Let's start a crusade!

[Brian Mays]

Weed out the wannabes! Marching arm in arm with well design shields and
banners, we will trounce through the world, erasing the Photoshop filters of
designers EVERYWHERE in an effort to promote THOUGHT, REASON, and CREATIVITY.

(I'm just juiced after seeing all the responses to the Web Dezignerz
posting...never EVER has something I've posted made me feel like I
accomplished and said so much!)

Brian Mays

[Brian Mays]

Again, you have missed the point.

I use my MIND to design the graphics, the computer or whatever other
appropriate tools to produce them. A computer does NOT design a graphic.

Plugins are a copout oftentimes for people who don't want to think. I'm not
coming down on plugins, I use my fair share of them too...WHEN THE CONCEPT
CALLS FOR IT. I AM coming down on people who use a plugin with no reason
other than because the computer will do it. If there is no reason for doing
it other than to show off computer skills, then it becomes digital toilet
paper and has no purpose for existing.

True design is thought, rationale, creativity, and CONCEPT CONCEPT CONCEPT! I
will preach concept in here until I'm blue in the face if I have to. And I
will be right.

Just email David Carson, Rick Valicenti, John Sayles, Marc English, Margo
Chase...they'll tell you the same thing! (Well, except for maybe Rick
Valicenti.) If you don't have a concept, then your digital masterpiece has no
feet to stand on.

Brian the Educator of minds.

John T wrote:
>
> Hmmmmmm yet another one !
> There go I but for the grace of a big-ed
> If you use a computer to design your graphics then you are no different than somebody using pluggins after all you are using an external help generating machine as well as the programs to make it operate. So you see you too are reliant on applications.
> I carved my name on the tree in my garden so does that make me a graphic designer.
> What bollocks you lot spit out
> aaaaaaagh vomit
>
> John the One
>
> Brian Mays <bma...@swbell.net> wrote in message
> news:3713EBF1...@swbell.net...

[John T]

[glorywest]

I'm groovin on the sound effects. More please.
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[Pete Cooper]

You're totally right Brian :)

You often get people who come into newsgroups yelling about their 'new Web
design company' or such, and when you go and visit their site there isn't a
concept. Instead, you have graphics that have been bevelled and had lighting
effects applied, for no specific reason.. None of it gels, and there's
absolutely no concept involved.

> True design is thought, rationale, creativity, and CONCEPT CONCEPT
CONCEPT! I
> will preach concept in here until I'm blue in the face if I have to. And
I
> will be right.

And you are. When something does not have a concept and is merely 'pretty'
for its own sake, then it could probably be defined as some sort of abstract
art ;)

--
Regards,
Peter Cooper
Editor, Webpedia
http://www.webpedia.com/

[Russ]

I am in total agreement, but even abstract art has concept. Infact,
abstract art is probably one of the most conceptual art forms around. Bad
concept, concept not followed through with, and no concept does not even
come close to art, my dog leaves similar stuff around the yard.
-Russ

[John T]

Ha the best laugh I've had for ages -
'Abstract art is probably one of the most conceptual art forms around'
IN FACT abstract art is non existant as an art form. What shit to suppose
that a pile of elephant dung is art (excuse the pun). Are we going banana's
or what ?
Anything can be termed as revolutionary if it has not been done before but
certainly not ART.
I'm off to create a masterpiece now - I'm going to climb up on to the roof
and crap down the chimney then invite all my friends in the living room to
admire my newly acquired 'piece of art' in the fireplace !

John the One

Russ <jetskier1...@usa.net> wrote in message
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[Russ]

Try not confuse "Abstract art" with "Modern Art". There is a difference....
-Russ

John T <des...@coolgraphic.com> wrote in message
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[glorywest]

Didn't we go through this before with you John? Dave was going to pay to
see you **** . WIll you charge your friends or give them a freebie?

As a performance artist you become a member of the classic arts club
though, performance arts being classic arts.

Anyway... Anytime you want to see real abstract/modern art being created,
stop by and see my work. I am getting very abstract in my old age. I showed
it to my father and he asked me what is it? What is it about? I said
anything you want. He shrugged.

I am in the middle of a raging mid-life crisis which consists of wearing
short skirts and making art. A lot of people seem to like the art so I just
keep plugging away. I like it or else I wouldn't show it. I am enjoying
what people have to say about the art as much as I enjoy making it. What a
hoot! Have fun.
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[David A. Smith]

We seem to get all worked up about these "free" designers every other week or so.
I'd like to suggest that they just be ignored. Their not going to get much
business by posting here, indeed, the typical skill level is likely to leave them
with little business anyway. So, if they are simply ignored, perhaps they will go
away.

David

[Brian Mays]

But my crusade isn't meant necessarily for those who do free work. It's meant
more as an educational exercise to show people who think they are graphic
designers what graphic design really is. It's an effort to get back to the
roots of designing...using your mind. I venture that if forced to work
without power, some of these so-called designers couldn't turn out one good
logo or design. While there are those of us who would make great designs with
what we have available.

That's what the crusade is for...getting people back to basics.

Brian
(who knows full well that some CERTAIN PEOPLE will think I'm just bashing them again)

[John T]

David A you are an ass and you ferment the very type of attitude that tries
to kill off anyone needing help - As if you just happen to wake up and find
yourself being gifted. My my what a stereotype you are

John the One soon to become the crusader !

Motto - 'fight for the underdog'

David A. Smith <davi...@iag.net> wrote in message
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> We seem to get all worked up about these "free" designers every other week
or so.
> I'd like to suggest that they just be ignored. Their not going to get much
> business by posting here, indeed, the typical skill level is likely to
leave them
> with little business anyway. So, if they are simply ignored, perhaps they
will go
> away.
>
> David
>

[Terry L. Griffin]

you've spoken with Margo Chase via email??

[Brian Mays]

well...no...

I was speaking hypothetically (although I'd say I made a pretty safe assumption).

In fact...now I think I will make the attempt to get in touch with Margo
Chase, just to ask her the very question I was posing!

(Ask Dave Moon, too...I'll do it!)

Brian Mays

[Drphilgood]

Ok, hold it. Most everyone is missing the point that Brian was trying to make
here. (Some of you were bound to miss it regardless.)

Brian is simply challenging people to exercise their muscles of creativity.
Many of you jumped straight to being offended. Maybe... you are the ones who
needed to here Brians point the most.

One who never listens lives an out-of-focus, one-sided life, and dies a very
lonely person.

Philip Bradshaw

[Robert Gratton]

very philosophical.... agree with Brian.. and Drphil u sharing any of those
shrooms yet?

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[WD ElfBox]

>Motto - 'fight for the underdog'

You've inspired me John. My new motto is, "fight in your Underoos!" -- life is
way too short to be very serious about silly crusades.

Dave Moon