No more annual subscriptions

[Jordan]

I received a letter from DISH in the mail today stating that all
annual subscriptions will be switched to monthly on 5/22, with
existing subs billed against their existing annual balance until
that's deleted, and given a 1-month credit the first year.

Has anyone heard why they are doing this?

--
Jordan.

[Kraven]

This is interesting. Canadian companies have been doing this for this
past few years.. trashing the contracts.


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[juan]

I "think" they gave a discount on the annual subscriptions..alas money
hungry fools


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[AMUN]

juan wrote:
> I "think" they gave a discount on the annual subscriptions..alas money
> hungry fools
>

Don't forget that they will now have 12 times a year that payments can be a
day late, and they can charge penalties and interest.
As well as 12 payment processing charges instead of 1.

But the question I have is what happens to the 2-3 year terms, if the yearly
contracts are trashed ?
...Although I think I already know the answer.

[Lloyd]

In article <klied8$q1h$1...@speranza.aioe.org>,

"AMUN" <anti...@sparmmstop.org> wrote:

> juan wrote:
> > I "think" they gave a discount on the annual subscriptions..alas money
> > hungry fools
> >
>
>
> Don't forget that they will now have 12 times a year that payments can be a
> day late, and they can charge penalties and interest.
> As well as 12 payment processing charges instead of 1.
>

So you're so sloppy in your bill paying that is a concern?

And exactly what 'payment processing' charges? The ones charged when
you don't pay on time and call in?

> But the question I have is what happens to the 2-3 year terms, if the yearly
> contracts are trashed ?
> ...Although I think I already know the answer.

Probably not.

[Patrick Martin]

>>Don't forget that they will now have 12 times a year that payments can
be a day late, and they can charge penalties and interest. As well as 12
payment processing charges instead of 1.
But the question I have is what happens to the 2-3 year terms, if the
yearly contracts are trashed ?
..Although I think I already know the answer.<<

Don't forget Credit Card Auto Pay. That will solve late charges and as
with any service, if you don't like the terms, cancel it. Does Direct TV
have an annual pay period? I don't remember that offered with cable, but
I have not subbed to cable in 25 years.

Patrick

[Jordan]

>juan wrote:
>> I "think" they gave a discount on the annual subscriptions..alas
>> money hungry fools

Yes, the discount was about an 8-9% discount, roughly equal to one
month's service (but slightly less in recent years). So, in
offering the one free month, DISH is at least honoring this for the
remainder of an annual sub's term.

Depending on when someone's annual term rolled over, they could
also see a further benefit from avoiding each price increase for a
significant part of a year. Mine renewed toward the end of
November, and price hikes tend to happen around February, so that
was a nice thing. Elimination of this perk might be one reason
they're dropping the option.

On the other hand, if a customer is thinking about dropping DISH
for a competitor, perhaps after receiving some limited-time offer
from DirecTV or cable, or looking for non-essential services to cut
when money gets tight, this change certainly makes the logistics
easier.

I'll be staying for now, but have been looking around at various
over-the-top IPTV services, and already have up a good antenna for
HD locals. I'll certainly be willing to switch if something comes
along that others in my household find acceptable, where we don't
have to pay a significant portion of the fee to cover sports
programming that no one watches.

AMUN <anti...@sparmmstop.org> wrote:
>
>Don't forget that they will now have 12 times a year that payments
>can be a day late, and they can charge penalties and interest. As
>well as 12 payment processing charges instead of 1.

I expect, but of course can't prove that most annual subs were more
conscientious than average about paying bills on time, or were
already on credit-card autopay as another poster mentioned.

>But the question I have is what happens to the 2-3 year terms, if
>the yearly contracts are trashed ?
>...Although I think I already know the answer.

The recent prevalence of these might be another reason for annual
subscriptions getting the axe-- less benefit to DISH in "locking
in" a customer if most are tied to contracts anyway.

--
Jordan.

[AMUN]

Lloyd wrote:
> In article <klied8$q1h$1...@speranza.aioe.org>,
> "AMUN" <anti...@sparmmstop.org> wrote:
>
>> juan wrote:
>>> I "think" they gave a discount on the annual subscriptions..alas money
>>> hungry fools
>>>
>>
>>
>> Don't forget that they will now have 12 times a year that payments can
>> be a day late, and they can charge penalties and interest.
>> As well as 12 payment processing charges instead of 1.
>>
> So you're so sloppy in your bill paying that is a concern?

I guess you never had things get lost or delayed in the mail, or even by
banks ?

>
> And exactly what 'payment processing' charges? The ones charged when
> you don't pay on time and call in?

Look on your bill, in the detailed charges.
Unless you never scrutinize your bills either and just pay the
balance,...without question, as ordered.

>
>> But the question I have is what happens to the 2-3 year terms, if the
>> yearly contracts are trashed ?
>> ...Although I think I already know the answer.
>
> Probably not.

I'll bet they still won't let you leave without paying a penalty,....
So Was I as wrong as you thought, or dead on ?


And of course those who chose Auto-Pay, will just have the amount taken
without even getting a chance to dispute it.

[AMUN]

I wouldn't trust leaving my kids in Dish's care.
So why would I trust them with my bank account, and use autopay ?

[Lloyd]

In article <klumb0$kpb$1...@speranza.aioe.org>,

"AMUN" <anti...@sparmmstop.org> wrote:

> Lloyd wrote:
> > In article <klied8$q1h$1...@speranza.aioe.org>,
> > "AMUN" <anti...@sparmmstop.org> wrote:
> >
> >> juan wrote:
> >>> I "think" they gave a discount on the annual subscriptions..alas money
> >>> hungry fools
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> Don't forget that they will now have 12 times a year that payments can
> >> be a day late, and they can charge penalties and interest.
> >> As well as 12 payment processing charges instead of 1.
> >>
> > So you're so sloppy in your bill paying that is a concern?
>
>
>
> I guess you never had things get lost or delayed in the mail, or even by
> banks ?
>

Not in the 69 years I've lived on this ball of dirt. And most
especially with online/electronic billing.

>
>
> >
> > And exactly what 'payment processing' charges? The ones charged when
> > you don't pay on time and call in?
>
>
>
> Look on your bill, in the detailed charges.
> Unless you never scrutinize your bills either and just pay the
> balance,...without question, as ordered.
>

Just for you I did look on my bill, including past ones from Dish and
Direct. Nope, no 'payment processing' charges at all.

>
>
>
>
> >
> >> But the question I have is what happens to the 2-3 year terms, if the
> >> yearly contracts are trashed ?
> >> ...Although I think I already know the answer.
> >
> > Probably not.
>
>
> I'll bet they still won't let you leave without paying a penalty,....

Sure you can leave without a penalty as long as you've finished the time
you contracted to subscribe for. Why would you think otherwise?

Oh yeah, you're one of those that want no contract. Dish has those too,
but they don't give discounts and other incentives if you want to do it
that way.

You are totally free to do it either way, or just watch OTA or pirated
shit.

> So Was I as wrong as you thought, or dead on ?
>

Wrong as usual.

>
> And of course those who chose Auto-Pay, will just have the amount taken
> without even getting a chance to dispute it.

What makes you think that? My bill generates on the 3rd of the month, I
get an email that it is ready for review on that date, and it is paid on
the 24th of the month. Plenty of time for even serious procrastinators
to get around to reviewing and/or disputing a charge.

Of course lazy folks like you probably won't or don't do that.

[Patrick Martin]

>>I wouldn't trust leaving my kids in Dish's care. So why would I trust
them with my bank account, and use autopay ?<<

You don't trust them with your bank account but with a secured credit
card. Plus, why would you even sub to any company you don't trust? Dish
subscribrs should trust their company. Otherwise go elsewhere. I have
used CC Auto Pay for years and nothing has happened tome, and millions
of others.

Patrick

[AMUN]

Patrick Martin wrote:
>>> I wouldn't trust leaving my kids in Dish's care. So why would I trust
> them with my bank account, and use autopay ?<<
>
> You don't trust them with your bank account but with a secured credit
> card.

Just as bad to straighten out any "mistakes",....and with a credit card you
even get to pay interest until errors are corrected.

>Plus, why would you even sub to any company you don't trust?

Oh,...well, I lost trust in Dish, read too many horror stories about
customers who DID sing up for autopay, and said I don't need surprises like
that, so am no longer a customer. That should be fair enough

> subscribrs should trust their company. Otherwise go elsewhere.

Done, and I now live with an antenna , and FTA, and save a fortune every
month, that Dish used to get.
The few TV shows I do watch, usually come over the internet, delayed a
bit,...but that's fine for my needs.

Got satellite years ago for the specialty channels, mostly the higher-brow
ones,....but seeing that History Channel is now airing shows by "Larry The
Cable Guy", and Pawnbrokers, etc.,... I think I made the right move to give
up.

I have
> used CC Auto Pay for years and nothing has happened tome, and millions
> of others.
>
> Patrick

But there are millions of others who did not have your good fortune,....In
disgust, they dumped the autopay, AND DISH.

[Lloyd]

In article <km1i95$5dr$1...@speranza.aioe.org>,

I'm sure you have a link showing 'millions of others' right?

[Robert Neville]

"AMUN" <anti...@sparmmstop.org> wrote:

>and with a credit card you
>even get to pay interest until errors are corrected.

Not in the US. If a charge is disputed, no interest can be charged until the
issue is resolved. If the charge is found to be valid, then interest can be
charged from the date of the charge, subject to the terms oft he account.

[Robert Neville]

"AMUN" <anti...@sparmmstop.org> wrote:

>Done, and I now live with an antenna , and FTA, and save a fortune every
>month, that Dish used to get.
>The few TV shows I do watch, usually come over the internet, delayed a
>bit,...but that's fine for my needs

Same here and have been living that way for almost 10 years now. Just closed a
very old Netflix account as well. Amazon Prime and Amazon Instand Video covers
most of what I want to see.

[Patrick Martin]

How many local OTA channels do you get? We only have a few translators
here, so not a lot of choice. With subchannels 10 or 12. Now if I lived
in So Cal where a person gets over 100 channels OTA, I may not sub to
Dish either.

Patrick

[James Harrison]

On Fri, 3 May 2013 19:46:46 -0400, "AMUN" <anti...@sparmmstop.org>
wrote:

>Just as bad to straighten out any "mistakes",....and with a credit card you
>even get to pay interest until errors are corrected.

Like most of what you type, that statement is pure BULLSHIT! Of
course, I know it's confusing to you since you've obviously never had
a credit card.

[AMUN]

So you claim there are NEVER mistakes made on credit cards ?
If so, it's obvious YOU have never had one.

Had plenty of credit cards, but I did get rid of them all, when
banks/finance companies started getting greedy.
Nothing like paying with cash to get even better deals than you will ever
get with your plastic.

But dish doesn't like cash,....as they can't attempt to overcharge you
without you knowing instantly.
And I never have to waste my time and effort later, getting overcharges
corrected,....especially with Dish and their bangladesh based customer
support.

[James Harrison]

On Sun, 19 May 2013 02:06:48 -0400, "AMUN" <anti...@sparmmstop.org>
wrote:

>
>
>James Harrison wrote:
>> On Fri, 3 May 2013 19:46:46 -0400, "AMUN" <anti...@sparmmstop.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Just as bad to straighten out any "mistakes",....and with a credit
>>> card you even get to pay interest until errors are corrected.
>>
>> Like most of what you type, that statement is pure BULLSHIT! Of
>> course, I know it's confusing to you since you've obviously never had
>> a credit card.
>
>
>
>
>So you claim there are NEVER mistakes made on credit cards ?
>If so, it's obvious YOU have never had one.
>

Read above and see what sentence I was responding to when I posted
that. If you have to contest a charge, YOU DO NOT INCUR ANY INTEREST
CHARGES while the claim is being investigated. If your claim is
upheld, then you never pay any interest on it because it's like it
never occurred. And in my 35+ year credit history, no, I've never had
any issue rise to that level. Nothing ever got to the point where I
had to refuse to pay a bill or risk paying interest because I
disagreed with something on it. But that's probably because I caught
things early and handled them like an adult.

>Had plenty of credit cards, but I did get rid of them all, when
>banks/finance companies started getting greedy.
>Nothing like paying with cash to get even better deals than you will ever
>get with your plastic.

Cash has its place. I never said it didn't. I only said that your
statement showed a lack of understanding of the subject. Now I wonder
why you really had to get rid of all of your credit cards.

>But dish doesn't like cash,....as they can't attempt to overcharge you
>without you knowing instantly.

Please tell me professor, how is Dish supposed to (or better yet, why
should they have to) accept cash for their service? It would be such
a horrible inconvenience to me to pay Dish each month using actual
cash. It's just so unthinkable. But you do realize there are many
other ways to pay Dish rather than using credit card auto-pay, right?

>And I never have to waste my time and effort later, getting overcharges
>corrected,....especially with Dish and their bangladesh based customer
>support.

Neither have I. And I've been a customer since 1997 but I've only had
to deal with customer support fewer times than I can count on both
hands. And any time I talked with them I always got my issue
resolved. I get billed electronically (my choice), pay using a credit
card with rebates and no annual fee (never been on auto-pay), and my
service goes rolling merrily along. And their charges to my cards
have ALWAYS been correct, and I always pay the cards off each month,
so I never pay any interest on my cards for any reason. Now do you
understand why it's hard to take your statement about credit cards
seriously?

[AMUN]

By your own admision it takes you extra work to verify charges.
I have more than enough to do in the average day to need more work, that
earns me no profit.

If you haven't had ANY problems with overcharges on credit cards. Run right
out and buy every lottery ticket you can,...because you must be the luckiest
person on earth.

[James Harrison]

On Tue, 21 May 2013 18:02:09 -0400, "AMUN" <anti...@sparmmstop.org>

It is simply astonishing how you twist posts around, how you distort
what a person posts, and even outright make shit up that was never
said. How much work is it to see a number and say, "Oh, that's the
same as last month's amount." It probably takes less time to think it
that it does to say it. But then that would require that you actually
think, and I don't think that's your intent here.

I pay bills every month. Presuming you aren't just some troll living
out of your mother's basement, you give off this allusion that you pay
bills, too. So again, professor, how much effort does it require that
you notice when a bill's amount changes from one month to another?
When you scan down a check register (especially a digital one that can
be sorted by payee) and see all the payment amounts in a column, just
how much effort is being expended? I suspect you will come back with
some silly, non-responsive "answer" just to avoid having to admit
you're here simply because you have a personal axe to grind with Dish
Network. So much for your claim of having so much work that you need
to do in an average day that you don't need to do any more that
doesn't earn you a profit. Is that a tacit admission that you indeed
get paid by someone to contaminate this group with your stupidity?

And for the record, I've only had one issue with a credit card. Some
Russian gang got my one of my card's number over a decade ago
(probably through a security breach at a former web hosting provider)
and put a $20+ charge on it. I noticed it immediately, called the
bank, and the charge was put into dispute and completely removed
within 2 weeks. I never paid it, nor was I ever charged any interest
on it. So you can take that condescending lottery ticket statement
and shove it up your ass, idiot.