Ian McKinney and the Western Incestuous Network: Bound for oblivion without credibility
Michael Snider
In regards to the charges that McKinney made in
<347126...@usaor.net>:
McKinney claims that the Bnai Brith thinks that being a Jew is more than
a religious matter. The Bnai Brith does NOT claim that the child of a
Jewish father and a gentile mother is a Jew. If such a person is
rejected by Jews, and you claim some sort of moral superiourity over
Jews claiming that Jews have committed all sorts of sins against white
nationalists that justified their hatred never mind that said hatred
predated such sins, than you are no morally better than those Jews who
supposedly are of lower morals. ANyway list some of those crimes. You
cannot begin to list them because they are false. BTW, I reject the
Talmud fully and admit that it contains passages of racism and hatred -
in fact that was what my whole bringing up this issue was about. Said
Talmud contains passages that condemn my mother, a true saint, and
myself, as they do all gentile women and children of unions between
Jewish men and gentile women. I consider these passages of the Talmud to
be rightfully reprehensible, out of self interest among other factors.
And as I do not consider myself to be a Jew, and neither does Israeli
law which does not recognise products of Jewish father/gentile mother to
be Jews regardless of whether said mother is a " fellow " Mediterranean
as in my case or a nordic or black or Indian or whatsoever. I say "
fellow " because my father and his family were about as Mediterranean as
Erik the Red. The Ashkenazim by most accounts are a mixed group who
contain substantial elements of descent from the Germanic tribes of old
Europe as well as the Jews of ancient times, and probably any number of
other peoples. In fact they may not even be a single unified group but
several. In any case, I do not identify with Israel or Israeli
nationalism. I never did a thing to your people but got shit on
endlessly by others because of what your people did to them. Bottom line
is, you cannot accuse me personally of practicing those actions that
you blame Jews for doing. So if I was interested in joining your
organisation, or another person of mixed heritage, was interested, would
I be eligible to do so ? Would I be considered white, despite the fact
that I look white, I consider myself white, I am considered white by
whites and nonwhites except for certain idiotic nordic suprematists,
etc. ?
Funny how you guys are always dodging the issue of who is
considered white. When you claim that it would be a matter of whether
that person would be considered as such, and it is used against you,
then you back down.The truth is, you have no credibility to stand on. By
always holding down as narrow as possible a definition of your people
and turning those away, you are dooming yourselves to defeat. Therefore,
it is in my self interest to reject your group and what you stand for,
as it should be in the interest of every rational intelligent human
being of every race. You are guilty yourselves of what you blame the
Jews for, and even on your home ground cannot defend your ideas - let
alone the wider stage. Therefore your western incestuous network is
doomed to oblivion.
Jim Mcculloch
On Tue, 18 Nov 1997 21:50:26 GMT, sbr...@micron.net (Brian Smith)
wrote:
>By the way, if you're so interested in a reply from Ian, why don't you
>ask him the question again. I'm sure Ian will respond if your inquiry
>is sincere.
"Ian" and "Brian" are figments of the same disordered imagination.
The only thing genuine about this poor fellow is that he is a real
antisemite, racial bigot, and neonazi. He obviously has a lot of
time on his hands--I assume he is supported by a benevolent relative
who hopes that providing this outlet for paranoid but otherwise
harmless ranting on the internet will be therapeutic. Let us hope
that this theory will prove true in the long run, though I have seen
no reduction in the severity of the symptoms in the year or so I have
been aware of Ian/Brian's trollery.
--Jim McCulloch
Brian Smith
Meredith <Creative...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>Michael Snider wrote:
>> Funny how you guys are always dodging the issue of who is
>> considered white.
The definition is somewhat flexible, but it certainly doesn't include
Jews that consider themselves "Jews" above being "White."
Believe me, it won't be prohibitively difficult determining who's
White and who isn't, for the purpose of founding a White state.
>Michael, This joker has dodged *every* question put forth to him in one
>way or another.
Name one question Ian has dodged. Chances are, it's something he's
already explained. Or it could be in response to Michael. For
example, I don't reply to (or even read) Michael Snider's posts,
because he doesn't format them at all, doesn't use hard returns, and
it shows up as a mess on my computer. I've of course told this to
Michael several times, but he deliberately refuses to format
intelligently. Oh well, so be it. But he can't complain if he
doesn't get a reponse.
>You asked him somthing yesterday and he responded with
>"I don't have the time to go into it..." Sheeeesh!!!
The question yesterday, if I remember right, dealt with what Jews have
done to the White race. Ian has explained that numerous times on many
occasions.
But in case you missed it, here's two: murderous communism was
invented and promoted by Jewish revolutionaries, and Jewish Hollywood
and media constantly promotes liberal race-mixing and "equality"
garbage, and "White guilt" poison.
By the way, if you're so interested in a reply from Ian, why don't you
ask him the question again. I'm sure Ian will respond if your inquiry
is sincere.
Brian Smith
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Meredith
Brian Smith wrote:
>
> Meredith <Creative...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> Name one question Ian has dodged. Chances are, it's something he's
> already explained. Or it could be in response to Michael.
(cut the bull)
I'll name two questions he's dodged.
_______________
Question #1 asked to Ian: Who is this journalist that interviewed Slovo?
Name and organizations he/she is/has been employed by.
Ian's response: "I'm not going to reveal his name..."
Question #2 asked to Ian: What media, if any, did this interview appear
in?
Ian's response: His own I presume. But I think... I don't really follow
...
______________
These answers (or lack of) were in direct response to my (not Michael's)
questions.
> >You asked him somthing yesterday and he responded with
> >"I don't have the time to go into it..." Sheeeesh!!!
>
> The question yesterday, if I remember right, dealt with what Jews have
> done to the White race. Ian has explained that numerous times on many
> occasions.
Ian couldn't even come up with an excuse as lame as this one.
> (cut again)
> By the way, if you're so interested in a reply from Ian, why don't you
> ask him the question again.
What is this--a school-yard game?
> I'm sure Ian will respond if your inquiry is sincere.
The question was sincere when it was asked, as was Ian's response.
Kara
Meredith
> Funny how you guys are always dodging the issue of who is
> considered white.
Michael, This joker has dodged *every* question put forth to him in one
way or another. You asked him somthing yesterday and he responded with
"I don't have the time to go into it..." Sheeeesh!!! And he wants to be
taken seriously--that type of repsonse won't fly! (even in
alt.discrimiation!!!)
Kara
Ian McKinney
> >is sincere.
>
Wrong. We're at least 2000 miles from each other.
> He obviously has a lot of
> time on his hands--I assume he is supported by a benevolent relative
> who hopes that providing this outlet for paranoid but otherwise
> harmless ranting on the internet will be therapeutic.
You ought to be glad I DO have to work for a living or I'd be on your
ass all the time.
> Let us hope
> that this theory will prove true in the long run, though I have seen
> no reduction in the severity of the symptoms in the year or so I have
> been aware of Ian/Brian's trollery.
Well, Jimmy Boy, you missed on all counts. Just like your kind, however:
have a hallucination you did something, then congratulate yourself for
it never realizing they haven't even left their little fantasy world!
Is this the best you people have?
Regards,
Ian
Jim McCulloch
In article <347252...@usaor.net>, Ian McKinney <i...@usaor.net> wrote:
> Jim Mcculloch wrote:
> >
> > "Ian" and "Brian" are figments of the same disordered imagination.
>
> Wrong. We're at least 2000 miles from each other.
Sorry, Ian. I must have somehow gotten you confused with Roger Hughes.
And how is old Roger these days? We haven't heard much from him lately.
Does that mean you are better?
All the best,
--Jim McCulloch
Ian McKinney
> a religious matter. The Bnai Brith does NOT claim that the child of a
> Jewish father and a gentile mother is a Jew.
I didn't say that. I said that B'nai B'rith says that a Jew remains a
Jew even if he gives up the religion.
> If such a person is
> rejected by Jews, and you claim some sort of moral superiourity over
> Jews claiming that Jews have committed all sorts of sins against white
> nationalists that justified their hatred never mind that said hatred
> predated such sins, than you are no morally better than those Jews who
> supposedly are of lower morals.
As I said before, we don't care who the Jews reject. It's a non-issue,
since we don't base our policies on those of the Jews. He have our own
criteria.
> ANyway list some of those crimes. You
> cannot begin to list them because they are false.
How about communism for one? I can bury you in quotes on that one.
> BTW, I reject the
> Talmud fully and admit that it contains passages of racism and hatred -
> in fact that was what my whole bringing up this issue was about. Said
> Talmud contains passages that condemn my mother, a true saint, and
> myself, as they do all gentile women and children of unions between
> Jewish men and gentile women.
Yes, according to the Talmud, sex between a married Jewish man and a
gentile woman is not considered adultry, but beastiality!
> I consider these passages of the Talmud to
> be rightfully reprehensible, out of self interest among other factors.
Aren't the Jews always self-interested?
> The Ashkenazim by most accounts are a mixed group who
> contain substantial elements of descent from the Germanic tribes of old
> Europe as well as the Jews of ancient times, and probably any number of
> other peoples.
Yes, I think there is some mongoloid in there too.
> So if I was interested in joining your
> organisation, or another person of mixed heritage, was interested, would
> I be eligible to do so ?
No, because of your Jewish father.
> Funny how you guys are always dodging the issue of who is
> considered white. When you claim that it would be a matter of whether
> that person would be considered as such, and it is used against you,
> then you back down.The truth is, you have no credibility to stand on.
When did I back down? I told you my personal definition, that being a
person of at least 15/16ths White, non-Jewish ancestry. What's so hard
to understand about that?
> By
> always holding down as narrow as possible a definition of your people
> and turning those away, you are dooming yourselves to defeat.
It's not a narrow definition. Regardless, it sounds like you'd have us
accepting every negro or Asian as long as they had a White ancestor
somewhere in their background. That's absurd and you know it. It sounds
to me like you actually wish your father wasn't Jewish just so you could
join us! I've had contact with persons like yourself. The Aryan half of
them sides with the White race, but their Jewish ancestry prevents them
from being accepted into the White nationalist movement. In a way I fell
sorry for you, since you seem to put some value on being White. That's
unfortunate since some people who are 100% White throw their genetic
heritage away as if it were yesterday's newspaper by breeding with
non-whites and couldn't give a damn less about the well-being of their
race.
> Therefore,
> it is in my self interest to reject your group and what you stand for,
> as it should be in the interest of every rational intelligent human
> being of every race.
Your rejection of us is a non-issue, since you obviously wouldn't be
considered for membership in the first place.
> You are guilty yourselves of what you blame the
> Jews for, and even on your home ground cannot defend your ideas - let
> alone the wider stage.
No, the Jews are hypocrites. I'm not. I say what I believe and believe
what I say.
Ian McKinney
Meredith wrote:
> Brian Smith wrote:
> >
> > Meredith <Creative...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> >
> > Name one question Ian has dodged. Chances are, it's something he's
> > already explained. Or it could be in response to Michael.
>
> (cut the bull)
>
> I'll name two questions he's dodged.
> _______________
> Question #1 asked to Ian: Who is this journalist that interviewed Slovo?
> Name and organizations he/she is/has been employed by.
>
> Ian's response: "I'm not going to reveal his name..."
No, I'm not going to put the man's name out on this newsgroup just
because you demand it. I doubt he would appreciate that. But since
you're so insistant, I'll make an effort to contact this man through the
Net, since I haven't talked to him for four years and don't know where
he's now living. He was living in the St. Louis area. If I can find him
I'll ask where his interview was published and when. Is that fair? I
realize you're disappointed that I don't keep a dossier and release form
on every person I talk to.
> Question #2 asked to Ian: What media, if any, did this interview appear
> in?
>
> Ian's response: His own I presume. But I think... I don't really follow
I will make an effort to find out, but like I mentioned before, this man
owns several radio stations and the interview may have been done for one
of the his station's news programs.
Of course, these questions are nothing but obsfucation anyway, since
Slovo's communist record is well-known to anyone who's interested in
such matters. Here's Slovo's obituary, posted in it's entirety, with all
the facts I mentioned (Anyone care to accuse me of making anything else
up?) Also I hope you all notice that Slovo is listed as the National
Chairperson for the SA Communist Party at the time of his death.
===========================
Obituary of Joe Slovo
Died 6 January 1995
Ron Press <ancl...@gn.apc.org>, London
For ANC, Cape Town
International News E-Wire Service
Friday, January 6th, 1995
Joe Slovo Loses Battle with Cancer
By Mallory Saleson, 9 January, 1995
JOHANNESBURG - Tributes are pouring in from around South Africa
following the death early Friday of housing minister Joe Slovo, a
prominent African National Congress and South African communist-party
leader. Joe Slovo died at the age of 68, after a long battle with
cancer.
Early in life Joe Slovo joined the struggle to end apartheid and
bring democracy to his country. He was a strategist with an important
role in negotiations that brought about South Africa's current
government of national unity, and South Africa's first democratic
elections last year.
President Nelson Mandela said in a statement he regrets the death
of a great south-African patriot, who dedicated his life to justice and
freedom. Mr. Slovo died in his sleep early Friday after a long struggle
with cancer. For months he appeared weaker in public, but carried on his
tasks as housing minister. Comrades and critics say he was well on the
road to creating a new national housing scheme to benefit the country's
impoverished majority.
Born in Lithuania in 1926, Mr. Slovo came to South Africa at an
early age with his parents. He became a political lawyer, joined the
South African communist party and later the African national congress,
and was an early member of its military wing. He said last May he had to
keep pinching himself to believe democracy and freedom had finally come
to South Africa.
Joe Slovo
National Chairperson, SACP
Member, Central Committee and Politburo, SACP
Member, National Executive Committee, ANC
Member, National Working Committee, ANC
Minister of Housing, Government of National Unity
Despite the propaganda about "the KGB general," Joe Slovo was not fluent
in Russian or Lithuanian. He spoke one language: English.
Born in the village of Obelai, Lithuania on May 23, 1926 to Ann and
Woolf Slovo, he had one younger sister, Reina. In the climate of
anti-Semitism then rampant in the Baltic states, his family emigrated to
South Africa when Slovo was eight. His father worked as a truck driver
in Johannesburg.
Slovo attended the Jewish Government School from 1935 to 1937; after
that he went to Observatory Junior (1937-39), Yeoville Boys (1939-40)
and finally Observatory Junior High School (1940). Here he was
influenced by militant Irish teacher, John O'Meara.
His favourite school subject was history; his favourite activities
debating and athletics.
Slovo left school after Standard 6 in 1941. He went to work as a
dispatch clerk at SA Druggists, joining the National Union of
Distributive Workers. As a shopsteward, he was involved in organising a
strike. He joined the SACP in 1942.
Influenced by Red Army heroism, he left his surroundings in Doornfontein
boarding house and volunteered to fight for the allies in World War II.
He later became very active in the Springbok Legion.
Between 1946 and 1950 he completed a BA LLB at Wits. He was politically
active as a student, involving himself in all the '50s campaigns.
In 1949 he married Ruth, the daughter of SACP treasurer Julius First.
She was killed by a parcel bomb, believed to have been sent by the
apartheid regime to her office in Maputo, Mozambique in 1982.
Both First and Slovo were listed as communists under the Suppression of
Communism Act of 1954 and could not be quoted or attend public
gatherings in South Africa.
Slovo and First had three daughters -- Shawn, Gillian and Robyn. Shawn
Slovo's account of her childhood has been turned into the successful
Hollywood movie "A World Apart".
Slovo was a founder member of the Congress of Democrats. He represented
COD on the national consultative committee of the Congress Alliance
which drew up the Freedom Charter.
He was arrested and detained for two months during the Treason Trial of
1956. Charges against him were dropped in 1958. He was later arrested
for six months during the State of Emergency declared after Sharpeville
in 1960.
In 1961, Slovo emerged as one of the leaders of Umkhonto we Sizwe.
In 1963 he went into exile on instructions from the SACP and ANC. He
spent his exile years in the UK, Angola, Mozambique and Zambia.
In 1966 he did his LLM at the London School of Economics.
Slovo was based in Mozambique until 1984, when he was elected general
secretary of the SACP. At this point he was also MK's chief of staff and
a member of the NEC's working committee.
Slovo returned to South Africa in 1990 to participate in the early
"talks about talks" between the government and the ANC. Following a
short period of ill health, he said he would not stand again as SACP
general secretary. At the party's congress in South Africa in December
1991 Slovo was elected SACP chairperson; the late Chris Hani was elected
general secretary.
Slovo was a leading theoretician in both the party and the ANC. He wrote
numerous articles for the African Communist, of which he was former
editor, as well as countless pamphlets. He also contributed to several
books such as "No Middle Road".
Always portrayed as an arch-Stalinist by the former South African
government, Slovo surprised his critics with his "Has Socialism Failed?"
pamphlet in 1989, acknowledging the weaknesses of socialism and excesses
of Stalinism. In 1992 an adapted form of his "Sunset Clause" document,
allowing for a form of power sharing with the government, was adopted by
the NWC.
Slovo loved classical music, particularly the work of Mahler, and his
favourite book was Gogol's "Dead Souls". He was married to agricultural
economist Helena Dolny and lived in Johannesburg.
Prepared by: ANC Information Services
Dept Information & Publicity
PO Box 16469, Vlaeberg 8018
Cape Town, South Africa.
Tel: (+27 21) 262740
Fax: (+27 21) 262774
Internet: ad...@ancdip.wn.apc.org
CompuServe: 100014,344
==============
Meredith
(emialed and posted)
Jim, don't tempt him to pull out another one on us :-)
Kara
Robert McCallum
>
>Believe me, it won't be prohibitively difficult determining who's
>White and who isn't, for the purpose of founding a White state.
>
Your "white" state won't be founded in this country. So, I suggest
you go to Bosnia. OK?
Meredith
> >ask him the question again. I'm sure Ian will respond if your inquiry
> >is sincere.
>
> time on his hands--I assume he is supported by a benevolent relative
> who hopes that providing this outlet for paranoid but otherwise
> that this theory will prove true in the long run, though I have seen
> no reduction in the severity of the symptoms in the year or so I have
> been aware of Ian/Brian's trollery.
>
{emailed and posted}
Damn, I just saw your post. I should have seen the signs. Who else would
come in and try to clean up such a mess. Thanks Jim.
Kara
Brian Smith
Ian McKinney <i...@usaor.net> wrote:
>Jim Mcculloch wrote:
>> He obviously has a lot of
>> time on his hands--I assume he is supported by a benevolent relative
>> who hopes that providing this outlet for paranoid but otherwise
>> harmless ranting on the internet will be therapeutic.
>You ought to be glad I DO have to work for a living or I'd be on your
>ass all the time.
Ah Jim: one of the more amusing of the fanatically idiotic
egalitarians. Jim, why don't lead us in another one of your do-good
sing-alongs: "We're all equal, yes we are. We're all equal, that by
far..."
Jim, you know, things looked so 'equal' out there on the city street
today, that I could even tell the races apart. And when I saw a
basketball game on TV, I couldn't tell what color they were, but I
assume there were "equal" proportions of Whites, Asians, Blacks, and
Indians on the basketball court. Why wouldn't there be? The races
are the same, right, Jim? And if there ever exists any disparity that
doesn't favor a minority, you can bet that "eeeeevil natsee racists"
are to blame for it. Jim saw right through it all.
As long as you're still on your prescription Jim, we'll all be okay.
Just try to not to operate a moving vehicle, alright?
Thomas Mohr
>
>Your "white" state won't be founded in this country. So, I suggest
>you go to Bosnia. OK?
Don't send them to Europe .. WE DON'T WANT THEM HERE EITHER.
Meredith
Told ya, Robert,
Kara :-)
Ian McKinney
Don't worry, we're not going anywhere.
--
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On Wed, 19 Nov 1997 14:43:52 GMT, mccu...@mail.utexas.edu (Jim
Mcculloch) wrote:
>On Wed, 19 Nov 1997 09:34:35 -0500, Ian McKinney <i...@usaor.net>
>wrote:
>
>>Don't worry, we're not going anywhere.
>
>Going nowhere--the only thing neonazis are really good at.
>
>--Jim McCulloch
Ain't that the truth! Well looks like they better give up on their
desire to have a "white" state. That'll never happen here.
Jim Mcculloch
Marcel
Ian McKinney wrote in message <347257...@usaor.net>...
>Meredith wrote:
>> Ian's response: "I'm not going to reveal his name..."
>
>No, I'm not going to put the man's name out on this newsgroup just
>because you demand it. I doubt he would appreciate that.
Oh what a load of crap. We aren't discussing national security issues here.
We are discussing a journalist who conducted an interview. Since he
conducted the interview, I doubt very much he doesn't want his name
associated with it. The bottom line: I think you just made all of this up
and have painted yourself into a corner.
hc2...@earthlink.net
Ian McKinney wrote:
>
> Thomas Mohr wrote:
> > On Tue, 18 Nov 1997 22:18:51 GMT, rush...@nospamgeocities.com
> > (Robert McCallum) wrote:
> > >
> > >Your "white" state won't be founded in this country. So, I suggest
> > >you go to Bosnia. OK?
> >
> > Don't send them to Europe .. WE DON'T WANT THEM HERE EITHER.
>
Supremacists are, indeed, going nowhere.
Michael Snider
>
> >> Funny how you guys are always dodging the issue of who is
> >> considered white.
>
> Jews that consider themselves "Jews" above being "White."
Jew. Neither does the Jewish religion. I have plenty of Jewish
friends, and Jews who are decent human beings accept me as a
mixed individual. As for being white, I don't have a choice about
that do I ? I'd say that's pretty obvious TO ME. However even if
one accepts the most common definition of white and European as
being the same thing - which groups like Western Imperative Network
are always dodging - there are problematic areas. Whither many
Middle Easterners and North Africans ? Algeria and Tunisia contain
many people who look like Europeans,yet those are Moslem countries in
Africa. This is also true of Morocco. Who is to say that the
individuals who look like Spaniards, speak French as much as Arabic,
and wear the latest European fashions, and are culturally connected
with the former colonial masters in Paris and Madrid, are not
culturally connected with Europe ? Likewise, who is to say that the
inhabitants of the tonier sections of Mexico City are not also
culturally connected with Europe ?
> White and who isn't, for the purpose of founding a White state.
>
> >way or another.
>
Chances are, it's something he's
> example, I don't reply to (or even read) Michael Snider's posts,
> because he doesn't format them at all, doesn't use hard returns, and
> it shows up as a mess on my computer.
> Michael several times, but he deliberately refuses to format
> intelligently. Oh well, so be it. But he can't complain if he
> doesn't get a reponse.
>
> >"I don't have the time to go into it..." Sheeeesh!!!
>
> done to the White race. Ian has explained that numerous times on many
> occasions.
>
> invented and promoted by Jewish revolutionaries,
group. No group was as hurt by the butcher Lenin and his even
worse successors as the Jews were. Sure one could point out
Trotsky and Kaganovich, but then one could also point out Goebbels
and Rosenberg, not to mention Hitler himself...True Marx was
Jewish, but Engles was not. Nor was Lenin, Stalin ( who planned a new
holocaust before his death ) nor Mao. There were a number of Jewish
Communists in 1920s, '30s, and '40s Europe and America, but they
never represented a majority ( except perhaps in South Africa )
To furthermore lump in individuals of Jewish heritage who are
not part of the Jewish community, is absurd.
and Jewish Hollywood
The closest thing to culture that non-Latinos in California have.
One of the few forms that is uniquely American. The basis of the
economy of Southern California. While I sympathise greatly with
nations that have seen their film industries destroyed by an over-
abundance of American product, the responsibility is not exclusive-
ly that of the USA. Political patronage and lack of funds resulted
in those countries not making films that would attract an audience.
Any audience except for the most specialised would choose even schlock
like " Independence Day " over " Our Hitler ". In the sixties when
American dominance was not as crushing as at present, when US market
share was 65% rather than the 85% at present, the Europeans and Japa-
nese were making plenty of films aimed at worldwide mass audiences.
There were also more coproductions with the USA. While it is tragic
that Italy and Germany, countries with highly distinguished film
traditions going back to the beginning of cinema, no longer effectively
have film industries, one cannot say the Europeans are wholly without
blame.
> and media constantly promotes liberal race-mixing and "equality"
> garbage
So make your own films ! There's plenty of unemployed actors and film
pros out there. If some are desperate enough for work that they'll do
porno, there are those who would work for one of your projects. You guys
whine about " Jews in Hollywood " so much but I don't see you out there
trying to compete. LA and NY are overflowing with desperate people who
need the work, any work. For really cheap labour you could go to Eastern
Europe. This way you people would actually be doing something
constructive. Tarantino, Jarmusch, Robert Rodriguez,and Linklater
started from nothing. Make your own film and then complain about
everyone else.
, and "White guilt" poison.
So counteract it ! I don't see you guys trying to tell your
side of the story, but just whining and yammering. Make your own
films. There's probably even some " names " out there who have
fallen on the skids due to alcohol, drugs, gambling or whatsoever
who would provide star value of sorts for you guys to sell your
picture internationally, or folks who have fame in other fields who'd
want to try acting. If you guys did this than you would
actually merit some respect from yours truly. But that's not what
I see right now. I see right now some whining, jealous twits
yammering away about failed political ideas and condemning those
who are more successful than them out of jealousy. All it takes is the
guts. If Ed Wood did it whats stopping you ?
> By the way, if you're so interested in a reply from Ian, why don't you
> ask him the question again. I'm sure Ian will respond if your inquiry
> is sincere.
Because he constantly dodges the questions.
> Brian Smith
> Western Imperative Network (WIN)
> http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
>
> * * * Educational Sites of Interest * * *
> 1) White Renewal
>
> a) The Library of Yggdrasil
>
> b) Whites: Wake Up or Die.
Listen to your own advice. If you do not " wake up " and make your own
films to counteract the influence of those films you claim are opposed
to your ideals, or do your own conditioning in constructive forms that
people will accept, you will wither away and die out. And I personally
will not mourn this.
>
> 2) Revisionism
>
Here's some revisionism for you. Do something positive rather than
negative. You guys right now do nothing worthy of respect. Lets say that
I was someone in the middle ( which in some ways I am ). You guys have
too strict of a definition of purity. This is why you have no
credibility. Say that I was actually interested in your group and your
way of thought, hypothetically, but what would I find ? Just repulsive
hateful garbage, much of it directed against my own person just because
I happen to be in the middle. No wonder why your movement is failing,
you must reach out to the people in the middle rather than repulsing
them as not sufficiently pure enough. If you consider yourselves morally
superiour to Jews, why are you behaving exactly like them, or how you
say they are ? Truth is, you're inferiour. Jews have contributed
substantially to western culture in the past and continue to do so. What
do you guys contribute ? Nothing. Just a hack pulp novel along the lines
of Donald Hamilton's Matt Helm series, and a third rate heavy rock band.
What else is new ? BTW what's up with the adaptation of The Turner
Diaries starring Eddie Murphy as Earl Turner and Sean Young as his woman
? Isn't the gay director Joel Schumacher doing it ?
> http://www.webcom.com/%7Eezundel/nahuatl/ahuacan.html
>
> b) Committee for Open Debate On the Holocaust (CODOH)
Your stuff makes me nostalgic for Serdar Argic. What about the
Moslem Holocaust ?
>
> c) Greg Raven's IHR Website
At least Cliff Raven contributed something good to the world through
tattooing.
>
> d) Air Photo Evidence Shatters "Gas Chamber" Myth
Now let me guess - those air photos were done at San Quentin ?
>
> 3) Jewish Media Control
Get off your shit about Jews. Back in the days when the Jews really did
control Hollywood, there were real beautiful women up on the screen. The
rise of anorexic, strung out androgynous " waifs " is proportional to
the decline of Mediterranean influence and the rise of Nordic
homosexuals. That's why we have Kate Moss whereas we had Sofia Loren
back then...
>
> 4) The Immigration Disaster
> http://www.instanet.com/~vct/
So I guess they really aren't so Jewish after all..." Juifs brunnes ",
anyone ?? " Judios pardos " ?
> 5) U.S. Massively Funds Israeli Terrorism
At least Israeli terrorism is in our interests. Would you rather we
support Saddam Hussein ? Hypocritical wretch. Oh I forgot, since
you're " Aryans " you obviously support the Aryan homeland, Iran.
Thats what Iran means - Aryan homeland. The Shah had the title of
Lord of the Aryans.
Ian McKinney
Jim McCulloch wrote:
> In article <347252...@usaor.net>, Ian McKinney <i...@usaor.net> wrote:
> > Jim Mcculloch wrote:
> > >
> >
>
> Sorry, Ian. I must have somehow gotten you confused with Roger Hughes.
> And how is old Roger these days? We haven't heard much from him lately.
> Does that mean you are better?
"Roger Hughes" was simply used to screw-up certain people's searches. Of
course, it shouldn't have taken a rocket scientist to figure out that
"Hughes" and myself are the same person since the email stayed the same.
You guys are really sharp. Duh!
Jim Mcculloch
On Wed, 19 Nov 1997 05:05:51 GMT, sbr...@micron.net (Brian Smith)
wrote:
>Ah Jim: one of the more amusing of the fanatically idiotic
>egalitarians. Jim, why don't lead us in another one of your do-good
>sing-alongs: "We're all equal, yes we are. We're all equal, that by
>far..."
Who said nazis are equal? Not me. Nazis are as defective in their
morals as in their intellect, both of which deficiencies they
regularly expose to an astonished world (sometimes even in the same
post, such is their attention span) by claiming that the Jews deserve
their misfortunes, on the one hand, and the Holocaust never
happened,on the other.
But decent people, when faced with mere inferiority, do not regard it
as a reason for loathing the inferior. I had a Downs syndrome niece,
now unfortunately dead, who though less capable than Mr. Smith in
expressing ill-will and churlishness, had no need of such capabilities
since she hated no one and was sweet-tempered to one and all. Who is
*really* inferior here, a mongoloid child, or a neo-nazi? You decide,
dear reader, on the basis of the evidence before us.
Should we, having decided correctly, then loathe Mr. Smith and his
little band of Hitler worshippers? No, we do ourselves no favor by
joining them as they stew in envy and unhappiness and paranoia. We
should be kind to the inferior.
--Jim McCulloch
Ian McKinney
> >
> >No, I'm not going to put the man's name out on this newsgroup just
> >because you demand it. I doubt he would appreciate that.
>
> We are discussing a journalist who conducted an interview. Since he
> conducted the interview, I doubt very much he doesn't want his name
> associated with it. The bottom line: I think you just made all of this up
> and have painted yourself into a corner.
I have NO NEED to make-up the fact that Slovo was a communist. What
nonsense. Look, I've already posted Slovo's obituary as released by the
ANC which clearly identifies him as the head of the SA Communist Party.
The information I recalled from a conversation with an independant
journalist is largely confirmed by the ANC article. Now, you want to
distract everybody by harping on who this journalist really is. As it is
I looked for him on the Net and found his radio station, which carries a
daily news discussion program hosted by him. Whether his interview was
featured during his show I don't know. All I can say is that he went to
SA and did a four-hour interview with Slovo in a SA hotel. I also
remember him saying that Slovo was an extremely intelligent man.
You just don't want people knowing that the ANC is closely affiliated
with the Communists. I like how Mandella regularly interchanges the
words "democracy" and "communism" (Check his eulogy at Slovo's funeral).
I doubt he really sees any significant difference between the two. Of
course, in many ways there is no difference, so maybe Mandella is more
correct than he appears.
Jim Mcculloch
On Wed, 19 Nov 1997 20:31:58 GMT, sbr...@micron.net (Brian Smith)
wrote:
(deletia)
>Ok. So everyone's "equal" except for "Nazis" (which I'm not, by the
>way.)
OK. If it looks like a nazi, quacks like a nazi, struts like a nazi,
defends Hitler like a nazi, denies the Holocaust like a nazi with
something to hide, hates Jews like a nazi, claims blacks are inferior
like a nazi, has the artistic tastes of a nazi, uses the word aryan
like a nazi, quotes the Turner diaries like a nazi, it is a DUCK,
according to Mr. Smith.
--Jim McCulloch
Ian McKinney
Brian Smith wrote:
> Michael Snider <sanl...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> Anytime you want to discuss something intelligently, you can begin by
> formatting intelligently. Otherwise, don't even bother.
I don't understand what it is with some of these people. You'd think
that formatting a reply is the most difficult thing in the world. Every
time I bring up one of Snider's posts the damn thing has everything
jammed together so I have to go through it and try to separate the his
replies to the comments of others. Why he can't simply single-space
between a post and his reply to it is unknown. Maybe he never bothers to
look at his own postings.
Brian Smith
hc2...@earthlink.net wrote:
Your term "supremacist" is an ignorant, false label. White
separatists aren't necessarily supremacists. I see that each race
differs in its own ability and talents.
Actually it is America that is going to go straight into the crapper
under diversity. How do think America's cities will like to live in
when they are 70% Black?
Japan shows how beneficial racial homogeny can be. It isn't perfect,
but it has several advantages over a diverse society. Homogeny
certainly isn't unviable. Far from it.
Face it: the multiracial experiment has been a miserable failure.
The races naturally prefer their own kind. This will always cause the
accusation of racism. Racial animosity only increases with close
proximity. Where do you think this is going to lead? To conflict.
Brian Smith
Western Imperative Network (WIN)
http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
* * * Educational Sites of Interest * * *
1) White Renewal
a) The Library of Yggdrasil
b) Whites: Wake Up or Die.
c) Stormfront
http://www.stormfront.org/
2) Revisionism
a) The Zundelsite
http://www.webcom.com/%7Eezundel/english/welcome.html
b) Committee for Open Debate On the Holocaust (CODOH)
http://www.codoh.com
c) Greg Raven's IHR Website
http://www.kaiwan.com/%7Eihrgreg/
d) Air Photo Evidence Shatters "Gas Chamber" Myth
3) Jewish Media Control
http://www.natall.com/WHORULES/WHORULES.HTML
4) The Immigration Disaster
http://www.instanet.com/~vct/
5) U.S. Massively Funds Israeli Terrorism
Brian Smith
Michael Snider <sanl...@earthlink.net> wrote:
[more completely unformated slop, kindly snipped!]
Anytime you want to discuss something intelligently, you can begin by
formatting intelligently. Otherwise, don't even bother.
Brian Smith
Western Imperative Network (WIN)
http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
* * * Educational Sites of Interest * * *
1) White Renewal
a) The Library of Yggdrasil
b) Whites: Wake Up or Die.
c) Stormfront
http://www.stormfront.org/
2) Revisionism
a) The Zundelsite
http://www.webcom.com/%7Eezundel/english/welcome.html
b) Committee for Open Debate On the Holocaust (CODOH)
http://www.codoh.com
c) Greg Raven's IHR Website
http://www.kaiwan.com/%7Eihrgreg/
d) Air Photo Evidence Shatters "Gas Chamber" Myth
3) Jewish Media Control
http://www.natall.com/WHORULES/WHORULES.HTML
4) The Immigration Disaster
http://www.instanet.com/~vct/
5) U.S. Massively Funds Israeli Terrorism
Brian Smith
Ian McKinney <i...@usaor.net> wrote:
>I have NO NEED to make-up the fact that Slovo was a communist. What
>nonsense. Look, I've already posted Slovo's obituary as released by the
>ANC which clearly identifies him as the head of the SA Communist Party.
Indeed. Anyone who claims Joe Slovo wasn't a commie knows absolutely
nothing about him, or the ANC. His open promotion of communism has
been known for years.
We see another Negro commie (Mandela) canonized into a saint. (cf.
Martin Luther King). How surprising.
Brian Smith
mccu...@mail.utexas.edu (Jim Mcculloch) wrote:
>Who said nazis are equal? Not me. Nazis are as defective in their
>morals as in their intellect, both of which deficiencies they
>regularly expose to an astonished world
Ok. So everyone's "equal" except for "Nazis" (which I'm not, by the
way.) Which is why basketball teams are always made up of "equal"
number of Whites, Asians, Indians, and Blacks. Now we're really
getting absurd. No matter, this is Jim's little world we're in now.
Amusing to descend into the funhouse for a whorl.
>(sometimes even in the same
>post, such is their attention span) by claiming that the Jews deserve
>their misfortunes, on the one hand, and the Holocaust never
>happened,on the other.
Those aren't mutual exclusive alternatives, Jim, by the way. But the
point is moot: I'm only interested in whether the Holocaust claims
are true or not. Deserve or not deserve is not my interest.
The "gas chambers" are rightly called the Hoax of the 20th Century.
Check out the following websites, and find out why:
http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website
http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite
http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site
http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The
Leuchter Report
http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving
http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust
(Bradley Smith)
http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz
http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball)
http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute
http://www.codoh.com/rudolf/rudreport/rudreport.html
[Jim's remaining bullshit snipped]
Ian McKinney
Michael Snider wrote:
> Brian Smith wrote:
> > The question yesterday, if I remember right, dealt with what Jews have
> > done to the White race. Ian has explained that numerous times on many
> > occasions.
> >
> > But in case you missed it, here's two: murderous communism was
> > invented and promoted by Jewish revolutionaries,
> Which happened to impact Jews more negatively than any other
> group.
Hogwash! Read it and weep:
Patriot Fact Sheet : The Jews and Bolshevism
By Ian McKinney
One of the most hushed-up facts concerning the so-called "Russian
Revolution" of 1917 is that Jews constituted the overwhelming majority
of the Bolshevik leadership. While the Jews, and those sympathetic to
them, continue to condemn anyone as "anti-Semitic" who brings up these
facts, it remains undeniable that communism was both a Jewish created
and lead revolutionary movement. Communism remains the single most
destructive and murderous political system ever created.
First, it is a well known fact that the father of communism, Karl Marx,
was a Jew and descended from long list of rabbis on his father's side.
Whether he was a "religous" Jew is of no significant importance, since
Jewishness is not defined exclusively by adherance to Judaism. A great
bulk of Jews today would probably identify themselves as atheists, but
also nonetheless consider themselves Jews. This was confirmed by Leo N,
Levi, former President of B'nai B'rith, when he remarked: "A believer in
the Jewish faith does not by reason of that fact become a Jew. On the
other hand, however, a Jew by birth remains a Jew, even though he
adjures his religion."
While some persons, who deny Jewish involvement in communism, will
concede that Marx was indeed Jewish, let's see the them deny the
communist-Jewish connection as clearly exposed in diplomatic cables that
passed between American representatives in Russia and Washington D.C.
during the time of the Bolshevik take-over of Russia. The following
quotes are taken directly from documents available from the U.S.
Archives:
State Department document 861.00/1757 sent May 2, 1918 by U.S. consul
general in Moscow, Summers: "Jews prominant in local Soviet government,
anti-Jewish feeling growing among population...."
State Department document 861.00/2205 was sent from Vladivostok on July
5, 1918 by U.S. consul Caldwell: "Fifty percent of Soviet government in
each town consists of Jews of the worst type."
From the Headquarters of the American Expeditionary Forces, Siberia on
March 1, 1919, comes this telegram from Omsk by Chief of Staff, Capt.
Montgomey Shuyler: "It is probably unwise to say this loudly in the
United States but the Bolshevik movement is and has been since it's
beginning guided and controlled by Russian Jews of the greasiest
type."
A second Schuyler telegram, dated June 9, 1919 from Vladivostok, reports
on the make-up of the presiding Soviet government: "...(T)here were 384
`commissars' including 2 negroes, 13 Russians, 15 Chinamen, 22
Armenians, AND MORE THAN 300 JEWS. Of the latter number, 264 had come to
Russia from the United States since the downfall of the Imperial
Government."
With the notable exception of Lenin (Vladimir Ulyanov), most of the
leading Communists who took control of Russia in 1917-20 were Jews.
(Lenin was married to the Jewess, Krupsakaya, and has since been
discovered by a former Soviet general, who had access to the KGB
archives, to have been least 25% Jewish!) Leon Trotsky (Lev Bronstein)
headed the Red Army and, for a time, was chief of Soviet foreign
affairs. Yakov Sverdlov (Solomon) was both the Bolshevik party's
executive secretary and - as chairman of the Central Executive Committee
- head of the Soviet government. Grigori Zinoviev (Radomyslsky) headed
the Communist International (Comintern), the central agency for
spreading revolution in foreign countries. Other prominent Jews included
street agitator and later press commissar Karl Radek (Sobelsohn),
foreign affairs commissar Maxim Litvinov (Wallach), Lev Kamenev
(Rosenfeld), Yakov Sverdlov, and Moisei Uritsky.
David R. Francis, United States ambassador in Russia, warned in a
January 1918 dispatch to Washington: "The Bolshevik leaders here, most
of whom are Jews and 90 percent of whom are returned exiles, care little
for Russia or any other country but are internationalists and they are
trying to start a worldwide social revolution."
The Netherlands' ambassador in Russia, Oudendyke, confirmed this:
"Unless Bolshevism is nipped in the bud immediately, it is bound to
spread in one form or another over Europe and the whole world as it is
organized and worked by Jews who have no nationality, and whose one
object is to destroy for their own ends the existing order of things."
In case anyone thinks I've taken a few selected quotes out-of-context,
here's three paragraphs from Dr. George A. Simons, a former
superintendent of the Methodist Missions in Russia, Bolshevik Propaganda
Hearing Before the Sub-Committee of the Committee on the Judiciary,
United States Senate, 65th Congress:
"We were told that hundreds of agitators had followed in the trail of
Trotsky (Bronstein) these men having come over from the lower east side
of New York. Some of them when they learned that I was the American
Pastor in Petrograd, stepped up to me and seemed very much pleased that
there was somebody who could speak English, and their broken English
showed that they had not qualified as being Americas. A number of these
men called on me and were impressed with the strange Yiddish element in
this thing right from the beginning, and it soon became evident that
more than half the agitators in the socalled Bolshevik movement were
Jews...I have a firm conviction that this thing is Yiddish, and that one
of its bases is found in the east side of New York...The latest
startling information, given me by someone with good authority,
startling information, is this, that in December, 1918, in the northern
community of Petrograd that is what they call the section of the Soviet
regime under the Presidency of the man known as Apfelbaum (Zinovieff)
out of 388 members, only 16 happened to be real Russians, with the
exception of one man, a Negro from America who calls himself Professor
Gordon.
I was impressed with this, Senator, that shortly after the great
revolution of the winter of 1917, there were scores of Jews standing on
the benches and soap boxes, talking until their mouths frothed, and I
often remarked to my sister, 'Well, what are we coming to anyway. This
all looks so Yiddish.' Up to that time we had see very few Jews, because
there was, as you know, a restriction against having Jews in Petrograd,
but after the revolution they swarmed in there and most of the agitators
were Jews.
I might mention this, that when the Bolshevik came into power all over
Petrograd, we at once had a predominance of Yiddish proclamations, big
posters and everything in Yiddish. It became very evident that now that
was to be one of the great languages of Russia; and the real Russians
did not take kindly to it."
Some might automatically assume that the preceeding sources are
"anti-Semitic" and therefore unreliable, but they'd be wrong. Here's a
few Jewish sources that essentially substantiate the previous ones:
"The Bolshevik revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains, of
Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal is to create a
new order in the world. What was performed in so excellent a way in
Russia, thanks to Jewish brains, and because of Jewish dissatisfaction
and by Jewish planning, shall also, through the same Jewish mental an
physical forces, become a reality all over the world." (The American
Hebrew, September 10, 1920)
"There is much in the fact of Bolshevism itself, in the fact that so
many Jews are Bolshevists. The ideals of Bolshevism are consonant with
many of the highest ideals of Judaism." (Jewish Chronicle, London April,
4, 1919)
"Some call it Marxism I call it Judaism." (The American Bulletin, Rabbi
S. Wise, May 5, 1935).
"In the Bolshevik era, 52 percent of the membership of the Soviet
communist party was Jewish, though Jews comprised only 1.8 percent of
the total population." (Stuart Kahan, The Wolf of the Kremlin, p. 81)
Interestinly, one of the first acts by the Bolsheviks was to make
so-called "anti-Semitism" a capital crime. This is confirmed by Stalin
himself:
"National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic customs
characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-semitism, as an
extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of
cannibalism...under USSR law active anti-Semites are liable to the death
penalty." (Stalin, Collected Works, vol. 13, p. 30).
While Christian churches across Russia were being destroyed and
clergymen murdered by Communist gangs, synoguoges and rabbis were left
virtually untouched.
It was during this time that Bolshevik Commissars (many of them Jews)
conducted a horrendous reign of terror against the non-Jewish Russian
population. In one case alone, they deliberately starved to death 20
million Ukranian farmers during the 1920's in one of the most vile
campaigns in history: In (the) Ukraine, "Jews made up nearly 80 percent
of the rank-and-file Cheka agents," reports W. Bruce Lincoln, an
American professor of Russian history. . . "
Some modern historians estimate that upwards of 85 million persons were
murdered in the 70 years of communist rule in Russia, many of them
directly at the hands of Jews, and even more at the order of Jewish
Communist bosses.
Jews and Post WWII Communism
During the early 1950's numerous investigations and trials were
conducted against communist agents. Here follows a brief summary of the
most well-know cases which demonstrate the disproportionate involvement
of Jews in communist activities against the United States.
"The Amerasia Case": In early 1945 the FBI arrested six persons for
stealing 1700 highly classified State Department documents. Three of the
six were Jews:
Philip Jaffe, a Russian Jew who was the former editor of the communist
paper, "Labor Defense". He was convicted and fined.
Andrew Roth, a Brooklyn Jew, was a lieutenant in Naval Intelligence.
Mark Gayn, a Russian Jew, (real name is Julius Ginsberg), was a writer.
"Alger Hiss Case": Hiss, although a communist, was one of the most
influential men in the State Department and an advisor to FDR. He was a
protege of Jewish Supreme Court Justice, Felix Frankfurter. Despite
Frankfurter's court appearance as a character witness, Hiss was
convicted of perjury and sentenced to five years.
"Gerhard Eisler Case": Eisler, a Jew and the highest-ranking member of
the communist party ever brought to trial, was the secret boss of the
communist party between 1935 and 1947. In May of 1950, while free on
bail, Eisler fled the U.S. and later became the propaganda chief of
communist Eastern Germany. His sister, Ruth, was a communist agent for a
number of years.
"The Hollywood Ten": In 1950 ten leading film writers of the Hollywood
Film Colony were convicted of contempt of Congress and sentenced to
prison. Nine of the ten were Jews:
Alvah Bessie, a screen writer, wrote for the party publication, New
Masses.
Herbert Biberman, a communist party member.
Lester Cole, a communist party member.
Edward Dmytryk, belonged to fifteen communist fronts.
Ring Lardner, Jr., a communist party member.
John Lawson, a Broadway playwrite and communist party member.
Albert Maltz, a screen writer and communist party member.
Samuel Ornitz, a screen writer.
Adrian Scott, nationality unknown.
Dalton Trumbo, a communist party member.
"The American Politburo": The case exposed the fact that at least six of
eleven members of the National Secretariat of the American Communist
Party were Jewish. Those identified as Jews were:
Jacob Sachel, John Gates (real name, Israel Regenstreif), Gilbert Green
(real name, Greenberg), Gus Hall (real name, Arvo Mike Halberg), Irving
Potash, and Carl Winter. The racial identity of Eugene Dennis (real
name, Waldron), Robert Thompson, and John Williamson are unknown.
"Fuchs-Gold Spy Ring": Atomic scientist, Klaus Fuchs, (not a Jew), was
brought to America at the personal instigation of Albert Einstein. While
working on the Manhattan Project, Fuchs had access to our innermost
atomic secrets from 1942 to 1945. Based upon information obtained from
Fuchs, the FBI began investigations which resulted in the arrest of nine
other members of the spy ring. Of the nine, who were all convicted,
eight were Jewish:
Harry Gold, pivotal ring member along with Fuchs, was arrested in 1950,
pleaded guilty to espionage, and sentenced to thirty years.
David Greenglass, passed atomic secrets to Gold and Julius Rosenberg.
Greenglass's wife worked as a courier, passing information between her
husband and the Rosenbergs. He was released from prison in 1960.
Abraham Brothman, headed an engineering firm and supplied Gold with
secret information on aviation gasoline, turbo aircraft engines, and
synthetic rubber. He was convicted of conspiracy aginst the U.S.
Miriam Moscowitz, an associate of Brothman, was convicted.
Julius Rosenberg, an electrical engineer, stole plans for the highly
secret proximity fuse. He also aided in the theft of other atomic
secrets. He was convicted and sentenced to death.
Ethel Rosenberg, wife of Julius, was convicted of the same charges. She
was the sister to David Greenglass. Ethel and her husband were executed
on June 19,1953.
Morten Sobell, passed secret radar information to Rosenberg. He was
convicted of conspiracy to commit espionage and sentenced to thirty
years.
It should be noted that the chief of the Los Alamos atomic
installation was Robert Oppenheimer, a Jew, who was recently confirmed
as a communist agent by former high-ranking KGB official, Pavel
Sudoplatov (not a Jew, but married to a Jewess), in his book - Special
Tasks.
"Second-String Politburo": After the convictions of the first-string,
"American Politburo", a second-string was scheduled to take over the
communist operations. In 1951, the Justice Department indicted the whole
group. The new group consisted of 21 members, 14 of which were Jews:
Israel Amtor, Marian Maxwell, Isadore Begun, Alexander Bittelman, George
Charney, Betty Gannett, Simon Gerson, Victory Jerome, Jacob Mindel,
Alexander Trachenberg, Louis Weinstock, William Weinstone, Fred Fine,
William Marron, Sidney Steinberg.
Of the non-Jews indicted, James Jackson, Petty Perris, and Claudia
Jones, were negroes.
"The Round-up": On July 1951, the FBI arrested 15 leading communists
party officials on the West Coast. A few days later, five more leaders
were arrested on the East Coast. All were charged with conspiracy to
overthrow the U.S. government. Of the 15 arrested on the West Coast, six
were identified as Jews:
Henry Steinberg, Rose Chernin, Frank Carlson, Benjamin Dobbs, Frank
Spector, Al Richmond, and Carl Lambert.
Four of five of those arrested in the East were Jews:
Regina Frankfeld, George Meyers, Philip Frankfeld, and Rose Blumberg.
That concludes the summary of the bigger cases against
communists in the 1950's. It is worth mentioning three Aryans: Whittaker
Chambers, Elizabeth Bentley, and Vanderbilt Fields. All three later
renounced their affiliations with the communist party and provided
valuable information that lead to investigations and convictions. Not
coincidentally, all three of these former communists were married to
Jews.
After years of denial by Jews and those sympathetic to Jews, many new
facts are coming to light from both de-classified FBI files and KGB
archives which prove that communist activity was even more widespread
than suspected during the time of these investigations. Also the role of
Jews has likewise been proven to have been even more extensive.
The 1997 second edition of "The Rosenberg Files", in particular,
utilizes much of this recent information. Obviously, one of the book's
authors is a Jew, yet the facts contained are simply overwhelming. Of
course, fifty years ago the Jewish establishment was screaming
"anti-Semitism" any time some one expressed the view that a very
disproportionate number of Jews were active in Communist activity and
espionage against America. After the damage has been done, the Jews
finally admit that the so-called "anti-Semites" were right!
(This information was taken from the books, "Behind Communism", by Frank
Britton, and "The Rosenberg Files" by Ronald Radosh and Joyce Milton.
==================
(This information is provided as a public service by the Western
Imperative Network. http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/).
Kenneth McVay OBC
In article <mcculloch-ya024080...@newshost.cc.utexas.edu>,
Jim McCulloch <mccu...@mail.utexas.edu> wrote:
>Sorry, Ian. I must have somehow gotten you confused with Roger Hughes.
>And how is old Roger these days? We haven't heard much from him lately.
>Does that mean you are better?
Ask him about William Scott - that's the name his ISP knew him by,
last time I did a finger... yessir - there's a boy who really lacks
the courage of his convictions :-)
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/s/scott.william/isp/finger.960823:
[gate.usaor.net]
William Scott (mckinney)
Network dialup SLIP/PPP user.
Address mail to mcki...@usaor.net
New mail arrived Fri Aug 23 15:20:46 1996.
Has not read mail for 17:46:27.
I also found it interesting that "Ian McKinney" and "Roger Hughes"
were relative unknowns on the internet white pages, while ol' Willy
Scotts are a dima a dozen...
(whaddamaroon...)
--
The Nizkor Project http://www.nizkor.org
Kenneth McVay, OBC, Director: http://www.nizkor.org/~kmcvay
-----------------------------------------------------------
http://www.theconvergence.com/columns/kmcvay/11041997/
Ian McKinney
Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
> I also found it interesting that "Ian McKinney" and "Roger Hughes"
> were relative unknowns on the internet white pages, while ol' Willy
> Scotts are a dima a dozen...
Ho hum, you still pushing that old line, McVay? Go ahead, Finger my
address. I guess it's the best you have. BTW, I thought you were out of
business. Tax problems I heard. Anyway, with McCarthey suddenly bailing
out, you must be really busy maintaining your smear archives.
BTW, what brings you out of moth balls? (Stash running low?) Well, it
must be something important, since we're not even talking about the
'holocaust." I thought that's all you cared about?
Ok, I guess you're still sore about us busting-up your little party over
the summer. I hear that Hillary hasn't been the same since. And boy did
Chuck Ferree really make an ass of himself! Last time I checked there
were still threads floating around dealing with Chucklehead's "problem."
Anyway, since you're here, stick around. Just remember this isn't
'alt.revisionism' so hold the 'holocaust' propaganda.
hc2...@earthlink.net
Brian Smith wrote:
>
> hc2...@earthlink.net wrote:
>
> >Ian McKinney wrote:
> >>
> >> Thomas Mohr wrote:
> >> > On Tue, 18 Nov 1997 22:18:51 GMT, rush...@nospamgeocities.com
> >> > (Robert McCallum) wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >Your "white" state won't be founded in this country. So, I suggest
> >> > >you go to Bosnia. OK?
> >> >
> >> > Don't send them to Europe .. WE DON'T WANT THEM HERE EITHER.
> >>
> >> Don't worry, we're not going anywhere.
>
> >Supremacists are, indeed, going nowhere.
>
> Your term "supremacist" is an ignorant, false label. White
> separatists aren't necessarily supremacists. I see that each race
> differs in its own ability and talents.
>
> Actually it is America that is going to go straight into the crapper
> under diversity. How do think America's cities will like to live in
> when they are 70% Black?
>
> Japan shows how beneficial racial homogeny can be. It isn't perfect,
> but it has several advantages over a diverse society. Homogeny
> certainly isn't unviable. Far from it.
>
> Face it: the multiracial experiment has been a miserable failure.
> The races naturally prefer their own kind. This will always cause the
> accusation of racism. Racial animosity only increases with close
> proximity. Where do you think this is going to lead? To conflict.
>
> Western Imperative Network (WIN)
If Brian Smith's Albino Crusaders were real WINners, he and his
fellow Network executives wouldn't take their genetical comedy
of errors so god-damned seriously. As it is, only the long-awaited
"coming out" episode may save the ratings of this failed sitcom.
Supremacists are going nowhere, but Brian's crew already got there.
Brian Smith
kmc...@nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
>In article <mcculloch-ya024080...@newshost.cc.utexas.edu>,
>Jim McCulloch <mccu...@mail.utexas.edu> wrote:
>>Sorry, Ian. I must have somehow gotten you confused with Roger Hughes.
>>And how is old Roger these days? We haven't heard much from him lately.
>>Does that mean you are better?
>Ask him about William Scott - that's the name his ISP knew him by,
>last time I did a finger... yessir - there's a boy who really lacks
>the courage of his convictions :-)
Nah. He would just rather not have "thought police" assholes like you
writing dossiers on him --- you know, like at Nizkor, i.e., Niz-Whore,
who "monitors" and archives the "thoughts of the politically
incorrect"? Why give you JDL jerkoffs any more information than
needed?
Ken of course works for Nizkor, which is supported by the ADL, a group
which has been indicted for crimes of spying on citizens who had views
that "Jews didn't care for." Check this out:
URL: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/funding.html
Summary: Please make your donations payable to League for Human Rights
of B'nai Brith Canada ...with the cheque's memo including "Nizkor
Project". ). In the United States, donations in support of the Project
should be made payable to San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund
and should be mailed to San Antonio Area Foundation.
Excite Search---Search: "nizkor"
"From B'nai Brith's 1996 'Audit of Anti-Semitic Incidents':
The League continues to monitor hate on the Internet and to propose
educational curricula and policy development to regulate, in some way,
the transmission of hateful messages. The League is working closely
with Ken McVay's Nizkor Project (http://www.nizkor.org) through the
"Holocaust and Hope" program. The League and Nizkor have prepared a
workbook entitled Hate and the Internet: Selected Readings to assist
in workshops on assist in workshops on this topic. The creation of a
B'nai web site (http://www.bnaibrith.ca) facilitates the dissemination
of information to counter hate and also provides a means of reporting
incidents directly to the National Office."
[Article from the Los Angeles Times of 9th April, 1993, by Richard C.
Paddock:
"Dateline San Francisco: Police on Thursday served search warrants on
the Anti-Defamation League [ADL] here and in Los Angeles, seizing
evidence of a nationwide intelligence network accused of keeping files
on more than 950 political groups, newspapers, and labor unions and as
many as 12,000 people.]
"...Police allege that the organization maintains undercover
operatives to gather political intelligence in at least seven cities,
including Los Angeles and San Francisco.
"People who were subjects of the spy operation included former
Republican Representative Pete McCloskey, jailed political extremist
Lyndon LaRouche and Los Angeles Times correspondent
Scott Kraft, who is based in South Africa....
"...In addition to allegations of obtaining confidential information
from police, the Anti-Defamation League could face a total of 48
felony counts for not properly reporting the employment of its chief
West Coast spy, Roy Bullock, according to the affidavit filed to
justify the search warrant.
"The Anti-Defamation League disguised payments to Bullock for more
than 25 years by funnelling $550 a week to Beverly Hills attorney
Bruce I. Hochman, who then paid Bullock, according to the documents
released in San Francisco. Hochman, a former president of the Jewish
Federation Council of Greater Los Angeles and one of the state's
leading tax attorneys, will be out of the city until late next week
and could not be reached for comment, his office said.
"The court papers also added to the mystery of Tom Gerard, a former
CIA agent and San Francisco police officer accused of providing
confidential material from police files to the Anti-Defamation
League... ...Bullock said it was Gerard who sold official police
intelligence. Bullock said he split about $16,000... evenly with
Gerard, telling him at one point, "I may be gay, but I'm a straight
arrow."...
[end]
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/s/scott.william/isp/finger.960823:
Yeah, it's real easy to use your "real name" when you're the
full-time, ass-kisser and hireling of B'Nai B'rith's "Nizkor," (which
Ken is) and thus can't be "fired" or harrassed off the job for
"political incorrectness." Yeah, you're a real paragon of courage,
aren't you Ken-doll? Considering you were a gas jockey for years
prior, becoming a whore for the ADL (aka, "anti-racist crusader") was
quite a "step up," wasn't it Kenny?
Now, why don't you give out the Nizkor URL where you admit working as
a gas station attendant before being hired on at Niz-Whore? Come on,
McVay. Let's have it. Or are you ashamed of who you are?
I guess you would love to have Ian hauled before a "thoughtcrime"
tribunal, like Canada's Ernst Zundel, whom your ADL employers are
constantly hounding, and when that doesn't work, they burn up his
house. (all for questioning the HolyHoax, of course.) And what is
Kenny's response? Nada, zip, zilcho. Ah, he's got too much riding
on his job as henchman for these thought-police goons. My, my, Ken:
how does it feel having sold your soul to the devil? I'm sure your
conscience rests easy at night. Yeah, real easy. Always better than
pumping gas. Always better than pumping gas. I'm sure you've turned
that over in your mind before more than once... Don't stop now,
Kenny.
Brian Smith
Western Imperative Network (WIN)
Brian Smith
mccu...@mail.utexas.edu (Jim Mcculloch) wrote:
>On Wed, 19 Nov 1997 20:31:58 GMT, sbr...@micron.net (Brian Smith)
>wrote:
>>Ok. So everyone's "equal" except for "Nazis" (which I'm not, by the
>>way.)
>OK. If it looks like a nazi, quacks like a nazi, struts like a nazi,
>defends Hitler like a nazi, denies the Holocaust like a nazi with
>something to hide, hates Jews like a nazi, claims blacks are inferior
>like a nazi, has the artistic tastes of a nazi, uses the word aryan
>like a nazi, quotes the Turner diaries like a nazi, it is a DUCK,
>according to Mr. Smith.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not at all insulted by the term "nazi." It's
just that ignorant liberal bozos like yourself love to throw the term
around loosely. Anyone who doubts the holohoax is a "nazi" for
example. Hell, you wouldn't know a nazi if you tripped over one.
I'm no nazi, i,e, I'm not a member of the NASDAP nor am I advocating
its return. These are different times today, a different country,
differing dynamics. All the same, the National Socialists have much
in common with my views, i.e., a White state, racialism as the state's
top priority, and the use of eugenics. I am, however, a racial
separatist, favoring the peaceful separation of the races, at the very
least the formation of a White state.
If you really agreed with "diversity" you would have no problem with
that, since according to "diversity" everyone should have a right to
live with like-minded people according to their own differing
preference. With a White state, White people could have a real
choice: to live among Whites, or not. People like you would still be
free to live in Detroit (and hopefully would).
However, you don't really want diversity. You just want others to
munch on your ludicrous egalitarian thought-manure as happily,
sloppily, and stupidly as you do, and their differing preferences and
opinions attacked. You're a despicable hypocrite, in addition to
being a promoter of the lie of racial "equality". (sic)
Thomas Mohr
On Thu, 20 Nov 1997 04:33:56 GMT, sbr...@micron.net (Brian Smith)
wrote:
< snip >
>Nah. He would just rather not have "thought police" assholes like you
>writing dossiers on him --- you know, like at Nizkor, i.e., Niz-Whore,
>who "monitors" and archives the "thoughts of the politically
>incorrect"? Why give you JDL jerkoffs any more information than
>needed?
In one word, Ian McKinney or whoever he is isn't man enough to spred
his idiocies in his own name. A really sorry character.
T.M.
Ian McKinney wrote:
> Patriot Fact Sheet : The Jews and Bolshevism
> By Ian McKinney
>
>
> One of the most hushed-up facts concerning the so-called "Russian
> Revolution" of 1917 is that Jews constituted the overwhelming majority
> of the Bolshevik leadership. While the Jews, and those sympathetic to
> them, continue to condemn anyone as "anti-Semitic" who brings up these
> facts, it remains undeniable that communism was both a Jewish created
> and lead revolutionary movement. Communism remains the single most
> destructive and murderous political system ever created.
socialism. If you take into account the War triggered by these scums, a
system created by white nationalists, loss of life far outscores
communists.
< snip >
Jim Mcculloch
On Thu, 20 Nov 1997 04:08:06 GMT, sbr...@micron.net (Brian Smith)
wrote:
>
>Don't get me wrong. I'm not at all insulted by the term "nazi."
How come I am not surprised?
> It's
>just that ignorant liberal bozos like yourself love to throw the term
>around loosely. Anyone who doubts the holohoax is a "nazi" for
>example. Hell, you wouldn't know a nazi if you tripped over one.
I suppose it would depend on whether he was quoting the Turner Diaries
or not.
>I'm no nazi, i,e, I'm not a member of the NASDAP nor am I advocating
>its return.
Mr. Smith here claims, amazingly, that he is *not* a nazi. And on
what basis does he make this claim, which seems to stand in opposition
to every syllable in the thousands of posts he has sent to scores of
newsgroups? Well, he says, in effect, "it is not 1939 and I am not
speaking German".
Big deal. OK, then, I'll settle for *NEO* Nazi. Happy now?
>These are different times today, a different country,
>differing dynamics. All the same, the National Socialists have much
>in common with my views, i.e., a White state, racialism as the state's
>top priority, and the use of eugenics. I am, however, a racial
>separatist, favoring the peaceful separation of the races, at the very
>least the formation of a White state.
In other words, your views map the views of Hitler's National
Socialist German Worker Party so closely that no one can tell the
difference. Hitler meant by peaceful separation of the races, of
course, killing all the Jews he could without the expectation of
serious resistance. No doubt, if you had the opportunity to act upon
your hatred of Jews you would do the same--provided of course, the
Jews and the "mud races" (as I seem to recall you putting it)
"peacefully" got into the boxcars.
>If you really agreed with "diversity" you would have no problem with
>that, since according to "diversity" everyone should have a right to
>live with like-minded people according to their own differing
>preference. With a White state, White people could have a real
>choice: to live among Whites, or not. People like you would still be
>free to live in Detroit (and hopefully would).
Who says I would deny your right to live among like-minded people? I
would be perfectly happy for Nazis to live only with other nazis. A
small ranch somewhere in Idaho, in fact, would be enough space for 40
acres and a mule for each one. Let's work on this goal. I'll
contribute 5 or 10 dollars if it looks like the project will get off
the ground.
--Jim McCulloch
Kenneth McVay OBC
In article <34744ad0....@newshost.cc.utexas.edu>,
Jim Mcculloch <mccu...@mail.utexas.ed> wrote, of Brian "Kurt Stele"
Smith:
[Mr. Smith offers a small amusement]
"I'm no nazi, i,e, I'm not a member of the NASDAP nor am I
advocating its return."
>Mr. Smith here claims, amazingly, that he is *not* a nazi. And on
>what basis does he make this claim, which seems to stand in opposition
>to every syllable in the thousands of posts he has sent to scores of
>newsgroups? Well, he says, in effect, "it is not 1939 and I am not
>speaking German".
>
>Big deal. OK, then, I'll settle for *NEO* Nazi. Happy now?
"Neo-" suggests, in this television age, the phrase "new and
improved." Mr. Smith's ideology is neither new, nor improved, so I
must object to considering him as anything other than the Nazi he is.
Ian McKinney
Jim Mcculloch wrote:
> Hitler meant by peaceful separation of the races, of
> course, killing all the Jews he could without the expectation of
> serious resistance. No doubt, if you had the opportunity to act upon
> your hatred of Jews you would do the same--provided of course, the
> Jews and the "mud races" (as I seem to recall you putting it)
> "peacefully" got into the boxcars.
The Jews are pretty much resolving the "Jewish Problem" themselves by
either not marrying, having few children, or by producing homosexuals.
Even the left-winger, Alan Dershowitz, is alarmed about the possible
disappearance of the "American Jew", but his recomendations won't work.
Even in my area, the Jews are disappearing. Jewish businesses are either
going bankrupt or being bought by White gentiles. The local Jewish
Community Center has been forced to taking in gentile kids into their
daycare center just to pay the light bill. All the young Jews have moved
away. Jewish power around here is collapsing. One of the Temples has
been for sale for four years. The percentage of Jews in the US
population has dropped from 4% to 2% in the last fifty years. The
pathologies spread by the Jews are all coming back on them. It's poetic
justice.
Our most important remaining Jewish problem is destroying the power of
the Jewish Establishment (media and finance). That's also happening with
the explosion of new media. I predict the Jew's economic power will be
increasingly stressed as they are forced to divert their efforts to
fighting-off the emerging Asian economic powers.
> Who says I would deny your right to live among like-minded people? I
> would be perfectly happy for Nazis to live only with other nazis. A
> small ranch somewhere in Idaho, in fact, would be enough space for 40
> acres and a mule for each one. Let's work on this goal. I'll
> contribute 5 or 10 dollars if it looks like the project will get off
> the ground.
The White separatist nation is already forming. White flight from the
multi-racial urban areas is creating and reinforcing White-dominated
areas. Along with this a selection process is occurring, since those
Whites who are the most race-conscious and repelled by non-whites are
the ones moving. Those Whites left behind may require a bit more
prodding by non-white crime and incompetency, but they'll follow. The
few that remain behind are worthless and will either be killed by
non-whites or breed with them and disappear gentically. The net result
is that race-conscious Whites are coming together.
You see, unlike K-Bar, who hates all people, I have faith in people's
natural instincts to eventually make them see reality as it is instead
of how the liberals want them to see it. I'm an optimist and firmly
believe things will eventually be straightened-out, somehow. Of course,
this can't happen without people becoming involved. But they will become
involved.
Brian Smith
kmc...@nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
>In article <34744ad0....@newshost.cc.utexas.edu>,
>Jim Mcculloch <mccu...@mail.utexas.ed> wrote, of Brian "Kurt Stele"
>Smith:
>[Mr. Smith offers a small amusement]
> "I'm no nazi, i,e, I'm not a member of the NASDAP nor am I
> advocating its return."
>>Mr. Smith here claims, amazingly, that he is *not* a nazi. And on
>>what basis does he make this claim, which seems to stand in opposition
>>to every syllable in the thousands of posts he has sent to scores of
>>newsgroups? Well, he says, in effect, "it is not 1939 and I am not
>>speaking German".
>>
>>Big deal. OK, then, I'll settle for *NEO* Nazi. Happy now?
>"Neo-" suggests, in this television age, the phrase "new and
>improved." Mr. Smith's ideology is neither new, nor improved, so I
>must object to considering him as anything other than the Nazi he is.
Call me whatever you want, Kenny-the ADL-whore -- again, the word
"nazi" doesn't bother me. I just cited it to further demonstrate how
ignorant you liberal fools are, and how promiscuous you are with the
term. You don't know anything about National Socialism other than the
Jewish holohoax lies you peddle for a living, Ken-doll. Now, scurry
along. There's always another dossier on some "politically incorrect"
user to upload to the Nizkor site, and then cc' to your ADL masters.
Lick the hand that feeds you, Ken, and lick it good, because you never
know when you'll be pumping gas again....
Brian Smith
hc2...@earthlink.net wrote:
>If Brian Smith's Albino Crusaders were real WINners, he and his
>fellow Network executives wouldn't take their genetical comedy
>of errors so god-damned seriously. As it is, only the long-awaited
>"coming out" episode may save the ratings of this failed sitcom.
>Supremacists are going nowhere,
I just finished saying I'm not a supremacist, but a racial separatist.
You might want to read before responding.
>but Brian's crew already got there.
Whites are moving away from non-White areas in record numbers. (See
the New York times article posted two days ago in this forum.) Most
of the fastest growing towns in America are full of Whites who fled
from the racially darkening cities. Separation is constantly
underway.
Michael Snider
Brian Smith wrote:
MS : Patriot in which country ? The world ? You never specified this. As
far as I know you could be talking about Zimbabwean patriotism.
: The Jews and Bolshevism
> >> By Ian McKinney
> >>
> >>
> >> One of the most hushed-up facts concerning the so-called "Russian
> >> Revolution" of 1917 is that Jews constituted the overwhelming majority
> >> of the Bolshevik leadership.
MS : No way. In Russia ? This would be like saying the major bulk of the
Aztecs were Moslems because Cortes referred to the Aztec temples as
mosques in his diaries.
While the Jews, and those sympathetic to
> >> them, continue to condemn anyone as "anti-Semitic" who brings up these
> >> facts, it remains undeniable that communism was both a Jewish created
> >> and lead revolutionary movement.
MS : By the same token that National Socialism was also Jewish created
and lead.
Communism remains the single most
> >> destructive and murderous political system ever created.
MS :Given as Nazi Germany is included among the carnage of Marxian
inspired governments. Ever read Camus' THE REBEL ?
> >Followed closely by a system created by white nationalists: National
> >socialism. If you take into account the War triggered by these scums, a
> >system created by white nationalists, loss of life far outscores
> >communists.
MS :Not to mention that National Socialism was also a derivative of the
views of Karl Marx. You blame Communism's damage on Jews owing to Marx
being Jewish - but one could just as easily blame National Socialism's
damage on Jews by the same standard.
> That's right: blame Germany for everything that happened in WWII.
> What crap.
MS :Why is it crap ? Who invaded France ? Who declared the elimination
of Jews from Europe as a goal ? Who declared a need for more lebensraum
in Czechoslovakia ? Who bombed Guernica ? Who supplied Mussolini and
Franco with arms ? Who blitzed London ?
> Even if every last death in WWII was "all Germany's fault,"
MS :Which ever deaths were not the fault of Russia or Japan were the
fault of Germany . Unlike the Italians and other nations, Germany never
had an active resistance movement and remained loyal to Hitler for a
long time. Germany never experienced civil war within WWII, and for this
it deserved a punishment far harsher than what it got. If I was in
Eisenhower's place I would have instituted the Kaufman and Morgenthau
plans and gone along with the French desire to follow a policy in the
Saar similar to that followed by Franco in Cataluña or in the USA after
WWI : restriction of the German language and culture with the aim of
making them into Frenchmen.
> egalitarians (like yourself) are responsible for more millions of
> deaths than any other ideology. Communist butchers in China and USSR
> killed well over 100 million people, easy.
MS :And how is this an indictment of non-communists ? The Chinese
slaughter had its roots deep in Chinese history. Mao owed at least as
much to Mo Tzu and the kings Shih Huang Ti and Wu-tsung, as to Karl
Marx. OTOH Hitler was a product of Western culture and should have known
better. That's why we are deservedly harsher on Hitler.
> Brian Smith
> Western Imperative Network (WIN)
>
> * * * Educational Sites of Interest * * *
>
> 1) White Renewal
>
> a) The Library of Yggdrasil
> http://www.members.aol.com/luzdedos
>
> b) Whites: Wake Up or Die.
MS : Look who's talking
>
> c) Stormfront
They call it stormfront but in reality they're storming the rear-
male of course.
>
> 2) Revisionism
>
> a) The Zundelsite
> http://www.webcom.com/%7Eezundel/nahuatl/ahuacan.htm
>
> b) Committee for Open Debate On the Holocaust (CODOH)
The Moslem Holocaust perhaps ? Is this indeed Serdar Argic's terrorism
and revisionism triangle and dog training camp ? What is your position
on the 2.5 million Moslems anyway ? >
> c) Greg Raven's IHR Website
MS : Why all the focus on Jews ? My dad was no angel but I still have
no harsh feelings towards his people as a whole. Just because your dad
was the same way doesn't mean that you have to turn towards a mirror
image based on talmudic principles. Why not just reject those principles
and the hatred within ?
>
> d) Air Photo Evidence Shatters "Gas Chamber" Myth
MS :In San Quentin.
>
> 3) Jewish Media Control
You claim that Ashkenazites " are part mongoloid " but if such how would
they ever be able to control so much ? Your whole organisation is
utterly opposed to reason and logic, fitting in with your savage
ancestors who were no more advanced than Xhosas and Bahutus.
>
> 4) The Immigration Disaster
> http://www.instanet.com/~vct/
>
> 5) U.S. Massively Funds Israeli Terrorism
Why not try for a more original target ? Scandinavians tend to be quite
liberal. Why not go after them ?
>
>
Michael Snider
Brian Smith wrote:
>
> Michael Snider <sanl...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >> >> Patriot Fact Sheet
>
> >MS : Patriot in which country ? The world ? You never specified this. As
> >far as I know you could be talking about Zimbabwean patriotism.
>
MS: From context it appears to be German " patriotism ".
> You like to play games don't you, Mike.
MS : No, I just like to get to the root of things. Radical means
getting to the root.
> > Communism remains the single most
> >> >> destructive and murderous political system ever created.
>
> >MS :Given as Nazi Germany is included among the carnage of Marxian
> >inspired governments. Ever read Camus' THE REBEL ?
>
> The raison d'tre of Nationalism Socialism was to oppose Marxism.
> National Socialism was Marxism's greatest foe. The two ideologies may
> have surface similitarities, but they are fundamentally opposed: the
> basic tenet of Marxism, equality, is the opposite of National
> Socialism. You're striking out, Mike.
>
MS: Not according to much of the Nazis' own rhetoric themselves.
Why the term " socialism "? Why a collectivist state ? What you
are saying certainly fits some forms of fascism, specifically the
variety in General Franco's Spain or Admiral Horthy's Hungary, but not
Nazi Germany which was a collectivist socialist state which drew
from Marx although opposed to Lenin. It drew far more from Marx, a
self-hating Jew,than it drew from Nietzche, a Judaeophile.
> >> That's right: blame Germany for everything that happened in WWII.
> >> What crap.
>
> >MS :Why is it crap ? Who invaded France ? Who declared the elimination
> >of Jews from Europe as a goal ? Who declared a need for more lebensraum
> >in Czechoslovakia ? Who bombed Guernica ? Who supplied Mussolini and
> >Franco with arms ? Who blitzed London ?
>
> France and England declared war on Germany first. Roosevelt was
> attacking and sinking German vessels on the high seas in 1939 ---
> trying to provoke war, but Germany wouldn't take the bait.
>
> Who deliberately bombed open civilian centers first? (the Allies).
> Who fire-bombed civilian targets like Hamburg and Dresden to kill as
> many unarmed men, women, and children as possible?
MS :What about the Warsaw ghetto ? Why couldn't the Jews have been left
alone as Mussolini was willing to do before Hitler ordered him and
Petain to do otherwise ? And as I stated, to the Germans' discredit
they never rose up in mass civil war during the course of WWII : that is
the reason for Dresden. Germany never even had a small resistance like
that of France, let alone on the scale of Italy or Yugoslavia. The
German people remained loyal to Hitler and they paid insufficiently.
Who starved over a
> million servicemen in prison camps -after- the war was over? (The
> Allies). Who was responsible for the greatest mass rape of women in
> history? (The Allies).
MS : Knowing the ideology of Nazi Germany, the Allies would have been
justified to free every nonwhite sex criminal in the USA and British
Empire with the condition of being free to have their will with German
women, to prevent any racial purity in Germany to ever exist again. This
would have been just. The Allies did nothing to alter the German
illusion of racial purity, while they easily could have. It was the USA
who were especially soft on Germany. If Churchill, one of the great
heroes of the twentieth century, had his way, the Morgenthau plan would
have gone into effect. Germany by all rights should have paid a heavy
price. If I'd been Ike than Germany today would be a mestizo nation.
> Truth be known, the Allies committed more atrocities than the Germans.
> That you would blame everything that happened in WWII on Germany,
> scapegoat-style, just shows the absurd bias of your views.
MS : If the Germans had never yammered about racial purity than none of
this would have happened.
>
> >> egalitarians (like yourself) are responsible for more millions of
> >> deaths than any other ideology. Communist butchers in China and USSR
> >> killed well over 100 million people, easy.
>
> >MS :And how is this an indictment of non-communists ? The Chinese
> >slaughter had its roots deep in Chinese history. Mao owed at least as
> >much to Mo Tzu and the kings Shih Huang Ti and Wu-tsung, as to Karl
> >Marx. OTOH Hitler was a product of Western culture and should have known
> >better. That's why we are deservedly harsher on Hitler.
>
> The same excuses could be made for Hitler then: WWII had its roots in
> a long history of European conflict. The Versailles Treaty imposed
> after WWI was ridiculously unfair to Germany.
MS : I wouldn't say ridiculously unfair.
It could be the
> reacquisition of lands by Germany more to do with nationalism than any
> ideology or leader. These sorts of real estate exchanges have always
> been occurring throughout Europe's history, and many European
> countries have engaged in it. The Polish corridor could have been
> resolved as a border dispute, but the Allies blew it up into a massive
> conflagration.
>
MS : Than why did the Jews have to be targeted ? Of course in reality
the Russians targeted the Jews as well just like Hitler did, so that
puts the big lie to your claims of Jews profiting from communism.
> Your cheap bias shows through again, Mikie.
>
> Brian Smith
> Western Imperative Network (WIN)
Ken P.
In article <347641...@earthlink.net>, sanl...@earthlink.net says...
I read this article by Michael Snider and my mind reeled with rebuttals
to his nonsense about the Allies supposed softness towards conquered
Germany. But I think it would be more significant to quote the following
excerpt so that readers may contemplate Mr. Snider's character.
> MS : Knowing the ideology of Nazi Germany, the Allies would have been
> justified to free every nonwhite sex criminal in the USA and British
> Empire with the condition of being free to have their will with German
> women, to prevent any racial purity in Germany to ever exist again. This
> would have been just. The Allies did nothing to alter the German
> illusion of racial purity, while they easily could have. It was the USA
> who were especially soft on Germany. If Churchill, one of the great
> heroes of the twentieth century, had his way, the Morgenthau plan would
> have gone into effect. Germany by all rights should have paid a heavy
> price. If I'd been Ike than Germany today would be a mestizo nation.
Question authority,
Ken P.
Brian Smith
Michael Snider <sanl...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> >> Patriot Fact Sheet
>MS : Patriot in which country ? The world ? You never specified this. As
>far as I know you could be talking about Zimbabwean patriotism.
You should be able to figure that out from context.
You like to play games don't you, Mike.
> Communism remains the single most
>> >> destructive and murderous political system ever created.
>MS :Given as Nazi Germany is included among the carnage of Marxian
>inspired governments. Ever read Camus' THE REBEL ?
The raison d'tre of Nationalism Socialism was to oppose Marxism.
National Socialism was Marxism's greatest foe. The two ideologies may
have surface similitarities, but they are fundamentally opposed: the
basic tenet of Marxism, equality, is the opposite of National
Socialism. You're striking out, Mike.
>> That's right: blame Germany for everything that happened in WWII.
>> What crap.
>MS :Why is it crap ? Who invaded France ? Who declared the elimination
>of Jews from Europe as a goal ? Who declared a need for more lebensraum
>in Czechoslovakia ? Who bombed Guernica ? Who supplied Mussolini and
>Franco with arms ? Who blitzed London ?
France and England declared war on Germany first. Roosevelt was
attacking and sinking German vessels on the high seas in 1939 ---
trying to provoke war, but Germany wouldn't take the bait.
Who deliberately bombed open civilian centers first? (the Allies).
Who fire-bombed civilian targets like Hamburg and Dresden to kill as
many unarmed men, women, and children as possible? Who starved over a
million servicemen in prison camps -after- the war was over? (The
Allies). Who was responsible for the greatest mass rape of women in
history? (The Allies).
Truth be known, the Allies committed more atrocities than the Germans.
That you would blame everything that happened in WWII on Germany,
scapegoat-style, just shows the absurd bias of your views.
>> egalitarians (like yourself) are responsible for more millions of
>> deaths than any other ideology. Communist butchers in China and USSR
>> killed well over 100 million people, easy.
>MS :And how is this an indictment of non-communists ? The Chinese
>slaughter had its roots deep in Chinese history. Mao owed at least as
>much to Mo Tzu and the kings Shih Huang Ti and Wu-tsung, as to Karl
>Marx. OTOH Hitler was a product of Western culture and should have known
>better. That's why we are deservedly harsher on Hitler.
The same excuses could be made for Hitler then: WWII had its roots in
a long history of European conflict. The Versailles Treaty imposed
after WWI was ridiculously unfair to Germany. It could be the
reacquisition of lands by Germany more to do with nationalism than any
ideology or leader. These sorts of real estate exchanges have always
been occurring throughout Europe's history, and many European
countries have engaged in it. The Polish corridor could have been
resolved as a border dispute, but the Allies blew it up into a massive
conflagration.
Your cheap bias shows through again, Mikie.
Brian Smith
Western Imperative Network (WIN)
http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
* * * Educational Sites of Interest * * *
1) White Renewal
a) The Library of Yggdrasil
b) Whites: Wake Up or Die.
c) Stormfront
http://www.stormfront.org/
2) Revisionism
a) The Zundelsite
http://www.webcom.com/%7Eezundel/english/welcome.html
b) Committee for Open Debate On the Holocaust (CODOH)
c) Greg Raven's IHR Website
http://www.kaiwan.com/%7Eihrgreg/
d) Air Photo Evidence Shatters "Gas Chamber" Myth
3) Jewish Media Control
http://www.natall.com/WHORULES/WHORULES.HTML
4) The Immigration Disaster
http://www.instanet.com/~vct/
5) U.S. Massively Funds Israeli Terrorism
Robert McCallum
On Sat, 22 Nov 1997 01:16:57 GMT, sbr...@micron.net (Brian Smith)
wrote:
>Who deliberately bombed open civilian centers first? (the Allies).
>Who fire-bombed civilian targets like Hamburg and Dresden to kill as
>many unarmed men, women, and children as possible? Who starved over a
>million servicemen in prison camps -after- the war was over? (The
>Allies). Who was responsible for the greatest mass rape of women in
>history? (The Allies).
>
LOL. Why don't you get the hell out of this country? By the way,
they nailed one of your bastard buddies in Denver!
pbi...@jps.net
In article <64vmtt$2fi$1...@news.trends.ca>,
kmc...@nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
> Ask him about William Scott - that's the name his ISP knew him by,
> last time I did a finger... yessir - there's a boy who really lacks
> the courage of his convictions :-)
Thank you "Kenneth McVay, 'Oh Mighty OBC.' "
How would be know that most people involved in usenet discussions use
nicknames, or "handles" if it were not for you to tell us? :)
While I might not always disagree with "Ian McKinney"s" views, I do find
that his arguments are well written, and that he avoids wallowing in
mud-slinging and charactor assassination that you seem to enjoy.
Those who post "politically incorrect" views under their real names can
also face loss of employment.
You know that, as you maintain your own on-line blacklist for employers
who care about political correctness to do their own background checks.
(assuming they are too stupid to use Dejanews)
People often do tend to get a lot more politically incorrect when they
can do so anonymously.
I remember here in Calif, many people felt intimidated about publicly
speak out against affirmative action. Many felt really intimidated by
the "diversity trainers" who subjected us to all day harrangues in favor
of affirmative action and political correctness that our employers forced
us to attend.
Well, when people could speak out anonymously at the ballot box, all of a
sudden affirmative action wasn't as fashionable as we were told it was!
Regards,
PB
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Thomas Mohr
On Thu, 20 Nov 1997 17:16:11 -0800, Michael Snider
<sanl...@earthlink.net> wrote:
< snip >
>MS :Which ever deaths were not the fault of Russia or Japan were the
>fault of Germany . Unlike the Italians and other nations, Germany never
>had an active resistance movement and remained loyal to Hitler for a
>long time.
That is not totally true. Just to mention the attempt of Stauffenberg
and his group to kill Hitler on 20th April 1944, the Scholl Siblings,
The group around Biedermann, Huth and Raschke in Vienna, various
catholic circles and the group "O5" in Austria which managed to free
Innbruck a week BEFORE the Americans arrived.
>Germany never experienced civil war within WWII, and for this
>it deserved a punishment far harsher than what it got.
A civil war ? How ? With all the men at the front and the Nazis in the
country ?
>If I was in
>Eisenhower's place I would have instituted the Kaufman and Morgenthau
>plans and gone along with the French desire to follow a policy in the
>Saar similar to that followed by Franco in Cataluña or in the USA after
>WWI : restriction of the German language and culture with the aim of
>making them into Frenchmen.
I think to institute the Morgethau plan would have been very stupid.
The result would have been far more desastrous. It would be a question
if Europe today would be as prosperous as it is now, with a strong
axis Berlin-Paris. After WWI the allies did in fact put harsh
conditions on Germany .. The direct result was Hitler.
Brian Smith
Michael Snider <sanl...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Brian Smith wrote:
>>
>> Michael Snider <sanl...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> >> >> Patriot Fact Sheet
>> >MS : Patriot in which country ? The world ? You never specified this. As
>> >far as I know you could be talking about Zimbabwean patriotism.
>>
>> You should be able to figure that out from context.
>MS: From context it appears to be German " patriotism ".
Well, you suddenly managed to figure on your own that it wasn't
Zimbabwean patriotism. How'd that happen? Amazing, and congrats.
>> The raison d'tre of Nationalism Socialism was to oppose Marxism.
>> National Socialism was Marxism's greatest foe. The two ideologies may
>> have surface similitarities, but they are fundamentally opposed: the
>> basic tenet of Marxism, equality, is the opposite of National
>> Socialism. You're striking out, Mike.
>MS: Not according to much of the Nazis' own rhetoric themselves.
>Why the term " socialism "? Why a collectivist state ?
Collectivism fit the goals of the National Socialism at the time.
Germany had just recovered from an economic disaster, and high levels
unity and government regulation were desirable to oppose communism and
rebuild the nation. But those goals weren't Marxist goals. The goals
of national socialism were entirely the opposite.
Unlike the Marxist leaders, Hitler was immensely popular, probably the
most popular leader ever in Germany's history. Also, unlike Marxists
leaders, Hitler didn't confiscate guns, but actually relaxed the gun
laws, i.e., he didn't need to fear his own citizenry. The people
loved him.
Collectivism isn't inherently bad or good, it's a fact of life. A
form of collectivism promoted by every form of government, including
this one. It depends on how the government defines the collective.
> Who deliberately bombed open civilian centers first? (the Allies).
>> Who fire-bombed civilian targets like Hamburg and Dresden to kill as
>> many unarmed men, women, and children as possible?
>MS :What about the Warsaw ghetto ? Why couldn't the Jews have been left
>alone as Mussolini was willing to do before Hitler ordered him and
>Petain to do otherwise ? And as I stated, to the Germans' discredit
>they never rose up in mass civil war during the course of WWII : that is
>the reason for Dresden. Germany never even had a small resistance like
>that of France, let alone on the scale of Italy or Yugoslavia. The
>German people remained loyal to Hitler and they paid insufficiently.
The point is that atrocities were committed on both sides. If any are
justified, all are justified. If you justify atrocities like Dresden,
(firebombing to death civilians) just to try to legitimize Allied
butchery, then =any= atrocities committed against Jews (i.e., any that
really happened, and weren't fabricated) were justified as well.
Have it your way, Mike.
>MS : Knowing the ideology of Nazi Germany, the Allies would have been
>justified to free every nonwhite sex criminal in the USA and British
>Empire with the condition of being free to have their will with German
>women, to prevent any racial purity in Germany to ever exist again. This
>would have been just.
Here you are justifying mass rape against civilian women, just to "get
back" and inflict more harm to the Germans. Talk about "hate." What
a hypocrite.
>MS : If the Germans had never yammered about racial purity than none of
>this would have happened.
Fine. Then by your logic, if the Versailles treaty had been fair,
none of this would have happened. You can keep backing up the
causation all day, and your simplistic "blame Germany for everything"
theory still won't hold water.
Your ludicrous attempt to blame Germany for everything as well as
justifying atrocities and rape of German civilians speaks volumes for
you, Mike. You've already undercut any moral high ground you could
ever claim to possess. That's fine with me. Just don't complain
about German atrocities when you fully justify the mass rape of women.
Hypocrite.
According to your logic, even had the holocaust happened in every last
exaggerated detail, it would have been justified since Jews had
declared war on Germany in 1934, long before any world war ever
occurred. Again, have it your way Mike.
>> The same excuses could be made for Hitler then: WWII had its roots in
>> a long history of European conflict. The Versailles Treaty imposed
>> after WWI was ridiculously unfair to Germany.
>MS : I wouldn't say ridiculously unfair.
I would. Even historians hostile to Hitler admit that Versailles
treaty was nothing less than draconian, splitting up Germany the way
it did, and "blaming" Germany for everything, (the way you love to
do), it just set the stage for an inevitable war.
>MS : Than why did the Jews have to be targeted ?
The Jews and their behavior as a group were intrinsically at odds with
a strong nationalist Germany. Jews only care about themselves as a
group, and seek to use and manipulate other countries and governments
for their own interests, through media, financial, and political
control and deception. They have a historical record of doing so.
However, Germany 's plan for the Jews was deportation, not
"extermination," which brings up back to the holocaust debate, and
what really happened.
>Of course in reality
>the Russians targeted the Jews as well just like Hitler did, so that
>puts the big lie to your claims of Jews profiting from communism.
Actually no. Stalin targetted everybody, as he was a paranoid maniac.
To the contrary, Stalin made anti-semitism an offense punished by the
death penalty. (you want to call me on this?) It is true that a
large number of Jews were purged, but only because Stalin purged the
higher ranks and, not surprisingly, Jews were thick in the higher
ranks of the communist party. But thousands of non-Jews were purged
as well.
Brian Smith
Western Imperative Network (WIN)
Ian McKinney
Michael Snider wrote:
> MS: Not according to much of the Nazis' own rhetoric themselves.
> Why the term " socialism "? Why a collectivist state ?
Not in the same sense as Marxism. In order to get an accurate
understanding English translation of what the term "National Socialism"
really meant, reverse the two words to "Social Nationalism". In other
words, social, ie. racial, nationalism. In Marxism the "socialism" part
ostensibly referred only to money and property. The 'social" in National
Socialism refers to race, or nationalism of race. Big difference between
that and the counterfeit version of socialism found in Marxism.
You could also refer to National Socialism as "Natural" Socialism. Again
the emphasis is on racial or blood-based tribalism and not economics but
like the biological ties which bound the first human societies. The
linking of any form of racial or social nationalism with "socialism" is
a deliberate propaganda ploy so people will confuse it with the Jew's
evil spawn, Marxism.
> What you
> are saying certainly fits some forms of fascism, specifically the
> variety in General Franco's Spain or Admiral Horthy's Hungary, but not
> Nazi Germany which was a collectivist socialist state which drew
> from Marx although opposed to Lenin.
It may have been collectivist in a social sense, but there was no
demanding that economics be determined by the Marxist model of "to each
according to his needs and from each according to his ability." All
forms of racialism recognize the inequal distribution of abilities.
> It drew far more from Marx, a
> self-hating Jew,than it drew from Nietzche, a Judaeophile.
Look at this. A liberal lecturing us about racial political theory! Let
me take some notes.
> > >> That's right: blame Germany for everything that happened in WWII.
> > >> What crap.
> >
> > >MS :Why is it crap ? Who invaded France ? Who declared the elimination
> > >of Jews from Europe as a goal ? Who declared a need for more lebensraum
> > >in Czechoslovakia ? Who bombed Guernica ? Who supplied Mussolini and
> > >Franco with arms ? Who blitzed London ?
> >
> > France and England declared war on Germany first. Roosevelt was
> > attacking and sinking German vessels on the high seas in 1939 ---
> > trying to provoke war, but Germany wouldn't take the bait.
> >
> > Who deliberately bombed open civilian centers first? (the Allies).
> > Who fire-bombed civilian targets like Hamburg and Dresden to kill as
> > many unarmed men, women, and children as possible?
>
> MS :What about the Warsaw ghetto ? Why couldn't the Jews have been left
> alone as Mussolini was willing to do before Hitler ordered him and
> Petain to do otherwise ?
That's got nothing to do with anything.
Besides, everything always begins with what Germany did to the Jews. How
about what the Jews had been doing to Germany? Nobody ever wants to
discuss what precipitated a whole nation's hostility to the Jews. The
Jews had fouled their nest in Germany just like they have done forever.
That's why their history is little more than one continuous series of
expulsions from other people's countries.
> Who starved over a
> > million servicemen in prison camps -after- the war was over? (The
> > Allies). Who was responsible for the greatest mass rape of women in
> > history? (The Allies).
>
> MS : Knowing the ideology of Nazi Germany, the Allies would have been
> justified to free every nonwhite sex criminal in the USA and British
> Empire with the condition of being free to have their will with German
> women, to prevent any racial purity in Germany to ever exist again.
Sounds very familiar with what the Jews want to happen in America. May
you rot in hell, asshole.
> This
> would have been just. The Allies did nothing to alter the German
> illusion of racial purity, while they easily could have.
The was no "pure German race." Germany was made-up of several different
White racial sub-groups.
> It was the USA
> who were especially soft on Germany.
Sure, with Jews surrounding Roosevelt? Yeah right.
> If I'd been Ike than Germany today would be a mestizo nation.
You're a sick bastard.
> MS : Than why did the Jews have to be targeted ? Of course in reality
> the Russians targeted the Jews as well just like Hitler did, so that
> puts the big lie to your claims of Jews profiting from communism.
Whether they profitted may be somewhat in dispute. Whether they
originated amd promoted it is not in dispute. The facts are overwhelming
as evidenced by the documentation I've posted to this newsgroup at least
twice.
Michael Snider
Ian McKinney wrote:
>
> Michael Snider wrote:
>
> > MS: Not according to much of the Nazis' own rhetoric themselves.
> > Why the term " socialism "? Why a collectivist state ?
>
> Not in the same sense as Marxism. In order to get an accurate
> understanding English translation of what the term "National Socialism"
> really meant, reverse the two words to "Social Nationalism". In other
> words, social, ie. racial, nationalism. In Marxism the "socialism" part
> ostensibly referred only to money and property. The 'social" in National
> Socialism refers to race, or nationalism of race. Big difference between
> that and the counterfeit version of socialism found in Marxism.
>
> You could also refer to National Socialism as "Natural" Socialism. Again
> the emphasis is on racial or blood-based tribalism and not economics but
> like the biological ties which bound the first human societies. The
> linking of any form of racial or social nationalism with "socialism" is
> a deliberate propaganda ploy so people will confuse it with the Jew's
> evil spawn, Marxism.
socialism was deliberate, as both were products of Marx. The Nazis were
competing for the same target audience as the Communists. By linking
National Socialism to Leninism Nazism widened its audience.
> > are saying certainly fits some forms of fascism, specifically the
> > variety in General Franco's Spain or Admiral Horthy's Hungary, but not
> > Nazi Germany which was a collectivist socialist state which drew
> > from Marx although opposed to Lenin.
>
> It may have been collectivist in a social sense, but there was no
> demanding that economics be determined by the Marxist model of "to each
> according to his needs and from each according to his ability."
seen so called white nationalists boasting about the egalitarian
properties of their system.
> forms of racialism recognize the inequal distribution of abilities.
experiment that took place in Barcelona in 1936-37.
> > It drew far more from Marx, a
> > self-hating Jew,than it drew from Nietzche, a Judaeophile.
>
> Look at this. A liberal lecturing us about racial political theory! Let
> me take some notes.
one of the leading Judaeophiles in the history of European thought.
Anyway this subject is irrelevant.
> > > >> What crap.
> > >
> > > >MS :Why is it crap ? Who invaded France ? Who declared the elimination
> > > >of Jews from Europe as a goal ? Who declared a need for more lebensraum
> > > >in Czechoslovakia ? Who bombed Guernica ? Who supplied Mussolini and
> > > >Franco with arms ? Who blitzed London ?
> > >
> > > France and England declared war on Germany first. Roosevelt was
> > > attacking and sinking German vessels on the high seas in 1939 ---
> > > trying to provoke war, but Germany wouldn't take the bait.
> > >
> > > Who deliberately bombed open civilian centers first? (the Allies).
> > > Who fire-bombed civilian targets like Hamburg and Dresden to kill as
> > > many unarmed men, women, and children as possible?
> >
> > MS :What about the Warsaw ghetto ? Why couldn't the Jews have been left
> > alone as Mussolini was willing to do before Hitler ordered him and
> > Petain to do otherwise ?
>
> That's got nothing to do with anything.
>
> Besides, everything always begins with what Germany did to the Jews.
subservient to Hitler. Even then he was less enthusiastic in his
collaboration than Petain or Antonescu. Franco spewed out plenty of
rhetoric against the Jews, restricted the religion's practice,and
ordered that Jewish children go to Catholic schools, but did nothing
else. Fascism did not necessitate anti-semitism.
> about what the Jews had been doing to Germany? Nobody ever wants to
> discuss what precipitated a whole nation's hostility to the Jews.
accepted the Catholic faith ?
> Jews had fouled their nest in Germany just like they have done forever.
> That's why their history is little more than one continuous series of
> expulsions from other people's countries.
and wholesale massacres regardless of religious belief. The Spanish
inquisition and other antisemitic activity prior to Nazi Germany offered
Jews a chance to avoid expulsion by conversion to Catholicism. The Nazis
did not offer the Jews this choice. If they had merely expelled Jews and
others who would not convert to Catholicism, and offered the Jews this
opportunity, than it would be a whole different story. However the Nazis
offered no chance for the individual to act in ways conforming to the
interests of the church and the state. They did not care if the Jews
became Catholics. Even the Turks in World War I offered Armenians
immunity from genocide if they converted to Islam. Its one thing to not
like Judaism, another thing to take it out on innocent people regardless
of the faith that they practice.
> > > million servicemen in prison camps -after- the war was over? (The
> > > Allies). Who was responsible for the greatest mass rape of women in
> > > history? (The Allies).
> >
> > MS : Knowing the ideology of Nazi Germany, the Allies would have been
> > justified to free every nonwhite sex criminal in the USA and British
> > Empire with the condition of being free to have their will with German
> > women, to prevent any racial purity in Germany to ever exist again.
>
> Sounds very familiar with what the Jews want to happen in America. May
> you rot in hell, asshole.
have been within the realm of reason if carried out. Certainly it was
mild compared to what the Germans would have had in store for those
people who they accused of being Jews regardless of their actual faith.
Anyway I wouldn't be let into hell as it maintains a policy of not
accepting those who are mixed just like your organisation.It is run
along talmudic lines again just like your organisation.
> > would have been just. The Allies did nothing to alter the German
> > illusion of racial purity, while they easily could have.
>
> The was no "pure German race." Germany was made-up of several different
> White racial sub-groups.
> > who were especially soft on Germany.
>
> Sure, with Jews surrounding Roosevelt? Yeah right.
who nixed the French plan to do to their zone of occupation in Germany
what Gen.Franco did in Catalonia - i.e. restrict German culture so as to
make the Germans into Frenchmen. Just check out your Zundel buddies'
site some time. The USA were far softer on Germany than they should have
been. Denazification was insufficient in both east and west. If it was
sufficient you guys would be idolizing Mao tse Tung instead of Hitler.
> > If I'd been Ike than Germany today would be a mestizo nation.
>
> You're a sick bastard.
the realm of justice...
> > MS : Than why did the Jews have to be targeted ? Of course in reality
> > the Russians targeted the Jews as well just like Hitler did, so that
> > puts the big lie to your claims of Jews profiting from communism.
>
> Whether they profitted may be somewhat in dispute. Whether they
> originated amd promoted it is not in dispute. The facts are overwhelming
> as evidenced by the documentation I've posted to this newsgroup at least
> twice.
Repetition makes up for facts.
> Regards,
> Ian McKinney
> Western Imperative Network
> Rep. David Duke
> http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Set/5814/AlejandraG.html
Ale relates far more to the ideal of
humanity at its best far more than David Puke.
>
> Ernst Zundel-Free Speech Advocate
> http://www.webcom.com/~zundel/english/
If you had checked out this site than you would have known that it
was the USA who were excessively soft on Germany.
>
> Heritage Front-Internet Broadcasts
> http://alpha.ftcnet.com/~slavery/
WHose heritage ?
Michael Snider
Thomas Mohr wrote:
>
> On Thu, 20 Nov 1997 17:16:11 -0800, Michael Snider
> <sanl...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> < snip >
>
> >MS :Which ever deaths were not the fault of Russia or Japan were the
> >fault of Germany . Unlike the Italians and other nations, Germany never
> >had an active resistance movement and remained loyal to Hitler for a
> >long time.
>
> That is not totally true. Just to mention the attempt of Stauffenberg
> and his group to kill Hitler on 20th April 1944, the Scholl Siblings,
> The group around Biedermann, Huth and Raschke in Vienna, various
> catholic circles and the group "O5" in Austria which managed to free
> Innbruck a week BEFORE the Americans arrived.
less of a resistance than France , much less. And France was pathetic in
comparison to Italy and Yugoslavia.
> >it deserved a punishment far harsher than what it got.
>
> A civil war ? How ? With all the men at the front and the Nazis in the
> country ?
having a civil war. The Italians revolted at the front and mutinied, so
did the Russians in WWI.
> >Eisenhower's place I would have instituted the Kaufman and Morgenthau
> >plans and gone along with the French desire to follow a policy in the
> >Saar similar to that followed by Franco in Cataluña or in the USA after
> >WWI : restriction of the German language and culture with the aim of
> >making them into Frenchmen.
>
> I think to institute the Morgethau plan would have been very stupid.
> The result would have been far more desastrous. It would be a question
> if Europe today would be as prosperous as it is now, with a strong
> axis Berlin-Paris. After WWI the allies did in fact put harsh
> conditions on Germany .. The direct result was Hitler.
is inoculated more or less against Nazism. Unfortunately the USA which
was fortunate enough not to know dictatorship, is not.
pbi...@jps.net
In article <3474E0...@earthlink.net>,
>
> : The Jews and Bolshevism
> > >> By Ian McKinney
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> One of the most hushed-up facts concerning the so-called "Russian
> > >> Revolution" of 1917 is that Jews constituted the overwhelming majority
> > >> of the Bolshevik leadership.
>
> MS : No way. In Russia ? This would be like saying the major bulk of the
> Aztecs were Moslems because Cortes referred to the Aztec temples as
> mosques in his diaries.
That dog just don't hunt.
The Bolshevicks were a small minority in Russia when they took over, yet
a small well organized minority can do just that under the right
situation.
Maybe the politically correct public educational system, or the mass
media didn't teach you this facet of Cortez's conquest of the Aztecs. He
organized other Indians to support him. They got tired of being
sacrificed by the Aztecs.
> MS : By the same token that National Socialism was also Jewish created
> and lead.
That dog don't hunt either. I'm no Nazi but...
In German the word "National-Sozialismus" would be translated as "Social
Nationalism." The same as if I said "Una pelona blanca" in Spanish, it
would mean "One white dove," not "One dove white." (my apology too Slim
Whitman if I misspelled "pelona.)
These dogs don't hunt either!
> Who invaded France ?
France and England declared war on Germany after hostilities broke out
between Germany and Poland. They English and French did nothing to
defend Poland. If they were so intent on the defense of Poland, why
didn't they declare war on the USSR, as Stalin invaded Poland at the same
time?
>Who declared the elimination of Jews from Europe as a goal ?
Hitler did support removing Jews from Europe. So did the Zionists. They
believed the Jewish population of Europe should have been relocated to
Palestine.
>Who declared a need for more lebensraum in Czechoslovakia ?
Who declared that "The sun shall never set on the British Empire?"
> Who bombed Guernica ? Who supplied Mussolini and
> Franco with arms ?
Who supplied the Communists in the Spanish Civil War with troops and arms?
> Who blitzed London ?
What about Dresdin?
> MS :Which ever deaths were not the fault of Russia or Japan were the
> fault of Germany . Unlike the Italians and other nations, Germany never
> had an active resistance movement and remained loyal to Hitler for a
> long time. Germany never experienced civil war within WWII, and for this
> it deserved a punishment far harsher than what it got.
I suppose you would have expected them to support the Soviet invasion of
their nation?
The United Nations (the word "allies wasn't used much untill after the
war) pushed the Morgenthaeu Plan. The deliberate death of millions
through starvation, as the "Soviet Allies" had done in the Ukraine.
> If I was in Eisenhower's place I would have instituted the Kaufman and >Morgenthau plans and gone along with the French desire to follow a policy in >the Saar similar to that followed by Franco in Cataluña or in the USA after
>WWI : restriction of the German language and culture with the aim of
>making them into Frenchmen.
You "would have" favored killing millions?
I wonder about this idea of "restriction of the German language and
culture with the aim of making them Frenchmen."
Would you also favor the idea of restriction of the English language and
American culture and making us Americans into Mexicans, Cambodians, or
something like that?
That's exactly what Clinton wants to do, and said so when he was in
Hawaii, and praised that state for being the first to have no ethnic
majority, and no dominant culture.
Is that what you want?
hmur...@inreach.com
In article <347641...@earthlink.net>,
sanl...@earthlink.net wrote:
> MS : Knowing the ideology of Nazi Germany, the Allies would have been
> justified to free every nonwhite sex criminal in the USA and British
> Empire with the condition of being free to have their will with German
> women
Given the policies the liberals have implemented here in the US, such as
the lack of punishment for rapists and child molesters, and unlimited
third world immigration, both legal and illegal, it seems like you are
getting what you want here in the USA, in order to punish us white
Americans, because of our alleged past sins, and for our ideology.
> The Allies did nothing to alter the German illusion of racial purity, while
>they easily could have.
This word "Allies" was made up after the war. Why is it that most films
I've seen that were made during the war refered to the
Ango-Soviet-American (and others) alliance as the "United Nations?"
> If I'd been Ike than Germany today would be a mestizo nation.
But why is it that you wish to make America a mestizo nation?
While you reject the Jewish heritage of your father, and are brave and
honest to admit that his belief in the Talmud resulted in his
mistreatment of you and your mother, when you say that you would wish to
make Germany a "mestizo nation," this is exactly what you are embracing.
For example when you try to confuse people who might look for the Western
Imperative Alliance website at http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm
with:
Now I will admit this hispanic lady is quite good looking, and have never
heard her music, but will concede she may be quite talented.
But if you wish to be a "hispanic" why not cross the border into Mexico,
and demand your welfare, your affirmative action, your free medical care,
and everything that the advocates of illegal immigration demand we
provide ?
Your idea of making Germany a "mestizo nation" shows that you may have
inhierited more from your Jewish father than you would have us believe.
Regards,
HM
Thomas Mohr
>> In German the word "National-Sozialismus" would be translated as "Social
>> Nationalism."
>No - Socialist Nationalism.
You're both wrong. I'm a native speaker of German, and speak English
quite well British relatives, 4 longer vacations in the UK, 9 years
English in highschool). So here's the translation:
"National-Sozialismus" translates into English as "National-Socialism"
"Social-Nationalism" would be "Sozialer Nationalismus" in German
"Socialist Nationalism" would be "Sozialistischer Nationalismus"
Since German is a very exact language, all three mean different
things.
The German word "National Sozailismus" describes a philosophy which
has many traits of socialism, but restricted to a nation, thath can be
a country, but also a group of people who are connected by common
heritage, and/or language and/or culture.
Thomas
Thomas Mohr
< snip >
>Dresden was merited by the actions of the Germans beforehand. The
>British did NOTHING to merit the blitz of London beforehand. It was in
>the early stages of the war.
BTW, it may sound cynical, but there is a joke about that which
describes the whole thing very well
Wæ„£at is Dresden ? A bombing by Winston Churchill carried out
according to ideas of Adolf Hitler.
Brian Smith
Ian McKinney <i...@usaor.net> wrote:
>Michael Snider wrote:
>> MS : Knowing the ideology of Nazi Germany, the Allies would have been
>> justified to free every nonwhite sex criminal in the USA and British
>> Empire with the condition of being free to have their will with German
>> women, to prevent any racial purity in Germany to ever exist again. This
>>would have been just.
>Sounds very familiar with what the Jews want to happen in America. May
>you rot in hell, asshole.
Seeing Michael Snider's rabid, insane hatred of anything White, it's
easy to understand why the Jewish coalition of Allied countries were
so eager to falsely smear and destroy National Socialist Germany.
It's that sort of hatred which prompted Allied air raids of Dresden
and Hamburg, the carpet bombings of two strategically meaningless
cities inhabited only by women, children, and the convalescent.
Dresden was bombed when WWII was basically over with, resulting in
over 200,000-300,000 unarmed German civilians dead. Hamburg's
casualties were even more. The Allied rape of German women was done
to hundreds of thousands of women. According to Michael, these
actions constituted "justice." (both sic, and sick.)
Although they hide behind hypocritical "anti-hate" rhetoric, Michael
and his ilk are real "haters." Actually, they're some of the most
hateful bastards ever to squat on two legs. Just because some Whites
would prefer to live with other Whites in their own separate space,
and maintain a White identity, Michael Snider wants them destroyed,
firebombed to death, mass-raped, or racially mixed out of existence.
It's genocide of course, and Michael is just another genocidal
liberal. The only difference is Michael is a little more open with
psychopathic exhortations of White genocide.
Then again, Michael Snider is admittedly a half-Jew and said he
resented the fact that his Talmudic, Jewish father criticized him for
his "mischling" status. Therefore his hatred of Whites may stem in
part from his own self-hatred of being half-Jewish, I don't know.
Brian Smith
Western Imperative Network (WIN)
Michael Snider
> > justified
reason to do so given what the Germans were doing and what the Germans
had in store. If the west had thought like the Germans did there would
be no Germans today.
to free every nonwhite sex criminal in the USA and British
> > Empire with the condition of being free to have their will with German
>
> Given the policies the liberals have implemented here in the US, such as
> the lack of punishment for rapists and child molesters
groups would not have any more members.
> third world immigration, both legal and illegal,
> getting what you want here in the USA, in order to punish us white
> Americans, because of our alleged past sins
not the way to go. America went in the wrong direction when it turned
away from Europe.
, and for our ideology.
I never said anything about the USA in this context. In this context the
USA were the good guys.
> >they easily could have.
>
> I've seen that were made during the war refered to the
> Ango-Soviet-American (and others) alliance as the "United Nations?"
> > If I'd been Ike than Germany today would be a mestizo nation.
>
of American culture but I see the problem as being not enough European
influence. Anyway America is far more of a mestizo nation than lets say
Portugal...
> While you reject the Jewish heritage of your father, and are brave and
> honest to admit that his belief in the Talmud resulted in his
> mistreatment of you and your mother, when you say that you would wish to
> make Germany a "mestizo nation," this is exactly what you are embracing.
promotes racism and suprematism. The Talmud advocates rigorous
separation of Jews from non-Jews to keep up " Jewish purity ". It is the
origin of all doctrines of racial purity and thus evil. The Talmud is
the most anti-" race mixing " document ever written. That is my
objection to it. Graeco-Roman and other early European civilisations
held that culture was supreme over race. The Talmud infested western
civilisation with the idea of racial purity.
> Imperative Alliance website at http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm
> with:
>
> > http://www.alejandra.com.mx
> Now I will admit this hispanic lady is quite good looking, and have never
> heard her music, but will concede she may be quite talented.
It was all because you guys wouldn't have me in your organisation -
that's why I turned towards my life of crime and vice...if you'd only
have let me into the Western Imperative Network, than I woulc've turned
towards the straight and narrow...it was you guys who made me a
criminal, honest...but it was you guys who said that you wouldn't have
me and so you guys are to blame. Seriously though since your
organisation has declared me, who thought myself white , to be mixed in
reality, and thus The Enemy, why should I kiss your ass ?
> But if you wish to be a "hispanic" why not cross the border into Mexico,
I did. I lived in Mexico. I went to school there.
> and demand your welfare,
Do I look like I'm a Mexican government official ? That sort of thing in
Mexico is called " political patronage ".
your affirmative action
Only America is stupid enough to have affirmative action.
, your free medical care,
I got it in Germany.
> and everything that the advocates of illegal immigration demand we
> provide ?
Being as those things arent provided for citizens of the USA I think
you're seriously hallucinating. The USA culturally has more in common
with Mexico these days than it does with Europe. Western culture has
been trashed by the liberal PCs and the right wing "patriots ". Having
lived in Mexico and having assimilated there to a great degree I
understand it better than you do. Personally I am quite proud of
speaking four languages and having de-Americanised myself a great deal.
> Your idea of making Germany a "mestizo nation" shows that you may have
> inhierited more from your Jewish father than you would have us believe.
How ? I think the qualities of my father showed more than anything how
German the Ashkenazim really were and are. They are no less " German "
than German Protestants are, both just happen to be minority religions
in Germany...at least until 1933 they were as German as wienerschnitzel.
( My grandmother was a German Jew on my dad's side, and his family that
came from the UK were probably of German origin prior to that as there
was a 200 year period when there were no Jews in Britain ). Anyway I
went a little too far with my joking. What I meant to say was that the
Allies would have been acting within reason if they had destroyed german
racial purity once and for all.This is not the same as advocating it.
Certainly if the Germans had won they would have done worse...
Ian McKinney
Thomas Mohr wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Nov 1997 09:42:41 -0800, Michael Snider
> <sanl...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> Nationalism."
> >No - Socialist Nationalism.
>
> You're both wrong. I'm a native speaker of German, and speak English
> quite well British relatives, 4 longer vacations in the UK, 9 years
> English in highschool). So here's the translation:
> "National-Sozialismus" translates into English as "National-Socialism"
> "Social-Nationalism" would be "Sozialer Nationalismus" in German
> "Socialist Nationalism" would be "Sozialistischer Nationalismus"
> Since German is a very exact language, all three mean different
> things.
Your knowledge of German is not important to the point. I merely
rephrased the term so as to make the ideological essence more
understandable, that's all.
> The German word "National Sozailismus" describes a philosophy which
> has many traits of socialism, but restricted to a nation, thath can be
> a country, but also a group of people who are connected by common
> heritage, and/or language and/or culture.
Thanks for the kindergarten definition of National Socialism (sigh).
The fact is that probably all political systems have SOME socialistic
characteristics, in that there's usually some kind of redistribution of
wealth and government ownership of some things, at the very least. Even
the original Constitutional government of the US collected taxes and
redistributed them in one form or another, but no one classifies it as a
"socialist" government.
Again, the "socialism" in National Socialism has to do with the racial
and biological aspects much more than any economic ones normally
associated with Marxist socialism.
Regards,
Ian
Michael Snider
Brian Smith wrote:
>
> ja...@cheetah.net (Jafo) wrote:
>
> >>Seeing Michael Snider's rabid, insane hatred of anything White
MS : Rabid, insane hatred of anything white ? If this is the case why
did I enjoy my life in Europe so much more than in the racially impure
USA ? Why did I like 95% white Madrid so much better than anywhere in
the USA ? Why have almost all my girlfriends been white, and the
majority of my friends ? Why did I wind up studying Spanish and French
rather than Chinese and Swahili ? Why am I so much in love with western
civilisation ? Why do I look towards ancient Greece and Rome rather than
Han China or Nahua Mexico ? Why do I identify myself as white ? What I
hate is hypocritical bastards who will not accept me as being what I am,
whether those bastards are talmudists or communazis. Granted I'm no fan
of WASP America, but that is not exactly " anything white ".Aren't you
also less than your own standards of purity, Brian ? Doesn't your
background resemble mine only flipped-flopped around ? That would make
you an halachic Jew. Judio.Juif. Giudio. Juic. Jude.
, it's
> >>easy to understand why the Jewish coalition of Allied countries were
> >>so eager to falsely smear and destroy National Socialist Germany.
MS :Because they deserved it !
> >Riiiighttt. Poor misunderstood Nazi Germany. Just a bunch of
> >harmless fun-loving boys out for a good time, right Brian?
>
> Yeah, and Jews never did anything to harm Germany during the 1930's or
> before. Perfect angels. Right.
MS : They deserved it. Germany deserved worse in fact.
> >>It's that sort of hatred which prompted Allied air raids of Dresden
> >>and Hamburg, the carpet bombings of two strategically meaningless
> >>cities inhabited only by women, children, and the convalescent.
> >>Dresden was bombed when WWII was basically over with, resulting in
> >>over 200,000-300,000 unarmed German civilians dead. Hamburg's
> >>casualties were even more.
MS : One could never tell looking at that giant brothel known as Hamburg
these days. Anyway I quite like Hamburg. Its one of my favourite cities
in Deutschland. But those nasty nazis tried to shut down its entire
raison d'etre. I'm sure if they had known what I would have done to
their granddaughters they would have thrown up their hands in defeat and
admitted that their work was useless and gone back to molesting their
daughters who thus became whores and so did their daughters.
The Allied rape of German women was done
> >>to hundreds of thousands of women.
MS : Were they asking for it ?
> >Which "Allies"?
>
> The U.S. supported -all- the Allied countries in world war II.
MS : The US was overtly soft on Germany. Churchill wanted to do worse.
>
> >>According to Michael, these actions constituted "justice." (both sic,
> >>and sick.)
>
> >As is your historical revisionism.
>
> Care to be specific?
>
> >>Although they hide behind hypocritical "anti-hate" rhetoric, Michael
> >>and his ilk are real "haters."
MS : Hate for those who deserve it. I am not a hypocrite about
anti-hate. You can't say that any group is immune from my criticisms.
When Jews merit it, when Hispanics merit it, when blacks or Asians or
Germans or Swedes or French or Indians or Martians merit it, I criticise
them.
Actually, they're some of the most
> >>hateful bastards ever to squat on two legs. Just because some Whites
> >>would prefer to live with other Whites in their own separate space,
> >>and maintain a White identity, Michael Snider wants them destroyed,
> >>firebombed to death, mass-raped, or racially mixed out of existence.
MS : Not true. Those who cross the line of human decency are no longer
deserving of its protections.
> >>It's genocide of course, and Michael is just another genocidal
> >>liberal. The only difference is Michael is a little more open with
> >>psychopathic exhortations of White genocide.
>
> >>Then again, Michael Snider is admittedly a half-Jew and said he
> >>resented the fact that his Talmudic, Jewish father criticized him for
> >>his "mischling" status. Therefore his hatred of Whites may stem in
> >>part from his own self-hatred of being half-Jewish, I don't know.
>
> >Oh, blow it out your ass, Brian; you're as big an overreactor on your
> >side of the issue as Michael is on his. No, worse.
>
> Oh, bullshit. If I had said the same things against Jews which
> Michael Snider advocated against German women ("it would be justiied
> if all Jewish women were raped") you'd be going nuts, accusing me of
> "hate", blah blah blah, you two-faced scumbag.
>
MS : So , what about the blitz of London ? Don't they qualify as white
as well ?
> Brian Smith
> Western Imperative Network (WIN)
Michael Snider
pbi...@jps.net wrote:
>
> In article <3474E0...@earthlink.net>,
> sanl...@earthlink.net wrote:
> >
> > Brian Smith wrote:
> > >
> > > "T.M." <skm...@aol.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >Ian McKinney wrote:
>
> >
> > : The Jews and Bolshevism
> > > >> By Ian McKinney
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> One of the most hushed-up facts concerning the so-called "Russian
> > > >> Revolution" of 1917 is that Jews constituted the overwhelming majority
> > > >> of the Bolshevik leadership.
> >
> > MS : No way. In Russia ? This would be like saying the major bulk of the
> > Aztecs were Moslems because Cortes referred to the Aztec temples as
> > mosques in his diaries.
>
> That dog just don't hunt.
>
> The Bolshevicks were a small minority in Russia when they took over, yet
> a small well organized minority can do just that under the right
> situation.
>
> Maybe the politically correct public educational system, or the mass
> media didn't teach you this facet of Cortez's conquest of the Aztecs. He
> organized other Indians to support him. They got tired of being
> sacrificed by the Aztecs.
about the conquest of Mexico from Neil Young's " Cortez The Killer ",it
is well known that the Tlaxcaltecas played a MAJOR role in assisting him
. Im Cuernavaca where I used to live there is a mural by Diego Rivera
which depicts the history of the town, in the Palacio de Cortez, the
palace where Cortez and his descendants lived which is now a museum. It
was built like a European castle from the rubble of the Aztec city. The
mural was commissioned by the then British ambassador to Mexico Dwight
Morrow in 1930, and it clearly depicts Indians fighting with Cortez
against the Aztecs. ( He took Cuernavaca - then Cuauhnahuac - as part of
a plan to surround Mexico - Tenochitlan ). Not only the Tlaxcaltecas,
but also the Totonacs of Veracruz ( who were descended from the Olmecs,
the original Indian civilisation of Mexico who lived in the Mayan region
before the Mayans and whose civilisation was a direct ancerstor of the
Mayans ), also helped Cortez. This is hardly a secret. And of course
there was Malinche, Doña Marina, known as La Chingada...
> > and lead.
>
> That dog don't hunt either. I'm no Nazi but...
considered Jews by Nazi standards.
> In German the word "National-Sozialismus" would be translated as "Social
> Nationalism."
No - Socialist Nationalism.
> would mean "One white dove," not "One dove white." (my apology too Slim
> Whitman if I misspelled "pelona.)
"- a white woman who'd lost her money. Or it might refer to Sinead
O'Connor. Dove is " Paloma " - the pilgrimage to El Rocio in Huelva
province, Spain involves the veneration of the " Blanca Paloma " ( it is
often referred to as exactly that ) , the bird that is associated with
the Virgin Mary. The same bird was also associated with
Aphrodite/Venus/Astarte, the goddess of the ancient Mediterranean world,
so the pilgrimage in the name of the Virgin of El Rocio assuredly
predates Christianity. The name " Paloma " is common for girls in the
Andalucia region of Spain, where Huelva is located. Picasso, who was
from Malaga, gave his daughter that name characteristic of his homeland.
End of history lesson.
> These dogs don't hunt either!
> > Who invaded France ?
>
> France and England declared war on Germany after hostilities broke out
> between Germany and Poland. They English and French did nothing to
> defend Poland. If they were so intent on the defense of Poland, why
> didn't they declare war on the USSR, as Stalin invaded Poland at the same
> time?
>
> >Who declared the elimination of Jews from Europe as a goal ?
>
> Hitler did support removing Jews from Europe. So did the Zionists. They
> believed the Jewish population of Europe should have been relocated to
> Palestine.
Talmud " crap ". Most Jews would consider you to be taking on a very
anti-Jewish posture. Anyway the Zionists did not favour forced
repatriation, only voluntary.
>
> Who declared that "The sun shall never set on the British Empire?"
> > Who bombed Guernica ? Who supplied Mussolini and
> > Franco with arms ?
>
> Who supplied the Communists in the Spanish Civil War with troops and arms?
did nothing. Even French Socialist PM Leon Blum despite good intentions
and rhetoric did nothing.
>
> What about Dresdin?
British did NOTHING to merit the blitz of London beforehand. It was in
the early stages of the war.
> > fault of Germany . Unlike the Italians and other nations, Germany never
> > had an active resistance movement and remained loyal to Hitler for a
> > long time. Germany never experienced civil war within WWII, and for this
> > it deserved a punishment far harsher than what it got.
>
> I suppose you would have expected them to support the Soviet invasion of
> their nation?
did ? Their resistance wasnt even up to the French level. They never had
a civil war like Italy did. Rommel didnt get as far as Badoglio...
> war) pushed the Morgenthaeu Plan.
blocked it from being put into effect.
The deliberate death of millions
> through starvation, as the "Soviet Allies" had done in the Ukraine.
>
> > If I was in Eisenhower's place I would have instituted the Kaufman and >Morgenthau plans and gone along with the French desire to follow a policy in >the Saar similar to that followed by Franco in Cataluña or in the USA after
> >WWI : restriction of the German language and culture with the aim of
> >making them into Frenchmen.
>
> You "would have" favored killing millions?
> I wonder about this idea of "restriction of the German language and
> culture with the aim of making them Frenchmen."
in Germany and which the US stopped them from doing. The Catalans did
not deserve such a fate, but the Germans did.
> American culture and making us Americans into Mexicans, Cambodians, or
> something like that?
one of the major languages of western European civilization along with
French and Spanish. As for " American culture ", I'm not too crazy about
it but it is a fact of life. I would like to limit its destructive
impact somewhat, but by establishing more cooperation between nations so
they can consider themselves equals more or less. I am pro diversity and
anti multiculturalism. If you had ever read any of my posts you know I
advocate limiting immigration into the USA to Europeans, their
descendants,the wealthy, and the highly skilled.Now I would not mind
restricting American culture in favour of European culture, but not in a
million years in favour of any third world culture. I certainly found
Mexico to have plenty of good aspects when I was going to school there
but it is a country with serious problems.
> Hawaii, and praised that state for being the first to have no ethnic
> majority, and no dominant culture.
> Regards,
> PB
Brian Smith
nospam.th...@univie.ac.at (Thomas Mohr) wrote:
>On Sun, 23 Nov 1997 09:42:41 -0800, Michael Snider
><sanl...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>< snip >
>>Dresden was merited by the actions of the Germans beforehand. The
>>British did NOTHING to merit the blitz of London beforehand. It was in
>>the early stages of the war.
>BTW, it may sound cynical, but there is a joke about that which
>describes the whole thing very well
>Wæ„£at is Dresden ? A bombing by Winston Churchill carried out
>according to ideas of Adolf Hitler.
Sure. Why don't we say a few jokes about the "holocaust"? You'd be
whining about "insensitivity" and "hate."
As usual, what a hypocrite.
Brian Smith
ja...@cheetah.net (Jafo) wrote:
>>Seeing Michael Snider's rabid, insane hatred of anything White, it's
>>easy to understand why the Jewish coalition of Allied countries were
>>so eager to falsely smear and destroy National Socialist Germany.
>Riiiighttt. Poor misunderstood Nazi Germany. Just a bunch of
>harmless fun-loving boys out for a good time, right Brian?
Yeah, and Jews never did anything to harm Germany during the 1930's or
before. Perfect angels. Right.
>>It's that sort of hatred which prompted Allied air raids of Dresden
>>and Hamburg, the carpet bombings of two strategically meaningless
>>cities inhabited only by women, children, and the convalescent.
>>Dresden was bombed when WWII was basically over with, resulting in
>>over 200,000-300,000 unarmed German civilians dead. Hamburg's
>>casualties were even more. The Allied rape of German women was done
>>to hundreds of thousands of women.
>Which "Allies"?
The U.S. supported -all- the Allied countries in world war II.
>>According to Michael, these actions constituted "justice." (both sic,
>>and sick.)
>As is your historical revisionism.
Care to be specific?
>>Although they hide behind hypocritical "anti-hate" rhetoric, Michael
>>and his ilk are real "haters." Actually, they're some of the most
>>hateful bastards ever to squat on two legs. Just because some Whites
>>would prefer to live with other Whites in their own separate space,
>>and maintain a White identity, Michael Snider wants them destroyed,
>>firebombed to death, mass-raped, or racially mixed out of existence.
>>It's genocide of course, and Michael is just another genocidal
>>liberal. The only difference is Michael is a little more open with
>>psychopathic exhortations of White genocide.
>>Then again, Michael Snider is admittedly a half-Jew and said he
>>resented the fact that his Talmudic, Jewish father criticized him for
>>his "mischling" status. Therefore his hatred of Whites may stem in
>>part from his own self-hatred of being half-Jewish, I don't know.
>Oh, blow it out your ass, Brian; you're as big an overreactor on your
>side of the issue as Michael is on his. No, worse.
Oh, bullshit. If I had said the same things against Jews which
Michael Snider advocated against German women ("it would be justiied
if all Jewish women were raped") you'd be going nuts, accusing me of
"hate", blah blah blah, you two-faced scumbag.
Brian Smith
Western Imperative Network (WIN)
hc2...@earthlink.net
Ian McKinney wrote:
>
> Again, the "socialism" in National Socialism has to do with the racial
> and biological aspects much more than any economic ones normally
> associated with Marxist socialism.
>
> Regards,
> Ian
You're a sad-assed failure of a clown, McKinney, like
a really bad mime auditioning to play Die Meistersaenger.
The "Socialism" in "National Socialism" was a public
relations excercise that gravely misfired, to which there
are many modern parallels. Choosing to call your beloved
political movement "socialist" at a time when a populist
groundswell was getting desperate for recovery of some (even
fictitious) dignity favoring the abused, laboring masses
could be construed as inspired marketing; but when the party
as it evolved was just as hierarchical and riddled with closet
elitism as its former political opponents and driven to acts of
depravity and desperation with absolutely no ethical standards
to mitigate the leaders' hunger for power, you might do well
to acknowledge having a bit of a retrospective problem to
reconcile, besides your painful struggles with language
and excessive masturbation, now known as "Dein Kampf".
The NS cadre managed to come up with a workfare program
(wow!) and a series of sure-fire repressive measures for
anyone who did a less than convincing job of looking
happy whilst getting screwed by Big Business Disguised
As Populist Government.
The trains really didn't run on time, but if you implied
otherwise, you were dead Leberwurst.
This would explain your faith in reincarnation, Ian:
you died once for Hitler, now you came back as Spam.
Heil-a-luja. If you die again, Ian, please stay down.
Socialism is a politico-economic term. Should you
care to be a revisionist of linguistics as well as of
history, developing a unique theori-ette of "racial/biological
socialism", nobody is going to stop you. Then again,
nobody is going to take you seriously - ever, at your
present rate of personal entropy.
One hopes Ian has some other party piece to fall back
on. At least his mentor Herr Schickelgruber could
paint. Not to make a living, but he could throw a nice
little watercolor together every once in a while. But
"nice" doesn't mean possessing creative potential, any more
than "obnoxious", which is more Ian's sort of classification.
What *are* you good at, McKinney?
Think hard. Not one of your cheap tirades so far
indicates so much as a soupcon of talent at anything.
However, if you come back again in a few generations, they
might have found a use for you by then, other than compost.
Ian McKinney
hc2...@earthlink.net wrote:
> Ian McKinney wrote:
> >
> > Again, the "socialism" in National Socialism has to do with the racial
> > and biological aspects much more than any economic ones normally
> > associated with Marxist socialism.
> The "Socialism" in "National Socialism" was a public
> relations excercise that gravely misfired, to which there
> are many modern parallels. Choosing to call your beloved
> political movement "socialist" at a time when a populist
> groundswell was getting desperate for recovery of some (even
> fictitious) dignity favoring the abused, laboring masses
> could be construed as inspired marketing; but when the party
> as it evolved was just as hierarchical and riddled with closet
> elitism as its former political opponents and driven to acts of
> depravity and desperation with absolutely no ethical standards
> to mitigate the leaders' hunger for power, you might do well
> to acknowledge having a bit of a retrospective problem to
> reconcile, besides your painful struggles with language
> and excessive masturbation, now known as "Dein Kampf".
Wow that's probably the longest single sentence posted to AD in five
years!
> The NS cadre managed to come up with a workfare program
> (wow!) and a series of sure-fire repressive measures for
> anyone who did a less than convincing job of looking
> happy whilst getting screwed by Big Business Disguised
> As Populist Government.
So, he had all the people fooled into thinking things were inproving? I
supposed going from desparate unemployment and depression to work and
optimism is all illusion.
> Socialism is a politico-economic term.
That's not exactly true, since the politically correct weenies simply
love all forms of socialism, except, of course, one: National Socialism.
--
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Ian McKinney
Michael Snider wrote:
> Granted I'm no fan
> of WASP America, but that is not exactly " anything white ".
Yeah, we understand that. Not enough toleration of the prostitution you
seem to treasure, I guess.
> MS : One could never tell looking at that giant brothel known as Hamburg
> these days. Anyway I quite like Hamburg. Its one of my favourite cities
> in Deutschland. But those nasty nazis tried to shut down its entire
> raison d'etre. I'm sure if they had known what I would have done to
> their granddaughters they would have thrown up their hands in defeat and
> admitted that their work was useless and gone back to molesting their
> daughters who thus became whores and so did their daughters.
You know, you're a bit obsessed with rape, prostitution, and
molestation.
Brian Smith
hc2...@earthlink.net wrote:
>The "Socialism" in "National Socialism" was a public
>relations excercise that gravely misfired, to which there
>are many modern parallels. Choosing to call your beloved
>political movement "socialist" at a time when a populist
>groundswell was getting desperate for recovery of some (even
>fictitious) dignity favoring the abused, laboring masses
>could be construed as inspired marketing; but when the party
>as it evolved was just as hierarchical and riddled with closet
>elitism as its former political opponents and driven to acts of
>depravity and desperation with absolutely no ethical standards
>to mitigate the leaders' hunger for power, you might do well
>to acknowledge having a bit of a retrospective problem to
>reconcile, besides your painful struggles with language
>and excessive masturbation, now known as "Dein Kampf".
National Socialism was the most successful economic program in
Germany's history. It cut out the Jewish financial middle-man, and
allowed the German government to issue currency free of international
debt. Germany was dominating foreign trade markets as a result.
That's one of the main reasons why the Allies hated Germany so much.
>The NS cadre managed to come up with a workfare program
>(wow!) and a series of sure-fire repressive measures for
>anyone who did a less than convincing job of looking
>happy whilst getting screwed by Big Business Disguised
>As Populist Government.
Give me an example. You're full of shit. You think you can give the
old cheesey anti-German propaganda, and we're going to reflexively buy
it? Think again. I'm going to smoke your ass.
>The trains really didn't run on time, but if you implied
>otherwise, you were dead Leberwurst.
Care to provide an example for your bullshit?
Didn't think so.
>This would explain your faith in reincarnation, Ian:
>you died once for Hitler, now you came back as Spam.
>Heil-a-luja. If you die again, Ian, please stay down.
Looks like Hitler's views on race and the results of racial
integration have already been proven right, hc.
>Socialism is a politico-economic term. Should you
>care to be a revisionist of linguistics as well as of
>history, developing a unique theori-ette of "racial/biological
>socialism", nobody is going to stop you. Then again,
>nobody is going to take you seriously - ever, at your
>present rate of personal entropy.
Sure. That's why Whites are rejecting diversity in favor of homogeny
in increasing numbers, abandoning non-White areas for White ones, and
rejecting liberal race-mixing programs, like bussing, affirmative
action, and integration.
>One hopes Ian has some other party piece to fall back
>on. At least his mentor Herr Schickelgruber could
>paint. Not to make a living, but he could throw a nice
>little watercolor together every once in a while. But
>"nice" doesn't mean possessing creative potential, any more
>than "obnoxious", which is more Ian's sort of classification.
Heh heh, you don't know anything about Ian. That's obvious.
[hc's remaining drivel snipped]
Michael Snider
Ian McKinney wrote:
>
> Michael Snider wrote:
>
> Yeah, we understand that. Not enough toleration of the prostitution you
> seem to treasure, I guess.
MS :That's one reason among many.
> > MS : One could never tell looking at that giant brothel known as Hamburg
> > these days. Anyway I quite like Hamburg. Its one of my favourite cities
> > in Deutschland. But those nasty nazis tried to shut down its entire
> > raison d'etre. I'm sure if they had known what I would have done to
> > their granddaughters they would have thrown up their hands in defeat and
> > admitted that their work was useless and gone back to molesting their
> > daughters who thus became whores and so did their daughters.
>
> You know, you're a bit obsessed with rape, prostitution, and
> molestation.
MS :Molestation is the official Nordic-American pasttime. Remember
French politico Edith Cresson said years ago that the majority of
American men were latent homosexuals ? She had a point, especially those
of WASP backgroiund. Your master race looks to me as an effete elite or
subhuman mentally defective scum of the earth with the worst genetic
inheritance possible. Funny how you guys are into heredity and purity
measuring intelligence as if that were true it would be an argument
against you guys. Cutting your own throats so as to speak ? Anyway I
admit that I like to do what comes naturally. It is - not all WASPs of
course, a large number are great people - but a certain type of
personality who is mostly found within the WASP-American sector, who is
incapable of enjoying normal relations and thus turns towards boys. Just
look at the favoured female sex symbols in this country - most of them
look like 13 year old boys. Back when the Mediterraneans ran the
entertainment industry this was not the case - but ever since the nordic
homosexuals started taking power from the ( mostly ) Jews in the late
sixties we've been beset with all these androgynous, anorexic broads.
Truth is, America is a nation of latent gays for the most part - and if
there was ever a crackdown on paederasts the National Alliance and other
so-called " Aryan movements " would not have any members left...
> --
> Regards,
> Ian McKinney
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>
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>
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>
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What Britain can REALLY be most proud of in the last 30 years...
>
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>
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>
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>
> Fourteen Word Press
MS : Here's my 14 words. Anyone who would believe the utter crap offered
by the National Alliance has problems. Big time...
Ian McKinney
Michael Snider wrote:
> Ian McKinney wrote:
> > You know, you're a bit obsessed with rape, prostitution, and
> > molestation.
>
> MS :Molestation is the official Nordic-American pasttime. Remember
> French politico Edith Cresson said years ago that the majority of
> American men were latent homosexuals ? She had a point, especially those
> of WASP backgroiund.
That's funny since Jews have probably the highest proportion of gays.
And look at the gay movement itself, Jews in many top positions.
> Your master race looks to me as an effete elite or
> subhuman mentally defective scum of the earth with the worst genetic
> inheritance possible.
Another asinine observation, since we obviously kicked a lot of
non-whites asses over the years.
> It is - not all WASPs of
> course, a large number are great people - but a certain type of
> personality who is mostly found within the WASP-American sector, who is
> incapable of enjoying normal relations and thus turns towards boys. Just
> look at the favoured female sex symbols in this country - most of them
> look like 13 year old boys.
Ah, talk to the Jews about that one, since they created that image.
Personally. I like healthy, buxom, women. I don't at all care for the
skinny, emaciated look. But then the latter fits the degenerate
media-induced view that women are merely sex objects, instead of the
mothers of our race.
> Back when the Mediterraneans ran the
> entertainment industry this was not the case - but ever since the nordic
> homosexuals started taking power from the ( mostly ) Jews in the late
> sixties we've been beset with all these androgynous, anorexic broads.
> Truth is, America is a nation of latent gays for the most part - and if
> there was ever a crackdown on paederasts the National Alliance and other
> so-called " Aryan movements " would not have any members left...
You know, I'm always amused at people like you insinuatung these is a
disproportionate number of gays in the racial movement. Why any gay
would lean towards Racial Nationalism, when the left is obviously
pro-gay is beyond me. Racialists are certainly not friendly towards any
political objective the gays want. The left is the well-known home of
the gay movement.
The same with your molestation claims. That's particularly funny since
the only person connected to the racialist movement who was convicted of
molesting children was one Frank Collin. Collin was a Jew who's real
name was Cohen. He somehow manuevered himself into leading a small Nazi
group in Illinois, who gained some fame from their march through the
heavily-Jewish, Skokie. Collin (Cohen) was turned over to the police by
members of his organization once his degenerate activities became known.
Michael Snider
Ian McKinney wrote:
>
> Michael Snider wrote:
> > Ian McKinney wrote:
>
> > > You know, you're a bit obsessed with rape, prostitution, and
> > > molestation.
> >
> > MS :Molestation is the official Nordic-American pasttime. Remember
> > French politico Edith Cresson said years ago that the majority of
> > American men were latent homosexuals ? She had a point, especially those
> > of WASP backgroiund.
>
> That's funny since Jews have probably the highest proportion of gays.
MS : NOT TRUE ! The highest proportion of gays are among Nordics. The
fact that Jews rank as one of the groups with the higher proportions of
gays, although less than Nordics/WASPs, is because the Ashkenazim for
all practical purposes are quite similar to northern European gentiles.
My father was much less Mediterranean than my mother and her family.
> And look at the gay movement itself, Jews in many top positions.
MS : The consequence of the movement being based in New York City. As
25% of the Jews in the world live in NY and nearby ( New Jersey,
Connecticut, NY State ), ANY movement based in this area will most
likely have a considerable amount of Jews in it,
> > Your master race looks to me as an effete elite or
> > subhuman mentally defective scum of the earth with the worst genetic
> > inheritance possible.
>
> Another asinine observation, since we obviously kicked a lot of
> non-whites asses over the years.
MS : Then who was the ones that fled from the cities ? Who gave up
control of the streets ? The whites that fought back were not the
nords but mostly Italian Americans. If you were so superiour it would
have been the others who fled.
> > It is - not all WASPs of
> > course, a large number are great people - but a certain type of
> > personality who is mostly found within the WASP-American sector, who is
> > incapable of enjoying normal relations and thus turns towards boys. Just
> > look at the favoured female sex symbols in this country - most of them
> > look like 13 year old boys.
>
> Ah, talk to the Jews about that one, since they created that image.
> Personally. I like healthy, buxom, women. I don't at all care for the
> skinny, emaciated look. But then the latter fits the degenerate
> media-induced view that women are merely sex objects, instead of the
> mothers of our race.
>
MS : These images began in the sixties when the Jews began to lose the
control of the entertainment industry and media that they had
previously. In this era the Jews began to lose influence and the
Northern European gentile homosexuals gained ascendancy, with the
beginning of the passing of the old Mediterranean ethnic moguls from
the scene. While there are still many influential Jews, it is nothing
like the total control by Mediterraneans - with Jews having the greater
majority of the power - that existed before about 1967 or so, with the
rise of nordics. Its been a long time since theres been a healthy Latin
European female sex symbol as there used to be such as Sofia Loren, Gina
Lollobrigida ( who my mother resembles ), Claudia Cardinale, etc. The
trend these days is all these All American midwestern wholesome girls
next door and Nordic emaciated junky looking Umas and Kate Mosses. Even
Madonna and Cindy Crawford were not able to banish that sick shit from
being the preferred image. Its too well entrenched because the Jews lost
influence and power to the nordics.
> > Back when the Mediterraneans ran the
> > entertainment industry this was not the case - but ever since the nordic
> > homosexuals started taking power from the ( mostly ) Jews in the late
> > sixties we've been beset with all these androgynous, anorexic broads.
> > Truth is, America is a nation of latent gays for the most part - and if
> > there was ever a crackdown on paederasts the National Alliance and other
> > so-called " Aryan movements " would not have any members left...
>
> You know, I'm always amused at people like you insinuatung these is a
> disproportionate number of gays in the racial movement. Why any gay
> would lean towards Racial Nationalism, when the left is obviously
> pro-gay is beyond me.
MS : Because of the hatred for women and for " race mixing breeders "
that your groups have, and the fetishism that has gone along with the
Nazi movement since day one.
Racialists are certainly not friendly towards any
> political objective the gays want.
MS : Cracking down on " race mixing breeders " is something no gay wants
?
The left is the well-known home of
> the gay movement.
>
MS : There are as many homes for the gay movement as there are gays.I
have nothing against gays around me - I would rather live in West
Hollywood than just about any other part of LA - but I am not gay myself
and do not like gays denigrating women. Whenever women and
heterosexuality are denigrated theres usually gays around. And white
nationalist groups love to do that...
> The same with your molestation claims. That's particularly funny since
> the only person connected to the racialist movement who was convicted of
> molesting children was one Frank Collin. Collin was a Jew who's real
> name was Cohen. He somehow manuevered himself into leading a small Nazi
> group in Illinois, who gained some fame from their march through the
> heavily-Jewish, Skokie. Collin (Cohen) was turned over to the police by
> members of his organization
MS : Namely Harold Covingstein, who is not exactly your buddy...anyway
what about Ben Klassen, William Pierce, that guy in Germany, the
paederastic ring in France that was run by a Holocaust revisionist, and
many many others. The list is quite long.
once his degenerate activities became known.
>
> --
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> Ian McKinney
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>
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>
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>
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>
Brian Smith
ja...@cheetah.net (Jafo) wrote:
>On Mon, 24 Nov 1997 18:31:03 GMT, Brian Smith wrote:
>>National Socialism was the most successful economic program in
>>Germany's history. It cut out the Jewish financial middle-man, and
>>allowed the German government to issue currency free of international
>>debt. Germany was dominating foreign trade markets as a result.
>And it's been popular throughout history to blame one's inadequacies
>on the Jews. In fact, if Jews didn't exist, somebody would've had to
>invent 'em.
Jews weren't even mentioned in the NSDAP program. As always, you're
an ignoramus and your "knowledge" of the National Socialism and WWII
comes straight from 50 year-old propaganda.
>>That's one of the main reasons why the Allies hated Germany so much.
>Uh huh. Starting a world war had nothing to do with it...
Yeah, that's why the UK and France declared war on Germany first.
Uh-huh.
>>>The NS cadre managed to come up with a workfare program
>>>(wow!) and a series of sure-fire repressive measures for
>>>anyone who did a less than convincing job of looking
>>>happy whilst getting screwed by Big Business Disguised
>>>As Populist Government.
>>Give me an example. You're full of shit. You think you can give the
>>old cheesey anti-German propaganda, and we're going to reflexively buy
>>it? Think again. I'm going to smoke your ass.
>Smith, the only smoke you're blowing is wafting up your own ass. The
>only ones you're impressing are the skinheads.
Didn't think you could provide an example, either.
>>Looks like Hitler's views on race and the results of racial
>>integration have already been proven right, hc.
>And you share every one of those views, eh, Brian?
I agree that the races aren't "equal." And I also agree that Hitler
and Germany had every right to build a state for White Germans, free
from Jewish control and monopoly.
T.M.
Brian Smith wrote:
>
< snip >
>
> National Socialism was the most successful economic program in
> Germany's history. It cut out the Jewish financial middle-man, and
> allowed the German government to issue currency free of international
> debt. Germany was dominating foreign trade markets as a result.
Okay, Brian, let's look at the German "econnomy wonder" in the 30ies. in
1933, Germany had a small army, some old navy vessels and almost no
airforce. In 1939 they had the most powerful airforce in Europe, a well
equipped and large army and they had built are were building 2
battleships (Bismarck and Tirpitz) 2 battlecruisers (Scharnhorst and
Gneisenau) several heavy cruisers and several "pocket battelships". Not
to mention the personal costs for the increased staff. Do you know what
that means, economically speaking ? That means that a big part of the
budget went straight into the army. Further that means, that a big part
of the German economy worked for the army. Finally that means that quite
a large part of the economy was blocked with producing army goods
instead of goods for export or consumption. Well, army supply gives no
overall profit for the economy. The result was a weak currency which
with lesser and lesser gold reserves behind it. In 1938 the situation
was so desparate, that one major reason for the occupation of Austria
was the possibility to get the gold reserves of the Austria national
bank.
That's your "superior" economy.
Ian McKinney
Michael Snider wrote:
> Ian McKinney wrote:
> > That's funny since Jews have probably the highest proportion of gays.
>
> MS : NOT TRUE ! The highest proportion of gays are among Nordics. The
> fact that Jews rank as one of the groups with the higher proportions of
> gays, although less than Nordics/WASPs, is because the Ashkenazim for
> all practical purposes are quite similar to northern European gentiles.
> My father was much less Mediterranean than my mother and her family.
First, I'm not a nordic. So if you think that by insulting nordics
you're insulting me, forget it. Nonetheless, I'd still like to see this
evidence of a disproportionate number of gays among nordics. I don't
think it's the case.
> > And look at the gay movement itself, Jews in many top positions.
>
> MS : The consequence of the movement being based in New York City. As
> 25% of the Jews in the world live in NY and nearby ( New Jersey,
> Connecticut, NY State ), ANY movement based in this area will most
> likely have a considerable amount of Jews in it,
Why, Jews are still a minority even in their stronghold, NYC?
> > Another asinine observation, since we obviously kicked a lot of
> > non-whites asses over the years.
>
> MS : Then who was the ones that fled from the cities ? Who gave up
> control of the streets ? The whites that fought back were not the
> nords but mostly Italian Americans. If you were so superiour it would
> have been the others who fled.
You forgot to mention that the non-whites have the government on their
side. But, your mention of Italians brings up an interesting point:
ethnic solidarity. It was because the Italians had much more ethnic
solidarity than the WASP population that they were able to stem the tide
in many of these areas. That solidarity is something that all Whites
need.
I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to understand that if we take
two groups who are equal in all other areas, the one which possesses the
most sense of who they are, and puts that into practice through group
solidarity - in other words, RACISM - will be the stronger of the two.
I realize that most non-whites have more of this solidarity, and that
obviously gives then an advantage. The fact that, even with all their
other disadvantages, they have accomplished what they have proves the
point. I'm trying to make some of my own people see this and change
their ways. We must or we'll be history in a couple of generations.
Whites are simply going to have to buckle-down, get serious, and
understand what's at stake. And most importantly get it through their
heads that we either stand together or we're finished.
> > Ah, talk to the Jews about that one, since they created that image.
> > Personally. I like healthy, buxom, women. I don't at all care for the
> > skinny, emaciated look. But then the latter fits the degenerate
> > media-induced view that women are merely sex objects, instead of the
> > mothers of our race.
> >
> MS : These images began in the sixties when the Jews began to lose the
> control of the entertainment industry and media that they had
> previously.
Where have you been? The Jews haven't lost their influence in the
entertainment media. They've lost some ground in the information media
due to the emergence of the various new media, but virtually all movies
are largely the creations of Jewish writers and producers.
The media taken over by nordics? Sorry, that dog don't hunt.
> Its been a long time since theres been a healthy Latin
> European female sex symbol as there used to be such as Sofia Loren, Gina
> Lollobrigida ( who my mother resembles ), Claudia Cardinale, etc.
I like these kinds of White women. Large breasts, wide hips, and
hourglass figures exude sex and fertility. I have no doubt most White
men still prefer that by far. I think the reason why we are getting more
of these spindly, flat-chested, boyish types is because of the rise of
feminism. Look at the body of your average feminist. The Sophia Loren,
Raquel Welch look is what they despise most.
> Even
> Madonna and Cindy Crawford were not able to banish that sick shit from
> being the preferred image.
Well, Madonna's no example with her degeneracy and race-mixing. And you
like Crawford just because she looks more Mediterranean than some of the
others.
Would it make you feel better if I told you that my wife has a set of
37Ds and can get a pretty dark tan?
> > You know, I'm always amused at people like you insinuatung these is a
> > disproportionate number of gays in the racial movement. Why any gay
> > would lean towards Racial Nationalism, when the left is obviously
> > pro-gay is beyond me.
>
> MS : Because of the hatred for women and for " race mixing breeders "
> that your groups have, and the fetishism that has gone along with the
> Nazi movement since day one.
If you knew what you were talking about you'd realize that Hitler had
very strong support from women in Germany.
As far as condemning race-mixing, that will never change regardless of
whether were discussing men OR women.
> The left is the well-known home of
> > the gay movement.
> >
> MS : There are as many homes for the gay movement as there are gays.I
> have nothing against gays around me - I would rather live in West
> Hollywood than just about any other part of LA - but I am not gay myself
> and do not like gays denigrating women.
There's no denigration of women in the racial movement. There's
certainly criticism of feminism the same as there is of any liberal
pathology.
Let me put it this way: I doubt any person could be openly gay in the
racial movement. I've heard of a couple of secret gays, but that's it,
but then nothings's perfect. Look, it's really not a movement where gays
would feel wanted.
> Whenever women and
> heterosexuality are denigrated theres usually gays around. And white
> nationalist groups love to do that...
You're wrong. One of the aims of the Western Imperative Network is to
actively recruit women. We have no hostility at all towards women. We
consider women to be an essential part of our struggle.
> > The same with your molestation claims. That's particularly funny since
> > the only person connected to the racialist movement who was convicted of
> > molesting children was one Frank Collin. Collin was a Jew who's real
> > name was Cohen. He somehow manuevered himself into leading a small Nazi
> > group in Illinois, who gained some fame from their march through the
> > heavily-Jewish, Skokie. Collin (Cohen) was turned over to the police by
> > members of his organization
> MS : Namely Harold Covingstein, who is not exactly your buddy...anyway
> what about Ben Klassen, William Pierce, that guy in Germany, the
> paederastic ring in France that was run by a Holocaust revisionist, and
> many many others. The list is quite long.
First Covington says a lot of things. People who were high up in
Klassen's organization emphatically deny these stories spread by
Covington claiming he was gay. After all, the man lived with his wife at
his headquarters and was married until he died. I really don'r believe
Klassen was gay.
I have never even heard Covington, let alone anyone else, say that Bill
Pierce was gay. Where you pulled that one out from I can't guess.
I don't know about anything that happened in Germany. However, that's
probably another one of your inventions too.
Like I said, if you want gays, look at the leftists. The fags are always
acting in unison with Marxists, Liberals, and even the feminists. That's
no secret.
I'm not saying there might be a few fags in the racialist movement, but
it wouldn't be hospitable place. What I do know is that I have never met
an openly gay racialist in my six years in the movement. I never met
anyone in the movement who looked or acted gay either.
--
Regards,
Ian McKinney
Western Imperative Network
Thomas Mohr
On Mon, 24 Nov 1997 03:48:10 GMT, sbr...@micron.net (Brian Smith)
wrote:
< snip >
>
>Yeah, and Jews never did anything to harm Germany during the 1930's or
>before. Perfect angels. Right.
You always state that Jews are so harmful to any country. Hic Rhodos,
hic salta.
Please give ONE example, time between 1000 and 1900 when Jews have
harmed a country. Remember, nott your usual Blabla, historically EXACT
evidence, okay ?
Thomas Mohr
On Sun, 23 Nov 1997 01:41:47 -0600, pbi...@jps.net wrote:
< snip >
>France and England declared war on Germany after hostilities broke out
>between Germany and Poland. They English and French did nothing to
>defend Poland. If they were so intent on the defense of Poland, why
>didn't they declare war on the USSR, as Stalin invaded Poland at the same
>time?
Wrong: They declared war after and BECAUSE Germany INVADED Poland.
> >Who declared the elimination of Jews from Europe as a goal ?
>
>Hitler did support removing Jews from Europe. So did the Zionists. They
>believed the Jewish population of Europe should have been relocated to
>Palestine.
So why didn't he let them simply emigrate without their fortune ? It
would have saved hima a lot of troubles ? Face it, Hitler WANTED the
extermination of Jews.
< snip>
>
>The United Nations (the word "allies wasn't used much untill after the
>war) pushed the Morgenthaeu Plan. The deliberate death of millions
>through starvation, as the "Soviet Allies" had done in the Ukraine.
The United Nations didn't push ANYTHING, because they were non
existent by that time
Thomas Mohr
On Mon, 24 Nov 1997 10:40:24 -0500, Ian McKinney <i...@usaor.net>
wrote:
< snip >
>
>So, he had all the people fooled into thinking things were inproving? I
>supposed going from desparate unemployment and depression to work and
>optimism is all illusion.
The people WERE fooled into economical improvement. See my post about
the German economy
jb
Brian Smith wrote:
Ian wrote:
Sounds very familiar with what the Jews want to happen in America. May
you rot in hell, asshole.
jb wrote:
The Jewish people have contributed to the growth of America, I cannot
figure out why people like you are constantly trying to degrade this
particular faith?
If anyone is "race mixing" it is the people who chose to race mix,
I don't see anyone holding a gun to anyones head to "race mix".
But, during Nazie Germany, the Nazies did bring in the Swedish blonds
to intermix with the Germans.
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Thomas Mohr
On Tue, 25 Nov 1997 02:04:40 GMT, sbr...@micron.net (Brian Smith)
wrote:
< snip >
>Jews weren't even mentioned in the NSDAP program. As always, you're
>an ignoramus and your "knowledge" of the National Socialism and WWII
>comes straight from 50 year-old propaganda.
Yes, but they are mentioned VERY often in "Mein Kampf" which was
equally important to the NSDAP program ...
< snip >
>Yeah, that's why the UK and France declared war on Germany first.
>Uh-huh.
In fulfillment of their promises to Poland. Did you forget ? GERMAN
troups ordered by Hitler and his Nazis fired the first shots.
y snip >
Michael Snider
repeating the experiences of 1923 with currency collapse due to
overinflation. The Nazis' inflationary management of the economy made
WWII inevitable to prolong the bubble from popping. Hitler's Germany was
on the verge of another economic disaster as occurred under Weimar rule.
Ian McKinney
Thomas Mohr wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Nov 1997 03:48:10 GMT, sbr...@micron.net (Brian Smith)
> wrote:
> < snip >
> >
> >Yeah, and Jews never did anything to harm Germany during the 1930's or
> >before. Perfect angels. Right.
>
> You always state that Jews are so harmful to any country. Hic Rhodos,
> hic salta.
>
> Please give ONE example, time between 1000 and 1900 when Jews have
> harmed a country. Remember, nott your usual Blabla, historically EXACT
> evidence, okay ?
I have personally provided overwhelming evidence of the Jew's creation
and promotion of communism in Russia. That's some serious harm for you.
What, 80 million people murdered?
Jews have been the driving force behind communism from its very
beginnings. That includes communist propaganda and espionage against
America. I'm reading a new book at the moment, "The Rosenberg Files",
written by a Jew, which exposes the whole Fuchs-Gold spy ring of which
the Rosenbergs were a part. Based on newly discovered documents, the
extent of this Jewish espionage was far more extensive than previously
thought. For example, Julius Rosenberg was charged with giving the
Soviets a crude drawing of the proximity fuse, when, in fact, he had
actually delivered to them a working fuse!
I'll state flatly that anyone who denies extensive Jewish involvement in
communism simply doesn't know what they're talking about. Even if such a
person claims some particular expertise in Russian history yet still
denies this Jewish factor, then all I can say is that they were sold a
bill of goods instead of an education.
Ian McKinney
Thomas Mohr wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Nov 1997 01:41:47 -0600, pbi...@jps.net wrote:
> < snip >
>
> >France and England declared war on Germany after hostilities broke out
> >between Germany and Poland. They English and French did nothing to
> >defend Poland. If they were so intent on the defense of Poland, why
> >didn't they declare war on the USSR, as Stalin invaded Poland at the same
> >time?
>
> Wrong: They declared war after and BECAUSE Germany INVADED Poland.
Big deal! The fact is that Germany hadn't done anything to England.
>
> > >Who declared the elimination of Jews from Europe as a goal ?
> >
> >Hitler did support removing Jews from Europe. So did the Zionists. They
> >believed the Jewish population of Europe should have been relocated to
> >Palestine.
>
> So why didn't he let them simply emigrate without their fortune ? It
> would have saved hima a lot of troubles ? Face it, Hitler WANTED the
> extermination of Jews.
Hitler wanted the Jews out of Western Europe and back into southern
Rusia where they came. Anyone who has read Hitler's ideas understands
that. If Hitler had merely wanted their extermination, it would have
been done. The facilities existed where whole trainloads of Jews could
have been gassed at one time, but were never used for that.
On eproblem that most people forget is that Germany couldn't find any
other country to take these Jews. Nobody wanted them. Some went to
Palestine with the help of Germany. This is discussed in the book "The
Seventh Million."
I really belive that if the war wouldn't have occurred, the Jews would
have been relocated somewhere and we wouldn't have a Jewish problem in
the West. Maybe the Jews wouldn't have liked being forced out of their
fat status in Germany, but I think most rational folks would agree that
the Germans had a right to determine who would live in their country.
> >The United Nations (the word "allies wasn't used much untill after the
> >war) pushed the Morgenthaeu Plan. The deliberate death of millions
> >through starvation, as the "Soviet Allies" had done in the Ukraine.
>
> The United Nations didn't push ANYTHING, because they were non
> existent by that time
The Morganthau Plan was certainly considered. But there was enough
outrage within and without the US that it was fortunately scrapped. If
the Jews had had a bit more influence, I have no doubt they would have
implemented it - reducing Germany's population by millions through
deliberate stavation - without batting an eyelash. After all, as far as
the Jews were concerned, the Germans were nothing but insolent goyim who
had dared raise their hand to "God's Chosen People", and deserved
whatever treatment the most diabolical Jew mind could invent.
Ian McKinney
Thomas Mohr wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Nov 1997 10:40:24 -0500, Ian McKinney <i...@usaor.net>
> wrote:
> < snip >
> >
> >So, he had all the people fooled into thinking things were inproving? I
> >supposed going from desparate unemployment and depression to work and
> >optimism is all illusion.
>
> The people WERE fooled into economical improvement. See my post about
> the German economy
Yes, we saw you're posting. You conveiniently left out the part about
Germany's sweeping of foreign markets was making people in London and
Wall Street pretty nervous. His barter plan for overseas trade really
gave then them fits. A system of trade without the need to borrow money.
Horrors!
Thomas Mohr
On Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:54:07 -0500, Ian McKinney <i...@usaor.net>
wrote:
< snip >
>I have personally provided overwhelming evidence of the Jew's creation
>and promotion of communism in Russia. That's some serious harm for you.
>What, 80 million people murdered?
>Jews have been the driving force behind communism from its very
>beginnings.
I bet you don't even know WHEN communism really began, respectively on
which works it is really based. A hint Karl Marx' work is only a
review and a systematization of already existing theories and works.
BTW, I said between 1000 and 1900. You still didn't tell me a case
where Jews directly and provenly harmed a country during that time.
Thomas Mohr
On Tue, 25 Nov 1997 16:09:02 -0500, Ian McKinney <i...@usaor.net>
wrote:
>Big deal! The fact is that Germany hadn't done anything to England.
Except a big heap of broken treaties (so far to the honesty of the
Nazis) and a massive verbal threatening. Face it, Poland was an
English ALLY.
>Hitler wanted the Jews out of Western Europe and back into southern
>Rusia where they came. Anyone who has read Hitler's ideas understands
>that. If Hitler had merely wanted their extermination, it would have
>been done. The facilities existed where whole trainloads of Jews could
>have been gassed at one time, but were never used for that.
What a bullshit. Later Jews couldn't emmigrate even if they WANTED to
do it. Jews in Russia ? Hitler always said that this is "Lebensraum im
Osten" Livingspace in the East. For Jews ? No, for GERMANS !!! With
the Russian "aboriginees" as their slaves.
Proof: In 1939 or 1940, Southern Tyroleans (Germans in Italy) had the
chance to opt for a relocation out of Italy. Those who opted pro was
promised new farms in the East. In Russia to be exact. Do you really
think Hitler would have mixed his Southern Tyroleans with Jews ????
Face it, Hitler often spoke of the eradication of Jews, the word in
German is "ausmerzen". I don't know if you're proficient enough in
German, but in German (and German is a VERY exact language) that word
clearly means an eradication without any traces to be left. In one
word: killing.
>On eproblem that most people forget is that Germany couldn't find any
>other country to take these Jews. Nobody wanted them. Some went to
>Palestine with the help of Germany. This is discussed in the book "The
>Seventh Million."
>
>I really belive that if the war wouldn't have occurred, the Jews would
>have been relocated somewhere and we wouldn't have a Jewish problem in
>the West. Maybe the Jews wouldn't have liked being forced out of their
>fat status in Germany, but I think most rational folks would agree that
>the Germans had a right to determine who would live in their country.
Well, the Jews have been "relocated" by Hitler - right through the
chimneys of the concentration camps. BTW: please don't say "we have a
jewish problem". YOU have one and it's a mental problem. Together with
some others which need medical attention.
Thomas Mohr
On Tue, 25 Nov 1997 16:13:10 -0500, Ian McKinney <i...@usaor.net>
wrote:
< snip >
>Yes, we saw you're posting. You conveiniently left out the part about
>Germany's sweeping of foreign markets was making people in London and
>Wall Street pretty nervous. His barter plan for overseas trade really
>gave then them fits. A system of trade without the need to borrow money.
>Horrors!
Ian, you're not only ignorant of science, but also on history and
economy. Everybody (maybe except you) knows, that the German economy
between 1933 and 1939 had to serve rearmamation and was gradually
turned into a WAR economy. (i.e. a planned economy and not a free
market economy). Why do you think that the Germans managed to start
their war WITHOUT major changes in their economy ? Why do you think
that the UK had major economical difficulties ? Because Germans
already HAD a war economy and the UK NOT. With a war economy, you
can't sweep foreign markets. You serve a war, therefore the name.
A good economy leads to rises in wages, right ? So please explain, why
wages in Germany DID NOT rise for 12 years after 1933. That's your
"superior" economical plan. It's shit.
>
Ian McKinney
Thomas Mohr wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:54:07 -0500, Ian McKinney <i...@usaor.net>
> wrote:
> < snip >
>
> >and promotion of communism in Russia. That's some serious harm for you.
> >What, 80 million people murdered?
>
> >Jews have been the driving force behind communism from its very
> >beginnings.
>
> I bet you don't even know WHEN communism really began, respectively on
> which works it is really based. A hint Karl Marx' work is only a
> review and a systematization of already existing theories and works.
That's not important since without the Jews, whatever ideological
conponents Marxism was derived from would have sat molding on the
shelves of rarely-read books. It was only because many Jews saw
communism as a way to realize their ancient dream of ruling over
everyone else, did it ever come to pass. The other segment of Jews saw
Zionism as the means to the same end.
> BTW, I said between 1000 and 1900. You still didn't tell me a case
> where Jews directly and provenly harmed a country during that time.
Why are you so careful to limit our consideration to that period? I
think you know damn well that in the Roman Empire Jews were real
troublemakers. I recall that on one occasion the Jews went on a murder
spree which killed thousands of Romans. But, of course, that was before
1000 AD.
Yes, and you're very careful to set your limits so the Bolsheviks can't
be discussed. Very interesting.
Michael Snider
Ian McKinney wrote:
>
> Thomas Mohr wrote:
> > wrote:
> > < snip >
> > >
> > >Yeah, and Jews never did anything to harm Germany during the 1930's or
> > >before. Perfect angels. Right.
> >
> > You always state that Jews are so harmful to any country. Hic Rhodos,
> > hic salta.
> >
> > Please give ONE example, time between 1000 and 1900 when Jews have
> > harmed a country. Remember, nott your usual Blabla, historically EXACT
> > evidence, okay ?
>
> and promotion of communism in Russia.
Russian communism, for every Jew there were 1000 Orthodox involved.
Your " overwhelming " evidence consists of using " Jew " to describe
anyone you do not like. A few Jews involved in communist activities
among thousands in total does not amke anythingmore the fault of
specific individuals.
That's some serious harm for you.
> What, 80 million people murdered?
> Jews have been the driving force behind communism from its very
> beginnings.
could state that the Spanish Inquisition was a ploy for Jews to
gain more power as Torquemada and King Fernando had Jewish
ancestry.
That includes communist propaganda
MS :To the damage of Marxian movements must be included that caused
by German National Socialism. As some of its leaders were of
Jewish ancestry do you include that as among the bloody legacy of
Marxism ?
and espionage against
> America.
MS : A country you accuse of being controlled by the
Jews. So you're accusing Jews of trying to undermine
Jewish interests, as espionage against America to you
would be espionage against the Jews. Make up your mind.
Anyway far more espionage against America was committed
by Nazi Germany and its supporters and admirers. National
Socialism would be the real enemies of America, as
you've stated that America was a bastion of Jewish interest.
So why are you so concerned with espionage against Jewish
interests if you dislike Jews so much ? You come off as
someone who would willingly commit espionage against America.
I'm reading a new book at the moment, "The Rosenberg Files",
> written by a Jew, which exposes the whole Fuchs-Gold spy ring of which
> the Rosenbergs were a part. Based on newly discovered documents, the
> extent of this Jewish espionage was far more extensive than previously
> thought. For example, Julius Rosenberg was charged with giving the
> Soviets a crude drawing of the proximity fuse, when, in fact, he had
> actually delivered to them a working fuse!
MS : IOW Julius Rosenberg was working to subvert Jewish
interests according to your sources.
> I'll state flatly that anyone who denies extensive Jewish involvement in
> communism simply doesn't know what they're talking about.
MS :Marx and a few other individuals does not constitute
" extensive Jewish involvement ". You seem to refer to those
who you dislike as Jews.
Even if such a
> person claims some particular expertise in Russian history yet still
> denies this Jewish factor, then all I can say is that they were sold a
> bill of goods instead of an education.
MS: Russia is only one country. My Jewish relatives had
no connection with Russia.( They were from Britain, Germany, and maybe
the Netherlands). So how is this relevant for all the
Jews of the world outside Russia who have zero connection
with events there, and even within Russia Jews played no more than a
minor role there...for one thing how could a people who were so poor
and marginalised in Russia play such a strong role there ? No puede
ser...
Ian McKinney
Michael Snider wrote:
> Ian McKinney wrote:
> > I have personally provided overwhelming evidence of the Jew's creation
> > and promotion of communism in Russia.
> MS : Marx was not Russian. While there were some Jews involved in
> Russian communism, for every Jew there were 1000 Orthodox involved.
> Your " overwhelming " evidence consists of using " Jew " to describe
> anyone you do not like. A few Jews involved in communist activities
> among thousands in total does not amke anythingmore the fault of
> specific individuals.
Look, I run into people like you so often I wrote the following piece
just to shut you up. Now you read it and keep in mind it's only an
OUTLINE of Jewish involvement in Communism. Please note that Jews were
not some insignificant factor, but instead made up over 80% of the
original Bolshevik leadership! Read on. Maybe it will finally sink into
your thick head.
Patriot Fact Sheet : The Jews and Bolshevism
By Ian McKinney
One of the most hushed-up facts concerning the so-called "Russian
Revolution" of 1917 is that Jews constituted the overwhelming majority
of the Bolshevik leadership. While the Jews, and those sympathetic to
them, continue to condemn anyone as "anti-Semitic" who brings up these
facts, it remains undeniable that communism was both a Jewish created
and lead revolutionary movement. Communism remains the single most
destructive and murderous political system ever created.
First, it is a well known fact that the father of communism, Karl Marx,
was a Jew and descended from long list of rabbis on his father's side.
Whether he was a "religous" Jew is of no significant importance, since
Jewishness is not defined exclusively by adherance to Judaism. A great
bulk of Jews today would probably identify themselves as atheists, but
also nonetheless consider themselves Jews. This was confirmed by Leo N,
Levi, former President of B'nai B'rith, when he remarked: "A believer in
the Jewish faith does not by reason of that fact become a Jew. On the
other hand, however, a Jew by birth remains a Jew, even though he
adjures his religion."
While some persons, who deny Jewish involvement in communism, will
concede that Marx was indeed Jewish, let's see the them deny the
communist-Jewish connection as clearly exposed in diplomatic cables that
passed between American representatives in Russia and Washington D.C.
during the time of the Bolshevik take-over of Russia. The following
quotes are taken directly from documents available from the U.S.
Archives:
State Department document 861.00/1757 sent May 2, 1918 by U.S. consul
general in Moscow, Summers: "Jews prominant in local Soviet government,
anti-Jewish feeling growing among population...."
State Department document 861.00/2205 was sent from Vladivostok on July
5, 1918 by U.S. consul Caldwell: "Fifty percent of Soviet government in
each town consists of Jews of the worst type."
From the Headquarters of the American Expeditionary Forces, Siberia on
March 1, 1919, comes this telegram from Omsk by Chief of Staff, Capt.
Montgomey Shuyler: "It is probably unwise to say this loudly in the
United States but the Bolshevik movement is and has been since it's
beginning guided and controlled by Russian Jews of the greasiest
type."
A second Schuyler telegram, dated June 9, 1919 from Vladivostok, reports
on the make-up of the presiding Soviet government: "...(T)here were 384
`commissars' including 2 negroes, 13 Russians, 15 Chinamen, 22
Armenians, AND MORE THAN 300 JEWS. Of the latter number, 264 had come to
Russia from the United States since the downfall of the Imperial
Government."
With the notable exception of Lenin (Vladimir Ulyanov), most of the
leading Communists who took control of Russia in 1917-20 were Jews.
(Lenin was married to the Jewess, Krupsakaya, and has since been
discovered by a former Soviet general, who had access to the KGB
archives, to have been least 25% Jewish!) Leon Trotsky (Lev Bronstein)
headed the Red Army and, for a time, was chief of Soviet foreign
affairs. Yakov Sverdlov (Solomon) was both the Bolshevik party's
executive secretary and - as chairman of the Central Executive Committee
- head of the Soviet government. Grigori Zinoviev (Radomyslsky) headed
the Communist International (Comintern), the central agency for
spreading revolution in foreign countries. Other prominent Jews included
street agitator and later press commissar Karl Radek (Sobelsohn),
foreign affairs commissar Maxim Litvinov (Wallach), Lev Kamenev
(Rosenfeld), Yakov Sverdlov, and Moisei Uritsky.
David R. Francis, United States ambassador in Russia, warned in a
January 1918 dispatch to Washington: "The Bolshevik leaders here, most
of whom are Jews and 90 percent of whom are returned exiles, care little
for Russia or any other country but are internationalists and they are
trying to start a worldwide social revolution."
The Netherlands' ambassador in Russia, Oudendyke, confirmed this:
"Unless Bolshevism is nipped in the bud immediately, it is bound to
spread in one form or another over Europe and the whole world as it is
organized and worked by Jews who have no nationality, and whose one
object is to destroy for their own ends the existing order of things."
In case anyone thinks I've taken a few selected quotes out-of-context,
here's three paragraphs from Dr. George A. Simons, a former
superintendent of the Methodist Missions in Russia, Bolshevik Propaganda
Hearing Before the Sub-Committee of the Committee on the Judiciary,
United States Senate, 65th Congress:
"We were told that hundreds of agitators had followed in the trail of
Trotsky (Bronstein) these men having come over from the lower east side
of New York. Some of them when they learned that I was the American
Pastor in Petrograd, stepped up to me and seemed very much pleased that
there was somebody who could speak English, and their broken English
showed that they had not qualified as being Americas. A number of these
men called on me and were impressed with the strange Yiddish element in
this thing right from the beginning, and it soon became evident that
more than half the agitators in the socalled Bolshevik movement were
Jews...I have a firm conviction that this thing is Yiddish, and that one
of its bases is found in the east side of New York...The latest
startling information, given me by someone with good authority,
startling information, is this, that in December, 1918, in the northern
community of Petrograd that is what they call the section of the Soviet
regime under the Presidency of the man known as Apfelbaum (Zinovieff)
out of 388 members, only 16 happened to be real Russians, with the
exception of one man, a Negro from America who calls himself Professor
Gordon.
I was impressed with this, Senator, that shortly after the great
revolution of the winter of 1917, there were scores of Jews standing on
the benches and soap boxes, talking until their mouths frothed, and I
often remarked to my sister, 'Well, what are we coming to anyway. This
all looks so Yiddish.' Up to that time we had see very few Jews, because
there was, as you know, a restriction against having Jews in Petrograd,
but after the revolution they swarmed in there and most of the agitators
were Jews.
I might mention this, that when the Bolshevik came into power all over
Petrograd, we at once had a predominance of Yiddish proclamations, big
posters and everything in Yiddish. It became very evident that now that
was to be one of the great languages of Russia; and the real Russians
did not take kindly to it."
Some might automatically assume that the preceeding sources are
"anti-Semitic" and therefore unreliable, but they'd be wrong. Here's a
few Jewish sources that essentially substantiate the previous ones:
"The Bolshevik revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains, of
Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal is to create a
new order in the world. What was performed in so excellent a way in
Russia, thanks to Jewish brains, and because of Jewish dissatisfaction
and by Jewish planning, shall also, through the same Jewish mental an
physical forces, become a reality all over the world." (The American
Hebrew, September 10, 1920)
"There is much in the fact of Bolshevism itself, in the fact that so
many Jews are Bolshevists. The ideals of Bolshevism are consonant with
many of the highest ideals of Judaism." (Jewish Chronicle, London April,
4, 1919)
"Some call it Marxism I call it Judaism." (The American Bulletin, Rabbi
S. Wise, May 5, 1935).
"In the Bolshevik era, 52 percent of the membership of the Soviet
communist party was Jewish, though Jews comprised only 1.8 percent of
the total population." (Stuart Kahan, The Wolf of the Kremlin, p. 81)
Interestinly, one of the first acts by the Bolsheviks was to make
so-called "anti-Semitism" a capital crime. This is confirmed by Stalin
himself:
"National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic customs
characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-semitism, as an
extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of
cannibalism...under USSR law active anti-Semites are liable to the death
penalty." (Stalin, Collected Works, vol. 13, p. 30).
While Christian churches across Russia were being destroyed and
clergymen murdered by Communist gangs, synoguoges and rabbis were left
virtually untouched.
It was during this time that Bolshevik Commissars (many of them Jews)
conducted a horrendous reign of terror against the non-Jewish Russian
population. In one case alone, they deliberately starved to death 20
million Ukranian farmers during the 1920's in one of the most vile
campaigns in history: In (the) Ukraine, "Jews made up nearly 80 percent
of the rank-and-file Cheka agents," reports W. Bruce Lincoln, an
American professor of Russian history. . . "
Some modern historians estimate that upwards of 85 million persons were
murdered in the 70 years of communist rule in Russia, many of them
directly at the hands of Jews, and even more at the order of Jewish
Communist bosses.
Patriot Fact Sheet : Jews and Post WWII Communism
By Ian McKinney
During the early 1950's numerous investigations and trials were
conducted against communist agents. Here follows a brief summary of the
most well-know cases which demonstrate the disproportionate involvement
of Jews in communist activities against the United States.
"The Amerasia Case": In early 1945 the FBI arrested six persons for
stealing 1700 highly classified State Department documents. Three of the
six were Jews:
Philip Jaffe, a Russian Jew who was the former editor of the communist
paper, "Labor Defense". He was convicted and fined.
Andrew Roth, a Brooklyn Jew, was a lieutenant in Naval Intelligence.
Mark Gayn, a Russian Jew, (real name is Julius Ginsberg), was a writer.
"Alger Hiss Case": Hiss, although a communist, was one of the most
influential men in the State Department and an advisor to FDR. He was a
protege of Jewish Supreme Court Justice, Felix Frankfurter. Despite
Frankfurter's court appearance as a character witness, the evidence was
enough that Hiss was convicted of perjury and sentenced to five years.
"Gerhard Eisler Case": Eisler, a Jew and the highest-ranking member of
the communist party ever brought to trial, was the secret boss of the
communist party between 1935 and 1947. In May of 1950, while free on
bail, Eisler fled the U.S. and later became the propaganda chief of
communist Eastern Germany. His sister, Ruth, was a communist agent for a
number of years.
"The Hollywood Ten": In 1950 ten leading film writers of the Hollywood
Film Colony were convicted of contempt of Congress and sentenced to
prison. Nine of the ten were Jews:
Alvah Bessie, a screen writer, wrote for the party publication, New
Masses.
Herbert Biberman, a communist party member.
Lester Cole, a communist party member.
Edward Dmytryk, belonged to fifteen communist fronts.
Ring Lardner, Jr., a communist party member.
John Lawson, a Broadway playwrite and communist party member.
Albert Maltz, a screen writer and communist party member.
Samuel Ornitz, a screen writer.
Adrian Scott, nationality unknown.
Dalton Trumbo, a communist party member.
"The American Politburo": The case exposed the fact that at least six of
eleven members of the National Secretariat of the American Communist
Party were Jewish. Those identified as Jews were:
Jacob Sachel, John Gates (real name, Israel Regenstreif), Gilbert Green
(real name, Greenberg), Gus Hall (real name, Arvo Mike Halberg), Irving
Potash, and Carl Winter. The racial identity of Eugene Dennis (real
name, Waldron), Robert Thompson, and John Williamson are unknown.
"Fuchs-Gold Spy Ring": Atomic scientist, Klaus Fuchs, (not a Jew), was
brought to America at the personal instigation of Albert Einstein. While
working on the Manhattan Project, Fuchs had access to our innermost
atomic secrets from 1942 to 1945. Based upon information obtained from
interrogations of Fuchs, the FBI began investigations which resulted in
the arrest of nine other members of the spy ring. Of the nine, who were
all convicted, eight were Jewish:
Harry Gold, pivotal ring member along with Fuchs, was arrested in 1950,
pleaded guilty to espionage, and sentenced to thirty years.
David Greenglass, passed atomic secrets to Gold and Julius Rosenberg.
Greenglass's wife, Ruth, worked as a courier, passing information
between her husband and the Rosenbergs. He was released from prison in
1960.
Abraham Brothman, headed an engineering firm and supplied Gold with
secret information on aviation gasoline, turbo aircraft engines, and
synthetic rubber. He was convicted of conspiracy aginst the U.S.
Miriam Moscowitz, an associate of Brothman, was convicted.
Julius Rosenberg, an electrical engineer, not only stole plans for the
highly secret proximity fuse, but, as has been recently discovered,
stole the fuse itself and delivered it to his Soviet handlers. He was an
active espionage recruiter and also aided in the theft of numerous other
important atomic secrets. He was convicted and sentenced to death.
Ethel Rosenberg, wife of Julius, and sister to David greenglass, was
convicted of the same charges. The Rosenbergs were executed on June
19,1953.
Morten Sobell, passed secret radar information to Rosenberg. He was
convicted of conspiracy to commit espionage and sentenced to thirty
years.
It should be noted that the chief of the Los Alamos atomic installation
was Robert Oppenheimer, a Jew, who was recently confirmed as a communist
agent by former high-ranking KGB official, Pavel Sudoplatov (not a Jew,
but married to a Jewess), in his book - Special Tasks.
"Second-String Politburo": After the convictions of the first-string,
"American Politburo", a second-string was scheduled to take over the
communist operations. In 1951, the Justice Department indicted the whole
group. The new group consisted of 21 members, 14 of which were Jews:
Israel Amtor, Marian Maxwell, Isadore Begun, Alexander Bittelman, George
Charney, Betty Gannett, Simon Gerson, Victory Jerome, Jacob Mindel,
Alexander Trachenberg, Louis Weinstock, William Weinstone, Fred Fine,
William Marron, Sidney Steinberg.
Of the non-Jews indicted, James Jackson, Petty Perris, and Claudia
Jones, were negroes.
"The Round-up": On July 1951, the FBI arrested 15 leading communists
party officials on the West Coast. A few days later, five more leaders
were arrested on the East Coast. All were charged with conspiracy to
overthrow the U.S. government. Of the 15 arrested on the West Coast, six
were identified as Jews:
Henry Steinberg, Rose Chernin, Frank Carlson, Benjamin Dobbs, Frank
Spector, Al Richmond, and Carl Lambert.
Four of five of those arrested in the East were Jews:
Regina Frankfeld, George Meyers, Philip Frankfeld, and Rose Blumberg.
That concludes the summary of the bigger cases against communists in
the 1950's. It is worth mentioning three Aryans: Whittaker Chambers,
Elizabeth Bentley ("The Red Spy Queen"), and Vanderbilt Fields. All
three later renounced their affiliations with the communist party and
provided valuable information and testimony that lead to investigations
and convictions. Not coincidentally, all three of these former
communists were married to Jews.
Western Imperative Network http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/.
Ian McKinney
Thomas Mohr wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Nov 1997 16:09:02 -0500, Ian McKinney <i...@usaor.net>
> wrote:
> >Big deal! The fact is that Germany hadn't done anything to England.
>
> Except a big heap of broken treaties (so far to the honesty of the
> Nazis) and a massive verbal threatening. Face it, Poland was an
> English ALLY.
It was a stupid treaty and hardly a justification for expanding a
relatively localized, central European conflict into a world war.
>
> >Hitler wanted the Jews out of Western Europe and back into southern
> >Rusia where they came. Anyone who has read Hitler's ideas understands
> >that. If Hitler had merely wanted their extermination, it would have
> >been done. The facilities existed where whole trainloads of Jews could
> >have been gassed at one time, but were never used for that.
>
> What a bullshit. Later Jews couldn't emmigrate even if they WANTED to
> do it.
Many Jews left Germany. Some went to Palestine, others to surrounding
countries.
> Jews in Russia ? Hitler always said that this is "Lebensraum im
> Osten" Livingspace in the East. For Jews ? No, for GERMANS !!! With
> the Russian "aboriginees" as their slaves.
Jews were to go farther to the east, although I don't recall it
specifically mentioned, they would have probably been relocated to the
old Jewish Pale of Settlement. That's a long way from Germany and the
point of origin of most of Europe's Jews.
> Face it, Hitler often spoke of the eradication of Jews, the word in
> German is "ausmerzen". I don't know if you're proficient enough in
> German, but in German (and German is a VERY exact language) that word
> clearly means an eradication without any traces to be left. In one
> word: killing.
There's been a lot of discussion on the particular words used in
reference to Jewish affairs under Hitler, and what these words meant in
their particular context. Nonetheless, I know one thing from reading
about Hitler, and that's that he said many things on many different
occasions which were merely his thinking out loud, or said for the sake
of whatever audience was present. People who knew him well understood
this idiosyncrasy. Most people who read something Hitler said in some
particular speech or conversation assume it's gospel and that it
actually came about. The truth in many cases is just the opposite.
> >I really belive that if the war wouldn't have occurred, the Jews would
> >have been relocated somewhere and we wouldn't have a Jewish problem in
> >the West. Maybe the Jews wouldn't have liked being forced out of their
> >fat status in Germany, but I think most rational folks would agree that
> >the Germans had a right to determine who would live in their country.
>
> Well, the Jews have been "relocated" by Hitler - right through the
> chimneys of the concentration camps.
50 million people died of all nationalities. The whole war was a
catastrophe of giant proportions from which our race hasn't recovered
and probably won't. Jewish deaths are not nearly as important to me as
all the millions of White gentiles who died without ever having a chance
to produce children.
hmurdock
In article <347909...@earthlink.net>, sanl...@earthlink.net wrote:
> MS : They deserved it. Germany deserved worse in fact.
Why not click on http://www.natvan.com/FREESP/FREE953.HTML and find out
about what really happened to Dresden. At that website, you can also order
David Irving's book "The Destruction of Dresden."
> > >>It's that sort of hatred which prompted Allied air raids of Dresden
> > >>and Hamburg, the carpet bombings of two strategically meaningless
> > >>cities inhabited only by women, children, and the convalescent.
> > >>Dresden was bombed when WWII was basically over with, resulting in
> > >>over 200,000-300,000 unarmed German civilians dead. Hamburg's
> > >>casualties were even more.
>
> MS : One could never tell looking at that giant brothel known as Hamburg
> these days. Anyway I quite like Hamburg. Its one of my favourite cities
> in Deutschland. But those nasty nazis tried to shut down its entire
> raison d'etre.
Let's get this straight-the "raison d'etre" for a German city is to provide
a wandering Jew with prostitutes. But if the people try to put a stop to
it, and take their country back, they deserve to be exterminated.
You admit that your father's belief that all non-Jewish women were whores
came from the Talmud. Yet, you seem to view the world as one great brothel
and porno
store for your enjoyment.
What is it that you said you really hated about white South Africa? No porn
or prostitution, wasn't it?
> I'm sure if they had known what I would have done to
> their granddaughters they would have thrown up their hands in defeat and
> admitted that their work was useless and gone back to molesting their
> daughters who thus became whores and so did their daughters.
Of course, but didn't your father believe that this was true for all non-Jews?
And haven't you said that this is why you believe he mistreated you and
your mother?
Wasn't it you that said Larry Flynt promotes "positve values?" (like
"Chester the Molester."?)
Wasn't it his daughter that accused him of molesting her?
Have you ever thought of appearing on daytime TV talk shows?
> >The Allied rape of German women was done
> >to hundreds of thousands of women.
> MS : Were they asking for it ?
That's really a sick thing to say. No woman "asks" to be raped.
Regards,
HM
Western Imperative Network
http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm
PS-No, Mike, you can't join! :)
Michael Snider
hmurdock wrote:
>
> In article <347909...@earthlink.net>, sanl...@earthlink.net wrote:
>
>
> > MS : They deserved it. Germany deserved worse in fact.
>
> Why not click on http://www.natvan.com/FREESP/FREE953.HTML and find out
> about what really happened to Dresden. At that website, you can also order
> David Irving's book "The Destruction of Dresden."
>
> > > >>It's that sort of hatred which prompted Allied air raids of Dresden
> > > >>and Hamburg, the carpet bombings of two strategically meaningless
> > > >>cities inhabited only by women, children, and the convalescent.
> > > >>Dresden was bombed when WWII was basically over with, resulting in
> > > >>over 200,000-300,000 unarmed German civilians dead. Hamburg's
> > > >>casualties were even more.
> >
> > MS : One could never tell looking at that giant brothel known as Hamburg
> > these days. Anyway I quite like Hamburg. Its one of my favourite cities
> > in Deutschland. But those nasty nazis tried to shut down its entire
> > raison d'etre.
>
> Let's get this straight-the "raison d'etre" for a German city is to provide
> a wandering Jew
with prostitutes.
MS : Have you ever been to Hamburg ? I doubt you have ever been there
if you don't believe this. Hey, I saw shit there that would never be
even tolerated in Amsterdam. Its a wide open city. The sex trade is a
major part of what that city is about. I take it you've probably never
been out of the San Fernando Valley.
But if the people try to put a stop to
> it, and take their country back,
are doing it and profiting from it. Why would they want to put a stop
from something that is a major source of income for them ? And I didn't
see it being controlled by anyone else. True, there are plenty of
foreigners in Hamburg, but it's a port city - what do you expect ? And
any port city in the world is always going to have those sorts of
businesses. Why would anyone want to put a stop to it ? Unless they're
interested in trashing their country as Fidel Castro did with Havana -
and of course in his case putting a stop to it was only temporary.
Anyway I thought you guys thought Castro was a race traitor - that would
mean that Hitler was even worse of a race traitor. Why do you have one
standard for Fidel and another for Schickelgruber ? As evil as Castro is
Adolf was much worse.
>
> You admit that your father's belief that all non-Jewish women were whores
> came from the Talmud.
> and porno
> store for your enjoyment.
should not be eliminated, but is far from the only part of life. If
that's all I was into I would think that the nordic nations were the
greatest places on earth. Its only one small part of life - but one that
is essential. Remember what Errol Flynn said about a distinguished house
of joy being as representative of a nation's culture as a museum ? Human
experience is sufficiently wide enough to never tire the person with a
lust for living.
> or prostitution, wasn't it?
nations that I could not have given a fuck about. And in terms of lost
white empires I see its " loss " as not having been anywhere near the
loss of old Algeria. That colonial paradise for Europeans was not cursed
with a viscous Calvinism that prohibited sensual pleasure, but instead a
healthy Mediterranean zeal for life. In both places the locals were
treated like shit, but I see SA as much less to mourn over than
L'Algerie. Actually I could not give a flying shit about hardcore porn,
as that is just a cheap sub for the real thing. I prefer the real thing.
However SA went far beyond prohibiting hardcore, all the way to
prohibiting Playboy and Penthouse and the books of Henry Miller and
Charles Bukowski. I feel no pity.
> > I'm sure if they had known what I would have done to
> > their granddaughters they would have thrown up their hands in defeat and
> > admitted that their work was useless and gone back to molesting their
> > daughters who thus became whores and so did their daughters.
>
> Of course, but didn't your father believe that this was true for all non-Jews?
> And haven't you said that this is why you believe he mistreated you and
> your mother?
interest dictating thusly. I have a great deal of respect for those
women who deserve it. Do not think that I think that all women are
whores - merely the overwhelming majority of women in certain
countries, and probably a simple majority of the total. And Jew/non-Jew
has nothing to do with it. I've met Jewish women who were the biggest
whores in the world. My mother is a woman of the highest character
possible. I would say that Italian and mediterranean women in general
are often of a high character - even the prostitute in those countries
can be. There are all different types of women in the world.The family I
lived with in Madrid were of the highest possible character next to my
own mother. My Spanish ex-girlfriend was of a high character. So was my
Aussie fiancee who was technically " nordic " if Celts are included.
It's really more of an American thing and certain other places in the
world, than anything else.
> "Chester the Molester."?)
humour. I have more respect for Larry Flynt than his 1930s German
equivalent Julius Streicher. I would say for the most part he
promotes positive values compared to you guys. Hardcore porn is not my
thing but I have
no desire to ban porn mags.
> Wasn't it his daughter that accused him of molesting her?
had asked my father about my mother, her family, and myself, he un-
doubtedly would have said they " degraded his purity " or some shit,
and did this or that. Accusations like this pop up all the time. His
daughter wanted more money out of him and she wouldn't give it to
him. You obviously do not know how many parasites flock around
someone who is a success, sometimes they are from one's own family.
> Have you ever thought of appearing on daytime TV talk shows?
yet ? Oh, I forgot, there's only five members.
> > >to hundreds of thousands of women.
>
> > MS : Were they asking for it ?
>
> That's really a sick thing to say. No woman "asks" to be raped.
> Regards,
> HM
>
> Western Imperative Network
>
> PS-No, Mike, you can't join! :)
sickest and most decadent political philosophy ever created.
Brian Smith
nospam.th...@univie.ac.at (Thomas Mohr) wrote:
>On Tue, 25 Nov 1997 16:13:10 -0500, Ian McKinney <i...@usaor.net>
>wrote:
>>Yes, we saw you're posting. You conveiniently left out the part about
>>Germany's sweeping of foreign markets was making people in London and
>>Wall Street pretty nervous. His barter plan for overseas trade really
>>gave then them fits. A system of trade without the need to borrow money.
>>Horrors!
>Ian, you're not only ignorant of science, but also on history and
>economy. Everybody (maybe except you) knows, that the German economy
>between 1933 and 1939 had to serve rearmamation and was gradually
>turned into a WAR economy. (i.e. a planned economy and not a free
>market economy).
Bullshit. Hitler put back to work over 5.5 million Germans without
any significant rearmament. It was actually America which used
rearmament to pull itself out the depression, not Germany.
Germany's armament production at the beginning of WWII was
approximately half that of France, and considerably less than
Britain's. Your claim that Hitler's economy was based on war
production is a total myth. Another one bites the dust...
Brian Smith
nospam.th...@univie.ac.at (Thomas Mohr) wrote:
>On Tue, 25 Nov 1997 02:04:40 GMT, sbr...@micron.net (Brian Smith)
>wrote:
>>Jews weren't even mentioned in the NSDAP program. As always, you're
>>an ignoramus and your "knowledge" of the National Socialism and WWII
>>comes straight from 50 year-old propaganda.
>Yes, but they are mentioned VERY often in "Mein Kampf" which was
>equally important to the NSDAP program ...
I've asked you to produce even -one- quote from Mein Kampf which
promoted the extermination of the Jews, just one. You, as usual,
continue to run away from this request to back up your idiotic, false
claims. Ho-hum.
The NDSAP didn't mention Jews even once in their entire platform.
_Mein Kampf_ was Hitler's own testament. It wasn't government policy.
You don't squat about National Socialist Germany.
>>Yeah, that's why the UK and France declared war on Germany first.
>>Uh-huh.
>In fulfillment of their promises to Poland. Did you forget ? GERMAN
>troups ordered by Hitler and his Nazis fired the first shots.
Yeah, and I noticed the Allies didn't do a damn thing when the Soviet
Union invaded Finland. The Allies were hypocrites, pure and simple.
There was nothing special or novel or "evil" about Hitler's invasion
of Poland. Poland had large numbers of Germans living there. The
Allies simply went out of their way to blow it up into a massive war.
And yes, the UK and France declared war on Germany FIRST.
Brian Smith
"T.M." <skm...@aol.com> wrote:
>Brian Smith wrote:
>> National Socialism was the most successful economic program in
>> Germany's history. It cut out the Jewish financial middle-man, and
>> allowed the German government to issue currency free of international
>> debt. Germany was dominating foreign trade markets as a result.
>> That's one of the main reasons why the Allies hated Germany so much.
>Okay, Brian, let's look at the German "econnomy wonder" in the 30ies. in
>1933, Germany had a small army, some old navy vessels and almost no
>airforce. In 1939 they had the most powerful airforce in Europe, a well
>equipped and large army and they had built are were building 2
>battleships (Bismarck and Tirpitz) 2 battlecruisers (Scharnhorst and
>Gneisenau) several heavy cruisers and several "pocket battelships".
Germany in 1939 wasn't even up to half of their war-making production.
Their armament production was a fraction of that Britian and France.
The fact is, they didn't want war.
>Not
>to mention the personal costs for the increased staff. Do you know what
>that means, economically speaking ? That means that a big part of the
>budget went straight into the army. Further that means, that a big part
>of the German economy worked for the army. Finally that means that quite
>a large part of the economy was blocked with producing army goods
>instead of goods for export or consumption. Well, army supply gives no
>overall profit for the economy. The result was a weak currency which
>with lesser and lesser gold reserves behind it.
To the contrary, Germany's currency was the strongest in the world.
It was entirely independent of international financier debt. Germany
issued money at will. Germany's currency was based direclty on the
strength of the Germany labor force, as it should be, not only
speculation. Germany as a result was able to give low-interest loans
to new families, sent millions of people to art shows, movies, cruises
sporting events, etc.
Germany's labor force wasn't even as involved in war-making as France
and England, and yet it's economy was far stronger. Even the
international banking houses admitted that if Hitler was allowed to
continue, all of Europe would follow suit and the entire international
banking empire would collapse.
Call me on this, Thomas. Come on, baby.
Brian Smith
nospam.th...@univie.ac.at (Thomas Mohr) wrote:
>On Sun, 23 Nov 1997 01:41:47 -0600, pbi...@jps.net wrote:
>>France and England declared war on Germany after hostilities broke out
>>between Germany and Poland. They English and French did nothing to
>>defend Poland. If they were so intent on the defense of Poland, why
>>didn't they declare war on the USSR, as Stalin invaded Poland at the same
>>time?
>Wrong: They declared war after and BECAUSE Germany INVADED Poland.
You never answered the question, Tommy: how come the Allies attacked
Germany and not the USSR, for invading Poland? Both countries invaded
Poland, yet only Germany was attacked. Hmmm.... And the USSR also
invaded Finland and the Allies =still= did nothing.
Sounds like the Allies were mainly out to get Germany, to me.
>> >Who declared the elimination of Jews from Europe as a goal ?
>>
>>Hitler did support removing Jews from Europe. So did the Zionists. They
>>believed the Jewish population of Europe should have been relocated to
>>Palestine.
>So why didn't he let them simply emigrate without their fortune ? It
>would have saved hima a lot of troubles ? Face it, Hitler WANTED the
>extermination of Jews.
Actually Hitler allowed thousands of Jews to emigrate -with- their
fortunes to Palestine, up until 1939. It was a transfer agreement
struck between Hitler and Jews(!) Yeah, some extermination plan.
Damn Thomas, your grasp of the facts here are horrendous, as usual.
Brian Smith
nospam.th...@univie.ac.at (Thomas Mohr) wrote:
>On Tue, 25 Nov 1997 16:09:02 -0500, Ian McKinney <i...@usaor.net>
>wrote:
>>Big deal! The fact is that Germany hadn't done anything to England.
>Except a big heap of broken treaties (so far to the honesty of the
>Nazis) and a massive verbal threatening.
So what. The fact is, the UK and France went out of their way to
attack Germany, and let the USSR off the hook, scot-free for doing the
same damn thing. And you no double standard in this? You're a
one-sided, biased idiot.
>Face it, Poland was an English ALLY.
Then by your reason, Hitler was justified for invading Poland since it
contained millions of ethnic Germans. He was only coming to the aid
of his allies, nay, his very own countrymen.
You can try to justify it all day, but the fact is, the UK and France
didn't have to attack Germany. It was the Allies who blew up the
Polish incidence into a world war. That's exactly what they wanted.
>Face it, Hitler often spoke of the eradication of Jews, the word in
>German is "ausmerzen". I don't know if you're proficient enough in
>German, but in German (and German is a VERY exact language) that word
>clearly means an eradication without any traces to be left. In one
>word: killing.
I'd like to see your proof please. Just like you promised to produce
proof of your claim that Hitler's _Mein Kampf_ repeatedly advocates
the extermination of Jews.
More lies, with no back up.
>Well, the Jews have been "relocated" by Hitler - right through the
>chimneys of the concentration camps.
More holohoax bullshit. What a crock.
For some truth on these matters:
http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website
http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite
http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site
http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The
Leuchter Report
http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving
http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust
(Bradley Smith)
http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz
http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball)
http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute
http://www.codoh.com/rudolf/rudreport/rudreport.html
Thomas Mohr
On Wed, 26 Nov 1997 04:53:31 GMT, sbr...@micron.net (Brian Smith)
wrote:
< snip >
>You never answered the question, Tommy: how come the Allies attacked
>Germany and not the USSR, for invading Poland? Both countries invaded
>Poland, yet only Germany was attacked. Hmmm.... And the USSR also
>invaded Finland and the Allies =still= did nothing.
>
>Sounds like the Allies were mainly out to get Germany, to me.
Understandably. With that record of dishonesties, broken treaties and
lies.
>Actually Hitler allowed thousands of Jews to emigrate -with- their
>fortunes to Palestine, up until 1939. It was a transfer agreement
>struck between Hitler and Jews(!) Yeah, some extermination plan.
To palestine with their fortune ? Ever heard of the
"Reichsfluchtsteuer" ?
>Damn Thomas, your grasp of the facts here are horrendous, as usual.
Brian, learn English. it should read "Damn Thomas, your grasp of the
facts IS horrendous, as usual" horrendous relates to grasp, and not to
facts.
So far to your grasp of anything.
Thomas Mohr
On Wed, 26 Nov 1997 05:00:42 GMT, sbr...@micron.net (Brian Smith)
wrote:
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>You can try to justify it all day, but the fact is, the UK and France
>didn't have to attack Germany. It was the Allies who blew up the
>Polish incidence into a world war. That's exactly what they wanted.
They should have attacked Hitler after Hitler seized Czechoslowakia
and Austria. And we should have shot on these invadres. It would have
made things a lot easier after the war.