Something from Burt Henry
chris mcmillan
b.h. el Rey Lampago
I have a lot of things pending to post to the blind users, and
blind.soc groups, but can't get past the obnocious captchas that
Google puts in the way of usenet posters, but thought I'd mention that
the Korean and lucky you.. it's like the UN around here comments seem
less than apropriate for a non-racist usenet group. I am not Mr.
poli-correctness, but use your heads and hearts! There's a good
chance that some of the newer arrivals to your country come from
countries that may have few oppertunittys for VI folks.../maybe a
bit of outreach by you more fortunate guys and gals.
I'm blind, have been all my life; and been through all of it, but
having at least had a basic edu. in the U.S. haven't suffered like
people in non western european and north american lands. Also I'd
think with the British history of uninvited long term occupasion of
the seats of power in India, and other parts of Asia, and Africa, and
asorted islands, and the former American colonies,...xxx....oooShould
have a bit more tolerance for people from other parts of the world
coming to live a few generations in the foggy islands to the north.
Nothing at all against you guys posting content that is of little or
no interest to folks outside of the U.K., but easy on the English only
brit centric stuff. Chris, you sound like a probbably pretty nice
lady; and Brian, I sometimes enjoy your posts, but you really can
sound like a crochety old man at times, and I think you like the
sound of your own voice a bit too much.
If you are still reading, what can we do about all the spam that gets
run on theese groups/seen (or heard), alot worse, but there shouldn't
be any. And one last thing, all the long quotes and requotes are a
problem for the blind reader who follows the group/20 lines of
>>xxx>>s waste alot of time and ruin the vibe. A few snippettes are
good, but if one doesn't have the time to eddit, well let the nubie go
back and check the threads, please. I was taught that all this over
quoting on usenet is bad manners, and if that's changed, it shouldn't
change on a "blind" group. (screenreaders you know)
No Hard feelings,(I hope), and I hope soon toborrow someones eyes
for a few to get past the captchas and discuss a few things on the
open group.
Take care,
Burt Henry--Oaxaca Mexico>STanding on the moon; where talk is cheap
and vission's true...
Sincerely chris
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Chris McMillan
http://www.chinavision.org.uk/
http://www.oneplusone.org.cn�
Brian Gaff
we are not or he is misinterpreting what he sees. There was a message which
was posted in chinese or korean, my machine is not sure which. but in the
view of most of us, its not able to be understood as its not in English. If
people want mainly English speaking people to respond they have to write
using a language we can read A on our machines and B can understand as a
language.
There are groups and forums about for other languages, so I have really no
sympathy with people posting in foreign languages on a group which is
obviously meant for English speakers.
Brian
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Brian Gaff....Note, this account does not accept Bcc: email.
graphics are great, but the blind can't hear them
Email: bri...@blueyonder.co.uk
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chris mcmillan
<Bri...@blueyonder.co.uk> writes
>Well, I just do not know what he is on about. Either he is seeing messages
>we are not or he is misinterpreting what he sees. There was a message which
>was posted in chinese or korean, my machine is not sure which.
I haven't seen that - and unless the heading sounded genuine I wouldn't
have opened it. If one's machine isn't set up to read foreign scripts,
you get strings of capital letters and such like.
>
>but in the
>view of most of us, its not able to be understood as its not in English. If
>people want mainly English speaking people to respond they have to write
>using a language we can read A on our machines and B can understand as a
>language.
>
I don't mind how broken the English is as long as I can work out at
least a noun and a verb. And the very least I can do is go and search
Google for an english news item on the topic perhaps and certainly give
as much information on what organisations for the VI there are known in
the West (one of the RNIB's better legacies, the TIRSIAS agency site
though its no longer up-dated)
Sincerely Chris
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Chris McMillan
http://www.chinavision.org.uk/
bando?ers@gmail
English, Korean, or any other language
Brian Gaff wrote:
> Well, I just do not know what he is on about. Either he is seeing messages
> we are not or he is misinterpreting what he sees. There was a message which
> was posted in chinese or korean, my machine is not sure which.
Not talking about the bloody spam/I was referring to (whitecane posts)
and the like complaining about imigrants not understanding the rules
of the EU social correctness for the treatment of blind rules. I know
that when there are a lack of examples in a comunitty, then people
fall back on what ever stupid sterotypes they have to go on.
Sometimes folks don't see what is right in front of them because it is
so different from what they are used too.(somne sort of bleeping pscho-
trauma) People that don't have a clue about how to treat the
handicapped who have lived all their lives in the U.S. or U.K. or any
other "first world" country have much less excuse.
but in the
> view of most of us, its not able to be understood as its not in English. If
> people want mainly English speaking people to respond they have to write
> using a language we can read A on our machines and B can understand as a
> language.
The crap your are talking about was probbably sent by bots, not
people. We need a better spam filtering system on theese groups.
in foreign languages on a group which is
>Maybe non-english would be a better wording? The group is for English speakers, but not for English peopleonly.
And it is considdered bad form to include long taglines on usenet
posts. It is even harder on the blind reader, especially when most
people post uneddited quotes on this group/very boring and confusing
when you compare to a well chosen snip or two, or a one or two line
reminder of original posts.
bando?ers@gmail
English, Korean, or any other language
Brian Gaff wrote:
> Well, I just do not know what he is on about. Either he is seeing messages
> we are not or he is misinterpreting what he sees. There was a message which
> was posted in chinese or korean, my machine is not sure which.
Not talking about the bloody spam/I was referring to (whitecane posts)
and the like complaining about imigrants not understanding the rules
of the EU social correctness for the treatment of blind rules. I know
that when there are a lack of examples in a comunitty, then people
fall back on what ever stupid sterotypes they have to go on.
Sometimes folks don't see what is right in front of them because it is
so different from what they are used too.(somne sort of bleeping pscho-
trauma) People that don't have a clue about how to treat the
handicapped who have lived all their lives in the U.S. or U.K. or any
other "first world" country have much less excuse.
but in the
> view of most of us, its not able to be understood as its not in English. If
> people want mainly English speaking people to respond they have to write
> using a language we can read A on our machines and B can understand as a
> language.
The crap your are talking about was probbably sent by bots, not
people. We need a better spam filtering system on theese groups.
in foreign languages on a group which is
>Maybe non-english would be a better wording? The group is for English speakers, but not for English peopleonly.
And it is considdered bad form to include long taglines on usenet
posts. It is even harder on the blind reader, especially when most
people post uneddited quotes on this group/very boring and confusing
when you compare to a well chosen snip or two, or a one or two line
reminder of original posts.