drugs that supposedly work
cold sweat
for depression, etc., that might be taking something called Wellbutrin or
Wellbutrin SR?? Don't ask me why I haven't told my doctor it's not working.
I dunno, maybe it's becuz I've felt like shit for so long, I've gotten
"used" to it and I'm scared to feel any other way. Thanks.
--
[cold sweat]
dances
smile even if life is shite, laugh at it, when your feeling down act the
clown. JUST TRY IT.
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"dances" <dancesw...@here.com> wrote in message
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> Best drug in the world for depression is, (and you wont believe it) is to
> smile even if life is shite, laugh at it, when your feeling down act the
> clown. JUST TRY IT.
a good nights sleep always helps, as does exercise and eating lots of fruit
and veggies!
Buzz Acher
(in message <6VAR8.51239$LC3.3...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>):
> something called Wellbutrin or
> Wellbutrin SR?
Cold Sweat, the "SR" stands for "sustained-release," and like all drugs used
to treat depression, it works for some people and not for others.
It's an SSRI just like Prozac and Effexor are.
And don't pay any attention to the nimrods telling you to smile or eat
vegetables or whatever (they haven't a clue what depression is); just keep
trying meds until you find the one(s) which work for you. Once you've found
one which works, then therapy can help. (Therapy's pretty damned useless
unless/until you're well enough to be able to benefit from it.)
Goid luck; I'm also on my holy grail search, and hoping a new med will be
invented which will work for me.
Buzz
--
I can't see tomorrow when I close my eyes;
there is no tomorrow.
My gift is of no use.
eureka
you act on the outside. Depression is having a broken brain---it doesn't
release chemicals like everyone else's. Meds help fix that, no damn carrot
or jog around the lake will help that. Sorry if I ranted--I guess it's one
of my peeves....;>)
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cold sweat
--
[cold sweat]
eureka wrote in message ...
m.
"eureka" <mac...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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> no shit, buzz. people need to learn that it isn't about what you eat or
how
> you act on the outside. Depression is having a broken brain---it doesn't
> release chemicals like everyone else's. Meds help fix that, no damn
carrot
> or jog around the lake will help that. Sorry if I ranted--I guess it's
one
> of my peeves....;>)
as long as you believe that your brain is broken you will remain depressed.
And that's a fact dude. Now you can either cry out "oh no, poor me, i
suffer from clinical depression. boohoo." Or you can go, "depression
happens, get up off of your goddamn ass."
This isn't to say that meds aren't necessary. It is to put the focus off of
"wonder drugs" and put the focus where it fucking belongs: on one's desire
to change. As long as one clings to depression (thinking it is an illness
rather than a state of mind) one will never make peace with the demons.
It's the therapy and the way you look at things (with the help of meds in
sever cases) that will make the difference. Meds don't "fix" anything. They
might get brain paths working again, but ONLY YOU CAN MAKE PEACE WITH
DEPRESSION.
Oh ya, exercise ends up doing many of the same things anti-d do. It helps
you sleep better, it gets your own natural wonder drugs going producing a
natural high that actually can feel better than a drug high, it reduces
stress and tension, it makes one feel better, it gives one more energy, and
it is self-motivating. it also helps with self-esteem issues and is a
confidence builder.
Eating healthy foods or fasting also produces good results. If you eat
well, you feel better. Its all about feeling better and overcoming
destructive behavior. Thanks to such "good behaviors" i have broke my own
"dependency" on meds. A 13 year depedency i might add.
it's a way of life change, dude. HOW IN GODS NAME CAN MEDS CHANGE THAT?
p.s. i had my best luck with old school drugs like doxepin.
Who Cares
wrote:
>And don't pay any attention to the nimrods telling you to smile or eat
>vegetables or whatever (they haven't a clue what depression is); just keep
>trying meds until you find the one(s) which work for you. Once you've found
>one which works, then therapy can help. (Therapy's pretty damned useless
>unless/until you're well enough to be able to benefit from it.)
>
NOT TRUE! I've been depressed longer than most of the people in this group have
been alive, and how did I beat it? WITHOUT meds. Without years of
psychotherapy, but with a lot of support from dear friends, and guess what? A
smile now and then DOES help. I can't testify to the advantage of fruits and
veggies, other than they keep you 'regular'.
Maybe I'm the exception to the rule, but then, depression never quite ends...
it just hides for a while only to resurface when you think you have life by the
short & curleys...
R.
Åßwèséñdër Våtër
"Buzz Acher" <buzz...@mymailoasis.com> wrote in message
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> (in message <6VAR8.51239$LC3.3...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>):
>
> vegetables or whatever (they haven't a clue what depression is); just keep
> trying meds until you find the one(s) which work for you. Once you've
found
> one which works, then therapy can help. (Therapy's pretty damned useless
> unless/until you're well enough to be able to benefit from it.)
>
> Goid luck; I'm also on my holy grail search, and hoping a new med will be
> invented which will work for me.
>
> Buzz
> --
> I can't see tomorrow when I close my eyes;
> there is no tomorrow.
> My gift is of no use.
>
>
'bout time we get some constructive conversation around here. contraversial
issues and all that shite....
i usually side with the 'non-med' fellas. the people that ive known
personally that have went to meds usually ended up more fucked up because of
them. plus i couldnt even fathom how to afford a habit such as that. i
know that my depression is not a chemical imbalance or whatever, its my dumb
ass not being able to take control of things. i know there is a lot of
shite i could do to make myself feel better but i am still to weak willed
and full of self pity that i just gave up on trying and found easier ways to
function with my depression. such as talkin to fools on ADAF or drinkin
mass quantities of beer and inhaling the combustion byproduct of certain
medicinal herbs. or all of the above such as right as this moment. im
actually poasting from home for once. anyway, ive never went the government
med route so maybe im wrong but for what its worth i think taking more drugs
only delays the inevitable, which is facing the facts of your life and
deciding what parts you want to keep and what to dump. unless thats what
your looking for, but i figure beer is cheaper than rx drugs.
anyway glad to get some new imput 'round here.
eureka
with mental illness don't KNOW HOW to change their attitudes.....when the
brain paths work, it makes it clearer & easier for the peace to enter your
life----or not. I believe that you have some very valid points, and most
can benefit from what you said. It's all worth a try.....
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filet_o_entropy
as you can see by the postings here, there are differing opinions about
medication for depression.
I am currently taking and benefitting from medication, so I know they can be
of great help. I'm also aware the drug companies are in business for profit.
Definalty talk to your Dr. about your treatment, if it is or isn't working.
Many depression medications take weeks or months to really show positive
effects. As others have mentioned, not all medications will work with
everyone. It can really be hit and miss finding one that will help. So your
Doctor 'Totally' needs your feedback to determine if it's working, or, is
even safe (side effects) for you. Feelings of shame are one of the more
dangerous symptoms of depression. Don't buy into feelings of shame. And if
your Doctor doesn't seem to want to listen, consult another one.
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Daz
doctor.If you're not comfortable with your doctor find another.I tried
numerous different drugs before finding a combination that helped, but what
works for me won't work for everyone.You have to expirement with what works
for you.
And no a good nights sleep or a smile won't help.
People who do not suffer from depression could shut up & listen for a
change.
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"Daz" <da...@nex.net.au> wrote in message
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> I've never heard of the drugs your on but if they don't work tell your
> doctor.If you're not comfortable with your doctor find another.I tried
> numerous different drugs before finding a combination that helped, but
what
> works for me won't work for everyone.You have to expirement with what
works
> for you.
>
> And no a good nights sleep or a smile won't help.
> People who do not suffer from depression could shut up & listen for a
> change.
>
fuck off you idiot.
i've suffered from depression for 16 years. I did the meds. i did years and
years of fucking therapy. I tried to kill myself. BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH.
GROW THE FUCK UP.
the thing is, hopefully one day you look in the mirror and just say. "I'VE
HAD ENOUGH. I'M GOING TO STARE INTO THE ABYSS UNTIL IT GETS LIGHT."
And you get out of bed in the morning. You have some orange juice and take
some vitamens. Take a shower for a change. Hell, shave your legs or face,
depending on what sex you are.
DO the dishes and take out the trash that is attracting fruit flies.
And you keep getting out of bed and you keep taking showers and you keep
trying to keep yourself and your apartment clean. You go to work and tell
yourself to fuck off when psychosomatically sick.
eventually, my friend, it gets lighter and ligher and lighter.
You still wish you were dead everyday, but life just become life.
You passively accept.
That is what being an adult means.
And depression, most depression, will go away if you get the connections
working (i.e. need some meds at the start in some cases) go to therapy and
throw yourself into it. Make the decision to make a change, to make things
different. but you can take all the fucking meds in the world that you want
but until you decide to make a real change in your thinking style, it ain't
gonna happen. Depression is nothing more than fucked up thinking. You don't
need meds necessarily to learn how to think differently, you just need the
DESIRE, the WILL, to change. And, if you aren't in therapy, the meds will do
you NO FUCKING GOOD.
WHen the person said you just smile, this, i think, is what they meant: you
get up in the morning and you smile when around others and tell yourself to
keep your badmood to yourself. Strangely, bad moods and self pity tend to
go away when you get out of the fucking house and start RECOGNIZING
JUST HOW FUCKING GOOD YOU HAVE IT.
And i can say that, cause you obviously are part of the privilieged. You
gotta a computer connection.
That says more than enough.
At least tonight you won't be next to a bunch of people starving to death
from Aids or becuase there is no FUCKING FOOD OR WATER.
PERSPECTIVE.
It's all about perspective.
The problem with depression is that it is not much more than self-defeating
thinking. And the more you see it as an ILLNESS, the less chances you will
have of being happy. WHY? Cause you THINK you need something ELSE to be
happy.
That's bullshit.
Get over yourself already man.
(btw, i usually would't make so many assumptions, especially when you say
that different things work differently for different people. but then you
have to go and assume that people giving advice about smiling don't know
what they are talking about and that they should just shut up. you shut up
asshole. you obviously do not understand depression at all. ever hear of
cognitive rational therapy? )
Matisse
eureka
eureka
or me or anyone else is not you. Everyone is different. There are no
absolutes....no reason to be nasty to someone because they express their
opinion. What you do works for you--great, cool! I'm really happy that you
found the answer, but remember that your answer may not necessarily be mine,
or theirs.....
"m." <cascade@smiths> wrote in message
Daz
You think your answers are everybodies well guess what? If you you had the
answers you would'nt be such an angry little fuckhead.
Obviously my meds are doing a better job of dealing with
my problems than your solution If not than how about a calm intelligence
response instead of your mindless rambling bullshit?"Staring into the abyss"
please what are you, a 13 year old with growing pains.
Your the one who needs counselling for anger management.
P.S. I am not your "friend" and never hope to be.
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>
m.
no flames at adaf?
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m.
i was playing. you people need to play more around here besides eating
sweets!
you are not Daz, just like Daz
> or me or anyone else is not you. Everyone is different.
no kidding.
did you read what i wrote? i didn't say i had *your* answer nor anyone
elses. I said, you can take all the meds you want but until you make a
decision to change your life, you will most likely still be depressed. Any
therapist will tell ya that.
i also didn't say that meds don't work, i was making a criticism of the
ideology surrounding depression. it wasn't an attack on daz ( i don't know
daz). it was on the pushing of drugs mentality that i think is more
destructive than anything else. We are becoming a drug society. This isn't
the case anywhere else. We are also a society that has the LUXURY of being
depressed. it's selt-pity.
We give mental illnesses their reality. We construct these things. And at
the end of the day, if you are depressed, learning how to think differently
will do you more good than medicine cause the medicine isn't going to teach
you a more productive reasoning style.
When i am really down and thinking all fucked up, my husband will just say
to me, cut the self-pity and grow up. It pisses me off when i want to be
comforted, but he is right. We are and feel what we think. IF we sit around
thinking about how miserable our life is, our life will become miserable.
Its all in the power of thinking. This i know. This isn't an "opinion." This
is what psychology is based upon.
But people don't want to work anymore, or make changes to themselves. They
would rather pop a pill and have all their problems washed away. they would
rather believe that the problem is purely chemical. i won't deny endogeneous
depression. In fact, that is the only type of depression i would give a
semi-materially based reality to. The thing is, depression is becoming a
societal illness, a sign of cultural decay. Pushing pills takes the focus
off of the real problem here. We are breeding depressed people.
It will spell our doom until we start teaching people that depression is a
lot more than failure of neurotransmitters. that is a nice excuse that
pushes off the responsibility of being responsible for your own mental well
being.
it will spell our doom until we recognize the unbanal reality that
depression is becoming. this bothers me. to think of all the millions of
people thinking of killing themselves at this moment!
I made a comment about "passive acceptance." That is what is asked of us
as we grow up. Depressed people, or people with mental illnesses in general,
react against that. Ever hear the comment that the schizo is the most sane
out of us all? They best represent our societal conditions, but they are
just unable to "passively" deal with them?
i hate the fact that passive acceptance is my current reality. i hate my
society and country for its pure stupidity.
i hate the fact that even with our supposed top of the line "science" the
number of people that are depressed is just increasing, adn this is not
because it is less socially acceptable to admit it.
Like i said, depression is a luxery. Our grandparents didn't have time to be
depressed. If they didn't take care of their house, etc. they would starve
to death.
This isn't to say that it also isn't a chemcial reality. But my question is,
"what is going on in society that more and more people are having problems
adjusting to their environment?" And that, really, is what mental illnesses
really are all about. About the inability to adjust and act in ways others
deem normal. I will give you citations if you would like.
There are no
> absolutes....no reason to be nasty to someone because they express their
> opinion.
the style i picked to say my opinion was based on his/her form. i'm a
form/content junky when it comes to writing.
And one should definetely not read -real- emotion behind my emotive
language. There isn't any. It's how i like to play.
What you do works for you--great, cool! I'm really happy that you
> found the answer, but remember that your answer may not necessarily be
mine,
> or theirs.....
please read what i said, i didn't say i had THE answer. I said that as long
as one doesn't have the WILL to change, depression ain't going anywhere.
and for some reason daz is more allowed to say what (s)he said than what i
said or what smiling boy said. WHy is that? Why can't we have "valid"
opinions on depression? Daz cut us off by saying that "we don't know what
we are talkign about." (S)he said "'shut up. i wish people who didn't have
depression would just 'shut up'". Sorry, no patience for stupidity like
that. That, my dear, is closed minded. Read what i said, i wasn't closing
off anyone. I was enlarging the picture. Trying to bring to the table
the many aspects of "Depression" as a topic and "illness." O.k. you didn't
like my form. Well, i didn't like Daz's.
It pisses me off to no end that doctors just give out "happy pills". When i
first went on them, i had to be in therapy. Once upon a time this was a
requirement, as drugs alone won't do it.
But the asshole loser, criminal drug pushers have become so large that they
are allowed to advertise their wonder pills on the TV. Could you image if
one of the dope co-opts in california was allowed to go on TV and say, "if
you suffer from the nausea and lack of appetite due to cancer, we have the
solution for you. One joint before each meal, and you will be able to live
a normal life." Of course the side effects listed would be very small and it
would be obvious that dope is less harmful for you than many of the drugs
pushed legally.
Criminals.
Oh well, enough bitching for one day. I have work to do.
What was it that i said last week,
My insanity, my addiction if you will, would be just fucking fine if all
the idiots and capitalist pigs would just go away!
<sticks out tongue>
matisse
Daz
telling people to "fuck off" or "GROW THE FUCK UP"
Maybe next time you want to rant at someone maybe you should just stop and
try a "smile" instead.
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Daz
depressed. If they didn't take care of their house, etc. they would starve
to death
My Auntie at the age of nearly eighty suffered depression
all her life before commiting "Euthanasia".
I watched her die from her little luxury.
Depression has been a recognized disorder before you were born.
And I cannot abide your ignorance anymore than you can my stupidity.
eureka
know a "fucking idiot" or and "asshole"? Words are powerful tools and
weapons--calling someone hateful names doesn't help anything..in fact, one
would immeaditly toss aside anything meaningful that you had to say. I
respect you opinions, and I believe that you bring up true and valid points.
And there are plenty of fakers out there, and it is too bad that society has
become what it has. If one has as strong an opinion, such as yourself, it
might be easier to educate if you don't insult the person. I'm not mad at
you either, so don't take it that way, but I will stick my tounge back out
at you!! ;>)
eureka
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m.
telling someone to fuck off is the exact same as telling someone to fuck
off. or grow the fuck up for that matter.
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m.
yes i normally call people i don't know or don't like "fucking idiots" on
usenet, especially when they say "shut up" and have no idea as to what they
are talking about. this is usenet.
i tell my husband to "fuck off" all the time. it's the highest compliment,
or at least he sees it that way. i call myself a cunt. so what? aren't we
all....
It was also all part of my usenet training. I gave up that form some time
ago,
but occasionally it comes out of me, or rather, i like to use it when people
are already not listening.
I learned a long time ago that to get someone to listen when they aren't
open to listening is impossible, so i just entertain myself. do you ahve
any idea how many academic fools are concerned with the question as to how
to get some one to listen? you can talk the sweetest talk in the world, but
sometimes people just can't listen.
for what its worth, my whole family is fucked up with mental illnesses. My
grandmother spent her whole life wishing she was dead, as do two of my
cousins and an aunt. my mother was wretched when i was a child as well.
I have such a strong opinion about depression for two reasons: (1) i have
educated myself about its possible causes and cures and (2) my mother made
sure that she and i would break the cycle from our genealogy, even if the
rest of them *decided* to be miserable.
furthermore, i am not on usent or at adaf to make any friends. If you don't
like me, i don't care. If i say something that pisses someone off, i don't
care. Other peoples emotional wellbeing isn't my responsibility. Everyone
needs to do what they need to do to get by.
Sometimes people need pushes, sometimes they don't. Sometimes it's hard to
know when or where.
<sticks tongue out>
kiss kiss
Daz
prove it.
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eureka
fist in the velvet glove
<blows kisses to matisse>
and I don't care that you don't care--I have a great idea!! Let's all not
care in a big circle holding hands!! Yea!!
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m.
'and the sky and the impossible explode,
and for one moment i remember a song"
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m.
> different people respond to different things, but most of the people out
the
> with mental illness don't KNOW HOW to change their attitudes.....
i still am not sure if i know how to deal with "my attitude." its a hard
thing, but it is key. but it requires so many changes that it is almost
seemingly impossible.
it can make one so tired tha the point of it all disappears.
when the
> brain paths work, it makes it clearer & easier for the peace to enter your
> life----or not.
of course.
I believe that you have some very valid points, and most
> can benefit from what you said. It's all worth a try.....
EVERYTHING is worth a try, no?
eureka
>
> I believe that you have some very valid points, and most
> > can benefit from what you said. It's all worth a try.....
>
> EVERYTHING is worth a try, no?
congradulations! you have seen another view!!
<blows a kiss>
AMT
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