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110 signal locked, 119 got signal but wrong sat.

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Bernard

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Apr 20, 2004, 8:02:33 PM4/20/04
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Hello, we got a Dish 500. It has been working well for over three
years. We moved 10 days ago and just took the dish out and got it set
up.

We got a signal (above 75) for 110, transponder 3; also a signal about
60 to 70 for 119, but it says wrong sat.

Is the dish picking up signal only from the 110? Should we try using
transponder 3 of 119 to get a signal instead? Is there an easy way to
do so from the current angles we have.

Thank you for your help in advance.

Cheers,
Bernard

Steve Jenkins

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Apr 20, 2004, 8:30:23 PM4/20/04
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Bernard wrote:
> Is the dish picking up signal only from the 110? Should we try using
> transponder 3 of 119 to get a signal instead? Is there an easy way to
> do so from the current angles we have.

I assume you are using the correct angles for your new house and not the
same angles as for you old house, assuming you moved to a different
distant zipcode.

Dennis Jenkins

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Apr 20, 2004, 8:49:41 PM4/20/04
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It sounds like you are on the right track. There is no longer a
transponder 3 on 119 in my area. It's a spot beam elsewhere.

Dennis Jenkins

John Lodge

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Apr 20, 2004, 9:39:06 PM4/20/04
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Bernard,

Its likely you don't have your Dish 500 pointed properly. You probably
are receiving 110 on the 119 LNBF and you are receiving a signal on the
110 LNBF is likely coming from 101 which will give you a signal but since
101 is the DirecTV slot you will not BE able to tune anything from that
slot.

John

John

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Apr 20, 2004, 10:17:34 PM4/20/04
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Bernard wrote:


Bernard,

First of all, use transponder 11 to point your dish. Second, if you are
getting a green bar on 1 satellite and yellow (wrong satellite) on the
other, try running a switch check.

John

Bernard

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Apr 21, 2004, 4:44:10 PM4/21/04
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Thank you everyone, more info here. The new house is in the same ZIP
code (13637) as the old house.

When I select 110, it got a signal (green) and says "Locked --
Echostar 110 West", and when I select 119, it got a signal (red) and
says "Wrong Sat -- Echostar 100 West".

Selecting 110, cover the white round thing on the LNBF that says 110,
get about the same signal strength, covering the one that says 119,
get 0 signals.

Same with selecting 119 (cover 110, same signal; cover 119, got 0).

So, may be move the dish about 9 degrees west and lower the elevation
a couple degrees?

Thank you for your kind help in advance.

Cheers,
Bernard

Dennis Jenkins

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Apr 21, 2004, 6:14:15 PM4/21/04
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You are not doing it according to the instructions that came with my
Dish 500. I was instructed to get the dish working for 119 without
the switches and then hook up the switches and tweak it for 110.

That was a while ago and you may well have totally different LNB's and
switches.

What do your instructions say?

Dennis Jenkins

Bernard

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Apr 21, 2004, 10:30:52 PM4/21/04
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I have a twin LNBF. Yes, the instructions do say get a signal for
119, then tweak a little to get 110 to work also. I will try again
tomorrow.

Cheers,
Bernard

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John Lodge

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Apr 22, 2004, 8:46:13 AM4/22/04
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Bernard,

The problem is that you are using a Twin and as long as the Twin can see 119 even if you are receiving it from the
110 side of the TWIN it will NOT display a problem. I suggest you cover the 110 side of the TWIN with Foil and then see
what you get, and repoint accordingly.

John

Bernard

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Apr 22, 2004, 12:41:20 PM4/22/04
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Boy this is frustrating. I was able to set up the Dish 500 with
relative ease for the last two houses, but not this one. Tried
elevation angles from 22 to 34 in steps of 1 degree (supposed to be
26). For each elevation angle, move the dish for a range of about 60
degrees in tiny changes. No luck. I am using transponder 11 for 119
W.

By the way, 34 degree elevation was where the signal of 110 is coming
in (wrongly) through the round hole marked 119 on the twin LBNF.

The twin LNBF and the built-in switch should still be working. We got
a good signal from both 110 and 119 just 10 days ago before we moved.

Any suggestions most welcomed. Thank you for your kind help.

Cheers,
Bernard

Dennis Jenkins

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Apr 22, 2004, 3:05:00 PM4/22/04
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Is there a tree or some other obstruction involved?

I remember one fellow here who about drove himself nuts trying to get
a signal and it turned out he mounted the dish in such a manner that
the edge of the roof was an obstruction.

The dish does "look" several degrees higher than it appears.

I'm not an expert at this by any means. Just trying to help.

Dennis Jenkins

John Lodge

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Apr 22, 2004, 4:01:20 PM4/22/04
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Dennis,

You are correct, all DBS Dish's are offset by about 22 degrees, meaning
that the apparent angle of the Dish perpendicular to the ground is NOT the
angle the signal is coming from. The look angle of the Dish is 22 Degrees
HIGHER than the apparent angle of the Dish.

John

Bernard

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Apr 22, 2004, 10:50:11 PM4/22/04
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Thank you guys. I am running short on ideas.

There is a long narrow tree about 30 feet away in the general
direction (southwest). It may be part of the problem.

We moved the setup to several different places, and did manage to get
the maximum signal from 110W (coming in from the 119 hole) to increase
from about 75 to 105.

From reading past postings, here is a plan:

Unplug the receiver,
disconnect the RG6 cable,
plug in the receiver,
do a switch test,
turn off the receiver,
connect the RG6 cable,
plug in the receiver,
aim for 119W by lowering about 2 degrees in elevation and move to the
west 8-10 degrees,
if and when get a signal for 119W, do a switch test.

There is a good old fashion single dish I can probably borrow if this
fails. I can at least try to aim at the 110W and 119W separately to
see if the tree comes into play. Make sense?

Thanks again for all your kind help.

Cheers,
Bernard


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Bernard

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Apr 23, 2004, 5:35:25 PM4/23/04
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Finally managed to get something from 119W, though only at about 60
strong, while the 110W is at over 115! Before (last house), the 110W
came in much weaker than the 119W. I had to lower from 34 to 28 on
the elevation and moved to the west a bit at a time to get the 119W,
then reboot and so on.

Not sure how to get a stronger signal from the 119W, I tried moved
left and right and up and down a couple degrees, not much help.

Am happy just to finally get it in, and thank you once again for all
your help.

Cheers,
Bernard

John Lodge

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Apr 23, 2004, 8:56:23 PM4/23/04
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Bernard,

Did you set reset the Skew On the Dish for your New Address, lastly
you have to make sure that your Mast is absolutely PLUMB.

John

Bernard

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Apr 24, 2004, 1:56:58 PM4/24/04
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Yes, I did check the skew angle, I moved to a new house with the same
ZIP code so it stayed the same. Checked the plumb using a level on
three sides of the mast, looks OK. I am going to leave it for now,
since we do get a signal from 119W, though only at around 60 strong.

Thanks again for all your help.

Cheers,
Bernard


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