Experts are predicting the next mega earthquake will be the
Pacific coast of the United States possibly within days, weeks
or months. Placing the Ring of fire at the source for the
rumblings starting in Chile in 2010, New Zeland last month and
now Japan just last week.
Unfortunately, the credibility of this prediction comes with a
substantial amount of weight. Berkland believes that's about to
change. He told as much to Cavuto: "The month of October, March,
and April are the three most devastating earthquakes in terms of
damage in the San Francisco Bay Area in history. And we are
having on the 19th of this month not only the full moon, but
within an hour the closest approach of the moon to the earth
until the year 2016. The next day is the equinoctial tides. So
you're bringing together three of the maximum tide raising
forces. We know about the ocean tides. But there is also an
Earth tide. And there is a tide in the ground water. All of
these help to release sudden, built up strain, and cause
earthquakes."
肘n South America the Nazca plate is colliding with the South
American plate. This has created the Andes and volcanoes such as
Cotopaxi and Azul.
肘n Central America, the tiny Cocos plate is crashing into the
North American plate and is therefore responsible for the
Mexican volcanoes of Popocatepetl and Paricutun (which rose up
from a cornfield in 1943 and became a instant mountains).
稗etween Northern California and British Columbia, the Pacific,
Juan de Fuca, and Gorda plates have built the Cascades and the
infamous Mount Saint Helens, which erupted in 1980.
柊laska's Aleutian Islands are growing as the Pacific plate hits
the North American plate. The deep Aleutian Trench has been
created at the subduction zone with a maximum depth of 25,194
feet (7679 meters).
彦rom Russia's Kamchatka Peninsula to Japan, the subduction of
the Pacific plate under the Eurasian plate is responsible for
Japanese islands and volcanoes (such as Mt. Fuji).
謬he final section of the Ring of Fire exists where the Indo-
Australian plate subducts under the Pacific plate and has
created volcanoes in the New Guinea and Micronesian areas. Near
New Zealand, the Pacific Plate slides under the Indo-Australian
plate.
Bzzzt.
This month was merely the first simultaneous full moon and perigee
moon in a while.
Perigee can't shift; it merely happens once a month, not always at
full moon. Asking the fullness of the moon to create earthquakes
requires its position opposite the Sun to somehow pull on the earth's
crust, with the tides. This also happens once a month.
> This month was merely the first simultaneous full moon and perigee
> moon in a while.
>
> Perigee can't shift; it merely happens once a month, not always at
> full moon. Asking the fullness of the moon to create earthquakes
> requires its position opposite the Sun to somehow pull on the earth's
> crust, with the tides. This also happens once a month.
I will agree that the current "supermoon" is hardly likely to make
very much difference, one way or another, to the danger of an
earthquake in Southern California.
I do think that with all the other earthquakes relieving strain
elsewhere around the Pacific plate, though, that definitely does leave
room for displacement creating additional strain at the San Andreas
fault. That there could be an earthquake there sometime in the next
year seems all too plausible to me as a result of this - but it's by
no means certain.
After all, there _was_ a Los Angeles earthquake a couple decades ago.
I don't know how much strain that relieved - it might be that area is
ahead of the game, and there'll have to be another cycle (or two) of
earthquakes in Chile, New Zealand, and Japan before the Pacific plate
starts pulling on the San Andreas fault.
Or maybe the pull there has increased - but it's stuck pretty hard,
and so again another few cycles of earthquakes elsewhere is needed...
and then there will be a particularly big and devastating Southern
California earthquake, sometime fifty years from now.
All I can say is that it seems to me, in my ignorance, that the risk
probably does have to be regarded as somewhat elevated in the next
year or so. By how much, I have no idea.
John Savard
> This month was merely the first simultaneous full moon and peri-
> gee moon in a while.
>
> Perigee can't shift; it merely happens once a month, not always at
> full moon. Asking the fullness of the moon to create earthquakes
> requires its position opposite the Sun to somehow pull on the earth's
> crust, with the tides. This also happens once a month.
True. And while THIS perigee was the closest one in 19 years
(and that happens every 19 years), the difference in the distance
between the earth and the moon at a perigee such as this, and
that of an average perigee, is not enough to add enough gravi-
tational pull on the earth's crust to induce quakes. The ONLY pos-
sible way that it could trigger one is if a plate/fault slippage were
already within a hair's breadth of occurring, and needled just the
SLIGHTEST extra boost.
Actually, the gravitational forces of a NEW moon at perigee are
the greatest ones, whenever it happens, because then the pulls of
BOTH the sun AND the moon are being exerted upon the SAME side
of the earth, simultaneously.
Anyone wanting to roll the dice on the moon's having enough
influence to possibly push an impending quake over the tipping
point might want to home in on May 26, 2017, plus-or-minus 72
hours or so... the next time a "supermoon" perigee will occur as a
NEW moon. And that's not likely to be mentioned by the media any-
where, because unlike the "supermoon" phenomenon we just had,
we won't be able to visibly SEE that one.
Distance* on 3-19-11: 356,577 km.
Distance on 6-26-17: 357,209 km.
* from center of the moon to center of the earth.
In miles, this works out to the distance from earth to moon
that we just saw was merely 365 miles closer this time than the
one in 2017 will be. For dice-rollers, that's negligible. The
summed pulls on one side of the earth that'll happen in 2017
would be of more importance, making the 2017 one stronger,
gravitationally, than the 2011 one just was.
To see these data for yourself, go to:
http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/pacalc.html
Since there are FAR greater forces at work in the earth's
crust than lunar and solar gravitational pulls, I wouldn't want
to BASE a quake prediction on them. But if a quake WERE to
occur very close to 5-26-17, I wouldn't rule out the possibility
that an imminent one could have been pushed over the edge
by the additional force imparted by those.
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I doubt the combined lunar and equinoctal factors increase the odds of
a quake by as much as 1/10th of 1 percent, but it is clear that the
Rim of Fire is going through an active phrase, and the West Coast is
due for a major quake.
But I doubt we'll see it in the next few days.
You mean like... the solar and lunar tides being aligned when the lunar
tides are at their maximum? Hm. And if it could be arranged that
the earth be at perihelion at about that time...
"Well, it was about that time that I notice that girl scout was about
eight stories tall and was a crustacean from the protozoic era.
"The Loch Ness monster."
"I said, "Dammit monster! Get off my lawn!""
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>http://coupmedia.org/earthquakes/mega-earthquake-san-francisco-2011-1703
>
>Experts are predicting the next mega earthquake will be the
>Pacific coast of the United States possibly within days, weeks
>or months.
> we are
>having on the 19th of this month not only the full moon, but
>within an hour the closest approach of the moon to the earth
>until the year 2016. The next day is the equinoctial tides. So
>you're bringing together three of the maximum tide raising
>forces. We know about the ocean tides. But there is also an
>Earth tide. And there is a tide in the ground water. All of
>these help to release sudden, built up strain, and cause
>earthquakes."
Thank you for predicting the great San Francisco quake of the 19th or
the 20th.
On the 21st. You do see the problem here, don't you?
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Tomorrow is today already.
Greg Goss, 1989-01-27
> : Perigee can't shift; it merely happens once a month, not always at
> : full moon. Asking the fullness of the moon to create earthquakes
> : requires its position opposite the Sun to somehow pull on the earth's
> : crust, with the tides.
>
> You mean like... the solar and lunar tides being aligned when the lunar
> tides are at their maximum? Hm. And if it could be arranged that
> the earth be at perihelion at about that time...
Maybe. But...
We know the exact times of millions of earthquakes of all sizes...
...and we know the exact orbit of the Moon.
If there were a correlation, a trivial sift of the data would reveal
it.
INTERESTING food for thought!
:: You mean like... the solar and lunar tides being aligned when the
:: lunar tides are at their maximum? Hm. And if it could be
:: arranged that the earth be at perihelion at about that time...
: Phlip <phli...@gmail.com>
: Maybe. But...
: We know the exact times of millions of earthquakes of all sizes...
: ....and we know the exact orbit of the Moon.
: If there were a correlation, a trivial sift of the data would reveal it.
True. Has anybody bothered to look (as opposed to just
asserting it is so amid many cracking pots)?
I suspect somebody has, and found no correlation.
And even if nobody has, it's most likely there's nothing to it.
But anybody have cites or sites to hand, demonstrating such a sift?
> You mean like... the solar and lunar tides being aligned when the lunar
> tides are at their maximum? Hm. And if it could be arranged that
> the earth be at perihelion at about that time...
When the Moon is in the seventh house, and Jupiter aligns with Mars...
Some people believe that even now, there soon may be Earth Changes
inaugurating the New Age.
John Savard
I checked the headers of your post. It didn't come from Cal Tech.
So you were lying before you even go to the content of your post.
I won't bother commenting on the "super moon" junk, since others
have already done so.
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>
> Experts are predicting the next mega earthquake will be the
> Pacific coast of the United States possibly within days, weeks
> or months.
>
According to the National Geographic show I just watched ..
Seattle and N. Calif ... dudes -- YOU SO SOO FUCKED.
The entire 600 mile coast will shift 38 -- *38* feet *East* ..
THAT IS CORRECT : THIRTY EIGHT FEET !
in
> Guess when <
XX Days !
COMING SOON !
You dope heads are sooooo FUCKED.
Ocean front propriety is opening up in Nevada shortly !
Call me for 1st come, 1st serve -- Deal of the DAY !
Palpay me early for 1st selections !
> According to the National Geographic show I just watched ..
> Seattle and N. Calif ... dudes -- YOU SO SOO FUCKED.
Props for watching educational television!
> The entire 600 mile coast will shift 38 -- *38* feet *East* ..
>
> THAT IS CORRECT : THIRTY EIGHT FEET !
Up and down, or sideways?
>
> in
>
> > Guess when <
>
> XX Days !
>
> COMING SOON !
National Geographic knows better than to predict an earthquake in
days.
But their TV shows will be careful to mention that it "COULD BE
tomorrow".
You understand odds and probabilities, right?
NatGeo has it wrong. When the Really Really Big One hits its gonna be
all you easterns who are bleeped 'cause everything east of the San
Andreas fault is gonna fall into the Atlantic! *MWAHAHAHAHA*
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accident. Which is more or less what happened. It's a "suspect
terrane," and once it was a small island. The North American
Plate picked it up while moving westward and now it sits on dry
(mostly) land, a few hundred meters from San Francisco Bay.
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Well, I think DT was "channeling" Isaac Asimov.
IIRC Isaac Asimov had a short story where a scientist's research had
predicted that the "Big One" was going to happened and everything west
of the fault would fall into the Pacific.
In the story, he wasn't that sure that the research was correct and
everybody else said that it wouldn't happen.
When the story ends, everybody who said it wouldn't happened had fled
east and the scientist was about the only person west of the fault.
He looks eastward after the "Big One" to see ocean and said "I guess I
was wrong". [Very Big Grin]
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Now shush, both of you, before you ruin all my fun. :-P
EAST. Son.
Your sense of direction matches your dull intelligence.
Back a week or so ago, when the popular press started running with the
idea that this was a special event, I did see an interview with an
appropriately Authoritative Geophysicist. The gist was, there *was* a
correlation, but it was almost lost in the noise. The AG commented
that the effect was actually lower than he expected.
pt
>Well, I think DT was "channeling" Isaac Asimov.
>IIRC Isaac Asimov had a short story where a scientist's research had
>predicted that the "Big One" was going to happened and everything west
>of the fault would fall into the Pacific.
>In the story, he wasn't that sure that the research was correct and
>everybody else said that it wouldn't happen.
>When the story ends, everybody who said it wouldn't happened had fled
>east and the scientist was about the only person west of the fault.
>He looks eastward after the "Big One" to see ocean and said "I guess I
>was wrong". [Very Big Grin]
Ben Bova, ``A Slight Miscalculation''. But the story,
besides having a certain Asimovian flair, was reprinted in the
Asimov-edited _Laughing Space_, which is a good way to get his name
attached to it.
(ObBookerTWashington: Asimov says, ``I wish I'd written that
story!'' Clarke says, ``Ah, you will, Ike, you will.'')
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> Don't be silly. Even what's west of the San Andreas won't fall
> into the Pacific. It will just move a little further northwest.
Yes, that is true, even in the case of a truly disastrous earthquake.
The bit about falling into the Pacific, of course, came from the
ramblings of Edgar Cayce, which some people still take seriously these
days.
John Savard
No, I didn't forget that, I didn't know it.
> I've been out to Point Reyes many times where one can
>still see where separate halves of fields shifted during the 1906 quake
>taking fences with them.
I haven't been there, but I've seen lots of pictures.
>> I've been out to Point Reyes many times where one can
>> still see where separate halves of fields shifted during the 1906 quake
>> taking fences with them.
>
> I haven't been there, but I've seen lots of pictures.
>
Unfortunately the tail of the cow that was swallowed up by a giant crack
in the earth is not there anymore but they do have a nice plaque telling
its tale. :)
And the resulting wave will wipe out what didn't sink.
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I believe that DT's point is that the resulting tsunami, whilst particularly
bad for the BI and Europe, won't bounce off europe and travel back to the
western US.
I'm not sure that the resulting T would be that directional, myself, but
a quick glance at the NOAA maps for the Sendai T shows a deep falloff on
the edges of the wave front.
scott
Now Japan has liquefied land to contend with, and two tectonic plates
sinking at the same time can’t be a good sign, because it’s like
winding up a spring or overloading a monstrous teratonne diving board
that’s called the Pacific plate.
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>Some people believe that even now, there soon may be Earth Changes
>inaugurating the New Age.
http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2011/04/rep_dennis_kucinich_does_the_d.html
So, not likely I will be on that coast for a long long time. i did enjoy it
tho!