Advice needed
Nduli
year get out and look for a job in the field. Right now I'm trying to figure
out what skills I will have to brush up on and what I will need to learn to
put together the best possible portfolio.
I have no formal art training(aside from basic commercial illustration
classes in HS)but have very strong freehand drawing skills and have
extensively used Photoshop and Illustrator. I'm also fairly skilled in
traditional media.I've done some web authoring for about 3 years now and
have a basic grasp of html but none of the high-level stuff.
What I'd like to know is what are the other programs and skills that
employers are looking for? I'm considering learning Bryce 3-D, Macromedia
Flash and Pagemaker and am wondering if these programs will be of any help
to me when I go out and look for a job.
Thanks in advance for any advice,
Margaret
tom geiser
industry i would choose QuarkXpress over Pagemaker...it seems to have the
edge...Check the ads in your area or actually call some potential
employers...see what they are looking for....tom
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In article <7o4me2$713$1...@autumn.news.rcn.net>, "Nduli" <pyew...@erols.com>
wrote:
Jordan Dossett (ACE)
Pagemaker or Quark for print. Also learn about color theory and typography.
Jordan Dossett
The Design Studio
jdos...@antharia.com
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Lloyd Phillips
Learn Flash and Dreamweaver, and Fireworks wouldn't kill either.
Where are you (uk/usa/oz)?
Lloyd
grate...@my-deja.com
Very extensive but worth while learning, could take a few years of good
hard experience in production, but once you get it, you're on a roll. I
think that you should concentrate on one or the other, otherwise things
get too complicated. And it's hard to keep up to date with all the
different and new softwares. In lieu of trying to divert your
experience and knowledge, try sticking to one aspect of the business
and get real good at it, yet always telling your potential employers
that you have tippie toed through and have knowledge of.......other
softwares. Good Luck and in regards to your portfolio, Keep it simple
and short yet precise. I know that we have a tendency to want to
overstuff our portfolios but it has the power to bore the daylights out
of them. Seven to ten pieces should suffice. Add a variety and maybe
one hand drawn illustration.
Good Luck
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ray
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Mike Senna
moment*...
Ray, I am not disagreeing with you. I just have a thought for
possible discussion, not directed at you.
Will Flash still be in demand a couple of years down the road? Maybe.
What else will graphic designers have to put in their arsenal to
remain employable?
Many of the classified ads I see for graphic artists and designers
have a ridiculous list of required software from every manufacturer
plus experience across several disciplines. Most often the pay
offered doesn't come close to compensating for the experience and
education required.
If artists and designers learn to use Flash for their own benefit and
enjoyment, I think that's 'a good thing' (quoting Martha Stewart
<grin>). Flash is fun. But if everyone is learning whatever because
is DEMANDED by a market that doesn't increase your rewards for better
service, that is not good IMHO.
Any body else have some thoughts about this?
Mike (not a graphic A/D)
sistercarol
be a web designer. I refuse to play "keep up with the Jonses"
when it comes to software. You have a lot of people out there who
are (in my father's words) jacks of all trades and masters of
nothing. I don't want to be one of them.
I am a fine artist first and foremost. It is with pencil and
paper that I started, and then I moved into computers -- Corel and
Adobe -- and that is where I shall stay. Here I am only limited
by my creativity and my vision, not by what's the "hot new thing".
I never have been a trendy person, anyway.
I'm not saying there's anything wrong with being on the forefront
of trends. I'm only saying that I can't and don't want to do it.
--Carol
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Peter
<Msenna...@1bigred.com> wrote:
>>I think you should learn flash, it seems to be in demand *at the
>moment*...
>
>Ray, I am not disagreeing with you. I just have a thought for
>possible discussion, not directed at you.
>Will Flash still be in demand a couple of years down the road? Maybe.
>What else will graphic designers have to put in their arsenal to
>remain employable?
>Many of the classified ads I see for graphic artists and designers
>have a ridiculous list of required software from every manufacturer
>plus experience across several disciplines. Most often the pay
>offered doesn't come close to compensating for the experience and
>education required.
>If artists and designers learn to use Flash for their own benefit and
>enjoyment, I think that's 'a good thing' (quoting Martha Stewart
><grin>). Flash is fun. But if everyone is learning whatever because
>is DEMANDED by a market that doesn't increase your rewards for better
>service, that is not good IMHO.
>Any body else have some thoughts about this?
>Mike (not a graphic A/D)
>
I notice agencies usually for a minimum of 2 years experience in
everything, including new products.
Allaire announced a new product a couple of days ago. Next week's
employment adverts will ask for at least 2 years experience in the new
product. Even Jeremy Allaire does not have 2 years experience with
the product!
Chris Jones
oh but Carol... I'm not ahead of you.. actually, I'm behind you.. I'm trying
to keep up with the Ott's HA HA...
oh and it's spelled Jones :)
--
Christopher Jones
ICQ # 17357114
New Gallery Test site
http://members.aol.com/chrizjones/test
old site
http://members.aol.com/razorxxi
Jeanne DeCarolis
I think so, but it's been a long time coming. Two years ago,
while working in an internet group, I first heard about Flash.
It still hasn't caught on because - IMO - it isn't standard in
browsers, so companies arn't exploiting the tool. But, if
Macromedia pushes hard enough, and Flash doesn't require
a plug-in - I think this tool will take off in a big way.
I can see PowerPoint presentations making use of Flash,
as well as online training. Lots of kids are home-schooled
here in my town, I would use Flash for training on the web.
>What else will graphic designers have to put in their arsenal to
>remain employable?
It's amazing what companies are asking for these days!
The skill set requested is all over the place. For me, it makes
sense to learn Flash, I'm a web graphic designer. Give me
a Flash site anyday, if done properly.
I do think future sites will be done in Flash. Flash may even
get some competition down the road. I've wondered about
buying stock in Macromedia, that's how much of a future
I think Flash has.!
>Any body else have some thoughts about this?
You asked!
Jeanne
Jeanne DeCarolis
>This, my dear, is one of the reasons why I am not and will never
>be a web designer.
>I am a fine artist first and foremost.
I must like stress or something, I've been pioneering forever,
it seems. I like fine art too, but I don't excel in that area,
don't have the patience. (and it doesn't pay the bills)!
I think I was cut out for digital art, I like the speed and
convenience of seeing my designs
in a hundred different color combinations - I like to see
my graphics move - I find it amazing that you can simulate
oil, pastel, chalk on a computer - I get excited when my
mouse cursor passes over one of my graphics and they
come to life with animation! When Photoshop was first
released, I couldn't sleep at night!
Stay where you are Carol, you'll have less grey hairs!
I've put tons of time over the last 5-10 years learning
about technical geeky stuff. I too started with CorelDraw,
by the way.
My mother is a fine artist, oil and watercolors.
I'm so envious of her drawings, they're gorgeous.
Jeanne
D i m i t r i
think people get caught up in the gadgetry, and it then becomes an
exaggerated business need to fill a market that doesn't exist- other than
to sell the software. It's all 'cool' stuff agreed. Coolness wears think
very quickly. That's why new software is produced to keep that "high" AND
sales at a premium. We're caught up in it. Just look at how hypnotized
we are into buying updated software when the old still has a lot of life
left in it for most people. We don't want to be behind in a technology
that hasn't proved it's worth.....that's just too dumbfounding!
I know it sounds like some grand scheme, but I believe it's true.
If we were to take a public opiinion poll on the preferences of viewers
wanting flashed sites versus static pages, I'm not sure it would hold up.
I'm not sure many people care. Therefore envisioning a usefull purpose for
animation, other than for mini movies from a world full of internet "movie
directors", is difficult.
I can't imagine someone saying "God..I'm glad I use Flash..it increased my
sales by 30%!"
Now THAT 's something I'd be interested in.
Mike Senna wrote:
> >I think you should learn flash, it seems to be in demand *at the
> moment*...
>
> Ray, I am not disagreeing with you. I just have a thought for
> possible discussion, not directed at you.
> Will Flash still be in demand a couple of years down the road? Maybe.
> What else will graphic designers have to put in their arsenal to
> remain employable?
> Many of the classified ads I see for graphic artists and designers
> have a ridiculous list of required software from every manufacturer
> plus experience across several disciplines. Most often the pay
> offered doesn't come close to compensating for the experience and
> education required.
> If artists and designers learn to use Flash for their own benefit and
> enjoyment, I think that's 'a good thing' (quoting Martha Stewart
> <grin>). Flash is fun. But if everyone is learning whatever because
> is DEMANDED by a market that doesn't increase your rewards for better
> service, that is not good IMHO.
> Any body else have some thoughts about this?
sistercarol
--Carol
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tom geiser
resume....:)
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In article <37abaf2...@news.flex.com.au>, pe...@helpnet.com.au (Peter)
wrote:
tom geiser
graphics at all...they are radio spots...louie the lizard....for
budweiser.....i love 'em.....better than some of the songs the station
plays...do people buy budweiser because of louie?....louie seems to think
so....and i guess so does budweiser
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In article <37AC3B45...@the-spa.com>, D i m i t r i
Mike Senna
<7oi68f$s44$1...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>...
>Could it be a right-brain/left-brain thing? Hmmm....
>--Carol
I'm not in my RIGHT mind most of the time so I use what's LEFT. That
could be the RIGHT half, since I lean toward fine art. That's too
logical though, so the left must be what's left. Right?
8D)