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TheCSkier

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Subject: Lost L.A. Theme Parks

Hello Theme Park Fans. A while back we threw out a theme park trivia
question:

“Name 9 closed theme parks formerly operating in the Los Angeles area.”

It’s time to answer the question. It’s not the purpose of this post to provide
a detailed description of the dead theme parks, but rather to just list the 9
answers. However I have added a few cogent comments, where appropriate. If
you would like additional info on any of the parks, feel free to ask (or just
post).

Below is the park name, location, and approximate years of operation.
[“<“ means “before”]

The first five are easy:

1) BUSCH GARDENS, Van Nuys (SW corner of I-405 and Roscoe Blvd.)
1966-1979

2) PACIFIC OCEAN PARK, Santa Monica (on Ocean Park Pier, Pier Ave)
1958 - 1968

3) MARINELAND of The PACIFIC, Palos Verdes Peninsula (Long Point)
1954 - 1987

4) JAPANESE VILLAGE & DEER PARK, Buena Park (SE corner of Knott Ave and
I-5) 1967 - 75

5) LION COUNTRY SAFARI, Irvine (south of I-405, east of Hiway 133)
1970 - 1985

The next two are harder:

6) CALIFORNIA ALLIGATOR FARM, Buena Park (La Palma, west of Harbor)
<1958 - 1983

7) SANTA’S VILLAGE, Lake Arrowhead (Hiway 18, east of Skyforest)
1955 - 1998

Really hard:

8) JUNGLELAND, Thousand Oaks (south of Hiway 101 [north of freeway])
<1956 - 1969

9) CORRIGANVILLE, Chatsworth/Santa Susana (Hiway 118, west of Santa Susana
Pass) <1956 - 1969


COMMENTS:

1) Busch Gardens has been well documented on this newsgroup.

2) Pacific Ocean Park (POP) was a real theme park with a marine theme. It had
diving bells, a skyride gondola which looked like diving bells, “Sea Serpent” -
a wooden roller coaster, and my favorite, The Banana Train ride. The “P.O.P.”
also stood for “Pay One Price” which the park pioneered in. Apparently the
price wasn’t high enough. CBS was a part owner. Curiously, today there is no
trace of the actual pier.

3) Marineland was purchased by HBJ, owner of Sea World. It was rumored that
they just wanted the two Orcas, for breeding purposes. After a few months the
park was closed and the whales and other animals were moved to San Diego. The
sky tower and most buildings have been removed. The site is often used for
movie location shooting and the parking lot is usually open.

4) Japanese Village (as it was called on their brochures) has been well
documented on this newsgroup. We have two brochures (undated) and neither
mentions ownership by Six Flags.

5) Lion Country Safari was located south of the 405 on Valencia Ave (later
Moulton Parkway and now called Irvine Center Drive). Wild Rivers water park
and the Irvine Amphitheatre are located there now.

6) California Alligator Farm was located just north of Knott’s, near parking
lots 40-50, and across the street from Gate 3. One ad we found said “since
1907”! We have a hard time believing that there were alligator farms in CA or
even Florida in 1907. Perhaps it was a real farm, like Knott’s.

7) Santa’s Village just closed a few months ago. There were many posts about
last rides (monorail, coaster, etc,)

8) Jungleland - We are surprised that some folks remembered this one and
Corriganville. This was a sort of zoo with performing animal shows. The
animals were used in Hollywood movies. We have a 1956 hiway map which shows
TWO attractions: “World Jungle Compound” and “Goebels Wild Animal Farm”.
Perhaps they merged into Jungleland.

9) Corriganville is shown on that same 1956 map. It was a movie ranch open to
the public for tours and stunt shows, etc. It was named after “Crash”
Corrigan, Hollywood stunt man. In 1958 it was called “Lone Ranger Ranch”. In
the 60’s it reverted to the original name with areas called: “Silvertown”
(Lone Ranger), “Sherwood Forest” (Robin Hood filmed here), and “Fort Apache”.
Someone said there was a fire. Perhaps this fits with the new name in the
late 60’s: “Hopetown Movie Ranch”.

To reach the ranch you go north on hiway 118 from Chatsworth, turn west over
Santa Susana Pass, then turn north and it was on the right (east). The nearest
town was “Santa Susana Knolls”, and the nearest big town was “Santa Susana”.
Someone posted that the ranch was located in “Simi Valley”. Well, here is a
curiosity. In 1970, the town of Santa Susana changed their name to Simi
Valley!

SNEAKY TRIVIA: In the Long Beach/ Buena Park area there used to be two towns
called “Dairy Valley”, and “Dairyland”. What are they called now?


BONUS QUESTION: What three names has the amusement park in Long Beach used?
Answer: “The Pike”, “Nu-Pike”, and “Queen’s Pike”. Obviously the latter was
used after the Queen Mary opened. The Queen’s Way parkway travels right over
the old roller coaster pier. One map we have shows that pier called “Silver
Spray Pier”. The area next to The Pike is called “Walk of 1000 Lights”.


As you might have guessed, we have lots of old maps and tourist guides for the
Los Angeles area. Feel free to ask any questions We enjoy doing the research.

Cheers, TCS


TCS (The Colorado Skier)
Colorado Springs, CO [Gateway to Colorado Ski Country]


H.R. Laser

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TheCSkier (thec...@aol.com) wrote:

: 2) Pacific Ocean Park (POP) was a real theme park with a marine theme. It had


: diving bells, a skyride gondola which looked like diving bells, “Sea Serpent” -
: a wooden roller coaster, and my favorite, The Banana Train ride. The “P.O.P.”
: also stood for “Pay One Price” which the park pioneered in. Apparently the
: price wasn’t high enough. CBS was a part owner. Curiously, today there is no
: trace of the actual pier.

Because it burned down, didn't it? I remember POP from a couple visits
when I was a young'un. The Flight to Mars ride scared the crap out of me
:) It was basically sort of a shabby, poor man's Disneyland by the sea.

Well, at least it got pretty shabby in its waning years.

BTW, the final episode of the old "Fugitive" TV series was filmed at POP;
Dr. Richard Kimball fighting with the one-armed man atop a tall ride
structure, as were at least two episodes of the original "Twilight Zone"
series (one involved Jack Klugman in a house of mirrors, and the other one
had Victor Jory, I think, playing a character who had to remain awake else
evil people in his dreams would kill him). POP had some rather
distinctive looking tall light poles which sort of looked like flower
petals with lamps in between them, which are easy to spot in old shows
that used the park for location shoots.

: 3) Marineland was purchased by HBJ, owner of Sea World. It was rumored that


: they just wanted the two Orcas, for breeding purposes. After a few months the
: park was closed and the whales and other animals were moved to San Diego. The
: sky tower and most buildings have been removed. The site is often used for
: movie location shooting and the parking lot is usually open.

I think all the buildings have pretty much been scraped clean away.

Marineland's former location is a couple miles down the drive from my
mother's house. I went there a lot when I was living there, and going to
Palos Verdes High School. Shot 8mm movies with my friends going up and
down the tower elevator ride.

Used to go there with family friends and relatives when they visited. I
fondly remember an upscale restaurant next door called "Galley West" which
had an incredible view. And Marineland, along with some shops, had a
couple machines into which you could toss a quarter and watch an injection
molding process make and then eject a warm plastic seal or dolphin right
into yer hands. Also went to a Coucours d'Elegance which was held in the
parking lot in the uhh.. late 70s I think. Ahh.. fond memories. Curse
them for tearing it all down.


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How about Movie World: Cars of the Stars (Buena Park)?

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Cars of the Stars was great. You could go through the whole place by
yourself. I remember after it closed they had an auction and someone
actually got to buy Robbie the Robot. I felt cheated because I was just
a kid and I had no money. They sold everthing. Even the cars from "The
Great Race".

My main memories of Marineland were near the end. Two or three guys
broke in at night time and actually surfed Orky and Corky the killer
whales. To me that was the ultimate stunt that could never ever be
topped. By the way, does anyone know that the "Big W" from "It's A Mad
Mad Mad Mad World" is a couple of miles down the coast from Marineland?

The Long Beach Pike at the end was sad. I was thirteen years old and I
had my younger brother and my even younger cousin with me.
We went inside the funhouse that had a maze.
A gang of local punks saw us go in and they rushed in to rob us. The
old toothless ride-operator made no attempt to stop them either. The
just ran right in with no tickets and cornered us right in the middle of
that damn maze. (They obviously knew that place inside and out). The
leader of this little gang demanded some money, so I gave him some
pocket change and they ran away. Just a pathetic place there at the
end.

Corriganville is open once again. It is now a public park. I went
there the other day and saw the cement lake where they filmed "Robin
Hood".

Roy Batty

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>.BTW, thisis the best thread we've had going in a long time


This is true.

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Mr A's Disneyland Fan

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My family and I lucked out we went to POP's on the last day it was
opened. Is There anything left? There also was a Santa's Village in the
Santa Cruz area on Hwy. 9. It has been closed for about 25 years. It is
about to become a Safeway Riteaid shopping center.


DLoriso

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oh my gosh...i totally remember MOVIE WORLD:CARS OF THE STARS..I remember
totally wanting to go there, I was like 8 or 10 years old and really wanted to
go because the commercials starred BILLY BARTY, and it showed him on a spinning
room (which I got on) that spun you around and the centrifugal forces threw you
to the side of the room. they also had Robbie the Robot on display,a nd I think
the BEATLES Sgt. Pepper car or somesuch stuff....my parents finally took me
there, and I left thinking the commercials made it look a lot more fun than it
actually was.

This is on a different subject, but does anyone remember a local mall south of
Disneyland that had themed dark rides (ala Fantayland stuff), a ferris wheel
and other such stuff mixed in with speciality shops...it was all indoors.
Anyone else remember this place, does it still exist?

Jon Nadelberg

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In article <199806130101...@ladder03.news.aol.com>,


You're probably thinking of the Old Towne Mall in Torrance, a few
blocks away from the Del Amo shopping mall.

I also remember Movie World. It was very small, and very pricey for
what it was. It did not last long.

Does anyone remember that when the Movieland Wax Museum opened,
it also had something called the "Pallisade of Living Art?" It featured
wax recreations of famous paintings. It had a separate admission. It
was like one room or two and kind of a rip off. I believe all these
wax works eventually got sold to the San Francisco Wax Museum,
on Fisherman's Wharf.

DLoriso

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I remember THE PALACE OF LIVING ART very, very well...I think the thing that
stood out in my mind most was the larger than life reproduction of
Michaelangelo's DAVID...it was very well done, but I remember some nut jobs
going crazy because of the nudity aspect there on the street for all to see
(nutjobs, if you ask me)..I always thought the PALACE was wonderful, they had a
full size wax reproduction of the crucifixtion of Jesus Christ, it was so well
done and heatrbreaking, they also had Mona Lisa and all these wonderful
paintings done in waxwork...i still have picturesof the place in an old
guidebook I bought many moons ago ( i wonder if I can find it)..any way they
did away with the PALACE when they put in the BLACK BOX horror film exhibit at
MOVIELAND , it was a guided tour through horror by VINCENT PRICE's voice (very
creepy)...you walked through sets depicting dramatic scenes of ALIEN, HALLOWEEN
and ALTERED STATES . It wasn't however just wax figures. the whole sets came to
life with special fx and some very limited robotic animation. I still have a
button for it that reads I SURVIVED THE BLACK BOX. It was replaced by ELVIRA's
CHAMBER OF HORRORS a more traditional wax work exhibit at the half way point of
a tour through MOVIELAND. Its still there to this day, but since ELVIRA is no
longer a very popular character they dropped her name....BTW, the painting of
VINCENT PRICE that was used in the preshow of the exhibit now resides on the
wall of the HOUSE OF WAX set...RIP in Vincent.

Anyone else remember this stuff??

RobbAlvey

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There are several parks missing from that list. Including the Pike in Long
Beach and a number of different parks that opened and closed during the early
1900s in Venice Beach and Santa Monica.

And depending on what you are classifing as a park, I don't think the rides
section of Alpine Village exists and more. They used to have a kiddie coaster
and a couple of flat rides.

Cheers.

--Robb

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H.R. Laser

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Jon Nadelberg (jo...@netcom.com) wrote:

: You're probably thinking of the Old Towne Mall in Torrance, a few


: blocks away from the Del Amo shopping mall.

Which, by the way, no longer exists. Well it's still a mall, but a few
years ago, they ripped out everything and remodelled it from Old Towne
into a regular shopping mall.. the unique stuff is long gone.

Sheila

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RobbAlvey <robb...@aol.com> wrote in article
<199806130144...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...

> There are several parks missing from that list. Including the Pike in
Long
> Beach and a number of different parks that opened and closed during the
early
> 1900s in Venice Beach and Santa Monica.
> >snip<
> Cheers.
>
> --Robb

Hi, all:

Actually, when I was a very little girl, there used to be a theme park on
La Cienega (?) near where the Beverly Center is now. Lots of people had
their kid's birthday parties there. The park had geese and ducks roaming
loose, and some very cool kiddie rollercoasters. I think the park was
pretty much torn down in the 1970's. I just can't remember the name of it.

The park was featured on this wonderful show produced a few years back by
Ralph Story (boy, do I miss his L.A. shows) and the show centered on
attractions and other landmarks that no longer exist in L.A.

Jon, do you know the park I'm talking about?

Sheila

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Tim Castro

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On 12 Jun 1998 23:08:00 GMT, thec...@aol.com (TheCSkier) wrote:

>As you might have guessed, we have lots of old maps and tourist guides for the
>Los Angeles area. Feel free to ask any questions We enjoy doing the research.

I seem to recall a very small amusement park in the Monterey
Park/Montebello area of the San Gabriel Valley. For the life of me, I
can't remember the name, but I know the Park had some type of
Hawaiian/Polynesian theme. I also remember a train ride and haunted
house, but not much else. Does that ring any bells?

Thanks!

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DLoriso

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>I seem to recall a very small amusement park in the Monterey
>Park/Montebello area of the San Gabriel Valley. For the life of me, I
>can't remember the name, but I know the Park had some type of
>Hawaiian/Polynesian theme. I also remember a train ride and haunted
>house, but not much else. Does that ring any bells?
HOLY MONKEY....I do remember that place!!!! There was an area set in a grotto
type design with kiddie rides...but there was a polynesian show area where i
think they ran Polynesian/hawaiian shows at night too. I remember that train
and the Haunted House. i never went inside the house, but I do remember there
was a weird type of catacombs/caverns outside that were available to explore
through right outside the haunted house, for some reason a memory tells me that
outside those caverns were grave stones that said Frankentstein and
dracula...but I'm not sure how reliable that memory is. Last time I was there,
i was maybe 10 at most, back in the 70s. Wonder if the place still
exists.......BTW, thisis the best thread we've had going in a long time

Art Gardner

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On 12 Jun 1998 23:08:00 GMT, thec...@aol.com (TheCSkier) wrote:

> I seem to recall a very small amusement park in the Monterey
> Park/Montebello area of the San Gabriel Valley. For the life of me, I
> can't remember the name, but I know the Park had some type of
> Hawaiian/Polynesian theme. I also remember a train ride and haunted
> house, but not much else. Does that ring any bells?


Yup, it does for me. (Along with Movie World, Palace of Living Art, and
most of the others.)

Since I couldn't have been older than 4 or 5, my recollection of that
place is very, very dim. In fact, until you pinpointed the location, I
wasn't sure it was something in a dream or confused memory.

I recall going to this place with my parents and some family friends who
live in the Monterey Park/Montebello area. I distinctly remember the
Hawaiian/Polynesian theme, along with fire torches and luau feel, and have
a vague notion of a train. Can't recall anything about a haunted house.

So long as we're on the subject, can anyone confirm this?

I was raised in Downey, CA, and remember on certain trips with my parents
(perhaps to see those very friends, in fact) passing what looked liked an
old, tiny, abandoned amusement park. This must have between '65-67.

About the only thing left standing was what appeared to be either a fun
house or dark ride. Then, on one trip, I noticed the buildings had been
destroyed and removed. All that was left was the empty lot. I don't
remember what eventually took its place.

TheCSkier

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Hi Guys:

It's TCS again. Just a couple of comments.

1. Someone wondered why we didn't include the Long Beach Pike in our list of 9
dead THEME parks. It's because we consider it a standard amusement park, not a
"theme" park.

2. When you ask a question about "your" lost park, please try and give the
approximate years of operation (even if it's just "back in the seventies"). We
have 40 years of junk to poke thru so it helps if we have a place to start.

3. Thanks to whoever brought up the Olde Towne mall in Torrance. We lived
near there (in Palos Verdes) and have been trying to remember what that was
called for years. Neat place! (Does anyone remember the "Treasury"?)

Cheers, TCS [Go Jazz!]

TheCSkier

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Whoops! Forgot to say: Thanks for your interest!

[BTW, to keep this On Topic, we first visited DL in Dec, 55, at the age of
minus four ;-) ]

Steve!

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Yes! I remember wondering for years what the hell happened to the "art
museum" portion of Movieland, and I remember the black box being just about
the most terrifying and traumatic thing in my pre-teen life. In addition to
the FX they also had live actors from what I remember, and people who tried to
grab you. A few years later I came back and the back box was gone, I was
pissed, even though it scared the bejeezus out of me it was a very cool
exhibit. Did the horror exhibit really cut into that much of the Living Art's
space? I thought it was in a seperate building, I always figured they
replaced it with that crappo pizza place they used to have there.

Steve!


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I have talked to two former employees of Six Flags, Joseph Prevratil
(now CEO of the Queen Mary) and Peter Blackwell and according to them
Six Flags did indeed own Japanese Village/Enchanted Village. Prevratil
was involved with that theme park and was general manager of Six Flags'
Movieland Wax Museum during a period of tremendous expansion. Star Trek,
Planet of the Apes, W.C. Feilds and The Wizard of Oz were among the many
additions Prevratil oversaw at Movieland. Wax figure sculptor David
Cellitti tells me that Prevratil put these new exhibits in an area that
used to be storage space.

Interestingly, a few years after Prevratil left Six Flags, he converted
Movie World: Cars of the Stars into a fun house (Movie World: A World of
Fun). The owners of Movie World originally wanted to be located very
close to Movieland, so that people leaving the wax museum would then
want to go and see Movie World's famous cars and props. Unfortunately,
Movie World ended up being built a few miles away on Orangethorpe (the
building is now occupied by the Leech Company, an aerospace firm).

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Say man, What about Pallisades Park? I heard that all thee nonstop
rowdie cats were always on the make for swingin bashes at Pallisades.
Any of you folks ever been there? like, I've seen some real crazy
pictures of this place from when they had a battle of the surfing bands
there and it looked like it wuz thee ultimate! dig like, It looked like
it put the Teenage Fair to shame.

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In article <01bd9674$dba15cc0$aa09b3d1@default>,

Not exactly, but there were several places like this scattered all
over the LA area. For example, there was one on Topanga Canyon
Blvd, at Victory Blve, next to the Topanga Theater. It had
some rides, giant slides, trampolines, and a miniature golf
course. Where the rides were, last time I looked, was now
a used car lot, but the miniature golf course is still there,
but is fenced off.

Jon Nadelberg

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In article <199806130503...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,

TheCSkier <thec...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>3. Thanks to whoever brought up the Olde Towne mall in Torrance. We lived
>near there (in Palos Verdes) and have been trying to remember what that was
>called for years. Neat place! (Does anyone remember the "Treasury"?)


You mean the department store?

Jon Nadelberg

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In article <35821385...@pacbell.net>,

Mr A's Disneyland Fan <GUIN...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>My family and I lucked out we went to POP's on the last day it was
>opened. Is There anything left? There also was a Santa's Village in the
>Santa Cruz area on Hwy. 9. It has been closed for about 25 years. It is
>about to become a Safeway Riteaid shopping center.
>

The Santa's Village on Hwy 17 near Santa Cruz burned to the ground
a few years ago, and is now the site of Borland software. Borland
changed it's name a couple of months ago, so I don't know what
the company is now.

It's a $500 million palace that is beyond belief. The construction
of this building pretty much killed Borland.


Mr A's Disneyland Fan

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Yes your right it was on Hwy 17. I got confused with the new shopping
center on Hwy 9.


DLoriso

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Does anyone remember a now defunct Southern california theme park that featured
a live action animal show...it was set in the jungle (the show that is) with a
set that looked like Tarzan's hangout. Anyway, there was animals in the show, a
Tarzan and his mate type of characters and a GREAT WHITE HUNTER type of
character who was dragged into the water by a creature from the black lagoon
type of "gill man" monster who popped out of the water (and subsequently scared
the crap out of this 8 year old back in the 70s)..does this sound familiar to
anyone?????

Mr A's Disneyland Fan

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Borland is now Imprise


Mr A's Disneyland Fan

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Dose anyone remember Frontier Village in San Jose CA.


gjw

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Steve! wrote:

>
> Yes! I remember wondering for years what the hell happened to the "art
> museum" portion of Movieland, and I remember the black box being just about
> the most terrifying and traumatic thing in my pre-teen life. In addition to
> the FX they also had live actors from what I remember, and people who tried to
> grab you. A few years later I came back and the back box was gone, I was
> pissed, even though it scared the bejeezus out of me it was a very cool
> exhibit. Did the horror exhibit really cut into that much of the Living Art's
> space? I thought it was in a seperate building, I always figured they
> replaced it with that crappo pizza place they used to have there.

It WAS in a separate building. They turned it into an outdoor patio
restaurant at first, with a Mexican/California theme, sort of like
Fiesta Village, with live entertainent on the patio. It folded. Now it
has become "Po Folks" restaurant, offering American food at relatively
low prices.

Also, remember the large gift shop outside Movieland? It's now a
Starbucks!

gjw

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TheCSkier wrote:

> 3. Thanks to whoever brought up the Olde Towne mall in Torrance. We lived
> near there (in Palos Verdes) and have been trying to remember what that was
> called for years. Neat place! (Does anyone remember the "Treasury"?)

The large department/grocery store across from Del Amo mall? Sure do.

I like Old Towne mall, and I never understood why it didn't do better
business. It was the only heavily-themed, amusement-oriented mall in
L.A. I'm sorry it folded. A few years back, they gutted the mall and it
is now a mediocre outdoor shopping center. What a waste.

jwi...@usa.net

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I believe that was The Enchanted Village. It opened in June 1976 and
only lasted a year or so. It was on the same location as the old
Japaneese Deer Park. As a side note, the head animal trainer there
was Boone Narr who does a lot of the Hollywood films invovling animals
these days.


KensStudio

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>I seem to recall a very small amusement park in the Monterey
>Park/Montebello area of the San Gabriel Valley. For the life of me, I
>can't remember the name, but I know the Park had some type of
>Hawaiian/Polynesian theme. I also remember a train ride and haunted
>house, but not much else. Does that ring any bells?

We believe this place was called 'The Tiki's'. Oh, and don't forget that
'Planes of Fame' was next door to 'Cars of Stars' at Movie world.

Jon Nadelberg

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Yeah, I ate there. Had the "all you can eat" chicken fried steak.

Uck.


Ross Plesset

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The place at La Cienega and Beverly was one of the amusement parks that
Walt visited when preparing DL. I saw home movies of it on a PBS
mini-series called "Things That Aren't There Anymore," which aired about
2 or 3 years ago. I may not have the title exactly right. It might have
been "Things That Aren't Here Any More." It also showed things like the
red cars and The Brown Derby on Wilshire.

Regarding Enchanted Village, a friend of mine remembers seeing a person
dressed as Creature From The Black Lagoon. I went to Enchanted Village
but don't remember anything about it, except that it was at the same
location as Japanese Village and that the theming had changed. That
animal show sounds really neat. I usually don't care for animal shows
but I would go to that one if I had the chance.

Sheila

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Genghis <Gen...@spammers.will.be.dealt.with.loop.com> wrote in article
<Genghis-2708...@p04.hwts13.loop.net>...
> I believe this place that you are thinking of, Sheila, was Beverly Park.
> My mom would take me there when we both had rough days, and she'd enjoy
> herself, watching go on all of those nifty kid rides. I remember the
> place being at Faiffax and Beverly, but I could be wrong (I was about 4
or
> 5, then). I remember the small rolercoasters, and I also remember a
> locomotive ride of sorts, that wound through various outdoor settings.
> Does anyone else remember this place? Sheila and I NEED to know! ;-)
>
> -Genghis (thinking of some fine memories...)

Ooooh! I JUST got my "Designing Disney's Theme Parks" book delivered from
amazon, and while reading it, happened upon this quote (p. 32):

"Disney often talked about his own baleful experiences in the 1930s, when
his daughters were young and every weekend was a struggle to find something
they could all do together. The kiddie rides on La Cienega Boulevard
stranded Daddy on a bench watching Diane and Sharon go round and round.
There had to be a better way...."

I think you may be right. I think it was called Beverly Park. Maybe this
is the same place as in the quote? :-)

The hunt is on...

KensStudio

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>Ooooh! I JUST got my "Designing Disney's Theme Parks" book delivered from
>amazon, and while reading it, happened upon this quote (p. 32):
>
>"Disney often talked about his own baleful experiences in the 1930s, when
>his daughters were young and every weekend was a struggle to find something
>they could all do together. The kiddie rides on La Cienega Boulevard
>stranded Daddy on a bench watching Diane and Sharon go round and round.
>There had to be a better way...."
>
>I think you may be right. I think it was called Beverly Park. Maybe this
>is the same place as in the quote? :-)
>
>The hunt is on...
>
>Sheila
>
>** A.D.D. -- It's A Good Thing! **
></PRE></HTML>

Yes, indeed. It's the same place.

MRus876036

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When I was young I would read Dennis the Menace comic books. One of them was
Dennis and his family visiting Frontier Village. They issued another where
Dennis the Menace was on the Queen Mary. Does eany one else remember these...

Thanks
Mark

Mr A's Disneyland Fan

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Yes I remember the Queen Mary it is in Long Beach. Frontier Village was
in San Jose off of old 101. It was flatten down for a new industrial
park that became silicon valley.


gjw

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Jon Nadelberg wrote:

>
> Yeah, I ate there. Had the "all you can eat" chicken fried steak.
>
> Uck.

But consider how much they saved because you couldn't eat much! ;)

Grant Sullivan

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Although it is probably not related, there is an Enchanted Village still
operating today in Federal Way, Washington (about 15 minutes south of
Seattle on I-5).
It mainly a childrens amusement park and a holiday lights attraction in
December.
Last year, they opened a new steel coaster that has been geting great
reviews.
Enchanted Village is Washington States only real theme park. The Fun
Forrest at the Seattle Center is not much more than a carvinal.

Allyn Fratkin

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> Sheila wrote:
> >> Actually, when I was a very little girl, there used to be a theme park on
> >> La Cienega (?) near where the Beverly Center is now.

In article <Genghis-2708...@p04.hwts13.loop.net>, Gen...@spammers.will.be.dealt.with.loop.com (Genghis) writes:
> I believe this place that you are thinking of, Sheila, was Beverly Park.

...


> I remember the small rolercoasters, and I also remember a
> locomotive ride of sorts, that wound through various outdoor settings.
> Does anyone else remember this place? Sheila and I NEED to know! ;-)

yes! i loved that park. must have been in the late 60's, very early 70's.
it was on the southwest corner of beverly and la cienega, right across
the street from where the beverly center is now.

the locomotive ride was my fave: large yellow "cartoonish" locomotives is
what i remember. anyway, the locomotives didn't have trains because
they were basically kiddie roller coaster cars. my name for the park
was "trains don't hook on". (i was very little at the time).

what fun. i wonder if i can dig up some old photos...
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In article <3585bef1....@nntp2.tsoft.net>, emillerREMOV...@tsoft.com writes:
> Okay, the name of this place, "Po Folks," has stirred up an old memory
> for me: Poor Richard's Restaurant.
>
> Los Angeles, mid-to-late '60's, lots of mechanical toys in the dining
> room, such as an electric train and a giant toy panda that would swing
> back and forth in a swing. Toy store attached.

yes! i remember this place too, but much more vaguely than beverly park.
i think i only went to poor richard's once or twice. but i definitely have
vague memories of the place and the train that went around above the
dining room.

unfortunately, i don't really remember the toy shop.

Erik Miller

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On Sat, 13 Jun 1998 01:58:20 GMT, hrl...@netcom.com (H.R. Laser)
wrote:

>Jon Nadelberg (jo...@netcom.com) wrote:
>
>: You're probably thinking of the Old Towne Mall in Torrance, a few
>: blocks away from the Del Amo shopping mall.
>
>Which, by the way, no longer exists. Well it's still a mall, but a few
>years ago, they ripped out everything and remodelled it from Old Towne
>into a regular shopping mall.. the unique stuff is long gone.

At least one piece of it will be back up and entertaining folks soon.

They had the carousel from San Francisco's Playland At The Beach. This
ride is being returned to San Francisco to run at the new children's
center at Yerba Buena Center (the area around Moscone Center).

Erik Miller
emiller at tsoft dot com
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rya...@cwnet.com

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jo...@netcom.com (Jon Nadelberg) wrote:
>
> >Now it has become "Po Folks" restaurant, offering American food at relatively
> >low prices.
>
> Yeah, I ate there. Had the "all you can eat" chicken fried steak.
>
> Uck.
>
I thought that chain folded. I went to the Sacramento branch w/ my redneck
family once. They thought it was OK, as I remember. Seemed like it was there
less than a year. Then several years later, I heard about the chain folding.

Masselin
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Erik Miller

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On Sun, 14 Jun 1998 07:40:52 GMT, jo...@netcom.com (Jon Nadelberg)
wrote:

>In article <358350...@loop.com>, gjw <g...@loop.com> wrote:
>>Steve! wrote:
>>It WAS in a separate building. They turned it into an outdoor patio
>>restaurant at first, with a Mexican/California theme, sort of like

>>Fiesta Village, with live entertainent on the patio. It folded. Now it


>>has become "Po Folks" restaurant, offering American food at relatively
>>low prices.
>>
>
>Yeah, I ate there. Had the "all you can eat" chicken fried steak.
>
>Uck.

Okay, the name of this place, "Po Folks," has stirred up an old memory


for me: Poor Richard's Restaurant.

Los Angeles, mid-to-late '60's, lots of mechanical toys in the dining
room, such as an electric train and a giant toy panda that would swing
back and forth in a swing. Toy store attached.

A "theme restaurant" 30 years before its time; a forerunner to Chuck
E. Cheese.

I think the idea was that you were supposed to take your kids there
for birthday dinners and then buy them stuff from the toy shop.

I also remember the toy shop having lots of cool stuff that you
couldn't get elsewhere (which means the department stores of the day),
like a poseable rubber hand with a big suction cup at the wrist and so
forth. Toys from a different dimension; nothing made by the big
manufacturers.

Nobody I know from L.A. can remember this place, but it loomed large
in my childhood. I don't remember how the food was, but I bet the
desserts were great.

H. Martini

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Wow...I completely forgot about Poor Richard's. Sort of a F.A.O. Schwartz
with a restaurant. Hey, here's one: Anyone remember Farrell's Ice Cream
Parlor? It was a small chain that had several restaurants here in Southern
California. Was themed kinda like Carnation used to be, sort of
turn-of-the-century with red and white stripes everywhere. If it was your
birthday, they'd come out with a big bass drum and make all kinds of noise
and embarass the birthday person. They had all these ice cream concoctions
like "The Pig Trough" which actually looked like one, and if you ate the
whole thing (by yourself) they gave you a medal that said,"I'm a Pig!" They
had a player piano and roaming banjo players (like Shakey's!), and it was
just a generally chaotic scene. I loved it! And the candy shop, which
always reminded me of the one at Disneyland. I guess the Seventies weren't
completely horrible.

Cheers,

Martini

Erik Miller <emillerREMOV...@tsoft.com> wrote in article
<3585bef1....@nntp2.tsoft.net>...

DanS3

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In article <3583136D...@pacbell.net>, Mr A's Disneyland Fan
<GUIN...@pacbell.net> writes:

>Dose anyone remember Frontier Village in San Jose CA.

Yessir, I do! It's now condos, of course.... :-(


Dan Steinberg
("It's NOT about magic anymore, it's about the profits." - anonymous Disneyland
VP)


Pantryman

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Beverly Park was located on what is now the Beverly Center.

Matt
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Ross Plesset

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The Queen Mary tour was quite different in 1977, when I first went
there. There was an exhibit underscoring the importance of water
conservation. They had a large globe resembling the the moon and a sign
under it said "This is what the earth could look like in 1988 if we
continue to consume water at the present rate." Of course, at the time
1988 was the great "undiscovered country."

My favorite part of The Queen Mary tour was the under sea lab which was
set sometime after The Year 2000. People sat down in a theater and on
stage was a futuristic lab (there might have been windows looking out
into the deep sea but I'm not sure). Sitting down at a computer console
was an animatronic scientist which was controlled by an operator off
stage (much more elaborate than the inarticulate Sad Eye Joe, but not
nessecarily better). After delivering a speil, the scientist answered
questions from the audience. Much of his speil was too technical for me
(I was 9) but I loved the attraction so much that I somehow got my
parents--who don't like this type of attraction--to take me through it
again.

Does anyone of an audio recording of this attraction or photos? Does
anyone else even remember it?

Jon Nadelberg

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In article <6m3ivv$95g$1...@newsd-152.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,

Ross Plesset <RPle...@webtv.net> wrote:
>The Queen Mary tour was quite different in 1977, when I first went
>there. There was an exhibit underscoring the importance of water
>conservation. They had a large globe resembling the the moon and a sign
>under it said "This is what the earth could look like in 1988 if we
>continue to consume water at the present rate." Of course, at the time
>1988 was the great "undiscovered country."


If that's what they said, then that's pretty bad science. What did they
think we were doing with the water, sending it to Venus?


BS

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Moth...@webtv.net wrote:
>
> Cars of the Stars was great. You could go through the whole place by
> yourself. I remember after it closed they had an auction and someone
> actually got to buy Robbie the Robot...

Marineland displayed Robbie for awhile, also. Where is (the original)
Robbie now?

> ...
> The Long Beach Pike at the end was sad...

Yes, but it was worth the price just to ride the electric bumper cars.
They were the heaviest and most powerful bumper cars I've ever seen. You
could actually turn them over, rounding the curves.

Speaking of cars, Knott's used to have some great gasoline-powered cars
on a track in a corner of the parking lot. Each car was uniquely
hand-built and the track did not have a center guide rail, so that you
could actually have collisions that the ride operators would have to pry
the cars apart.

--

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gjw

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H. Martini wrote:
>
> Wow...I completely forgot about Poor Richard's. Sort of a F.A.O. Schwartz
> with a restaurant. Hey, here's one: Anyone remember Farrell's Ice Cream
> Parlor? It was a small chain that had several restaurants here in Southern
> California.

Yes, there was one on Hawthorne Blvd (same street as Old Towne Mall,
except several miles to the south), in Torrance. Never got the chance to
go there.

Steve!

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RPle...@webtv.net (Ross Plesset) wrote:
>The Queen Mary tour was quite different in 1977, when I first went
>there. There was an exhibit underscoring the importance of water
>conservation. They had a large globe resembling the the moon and a sign
>under it said "This is what the earth could look like in 1988 if we
>continue to consume water at the present rate." Of course, at the time
>1988 was the great "undiscovered country."
>
>My favorite part of The Queen Mary tour was the under sea lab which was
>set sometime after The Year 2000. People sat down in a theater and on
>stage was a futuristic lab (there might have been windows looking out
>into the deep sea but I'm not sure). Sitting down at a computer console
>was an animatronic scientist which was controlled by an operator off
>stage (much more elaborate than the inarticulate Sad Eye Joe, but not
>nessecarily better). After delivering a speil, the scientist answered
>questions from the audience. Much of his speil was too technical for me
>(I was 9) but I loved the attraction so much that I somehow got my
>parents--who don't like this type of attraction--to take me through it
>again.
>
>Does anyone of an audio recording of this attraction or photos? Does
>anyone else even remember it?
>

I have vague childhood memories of the QM having some sort of little pool
somewhere within the ship that you could play with sea urchins. I'm not sure
if it really existed since when I asked many years later where it was I got a
look from the guy working there like I was wearing a pink bunny suit and had
asked "could you point the way to the elbow farm? I've got to get my watch
repaired."

Steve!


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>
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In article <6m476b$527$1...@usenet36.supernews.com>,

The second class swimming pool was removed to make way for a puppet show
or some other stupid thing a few years ago. It was supposed to even
be haunted. But you're probably thinking of a Jauque Cousteau exhibit
which was located where they had removed practically the entire
engine room. If memory serves.

George C. Cohan

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gjw wrote:

>
> H. Martini wrote:
> >
> > Hey, here's one: Anyone remember Farrell's Ice Cream
> > Parlor? It was a small chain that had several restaurants here in Southern
> > California.
>
> Yes, there was one on Hawthorne Blvd (same street as Old Towne Mall,
> except several miles to the south), in Torrance. Never got the chance to
> go there.

I remember it! I believe there is still on in San Diego too.

Jon Nadelberg

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In article <3585A4...@earthlink.net>,


Last time I drove by a couple months ago, there was a derelict one
on Canoga Avenue at Ventura Blvd.

David Stinson

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In article <6m48fg$3fv$1...@usenet40.supernews.com>, BS <W...@a.duck?> wrote:
>Moth...@webtv.net wrote:
>>
>> Cars of the Stars was great. You could go through the whole place by
>> yourself. I remember after it closed they had an auction and someone
>> actually got to buy Robbie the Robot...
>
>Marineland displayed Robbie for awhile, also. Where is (the original)
>Robbie now?

Bill Malone's (Bill's the guy who restored him to original standards - as well
as the original LOS robot).

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In article <3585A0...@loop.com>, g...@loop.com wrote:
>H. Martini wrote:
>>
>> Wow...I completely forgot about Poor Richard's. Sort of a F.A.O. Schwartz
>> with a restaurant. Hey, here's one: Anyone remember Farrell's Ice Cream

>> Parlor? It was a small chain that had several restaurants here in Southern
>> California.
>
>Yes, there was one on Hawthorne Blvd (same street as Old Towne Mall,
>except several miles to the south), in Torrance. Never got the chance to
>go there.

There was one in Huntington Beach that I used to go to. Good burgers, great
ice cream, zany atmosphere.

Many's the trough...

Deadra

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Sheila scribbled:

>Hi, all:


>
>Actually, when I was a very little girl, there used to be a theme park on

>La Cienega (?) near where the Beverly Center is now. Lots of people had
>their kid's birthday parties there. The park had geese and ducks roaming
>loose, and some very cool kiddie rollercoasters. I think the park was
>pretty much torn down in the 1970's. I just can't remember the name of it.
>
>The park was featured on this wonderful show produced a few years back by
>Ralph Story (boy, do I miss his L.A. shows) and the show centered on
>attractions and other landmarks that no longer exist in L.A.


That would be Kiddieland!
& I did have a birthday party there!

Deadra


--
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tried before." - Mae West

Deadra

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H. Martini scribbled:

>Anyone remember Farrell's Ice Cream
>Parlor? It was a small chain that had several restaurants here in Southern
>California. Was themed kinda like Carnation used to be, sort of
>turn-of-the-century with red and white stripes everywhere. If it was your
>birthday, they'd come out with a big bass drum and make all kinds of noise
>and embarass the birthday person. They had all these ice cream concoctions
>like "The Pig Trough" which actually looked like one, and if you ate the
>whole thing (by yourself) they gave you a medal that said,"I'm a Pig!" They
>had a player piano and roaming banjo players (like Shakey's!), and it was
>just a generally chaotic scene. I loved it! And the candy shop, which
>always reminded me of the one at Disneyland. I guess the Seventies weren't
>completely horrible.


Yup.
I had a birthday party there too.

Deadra- partyin' at places that don't exist anymore. We won't mention
clubs..........

David Tunbo

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Go and rent "Guide For The Married Man" (1965 w/Steve Morse and Walter
Mathow). There are a few scenes at the begining shot at Beverly Park.

David

Charles P. Hobbs

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Sheila wrote:
>

> Actually, when I was a very little girl, there used to be a theme park on
> La Cienega (?) near where the Beverly Center is now. Lots of people had
> their kid's birthday parties there. The park had geese and ducks roaming
> loose, and some very cool kiddie rollercoasters. I think the park was
> pretty much torn down in the 1970's. I just can't remember the name of it.

Beverly Park? I remember going there for a birthday party when I
was in first grade (1972?) I only remember going there once.

Another similar, but smaller park, was "Kiddyland" in either Hawthorne
or Torrance, on Hawthorne Blvd. It had a ferris wheel, and some other
minor rides. . .

Not really a theme park, but there was also a "Marionnette" puppet show
place somewhere in Echo Park (just northeast of Downtown LA) I went to,
also in the early 70's. For all I know, it might still exist, although
I did hear a few years back that it was threatening to close due to
lack of interest . . .

Charles P. Hobbs

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George C. Cohan wrote:
>
> gjw wrote:
> >
> > H. Martini wrote:
> > >
> > > Hey, here's one: Anyone remember Farrell's Ice Cream

> > > Parlor? It was a small chain that had several restaurants here in Southern
> > > California.
> >
> > Yes, there was one on Hawthorne Blvd (same street as Old Towne Mall,
> > except several miles to the south), in Torrance. Never got the chance to
> > go there.
>
> I remember it! I believe there is still on in San Diego too.

There was a Farrell's thread several months back in
alt.culture.us.1980s.

I remember doing a net search and finding two stores still open in
the San Diego area, but that was all. (There's still a burnt-out looking
abandoned Farrell's store somewhere in Tarzana. . .)

Charles P. Hobbs

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DLoriso wrote:
>
> There was also a Farrel's Ice Cream Shoppe at the Montclair Plaza in
> SoCal.

I remember going to that one for another birthday party or something
like that . . .

Charles P. Hobbs

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DLoriso wrote:
>
> >I seem to recall a very small amusement park in the Monterey
> >Park/Montebello area of the San Gabriel Valley. For the life of me, I
> >can't remember the name, [...]

Speaking of the San Gabriel Valley, anyone remember Gay's Lion Farm?
(No, no, not *that* kind of "gay"!). It was supposedly a place where
the public could go see famous big cats, like the MGM Lion, etc.

It's commemmorated at the El Monte Metrolink station, by the way. . .

Charles P. Hobbs

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gjw wrote:
>

> I like Old Towne mall, and I never understood why it didn't do better
> business

It did well for a while (I still kind of remember the TV commercial
jingles), but Del Amo Mall just south of it probably stole all of
Old Towne's thunder, but good. (I think Del Amo may be the biggest mall
in all of Southern California)!

Ross Plesset

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As far as I know, Bob Baker's Marionettes is still in Echo Park. I LOVED
their shows as a kid. Once I went on a behind-the-scenes tour and was
shown the large, translucent alien from "Close Encounters," which Bob
Baker's company built.

LuvDisney

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Santas Village (hwy 18) has recently closed but is being turned into
"Wildhaven" (I think that's the name) for all the injured/abandond
animals ect.. we have up here. It also will do education ect...

°o° LuvDisney °o°
~~I'll have a "Venti Almond Mocha"~~
(My Starbucks Order)

LuvDisney

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Boy that takes me back... I haven't taken the tour of the Queen Mary
since my very early childhood. About fifteen years ago I was on the ship
for a job relate formal dinner with my father and had a strange
experience (post or email if intrested in story) and in the last month
while relateing the story to a few friends I was told that the ship is
believed to be haunted a fact I had never knew. Now, of course, I'd like
to know more about this.

LuvDisney

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I LOVED Farrells,I searched high and low after hearing rumors that one
shoppe had survived but alas to no avail. This place always reminded me
of DL and my favourite thing was their jaw breakers. I always got the
largest one they had (tennis ball size) my brother and I would wrap them
and then put them in a tube sock and beat them on the patio untill they
broke, Gosh I can taste it now! = )

Ross Plesset

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I remember the commercial for the Old Towne Shopping Mall. A cowboy's
pants fall down, exposing poca-dotted underwear and a narrator said
"Drop everything! Come to the Old Town Shopping Mall in Torrance."

I remember it being crowded in the early '70s. There were lines for the
double-decker merry-go-round and for a large smorgasborg (sp?). The next
time I went there was on a school field trip in 1978 (I don't know how
my teacher justified a school field trip to Old Towne, but I'm glad he
did) and it was pretty empty then. There were no waits for the
merry-go-round, the dark ride or anything else.

I went back there in the fall of 1990, assuming it was still there. Much
to my disappointment, it had been transformed into an outdoor mini mall,
which another poster described. After walking around there for several
minutes, I spotted the double-decker carousel in a large, non-descript
room adjacent to a second-run movie complex. I frequented the second-run
theater through the mid-'90s (it was a nice theater) until it closed. I
haven't been back there since. I keep meaning to return there to see if
the carousel is still intact but I never have time.

BTW, I'm told that at some point a wax museum was added to Old Towne,
which payed homage to inventors from the turn of the century, such as
the Wright Brothers and Alexander Graham Bell (maybe that's why my field
trip was considered educational). The people who made the wax figures
admit that they were sub-standard--80 of them had to be banged out in
very little time. The wax museum sounds familiar but I can't say I ever
went there. I'm told they sold post cards of it.

LuvDisney

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Largest S. CAL. mall isn't Dell Amo it supposedly is the new Ontario
Mills Mall in Ontario, CA. (By Rancho Cucamonga)

timc...@nospamunlimited.net

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On Mon, 15 Jun 1998 15:47:34 -0700, "George C. Cohan"
<dope...@earthlink.net> wrote:

>gjw wrote:
>>
>> H. Martini wrote:
>> >
>> > Hey, here's one: Anyone remember Farrell's Ice Cream
>> > Parlor? It was a small chain that had several restaurants here in Southern
>> > California.
>>
>> Yes, there was one on Hawthorne Blvd (same street as Old Towne Mall,
>> except several miles to the south), in Torrance. Never got the chance to
>> go there.
>
>I remember it! I believe there is still on in San Diego too.

One in Sacramento was the site of an airplane crash that killed a
bunch of people in 1976.
Carol McE

GoVerticl

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>One in Sacramento was the site of an airplane crash that killed a
>bunch of people in 1976.

Yup...and an accident that could have been easily avoided. The pilot survived,
too.

-John
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http://members.aol.com/goverticl

Bruce Bergman

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On 16 Jun 1998 07:08:46 GMT, Gen...@spammers.will.be.dealt.with.loop.com
(Genghis) wrote:

>- Genghis (who has earned THREE "Piggy Trough" Blue Ribbons!)

Only 3? You obviously didn't try hard enough. <;-)

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I remember them! There was one i the North Riverside mall in ILLINOIS about 20 years ago (must
have been closed for at least 15 years or so). Didn't they have a 30 scoop sundae?

TwinkerMom wrote:

> I've heard there is one in the San Diego area. I'm not sure where, but I think I can find out.
>
> Linda
> Cindy Yan wrote in message <01bd9948$d7e5d260$90629cd1@default>...
> >
> >Matt Mendenhall <ke6...@die.spambot.die.com> wrote in article
> ><6m59pg$dqi$2...@supernews.com>...
> >> Celebrated many a birthday at Farrell's (BOOM!!! BOOM!!! BOOM!!!). They
> >were
> >> purchased by a big corporation, perhaps Marriott, and were closed about
> >six
> >> months later. The Downey store was bought by two of the managers and kept
> >open
> >> for about a year under another name. It finally folded when the mall
> >> remodeled. As of about a year ago, there was still a location in
> >Rosemead,
> >> Rosemead Blvd about 1/2 mile North of the 10, West side of the street.
> >
> >Not there anymore, Matt. I drove by a couple weeks ago specifically to
> >look. It's still an ice cream parlour (though I forget the name of it),
> >but it's not Farrell's anymore.
> >
> >However, if you'd like me to do some research to see if the place is any
> >good, I'd be happy to oblige...
> >
> >--
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> >
> >
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> >
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Ginger

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Jon Nadelberg wrote:
>
> In article <6m6sc2$i...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>,
> Al Lutz <alweho...@aol.com> wrote:
> >Jon Nadelberg wrote
> >> Del Amo is ridiculously overlarge. What's
> >> the point in having such a huge mall?
> >> The fact that you get two Hot Dog on
> >> a Stick joints in one mall does not do
> >> it for me, I guess.
> >
> >Jon, I don't think anyone even cares what Hot Dog on a Stick serves.
> >
>
> I don't know, have you ever had the cherry lemonaide?

Yummy, I love Hot Dog on a Stick, bring it to DL!

Ginger-X

Bluuefaery

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>A bit off subject, But I heard that their building a LegoLand in San Diego.

Yep, in Carlsbad right behind the flower fields

LawdieBerra

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Speaking of Knott's, does anyone remember Jungle Island? Where exactly
was it? When did they remove it? I went there with my Scout troop
once, and all I can remember is a lot of bougainvillea, treehouses and
slides and stuff, and feeling frustrated at being *at* Knott's Berry
Farm but not quite *in* it.

-Lawdie

BS wrote:
>
>
> Speaking of cars, Knott's used to have some great gasoline-powered cars
> on a track in a corner of the parking lot. Each car was uniquely
> hand-built and the track did not have a center guide rail, so that you
> could actually have collisions that the ride operators would have to pry
> the cars apart.
>


gjw

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LawdieBerra wrote:
>
> Speaking of Knott's, does anyone remember Jungle Island? Where exactly
> was it? When did they remove it? I went there with my Scout troop
> once, and all I can remember is a lot of bougainvillea, treehouses and
> slides and stuff, and feeling frustrated at being *at* Knott's Berry
> Farm but not quite *in* it.

Sure do. It was right next to (behind) Independence Hall. Just a small
"island" surrounded by a stream (and a small lake between it and the
Hall, with ducks) with lots of tropical foliage, some wooden animals,
and the like. But it was great for kids with lots of imagination. Alas,
they wasted the place, and turned the general area into a picnic ground
for business meetings.

Steve Hoskins

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In article <199806171852...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
bluue...@aol.com (Bluuefaery) wrote:

>>A bit off subject, But I heard that their building a LegoLand in San Diego.
>
>Yep, in Carlsbad right behind the flower fields

Actually a little south of there....the flower fields are at Palomar Road.
Legoland will be at Cannon Road, which is 2 miles south of Palomar.

Steve Hoskins

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In article <OCbE6jYm9GA.51@upnetnews05>,
"Daniel Montes" <Dash...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>A bit off subject, But I heard that their building a LegoLand in San Diego.

Legoland will actually be in Carlsbad, just south of Oceanside. It will be on
Cannon Road, just east of I-5 according to a folder for the place that I
found.

If you're really desperate to find out about the place, they have a Marketing
Department telephone number on the folder, it is (760) 438-5346. The place
will open in Spring, 1999.

Steve Hoskins

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In article <35882B...@thedoghousemail.com>,
LawdieBerra <Lawdi...@thedoghousemail.com> wrote:

>Speaking of Knott's, does anyone remember Jungle Island? Where exactly
>was it? When did they remove it? I went there with my Scout troop
>once, and all I can remember is a lot of bougainvillea, treehouses and
>slides and stuff, and feeling frustrated at being *at* Knott's Berry
>Farm but not quite *in* it.

It was on the east side of Beach Blvd., even east of the Independence Hall
building, where now there is nothing but parking lots. They also had a
miniature train that circled a lake there.

>>BS wrote:
>> Speaking of cars, Knott's used to have some great gasoline-powered cars
>> on a track in a corner of the parking lot. Each car was uniquely
>> hand-built and the track did not have a center guide rail, so that you
>> could actually have collisions that the ride operators would have to pry
>> the cars apart.

Henry's Auto Livery. It was at the southeast corner of the main property,
near the corner of Beach Blvd. & Crescent Avenue. They also had a small
barn there where they kept the battery powered San Francisco Cable Cars.
Once those were discontinued, they were actually sold BACK to San Francisco
Municipal Railway and rebuilt to real cable cars again and some of them
still ply the hills.

TwinkerMom

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Knott's also had a small pond at the corner of Beach & Crescent. You paid for the opportunity to fish. I remember doing it once when I was small.

Linda


Charles P. Hobbs

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gjw wrote:
>

> To understand why Del Amo is so big, here's a little of the history
> behind it:
>
> Originally, it was two separate malls. [...]

Speaking of other stores in that general area (the topic police will
bust me, but . . .) anyone remember "Wallach's Music City" in Hawthorne?
It was a big TV/appliance store that also sold/rented pianos, other
musical instruments, and sold lots of sheet music. It was also where
I was first exposed to video games (those "Pong" things you hooked up
to your TV). It closed its doors in '78, if I recall correctly . ..

LuvDisney

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I use to go to Knott's just to ride those cars, as I recall they were
inexpensve to ride and fun. The ride attendants use to let me ride for
free, a good thing when your to young to have any real money but old
enough to not get it from your parents.

Roy Batty

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> Originally, it was two separate malls. [...]
>>
>>Speaking of other stores in that general area (the topic police will
>>bust me, but . . .) anyone remember "Wallach's Music City" in Hawthorne?
>>It was a big TV/appliance store that also sold/rented pianos, other
>>musical instruments, and sold lots of sheet music. It was also where
>>I was first exposed to video games (those "Pong" things you hooked up
>>to your TV). It closed its doors in '78, if I recall correctly . ..
>
>
>They also had a store in the Topanga Plaza mall. You could go in
>and listen to records in little booths before you bought them. Kind
>of like what they are starting to do again now with CDs at places
>like Borders or the Virgin Megastore.

I believe the main store was on the nw corner of sunset & vine where the
strip mall that holds the Radio Shack is now located. It was a music.

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Bluuefaery wrote in message
<199806171852...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...


>>A bit off subject, But I heard that their building a LegoLand in San
Diego.
>

>Yep, in Carlsbad right behind the flower fields

Could you imagine what LEGO beanies would look like? I bet it be hard to
snap them together.

Cypher
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Jon Nadelberg

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In article <35889E...@primenet.com>,

Charles P. Hobbs <tra...@primenet.com> wrote:
>gjw wrote:
>>
>
>> To understand why Del Amo is so big, here's a little of the history
>> behind it:
>>

Erik Miller

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On 17 Jun 1998 21:47:01 -0700, "Charles P. Hobbs"
<tra...@primenet.com> wrote:

>Speaking of other stores in that general area (the topic police will
>bust me, but . . .) anyone remember "Wallach's Music City" in Hawthorne?
>It was a big TV/appliance store that also sold/rented pianos, other
>musical instruments, and sold lots of sheet music. It was also where
>I was first exposed to video games (those "Pong" things you hooked up
>to your TV). It closed its doors in '78, if I recall correctly . ..

It was an institution. Neil Young bought his Fender Deluxe there, an
amplifier whose tone thousands of guitarists (myself included) have
tried to emulate.

This thread has strayed so far from topic that it's about to turn into
its own newsgroup!

Ross Plesset

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Knott's Jungle Island was reached by crossing a bridge (although I'm
told that the lagoon was shallow enough to walk through and some kids
did). I remember walking on trails through dense foliage past vignettes.
One vignette had cannibals standing around a large stew pot with a
safari guy in it. There was also a playground in a clearing. Kids
climbed on branches shaped like animals.

Jungle Island was located near Independence Hall (there's a large grass
clearing and some picnic tables where it used to be). A former-employee
tells me that it was torn down in the late '80s.

Ross Plesset

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"You'll always have a party at Farrel's," went the TV commercial. I
remember being there for my friend's 5th birthday (I always thought the
toys in the ice cream were a safety hazard) and at some point all the
birthday children stood up on their chairs while everyone else sang
"happy birthday."

As recently as 1984 there was a Farrell's in Temple City on Rosemead Of
course, by that time they had a lot of video games. 10 years ago I used
to drive by a closed up Farrell's on Reseda in Northridge (next to the
Peppertree Cinema) and it got increasingly dilapitated (graffiti, et
al.) until it was replaced by a video store a few years later.

Farrell's always reminded me of that Mary Tyler Moore episode where the
cast eats in a whimsical ice cream parlor and John Ritter is an
obnoxious waiter who ridicules people for ordering too little ice cream.

LawdieBerra

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Ross Plesset wrote:
>
>I always thought the toys in the ice cream were a safety hazard

So did Farrells, apparently. At some point they took the plastic
animals out of the Zoo Sundae. Choking hazard.

In case you care, the Farrells chain was owned by Marriott.

-Lawdie


Jon Nadelberg

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In article <358971...@thedoghousemail.com>,

Well, it was bought by Marriott and promptly destroyed by Marriott.

Marriott seems to enjoy doing this sort of thing.

Allyn Fratkin

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In article <3585FE...@primenet.com>, tra...@primenet.com writes:
> Not really a theme park, but there was also a "Marionnette" puppet show
> place somewhere in Echo Park (just northeast of Downtown LA) I went to,
> also in the early 70's.

i remember this one too. "bob baker marionettes". i think a went
there a couple of times for birthday parties. i vaguely remember
where is was but unfortunately i don't know any of the street names.

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Jun 18, 1998, 3:00:00 AM6/18/98
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In article <358971...@thedoghousemail.com>,
Lawdi...@thedoghousemail.com wrote:

> Ross Plesset wrote:
> >
> >I always thought the toys in the ice cream were a safety hazard
>
> So did Farrells, apparently. At some point they took the plastic
> animals out of the Zoo Sundae. Choking hazard.
>
> In case you care, the Farrells chain was owned by Marriott.

Only once it started to suck. When it was owned by some folks in Seattle,
it was great. Marriott took over and the portions got smaller... and
smaller... and smaller... and the prices got higher... and higher... and
higher... and as detailed in my other post on this topic today, they
started taking the FUN out of the place, somehow thinking it would improve
business!?!?!


(I love this group. DL *and* Farrell's in one place. :)

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Ross Plesset

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L.A.'s Metro Rail uses a lot of Lego technology, so there is a precedent
for that sort of thing in Southern California.

Ross Plesset

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Another part of the commercial just came back to me: "...so whether
you're 6 or 14 or right in between, you'll always have a party at
Farrells." I may have the ages wrong because I went to parties there
when I was as young as 5.

TheCSkier

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I remember that Farrell's in Torrance opposite the airport.. Every time we ate
there I would stare out the window and think of Sacremento.

Are the Farrell's stores still in business? I've been in Colorado for a few
years.

TCS (The Colorado Skier)
Colorado Springs, CO [Gateway to Colorado Ski Country]


TheCSkier

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L.A. Theme Park

Earlier in the thread someone stated that the "Beverly Park" kiddyland was
shown in the opening sequence of "Guide For A Married Man". I watched two
other scenes for that movie being filmed, in Westwood.

There was a Hertz lot at the corner of Wilshire and Walter Matthau would keep
driving a car out of the lot and then make one of his funny faces at the camera
by the street. [Did you ever notice that when an actor is shown drivng a car,
the window is always open?]

The several Hertz scenes were scattered thru the film as his character went out
every night to cheat on his wife and rented a car each time.

The other scene was him driving up and going inside a "Steam Baths" to recover
from his flings. The steam bath was just the normal back door for a Westwood
supermarket with a canopy added with the name. They did a long shot of the
car arriving, then a close up of Walter in the car, and a shot of him going
inside. Between shots an Asst. Director noted where the "passersby" and other
cars were located so they could be in the same place for the next shot.

In the street was one of those typical canvas chairs which said "Gene Kelly" on
the back. He was the Director.

Living in L.A. was/is fun. Someday I'll describe the filming of a great scene
from "Spartacus", shot at Universal.

Cheers, The Hollywood Skier

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