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Bertrand Clerc

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Mar 12, 2005, 5:19:44 AM3/12/05
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Hello! I am Bertrand, french design student, I am looking for an internship.

see my portfolio
http://www.coroflot.com/clerc
http://www.isd-up.com/portfolios/affiche.php5?id_port=715&id_img=375&recherche=2&search=-1&section=3&filiere=-1

see my school website
http://www.isd-valenciennes.com/

see the students website
http://www.isd-up.com/

Winfield Hill

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Mar 12, 2005, 7:11:55 AM3/12/05
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Bertrand Clerc wrote...

Nice work, you're very talented. But sometimes you use too many
exclamation points, far too many!!!!!! Subtlety is a good goal.


--
Thanks,
- Win

Andy

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Mar 12, 2005, 11:23:25 AM3/12/05
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Find a nice company in FRANCE to intern at.

The US has far too many TALENTED citizens with an engineering degree
that are out of work to be a toady and stooly to the French population
that
can't find jobs....

However, maybe Halliburton will hire you for working in Iraq.... I
think you should give
that a try.......... oops, I forgot, ..... French people don't like to
go to Iraq...... sorry.

Andy in Fink, Texas

Luhan Monat

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Mar 12, 2005, 12:26:49 PM3/12/05
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Andy wrote:

Hey, I like you work. Ignore Andy. Good luck.

--
Luhan Monat (luhanis 'at' yahoo 'dot' com)
"The future is not what it used to be..."
http://members.cox.net/berniekm

Winfield Hill

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Mar 12, 2005, 11:35:59 AM3/12/05
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Andy wrote...

>
> Find a nice company in FRANCE to intern at.
>
> The US has far too many TALENTED citizens with an engineering degree
> that are out of work to be a toady and stooly to the French population
> that can't find jobs....

What, you think this is a US usenet group? I didn't see Bertrand
asking for an internship here.

> However, maybe Halliburton will hire you for working in Iraq....
> I think you should give that a try.......... oops, I forgot,
> ..... French people don't like to go to Iraq...... sorry.
>
> Andy in Fink, Texas

That's just plain mean and hateful, speaking politely. Go away.


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Thanks,
- Win

Jim Thompson

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Mar 12, 2005, 12:10:24 PM3/12/05
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On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 09:26:49 -0800, Luhan Monat <x@y.z> wrote:

>Andy wrote:
>
>> Find a nice company in FRANCE to intern at.
>>
>> The US has far too many TALENTED citizens with an engineering degree
>> that are out of work to be a toady and stooly to the French population
>> that
>> can't find jobs....
>>
>> However, maybe Halliburton will hire you for working in Iraq.... I
>> think you should give
>> that a try.......... oops, I forgot, ..... French people don't like to
>> go to Iraq...... sorry.
>>
>> Andy in Fink, Texas
>>
>Hey, I like you work. Ignore Andy. Good luck.

I agree with Andy.

When Jacques (pronounced Jack-Ass) Chirac is gone, we can talk.

...Jim Thompson
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Jim Thompson

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Mar 12, 2005, 12:14:56 PM3/12/05
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On 12 Mar 2005 08:35:59 -0800, Winfield Hill
<hill_a@t_rowland-dotties-harvard-dot.s-edu> wrote:

Why should "Andy in Fink, Texas" go away? At least he's not so
ignorant that he votes for Ted Kennedy ;-)

Clarence_A

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Mar 12, 2005, 1:05:16 PM3/12/05
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"Bertrand Clerc" <clerc.b...@neuf.fr> wrote in message
news:d0uh15$csh$1...@apollon.grec.isp.9tel.net...

Have your applied in France or perhaps someplace nearby, like
Germany or Italy? The possibility of getting relocated would seem
more likely!
Euro Disney is always looking for people who speak more than one
language too.

Of course if you want an American Job, apply where they are -- In
INDIA!

NICE picnic table! I saw a dozen at a highway rest stop in
Kentucky that were very similar. About twenty years ago! There
is really nothing new in Design, is there?


Gregory L. Hansen

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Mar 12, 2005, 1:23:50 PM3/12/05
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In article <1110644605.5...@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,

Andy <andys...@juno.com> wrote:
>Find a nice company in FRANCE to intern at.
>
>The US has far too many TALENTED citizens with an engineering degree
>that are out of work to be a toady and stooly to the French population
>that
>can't find jobs....

And still I've read recent woes of shortages of technical people in the
US, and the need to increase the number of H1-B visas so that more
foreign workers can come. The Bureau of Labor Statistics (and personal
experience) doesn't seem to support that view, but still I read it.
What's going on there?

--
"Will we be suturing the anus?"

John Larkin

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Mar 12, 2005, 2:17:06 PM3/12/05
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This looks unstable:

http://www.isd-valenciennes.com/upload/file34.jpg

Has anybody actually built one?

John

Tim Wescott

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Mar 12, 2005, 2:36:55 PM3/12/05
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I've seen similar things with two rear wheels.

If you look carefully you'll see that the front axle is pivoted at it's
center, so the thing will ride like a motorcycle until you hit the tilt
limit on that pivot -- at that point I imagine that all hell will break
loose unless you have a _very_ skilled rider who can compensate for the
change in the effective pivot point while keeping the thing going.

--

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

Jim Thompson

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Mar 12, 2005, 2:54:09 PM3/12/05
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Scam promulgated by US companies looking for cheap labor? Not a new
scheme at all, been going on ever since I've been in the business.

Jim Thompson

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Mar 12, 2005, 2:57:49 PM3/12/05
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But it's artistic... some marketing type will sell it before it's ever
built ;-)

John Woodgate

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Mar 12, 2005, 2:54:54 PM3/12/05
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I read in sci.electronics.design that Gregory L. Hansen <glhansen@steel.
ucs.indiana.edu> wrote (in <d0vc3m$i9q$1...@rainier.uits.indiana.edu>)
about 'A french product design student is looking for an internship', on
Sat, 12 Mar 2005:

>"Will we be suturing the anus?"

"Certainly not! He'd never speak again."
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
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John Woodgate

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Mar 12, 2005, 3:00:05 PM3/12/05
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I read in sci.electronics.design that John Larkin <jjSNIPlarkin@highTHIS
landPLEASEtechnology.XXX> wrote (in <buf631p07anu4m9biqmjfuprm1ll7nj2r9@
4ax.com>) about 'A french product design student is looking for an

internship', on Sat, 12 Mar 2005:
>
>
>This looks unstable:
>
>http://www.isd-valenciennes.com/upload/file34.jpg
>
>Has anybody actually built one?
>
The URL redirects me to a null site. Maybe it went into meltdown. (;-)

Jim Thompson

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Mar 12, 2005, 3:24:39 PM3/12/05
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On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 19:54:54 +0000, John Woodgate
<j...@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote:

>I read in sci.electronics.design that Gregory L. Hansen <glhansen@steel.
>ucs.indiana.edu> wrote (in <d0vc3m$i9q$1...@rainier.uits.indiana.edu>)
>about 'A french product design student is looking for an internship', on
>Sat, 12 Mar 2005:
>
>>"Will we be suturing the anus?"
>
>"Certainly not! He'd never speak again."

ROTFLMAO! Really! Good one!

John Larkin

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Mar 12, 2005, 3:32:24 PM3/12/05
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On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:36:55 -0800, Tim Wescott
<t...@wescottnospamdesign.com> wrote:

>John Larkin wrote:
>>
>> This looks unstable:
>>
>> http://www.isd-valenciennes.com/upload/file34.jpg
>>
>> Has anybody actually built one?
>>
>I've seen similar things with two rear wheels.
>
>If you look carefully you'll see that the front axle is pivoted at it's
>center, so the thing will ride like a motorcycle until you hit the tilt
>limit on that pivot -- at that point I imagine that all hell will break
>loose unless you have a _very_ skilled rider who can compensate for the
>change in the effective pivot point while keeping the thing going.

Yeah, I noticed the same thing; ghastly. There's nothing like a sudden
nonlinearity to make motorcycling interesting. My first wife had a
Kawasaki 500 (the featherweight 3-cylinder 2-cycle) that would do 0-60
in 4 seconds at the top of second gear: whoop/shift/whooooop, 60 mph.
At about 80 mph, the suspension went unstable and tended to toss
riders into ditches, and every once in a while the middle cylinder
would seize up, so you kept your hand on the clutch lever at all
times. I had to tear it down and hone it out twice before she totalled
it and lost her spleen. Good riddance [1].

John


[1] ambiguity intentional.

Jim Thompson

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Mar 12, 2005, 3:39:44 PM3/12/05
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Gee! John! I don't get your gist ;-)

keith

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Mar 12, 2005, 11:51:52 PM3/12/05
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It seems he just vented his.

--
Keith

John Larkin

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Mar 13, 2005, 6:06:18 PM3/13/05
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That wasn't a vent, it was a riff.

John

Jim Thompson

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Mar 13, 2005, 6:25:34 PM3/13/05
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On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 15:06:18 -0800, John Larkin
<jjla...@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 23:51:52 -0500, keith <k...@att.bizzzz> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:39:44 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:
>>

[snip]


>>>>I had to tear it down and hone it out twice before she totalled
>>>>it and lost her spleen. Good riddance [1].
>>>>
>>>>John
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>[1] ambiguity intentional.
>>>
>>> Gee! John! I don't get your gist ;-)
>>
>>It seems he just vented his.
>
>That wasn't a vent, it was a riff.
>
>John

As in reduction in force ?:-)

I think I've mentioned this before, but I knew a guy at Motorola who
went to the credit union and took out a "home improvement" loan.

Went home, handed his wife the money, and told her to get out ;-)

jsmith

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Mar 13, 2005, 6:34:53 PM3/13/05
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Hi Bertrand,
I hope you are not too disillusioned by the responses and comments you have
read resulting from your posting. I don't really think there is malicious
intent but unfortunately many posts are hijacked by "comedians" who think of
themselves as very clever, when in fact they are a bunch of has-been's who
spend all their time making what they consider to be clever remarks and not
contributing anything to the usefulness of the group. I have observed that
in most cases any technical comments or suggestions they make are way off
the mark or down right foolish. I hope you are successful in finding what is
you are seeking.
Good luck!


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jsmith

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Mar 13, 2005, 6:36:46 PM3/13/05
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Hi Bertrand,
I hope you are not too disillusioned by the responses and comments you have
read resulting from your posting. I don't really think there is malicious
intent but unfortunately many posts are hijacked by "comedians" who think of
themselves as very clever, when in fact they are a bunch of has-been's who
spend all their time making what they consider to be clever remarks and not
contributing anything to the usefulness of the group. I have observed that
in most cases any technical comments or suggestions they make are way off
the mark or down right foolish. I hope you are successful in finding what is
you are seeking.
Good luck!

"Clarence_A" <n...@No.com> wrote in message
news:wbGYd.8501$C47....@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...

jsmith

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Mar 13, 2005, 6:37:20 PM3/13/05
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Hi Bertrand,
I hope you are not too disillusioned by the responses and comments you have
read resulting from your posting. I don't really think there is malicious
intent but unfortunately many posts are hijacked by "comedians" who think of
themselves as very clever, when in fact they are a bunch of has-been's who
spend all their time making what they consider to be clever remarks and not
contributing anything to the usefulness of the group. I have observed that
in most cases any technical comments or suggestions they make are way off
the mark or down right foolish. I hope you are successful in finding what is
you are seeking.
Good luck!

"John Woodgate" <j...@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote in message
news:sH6uX5EO...@jmwa.demon.co.uk...

Terry Given

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Mar 13, 2005, 9:53:29 PM3/13/05
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Jim Thompson wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 09:26:49 -0800, Luhan Monat <x@y.z> wrote:
>
>
>>Andy wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Find a nice company in FRANCE to intern at.
>>>
>>>The US has far too many TALENTED citizens with an engineering degree
>>>that are out of work to be a toady and stooly to the French population
>>>that
>>>can't find jobs....
>>>
>>>However, maybe Halliburton will hire you for working in Iraq.... I
>>>think you should give
>>>that a try.......... oops, I forgot, ..... French people don't like to
>>>go to Iraq...... sorry.
>>>
>>> Andy in Fink, Texas
>>>
>>
>>Hey, I like you work. Ignore Andy. Good luck.
>
>
> I agree with Andy.
>
> When Jacques (pronounced Jack-Ass) Chirac is gone, we can talk.

Aw, come on Jim. Surely you realise that individuals have fuck all
control over their governments, and that pretty much without exception
politicians are lying assholes (and probably belong in jail). Although
despising the French does seem to be a universal trait. Probably because
they eat horses :(

[I used to get pissed off with USians asking me if I was an aussie, so I
took to asking them if they were french in return. Nobody liked that
very much]

OTOH as a former H1-B visa holder, I am well aware that it is a (mild)
form of indentured servitude, in that ones immigration status is
implicitly tied to ones job - lose the job, leave the country in 24
hours. Plenty of ammo there for an unscupulous employer to bring in H1Bs
with what sounds like an attractive job offer (until one sees how
expensive living is) and end up paying them less than a USian ought to
get. My employer was great though.

Mind you, I have a good friend in the states who is having real
difficulty getting hired at the moment, because he has committed the
ultimate sin - *ageing*. To make matters worse he is a software engineer
(note careful choice of terms, programmers are vermin), a field filled
with 20-year-old talentless monkeys who will work for peanuts.


Cheers
Terry

Terry Given

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Mar 13, 2005, 10:02:57 PM3/13/05
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That was one of the reasons they earned the monicker "Kamikaze". There
was also the 900CC bike that used to suffer from chronic frame flexure
when cornering at speed (alas cant recall model), often enough to force
a high-side.

A buddy of mine at Uni had a Suzuki RG500(R?) 2-stroke crotch rocket.
One day whgile tootling along at about 180kph it threw a piston (luckily
not the one pointed at his nuts) and locked the back wheel up. He hung
on for about 300m (fishtailing like a son-of-a-bitch) before coming to a
stop, and ground a huge hole in the rear tyre. Most impressive, and the
skid mark was pretty cool too.

Give me my 2003 VTR1000F with noisy pipes any day.

Cheers
Terry

Fred Bloggs

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Mar 14, 2005, 7:08:57 AM3/14/05
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Andy wrote:
> Find a nice company in FRANCE to intern at.
>
> The US has far too many TALENTED citizens with an engineering degree
> that are out of work to be a toady and stooly to the French population
> that
> can't find jobs....

Well- you have Borland that was founded by a French citizen, and I'm
sure there are many other examples of Frenchmen who have made
significant contributions to the US economy. Much of the fundamental
science you use today was discovered by Frenchmen, and France to this
day is a world class leader in science and engineering. Historically
speaking, there would be no US today if France had not intervened
against the British in the Revolution, the colonials were pathetic by
comparison.

Active8

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Mar 14, 2005, 12:18:43 PM3/14/05
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On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 12:08:57 GMT, Fred Bloggs wrote:

<snip>
>[...] Historically

> speaking, there would be no US today if France had not intervened
> against the British in the Revolution, the colonials were pathetic by
> comparison.

I thought we brought them in in response to the Brits hiring German
mercenaries - but I thought it was the other way around. I never
read that we were that lame. We started off ambushing the Brits -
inconventional warfare. Here's a short history of one colonial worth
his salt. The father of modern day special forces you might say.

http://www.acidus.com/rogers.html
--
Best Regards,
Mike

John Woodgate

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Mar 14, 2005, 12:33:19 PM3/14/05
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I read in sci.electronics.design that Active8 <reply...@ndbbm.net>
wrote (in <19jdtbrc...@ID-222894.news.individual.net>) about 'A
french product design student is looking for an internship', on Mon, 14
Mar 2005:

AIUI, France *offered* its assistance to the US 'insurgents', in its own
interest, not theirs.

John Larkin

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On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 16:25:34 -0700, Jim Thompson
<thegr...@example.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 15:06:18 -0800, John Larkin
><jjla...@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 23:51:52 -0500, keith <k...@att.bizzzz> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:39:44 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:
>>>
>[snip]
>>>>>I had to tear it down and hone it out twice before she totalled
>>>>>it and lost her spleen. Good riddance [1].
>>>>>
>>>>>John
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>[1] ambiguity intentional.
>>>>
>>>> Gee! John! I don't get your gist ;-)
>>>
>>>It seems he just vented his.
>>
>>That wasn't a vent, it was a riff.
>>
>>John
>
>As in reduction in force ?:-)

RIW, reduction-in-wives.

John


John Larkin

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Mar 14, 2005, 2:17:17 PM3/14/05
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On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 16:02:57 +1300, Terry Given <my_...@ieee.org>
wrote:

>
>A buddy of mine at Uni had a Suzuki RG500(R?) 2-stroke crotch rocket.
>One day whgile tootling along at about 180kph it threw a piston (luckily
>not the one pointed at his nuts) and locked the back wheel up. He hung
>on for about 300m (fishtailing like a son-of-a-bitch) before coming to a
>stop, and ground a huge hole in the rear tyre. Most impressive, and the
>skid mark was pretty cool too.
>

Wow, that was some pretty good riding. I'd have been tumbling along
the tarmac if that had happened to me. 2-stroke street bikes sure
sucked. But I do have fond memories of my single-jug Yamaha 250 dirt
bike... I bet I crashed it 300 times at least. We used to play tag on
motorcycles in a big old gravel pit and climb basically vertical
hills, dumb stuff like that.

But I bike no longer. My current wife, the good one, is a speech
pathologist who has tried to repair too many brain-damaged bikers and
doesn't want to be married to a member of the plant kingdom. And the
way people drive around here these days, it's just as well.

John


Terry Given

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Mar 14, 2005, 3:50:35 PM3/14/05
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Hi John,

yes it was very impressive. I'd have high-sided into a tree, for sure.
After the bike was repaired (rebuilt more like) I took it for a test
ride. Zipping out Rangitikei line (long, flat, straight) I was behind 2
cars and a 10T truck, doing about 90. I pulled out, kicked it down a
gear and Voom (think parrot with 4 million volts up it) - popped a
wheelie, and was doing about 160 by the time I passed the lead vehicle.
It handled like a dream, too. I took it back and said "no thanx, I'll be
dead in a week" or words to that effect.

Ya gotta love trail riding dontcha. My best childhood memories, by far.
I also recall Dad coming home from a trail ride one sunday night, moving
like a geriatric. He'd assed off trying not to run over a mate, then
another mate came round the corner and ran Dad over. We helped him take
off his shirt, and he had a huge knobbly tire mark about 6" wide,
running the length of his back. After 3-4 days it looked wild! Monday
saw him down at the bike shop buying body armour.....

I'd have to agree with your good wife. I'm strictly a fair-weather
back-road rider, for exactly that reason. My Fiancee is a nurse who has
done a lot of head & spinal injury rehab, and she's told me some truly
nasty stories. I have only lost one friend to bikes, but his was
spectacular in the extreme - Darryl accidentally rode off the lip of a
volcano (Mt Tarawera to be precise) whilst trail-riding, and fell 300m
to his death. Oops

Cheers
Terry

Jim Thompson

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Mar 14, 2005, 5:14:27 PM3/14/05
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On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:05:54 -0800, John Larkin
<jjla...@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 16:25:34 -0700, Jim Thompson
><thegr...@example.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 15:06:18 -0800, John Larkin
>><jjla...@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 23:51:52 -0500, keith <k...@att.bizzzz> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:39:44 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:
>>>>
>>[snip]
>>>>>>I had to tear it down and hone it out twice before she totalled
>>>>>>it and lost her spleen. Good riddance [1].
>>>>>>
>>>>>>John
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>[1] ambiguity intentional.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gee! John! I don't get your gist ;-)
>>>>
>>>>It seems he just vented his.
>>>
>>>That wasn't a vent, it was a riff.
>>>
>>>John
>>
>>As in reduction in force ?:-)
>
>RIW, reduction-in-wives.
>
>John
>

ONE is definitely enough ;-)

Fred Bloggs

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Mar 15, 2005, 5:02:02 AM3/15/05
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Much of that piecemeal history is wives' tales. The fact is the colonial
Army was starved, under-equipped, under-trained, and spent nearly half a
decade avoiding direct confrontation with the British Army and certain
slaughter. The French arrive on the scene and the show is wrapped up in
about 14 months, which is like "immediately" by 18th century warfare
standards. Cornwallis was defeated by the French- and the terms of his
original surrender negotiations were that he surrender his Army to
Rochambeau, disregarding Washington altogether; but Rochambeau insisted
that the formal surrender be to Washington. This little summary appears
to be an accurate description:
http://people.csail.mit.edu/people/sfelshin/saintonge/frhist.html .

And the idea that "we brought them in" is ridiculous- America was a
powerless dwarf by comparison. We sent our most talented genius,
Benjamin Franklin, to France to ply his most prominent political skills
of argument, wine, dine, and propaganda to do whatever it took to win
the favor of the French King, he was there for the duration of the war.
You need to acknowledge that these main players of the times knew the
situation better than anyone, and that was American independence would
eventually fail unless France could be brought into the war.

Rose

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Mar 17, 2005, 7:01:07 PM3/17/05
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On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:19:44 +0100, whilst I was lookin "Bertrand
Clerc" <clerc.b...@neuf.fr> wrote:

>Hello! I am Bertrand, french design student, I am looking for an internship.
>
>see my portfolio
>http://www.coroflot.com/clerc
>http://www.isd-up.com/portfolios/affiche.php5?id_port=715&id_img=375&recherche=2&search=-1&section=3&filiere=-1
>
>see my school website
>http://www.isd-valenciennes.com/
>
>see the students website
>http://www.isd-up.com/
>
>
>

Couldn't you just do some Internet searches for businesses in your
area that offer internships?


Rose
http://members.aol.com/Roseb44170/home.html
"How in the heck did I ever get talked into this?"

Rose

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Mar 17, 2005, 7:04:35 PM3/17/05
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So do I! Although I'm in the US there are still designers who are
managing to make a good living at designing. Some even are getting
more work than they can handle.

I don't know if you're looking for internship-type work while you're
still in school but hopefully you'll be able to find some work to help
pay your way.


Rose
http://members.aol.com/Roseb441702/grants.htm
Grant Basics 101!

David Brown

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Jan 10, 2022, 3:21:06 AM1/10/22
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On 12/03/2005 17:23, Andy wrote:
> Find a nice company in FRANCE to intern at.
>
> The US has far too many TALENTED citizens with an engineering degree
> that are out of work to be a toady and stooly to the French population
> that
> can't find jobs....
>

Do you understand the concept of "international newsgroup" ? All of the
groups on OP's list are international, except for the Japanese one.
Just because the OP is interested in looking outside his own country
does not suggest that USA is particularly high on his list.



David Brown

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On 10/01/2022 09:21, David Brown wrote:
> On 12/03/2005 17:23, Andy wrote:

I've just noticed that my newsreader and/or my newsserver has fallen
through a timewarp, and that thread was from 2005. Sorry for the noise.

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