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David Dalton

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Mar 21, 2014, 3:05:38 AM3/21/14
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I started a thread on ordination of women on
alt.feminism and four other groups (including
two Catholic groups) and I would appreciate it
if you would have a look at it and comment
if you are so inclined. So far on the thread
there doesn't seem to be anybody but me who
supports ordination of women in the Catholic
church. Also I am a former Catholic, now
a neopagan, and I would like to see some
current Catholics supporting ordination posting,
and members of other denominations that already
have ordained women posting, and some other
non-Catholics posting.

--
David Dalton dal...@nfld.com http://www.nfld.com/~dalton (home page)
http://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)
"But once there was a darkness, deep and endless night
You gave me everything you had, oh you gave me light" (Sarah McLachlan)

David Dalton

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Mar 21, 2014, 3:07:38 AM3/21/14
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In article <dalton-A8AEC9....@mx05.eternal-september.org>,
David Dalton <dal...@nfld.com> wrote:

> I started a thread on ordination of women on
> alt.feminism and four other groups (including
> two Catholic groups) and I would appreciate it
> if you would have a look at it and comment
> if you are so inclined. So far on the thread
> there doesn't seem to be anybody but me who
> supports ordination of women in the Catholic
> church. Also I am a former Catholic, now
> a neopagan, and I would like to see some
> current Catholics supporting ordination posting,
> and members of other denominations that already
> have ordained women posting, and some other
> non-Catholics posting.

oops, I meant some other former Catholics,
including atheists and agnostics,
posting

Malygris

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Mar 21, 2014, 3:16:08 AM3/21/14
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David Dalton wrote:

> I started a thread on ordination of women on
> alt.feminism and four other groups (including
> two Catholic groups) and I would appreciate it
> if you would have a look at it and comment
> if you are so inclined. So far on the thread
> there doesn't seem to be anybody but me who
> supports ordination of women in the Catholic
> church. Also I am a former Catholic, now
> a neopagan, and I would like to see some
> current Catholics supporting ordination posting,
> and members of other denominations that already
> have ordained women posting, and some other
> non-Catholics posting.

My very Catholic grandmother thought starting ordination of women and
allowing priests to marry and have families would solve the RCCs worst
problems. I don't know if she was right.

Personally I don't give a damn, since I left the church I surely don't care
about it's wellbeing. I consider it a bad influence on the world, the only
way to change that would be to reform it into something unrecognizably
different or let it continue to shrink till it's unimportant. Ordaining
women might help with the former, not ordaining women might help with the
later.

--
Malygris

raven1

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Mar 21, 2014, 7:20:43 AM3/21/14
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On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 04:35:38 -0230, David Dalton <dal...@nfld.com>
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>I started a thread on ordination of women

Which you thought was relevant to alt.atheism why?

Mitchell Holman

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Mar 21, 2014, 8:54:29 AM3/21/14
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David Dalton <dal...@nfld.com> wrote in news:dalton-A8AEC9.04353821032014
@mx05.eternal-september.org:

> I started a thread on ordination of women on
> alt.feminism and four other groups (including
> two Catholic groups) and I would appreciate it
> if you would have a look at it and comment
> if you are so inclined. So far on the thread
> there doesn't seem to be anybody but me who
> supports ordination of women in the Catholic
> church. Also I am a former Catholic, now
> a neopagan, and I would like to see some
> current Catholics supporting ordination posting,
> and members of other denominations that already
> have ordained women posting, and some other
> non-Catholics posting.
>


Considering that the Catholic Church
is rapidly disappearing why does it matter?





Reeling from sex-abuse scandals, the Roman Catholic
Church is losing members in droves.

How severe is the crisis? It’s "the largest institutional
crisis in centuries, possibly in church history," says
the National Catholic Reporter. Worldwide, the Roman
Catholic Church now has 1.1 billion members, compared
with 1.5 billion Muslims and 593 million Protestants.
In the U.S., all the major denominations have seen their
numbers decline in recent years, but the Catholic Church
has taken the biggest hit. Since the 1960s, four American-
born Catholics have left the church for every one who has
converted, according to a 2009 Pew study. In 2008 alone,
Catholic membership declined by 400,000. More than 1,000
parishes have closed since 1995, and the number of priests
has fallen from about 49,000 to 40,000 during that same
period. Some 3,400 Catholic parishes in the U.S. now lack
a resident priest. "Catholicism is in decline across
America," says sociologist David Carlin.

http://theweek.com/article/index/202388/catholics-in-crisis

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Freedom Man

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Mar 21, 2014, 12:11:28 PM3/21/14
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Yes, women have the same right to be stupid as men do.


See what RELIGION does to peoples' minds?

Adults no longer believe in the Tooth Fairy - but they still torture and
kill each other over ancient myths and superstitions.

"We all remember how many religious wars were fought for a religion of love
and gentleness; how many bodies were burned alive with the genuinely kind
intention of saving souls from the eternal fire of hell." --- Karl Popper

"When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. When many
people suffer from a delusion, it is called Religion."
--- Robert M. Pirsig

Either God wants to abolish evil and cannot, or he can but does not want to.
If he wants to but cannot he is impotent. If he can but does not want to, he
is wicked. If he neither can nor wants to, then he is both powerless and
wicked.
--- Epicurus, Greek philosopher, circa 300 B.C.

"Act of God" disasters like the Japanese earthquake expose the myth. Either
God can do nothing to stop catastrophes like this, or he doesn't care to, or
he doesn't exist. He is thus either impotent, evil, or imaginary.
--- CNN Belief Blog, 3-20-11

"With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and
evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that
takes religion."
--- Steven Weinberg, quoted in The New York Times, April 20, 1999

"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from
religious conviction." --- Blaise Pascal.

"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false,
and by rulers as useful."
--- Seneca the Younger (4? BC - 65 AD)

"Religion once ruled the world. It was called the Dark Ages." --- Ruth
Green.

"Science flies you to the moon. Religion flies you into buildings." ---
Victor Stenger.

"I don't believe in God because I don't believe in Mother Goose." ---
Clarence Darrow

"As my ancestors are free from slavery, I am free from the slavery of
religion." --- Butterfly McQueen

"Religion was invented when the first con-man met the first fool." - Mark
Twain

"Faith is believing what you know ain't so." --- Mark Twain

"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in
all fiction." --- Richard Dawkins

"Cult today, religion tomorrow."

The Freedom From Religion Foundation: http://ffrf.org/
The Secular Coalition for America: www.secular.org
Secular Student Alliance: www.secularstudents.org
www.infidels.org
www.humaniststudies.org
www.atheistalliance.org
www.americanhumanist.org


Dakota

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Mar 21, 2014, 12:13:22 PM3/21/14
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On 3/21/2014 10:31 AM, Punch wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 04:35:38 -0230, David Dalton <dal...@nfld.com> wrote:
>
>> I started a thread on ordination of women on
>> alt.feminism and four other groups (including
>> two Catholic groups) and I would appreciate it
>> if you would have a look at it and comment
>> if you are so inclined. So far on the thread
>> there doesn't seem to be anybody but me who
>> supports ordination of women in the Catholic
>> church. Also I am a former Catholic, now
>> a neopagan, and I would like to see some
>> current Catholics supporting ordination posting,
>> and members of other denominations that already
>> have ordained women posting, and some other
>> non-Catholics posting.
>
> Satan was an angel of light, he is the father of all pagans. Satan loves to
> keep people in bondage and befuddle their minds. He hates humans and only
> uses them as pawns in his war with Almighty God.
>
Who created Satan? Was it the same god that created evil?

Is 45:7

Witziges Rätsel

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Mar 21, 2014, 2:59:55 PM3/21/14
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On 3/21/2014 11:31 AM, Punch wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 04:35:38 -0230, David Dalton <dal...@nfld.com> wrote:
>
>> I started a thread on ordination of women on
>> alt.feminism and four other groups (including
>> two Catholic groups) and I would appreciate it
>> if you would have a look at it and comment
>> if you are so inclined. So far on the thread
>> there doesn't seem to be anybody but me who
>> supports ordination of women in the Catholic
>> church. Also I am a former Catholic, now
>> a neopagan, and I would like to see some
>> current Catholics supporting ordination posting,
>> and members of other denominations that already
>> have ordained women posting, and some other
>> non-Catholics posting.
>
> Satan was an angel of light, he is the father of all pagans. Satan loves to
> keep people in bondage and befuddle their minds. He hates humans and only
> uses them as pawns in his war with Almighty God.
>
Does anybody actually believe that crap?

linuxgal

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Mar 21, 2014, 8:42:16 PM3/21/14
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Punch wrote:
> Satan was an angel of light, he is the father of all pagans. Satan loves to
> keep people in bondage and befuddle their minds. He hates humans and only
> uses them as pawns in his war with Almighty God.

What a coincidence, Satan resembles Melkor in every detail, except that
Melkor hates elves too.

Jeanne Douglas

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Mar 21, 2014, 8:57:53 PM3/21/14
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In article <lghm0s$f12$1...@speranza.aioe.org>, Punch <y...@out.can> wrote:

> On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 04:35:38 -0230, David Dalton <dal...@nfld.com> wrote:
>
> > I started a thread on ordination of women on
> > alt.feminism and four other groups (including
> > two Catholic groups) and I would appreciate it
> > if you would have a look at it and comment
> > if you are so inclined. So far on the thread
> > there doesn't seem to be anybody but me who
> > supports ordination of women in the Catholic
> > church. Also I am a former Catholic, now
> > a neopagan, and I would like to see some
> > current Catholics supporting ordination posting,
> > and members of other denominations that already
> > have ordained women posting, and some other
> > non-Catholics posting.
>
> Satan was an angel of light, he is the father of all pagans. Satan loves to
> keep people in bondage and befuddle their minds. He hates humans and only
> uses them as pawns in his war with Almighty God.


Do you have any evidence that this satan thing exists? Objective and
verifiable evidence only, of course.

--

JD

"If our country is going broke, let it be from
feeding the poor and caring for the elderly.
And not from pampering the rich and fighting
wars for them."--Living Blue in a Red State (seen on Facebook)

Jeanne Douglas

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Mar 21, 2014, 8:59:02 PM3/21/14
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In article <lgi27b$kig$2...@dont-email.me>,
Apparently.

Dakota

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Mar 21, 2014, 10:47:30 PM3/21/14
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Satan loves elves. And Elvis.

kni...@baawa.com

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Mar 21, 2014, 10:55:01 PM3/21/14
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On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 04:35:38 -0230, David Dalton <dal...@nfld.com>
wrote:

>I started a thread on ordination of women on
>alt.feminism and four other groups (including
>two Catholic groups) and I would appreciate it
>if you would have a look at it and comment
>if you are so inclined. So far on the thread
>there doesn't seem to be anybody but me who
>supports ordination of women in the Catholic
>church. Also I am a former Catholic, now
>a neopagan, and I would like to see some
>current Catholics supporting ordination posting,
>and members of other denominations that already
>have ordained women posting, and some other
>non-Catholics posting.

Why would atheists be interested in neo pagan bullshit?
Superstition is mental sewage.

Warlord Steve
BAAWA

Olrik

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Mar 21, 2014, 11:35:26 PM3/21/14
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Le 2014-03-21 11:31, Punch a écrit :
> On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 04:35:38 -0230, David Dalton <dal...@nfld.com> wrote:
>
>> I started a thread on ordination of women on
>> alt.feminism and four other groups (including
>> two Catholic groups) and I would appreciate it
>> if you would have a look at it and comment
>> if you are so inclined. So far on the thread
>> there doesn't seem to be anybody but me who
>> supports ordination of women in the Catholic
>> church. Also I am a former Catholic, now
>> a neopagan, and I would like to see some
>> current Catholics supporting ordination posting,
>> and members of other denominations that already
>> have ordained women posting, and some other
>> non-Catholics posting.
>
> Satan was an angel of light, he is the father of all pagans. Satan loves to
> keep people in bondage and befuddle their minds. He hates humans and only
> uses them as pawns in his war with Almighty God.

It's not an «Almighty God» if it can't defeat a simple «angel».

Your novel is inconsistent. Try buying your spirituality from another store.


--
Olrik
aa #1981
EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division

Olrik

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Mar 21, 2014, 11:38:13 PM3/21/14
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Who doesn't?

Jeanne Douglas

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Mar 22, 2014, 1:21:23 AM3/22/14
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In article <lgj0jd$a0e$2...@dont-email.me>, Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> Le 2014-03-21 20:42, linuxgal a écrit :
> > Punch wrote:
> >> Satan was an angel of light, he is the father of all pagans. Satan
> >> loves to
> >> keep people in bondage and befuddle their minds. He hates humans and only
> >> uses them as pawns in his war with Almighty God.
> >
> > What a coincidence, Satan resembles Melkor in every detail, except that
> > Melkor hates elves too.
>
> Who doesn't?

You hate Legolas and Galadriel?

--

JD

³Labor is prior to and independent of capital.
Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could
never have existed if labor had not first
existed. Labor is the superior of capital,
and deserves much the higher consideration.²
--Abraham Lincoln

Dakota

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Mar 22, 2014, 3:18:26 AM3/22/14
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On 3/22/2014 12:21 AM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
> In article <lgj0jd$a0e$2...@dont-email.me>, Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Le 2014-03-21 20:42, linuxgal a écrit :
>>> Punch wrote:
>>>> Satan was an angel of light, he is the father of all pagans. Satan
>>>> loves to
>>>> keep people in bondage and befuddle their minds. He hates humans and only
>>>> uses them as pawns in his war with Almighty God.
>>>
>>> What a coincidence, Satan resembles Melkor in every detail, except that
>>> Melkor hates elves too.
>>
>> Who doesn't?
>
> You hate Legolas and Galadriel?
>
How about the Keebler Elves? I just learned that they've been baking
Girl Scout Cookies for over 40 years. (Don't tell the Jehovah's Witnesses.)

SkyEyes

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Mar 22, 2014, 3:21:05 AM3/22/14
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Punch <y...@out.can> wrote in news:lghm0s$f12$1...@speranza.aioe.org:

> On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 04:35:38 -0230, David Dalton <dal...@nfld.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I started a thread on ordination of women on
>> alt.feminism and four other groups (including
>> two Catholic groups) and I would appreciate it
>> if you would have a look at it and comment
>> if you are so inclined. So far on the thread
>> there doesn't seem to be anybody but me who
>> supports ordination of women in the Catholic
>> church. Also I am a former Catholic, now
>> a neopagan, and I would like to see some
>> current Catholics supporting ordination posting,
>> and members of other denominations that already
>> have ordained women posting, and some other
>> non-Catholics posting.
>
> Satan was an angel of light, he is the father of all pagans. Satan
> loves to keep people in bondage and befuddle their minds. He hates
> humans and only uses them as pawns in his war with Almighty God.

That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. If a god exists and he is
omni-everthing, as advertised, and Satan exists and was once an angel who
was personally in the presence of this god, then why would Satan rebel
against him? He'd have to know he'd lose.

There are so many holes in your theory that it's nothing but old lace.
Gods and demons are both man-made myths. Grow up and get over it.

--
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34 and A+ atheist
BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com



Jeanne Douglas

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Mar 22, 2014, 3:38:53 AM3/22/14
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In article <lgjdg8$bin$1...@dont-email.me>, Dakota <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com>
wrote:
James says it's not true about Jehovah's Witnesses and the Girl Scouts.

I love the Keebler Elves; they make cookies, for crying out loud!!!!

Pecan Sandies, yummmmm!

Dakota

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Mar 22, 2014, 3:59:07 AM3/22/14
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On 3/22/2014 2:38 AM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
> In article <lgjdg8$bin$1...@dont-email.me>, Dakota <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 3/22/2014 12:21 AM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
>>> In article <lgj0jd$a0e$2...@dont-email.me>, Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Le 2014-03-21 20:42, linuxgal a écrit :
>>>>> Punch wrote:
>>>>>> Satan was an angel of light, he is the father of all pagans. Satan
>>>>>> loves to
>>>>>> keep people in bondage and befuddle their minds. He hates humans and only
>>>>>> uses them as pawns in his war with Almighty God.
>>>>>
>>>>> What a coincidence, Satan resembles Melkor in every detail, except that
>>>>> Melkor hates elves too.
>>>>
>>>> Who doesn't?
>>>
>>> You hate Legolas and Galadriel?
>>>
>> How about the Keebler Elves? I just learned that they've been baking
>> Girl Scout Cookies for over 40 years. (Don't tell the Jehovah's Witnesses.)
>
> James says it's not true about Jehovah's Witnesses and the Girl Scouts.
>
> I love the Keebler Elves; they make cookies, for crying out loud!!!!
>
> Pecan Sandies, yummmmm!
>
That's my favorite too.

Olrik

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Mar 23, 2014, 11:41:00 PM3/23/14
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Le 2014-03-22 01:21, Jeanne Douglas a écrit :
> In article <lgj0jd$a0e$2...@dont-email.me>, Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Le 2014-03-21 20:42, linuxgal a écrit :
>>> Punch wrote:
>>>> Satan was an angel of light, he is the father of all pagans. Satan
>>>> loves to
>>>> keep people in bondage and befuddle their minds. He hates humans and only
>>>> uses them as pawns in his war with Almighty God.
>>>
>>> What a coincidence, Satan resembles Melkor in every detail, except that
>>> Melkor hates elves too.
>>
>> Who doesn't?
>
> You hate Legolas and Galadriel?

You mean those pointy-eared snobbish little pricks? Indeed I do!

Jeanne Douglas

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Mar 24, 2014, 2:04:58 AM3/24/14
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In article <lgo9gn$uk$3...@dont-email.me>, Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> Le 2014-03-22 01:21, Jeanne Douglas a écrit :
> > In article <lgj0jd$a0e$2...@dont-email.me>, Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Le 2014-03-21 20:42, linuxgal a écrit :
> >>> Punch wrote:
> >>>> Satan was an angel of light, he is the father of all pagans. Satan
> >>>> loves to
> >>>> keep people in bondage and befuddle their minds. He hates humans and only
> >>>> uses them as pawns in his war with Almighty God.
> >>>
> >>> What a coincidence, Satan resembles Melkor in every detail, except that
> >>> Melkor hates elves too.
> >>
> >> Who doesn't?
> >
> > You hate Legolas and Galadriel?
>
> You mean those pointy-eared snobbish little pricks? Indeed I do!

But...but....but Orlando Bloom never looked so good!
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