John Shirley forward: If I were president
Schwann
John asked me to post this...
best,
schwann
If I were President... (by John Shirley)
I'm no Pacifist, let's get that out of the way. There are only three or
four justifiable wars (and even those are questionable). But I can see
no way to survive without a military in our current infantile global
state.
So having said that...Were I President of the USA, I would advise the
Taliban that I hold them responsible for sheltering Osama bin Laden. I
would call them from the White House, the highest official I could get,
and give them six, that's six hours, to take bin Laden and his
supporters prisoner, on the assumption that they are somewhere in
Afghanistan. I would guarantee that if they didn't do that, or set out
to do it, within the allotted time, I would go to Congress to declare
war on Afghanistan. I believe they would surrender him. If not--it is
also my belief that the Taliban is the single vilest, most barbaric
government on Earth right now, apart from perhaps one or two in Central
Africa, they are the worst since Idi Amin, and their extreme oppression
of women and radical intolerance is a meme, a paradigm, for a form of
*pseudo-Islam* which is very dangerous, is as destructive as Nazism, and
we would do well to invade the country and remove them from power. It
would be a twofer, a two pronged achievement, two birds with one stone--
eliminating bin Laden's center of power, and eliminating the Taliban.
Justified because of their complicity with the attack. I do not
believe that they would be strongly supported by Pakistan or other
nominal allies. I do not believe it would escalate. If we acted swiftly
enough we might well trap bin Laden there. If not--and there's a good
chance he would slip the noose--we would be sending a clear message.
Those who might've given him shelter thereafter would think twice. It
would make it more likely he would be apprehended. Would it stop his
followers? No. WOuld it isolate and undermine them? I believe so.
Meanwhile, our networks not only have 'show titles' for the reporting
on the attacks--'Attack on America' etc, as if it were a tv series, they
now have *theme music*. There's no doubt this thing will be mis used by
Bush and by American anti-Muslim types--a swift, surgical move of the
sort I've described, carried out with overwhelming force, would act as a
lightning rod for such sentiment, and take the pressure off decent
American Muslims.
The Islam of bin Laden and the Taliban is not the Islam of Mohammed.
John Shirley
Beable van Polasm
> the Taliban that I hold them responsible for sheltering Osama bin
> Laden. I would call them from the White House, the highest official
> I could get, and give them six, that's six hours, to take bin Laden
> and his supporters prisoner,
ALL of his supporters? Because I think it's a bit much to ask the
Taliban to go and take prisoner all those people in CIA headquarters,
and presumably in the US Congress too. Do you want the Taliban to
arrest the President of the USA while they're at it?
> on the assumption that they are somewhere in Afghanistan.
I think you mean "somewhere in Washington DC".
> I would guarantee that if they didn't do that, or set out to do it,
> within the allotted time, I would go to Congress to declare war on
> Afghanistan.
And declare war on the USA while you're at it? You know, for
supporting Osama bin Laden and the Taliban.
> I believe they would surrender him. If not--it is also my belief
> that the Taliban is the single vilest, most barbaric government on
> Earth right now,
Would you therefore say that the US government should stop supporting
groups such as the Taliban with arms, money, and training? And hey,
seeing as how "John Shirley" is the "Pretend President", how about
passing some sort of resolution that the USA won't support any more
terrorism. If the USA wants to commit acts of war against somebody,
let Congress declare war, then go for it, out in the open. No more
"executive orders", no more "covert operations". No more supporting
terrorism. Come on Mr Pretend President, what do you say?
How about if the people of the USA condemn their government and
governments past for supporting terrorism. If you don't do it now,
you'll probably never get the chance.
cheers
Beable van Polasm
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Glen Peck
There are too many twistings and tangles in the US - Mid East history. If
rash actions were to be taken, International relations would be set back
decades, not amongst our enemies, but among our allies. The American public
needs to take a look at the history books- we set up Saddam, we set up bin
Laden, we helped the Taliban.... the list goes on and we haven't even left
the top five most hated international "leaders"! It would be a very long
time before America could be trusted in world politics again- and like it or
not this world is now very small. The world to come will demand respect and
trustworthiness.
It is incredibly difficult, but we must think beyond NYC, beyond Osama bin
Laden, and look to cautious and well founded reactions.
gp
Class Zero
That said, I'll explain further:
Neither of you have a clue what you are talking about. This is not about
finance or ideology or what we have and haven't funded in the past... this
is about revenge... it is pure bloodlust. Two weeks before the attacks Bin
Laden threateaned that the US would be attacked in two weeks and it
happened. Before that he took credit for bombing our embassies and dragging
our Marines through the streets of Mogadishu. Even if he didn't do this
particular attack he did perform other terrorist attacks against American
civilians and we should not tolerate Afghanistan having him as their royal
guest.
The taliban had Bin Laden under house arrest untill yesterday and now
they've let him go. Because of the Taliban we've lost him. For that we
have to completley destroy Afghanistan. If you look them up in the world
fact book you'll notice that they don't have any real resources that we can
use as targets other than people and some opium. In order to retalliate we
have to kill their civilians. I'd rather us not resort to that but if
that's all we can hurt them with then so be it. Let the streets run with
blood. We need to go over there and not leave untill we've killed
evreything we found there. Sure, if it would make you happy then we'll do
it in a 'cautious and well founded' manner. :)
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"Glen Peck" <Glen...@brown.edu> wrote in message
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Craig Brozefsky
> The taliban had Bin Laden under house arrest untill yesterday and now
> they've let him go. Because of the Taliban we've lost him. For that we
> have to completley destroy Afghanistan.
Two other imperial forces, British and Russian, have attempted to
invade Afghanistan, and you can still find the bleached bones of their
soldiers in the mountain passes.
--
Craig Brozefsky <cr...@red-bean.com>
http://www.red-bean.com/~craig
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3jimZaizan
Striking out randomly at people you "think" did it is just as
reprehensible as the behaviour we see everyday coming from those who seek
to destroy you good folks down south. hitting civilian targets, while a
typical part of most NATO military strategy (sudan, viet-nam, wwII,
etc..), is a horrible, diabolical form of warfare.
If you think for a second that your nation is any holier than the one who
the attacks supposedly originated from, then consider this:
when oklahoma city was bombed, the first reaction was to condemn the
terroristic actions of Bin-laden's organization. they called for justice
and blood, but it turned out that a lone madman had carried out the act,
trained by the U.s. and left to his own devices. of course, he was
executed.
what if this is a similar scenario? it wouldn't be that hard for ANYONE to
walk into the cockpit of a 767, and, ~regardless of what the FBI says~, it
isn't all that hard to fly an aeroplane in the air (know from
experience..). 10 insane fanatics could have carried this attack out, and
they'd all be dead now.. and they may well have been americans.
call it a conspiracy theory, but the fbi finding all sorts of evidence and
records, etc.. seems a bit too easy, considering the level of planning
that went into this attack. ENGLISH is the lingua franca (pardon the pun)
of the aviation community, so if they were trained pilots, don't you think
they'd be able to read a flight manual in that language?
fer fuck's sake, kids; it's certainly not time to believe everything you
read, see or hear about this. keep your heads up.
On Fri, 14 Sep 2001, Class Zero wrote:
->First of all the emotional response: You people fucking make me sick!!!
->That said, I'll explain further:
->
->Neither of you have a clue what you are talking about. This is not about
->finance or ideology or what we have and haven't funded in the past... this
->is about revenge... it is pure bloodlust. Two weeks before the attacks Bin
->Laden threateaned that the US would be attacked in two weeks and it
->happened. Before that he took credit for bombing our embassies and dragging
->our Marines through the streets of Mogadishu. Even if he didn't do this
->particular attack he did perform other terrorist attacks against American
->civilians and we should not tolerate Afghanistan having him as their royal
->guest.
->
->The taliban had Bin Laden under house arrest untill yesterday and now
->they've let him go. Because of the Taliban we've lost him. For that we
->have to completley destroy Afghanistan. If you look them up in the world
->fact book you'll notice that they don't have any real resources that we can
->use as targets other than people and some opium. In order to retalliate we
->have to kill their civilians. I'd rather us not resort to that but if
->that's all we can hurt them with then so be it. Let the streets run with
->blood. We need to go over there and not leave untill we've killed
->evreything we found there. Sure, if it would make you happy then we'll do
->it in a 'cautious and well founded' manner. :)
->
->---------------------------------------------------------
->"When the going gets weird the weird go pro"
->~~Hunter S. Thompson~~
->
->
->"Glen Peck" <Glen...@brown.edu> wrote in message
->news:3BA16C71...@brown.edu...
->> And all I can think is "Thank God you're not president!"
->>
->> There are too many twistings and tangles in the US - Mid East history. If
->> rash actions were to be taken, International relations would be set back
->> decades, not amongst our enemies, but among our allies. The American
->public
->> needs to take a look at the history books- we set up Saddam, we set up bin
->> Laden, we helped the Taliban.... the list goes on and we haven't even left
->> the top five most hated international "leaders"! It would be a very long
->> time before America could be trusted in world politics again- and like it
->or
->> not this world is now very small. The world to come will demand respect
->and
->> trustworthiness.
->>
->> It is incredibly difficult, but we must think beyond NYC, beyond Osama bin
->> Laden, and look to cautious and well founded reactions.
->>
->> gp
->>
->>
->
->
->
Dimokritos Kavadias
d
Class Zero schreef:
Schwann
From: Schwann <sch...@webtrance.co.za>
Hey all,
John asked me to post this. My own comments are below....
best,
schwann
www.webtrance.co.za
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If i were president i would relook at international policies that have
caused Americans grief. i would not be in a hurry to declare war, or
launch any more long distance attacks on innocent civilian populations,
because i now know that it has been proven by 10 years of using this
policy that it doesn't work. I 'would' launch strikes against proven
terrorists, ie: I would send in a SWAT team to surgically remove
terrorists, but I would NOT fire cruise missiles from a 1000 miles away
into any city...I would have more ground troops who speak arabic asap..i
would legislate to make aircraft cockpits secure...oh, and i would ask
where were my rescue helicopter crews in NY, and why they were not
trying to save any of those in the upper stories...and I would have
showed up on the White House lawn much sooner...
as you all know by now, you cannot fight kamikaze with technology...so i
would spend the star wars budget on a meteor shield which will protects
the entire planet, and not just america...
www.webtrance.co.za
http://pub90.ezboard.com/bwebtrance (schwann messageboard)
Schwann
caused Americans grief. i would not be in a hurry to declare war, or
launch any more long distance attacks on innocent civilian populations,
because i now know that it has been proven by 10 years of using this
policy that it doesn't work. I 'would' launch strikes against proven
terrorists, ie: I would send in a SWAT team to surgically remove
terrorists, but I would NOT fire cruise missiles from a 1000 miles away
into any city...I would have more ground troops who speak arabic asap..i
would legislate to make aircraft cockpits secure...oh, and i would ask
where were my rescue helicopter crews in NY, and why they were not
trying to save any of those in the upper stories...and I would have
showed up on the White House lawn much sooner...
as you all know by now, you cannot fight kamikaze with technology...so i
would spend the star wars budget on a meteor shield which will protects
the entire planet, and not just america...
www.webtrance.co.za
http://pub90.ezboard.com/bwebtrance (schwann messageboard)
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Shiro Akaishi
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> into any city...I would have more ground troops who speak arabic asap..i
Ya know, they don't even speak arabic in afghanistan.
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Schwann
the cited author.]
In article <Xns911CC49E417...@207.126.101.100>,
aka...@skizzzzers.org says...
> on 14 Sep 2001, Schwann did this!
>
> [snip]
> > into any city...I would have more ground troops who speak arabic asap..i
>
> Ya know, they don't even speak arabic in afghanistan.
>
>
that's what i mean:)
s
Schwann
caused Americans grief. i would not be in a hurry to declare war, or
launch any more long distance attacks on innocent civilian populations,
because i now know that it has been proven by 10 years of using this
policy that it doesn't work. I 'would' launch strikes against proven
terrorists, ie: I would send in a SWAT team to surgically remove
terrorists, but I would NOT fire cruise missiles from a 1000 miles away
Beable van Polasm
> If i were president i would relook at international policies that have
Why do you keep posting the same thing? Are you brane-damaged or
something?
cheers
Beable van Polasm
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Class Zero
> invade Afghanistan, and you can still find the bleached bones of their
> soldiers in the mountain passes.
They were British and Russian, not American. And the Russians did win.
Unfortunatley, their objective was occupation, so they were ousted after 5
or 10 years if memory serves. Either way, the American military is more
than up to the task. Terrain doesn't matter when you have good technology
like stealth bombers and ICBMs
Class Zero
Probably.
> Striking out randomly at people you "think" did it is just as
> reprehensible as the behaviour we see everyday coming from those who seek
> to destroy you good folks down south.
Osama bin Laden has been convicted in America of bombing our embassies. He
claims to have trained people to drag our Marines carcases behind jeeps.
Even if he didn't do this particular bombing he most certianly has done
other attacks against us and any country harboring him as a royal guest
should be destroyed. Besides that, two weeks before the bombing he said
that we would be attacked on our own soil 'in two weeks'. He knew that
because he gave the order or was involved in some way. We need him to
continue the investigation. Afghanistan has gotten in the way of our
investigation and must be destroyed for it.
> hitting civilian targets, while a
> typical part of most NATO military strategy (sudan, viet-nam, wwII,
> etc..), is a horrible, diabolical form of warfare.
Like I said before, civilians are annoying to target, because targeting them
makes you a terrorist. Civilians are generally innocent bystanders. They
are what is called, 'collateral damage' in a case like this. Unfortunatley,
collateral damage is going to be the only thing the Taliban will pay
attention to. Their soldiers doesn't care about their own lives, so why
should they? What economic targets do we have? Poppy fields?
> If you think for a second that your nation is any holier than the one who
> the attacks supposedly originated from, then consider this:
> when oklahoma city was bombed, the first reaction was to condemn the
> terroristic actions of Bin-laden's organization. they called for justice
> and blood, but it turned out that a lone madman had carried out the act,
> trained by the U.s. and left to his own devices. of course, he was
> executed.
First of all, we are not holier than anybody. That is why we will lay waste
to many parts of the world because of this. Second of all, McVeigh did not
act alone. He was a part of what we call a 'malitia' in this country.
> what if this is a similar scenario? it wouldn't be that hard for ANYONE to
> walk into the cockpit of a 767, and, ~regardless of what the FBI says~, it
> isn't all that hard to fly an aeroplane in the air (know from
> experience..). 10 insane fanatics could have carried this attack out, and
> they'd all be dead now.. and they may well have been americans.
Yes, I agree that that is entirely possible, but given the evidence I really
doubt that it is how it happened. See above argument.
> call it a conspiracy theory, but the fbi finding all sorts of evidence and
> records, etc.. seems a bit too easy,
I agree. We knew that it was going to happen. We were on alert for two
weeks before it did happen. Somebody in counter intelligence fucked up and
now we have lots of people really pissed off. I don't think it is a
conspiracy as much as it is the blunder of an overpaid, undertrained
intelligence analyst.
> considering the level of planning
> that went into this attack. ENGLISH is the lingua franca (pardon the pun)
> of the aviation community, so if they were trained pilots, don't you think
> they'd be able to read a flight manual in that language?
I took a latin class. I can speak latin conversationally and read a bunch
of mottoes but I can't read 'lives of famous Romans'. They probably find it
easier to study in arabic than in english. However, just because they own
these books is no reason to arrest them. It is, however, a reason to
interrogate them.
> fer fuck's sake, kids; it's certainly not time to believe everything you
> read, see or hear about this. keep your heads up.
>
I'll agree with that.
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Class Zero
"Dimokritos Kavadias" <dkav...@pop.vub.ac.be> wrote in message
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Class Zero
"Schwann" <sch...@webtrance.co.za> wrote in message
news:MPG.160ca805b...@news.mweb.co.za...
> If i were president i would relook at international policies that have
> caused Americans grief. i would not be in a hurry to declare war, or
> launch any more long distance attacks on innocent civilian populations,
> because i now know that it has been proven by 10 years of using this
> policy that it doesn't work.
It has worked. We bombed Africa and the sudan sent him packing. We went
after Iraq and they left Somalia. We went into Bosnia and the genocide
stopped. We pulled out of Somalia and they are still having problems there.
The message from history is that if we are going to attack somebody we need
to go in with heavy force, not to have small surgical attacks.
> I 'would' launch strikes against proven
> terrorists, ie: I would send in a SWAT team to surgically remove
> terrorists, but I would NOT fire cruise missiles from a 1000 miles away
To hit them individually will do nothing. They are just shock troops for
the countries that pay them. Think of terrorist organisations as
mercanaries. We don't really care about the mercs as much as we care about
the country that pays the mercs. Cruise missles are generally not fired on
landlocked countries, although they can be. When they are it creats great
devestation and more pressure on the offending government to give it up.
> into any city...I would have more ground troops who speak arabic asap..i
Why? You wanna talk 'em to death? Just shoot them already!
> would legislate to make aircraft cockpits secure...oh, and i would ask
> where were my rescue helicopter crews in NY, and why they were not
> trying to save any of those in the upper stories...and I would have
> showed up on the White House lawn much sooner...
You think a helicopter can land in that smoke? With the strange air
currents coming from those fires? No way. Sending another helicopter up
there would just cause it to crash into the building again. Showing up on
the Whitehouse Lawn is not a good idea when your life is threatened. The
safest place for the president to be in such a situation is in the air. He
even probably has a stage on air force one so that he can address the people
from the 'white house'. That is why Chyenne mountain is no longer relevant.
The best protection is to be a moving target.
> as you all know by now, you cannot fight kamikaze with technology...so i
> would spend the star wars budget on a meteor shield which will protects
> the entire planet, and not just america...
First of all, you can fight a kamakaze with anything that kills him before
he wants to be killed. Second of all, a meteor shield is one of the dumbest
idea I've heard yet about what to spend our budget on. That is, it's on the
list right after SETI.
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"When the going gets weird the weird go pro"
~~Hunter S. Thompson~~
Monkey Doctor
<pinb4llwiz...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Two other imperial forces, British and Russian, have attempted to
>> invade Afghanistan, and you can still find the bleached bones of their
>> soldiers in the mountain passes.
>
>They were British and Russian, not American. And the Russians did win.
>Unfortunatley, their objective was occupation, so they were ousted after 5
>or 10 years if memory serves. Either way, the American military is more
>than up to the task. Terrain doesn't matter when you have good technology
>like stealth bombers and ICBMs
Err.... you're partly right, but your sentence was a bit confused.
Try this, adding the word "hostile":
"Good technology like stealth bombers and ICBMs doesn't matter when
you have hostile terrain "
You can bomb the crap out of Afghanistan and all you'll achieve is the
most expensive rearrangement of geological formations in history. The
American military is *not* up to that task - because, just like
Vietnam, the whole thing will be close quarters guerrilla fighting and
the American populace won't stomach the cost of life. Technology
doesn't help you fight impassioned guerrilas operating on a very low
tech, near individual basis.
Western military technology is geared towards fighting open battles on
open terrain; not guerrila warfare. America would be severely
embarrased if they tried that stunt.
MD
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Craig Brozefsky <cr...@red-bean.com> wrote:
> "Class Zero" <pinb4llwiz...@hotmail.com> writes:
>
> > The taliban had Bin Laden under house arrest untill yesterday and now
> > they've let him go. Because of the Taliban we've lost him. For that we
> > have to completley destroy Afghanistan.
>
> Two other imperial forces, British and Russian, have attempted to
> invade Afghanistan, and you can still find the bleached bones of their
> soldiers in the mountain passes.
If *I* were president, I'd be carpet bombing Afghaninstan with Twinkies,
Ho-Hos, Ding-Dongs, popcorn, and soda pop. TVs and microwaves would be
airlifted in by the millions, and I'd start pumping Baywatch and Xena to
the populace 24x7. I'd airlift prefrabricated McDonalds and Burger King
restaurants and set them down in every city with a population greater than
5,000. Then would come a wave of megaplex movie theaters. Playing the
finest tripe Hollywood has to offer.
I'd fill their stomachs, numb their minds, and give em all heart disease.
They won't hurt us anymore, they'll sit back content in ignorant bliss.
-jarai.
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In article <GJqC4...@world.std.com>, b...@world.std.com says...
> In article <87d74tl...@piracy.red-bean.com>,
> Craig Brozefsky <cr...@red-bean.com> wrote:
> > "Class Zero" <pinb4llwiz...@hotmail.com> writes:
> >
> > > The taliban had Bin Laden under house arrest untill yesterday and now
> > > they've let him go. Because of the Taliban we've lost him. For that we
> > > have to completley destroy Afghanistan.
> >
> > Two other imperial forces, British and Russian, have attempted to
> > invade Afghanistan, and you can still find the bleached bones of their
> > soldiers in the mountain passes.
>
> If *I* were president, I'd be carpet bombing Afghaninstan with Twinkies,
> Ho-Hos, Ding-Dongs, popcorn, and soda pop. TVs and microwaves would be
> airlifted in by the millions, and I'd start pumping Baywatch and Xena to
> the populace 24x7. I'd airlift prefrabricated McDonalds and Burger King
> restaurants and set them down in every city with a population greater than
> 5,000. Then would come a wave of megaplex movie theaters. Playing the
> finest tripe Hollywood has to offer.
>
> I'd fill their stomachs, numb their minds, and give em all heart disease.
> They won't hurt us anymore, they'll sit back content in ignorant bliss.
>
> -jarai.
>
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grizelda
"Brian 'Jarai' Chase" <b...@world.std.com> wrote in message
news:GJqC4...@world.std.com...
> In article <87d74tl...@piracy.red-bean.com>,
> Craig Brozefsky <cr...@red-bean.com> wrote:
> > "Class Zero" <pinb4llwiz...@hotmail.com> writes:
> >
> > > The taliban had Bin Laden under house arrest untill yesterday and now
> > > they've let him go. Because of the Taliban we've lost him. For that
we
> > > have to completley destroy Afghanistan.
> >
> > Two other imperial forces, British and Russian, have attempted to
> > invade Afghanistan, and you can still find the bleached bones of their
> > soldiers in the mountain passes.
>
> If *I* were president, I'd be carpet bombing Afghaninstan with Twinkies,
> Ho-Hos, Ding-Dongs, popcorn, and soda pop. TVs and microwaves would be
> airlifted in by the millions, and I'd start pumping Baywatch and Xena to
> the populace 24x7. I'd airlift prefrabricated McDonalds and Burger King
> restaurants and set them down in every city with a population greater than
> 5,000. Then would come a wave of megaplex movie theaters. Playing the
> finest tripe Hollywood has to offer.
>
> I'd fill their stomachs, numb their minds, and give em all heart disease.
> They won't hurt us anymore, they'll sit back content in ignorant bliss.
>
> -jarai.
You know, I think that will work. Don't forget the spirit crushing game
shows and the mind-numbing pop music complete with posters of Britney Spears
and the Back Street Boys.
grizzelda
--If I had a sig line, it would be here.
Brian 'Jarai' Chase
grizelda <griz...@sofnet.com> wrote:
> "Brian 'Jarai' Chase" <b...@world.std.com> wrote in message
> news:GJqC4...@world.std.com...
> > If *I* were president, I'd be carpet bombing Afghaninstan with Twinkies,
> > Ho-Hos, Ding-Dongs, popcorn, and soda pop. TVs and microwaves would be
> > airlifted in by the millions, and I'd start pumping Baywatch and Xena to
> > the populace 24x7. I'd airlift prefrabricated McDonalds and Burger King
> > restaurants and set them down in every city with a population greater than
> > 5,000. Then would come a wave of megaplex movie theaters. Playing the
> > finest tripe Hollywood has to offer.
> >
> > I'd fill their stomachs, numb their minds, and give em all heart disease.
> > They won't hurt us anymore, they'll sit back content in ignorant bliss.
> You know, I think that will work. Don't forget the spirit crushing game
> shows and the mind-numbing pop music complete with posters of Britney Spears
> and the Back Street Boys.
And crates upon crates of porn magazines --all to be dropped like
propaganda fliers over the cities and countryside of Afghanistan. I would
be the first President to wage an unconventional war.
No radical Islamic extremist will be able to overcome the power of the
NEKKID LADY, I don't care how religious they are.
-jarai.
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YOU PEOPLE OUGHTA HAVE MORE RESPECT FOR YOUR INSANE ELDERS!!! -- K.
Otto Bahn
>
> In article <tqbn7cq...@corp.supernews.com>,
> grizelda <griz...@sofnet.com> wrote:
> > "Brian 'Jarai' Chase" <b...@world.std.com> wrote in message
> > news:GJqC4...@world.std.com...
>
> > > If *I* were president, I'd be carpet bombing Afghaninstan with Twinkies,
> > > Ho-Hos, Ding-Dongs, popcorn, and soda pop. TVs and microwaves would be
> > > airlifted in by the millions, and I'd start pumping Baywatch and Xena to
> > > the populace 24x7. I'd airlift prefrabricated McDonalds and Burger King
> > > restaurants and set them down in every city with a population greater than
> > > 5,000. Then would come a wave of megaplex movie theaters. Playing the
> > > finest tripe Hollywood has to offer.
> > >
> > > I'd fill their stomachs, numb their minds, and give em all heart disease.
> > > They won't hurt us anymore, they'll sit back content in ignorant bliss.
>
> > You know, I think that will work. Don't forget the spirit crushing game
> > shows and the mind-numbing pop music complete with posters of Britney Spears
> > and the Back Street Boys.
>
> And crates upon crates of porn magazines --all to be dropped like
> propaganda fliers over the cities and countryside of Afghanistan. I would
> be the first President to wage an unconventional war.
>
> No radical Islamic extremist will be able to overcome the power of the
> NEKKID LADY, I don't care how religious they are.
A-rabs? Gay porn might work better. What the
hell, send both, discrimination sucks. And toss
in some condoms. Maybe some goats...
--oTTo--
3jimZaizan
terrain does matter. youguys can't low fly, because youstopped training.
mountains can kill you, and so can the desert.
very, very easily.
remember viet-nam?
probably not. For all the "millitary technology" you yokels had, youstill
got your asses greased. why? because you thought you were better than
those other, poor, half-crazed soldiers in the firebase across the woods.
the truth is that afghanistan is filled with HUMAN BEINGS. Just like the
U.S. you send a cruise missile in, and they die, along with the people
that you sought to kill. oops!
surgical strikes my ass.
remember the pharmecutical plant in sudan that was blown up in the quest
for Bin Laden? howabout the ongoing and routine bombing of iraqui CIVILIAN
targets.... or, was talk of Dresden enough?
don't be stupid. You can't fight what isn't there. NvGoggles will
illuminate the dark, but you need a target. The one you have picked is too
big, and will kill too many innocent civilians.
On Sat, 15 Sep 2001, Class Zero wrote:
->> Two other imperial forces, British and Russian, have attempted to
->> invade Afghanistan, and you can still find the bleached bones of their
->> soldiers in the mountain passes.
->
->They were British and Russian, not American. And the Russians did win.
->Unfortunatley, their objective was occupation, so they were ousted after 5
->or 10 years if memory serves. Either way, the American military is more
->than up to the task. Terrain doesn't matter when you have good technology
->like stealth bombers and ICBMs
->
3jimZaizan
On Sat, 15 Sep 2001, Class Zero wrote:
->> Striking out randomly at people you "think" did it is just as
->> reprehensible as the behaviour we see everyday coming from those who seek
->> to destroy you good folks down south.
->
->Osama bin Laden has been convicted in America of bombing our embassies. He
->claims to have trained people to drag our Marines carcases behind jeeps.
->Even if he didn't do this particular bombing he most certianly has done
->other attacks against us and any country harboring him as a royal guest
->should be destroyed. Besides that, two weeks before the bombing he said
->that we would be attacked on our own soil 'in two weeks'. He knew that
->because he gave the order or was involved in some way. We need him to
->continue the investigation. Afghanistan has gotten in the way of our
->investigation and must be destroyed for it.
Sort of like saying " he got in my car's way. now I have to hit him."
the people in Afghanistan are as anti taliban as you. Bin Laden was
trained by your government. In fact, the tactic used on those marines was
quite possibly come up with by the CIA. Bin Laden was funded by them to
put the Taliban GOvernment in power. talk to the CIA.
->
->> hitting civilian targets, while a
->> typical part of most NATO military strategy (sudan, viet-nam, wwII,
->> etc..), is a horrible, diabolical form of warfare.
->
->Like I said before, civilians are annoying to target, because targeting them
->makes you a terrorist. Civilians are generally innocent bystanders. They
->are what is called, 'collateral damage' in a case like this. Unfortunatley,
->collateral damage is going to be the only thing the Taliban will pay
->attention to. Their soldiers doesn't care about their own lives, so why
->should they? What economic targets do we have? Poppy fields?
->
I'm not saying don't strike here, instead use cunning and strategic
acumen, not a cruise missle that indiscriminately kills. What about your
vaunted Navy SEALS? where are they now? how about those airborne rangers?
it isn't all that hard to drop an extraction team somwhere, is it?
the soldiers in most armies do care about their own lives. the ones who
don't are brainwashed. While I am aware of islamic soldiers who fight for
the "will of Allah", most, you will find, are just as human as you and I.
->> If you think for a second that your nation is any holier than the one who
->> the attacks supposedly originated from, then consider this:
->> when oklahoma city was bombed, the first reaction was to condemn the
->> terroristic actions of Bin-laden's organization. they called for justice
->> and blood, but it turned out that a lone madman had carried out the act,
->> trained by the U.s. and left to his own devices. of course, he was
->> executed.
->
->First of all, we are not holier than anybody. That is why we will lay waste
->to many parts of the world because of this. Second of all, McVeigh did not
->act alone. He was a part of what we call a 'malitia' in this country.
->
Millitia. Your country's army was once considered one of these. Laying
waste is not a sign of humility. And doing it to many parts of the world
(specifically the ones that supply you with Oil, cheap labour, and a
number of other things) is a very bad policy for a number of reasons. if
you set fire to your pantry, then you have no pantry, and nothing to eat.
->> what if this is a similar scenario? it wouldn't be that hard for ANYONE to
->> walk into the cockpit of a 767, and, ~regardless of what the FBI says~, it
->> isn't all that hard to fly an aeroplane in the air (know from
->> experience..). 10 insane fanatics could have carried this attack out, and
->> they'd all be dead now.. and they may well have been americans.
->
->Yes, I agree that that is entirely possible, but given the evidence I really
->doubt that it is how it happened. See above argument.
Unfortunately, the "evidence" you, as a citizen of the United States of my
continent, are being provided with is scant at best. It is also
(obviously) being managed (see above and below) (see the media thread..).
If it is Bin Laden, then this is entirely convinient. if it isn't, then
the perpetrators of this act have succeeded doubly.
->
->> call it a conspiracy theory, but the fbi finding all sorts of evidence and
->> records, etc.. seems a bit too easy,
->
->I agree. We knew that it was going to happen. We were on alert for two
->weeks before it did happen. Somebody in counter intelligence fucked up and
->now we have lots of people really pissed off. I don't think it is a
->conspiracy as much as it is the blunder of an overpaid, undertrained
->intelligence analyst.
->
->> considering the level of planning
->> that went into this attack. ENGLISH is the lingua franca (pardon the pun)
->> of the aviation community, so if they were trained pilots, don't you think
->> they'd be able to read a flight manual in that language?
->
->I took a latin class. I can speak latin conversationally and read a bunch
->of mottoes but I can't read 'lives of famous Romans'. They probably find it
->easier to study in arabic than in english. However, just because they own
->these books is no reason to arrest them. It is, however, a reason to
->interrogate them.
->
this is very different. flying is not like high level reading. Pilots are
REQUIRED to have at least conversational english, and most of the people I
know from the middle east speak it fluently and can read in it, french,
arabic or persian, and usualy a 4th. Personally, I can't speak french
conversationally, but I study in it on a daily basis. your point is moot.
->> fer fuck's sake, kids; it's certainly not time to believe everything you
->> read, see or hear about this. keep your heads up.
->>
->
->I'll agree with that.
->
good. we at least agree on something.
Iceberg
>In article <tqbn7cq...@corp.supernews.com>,
>grizelda <griz...@sofnet.com> wrote:
>> "Brian 'Jarai' Chase" <b...@world.std.com> wrote in message
>> news:GJqC4...@world.std.com...
>
>> > If *I* were president, I'd be carpet bombing Afghaninstan with Twinkies,
>> > Ho-Hos, Ding-Dongs, popcorn, and soda pop. TVs and microwaves would be
>> > airlifted in by the millions, and I'd start pumping Baywatch and Xena to
>> > the populace 24x7. I'd airlift prefrabricated McDonalds and Burger King
>> > restaurants and set them down in every city with a population greater than
>> > 5,000. Then would come a wave of megaplex movie theaters. Playing the
>> > finest tripe Hollywood has to offer.
>> >
>> > I'd fill their stomachs, numb their minds, and give em all heart disease.
>> > They won't hurt us anymore, they'll sit back content in ignorant bliss.
>
>> You know, I think that will work. Don't forget the spirit crushing game
>> shows and the mind-numbing pop music complete with posters of Britney Spears
>> and the Back Street Boys.
>
>And crates upon crates of porn magazines --all to be dropped like
>propaganda fliers over the cities and countryside of Afghanistan. I would
>be the first President to wage an unconventional war.
>
>No radical Islamic extremist will be able to overcome the power of the
>NEKKID LADY, I don't care how religious they are.
My fiancee points out that in Taliban-controlled Afghanistan, "porn"
means "photos of women showing their ankles." ;)
-- Ice
"Oom-pa-pah oom-pa-pah that's how it goes
Oom-pa-pah oom-pa-pah everyone knows
Whether it's hidden or whether it shows,
It's the same Oom-pa-pah!" - Oliver!
Shiro Akaishi
>>And crates upon crates of porn magazines --all to be dropped like
>>propaganda fliers over the cities and countryside of Afghanistan. I
>>would be the first President to wage an unconventional war.
>>
>>No radical Islamic extremist will be able to overcome the power of the
>>NEKKID LADY, I don't care how religious they are.
>
>My fiancee points out that in Taliban-controlled Afghanistan, "porn"
>means "photos of women showing their ankles." ;)
Yes yes! This is the answer! The taliban police-type-military guys will be
bust running around trying to catch all of it to keep it away from "the
people" and meanwhile we can send in the Mission Impossible Force to bring
out bin laden alive!
Carlos May
: on 17 Sep 2001, Iceberg did this!
:>My fiancee points out that in Taliban-controlled Afghanistan, "porn"
:>means "photos of women showing their ankles." ;)
In that case, I'll bid for the Gova'mint contract to suppy it:
http://www.angelfire.com/la/carlosmay/BiGrls.html
-- F.
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Dramar Ankalle
3jimZaizan <c_ki...@alcor.concordia.ca> wrote in message
news:Pine.OSF.4.31.010917...@alcor.concordia.ca...
Bravo 20 behind enemy lines in Iraq, I think Andy McNab wrote it?
Its been while since I read it.Brits!
bleach
> would spend the star wars budget on a meteor shield which will protects
> the entire planet, and not just america...
I actually like that idea. meteor shield that is. very cool.
as for the rest of this mess, dont you people have anything better to
do?
as opposed to sitting here arguing pointlessly over things you are
never going to agree on?? *sigh* perhaps i'm just being cynical today.
well. more cynical than usual at least.
bleach.
cyberpunk is about not caring what cyberpunk's about.