Disneyland TR
Bhrigga J. Holla
went to the parks a few days ago,the place looked great as usaul,real
clean,way cleaner then Universal Studios,had a great time choosing from all the
different kinds of attractions,unlike Universal Disney offers its guests a
variety of attractions,it was a nice break of the sit down films at Universal
Studios Hollywood.
Since Disneyland Resort offers 2 theme parks (unlike Universals one tiny
park)..we headed over to California Adventure and went on the amazing Soaring
over California...boy did this ride blow Universals Back to the Future out of
the water!!! I guess thats why Disney is number 1 in theme parks and Uni is a
distant second,Soaring kiked butt!!!
after that we went to Downtown Disney,had a great dinner at Catal,great food
and great service....it was sure a breath of fresh air compared to the horrible
service we got at CityWalks Hard Rock Cafe....I noticed the lack of gangs and
hoodlums at Downtown Disney,it was really nice since CityWalk is gang bangah'
infested and VERY dirty...trash blowing around everywhere...
overall our Disneyland Resort experienced was amazing...with all the great
rides and attractions to choose from we had a blast...I cant wait for Tower of
Terror to open up at Cali Adventure,it will surely be the nail in Universals
coffin =) cant wait!!! caio!
Bhrigga J. Holla
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Miles
USH? Whats the matter? Can't Disney stand up on it's own rather than
being compared to USH? Some TR...worthless.
Bhrigga J. Holla wrote:
GrimGrnGreg
cool trip report,my family and I were going to try to make a visit to
Universal Studios when we make our annual southern california visit,I think
after hearing your report we will just spend a extra day at the Disney resort.
thanks!!! :)
Grim Grinning Greg
MyKey (home)
"Miles" <mi...@huffords.phxjunkmail.com> wrote in message
> Geez, this is a TR?
C'mon. It was funny as hell. . .and he leaves no doubt as to which park
will be inducted into the Bhrigga J. (Holla Fame).
-Michael
Bhrigga J. Holla
>USH?
I just did...it was just a breathe of fresh air after our sub-standard visit
to Universal Studios a few months ago...is it my fault Disney provided a better
expeirence?
>Some TR...worthless.
no,your opinion is worthless and so is Gangiversal Studi-hoes...
Bhrigga J. Holla
oh your very welcome...Universal has gone downhll in recent yrs...my friends
and I call it "Gangiversal Studi-Hoez" because the crowd that goes there now a
days is gettin really bad...not a place for kids. Go to the Disneyland
Resort...make sure to check out "Believe,Magic in the Stars" ,its amazing!! =)
Miles
Bhrigga J. Holla wrote:
> I just did...it was just a breathe of fresh air after our sub-standard visit
> to Universal Studios a few months ago...is it my fault Disney provided a better
> expeirence?
A few months ago? A while back you stated it's been a year....and your
lack of knowledge about newer changes there suggests thats true. Stick
to your storie(s).
WallyBoag
As long as we are comparing Disneyland to USH....
Believe has absolutely NOTHING on Illuminations which kicks Believe's ass so
thoroughly that it hurts to sit.
Bhrigga J. Holla
>As long as we are comparing Disneyland to USH....
>Believe has absolutely NOTHING on Illuminations which kicks Believe's ass so
>thoroughly that it hurts to sit.
>
Im sure Illuminations is amazing,Disney always does great fireworks...how are
the fireworks at Universal? oops I forgot they dont have fireworks,thier too
cheap.
Coasterbuf
"Bhrigga J. Holla" <cande...@aol.comshady> wrote in message
news:20030424224049...@mb-m24.aol.com...
> >Geez, this is a TR? Can't you tell us about your visit without bashing
> >USH?
>
> I just did...it was just a breathe of fresh air after our sub-standard
visit
> to Universal Studios a few months ago...is it my fault Disney provided a
better
> expeirence?
>
Why would you visit someplace you already hate so much? You obviously will
NEVER have a good time at a Universal park, and I am curious why you would
spend money at a place that you don't find agreeable or a good value.It
really makes no sense. Of course that's assuming you actually went there,
which I doubt.
Coasterbuf (smelling another fraud)
WallyBoag
>are
>the fireworks at Universal? oops I forgot they dont have fireworks,thier too
>cheap.
They do have waterworld which I find to be better than Believe personally. But
I would rather see huge explosions and people lighting themselves on fire than
Believe's crappy fireworks.
Mr.Banks
Bhrigga J. Holla wrote:
>
> Im sure Illuminations is amazing,Disney always does great fireworks...how are
>the fireworks at Universal? oops I forgot they dont have fireworks,thier too
>cheap.
>
>
They are too cheap. This is what keep USH from being any competition to
Disney. They are short sighted and cheap.
>
>
Ben
I'm saying this as a friend...
If you want to do a DISNEYLAND TR and be taken seriously, you should try to
mention Disneyland *at least* as many times as you mention Universal.
In fact, it might be better for you if you stop mentioning Universal
all-together.
~Ben
"I love Mickey Mouse more than any woman I have ever known." --Walt Disney
**The preceding post was either the specific opinion of the author, or some
lame attempt at humor... but most likely it was both.
Ben
>As long as we are comparing Disneyland to USH....
>Believe has absolutely NOTHING on Illuminations which kicks Believe's ass so
>thoroughly that it hurts to sit.
I wasn't really into Illuminations... at least not the version I saw in 94. I
hear it's changed since then, so I can only hope it would be better.
Bhrigga J. Holla
>Disney. They are short sighted and cheap.
we finally agree on something.
Bhrigga J. Holla
the times Ive been to Uni ,its been for a reason...one time I went because a
friend from Chicago wanted to go,another time I went was for a birthday.every
time I been to Uni its been for a reason.
If Universal wasnt so hell bent on attacking Disney and then trying sooo hard
to BE Disney,maybe id like them more.
Bhrigga J. Holla
yuck,Waterworld is typical Uni cheeese.
WallyBoag
>
Waterworld is cheesey, but that sappy Believe crap isn't?
Bhrigga J. Holla
Beleive is way better then WaterWorld,you cant even compare the 2.
Universal doesnt make good shows,its not thier speciality at all...thier
shows are god-frikken-aweful.
that Beatlejuice show was nothin short of torture....Animal Planet Live is
not much better.
Matt
Bhrigga J. Holla wrote:
>>Waterworld is cheesey, but that sappy Believe crap isn't?
>
>
> Beleive is way better then WaterWorld,you cant even compare the 2.
> Universal doesnt make good shows,its not thier speciality at all...thier
> shows are god-frikken-aweful.
> that Beatlejuice show was nothin short of torture....Animal Planet Live is
> not much better.
> Bhrigga J. Holla
Troll
DSuperBee
>Troll
No, not a Troll, a Fan Boy. Much worse.
Brian Kast, Aka DSup...@aol.com
It was I, you fools! The man you trusted wasn't Wavy Gravy at all! And
all this time, I've been smoking harmless tobacco!
What was I laughing at now? ...Oh yes, that crippled Irishman!
Miles
Bhrigga J. Holla wrote:
>>As long as we are comparing Disneyland to USH....
>>Believe has absolutely NOTHING on Illuminations which kicks Believe's ass so
>>thoroughly that it hurts to sit.
>>
>
>
> Im sure Illuminations is amazing,Disney always does great fireworks...how are
> the fireworks at Universal? oops I forgot they dont have fireworks,thier too
> cheap.
Fireworks gets old pretty quick. They're nice but I don't need to see
them every night. Universals 4th of July show however is awesome.
Bhrigga J. Holla
>them every night. Universals 4th of July show however is awesome.
majority of society enjoy a good fireworks show,Beleive is a great show,with
graet music,it plays to huge crowds every time it shows,im sorry you dont find
fireworks coool but your a minority in this.
fireworks get old pretty quick but the same tired tram ride thats been
around forever isnt gettin old? just admit it,anything Universal you
love,anythign Disney you dont like
Bhrigga J. Holla
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Bhrigga J. Holla
>Brian Kast, Aka
yeah I am a huge Disney fan,Ill admit it,nothing wrong in that...you dont even
like Disney,you havent been to Disneyland in over a year,so why are you here?
voice from the past
> Chris,
> I'm saying this as a friend...
> If you want to do a DISNEYLAND TR and be taken seriously, you should try to
> mention Disneyland *at least* as many times as you mention Universal.
>
> In fact, it might be better for you if you stop mentioning Universal
> all-together.
>
>
> ~Ben
I think it's valid to express what thoughts entered the mind about a
bad experience in the past from a good experience in the today. He is
apparently just taking it further, into a cause.
voice from the past
voice from the past
> >Why would you visit someplace you already hate so much?
>
> the times Ive been to Uni ,its been for a reason...one time I went because a
> friend from Chicago wanted to go,another time I went was for a birthday.every
> time I been to Uni its been for a reason.
A friend took my girlfriend and myself to see Beauty and the Beast
there at their IMAX theater. That was pretty impressive, but the city
walk thing was no better than an outside mall. The problem with the
designs of public entertainment places is that they come out of
colleges and school rooms, and not the minds of possibility. This is
what made Disneyland magnificent: The renderings were drawn and
painted in the realms of exciting possibility and the projects were
taken there.
voice from the past
Joe
<20030425024947...@mb-m21.aol.com>:
>Wally wrote,
>>As long as we are comparing Disneyland to USH....
>>Believe has absolutely NOTHING on Illuminations which kicks Believe's
>>ass so thoroughly that it hurts to sit.
>I wasn't really into Illuminations... at least not the version I saw in
>94. I hear it's changed since then, so I can only hope it would be
>better.
Illuminations: Reflections of Earth is AMAZING. It's a pretty
fireworks show that tells the story of the earth all at the same time, so
there's levels for kids (BOOM! with music, not to mention the pyro
barge...), AND levels for adults (the moment humans first walk out of the
cave is moving to me). And (in the best Disney tradition) it pioneered the
pneumatic-launch fireworks technology with the fine-tunable timing on blasts
that makes Believe possible, so there you go.
-- Joe
Mr.Banks
WallyBoag wrote:
>>
>>
>They do have waterworld which I find to be better than Believe personally. But
>I would rather see huge explosions and people lighting themselves on fire than
>Believe's crappy fireworks.
>
>
Do you really think Believe's show has crappy fireworks? Or are you just
trying to piss off Chris?
Believe is one of the most sophisticated pyro shows around - certainly
the most sophisticated in any theme park.
I agree with you about WaterWorld. I think it's one of the two best
theme park shows in the world.
Banks
Mr.Banks
Miles wrote:
>
>
> Bhrigga J. Holla wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Im sure Illuminations is amazing,Disney always does great
>> fireworks...how are
>> the fireworks at Universal? oops I forgot they dont have
>> fireworks,thier too
>> cheap.
>
>
> Fireworks gets old pretty quick. They're nice but I don't need to see
> them every night. Universals 4th of July show however is awesome.
>
You must be talking about Florida because USH doesn't do aerial
fireworks. The studio is located too close to very rich homeowners.
Every year I pitch an aerial show and every year they turn me down. The
local City Council is under the thumb of the homeowners.
USH did a few aerial shows while the Japanese owned it - they LOVED to
spend money. Vevendi can't.
Banks
milesh
"Bhrigga J. Holla" wrote:
> >Fireworks gets old pretty quick. They're nice but I don't need to see
> >them every night. Universals 4th of July show however is awesome.
>
> majority of society enjoy a good fireworks show,Beleive is a great show,with
> graet music,it plays to huge crowds every time it shows,im sorry you dont find
> fireworks coool but your a minority in this.
> fireworks get old pretty quick but the same tired tram ride thats been
> around forever isnt gettin old? just admit it,anything Universal you
> love,anythign Disney you dont like
How'd we get from fireworks at DLR to USH's tram ride? Just admit it, you love
anything Disney does and can't stand it if someone doesn't like everything Disney
or likes something at another park.
milesh
"Bhrigga J. Holla" wrote:
> >No, not a Troll, a Fan Boy. Much worse.
> >Brian Kast, Aka
>
> yeah I am a huge Disney fan,Ill admit it,nothing wrong in that...you dont even
> like Disney,you havent been to Disneyland in over a year,so why are you here?
There is a difference between liking something and being obsessed with it.
milesh
"Mr.Banks" wrote:
> Do you really think Believe's show has crappy fireworks? Or are you just
> trying to piss off Chris?
>
> Believe is one of the most sophisticated pyro shows around - certainly
> the most sophisticated in any theme park.
>
For a nightly fireworks show you're probably right. I wish Disney would crank it
up on the 4th of July to the levels that parks such as Sea World and Universal
Orlando do.
milesh
"Mr.Banks" wrote:
> >
> You must be talking about Florida because USH doesn't do aerial
> fireworks. The studio is located too close to very rich homeowners.
> Every year I pitch an aerial show and every year they turn me down. The
> local City Council is under the thumb of the homeowners.
Yep...Universal Orlando. Sea World in both CA and FL also do supurb 4th
of July shows. I have not seen what Knotts or Magic Mountain do.
DSuperBee
>.you dont even
>like Disney,you havent been to Disneyland in over a year,so why are you here?
Sorry I do not get the enough to be considered a true "Fan". But, if by your
definition you are a disney fan, I'll take that as a compliment. As I stated
before, money is tight right now, nor do I have the desire to go to the park
more than once or twice a year. DL is not the only thing that entertains me.
I have not been there for a year, and probably will not go again until the
fall. I am pretty sure that there are people on this board who have not been
in a year as well, or even longer. They belong here as much as I do, and you.
WallyBoag
>trying to piss off Chris?
I really think its crappy fireworks. They are tiny little baby shells that
barely blow up. No big booms, no impressive shells that make you go oooh and
ahh. It relies too much on sappy sentiment and not enough on impressive
visuals. Most of the show is low level stuff that is uninteresting.
>Believe is one of the most sophisticated pyro shows around - certainly
>the most sophisticated in any theme park.
I would say that Illuminations and the show at Islands of Adventure are much
more sophisticated than believe. Illuminations is a more perfect choreographed
show with a much wider variety of effects including lazers and water fountains,
live fire effects and that spinning glob thing. Much more sophisticated if you
ask me. And has anyone besides me actualy seen the IOA fireworks show? It was
absolutely incredible!
>I agree with you about WaterWorld. I think it's one of the two best
>theme park shows in the world.
Yeah. I like that they show it daily there whereas to see a spectacular show at
Disneyland you have to go on a weekend or during the summer.
Bhrigga J. Holla
>of July shows. I have not seen what Knotts or Magic Mountain do.
>
miles-do you like Beleive?
Bhrigga J. Holla
I just think its funny how you dont mind going on the same old tram over n
over but Disneys fireworks "get old"....I thik Beleive is a amazing fireworks
show,too bad your too closedminded to enjoy it since its not Uni.
Bhrigga J. Holla
>before, money is tight right now
unemployment checks aint cuttin it huh??
> I am pretty sure that there are people on this board who have not been
>in a year as well, or even longer. They belong here as much as I do, and
>you.
well I think its a waste of your time that you spend it on a newsgroup that
talks about a place you couldnt care less about..thats all
Miles
Bhrigga J. Holla wrote:
>>Yep...Universal Orlando. Sea World in both CA and FL also do supurb 4th
>>of July shows. I have not seen what Knotts or Magic Mountain do.
>>
>
>
> miles-do you like Beleive?
Sure I do. It's a fun show. When I stated it's not the greatest
fireworks show ever, you blasted me for saying something negative about
Disney. Thats pretty much the way things work with you...quick
misinterpretation.
Miles
Bhrigga J. Holla wrote:
>>How'd we get from fireworks at DLR to USH's tram ride?
>
>
> I just think its funny how you dont mind going on the same old tram over n
> over but Disneys fireworks "get old"....I thik Beleive is a amazing fireworks
> show,too bad your too closedminded to enjoy it since its not Uni.
What does USH have to do with whether I or anyone likes Believe? You
just can't get USH out of your obsessed head.
Michelle Smith
I thought it was DEADLY boring, compared to the original Illuminations.
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> I just think its funny how you dont mind going on the same old tram over n
>over
Different tram drivers means different takes on certain stories and jokes.
Kind of liek the Jungle Cruise. Each skipper has their own style to it.
>but Disneys fireworks "get old"....I thik Beleive is a amazing fireworks
>show
Agreed. I Love Believe, I can't help but sing along to it when I see it (even
to the orchestrated areas of music. . . I can't help it I tells ya!)
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DSuperBee
> unemployment checks aint cuttin it huh??
Uh, no. I just want to pay off my student loans ASAP.
> well I think its a waste of your time that you spend it on a newsgroup that
>talks about a place you couldnt care less about..thats all
Where have I EVER SAID I DO NOT LIKE THE PLACE? Oh yeah, thats right, never
said that. You really like to put words in my mouth, don't you?
Bob Dobbs
> >make sure to check out "Believe,Magic in the Stars" ,its amazing!! =)
>
> As long as we are comparing Disneyland to USH....
> Believe has absolutely NOTHING on Illuminations which kicks Believe's ass so
> thoroughly that it hurts to sit.
How is Illuminations supposedly kicking Believes ass(one is a lagoon
show, one is a fireworks show) comparing Disney and USH?
I like the Illuminations music and the show looks cool(Ill 25 sounded
kinda boring though) but ILL is hardly Disney typical and doesn't follow
the Disneyland/Magic Kingdom magical pyro fireworks show format.. with
fountains, globes, fire, multimedia and a totally non Disney soundtrack
it's hardly and unfairly comparable to Believe. ILL looks and sounds
rad.. but lagoon shows-fireworks show comparisons are hardly
comparable. The lagoon shows contain fireworks pyro, but so much more.
Bob Dobbs
> > Im sure Illuminations is amazing,Disney always does great fireworks...how
> >are
> >the fireworks at Universal? oops I forgot they dont have fireworks,thier too
> >cheap.
>
One is a stunt show and one is a fireworks show. Bad comparision basis.
> But
> I would rather see huge explosions and people lighting themselves on fire than
> Believe's crappy fireworks.
Crappy fireworks? That must be why the MK is copying some patterns and
some parts of Beleive for November's Mickey's Birthday fireworks show
changeover(from the tired ages old Fantasy in the Sky). So when and if
most of Believes pyro and choreography is copied for MK will it still
suck?
Bob Dobbs
> > Im sure Illuminations is amazing,Disney always does great fireworks...how are
> >the fireworks at Universal? oops I forgot they dont have fireworks,thier too
> >cheap.
> >
> >
> Disney. They are short sighted and cheap.
If the USH nighbors wouldn't freak, if it wasn't a fire area and if the
AQMD fines for fireworks shows weren't so much, I'm sure Uni would give
them a shot. SFMM and Knotts both have seasonal fireworks shows.
Bob Dobbs
> >but Disneys fireworks "get old"....I thik Beleive is a amazing fireworks
> >show
>
> Agreed. I Love Believe, I can't help but sing along to it when I see it (even
> to the orchestrated areas of music. . . I can't help it I tells ya!)
Believe is quite special.
Miles
Bob Dobbs wrote:
> If the USH nighbors wouldn't freak, if it wasn't a fire area and if the
DLR neighbors have wanted the fireworks stopped for years. Theres
almost always some litigation going on. They were already able to cut
the show considerably from what it once was.
Mr.Banks
Disney Resort hangs on to the aerial displays by the skin of their
teeth. It has something to do with "past practice". They've been doing
them for so long the neighbors don't have a strong legal leg to stand
on. And the Anaheim City Council is - to a degree - pro Disney because
of the tax revenue they generate.
Banks
WallyBoag
Illuminations and Believe based on the fireworks only, Illuminations would
STILL completely and thoroughly waste Believe.
Bhrigga J. Holla
>almost always some litigation going on. They were already able to cut
>the show considerably from what it once was.
I heard the new show they are premiering for the 50th that will replace
Beleive is much more "grand" then beleive,im assuming that means more
fireworks...
when someone buys a house near DLresort,in the mortage papers it says that
these fireworks will be going off and that you are living near a theme
park,they are fair warned,those home owners dont have a legal leg to stand
on,plus Disney gets whatever it wants from Anahiem,those ppls homes would be
bulldozed before DIsney was forced to end the fireworks
Bhrigga J. Holla
>them for so long the neighbors don't have a strong legal leg to stand
>on.
exactly,the home owners are fair wanred of these fireworks long before they
sign the papers to buy the house,they decided to move next to Disneyland,thats
the homeowners fault...if its too noisy maybe they shoulda moved next to
Universal Studios where they dont have fireworks ;)
Joe
<20030426024023...@mb-m25.aol.com>:
>>Illuminations: Reflections of Earth is AMAZING.
>I thought it was DEADLY boring, compared to the original Illuminations.
Free country. I've seen Illuminations through the years as well, and
while I liked the old one, I find the new one better. Its main problem is
too much time spent with nothing but the ball, but IMO everything
surrounding that more than compensates. :)
-- Joe
Miles
Bhrigga J. Holla wrote:
> when someone buys a house near DLresort,in the mortage papers it says that
> these fireworks will be going off and that you are living near a theme
> park,they are fair warned,those home owners dont have a legal leg to stand
> on,plus Disney gets whatever it wants from Anahiem,those ppls homes would be
> bulldozed before DIsney was forced to end the fireworks
Thats mostly true. The current issue is the ash fallout onto
surrounding homes. Thats something it appears Disney will have to
solve. The noise issue has been settled and Disney agreed to cut both
the size of the shells fired as well as the duration of the show.
Ben
>Illuminations: Reflections of Earth is AMAZING. It's a pretty
>fireworks show that tells the story of the earth all at the same time, so
>there's levels for kids (BOOM! with music, not to mention the pyro
>barge...), AND levels for adults (the moment humans first walk out of the
>cave is moving to me). And (in the best Disney tradition) it pioneered the
>pneumatic-launch fireworks technology with the fine-tunable timing on blasts
>that makes Believe possible, so there you go.
Thanks Joe... I'll try to check it out if I ever get back to WDW. It sounds
like fun. Like I said, the version of Illuminations that I saw was way back in
1994, and I didn't care for it...I'm sure things have come a long way since
then.
~Ben
"I love Mickey Mouse more than any woman I have ever known." --Walt Disney
**The preceding post was either the specific opinion of the author, or some
lame attempt at humor... but most likely it was both.
Ben
>DLR neighbors have wanted the fireworks stopped for years. Theres
>almost always some litigation going on. They were already able to cut
>the show considerably from what it once was.
Idiots... as if they didn't know that DL did fireworks shows when the moved in
down the street...
Miles
Ben wrote:
> Idiots... as if they didn't know that DL did fireworks shows when the moved in
> down the street...
Yep. I see the same type of issue where I live. People bought homes
near an airport and then file suits against the airport for noise.
Another stupid case is people who built homes next to a dairy farm and
now want it shut down cause it smells like a dairy farm.
Ben
>I really think its crappy fireworks. They are tiny little baby shells that
>barely blow up. No big booms, no impressive shells that make you go oooh and
>ahh.
Hmm... you apparantly don't spend as much time observing the audience as I
do... There are plenty of oohs and aahs at each and every performance I've
seen. In addition to that there is applauding, and cheering at the end and
during the show as well. People cheer for the Mickey Head, and the gasp at the
shots fired off the castle. Tinkerbell's flight is met with sounds of "Oooo
look!" and wide-eyed, open-mouthed expressions from both kids and adults at
various times throughout the show.
>It relies too much on sappy sentiment and not enough on impressive
>visuals.
Some people are easily entertained by loud noises, bright colors, and sparkly
things... the rest of us have require a little more depth for our
entertainment...
>Most of the show is low level stuff that is uninteresting.
Perhaps, Wally, you are just more sophisticated than we commoners are.
>Illuminations is a more perfect choreographed
>show with a much wider variety of effects including lazers and water
>fountains,
>live fire effects and that spinning glob thing. Much more sophisticated if
>you
>ask me.
Perhaps... but they are two completely different types of shows. If you want
to make a comparison like this, compare Illuminations to Fantasmc, and Believe
to whatever strictly pyro shows that WDW has...
Ben
>People bought homes
>near an airport and then file suits against the airport for noise.
>Another stupid case is people who built homes next to a dairy farm and
>now want it shut down cause it smells like a dairy farm.
I hate people...
Coasterbuf
"Bhrigga J. Holla" <cande...@aol.comshady> wrote in message
news:20030425215445...@mb-m27.aol.com...
>>
> well I think its a waste of your time that you spend it on a newsgroup
that
> talks about a place you couldnt care less about..thats all
Hehe hoho...ROTF and LMAO.
And just how much time do YOU spend in this newsgroup talking about a place
that YOU couldn't care less about! (And it's not even the subject of the
newsgroup to begin with!)
Hmmmm.......
Coasterbuf
"Bhrigga J. Holla" <cande...@aol.comshady> wrote in message
,im sorry you dont find fireworks coool but your a minority in this.
> fireworks get old pretty quick but the same tired tram ride thats been
> around forever isnt gettin old? just admit it,anything Universal you
> love,anythign Disney you dont like
> Bhrigga J. Holla
>
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Uh..didn't you recently reply to me with (and I quote) " yeah,I can admit
when Universal does good,I think the tram at USH is really coool"
So one day it is really cool and the next day it's tired and getting old? Do
you suffer from some sort of split personality disorder? Make up your mind!
Coasterbuf
WallyBoag
>to make a comparison like this, compare Illuminations to Fantasmc, and
>Believe
>to whatever strictly pyro shows that WDW has...
As I said before, even if you take out the lazers and the spinnging Globe,
Illuminations is still a much more impressive fireworks show than believe with
more shells and a wider variety of blasts. Same with Fantasy in the Sky (both
the old Disneyland version and the Magic Kingdom florida version). Although it
is not there anymore, sorcery in the sky was better than Believe too.
Bob Dobbs
>
> Don't I know it!
>
> Disney Resort hangs on to the aerial displays by the skin of their
> teeth. It has something to do with "past practice". They've been doing
> them for so long the neighbors don't have a strong legal leg to stand
> on. And the Anaheim City Council is - to a degree - pro Disney because
> of the tax revenue they generate.
Disneyland pays its AQMD fines, Disneyland is in *good* with the
Anaheim legislature,
Disneyland takes hundreds of precautions based on wind and area launched
ect.. and noise wise and height of launch wise.
Believe(both of them) are far safer, shot far lower, contain far smaller
and quieter shells than the ages old Fantasy in the Sky.
From my house I can hear both Believes(although the BiHM Nutcracker part
is LOUD here).. the Nutcracker part sounds like the whole FitS used to
sound here.
DL is much quieter than it used to be and the shells are launched much
lower.
I have to go in the back yard to see any fireworks.. during the many
years of FitS the whole show was visible thru my kitchen window.
BTMITS and BiHM are shot much lower, are much quieter and are done far
safer than FitS ever was. Ever..
We used to drive onto Disney property and park along the 5 near Global
Van Lines or just drive to the edge of Ox/Cast Rd and Ball Rd and park
into the Orleander bushes(near where TDA Guest parking is now) and we
would get rained on by smoldering ashes, listen to it rain down on the
car(the nights we weren't outside the car on lawn chairs) and would see
huge still smoldering chunks of paper and ash chunks shells all the
time. It was hardly done 'surounding DL' safe back then. I still have a
chunk of sulfur smelling pyro paper around here somewhere in the
pile/archives.
FitS was launched safely IN DL.. but in the 'very' nearby surrounding
area they didnt care at all.
USH has no way to launch a pyro show and I'm sure definitely do not
wanna pay for the show, for the fines and for the appeasement of the
very vocal neighbors who 'do' yield some power in that neighborhood..
unlike the complainers in that small section of Anaheim who the city
pretty much ignores with Disney benefitting from it. It still doesn't
mean Disneyland pays any less AQMD fines.. those aren't controlled by
Anaheim. AFAIK it's a county thing.
Bob Dobbs
> Bob, even if you were to eliminate the lagoon stuff and just compare
> Illuminations and Believe based on the fireworks only, Illuminations would
> STILL completely and thoroughly waste Believe.
ILL:RoE looks impressive and the fireworks do look cool(I do like the
music too)... but time after time and for the most in Disney magic.. I'd
personally take Believe. (Both of them).
RoE looks cool.. and the classical orchestrations choreographed with
pyro *are* impressively executed... but I fail to see many people as
filled with Disney fireworks Magic or getting as misty as some do, for
ILL as they do for Believe.. with Tinker Bell or Believe with
'snowfall'.
I know you like WDW's shows better than DL and know you like
*everything* about WDW better than DL.. but I personally like both
Believe's better than ILL RoE.
Bob Dobbs
> >>
> > well I think its a waste of your time that you spend it on a newsgroup
> that
> > talks about a place you couldnt care less about..thats all
>
> Hehe hoho...ROTF and LMAO.
>
> And just how much time do YOU spend in this newsgroup talking about a place
> that YOU couldn't care less about! (And it's not even the subject of the
> newsgroup to begin with!)
>
> Hmmmm.......
You are only gonna confuse the bobo with logic and facts...
WallyBoag
>Believe's better than ILL RoE.
You've never seen Illuminations.
Bob Dobbs
> > but I personally like both
> >Believe's better than ILL RoE.
>
> You've never seen Illuminations.
Seen digital vids of ILL, ILL 25 and ILL:RoE and have the soundtracks
for all 3.
I'm happy you love everything at WDW more than DL, but I happen to
prefer the Believes over ILL:RoE.
I don't need to be there .. the digital video looks fine(as it does with
both Believes, when they are shot with a clue).. I'll stick with my
opinion.
Bhrigga J. Holla
>when Universal does good,I think the tram at USH is really coool"
>So one day it is really cool and the next day it's tired and getting old?
I think the tram at USH is the best thing they got,its fun,Miles said that
fireworks "get old",so I asked him why fireworks get old yet he doesnt mind
going on USHs tram a thousand times...I think the tram is good,I was just tryin
to make a point...besides,dont get down on me for that,I can at least admit
when Uni does good,whens the last time you liked a Disney product and admitted
it?
Bhrigga J. Holla
>that YOU couldn't care less about
I only mention Uni because the cast and crew for Uni attack and constntly bash
the place I like (DL)
WallyBoag
hint that its not that great. If it looks just as good on video, whats the
point of seeing it in person?
There is no video frame on earth, including IMAX that can capture the scope of
Illuminations ROE.
Bhrigga J. Holla
sorry Wally but ive seen the WDW Fantasy in the Sky fireworks on wdwmagic.com
and its not even syncronized that well to the music,its really weak in
comparison to Beleive...
Coasterbuf
"Bhrigga J. Holla" <cande...@aol.comshady> wrote in message
> >Uh..didn't you recently reply to me with (and I quote) " yeah,I can admit
> >when Universal does good,I think the tram at USH is really coool"
>
> >So one day it is really cool and the next day it's tired and getting old?
>
> I think the tram at USH is the best thing they got,its fun,Miles said
that
> fireworks "get old",so I asked him why fireworks get old yet he doesnt
mind
> going on USHs tram a thousand times...I think the tram is good,I was just
tryin
> to make a point...besides,dont get down on me for that,I can at least
admit
> when Uni does good,whens the last time you liked a Disney product and
admitted
> it?
You can admit when Uni does good??? Let's see, that's ONE thing (which you
later slammed as "tired") versus how many negative post? 1 to 1000 perhaps?
And after the tired comment I am not sure I'd even give you the 1. Not a
good ratio for you.
Unlike you I see both good and bad at ALL the parks. Don't even TRY to put
me in some Disney hater category. You will lose. Why just recently I
mentioned in a post to you that I liked EPCOT even though others seem not
to. I love Disney. I love Space Mtn, Pirates, Indy, Bug's Life, CA Soaring,
CA Sceamin', Matterhorn.....the list goes on and on. But unlike you, I am
BALANCED and am willing to point out the flaws of Disney (so that it may be
better) and applaude the accomplishments of non-Disney parks too.
Can you do the same? I think not.
Miles
Bhrigga J. Holla wrote:
> I think the tram at USH is the best thing they got,its fun,Miles said that
> fireworks "get old",so I asked him why fireworks get old yet he doesnt mind
> going on USHs tram a thousand times
I haven't been on the tram a 1000 times. I do see fireworks in town
here every few weeks, concerts, sports games, races etc. They don't do
much for me. If you like it then fine but quit trying to tell others
what they can and can't like.
MyKey (home)
> exactly,the home owners are fair wanred of these fireworks long before
they
> sign the papers to buy the house,they decided to move next to
Disneyland,thats
> the homeowners fault
. . .Up until I was 6 years old, I lived about 1/2 mile from DL. . .My
grandmother still lives in that house. . .and one of the best things about
it is the view of the fireworks. . .in fact, my mom used to hold that over
my head. . ."if you're not good, then you will not be able to watch the
fireworks." Which, were cool, but it's not like she could ever call up DL
and have them *STOP THE SHOW!!* because I left my Big Wheel in the driveway,
or whatever it was I did on that day.
-Michael
WallyBoag
>wdwmagic.com
>and its not even syncronized that well to the music,its really weak in
>comparison to Beleive...
Again, you've never seen it in person. You haven't felt the explosions. You
haven't seen how huge these shells are compared to the castle. You have to be
there to understand.
Tifa
>Again, you've never seen it in person. You haven't felt the explosions. You
>haven't seen how huge these shells are compared to the castle. You have to be
>there to understand.
While the shells and explosions are huge, my friend and I really weren't
impressed at all with Fantasy in the Sky.
We've been spoiled with the variety of shells used in Believe and the
synchronized music. . . The synchronization with Believe is what makes it
somewhat unique.
***************
<3*~Tifa~*<3
"Wheel of Morality, turn turn turn, tell us the lesson that we should learn.
Moral Number 6! Lather, rinse, repeat."
"I'm still confused"
~Wacko
Bob Dobbs
> The fact that Believe looks fine when shot with video should be the number one
> hint that its not that great. If it looks just as good on video, whats the
> point of seeing it in person?
So I guess you never go to movies in the theater?
Unless you are there when it's shot live.. what's the point?
> There is no video frame on earth, including IMAX that can capture the scope of
> Illuminations ROE.
Your opinions are well noted..
Matt
Tifa wrote:
>>Again, you've never seen it in person. You haven't felt the explosions. You
>>haven't seen how huge these shells are compared to the castle. You have to be
>>there to understand.
>
>
> While the shells and explosions are huge, my friend and I really weren't
> impressed at all with Fantasy in the Sky.
>
> We've been spoiled with the variety of shells used in Believe and the
> synchronized music. . . The synchronization with Believe is what makes it
> somewhat unique.
I think when the shells are literally coming down on you because they
are so huge(and I've seen them fall right next to me) there is a feeling
of awe. I'm with Wally on this. And the special occasion fireworks
show at MK blows anything Disneyland has ever done away. Literally
fireworks going off around every direction of the MK. 360 degrees of
giant pyro.
Now if you want to say Believe has more "magic" or "Disney spirit" ok.
That's cool. But for shear grandiose fireworks my vote goes to MK. Not
to mention the cookies at MK are worth the admission. DL cookies suck.
M
Bob Dobbs
They are huge in MK.. there are no neighbors.
FitS at DL was also much louder and higher and contained much larger
shells. (Much less, but much larger, louder and launched much higher)
Sometimes the less given away, is a good thing. Sometimes less is more.
Believe has several loud explosions, but until the huge synchronized 3
BIG booms at the beginning of the Tarzan section(song title ??) the show
is really pretty quiet, especially with the loud soundtrack.
Those 3 tightly combined explosions always get oohs and ahhhs and wows.
Sometimes less is more. If the show had the same repeated loud
explosions up until that segment, those 3 big ones/that segment would
never have been as effective as it is.
Davison knew what he was doing.
If BiHM had many huge and loud explosions during 'Silent Night' then
that one huge loud shell at the end of Silent Night(synched with the
Shooting Star and the Castle going dark) then the complete effect
achieved by those 3 simple elements would not get nearly the "Woahs!" i
have on well over a dozen filmed shows.
I'm not slamming FitS in WDW.. it has wonderful music. (I am a DL fan
anyway).. and is is massive and long and nice.. it rocks.
I just think special timed intracacies and sometimes less (in some
places) -is- more in the overall scheme. BTMITS and BiHM really have
tons of little things, special nuances and details in them. Just like
Disneyland. Walt could have built NOS as huge and expansive as the Ryman
art, but Walt also knew sometimes less is more. I think all the Disney
pyro shows I've seen are cool(video or live)(even the boring after 40
times Uncomfortable Pause in the Sky at DL)(and even the incredibley
repetetive Sorcery at MGM).. I think they all look cool.. I'd love to
see a video of the IOA show.. But I really prefer Believe to the others
I have seen.
Anaheim Stadium(after DL blew off for 18 mins on the 4th in 200o) went
off for about 45 mins. It was intense, and L O N G and I got tired of
not only filming it but of watching it. It was just so long and I was so
tired. It was awesome and must have had 5000 shells or more. It wasn't
Believe though. :)
Just my opinion.
Bob Dobbs
Cool. :)
> Not
> to mention the cookies at MK are worth the admission. DL cookies suck.
That is just hilarious. Made me chuckle anyway.
I'm not confirming it nor doubting what was quoted, but in the middle of
the Vs fireworks discussion.. that was just funny :)
Michelle Smith
>wdwmagic.com
>and its not even syncronized that well to the music,
Maybe not on the website, but it is in real life. It's a Disney Classic and as
much as I love believe, FitS will always hold a place in my heart.
I hope they change the Christmas Believe soon so it's not the WDW 25th
anniversary Believe anymore.
Fab
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Michelle Smith
>
>Seen digital vids of ILL, ILL 25 and ILL:RoE and have the soundtracks
>for all 3.
It's not remotely the same. I hate RoE in person.
MyKey
"Bob Dobbs" <Substa...@TheyAreNotSoTrue.comFOETUS> wrote in message
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> > Not
> > to mention the cookies at MK are worth the admission. DL cookies suck.
>
>
> That is just hilarious. Made me chuckle anyway.
. . .maybe the humidity in Florida help to keep the cookies in DW moist?
C'mon, so there's actually people at Disneyland sitting on the poopy ground
waiting for either an inferior or superior FIREWORKS show. . .there's
fireworks, people. That's all. Fireworks. . .a good time to get on a ride,
and that's it. Fireworks will never be anything other than fireworks. . .be
it a poodle with a sparkler or a planet blowing up. . .I'm heading for a
short queue. . .where was I? Oh, cookies???? yeah, I'll just leave that
one alone, I guess.
Joe
<20030428163555...@mb-m04.aol.com>:
>> sorry Wally but ive seen the WDW Fantasy in the Sky fireworks on
>>wdwmagic.com
>>and its not even syncronized that well to the music,
>Maybe not on the website, but it is in real life. It's a Disney Classic
>and as much as I love believe, FitS will always hold a place in my
>heart.
I've never been as big a fan of that one as other shows. I wish I'd
seen Sorcery in the Sky to compare it to everything else... But I always
thought that FitS was a bit too "let's have a generic fireworks show"-ish to
me. I mean, you don't see something like MSEP or Spectro, or Illuminations
(whichever version you prefer) anywhere but at Disney, but fireworks? You
see those all the time. Part of the allure of Believe... to me is the way it
blends the fireworks more seamlessly into the show (you don't see fireworks
timed that well anywhere else yet) and how the show blends the park scenery
and setting into it (more than just Tinkerbell, which has always been the
best part of an MK fireworkd show).
>I hope they change the Christmas Believe soon so it's not the WDW 25th
>anniversary Believe anymore.
I've grown accustomed to Remember the Holiday Magic... :)
-- Joe
Ben
>Believe has several loud explosions, but until the huge synchronized 3
>BIG booms at the beginning of the Tarzan section(song title ??)
Two Worlds (One Family)... that is one of my favorite parts of the show...
completely ignoring the Tarzan aspect (well, maybe not *completely*) I just
love the intensity of that music.
>the show
>is really pretty quiet, especially with the loud soundtrack.
Very effective.
>Sometimes less is more. If the show had the same repeated loud
>explosions up until that segment, those 3 big ones/that segment would
>never have been as effective as it is.
I definately agree with you on this.
>I just think special timed intracacies and sometimes less (in some
>places) -is- more in the overall scheme. BTMITS and BiHM really have
>tons of little things, special nuances and details in them.
Part of the reason I love this show so much... I'm very a much a subtle, nuancy
type person... Which is to say, I'm also passive-agressive.
>Just like
>Disneyland. Walt could have built NOS as huge and expansive as the Ryman
>art, but Walt also knew sometimes less is more.
Yes, Disneyland is full of those little nuances... During my trips to WDW I
didn't notice as many of those... everything at WDW seems very grandeous..often
times, IMO, TOO grandeous.
This is not to say that I dislike WDW. In fact I love it and can't wait to go
back there again.
There is also something to be said for size. It's great that WDW is so big...
but it's the little things that really count to me, and WDW's Magic Kingdom
doesn't seem to have as much of them as Disneyland does.
(Then again, maybe they are there, and I just didn't take the time to notice
them).
~Ben
"I love Mickey Mouse more than any woman I have ever known." --Walt Disney
**The preceding post was either the specific opinion of the author, or some
lame attempt at humor... but most likely it was both.
Michelle Smith
>seen Sorcery in the Sky to compare it to everything else...
Oh. Oh. Oh. Sorcery in the sky. Incredible. Precursor to Believe! -
started out black and white, representing silent films, then with Fantasia,
burst into glorious Technicolor. Le sigh.
>>I hope they change the Christmas Believe soon so it's not the WDW 25th
>>anniversary Believe anymore.
>
> I've grown accustomed to Remember the Holiday Magic... :)
It will always evoke that wonderful week to me - and grate on me that it's
being recycled so sloppily.
Bhrigga J. Holla
>better) and applaude the accomplishments of non-Disney parks too.
>
>Can you do the same? I think not.
>
yeah I said DCA needs a berm,I said I think DCA needs more rides like Tower
etc....
Bhrigga J. Holla
>here every few weeks, concerts, sports games, races etc.
ok Beleives fireworks are hardly run of the mill fireworks , they are extremly
syncronized to music,has explosions that blow up into hearts and smiley
faces...the comets..come on man,Beleive is way more advanced then any fireworks
show youll see at the races..get real...fireworks dont do much for you but the
ones at USH on 4th of July make you get a hard on,what a surprise!!!!
Miles
Bhrigga J. Holla wrote:
> ok Beleives fireworks are hardly run of the mill fireworks , they are extremly
> syncronized to music
Been there, done that. Fireworks set to music have been done for
decades. One show that was awesome was the bicentenial fireworks show
set to the live music of the Boston Pops Orchastra in 1976. I have yet
to see anything come close and believe is no wheres near it. Every 4th
of July we have shows here that are set to music with all sorts of
patterns etc. that are FAR larger and longer than believe.....been
there, done that.
Bhrigga J. Holla
>decades.
its pointless to argue with you,anything Disney does wont impress
you,Universal does fireworks once a year and it blows you away,if Beleieve had
Miami Vice and Bullwinkle music and was at USH ud say it was the best show
around....
Miles
Bhrigga J. Holla wrote:
>>Been there, done that. Fireworks set to music have been done for
>>decades.
>
>
> its pointless to argue with you,anything Disney does wont impress
> you,Universal does fireworks once a year and it blows you away,if Beleieve had
> Miami Vice and Bullwinkle music and was at USH ud say it was the best show
> around....
And anything Disney does is incredible to you even though others have
done it better for decades. Now you're turning away from facts and
making pure speculative arguments. Whatever.
Bhrigga J. Holla
>done it better for decades. Now you're turning away from facts and
>making pure speculative arguments. Whatever.
not even,Beleive is a great show,alot of the technology in Beleive is brand
new technology,its a very innovative show,if you want to dissmiss that fact
then fine,but its a fact
milesh
"Bhrigga J. Holla" wrote:
> >And anything Disney does is incredible to you even though others have
> >done it better for decades. Now you're turning away from facts and
> >making pure speculative arguments. Whatever.
>
> not even,Beleive is a great show,alot of the technology in Beleive is brand
> new technology,its a very innovative show,if you want to dissmiss that fact
> then fine,but its a fact
Fireworks set to music has been done far better for many years. FACT.
Joe
>"Bhrigga J. Holla" wrote:
>> not even,Beleive is a great show,alot of the technology in Beleive is
>> brand new technology,its a very innovative show,if you want to dissmiss
>> that fact then fine,but its a fact
>Fireworks set to music has been done far better for many years. FACT.
Where? I would seriously be interested in seeing something like that.
I know that Disney invented and is patenting the air-launched computer-
detonated fireworks system used in Believe to get the timing on things so
exact (they developed it for Illuminations: Reflections of Earth at Epcot
and then used the technology in Believe), and it's been said that the
technology has been licensed to others, but I'd love to see a show with such
great timing with some other technology. Please tell me where such a show
exists, I may have to make a road trip!
Thanks.
-- Joe
milesh
Joe wrote:
>
> Where? I would seriously be interested in seeing something like that.
Best show I have ever seen was the 1976 bicentennial show synchronized to a live
show by the Boston Pops. Even prior to toady's computers it was done very
effectively way back then. Disney is the only one I know that does this type of
show almost nightly. Other shows are scattered around the country at different
times and concerts, festivals, sports games etc. NYC and Boston both put on
musical fireworks shows on the 4th although I don't know what they have done the
past couple years. My neighbors here in Phoenix own the fireworks company that
puts on the majority of 'event' shows across most of the southwest. My point was
that synchronized fireworks shows are not new and not a Disney invention. They
have been done in grander scales for many many years. Believe certainly isn't a
bad show. It's a fun show but I find fireworks in general a bit boring. What
makes them fun is sitting in a nice park with friends and a few beers rather than
packed like a sardine along main street!
Ben
>Fireworks set to music has been done far better for many years. FACT.
"Better" is a relative term and cannot be used in discussing facts.
I'm not denying that there might be some fireworks shows out there that are
better than Believe... just that you can't say that one thing is better than
another and try to pass it off as a fact.
MyKey
"Ben" <benv...@aol.commentary> wrote in message
> "Better" is a relative term and cannot be used in discussing facts.
Headaches are better than brain tumors? Apples are better than oranges?
DLR is better than USH? Hehehe. Sorry.
Ben
>Headaches are better than brain tumors? Apples are better than oranges?
>DLR is better than USH? Hehehe. Sorry.
Still all relative. A headache might not be better than a brain tumor if it's
caused by an annurism...or a bullet.
MyKey
"Ben" <benv...@aol.commentary> wrote in message
> MyKey wrote,
> >Headaches are better than brain tumors? Apples are better than oranges?
> >DLR is better than USH? Hehehe. Sorry.
>
> Still all relative. A headache might not be better than a brain tumor if
it's
> caused by an annurism...or a bullet.
Heheh. . .yeah, it could go on and on, I guess. Bullet? That's pretty
harsh.
WallyBoag
>new technology,its a very innovative show,if you want to dissmiss that fact
>then fine,but its a fact
And another fact is that Illuminations was using the technology a year and a
half before Believe was.