On 09/27/2013 10:37 PM, Marxette wrote:
It's an interesting idea. I don't deny that her teetotaler claims
totally preempted the idea, for me, early on. Even my father said that,
when they would all go out to hit the bars, she would just order
something like vinegar and water. That, and the fact that she stopped
partying with my mother, after she got married - and always claimed to
have a problem with my mother's drinking (though, really, she was just
badmouthing her because she now had to stay home with the kids) - threw
me off from even considering that sort of alternative for her behavior.
A few years ago, I was talking to one of her daughters and I kept coming
up against erratic behavior that made it difficult for me to have a
simple conversation with her. Suddenly, it hit me that some of these
personality quirks, of hers - which I had long been familiar with -
could, very likely, be a product of drug abuse. That was about as far
as I took that, too. Then, there is another one of her daughters which
I could say similar things about.
So, the more that I consider the idea, the more that I have to say that
- yes - you have a definite point, there. I ought to know, by now, how
secretive they can be - on top of all of their flat-out lies and
hypocrisy. I would, still, like a little more evidence, though.
> One clue is that her husband always brought home lots of money but
> they never seemed to have any. They lived paycheck to paycheck an'
> borrowed from relatives an' bad people but Turin said his uncle
> retired at $80k/year. They had nice houses but hardly anything
> expensive inside like furniture, except for TVs an' the latest video
> systems for the youngest kid. The kids had to wear second hand an'
> avoid nice clothes in favor of biker gang wear. Their few friends
> were other families with gang connections. Then i've heard about evil
> mood swings, childish confused behavior, keeping kids home from
> school for weeks on vague religious pretenses, being afraid of
> everyone who comes to the door or whenever the phone rings an'
> claiming you don't fit into any church.
See, here is the reason as to why I still object ...even in the face of
all of that. (Yes, I am probably still falling for precisely the same
con that they have always played on me. But, I can't help it, because,
I still believe that it can have merit, at times.)
These are the kind of people who brand themselves as nonconformists.
When you have a genuine nonconformist, then you can expect all sorts of
behavior and explanations that are going to sound suspiciously close to
bullshit excuses and negative stereotypes.
OTOH, the biggest reason that I am finally dismissing their claims to
nonconformism is my, now, 12 year old discovery of the true family
history of my maternal grandparents.
I never knew that they were (both) a couple of backwood simpletons who
thought it would be a swell idea to get hitched, later in their lives,
shovel off to Buffalo, and start a family, in the 1930s, raising
chickens in the backyard. I never knew that they both had the entire
family ashamed. I never knew that my mother's side of the family had
all been raised and grown up as complete out-of-place idiots in a city
neighborhood, suffering from all sorts of culture shock as a result of a
couple of Honey-Boo Boo/Jerry Springer "don't give a shit what anybody
thinks", hillbilly-asshole parents. No one told me.
That sure isn't anything I've ever heard about my father's side. I've
been taking resentful shit my entire life from the dirty-asshole side of
the family - who should've never left Pennsylvania. The ones who are
still coming to grips with civilization. I ain't joking. Even Mr.
More-or-Less Normal, Did the Family Proud has always been a strange bird
...always seeming to feel some deep-seated need to mock everything
around him. No wonder I never really clicked with these jerks.
I used to believe that my Aunt was trying to take some sort of a stand.
But, all she was ever really doing was trying to tear down everything
around that intimidated her (you know, like Paul Elam...? Lmao). She
could very well be an old hippy druggy, but, at the very least, I would
agree that her nonconformism is a crock of shit.
To be a genuine nonconformist is to adhere to a different set of
standards, as opposed to having none, at all. It's all too clear to me,
now, that those people do *not* have - nor ever have - had many
standards, at all. It's always been just a lot of sleazy drama around
money. I'm still holding off on why they never had enough money, but, I
acknowledge that you could be right.
I know this:
Any church or other Christian group that I have ever heard them say they
had anything to do with, it has ended over some seeming nit-picky
personality conflict.
I kept hearing about the Sons of God, for a while, before I remember
hearing that story. So, it sounded like it lasted for a while.
Something about it smells a tad like bullshit, to me, though. It's
almost as if she concocted it as something that was supposed to appeal
to me. I also remember hearing some talk about RUBes, too. I'm pretty
sure that was supposed to appeal to me.
But, you could be right.