ghosts are real. Untill then
there is no evidence.
>Remember that until late Victorian times gorillas were considered just a
freaky legend.<
The major difference here is that you can bring back a gorilla. When Charles
Darwin sent back a stuffed Platypus they thought it was a joke, but it was
verifiable....unlike ghosts. Speaking of Victorian times, if you review ghost
stories you will find that the spirits change in their appearence and desires
depending on what time period the stories are from. This suggests that ghosts
are made up by people and reflects the social values of the time period.
Gulywhumpr
measurable.<
Yeah, right. I'm sure I can go to my lab tomorrow and look up a PKE-meter in
the old Sigma Scientific Equipment catalog. PKE meters actually measure how
big of a sucker the person paying for the ghostbuster is.
"We're getting a reading that's way off the scale! that'll be $1,000, please."
Gulywhumpr
>considering the possibility that the proof will someday be found.
That is true, and like I said if undeniable evidence, even a shred, was
DscveryBay
reputable non quackery scientific type companies.
Until I read about it in a few scientific journals, I thought Dan Ayckroyd was
just making it up.
Gulywhumpr
>statements that you keep posting are completely non-scientific.
So we should keep the possibility that the Earth is flat open. I mean, just in
case all those photos of Earth from space and the moon trips were filmed in a
studio.
Gulywhumpr
years of looking, without a shred of evidence to support it's existence, it
should be safe to conclude that it doesn't exist. For example:
The Boogeyman
Gremlins
Goblins
Fairies
Elves
Ogres
Sprites (not the beverage)
Dragons (Not the Komodo)
Santa Claus (Now you're getting personal)
And so on.....
Frank Hagan
>I know you can't prove nonexistence, but there are just some things that after
>years of looking, without a shred of evidence to support it's existence, it
>should be safe to conclude that it doesn't exist. For example:
Those who make the extraordinary claims are the ones who must go to
extraordinary lengths to prove their thesis, rather than challenging
conventional wisdom to disprove their thesis.
Jeffrey Graebner
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>So we should keep the possibility that the Earth is flat open. I mean,
just in
>case all those photos of Earth from space and the moon trips were filmed in
a
>studio.
That is a different kind of proof. While it isn't possible to completely
disprove something, it >is< possible to prove an alternate situation that
makes the first situation impossible. We have found indisputable proof that
the Earth is round and since the Earth being round and the Earth being flat
are mutually-exclusive conditions, obviously it isn't flat.
I suppose that does, in a way, constitute proof of a negative, but I don't
believe that kind of proof applies in this discussion. What provable
condition is mutually exclusive with the existence of supernatural
phenomena?
Gulywhumpr
extraordinary lengths to prove their thesis, rather than challenging
conventional wisdom to disprove their thesis.<
Or as Carl Sagan put it "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidnence."
Spok
In Santa Clauses defense, there was a man name St Nicholas who dropped gold
peices downed people's chimeny's.
Gulywhumpr wrote in message
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>I know you can't prove nonexistence, but there are just some things that
after
>years of looking, without a shred of evidence to support it's existence, it
>should be safe to conclude that it doesn't exist. For example:
>
Gulywhumpr
I agree, and I didn't forget, but that is best left to the Talk.origins group.
Al
exsist , 'specially flower fairies , and usually Fairies , Elves and Sprites
are put in the same group .
And there is a book called "Flight Of The Reindeer" in publication that
shows the scientific proof of Santa Claus' exsistence .
Never mind me , i always say I believe in everything from fairies to
mermaids to unicorns and back again ,,
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>>Fairies
>>Elves
>>Sprites (not the beverage)
Gulywhumpr
>I heard somewhere...
Well, it must be true then.
Al
believe in them , , ( I try to keep an open mind about things until they are
proven one way or another , so far the exsistance of many things has not
been proven , but it has not been prooved that they don't exsist either so
who's to say ?) , But that certainly doesn't mean YOU have to .
*****Jasmine*****
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spectacular festival pageant of night-time magic and imagination , in
thousands of sparkling lights , and electro-syntha-magnetic musical sounds ,
The Main Street Electrical Parade!
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Daniel Montes
spoon must be made of cheap metal. But it's still AMAZING!!!
Gulywhumpr wrote in message
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>>I try to keep an open mind about things until they are
>>proven one way or another , so far the exsistance of many things has not
>>been proven ,
>
>That's just it, after all these years with all the people that have tried
to
>"prove" ghosts, psychics, spoon bending, crop circles, ufos and all that
>pseudoscience NONE of it has had even a single piece of evidence be able
to
>stand up to scientific scrutiny. Most have been shown to be camera straps,
>double exposures, hoaxes, 2 guys in England that step on wheat and make
pretty
>patterns in famr fields, models suspended by wires, etc.
> Even the famous photo of the Loch Ness monster was admitted to be
a
>fake by an old man on his deathbed. He told exactly how he did it and when
and
>where it was done. Unfortunately the real explanations are not put on the
5:00
>news, that's not interesting. A giant creature living in a lake in
Scotland,
>now that's interesting.
> If only people had more of an understanding of biology, physics, and
>chemistry they might understand how virtually impossible it is to travel
the
>great distances between the stars and more importantly how much energy it
would
>take to accelerate fast enough to cover the distance in a reasonable
manner.
>And how much time it would take a second civilization to evolve not only to
our
>technological power, but beyond our understanding. It's taken Earth 4.7
>billion years to evolve a lifeform that can barely even send an unmanned
space
>probe out of our solar system. We have another 4 light years to go just to
>reach the neasrest star (which has no planets).
Gulywhumpr
Gulywhumpr
>spoon must be made of cheap metal. But it's still AMAZING!!!
>
>
I've always found that I can bend a spoon with a magic (frozen solid) tub of
ice cream.
Daniel Montes
under a faucet and have it magically turn on?!?
Gulywhumpr wrote in message
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Gulywhumpr
>under a faucet and have it magically turn on?!?
When I worked at the Haunted Mansion I used to be able to make the ride stop at
the touch of a button!
Rashid1116
>proven one way or another , so far the exsistance of many things has not
>who's to say ?) , But that certainly doesn't mean YOU have to .
Good for you , Jasmine. More people should have that attitude. Maybe you would
like to come visit us at alt.folklore.ghost-stories one day. We are a very
friendly group !
Melissa R. :)
GoVerticl
>>under a faucet and have it magically turn on?!?
>
>
inside some of the restrooms I can make a urinal flush with the wave of
my.....nevermind.
-J
Daniel Montes
Gulywhumpr wrote in message
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>>But can you make light's change from red to green? Or can you wave you
hands
>>under a faucet and have it magically turn on?!?
>