Re: Another Battery Question
Guy Macon
Tiger Lily wrote:
>(about to get hammered by you know who, yet again)
Trying to pick a fight again, I see. Sorry; not interested.
go ahead an start without me.
Eli the Bearded
> Tiger Lily wrote:
>> (about to get hammered by you know who, yet again)
Devoid of all context, I can think of many ways to interpret that.
> Trying to pick a fight again, I see. Sorry; not interested.
> go ahead an start without me.
The quotes page for _What's Up Tiger Lily_ at imdb gives me this:
Phil Moscowitz: I'd call him a sadistic, hippophilic necrophile, but that
would be beating a dead horse.
Elijah
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notes the non-RFC compliant email address
Guy Macon
Eli the Bearded wrote:
>notes the non-RFC compliant email address
(General comments on this topic, not a specific reply to The Great Eli:)
While it is true that the email address in the From line of this
post is not RFC-compliant, it is a common misconception that such
email addresses as inv...@example.com, m...@privacy.net, or email
addresses with REMOVE-THIS or NOSPAM added are RFC-compliant.
RFC1036 (Standard for Interchange of USENET Messages), clearly states
in paragraph 2.1.1. that
"The 'From' line contains the electronic mailing address of the
person who sent the message..."
(Paragraph 2.1.3 of RFC850 says the same thing)
Thus *any* "munged" or otherwise bogus email address that does not go
to a valid email account that is read by a human is no more
RFC-compliant than the email address in the From line of this post
is.
The fact of the matter is that many people have wisely decided that
being RFC1036-compliant was OK back in December of 1987 when the RFC
was written, but that the Canter & Siegel Green card spam of April
1994 made it necessary to "munge" email addresses in USENET posts.
Folks who use email addresses such as nos...@nospam.com are often
advised to use email addresses based upon the reserved domain names
listed in RFC2606 (advice less often given but just as valid is to
use a bogus email address based upon a domain that you own), and
rightly so, but those who try to apply the same advice to my posts
don't quite understand the *reason* behind the oft-repeated advice to
use the reserved domain names listed in RFC2606.
The reason for the advice about RFC2606 domains is that, of the
various choices for munged email addresses, using domains that are
owned by someone else is especially harmful. It puts an extra load on
a server that someone owns, and costs that server owner money. The
RFC2606domains do not resolve to any server and thus do not cause
this sort of harm.
Many folks appear to assume, that RFC2606 addresses comply with the
RFCs for Usenet. They do not. does not. Only a valid email address at
account that is read by a human is compliant with RFC1036.
My choice of using a From line that does not parse as an email
address is no more RFC-non-compliant than inv...@example.com is.
Neither complies with paragraph 2.1.1 of RFC1036. My choice does have
two advantages over using an RFC2606 domain, though; first, it gives
the reader enough information to email me (my email address is at the
web page referenced). Second, it is not only not a valid email
address, but is also *obviously* invalid. This avoids the possibility
of someone composing and sending an email with no way of knowing that
it did not arrive.
Here is a Perl regular expression to test for RFC 822 compliance. :)
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)+|\Z|(?=[\["()<>@,;:\\".\[\]]))|"(?:[^\"\r\\]|\\.|(?:(?:\r\n)?[ \t]))*"(?:(?:
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?:\r\n)?[ \t])+|\Z|(?=[\["()<>@,;:\\".\[\]]))|"(?:[^\"\r\\]|\\.|(?:(?:\r\n)?[
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?[ \t])*)*\<(?:(?:\r\n)?[ \t])*(?:@(?:[^()<>@,;:\\".\[\] \000-\031]+(?:(?:(?:\
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?:(?:\r\n)?[ \t]))*"(?:(?:\r\n)?[ \t])*)*\<(?:(?:\r\n)?[ \t])*(?:@(?:[^()<>@,;
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^()<>@,;:\\".\[\] \000-\031]+(?:(?:(?:\r\n)?[ \t])+|\Z|(?=[\["()<>@,;:\\".\[\]
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?:(?:[^()<>@,;:\\".\[\] \000-\031]+(?:(?:(?:\r\n)?[ \t])+|\Z|(?=[\["()<>@,;:\\
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?:\r\n)?[ \t])*(?:[^()<>@,;:\\".\[\] \000-\031]+(?:(?:(?:\r\n)?[ \t])+|\Z|(?=[
\["()<>@,;:\\".\[\]]))|"(?:[^\"\r\\]|\\.|(?:(?:\r\n)?[ \t]))*"(?:(?:\r\n)?[ \t
])*))*@(?:(?:\r\n)?[ \t])*(?:[^()<>@,;:\\".\[\] \000-\031]+(?:(?:(?:\r\n)?[ \t
])+|\Z|(?=[\["()<>@,;:\\".\[\]]))|\[([^\[\]\r\\]|\\.)*\](?:(?:\r\n)?[ \t])*)(?
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\Z|(?=[\["()<>@,;:\\".\[\]]))|\[([^\[\]\r\\]|\\.)*\](?:(?:\r\n)?[ \t])*))*|(?:
[^()<>@,;:\\".\[\] \000-\031]+(?:(?:(?:\r\n)?[ \t])+|\Z|(?=[\["()<>@,;:\\".\[\
]]))|"(?:[^\"\r\\]|\\.|(?:(?:\r\n)?[ \t]))*"(?:(?:\r\n)?[ \t])*)*\<(?:(?:\r\n)
?[ \t])*(?:@(?:[^()<>@,;:\\".\[\] \000-\031]+(?:(?:(?:\r\n)?[ \t])+|\Z|(?=[\["
()<>@,;:\\".\[\]]))|\[([^\[\]\r\\]|\\.)*\](?:(?:\r\n)?[ \t])*)(?:\.(?:(?:\r\n)
?[ \t])*(?:[^()<>@,;:\\".\[\] \000-\031]+(?:(?:(?:\r\n)?[ \t])+|\Z|(?=[\["()<>
@,;:\\".\[\]]))|\[([^\[\]\r\\]|\\.)*\](?:(?:\r\n)?[ \t])*))*(?:,@(?:(?:\r\n)?[
\t])*(?:[^()<>@,;:\\".\[\] \000-\031]+(?:(?:(?:\r\n)?[ \t])+|\Z|(?=[\["()<>@,
;:\\".\[\]]))|\[([^\[\]\r\\]|\\.)*\](?:(?:\r\n)?[ \t])*)(?:\.(?:(?:\r\n)?[ \t]
)*(?:[^()<>@,;:\\".\[\] \000-\031]+(?:(?:(?:\r\n)?[ \t])+|\Z|(?=[\["()<>@,;:\\
".\[\]]))|\[([^\[\]\r\\]|\\.)*\](?:(?:\r\n)?[ \t])*))*)*:(?:(?:\r\n)?[ \t])*)?
(?:[^()<>@,;:\\".\[\] \000-\031]+(?:(?:(?:\r\n)?[ \t])+|\Z|(?=[\["()<>@,;:\\".
\[\]]))|"(?:[^\"\r\\]|\\.|(?:(?:\r\n)?[ \t]))*"(?:(?:\r\n)?[ \t])*)(?:\.(?:(?:
\r\n)?[ \t])*(?:[^()<>@,;:\\".\[\] \000-\031]+(?:(?:(?:\r\n)?[ \t])+|\Z|(?=[\[
"()<>@,;:\\".\[\]]))|"(?:[^\"\r\\]|\\.|(?:(?:\r\n)?[ \t]))*"(?:(?:\r\n)?[ \t])
*))*@(?:(?:\r\n)?[ \t])*(?:[^()<>@,;:\\".\[\] \000-\031]+(?:(?:(?:\r\n)?[ \t])
+|\Z|(?=[\["()<>@,;:\\".\[\]]))|\[([^\[\]\r\\]|\\.)*\](?:(?:\r\n)?[ \t])*)(?:\
.(?:(?:\r\n)?[ \t])*(?:[^()<>@,;:\\".\[\] \000-\031]+(?:(?:(?:\r\n)?[ \t])+|\Z
|(?=[\["()<>@,;:\\".\[\]]))|\[([^\[\]\r\\]|\\.)*\](?:(?:\r\n)?[ \t])*))*\>(?:(
?:\r\n)?[ \t])*))*)?;\s*)
Note: This regular expression will only validate addresses that have
had any comments stripped and replaced with whitespace.)
--
Guy Macon
<http://www.GuyMacon.com/>
Eli the Bearded
>> notes the non-RFC compliant email address
> (General comments on this topic, not a specific reply to The Great Eli:)
A good write-up, but incomplete in some details.
> While it is true that the email address in the From line of this
> post is not RFC-compliant, it is a common misconception that such
> email addresses as inv...@example.com, m...@privacy.net, or email
> addresses with REMOVE-THIS or NOSPAM added are RFC-compliant.
While this is true, I was more amused by the From address that would
not pass muster with many typical news installations. If I tried
to post with something like that, the news server would reject my
post with the error message "From: address not in Internet syntax",
quaintly thinking I'm trying to use some archaic form of from address.
I realize that some larger Usenet providers these days have specifically
relaxed the standards checks due to the desire of some to spam munge.
> Here is a Perl regular expression to test for RFC 822 compliance. :)
Without testing it, I suspect this is Abigail's computer generated
regexp, which has the flaw of rejecting non-compliant addresses which
do typically work. RFC822 disallows any address that has with a period
right before the at sign, but I have never found an MTA that would not
accept that.
When I do syntax checks on email addresses, I just apply the equivilent
of this regular expression (in Perl, you will need to escape the @):
.@.+\..+
Note that this will reject several obscure classes of "valid"
addresses:
* email addresses at top level domains are not forbidden, but
I don't think anyone ever uses them. I do recall one Pir
wishing (pie-in-the-sky wishes) to get the delegation for
Iran's name service to give himself <p@ir>, which would
probably need to be written <p@ir.> to be safe anyway.
* domain literals with no dots in the ip address part.
By RFC822, <eli@[2790523209]> is an email address of mine,
but I believe panix's mail servers will reject that. The
use of domain literals in From address has always been
discouraged.
Elijah
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"rcpt to: eli@[2790523209]" => "501 Bad address syntax"