Official Disney Auctions Site to open soon
J.J.
In the previews...it shows an autopia car, and the Marquee letters as
being future bid items.
Yay! Just what I've been waiting for!! Woohoo!!
I just hope they have smaller stuff thats like...worth no more than
$50..like a piece from inside a ride (i.e. a couple pieces of treasure
from Pirates or the such).
yay!!!!
--
J.J.
J.J.
--
J.J.
MagicPointeShoes
>> being future bid items.
>>
>> Yay! Just what I've been waiting for!! Woohoo!!
It's the entire marquee not just the letters...
Disneyland Marquee
The Disneyland marquee marked the entrance to the Anaheim Theme Park and to
this day recalls wonderful memories for Disneyland® Park Guests around the
world. Measuring a whopping 13'6" tall by 9' wide, each letter is made from
galvanized steel.
I wonder if it will fit in my apartment?
MagicPointeShoes
Remove your sneakers if you want to email me!
J.J.
everyone said they destroyed it when they took it down...so I figured
since they mentioned the letters separately...and aren't those
measurements of the letters? I mean...it was way taller than 13 feet,
and helluv a lot wider than 9 wasn't it?
--
J.J.
MagicPointeShoes
>
>everyone said they destroyed it when they took it down...so I figured
>since they mentioned the letters separately...and aren't those
>measurements of the letters? I mean...it was way taller than 13 feet,
>and helluv a lot wider than 9 wasn't it?
I dunno, minus the poles that held it up wouldn't it be that size? I have
never been that good at estimating size or distance.
The Doctor
>>> In the previews...it shows an autopia car, and the Marquee letters as
>>> being future bid items.
>>>
>>> Yay! Just what I've been waiting for!! Woohoo!!
>
>It's the entire marquee not just the letters...
>Disneyland Marquee
>The Disneyland marquee marked the entrance to the Anaheim Theme Park and to
>this day recalls wonderful memories for Disneyland® Park Guests around the
>world. Measuring a whopping 13'6" tall by 9' wide, each letter is made from
>galvanized steel.
While I havn't gone further then the second page in the site, it
seems they will be auctioning off Marc Davis as well. Pretty
tasteless, but I bet he goes for a bundle.
The Doctor
"And isn't sanity really just a one trick pony anyway? I mean
all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when
you're good and crazy, oooh oooh oooh, the sky is the
limit!"-The Tick
J.J.
part of it was huge...
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J.J.
Disney Freak96
debated at length :
>Hey!!! I can't wait for ebay.disney.com to open!
>
>In the previews...it shows an autopia car, and the Marquee letters as
>being future bid items.
>
>yay!!!!
Am I the only one that found the Marc Davis action items a bit in bad
taste?
DisneyFreak96
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Harv Laser
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> Am I the only one that found the Marc Davis action items a bit in bad
> taste?
No more nor less tasteless than Pepsico turning Harlan Sanders into a
cartoon character for their KFC teevee commercials. Or The United States
Mint turning George Washington into a cartoon character to hype the Brass
Buck in commercials. Let them rest in peace, fer cryin' out loud.
How long before Disney Co. turns Walt into a caricature cartoon image and
has him in commercials for Disney Parks, products, and so on? If they're
willing to stoop so low as to stick a McDonalds in Disneyland, how low can
they possibly go? I'm not sure I really want to know.
Harv
Davko58
> Disney Freak96 wrote:
> > Am I the only one that found the Marc Davis action items a bit in bad
> > taste?
> No more nor less tasteless than Pepsico turning Harlan Sanders into a
> cartoon character for their KFC teevee commercials.
I think the chicken is more tasteless than the cartoon character.
> Or The United States
> Mint turning George Washington into a cartoon character to hype the Brass
> Buck in commercials. Let them rest in peace, fer cryin' out loud.
> How long before Disney Co. turns Walt into a caricature cartoon image and
> has him in commercials for Disney Parks, products, and so on?
If it's good enough for George Washington, a far greater and far more
important man than Walt Disney, it's good enough for Walt.
> If they're
> willing to stoop so low as to stick a McDonalds in Disneyland, how low can
> they possibly go? I'm not sure I really want to know.
Was Swift, manufacturer of horrible artifical canned meat products,
somehow better than McDonalds? Oh, and they only sell the fries in the
park..........
Davko58
Harv Laser
news:39DF5DE1...@sprintmail.DEAD.com...
> Harv Laser wrote:
>
> > Disney Freak96 wrote:
>
> > > Am I the only one that found the Marc Davis action items a bit in bad
> > > taste?
>
> > No more nor less tasteless than Pepsico turning Harlan Sanders into a
> > cartoon character for their KFC teevee commercials.
>
> I think the chicken is more tasteless than the cartoon character.
Cute, but completely irrelevant.
> > Or The United States
> > Mint turning George Washington into a cartoon character to hype the
Brass
> > Buck in commercials. Let them rest in peace, fer cryin' out loud.
> > How long before Disney Co. turns Walt into a caricature cartoon image
and
> > has him in commercials for Disney Parks, products, and so on?
>
> If it's good enough for George Washington, a far greater and far more
> important man than Walt Disney, it's good enough for Walt.
Won't archeologists have fun in a few thousand years when they dig up this
civilization and try to figure out what the hell was going on..
> > If they're
> > willing to stoop so low as to stick a McDonalds in Disneyland, how low
can
> > they possibly go? I'm not sure I really want to know.
>
> Was Swift, manufacturer of horrible artifical canned meat products,
> somehow better than McDonalds? Oh, and they only sell the fries in the
> park..........
And did Upjohn Pharmacy want people to remember their company from the jars
of leeches in the window of their Main Street shop? Do you know why a
barber pole has rotating spiraling red and white stripes? You're missing
the point. Main Street was built as an idealized, scaled-down version of
Small Town U.S.A. Circa turn of the century.. the time of McKinley and TR
and just before and afterwards. Swift goes back a helluva lot farther than
McDonalds does, regardless of how you perceive the quality of their
products.
Disneyland corporate sponsors change, sure.. they always have, but themed
areas, like Main Street should be true to their themes. A McDonalds in
Frontierland makes as much sense as a screen door on a submarine.
See previous threads.. they are proposing replacing the "Harbor Galley"
eatery with a burger-serving McDonalds. Right now it's only fries from a
cart in Frontierland.. But McDonalds is a virus without a cure. ("Call
the Cobra..")..
Sooner or later there'll be a Starbucks on Main Street U.S.A. Another fine
tradition from 1900.
Harv
Jon Nadelberg
>
> Disney Freak96 <waltd...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:48futs0n6um6nr9dh...@4ax.com...
>
> > taste?
>
> No more nor less tasteless than Pepsico turning Harlan Sanders into a
> Mint turning George Washington into a cartoon character to hype the Brass
> Buck in commercials. Let them rest in peace, fer cryin' out loud.
>
I've never seen the George Washington commercials, but he's been in
lots of ads and cartoons. At this point, he's an almost mythical
person.
Harlan Sanders is a bit more recent. There is a KFC in Palo Alto that
has a wax figure of him in their window. I believe that KFC took
ownership of his likeness for use in commercials. They may also have
had permission from the family, but I don't know that at all, or if
there is even still a family. I think Pepsico sold their fast food
outlets a year or two ago.
> How long before Disney Co. turns Walt into a caricature cartoon image and
> has him in commercials for Disney Parks, products, and so on? If they're
> willing to stoop so low as to stick a McDonalds in Disneyland, how low can
> they possibly go? I'm not sure I really want to know.
>
There is a lot of difference between putting a McDonald's in a theme
park and being disrespectful to the dead, and the surviving family's
wishes. I would suspect that they would not do this while his family is
still alive and may object. I don't know who owns the rights to his
image, but if it is the family and not the studio, they would have to
approve anything done like that.
Jon Nadelberg
>
> Davko58 <Dav...@sprintmail.DEAD.com> wrote in message
> news:39DF5DE1...@sprintmail.DEAD.com...
> > Harv Laser wrote:
>
> > > Mint turning George Washington into a cartoon character to hype the
> Brass
> > > Buck in commercials. Let them rest in peace, fer cryin' out loud.
> and
> > > has him in commercials for Disney Parks, products, and so on?
> >
> > important man than Walt Disney, it's good enough for Walt.
>
> Won't archeologists have fun in a few thousand years when they dig up this
> civilization and try to figure out what the hell was going on..
>
They'll probably have a pretty easy time of it. We have a lot of stuff
recorded in lots of places. It's not like there is one place where
everything is recorded, like the Library of Alexandria. On the other
hand, paper tends to dissolve after a bit, and film stock decomposes
after only a few decades. Digital? Try using a floppy disk you've had
around for a couple of years.
> > > If they're
> > > willing to stoop so low as to stick a McDonalds in Disneyland, how low
> can
> > > they possibly go? I'm not sure I really want to know.
> >
> > Was Swift, manufacturer of horrible artifical canned meat products,
> > somehow better than McDonalds? Oh, and they only sell the fries in the
> > park..........
>
> And did Upjohn Pharmacy want people to remember their company from the jars
> of leeches in the window of their Main Street shop?
What else do you remember them for? They also gave away free vitamins,
too.
> Do you know why a
> barber pole has rotating spiraling red and white stripes?
Why is this relevant?
> You're missing
> the point. Main Street was built as an idealized, scaled-down version of
> Small Town U.S.A. Circa turn of the century.. the time of McKinley and TR
> and just before and afterwards. Swift goes back a helluva lot farther than
> McDonalds does, regardless of how you perceive the quality of their
> products.
I see. That's why they sold all that Disney merchandise that was around
back at the turn of the century. And had a camera store that Kodak and
GAF sponsored. Or the Wurlitzer shop, which sold electronic organs that
were so popular in 1910....
>
> Disneyland corporate sponsors change, sure.. they always have, but themed
> areas, like Main Street should be true to their themes. A McDonalds in
> Frontierland makes as much sense as a screen door on a submarine.
>
It's a food outlet. It makes as much sense as any other food company
selling food there. What would you want? A snack bar that sold salted
pork and zwieback? They didn't have Coca Cola back in the "frontier"
(which is a pretty nebulous concept), so maybe that should go, too.
They also didn't have toilets, either. Maybe they should be replaced
with outhouses.
> See previous threads.. they are proposing replacing the "Harbor Galley"
> eatery with a burger-serving McDonalds. Right now it's only fries from a
> cart in Frontierland.. But McDonalds is a virus without a cure. ("Call
> the Cobra..")..
So what if they do? If you don't like McDonald's, don't eat there.
>
> Sooner or later there'll be a Starbucks on Main Street U.S.A. Another fine
> tradition from 1900.
>
As it has been pointed out already, there always were things that had
nothing to do with 1900 on Main Street. But to your point, they are not
putting in a McDonald's franchise with a tile roof and golden arches.
If they do anything at all, they would be putting in a food stand
sponsored by McDonald's, and featuring some of their food items. If
they did put a Starbucks on Main Street (something that might not be
such a bad idea) it wouldn't be a modern Starbucks, but a coffee outlet
that is themed to Main Street and is sponsored by Starbucks.
Davko58
> Davko58 wrote:
> > Harv Laser wrote:
> > > No more nor less tasteless than Pepsico turning Harlan Sanders into a
> > > cartoon character for their KFC teevee commercials.
> > I think the chicken is more tasteless than the cartoon character.
> Cute, but completely irrelevant.
I was shooting for cute.
> > > Or The United States
> > > Mint turning George Washington into a cartoon character to hype the
> Brass
> > > Buck in commercials. Let them rest in peace, fer cryin' out loud.
> > > How long before Disney Co. turns Walt into a caricature cartoon image
> and
> > > has him in commercials for Disney Parks, products, and so on?
> > If it's good enough for George Washington, a far greater and far more
> > important man than Walt Disney, it's good enough for Walt.
> Won't archeologists have fun in a few thousand years when they dig up this
> civilization and try to figure out what the hell was going on..
Probably not. They'll have to get dirty and no one will want to be
dirty then.
> > > If they're
> > > willing to stoop so low as to stick a McDonalds in Disneyland, how low
> can
> > > they possibly go? I'm not sure I really want to know.
> > Was Swift, manufacturer of horrible artifical canned meat products,
> > somehow better than McDonalds? Oh, and they only sell the fries in the
> > park..........
> And did Upjohn Pharmacy want people to remember their company from the jars
> of leeches in the window of their Main Street shop?
That's how I remember them.
> Do you know why a
> barber pole has rotating spiraling red and white stripes?
Do you know if the zebra is white with black stripes, or black with
white stripes?
> You're missing
> the point. Main Street was built as an idealized, scaled-down version of
> Small Town U.S.A. Circa turn of the century.. the time of McKinley and TR
> and just before and afterwards. Swift goes back a helluva lot farther than
> McDonalds does, regardless of how you perceive the quality of their
> products.
Swift sponsored a restaurant in Frontierland. I don't think they were
around when Davy Crockett was killin' bears.
> Disneyland corporate sponsors change, sure.. they always have, but themed
> areas, like Main Street should be true to their themes.
There is no Mcdonalds on Main Street.
> A McDonalds in
> Frontierland makes as much sense as a screen door on a submarine.
And as much sense as Walt's Pepsico Golden Horsehoe Revue. People have
to eat and drink, you know.
> See previous threads.. they are proposing replacing the "Harbor Galley"
> eatery with a burger-serving McDonalds.
Says MP. That's the only place I've seen that rumor. It might happen,
but so what? People didn't eat hot dogs in the 19th century either.
They were invented at *gasp* Coney Island, and have been sold all over
DL since day one.
> Right now it's only fries from a
> cart in Frontierland.. But McDonalds is a virus without a cure.
So far the virus hasn't spread.
> Sooner or later there'll be a Starbucks on Main Street U.S.A. Another fine
> tradition from 1900.
Just like the panties and bras they used to sell on Main Street back in
Walt's time? Women wore corsets and bloomers in 1900.
Davko58
Harv Laser
I can see this is going to go on forever..
Jon Nadelberg <jo...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:39DF6EAF...@pacbell.net...
> Harv Laser wrote:
> >
> > Davko58 <Dav...@sprintmail.DEAD.com> wrote in message
> > news:39DF5DE1...@sprintmail.DEAD.com...
> > > Harv Laser wrote:
> > Won't archeologists have fun in a few thousand years when they dig up
this
> > civilization and try to figure out what the hell was going on..
> They'll probably have a pretty easy time of it. We have a lot of stuff
> recorded in lots of places. It's not like there is one place where
> everything is recorded, like the Library of Alexandria. On the other
> hand, paper tends to dissolve after a bit, and film stock decomposes
> after only a few decades. Digital? Try using a floppy disk you've had
> around for a couple of years.
"After a bit"? Non-archival paper with high sulfur content starts
degrading in a few years. After a few decades, depending on how it's
stored, it totally loses its supple quality and becomes brown and brittle,
so that it cracks and breaks rather than bends. Don't even get me started
on film. Some of Hitchcock's earlier works simply do not exist any more in
any form, anywhere at all. The volatile Nitrate stock turned to brown dust
and goo as did the prints for literally hundreds of other films.
It's a race against time - many films are turning to garbage faster than
the restorers can find and restore them.
Floppies are hit and miss. I have fifteen year old 3.5" disks and 20+ year
old 5" disks that are still usable, and others that aren't.
There are funded scientific research groups right now trying to figure out
how to mark nuclear waste dumping grounds so that 10,000 years from now,
when that stuff is still highly radioactive, whoever is around then will be
able to interpret what a sign means, and not start digging it up. They
can't be printed in English or any other current, existing language,
because in 10,000 years, there won't be any languages as we know them
today. It's an interesting problem.
> > And did Upjohn Pharmacy want people to remember their company from the
jars
> > of leeches in the window of their Main Street shop?
> What else do you remember them for? They also gave away free vitamins,
> too.
I remember them for being a big old pharmaceutical company who sponsored an
exhibit on Main Street that I found totally charming, and one of the few
places in The Park that handed out free postcards, besides the bottles of
leeches in the window.
For the same reason Main Street U.S.A. is an idealized rememberance of
American small town life 100 years ago, a barber pole looks the way it does
because it represents blood flowing down an arm. Back before modern
medicine, if you got sick, depending on what you had, they'd apply the
leeches or take you to the barber who would bleed you (red spirals flowing
down an arm). The Upjohn Pharmaceuticals Company is late 19th century and
fits in perfectly. Or did.
> > You're missing
> > the point. Main Street was built as an idealized, scaled-down version
of
> > Small Town U.S.A. Circa turn of the century.. the time of McKinley and
TR
> > and just before and afterwards. Swift goes back a helluva lot farther
than
> > McDonalds does, regardless of how you perceive the quality of their
> > products.
>
>
> I see. That's why they sold all that Disney merchandise that was around
> back at the turn of the century. And had a camera store that Kodak and
> GAF sponsored. Or the Wurlitzer shop, which sold electronic organs that
> were so popular in 1910....
Photography was around well before the turn of the century. Back into the
Civil War era. Modern film photography dates back to about 1877 and George
Eastman introduced "Kodak" (a made up word that is not an acronym for
anything.. he just liked the way it sounded..).. in 1888. So a Kodak
store on Main Street makes perfect sense. Kodak dropped out for a while,
replaced by GAF and Polaroid. I mean if you lose your corporate sponsor
and want sponsorship for a film and camera store, you have to pick
_someone_.
The Wurlitzer company (and its organs) dates back to the 1880s, and the
Disneyland shop sold paper piano rolls. They might've had an exhibit of
their other products, but, if memory serves (and I was a kid back then),
you could not walk in and buy an organ and have them throw it in a bag for
you to take home, any more than you could walk into Crane's Exhibit and buy
a toilet to take home, or some sheets of aluminum from Kaiser.
> > Disneyland corporate sponsors change, sure.. they always have, but
themed
> > areas, like Main Street should be true to their themes. A McDonalds
in
> > Frontierland makes as much sense as a screen door on a submarine.
> It's a food outlet. It makes as much sense as any other food company
> selling food there. What would you want? A snack bar that sold salted
> pork and zwieback? They didn't have Coca Cola back in the "frontier"
> (which is a pretty nebulous concept), so maybe that should go, too.
> They also didn't have toilets, either. Maybe they should be replaced
> with outhouses.
I don't know how you define "Frontier" but Coca Cola as a company and a
beverage began in 1886. And get real, there's a distinct difference
between theming and modern sanitation. And the law.
> > See previous threads.. they are proposing replacing the "Harbor Galley"
> > eatery with a burger-serving McDonalds. Right now it's only fries from
a
> > cart in Frontierland.. But McDonalds is a virus without a cure.
("Call
> > the Cobra..")..
>
>
> So what if they do? If you don't like McDonald's, don't eat there.
I don't, and I won't. It's just another step in the total bastardization
of Disneyland by the current regime who runs the company, who are simply
catering to an entirely different generation, two or three generations
removed from the original visitors. Nothing wrong with that.. I just don't
want to see the place lose its magic and turn into a modern mall with
rides.
> > Sooner or later there'll be a Starbucks on Main Street U.S.A. Another
fine
> > tradition from 1900.
> >
>
> As it has been pointed out already, there always were things that had
> nothing to do with 1900 on Main Street. But to your point, they are not
And you cited a number of companies who have or had sponsorship on Main
Street who you questioned as being too modern, but who infact DID exist and
produce products at the turn of the century, and before, and whose presence
on Main Street did and still do make perfect sense.
> putting in a McDonald's franchise with a tile roof and golden arches.
> If they do anything at all, they would be putting in a food stand
> sponsored by McDonald's, and featuring some of their food items. If
> they did put a Starbucks on Main Street (something that might not be
> such a bad idea) it wouldn't be a modern Starbucks, but a coffee outlet
> that is themed to Main Street and is sponsored by Starbucks.
Disneyland is, to me, about a unique experience, a special place where I
can see stuff and do stuff and hear sounds and smell smells and buy stuff
and eat stuff that I can't get out here in suburbia, in the land of strip
malls and nail parlors and supermarkets. A place I've been visiting since
1956.
If I want McDonalds, I walk out my front door and turn the corner and walk
half a block and there it is. Starbucks is across the street. Hell,
they're across every street (like the few seconds shot in a Simpsons
episode that has Bart walking out of a mall with a cuppa joe in his hand,
and behind him you see about twenty stores on two levels, every one of them
with a Starbucks sign, except for one with a big paper banner hanging that
says "Coming Soon! Starbucks!")..
This is not the kind of stuff I want to see in Disneyland. I don't think
I'm alone. Any more than I was alone when I vehemently protested their
plan to rip out Mr. Lincoln and replace him with a Muppets show.. or when
they diddled with the notion of ripping out Mr. Toad like they did in
Florida.
Muppets.. now that would really fit on Main Street, would't it. So they're
sticking it in DCA instead. Although what Muppets have to do with a
"California Adventure" is beyond me.
Harv
Harv Laser
> > See previous threads.. they are proposing replacing the "Harbor Galley"
> > eatery with a burger-serving McDonalds.
>
> Says MP. That's the only place I've seen that rumor. It might happen,
> but so what? People didn't eat hot dogs in the 19th century either.
> They were invented at *gasp* Coney Island, and have been sold all over
> DL since day one.
http://naid.sppsr.ucla.edu/coneyisland/time.html
http://www.hot-dog.org/hd_history.htm from which comes:
Quote:
Also in doubt is who first served the dachshund sausage with a roll. One
report says a German imigrant sold them, along with milk rolls and
sauerkraut, from a push cart in New York City's Bowery during the 1860's.
In 1871, Charles Feltman, a German butcher opened up the first Coney Island
hot dog stand selling 3,684 dachshund sausages in a milk roll during his
first year in business.
The year, 1893, was an important date in hot dog history. In Chicago that
year, the Colombian Exposition brought hordes of visitors who consumed
large quantities of sausages sold by vendors. People liked this food that
was easy to eat, convenient and inexpensive.
In the same year, sausages became the standard fare at baseball parks. This
tradition was begun by a St. Louis bar owner, Chris Von de Ahe, who also
owned the St. Louis Browns major league baseball team.
End of Quote.
The last time I checked, the 1860s, 1871, ad 1893 were in the 19th century.
And Coney Island wasn't in Chicago.
Harv
Davko58
> Davko58 wrote:
> > > See previous threads.. they are proposing replacing the "Harbor Galley"
> > > eatery with a burger-serving McDonalds.
> > Says MP. That's the only place I've seen that rumor. It might happen,
> > but so what? People didn't eat hot dogs in the 19th century either.
> > They were invented at *gasp* Coney Island, and have been sold all over
> > DL since day one.
> http://naid.sppsr.ucla.edu/coneyisland/time.html
>
> http://www.hot-dog.org/hd_history.htm from which comes:
Gosh, I hope you didn't go to all this trouble just because of me.
> Quote:
>
> Also in doubt is who first served the dachshund sausage with a roll. One
> report says a German imigrant sold them, along with milk rolls and
> sauerkraut, from a push cart in New York City's Bowery during the 1860's.
> In 1871, Charles Feltman, a German butcher opened up the first Coney Island
> hot dog stand selling 3,684 dachshund sausages in a milk roll during his
> first year in business.
Coney Island. *gasp*
> The year, 1893, was an important date in hot dog history. In Chicago that
> year, the Colombian Exposition brought hordes of visitors who consumed
> large quantities of sausages sold by vendors. People liked this food that
> was easy to eat, convenient and inexpensive.
>
> In the same year, sausages became the standard fare at baseball parks. This
> tradition was begun by a St. Louis bar owner, Chris Von de Ahe, who also
> owned the St. Louis Browns major league baseball team.
>
> End of Quote.
>
> The last time I checked, the 1860s, 1871, ad 1893 were in the 19th century.
> And Coney Island wasn't in Chicago.
Who said Coney Island was in Chicago? I said the hot dog was invented
in *gasp* Coney Island. This appears to be correct from the information
you just posted.
So what you are saying is that hot dogs were standard fare on the
western frontier in Davy Crockett's time? I don't think so. The only
mention of hot dogs being sold and consumed is in big eastern cities
late in the century.
They also have sold hamburgers in Frontierland at a couple of places.
Did Davy slam down a few of those along with some hot dogs while
becoming King of the Wild Frontier? And if McD's opens in NOS, will you
argue that hamburgers have been sold in New Orleans since 1843? I doubt
it.....but I might.
Davko58
Harv Laser
Davko58 <Dav...@sprintmail.DEAD.com> wrote in message
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> Harv Laser wrote:
>
> > Davko58 wrote:
>
> > > > See previous threads.. they are proposing replacing the "Harbor
Galley"
> > > > eatery with a burger-serving McDonalds.
>
> > > Says MP. That's the only place I've seen that rumor. It might
happen,
> > > but so what? People didn't eat hot dogs in the 19th century either.
> > > They were invented at *gasp* Coney Island, and have been sold all
over
> > > DL since day one.
>
> > http://naid.sppsr.ucla.edu/coneyisland/time.html
> >
> > http://www.hot-dog.org/hd_history.htm from which comes:
>
> Gosh, I hope you didn't go to all this trouble just because of me.
Actually yes, I did, and I do research and writing for a living, so it's
not that hard to find this stuff. Cable modem helps too.
The first site is owned and built by a friend of mine, an historian named
Jeff Stanton, who is writing a book about Coney Island. I don't know what
your *gasp* remarks are intended to mean - revulsion? Dismay? Disgust?
Surprise? Alarm? Horror? Nausea?
> Who said Coney Island was in Chicago? I said the hot dog was invented
> in *gasp* Coney Island. This appears to be correct from the information
> you just posted.
It appears otherwise to me.. that it pre-dates Coney Island by quite a bit
and its name "hot dog" was derived from the phrase "Getcher Red Hots!" at
baseball games.
> So what you are saying is that hot dogs were standard fare on the
> western frontier in Davy Crockett's time? I don't think so. The only
> mention of hot dogs being sold and consumed is in big eastern cities
> late in the century.
>
> They also have sold hamburgers in Frontierland at a couple of places.
> Did Davy slam down a few of those along with some hot dogs while
> becoming King of the Wild Frontier? And if McD's opens in NOS, will you
> argue that hamburgers have been sold in New Orleans since 1843? I doubt
> it.....but I might.
>
> Davko58
The last time I checked, it was called Frontierland, not Davy Crockettland.
Crockett lived from 1786 to 1836.
Mark Twain (remember that big white boat in the river, and that island
named for his most popular novel's title character?) lived 1835-1910. So
he was a year old when Crockett was killed.
He wrote "The Adventures of Tom Sawyer" in 1876. So here we have
"Frontierland" already spanning a period of more than a hundred years.
Since Mark Twain could conceivably have eaten hot dogs during his life,
although Crockett probably didn't, does a hot dog belong in Frontierland or
doesn't it?
Now what else shall we toss into the mix? How far back shall we stretch
the concept of "Frontierland" or how far forwards until it morphs into the
era depicted on Main Street U.S.A.?
Need we get into when french fries and hamburgers were invented?
Harv
Jon Nadelberg
>
>
> Floppies are hit and miss. I have fifteen year old 3.5" disks and 20+ year
> old 5" disks that are still usable, and others that aren't.
I don't know...I think floppies are pretty much unusable after a few
months. I even have some CDs that are not usable anymore.
>
> > > And did Upjohn Pharmacy want people to remember their company from the
> jars
> > > of leeches in the window of their Main Street shop?
>
> > What else do you remember them for? They also gave away free vitamins,
> > too.
>
> I remember them for being a big old pharmaceutical company who sponsored an
> exhibit on Main Street that I found totally charming, and one of the few
> places in The Park that handed out free postcards, besides the bottles of
> leeches in the window.
>
They handed out bottles of leeches?
> For the same reason Main Street U.S.A. is an idealized rememberance of
> American small town life 100 years ago, a barber pole looks the way it does
> because it represents blood flowing down an arm. Back before modern
> medicine, if you got sick, depending on what you had, they'd apply the
> leeches or take you to the barber who would bleed you (red spirals flowing
> down an arm). The Upjohn Pharmaceuticals Company is late 19th century and
> fits in perfectly. Or did.
>
Yes, I know that about the barber pole. They still exist, you know.
> > > You're missing
> > > the point. Main Street was built as an idealized, scaled-down version
> of
> > > Small Town U.S.A. Circa turn of the century.. the time of McKinley and
> TR
> > > and just before and afterwards. Swift goes back a helluva lot farther
> than
> > > McDonalds does, regardless of how you perceive the quality of their
> > > products.
> >
> >
> > I see. That's why they sold all that Disney merchandise that was around
> > back at the turn of the century. And had a camera store that Kodak and
> > GAF sponsored. Or the Wurlitzer shop, which sold electronic organs that
> > were so popular in 1910....
>
> Photography was around well before the turn of the century.
Yes. So? They had food since well before the turn of the century as
well. Maybe they even had french fries.
> Back into the
> Civil War era. Modern film photography dates back to about 1877 and George
> Eastman introduced "Kodak" (a made up word that is not an acronym for
> anything.. he just liked the way it sounded..).. in 1888. So a Kodak
> store on Main Street makes perfect sense. Kodak dropped out for a while,
> replaced by GAF and Polaroid. I mean if you lose your corporate sponsor
> and want sponsorship for a film and camera store, you have to pick
> _someone_.
>
So, it's ok for them to pick _someone_ when it's film, but not ok for
them to do it with food?
> The Wurlitzer company (and its organs) dates back to the 1880s, and the
> Disneyland shop sold paper piano rolls. They might've had an exhibit of
> their other products, but, if memory serves (and I was a kid back then),
> you could not walk in and buy an organ and have them throw it in a bag for
> you to take home, any more than you could walk into Crane's Exhibit and buy
> a toilet to take home, or some sheets of aluminum from Kaiser.
>
They used to have Wurlitzer shops in malls. You could go in and buy
organs.
> > > Disneyland corporate sponsors change, sure.. they always have, but
> themed
> > > areas, like Main Street should be true to their themes. A McDonalds
> in
> > > Frontierland makes as much sense as a screen door on a submarine.
>
> > It's a food outlet. It makes as much sense as any other food company
> > selling food there. What would you want? A snack bar that sold salted
> > pork and zwieback? They didn't have Coca Cola back in the "frontier"
> > (which is a pretty nebulous concept), so maybe that should go, too.
> > They also didn't have toilets, either. Maybe they should be replaced
> > with outhouses.
>
> I don't know how you define "Frontier" but Coca Cola as a company and a
> beverage began in 1886. And get real, there's a distinct difference
> between theming and modern sanitation. And the law.
>
I don't know how you define "frontier," but the area is called
"Frontierland." I don't see any difference between what you are calling
theming and anything else in the area. It's a snack bar. It has a
sponsor. There are all kinds of food and other items that are sold in
this area, as well as other areas that did not exist in the time
specified.
> > > See previous threads.. they are proposing replacing the "Harbor Galley"
> > > eatery with a burger-serving McDonalds. Right now it's only fries from
> a
> > > cart in Frontierland.. But McDonalds is a virus without a cure.
> ("Call
> > > the Cobra..")..
> >
> >
> > So what if they do? If you don't like McDonald's, don't eat there.
>
> I don't, and I won't. It's just another step in the total bastardization
> of Disneyland by the current regime who runs the company, who are simply
> catering to an entirely different generation, two or three generations
> removed from the original visitors. Nothing wrong with that.. I just don't
> want to see the place lose its magic and turn into a modern mall with
> rides.
It's not lost its magic for me. I don't see the inclusion of McDonald's
(which isn't even exactly my favorite) as any different than any other
corporate sponsorship.
>
> > > Sooner or later there'll be a Starbucks on Main Street U.S.A. Another
> fine
> > > tradition from 1900.
> > >
> >
> > As it has been pointed out already, there always were things that had
> > nothing to do with 1900 on Main Street. But to your point, they are not
>
> And you cited a number of companies who have or had sponsorship on Main
> Street who you questioned as being too modern, but who infact DID exist and
> produce products at the turn of the century, and before, and whose presence
> on Main Street did and still do make perfect sense.
>
GAF and Polaroid did not. And even if Kodak did exist, they certainly
were not selling the stuff they sold at the park in 1910.
> > putting in a McDonald's franchise with a tile roof and golden arches.
> > If they do anything at all, they would be putting in a food stand
> > sponsored by McDonald's, and featuring some of their food items. If
> > they did put a Starbucks on Main Street (something that might not be
> > such a bad idea) it wouldn't be a modern Starbucks, but a coffee outlet
> > that is themed to Main Street and is sponsored by Starbucks.
>
> Disneyland is, to me, about a unique experience, a special place where I
> can see stuff and do stuff and hear sounds and smell smells and buy stuff
> and eat stuff that I can't get out here in suburbia, in the land of strip
> malls and nail parlors and supermarkets.
Maybe you should get out more. Disneyland is a fun place to go for the
day, combining amusement park staples with movie set sensibility. It
was never meant to be anything more than that.
> A place I've been visiting since 1956.
I'm glad you've been visiting since 1956. Have you been to Walt Disney
World? It's a lot better.
>
> If I want McDonalds, I walk out my front door and turn the corner and walk
> half a block and there it is. Starbucks is across the street.
If I want a piece of fudge, I can go to a candy store right here. I
don't have to go to the candy store on Main Street. If I want to spin
on a ride till I'm sick, I can go to Great America, and not go on the
Tea Cups.
Starbucks is just a place to sell coffee. If it is placed in theme on
Main Street, or anywhere else, then it is perfectly fine. If, on the
other hand, they just jammed a Starbucks as you see it in a local mall
on Main Street, then you'd have a point. Otherwise, not really.
> Hell,
> they're across every street (like the few seconds shot in a Simpsons
> episode that has Bart walking out of a mall with a cuppa joe in his hand,
> and behind him you see about twenty stores on two levels, every one of them
> with a Starbucks sign, except for one with a big paper banner hanging that
> says "Coming Soon! Starbucks!")..
>
There are 4 starbucks within a 2 mile radius of me. I can't understand
how they can all stay in business.
> This is not the kind of stuff I want to see in Disneyland. I don't think
> I'm alone. Any more than I was alone when I vehemently protested their
> plan to rip out Mr. Lincoln and replace him with a Muppets show.. or when
> they diddled with the notion of ripping out Mr. Toad like they did in
> Florida.
>
The Muppets would have been a lot better than Lincoln. And what they
replaced toad with in florida is really one of the best dark rides I've
ever been on. I don't mind change. I think it's good. Change is the
lifeblood of the Disneyland.
Now, Lincoln plays to empty houses, and Fantasyland has sat basically
unchanged in 17 years. I don't think that's a good thing.
> Muppets.. now that would really fit on Main Street, would't it.
Yes it would, if done properly.
> So they're
> sticking it in DCA instead. Although what Muppets have to do with a
> "California Adventure" is beyond me.
>
Because it's like the Muppet Show used to be. A show about doing a
show. If you've never seen it, it's wonderful. It's pretty fitting for
the area. It's going to be great to have it here.
Jon Nadelberg
>
> He wrote "The Adventures of Tom Sawyer" in 1876. So here we have
> "Frontierland" already spanning a period of more than a hundred years.
> Since Mark Twain could conceivably have eaten hot dogs during his life,
> although Crockett probably didn't, does a hot dog belong in Frontierland or
> doesn't it?
>
OH brother. Yes, it belongs, because it's what people eat at amusement
parks, which in case you have forgotten, is what Disneyland is.
Coz
> Now what else shall we toss into the mix? How far back shall we stretch
> the concept of "Frontierland" or how far forwards until it morphs into the
> era depicted on Main Street U.S.A.?
>
> Need we get into when french fries and hamburgers were invented?
>
> Harv
Of course in Tomorrowland hot dogs and french fries have to be replaced with
pills like in 50's sci-fi silliness. As long as we are discussing Historical
Correctness in Frontierland there also wasn't much in the way of electricity on
the Frontier either so maybe we need to shut all that stuff down?
Does Frito-Lay still have that eating place in Frontierland? If so, shall
plastic bags of Fritos be banned?
Coz
Tjames Madison
>> Who said Coney Island was in Chicago? I said the hot dog was invented
>> in *gasp* Coney Island. This appears to be correct from the information
>> you just posted.
>
>It appears otherwise to me.. that it pre-dates Coney Island by quite a bit
One report says "1860s" and the other says "1871." Later on it says
the hot dog we know and eat today was "probably introduced" at the St.
Louis Expo in 1904. It seems like you're picking nits here. I think the
point that's being made is that hot dogs weren't found in the "frontier"
settings and time period that Frontierland sets out to portray, but
they're there anyway because people like to eat them today, not because
they fit the theme.
Or if you want to continue to argue that hot dogs DO fit in the theme of
Frontierland, fine, I'll agree with you. People ate food and drank coffee
in the 1800s, so McDonald's or Starbucks, with a properly themed presence,
would be entirely acceptable sponsors.
RoR-Alucard | http://www.pigdog.org
~Yo Soy Un Pistolero~
Coz
> The Famous Harv Laser wrote:
> >
> >
> > Floppies are hit and miss. I have fifteen year old 3.5" disks and 20+ year
> > old 5" disks that are still usable, and others that aren't.
>
> I don't know...I think floppies are pretty much unusable after a few
> months. I even have some CDs that are not usable anymore.
Just as a test I went through about 10 of my 15 year old floppies and they all
worked. If yours only last a few months then they are some seriously cheap
floppies.
<snip>
Coz
driftwood714
> how they can all stay in business.
It's all from over-saturation.
Harv Laser
news:qXVD5.763$34.2...@wormhole.dimensional.com...
> >> in *gasp* Coney Island. This appears to be correct from the
information
> >> you just posted.
> >
> >It appears otherwise to me.. that it pre-dates Coney Island by quite a
bit
>
> the hot dog we know and eat today was "probably introduced" at the St.
> Louis Expo in 1904. It seems like you're picking nits here. I think the
> point that's being made is that hot dogs weren't found in the "frontier"
> settings and time period that Frontierland sets out to portray, but
> they're there anyway because people like to eat them today, not because
> they fit the theme.
I'm not picking any nits. People have been posting incorrect historical
information, such as (not an exact quote) "There was no Kodak or Coca Cola
at the turn of the century so they don't belong on Main Street U.S.A."
which is clearly wrong and 2 minutes of Web searching proved it. Or that
Frontierland has somehow become Davy Crockettland and he never ate a hot
dog, while there's MORE Mark Twain(isms) in Frontierland than there are
Davy Crockett(isms) and Samuel Clemens certain lived at a time when hot
dogs were eaten and popular, and they weren't invented at Coney Island.
Again, how do you define "Frontier"?
> Or if you want to continue to argue that hot dogs DO fit in the theme of
> Frontierland, fine, I'll agree with you. People ate food and drank
coffee
> in the 1800s, so McDonald's or Starbucks, with a properly themed
presence,
> would be entirely acceptable sponsors.
To you.
People have always eaten food. But I personally don't think McDonalds
belongs anywhere in Disneyland, nor does Starbucks. Again, this is my own
personal perversion. Again, I don't think I'm alone. Otherwise there
wouldn't be "No McDonalds" campaigns and petitions out there.
But when people spout off patently incorrect dates as to when companies
existed, it just simply spreads the notion that they're correct, unless or
until they're corrected.
Harv
Jon Nadelberg
>
> Jon Nadelberg wrote:
>
> > The Famous Harv Laser wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Floppies are hit and miss. I have fifteen year old 3.5" disks and 20+ year
> > > old 5" disks that are still usable, and others that aren't.
> >
> > I don't know...I think floppies are pretty much unusable after a few
> > months. I even have some CDs that are not usable anymore.
>
> worked. If yours only last a few months then they are some seriously cheap
> floppies.
>
Nope. Not particularly. Some work, some don't. You can't use them as
permanent storage, as they deteriorate, which was the point I was trying
to make.
Davko58
> > >> Who said Coney Island was in Chicago? I said the hot dog was invented
> > >> in *gasp* Coney Island. This appears to be correct from the
> information
> > >> you just posted.
> > >It appears otherwise to me.. that it pre-dates Coney Island by quite a
> bit
Like Olivia Newton-John, Lets Get Trivial! From your own post:
"Also in doubt is who first served the dachshund sausage with a roll.
One
report says a German imigrant sold them, along with milk rolls and
sauerkraut, from a push cart in New York City's Bowery during the
1860's."
One report, argued about by hot dog afficionados for decades.
"In 1871, Charles Feltman, a German butcher opened up the first Coney
Island
hot dog stand selling 3,684 dachshund sausages in a milk roll during his
first year in business."
The accepted date and location of the invention of the hot dog. Coney
*gasp* Island.
> > One report says "1860s" and the other says "1871." Later on it says
> > the hot dog we know and eat today was "probably introduced" at the St.
> > Louis Expo in 1904. It seems like you're picking nits here. I think the
> > point that's being made is that hot dogs weren't found in the "frontier"
> > settings and time period that Frontierland sets out to portray, but
> > they're there anyway because people like to eat them today, not because
> > they fit the theme.
> I'm not picking any nits.
I hope you're not picking zits instead.
> People have been posting incorrect historical
> information, such as (not an exact quote) "There was no Kodak or Coca Cola
> at the turn of the century so they don't belong on Main Street U.S.A."
> which is clearly wrong and 2 minutes of Web searching proved it.
How about all those motor vehicles that no one had in 1900? Omnibuses
in 1900? They look more like the 1915-1920 models to me.
> Or that
> Frontierland has somehow become Davy Crockettland and he never ate a hot
> dog,
He didn't. Unless he was at Coney Island in the 1870's....
> while there's MORE Mark Twain(isms) in Frontierland than there are
> Davy Crockett(isms) and Samuel Clemens certain lived at a time when hot
> dogs were eaten and popular,
So since the author of Tom Sawyer outlived his era, and there were hot
dogs around when he died, they are somehow a frontier food? By this
logic the Main Street vehicles should be circling the ROA too, and there
should be a Wright Bros. airplane ride next to BTMRR.
> and they weren't invented at Coney Island.
Yes they were.
> Again, how do you define "Frontier"?
No hot dogs.
> > Or if you want to continue to argue that hot dogs DO fit in the theme of
> > Frontierland, fine, I'll agree with you. People ate food and drank
> coffee
> > in the 1800s, so McDonald's or Starbucks, with a properly themed
> presence,
> > would be entirely acceptable sponsors.
> To you.
>
> People have always eaten food. But I personally don't think McDonalds
> belongs anywhere in Disneyland, nor does Starbucks. Again, this is my own
> personal perversion. Again, I don't think I'm alone. Otherwise there
> wouldn't be "No McDonalds" campaigns and petitions out there.
>
> But when people spout off patently incorrect dates as to when companies
> existed, it just simply spreads the notion that they're correct, unless or
> until they're corrected.
I notice when responding to these posts you conveniently snipped the
bras and panties conundrum, the Pepsico dilemma, and the Swift
restaurant mystery.
The fact is that foods like sodas, hamburgers, and hot dogs have been
sold in Frontierland since day one. Never have they fit the theme of
the land. If a different brand of hamburger is sold, so what?
Maybe you just don't like McDonalds; I don't either. Argue that the
food sucks, not all this themed food nonsense, which doesn't make sense
coming from you anyway. You are the one saying hot dogs fit
Frontierland, if so, so would hamburgers. That blows your whole
argument right out of the deep fryer.
Davko58
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Jon Nadelberg
> > In article <I1RD5.27547$kf1.2...@typhoon.we.rr.com>, "Harv Laser"
> <hla...@socal.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> > >> in *gasp* Coney Island. This appears to be correct from the
> information
> > >> you just posted.
> > >
> > >It appears otherwise to me.. that it pre-dates Coney Island by quite a
> bit
> >
> > the hot dog we know and eat today was "probably introduced" at the St.
> > Louis Expo in 1904. It seems like you're picking nits here. I think the
> > point that's being made is that hot dogs weren't found in the "frontier"
> > settings and time period that Frontierland sets out to portray, but
> > they're there anyway because people like to eat them today, not because
> > they fit the theme.
>
> information, such as (not an exact quote) "There was no Kodak or Coca Cola
> at the turn of the century so they don't belong on Main Street U.S.A."
> which is clearly wrong and 2 minutes of Web searching proved it.
Actually, no. Nobody said Coke didn't exist in 1910. Kodak may have,
but they were not selling what they were selling in the park. There
also wasn't any Disney merchandise which got sold in the park in 1910.
In Frontierland, they sell film and they sell plastic items. They sell
all kinds of things that did not get sold in the real frontier.
But to be specific to Frontierland, Walt Disney allowed Frito-Lay to
sponsor his Mexican themed restaurant, and it started in the 1930s.
Pepsi-Cola, sponsor of the Golden Horseshoe Revue was started at the
turn of the century. Also after the "frontier" setting. Aunt Jemima
started around 1890.
The simple fact is that these rules you are demanding really never were
followed in the first place, even by the guy who built the park.
>
> Again, how do you define "Frontier"?
>
> > Or if you want to continue to argue that hot dogs DO fit in the theme of
> > Frontierland, fine, I'll agree with you. People ate food and drank
> coffee
> > in the 1800s, so McDonald's or Starbucks, with a properly themed
> presence,
> > would be entirely acceptable sponsors.
>
> To you.
>
Apparently to Walt Disney, as well.
> People have always eaten food. But I personally don't think McDonalds
> belongs anywhere in Disneyland, nor does Starbucks. Again, this is my own
> personal perversion. Again, I don't think I'm alone. Otherwise there
> wouldn't be "No McDonalds" campaigns and petitions out there.
>
A lot of people think the movie "Buckaroo Banzai" is good. That doesn't
mean they are right.
Disney Freak96
debated at length :
>Harv Laser (famous former Netcom customer) wrote:
I'm not the only old time Netcomer -1997
>>
>> Disney Freak96 <waltd...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>> news:48futs0n6um6nr9dh...@4ax.com...
>>
>> > Am I the only one that found the Marc Davis action items a bit in bad
>> > taste?
>>
>> No more nor less tasteless than Pepsico turning Harlan Sanders into a
>> cartoon character for their KFC teevee commercials. Or The United States
>> Mint turning George Washington into a cartoon character to hype the Brass
>> Buck in commercials. Let them rest in peace, fer cryin' out loud.
>>
>
>I've never seen the George Washington commercials, but he's been in
>lots of ads and cartoons. At this point, he's an almost mythical
>person.
I agree, but even worse because marc just died. The auction seems to
be profiting on his death. I would not be surprised if he had a
contract with Disney if upon his death they still wished to continue
to use his likeness-after all he had designed some watches and such. I
don't have a problem with that. It's the way they are promoting it
that makes me ill. There is a difference between being behind a glass
case at TDS and on Ebay.
And to top it off: Some of the items aren't even new (The Tink Pin)
or Marc's work (a drawing based on Marc's work.) As Disney says:
"This collection pays homage
to the artistry of legendary animator, Disney Legend and original
"Imagineer" Marc Davis. "
The only thing these items have in common is they are somehow related
(not designed) to a man who recently died. It reminds me of some
people who collect movie merchandize waiting for the star to die just
so the price gets pushed up.
>still alive and may object. I don't know who owns the rights to his
>image, but if it is the family and not the studio, they would have to
>approve anything done like that.
Just because Disney has the rights to the image, i wouldn't expect
them to put it up on Ebay. That is just tacky.
Jon Nadelberg
>
> On Sat, 07 Oct 2000 18:28:58 GMT, Jon Nadelberg <jo...@pacbell.net>
> debated at length :
>
> >Harv Laser (famous former Netcom customer) wrote:
>
> I'm not the only old time Netcomer -1997
>
> >>
> >> Disney Freak96 <waltd...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> >> news:48futs0n6um6nr9dh...@4ax.com...
> >>
> >> > Am I the only one that found the Marc Davis action items a bit in bad
> >> > taste?
> >>
> >> No more nor less tasteless than Pepsico turning Harlan Sanders into a
> >> cartoon character for their KFC teevee commercials. Or The United States
> >> Mint turning George Washington into a cartoon character to hype the Brass
> >> Buck in commercials. Let them rest in peace, fer cryin' out loud.
> >>
> >
> >I've never seen the George Washington commercials, but he's been in
> >lots of ads and cartoons. At this point, he's an almost mythical
> >person.
>
> I agree, but even worse because marc just died. The auction seems to
> be profiting on his death.
That happens, and it's pretty distasteful to me. Any time a famous
person dies, especially a singer it seems, there are people who are
ready to swoop down and make a fast buck. When Dean Martin died, they
had ads for CDs you could get that had his greatest hits. People just
want to cash in.
> I would not be surprised if he had a
> contract with Disney if upon his death they still wished to continue
> to use his likeness-after all he had designed some watches and such. I
> don't have a problem with that. It's the way they are promoting it
> that makes me ill. There is a difference between being behind a glass
> case at TDS and on Ebay.
>
I don't like ebay at all. Don't trust it.
>
> Just because Disney has the rights to the image, i wouldn't expect
> them to put it up on Ebay. That is just tacky.
>
It's the way of the world...I didn't realize that major corporations
were putting stuff on Ebay though. I don't ever really look at it.
Tjames Madison
>> Or if you want to continue to argue that hot dogs DO fit in the theme of
>> Frontierland, fine, I'll agree with you. People ate food and drank
>coffee
>> in the 1800s, so McDonald's or Starbucks, with a properly themed
>presence,
>> would be entirely acceptable sponsors.
>
>To you.
>
>People have always eaten food. But I personally don't think McDonalds
>belongs anywhere in Disneyland, nor does Starbucks. Again, this is my own
>personal perversion.
Exactly the point. Originally, I believe, you argued that a McDonald's
would be gross violation of theme on Main Street. Others have given you
already extant examples of product/theme mismatch that are just as bad or
worse than putting a McDonald's on Main Street. It is precisely a matter
of personal taste and nothing more; you cannot provide facts which show
that this would be particularly worse than many other things which already
have happened and continue to exist.
>Again, I don't think I'm alone. Otherwise there
>wouldn't be "No McDonalds" campaigns and petitions out there.
There are campaigns and petitions to have Ronald Reagan's face carved on
Mt. Rushmore.
>But when people spout off patently incorrect dates as to when companies
>existed, it just simply spreads the notion that they're correct, unless or
>until they're corrected.
Well, this is a side issue, really, that other people probably didn't know
they were involved with until you made a big deal out of it, but let's go
there anyway: do you really believe hot dogs were widely available and/or
are typically associated with the Wild West?
Harv Laser
Tjames Madison <tja...@pigdog.org> wrote in message
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Define Wild West. What period of years and where.
Harv
Justin Hunsley
it was happening over my 5 day vacation 2 summers ago (it was very sad
to watch it go.) The Letters were the only part that did not get torn
apart. It would be cool to own one of them but im guessing the bidding
will go so high on all the items they offer that I will not be able to
afford anything on that site!
"J.J." wrote:
>
> are you sure?
>
> everyone said they destroyed it when they took it down...so I figured
> since they mentioned the letters separately...and aren't those
> measurements of the letters? I mean...it was way taller than 13 feet,
> and helluv a lot wider than 9 wasn't it?
>
> MagicPointeShoes wrote:
> >
> > >> In the previews...it shows an autopia car, and the Marquee letters as
> > >> being future bid items.
> > >>
> > >> Yay! Just what I've been waiting for!! Woohoo!!
> >
> > It's the entire marquee not just the letters...
> > Disneyland Marquee
> > The Disneyland marquee marked the entrance to the Anaheim Theme Park and to
> > this day recalls wonderful memories for Disneyland® Park Guests around the
> > world. Measuring a whopping 13'6" tall by 9' wide, each letter is made from
> > galvanized steel.
> >
> > I wonder if it will fit in my apartment?
> >
> > MagicPointeShoes
> >
> > Remove your sneakers if you want to email me!
>
> --
> J.J.
Harv Laser
Justin Hunsley <bon...@netvalue.net> wrote in message
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> It was most definitely destroyed when it was taken down, I watched it as
> it was happening over my 5 day vacation 2 summers ago (it was very sad
> to watch it go.) The Letters were the only part that did not get torn
> apart. It would be cool to own one of them but im guessing the bidding
> will go so high on all the items they offer that I will not be able to
> afford anything on that site!
This stuff looks to be the kind of stuff that Jay Leno or Tom Cruise or
Jack Nicholson or someone with that kind of checkbook will be able to
afford. When they speak of auctioning off the Disneyland Marquee I am 99
and 44/100th percent certain they are speaking of the individual letters
being 13' high and 9' wide or whatever it said. The whole sign was
absolutely enormous and many many times that big. I can see these letters
going for many thousands of bucks each. Where people will put them or what
they'll do with them would be interesting to find out. Just crating one
and shipping it will cost hundreds of bucks.
An Autopia car.. well if you were rich you could probably stick it in your
living room and make a coffee table out of it, or put it in your back yard
for your kids to crawl around on. A conversation piece for rich Disneyland
collectors when their rich friends come over for BBQs.
Back in college one drug-soaked evening some friends of mine and I piled in
a car and one guy knew where in some dark curvy recess of a street off of
Palos Verdes Drive North, up into some very steep hilly tract of houses,
someone had one of the original Star Trek prop shuttle landing crafts. It
was sitting in their front yard, about half covered in ivy, but totally
recognizable as to what it was. We drove by it a few times, got out,
looked at it, thought "Cool!" and left.
About 1981 Francis Ford Coppola made a film called "One From The Heart" -
a very strange sort of musical drama set in Las Vega$, except he didn't
film a single frame of it in that City. Instead, it was all shot on
interior sets at his Zoetrope Studios. He recreated one or two blocks of
Downtown Fremont Street there (back when you could still drive on it),
because he wanted to put lights into the street that pulsed as a dance
scene took place on it, turn all the Casino lights on and off, and so on..
The Vega$ City Fathers wouldn't let him do it and he couldn't control the
lighting and such the way he wanted to, so he spent a gazillion bucks
building the street (using a lot of forced perspective, false sliding
walls, scrims and such) and other sets on these sound stages, and the film
was a critical and financial failure and put his Zoetrope Studios out of
business.
A year or so later, a public fixed-price sale of the films props and
wardrobe items was held IN the sound stage where that Fremont Street block
had been built.. some of the remants of it were still on the walls. I went
to that auction with a couple friends and if you have ever seen the film,
during the opening titles, motion-control cameras swoop in and around and
through miniature recreations of famous Vega$ hotel/casino signs that are
long long gone. All of those miniature signs, each hand-built, filled with
hundreds of "grain of wheat" light bulbs and affixed on top of a lighting
control switching wooden box thingie, each one of a kind in the world, were
for sale for $200 to $400 each. Even though they would easily fit on the
back seat of a car, I just couldn't hack that kind of money back then.
I always wondered where those ended up.
I shot a pile of 35mm photos of the stuff at that sale.. maybe one of these
eons I'll scan them and put up a Web page of them if I have some spare time
to blow. Funny thing is, although the film was panned and pissed at by
critics and the public when it came out about 20 years ago, it has since
gained enormous popularity and respect. (Similar to the way most of
Kubrick's films have been treated)..
Sheila Benson, then the film critic for the L.A. Times was about the only
big name reviewer who gave it a thumbs up and loved it. So did I so it's
one of very few films which I actually went out and bought on original VHS
rather than taping it off of cable.
But I digress..
Harv
M. Scott Garner
wrote:
>I don't like ebay at all. Don't trust it.
And well you shouldn't. The model invites fraud.
scott
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"Harv Laser" <hla...@socal.rr.com> wrote:
> Sooner or later there'll be a Starbucks on Main Street U.S.A.
Another fine
> tradition from 1900.
>
>
>
Well here in Seattle a street as long as Main Street desearves at least
10 Starbucks stores :)
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>
>
>Tjames Madison <tja...@pigdog.org> wrote in message
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><hla...@socal.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> Well, this is a side issue, really, that other people probably didn't
>know
>> they were involved with until you made a big deal out of it, but let's go
>> there anyway: do you really believe hot dogs were widely available
>and/or
>> are typically associated with the Wild West?
>
>Define Wild West. What period of years and where.
Use your imagination.
Disney Freak96
debated at length :
>> I agree, but even worse because marc just died. The auction seems to
>> be profiting on his death.
>
>That happens, and it's pretty distasteful to me. Any time a famous
>person dies, especially a singer it seems, there are people who are
>ready to swoop down and make a fast buck. When Dean Martin died, they
>had ads for CDs you could get that had his greatest hits. People just
>want to cash in.
I agree it happens, and it's distasteful. However, I associate
behavior like this with KTel Records and private collectors who wait
for the people to die. I don't associate it with a 'quality' company
like Disney. They used to have the decency to wait instead of cashing
in on their loyal employees as soon as they die.
To me, this is the perfect example of "Old" Disney and "New" Disney.