THE question fianlly answered
Johnny Fusion =11811=
Cyberpunks I Have Been:
The Definitive guide to all persons cyberpunk.
VERSION 1.01
by
Johnny Fusion
=11811=
Since, and probably before, the founding of alt.cyberpunk one
question has persisted, and this same question is answered, but alas,
never the same way twice. This question is, of course, "What is a
cyberpunk?"
Everyone seems to have their own definition for this query.
Many will quote literary sources, others will testify from life
experience. This document will hopefully answer the question once and for
all. That is, at least give *ONE* answer that will satisfy anyone
reading this.
Below you will find a definitive list of all the myriad
definitions and mutations of this identity, this meme, known as the
Cyberpunk.
----------
THE "REAL" CYBERPUNK:
This type of Cyberpunk will often be seen saying, "I am not a
Cyberpunk." The belief being, that if one confesses to being a
Cyberpunk then he/she is obviously a POSEUR. A REAL CYBERPUNK has no
need for labels, in fact he/she abhors them and will avoid one being
stuck on him/her at all costs. He/She will let their attitude speak for
their station before any label will suffice. The REAL CYBERPUNK has read
everything written by William Gibson, and can recite the opening line from
_Neuromancer_ from memory at any time in any circumstance.
CYBERGOTH:
The CYBERGOTH is someone who wishes they lived in the 19th century,
their face was pale as a corpse, and fantasizes about romantic
vampires. Other anemities of 19th century life they enjoy include
industrial music, going to clubs and raves, and using the internet.
LITERARY CYBERPUNK:
This type of Cyberpunk has read everything written by William Gibson,
and Neal Stephenson, most of the works of Bruce Stirling, and at least
one book by Rudy Rucker. They are conversant in Shakespeare,
Heinlein, Burroughs, Orwell, and Alan Dean Foster. They see every film
adaption of science fiction novels or stories and hate them. The
LITERARY CYBERPUNK can recite the opening paragraph from _Neuromancer_ from
memory at any time in any circumstance.
NIHILISTIC TECHNOFETISHIST:
These people love toys. If its electronic, and matte black, all the
better. Favorite playthings include laser pointers, lineman's
handsets, electronic organizers, mini-mag-lites, phone dialers, toll
fraud devices, pagers, scrambler cell phones, notebook computers, stun
gun or taser or cattle prod, Full Duplex Communication Devices utilizing
Dual Tone Multifrequency for Network Establishment, and digital watches.
They also reject all religious and moral principles as the only means of
obtaining social progress (they wouldn't be nihilistic if they didn't,
would they?).
POSEUR CYBERPUNK:
This type of Cyberpunk will often be seen saying, "Hey! I'm a
Cyberpunk!" Image is the driving force in the POSEUR's life. They are
recognizable from a distance by their brand new black leather jacket and
menacing boots with no scuffs in them whatsoever. They have difficulty
using any computer that does not have a mouse. For more information
refer to Billy Idol's cd _cyberpunk_. POSEUR CYBERPUNKs can recite from
memory the opening line from _Neuromancer_ most of the time, but keeps
the cliff notes handy just in case. SEE ALSO: FASHION CYBERPUNK
HACKER CYBERPUNKS:
The HACKER CYBERPUNK is basically a computer hacker with bitchin' fashion
sense. Whereas the non-Cyberpunk hacker tends to be overweight, cares
less about fashion, and has prescription "photogrey" glasses, the HACKER
CYBERPUNK tends to be on the thin side, dresses in black, has a well
broken in Black Leather Motorcycle Jacket and wears mirrored sunglasses.
The HACKER CYBERPUNK believes in the hacker ethic: "Information Should
be Free." He/She often corrects other Cyberpunks who espouse
"Information Wants/Longs to be Free" that Information is just that, and
possesses no desires or any other anthropological attributes. The HACKER
CYBERPUNK's favorite pastime is "turbo-charging" equipment that is
considered obsolete and having it out perform its modern replacement. In
fact, the HACKER CYBERPUNK believes that anyone accessing the internet
with technology newer than a teletype machine and an acoustic coupler is
a pansy. *CLACK*
The HACKER CYBERPUNK has the amazing ability to fix any electronic device
with the eraser at the end of a No. 2 pencil, and a paperclip.
CRYPTO CYBERPUNKS
aka CYPHERPUNKS
CRYPTO CYBERPUNKS encrypt *everything*. Even their copy of their
grandmother's recipe for banana nut bread is encrypted. They never
send email without going through at least 3 anonymous remailers. The
American government fears CYPHERPUNKS because it considers strong
encryption algorithms as munitions. CYPHERPUNKS enjoy silk screening
munitions on t-shirts and tattooing them on their bodies. The ultimate
bragging right for any CYPHERPUNK is to say that they wrote RSA in less
lines of perl than anyone else.
ROLE PLAYING CYBERPUNKS
In short, this brand of Cyberpunk has a problem with reality. They know
everything there is to know about technology that does not even exist
yet, and in many cases never will. The ROLE PLAYING CYBERPUNK spends
most of his/her time either in a MUD or sitting around with others of
the same type saying stuff like, "Ok, roll a 1D20 and get a 14 or
greater to penetrate the black ICE." Sad thing is, they prefer it this
way.
XTIAN CYBERPUNK
Now here is a weird one. This strain pops up every once and a while, but
rarely sticks around for long. Often, they come blaring onto the
newsgroup claiming things such as "Jesus is the original Cyberpunk," and
"The apostles lived the cyberpunk lifestyle." They usually get laughed
at and disappear.
FASHION CYBERPUNK:
These Cyberpunks dress exactly the way people imagine Cyberpunks dress.
They are never seen without a Black Leather Jacket. Mirrorshades are
never far. They are always looking for mirrored contact lenses. The
film "Hackers" is a guide to dress for many FASHION CYBERPUNKS. The
FASHION CYBERPUNK has a black t-shirt with the opening line to
_Neuromancer_ printed on it.
ANARCHIST CYBERPUNK:
This breed of Cyberpunk wants to abolish all law, and believes that
technology and computers are the tools that will do it. The ANARCHIST
CYBERPUNK loves to build things that blow up. The ANARCHIST CYBERPUNK
knows the opening line to _Neuromancer_ and has written no less than 4
political manifestos based upon it.
RAVE SCENE CYBERPUNK:
The RAVE SCENE CYBERPUNK goes to underground parties in abandoned
buildings every chance he/she gets. There, they listen to techno music
played several decibels louder then ever intended, dance amidst
epilepsy inducing strobe lights, and take mind altering chemicals.
ORIGINAL CYBERPUNKS:
Ok, lets face it, the term "Cyberpunk" was coined to give the ignorant
masses a handle on this new style of hard science fiction that emerged
in the mid 1980s. The ORIGINAL CYBERPUNKs wrote this stuff. It was a
label to sell a particular brand or style of literature. Period. One
ORIGINAL CYBERPUNK *wrote* the opening line to _Neuromancer_.
----------
REVISION HISTORY:
1.0: Written on a borrowed notebook then promptly became the victim of a
hard disk crash and lost. Forgotten and ignored for over 2 years. 8/95
1.01: Rewritten somewhat from memory. 12/97
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John Buford
Johnny Fusion =11811= (jfu...@xs1.xs4all.nl) wrote:
: CYBERGOTH:
: The CYBERGOTH is someone who wishes they lived in the 19th century,
: their face was pale as a corpse, and fantasizes about romantic
: vampires. Other anemities of 19th century life they enjoy include
: industrial music, going to clubs and raves, and using the internet.
Sorry to bash some puny little egos, but the only god fucking damned
goths lived in London, England in the WW2 era. And they werent poseurs
like fucking 99.8763% of the "I'm so sad" goth-WANNABE's. They were
fucking *REAL* goths, who were *REALLY* tortured souls, who lived
in *REALLY* bad parts of the city, and *VERY* *FEW* of them lived
beyond the age of 40 or so, they all died of
starvation/murder/thirst/beatings/rapes/V2 rockets/malicious
stalkers/barfights/british polizei...
: NIHILISTIC TECHNOFETISHIST:
: These people love toys. If its electronic, and matte black, all the
: better. Favorite playthings include laser pointers, lineman's
: handsets, electronic organizers, mini-mag-lites, phone dialers, toll
: fraud devices, pagers, scrambler cell phones, notebook computers, stun
: gun or taser or cattle prod, Full Duplex Communication Devices utilizing
: Dual Tone Multifrequency for Network Establishment, and digital watches.
: They also reject all religious and moral principles as the only means of
: obtaining social progress (they wouldn't be nihilistic if they didn't,
: would they?).
Fuck you and your fucking matte black shit. See through is the only way
to go. If you dont realize that, you're just a fucking shithead.
Heh, j/k.
: The HACKER CYBERPUNK has the amazing ability to fix any electronic device
: with the eraser at the end of a No. 2 pencil, and a paperclip.
So basically, you're saying that MacGuyver (all hail the only pseudo-god)
is the only REAL Hacker Cyberpunk?
Oh yea, you're forgetting the Cinnamon Gum. Gotta have that to fix shit. :)
: XTIAN CYBERPUNK
: Now here is a weird one. This strain pops up every once and a while, but
: rarely sticks around for long. Often, they come blaring onto the
: newsgroup claiming things such as "Jesus is the original Cyberpunk," and
: "The apostles lived the cyberpunk lifestyle." They usually get laughed
: at and disappear.
Heh. That's cool. Jesus was good for only one thing: stoning.
(And we'll have none of THAT until I blow this whistle!)
: RAVE SCENE CYBERPUNK:
: The RAVE SCENE CYBERPUNK goes to underground parties in abandoned
: buildings every chance he/she gets. There, they listen to techno music
: played several decibels louder then ever intended, dance amidst
: epilepsy inducing strobe lights, and take mind altering chemicals.
What about factories, man?! You're forgetting the best!
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: *** || || \\\/// || || *** =11811=
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Harlequin <harlquin#mail,cjnetworks,com -- email for PGP key>
(the address is (hopefully) not *too* encrypted for you)
"Yond Cassius has a lean and hungry look.. He thinks too much..
... such men are dangerous ..."
Jeremiah Blatz
Alright, I don't usually waste my time dissing people, but I'll make
an exception for you.
I see four posts in a row from you. In the first one, you quote an
entire article, then append a few lins of crap. In the next one, you
quote another entire message, then suggest that one might get high off
ginger ale and cough medicine. (Of course, you don't have enough
fucking clue to realize that a) The ginger ale doesn't do shit and b)
the dxm comes with other sutff that you don't want to take in large
doses, and should thus be removed (this isolation is simple). In the
next, you take a damn funny tounge-in-cheek posting, take it
seriously, then proceed to make a fool of yourself trying to flame it
(hint, the only REAL goths sacked Rome). Finally, you flamed some
weenie who deserved it, but you also showed a gross musunderstanding
of post-capitalist economies and virus propogation.
Silly wanker, alt.cyberpunk is for people with a clue
HTH, HAND,
Jer
"standing on top of the world/ never knew how you never could/ never knew
why you never could live/ innocent life that everyone did" -Wormhole
Johnny Fusion =11811=
John Buford (harl...@cjnetworks.com) wrote:
: Johnny Fusion =11811= (jfu...@xs1.xs4all.nl) wrote:
: : CYBERGOTH:
: Sorry to bash some puny little egos, but the only god fucking damned
: goths lived in London, England in the WW2 era. And they werent poseurs
Hmm methinks you took my lil' joke too seriously. Any way if you want to
talk about *real* Goths. Well they sacked Rome, and that was a wee bit
before WWII I'm afraid.
: : NIHILISTIC TECHNOFETISHIST:
: Fuck you and your fucking matte black shit. See through is the only way
: to go. If you dont realize that, you're just a fucking shithead.
: Heh, j/k.
Fuck you and your see-through gameboy. If I want to know what somthing
looks like underneath the casing, I'll take it apart. Like any
self-respecting Cyberpunk. ;)
I'm sorry Harlequin, But I have to revoke 2 Cyberpunk Points for not
getting an obvious joke.
John Buford
Jeremiah Blatz (je...@andrew.cmu.edu) wrote:
: quote another entire message, then suggest that one might get high off
: ginger ale and cough medicine. (Of course, you don't have enough
: fucking clue to realize that a) The ginger ale doesn't do shit and b)
: the dxm comes with other sutff that you don't want to take in large
: doses, and should thus be removed (this isolation is simple). In the
So I take it you've done this and know it doesnt do anything? Please
re-attempt this if you can honestly say you have.
: Silly wanker, alt.cyberpunk is for people with a clue
Apparently you've got one, right? If it comes to petty name calling, this
one's pretty lame.
Please, kind sir, fall into a singularity.
John Buford
: : Johnny Fusion =11811= (jfu...@xs1.xs4all.nl) wrote:
: : : CYBERGOTH:
: : Sorry to bash some puny little egos, but the only god fucking damned
: : goths lived in London, England in the WW2 era. And they werent poseurs
: Hmm methinks you took my lil' joke too seriously. Any way if you want to
: talk about *real* Goths. Well they sacked Rome, and that was a wee bit
: before WWII I'm afraid.
: : : NIHILISTIC TECHNOFETISHIST:
: : Fuck you and your fucking matte black shit. See through is the only way
: : to go. If you dont realize that, you're just a fucking shithead.
: : Heh, j/k.
: Fuck you and your see-through gameboy. If I want to know what somthing
: looks like underneath the casing, I'll take it apart. Like any
: self-respecting Cyberpunk. ;)
: I'm sorry Harlequin, But I have to revoke 2 Cyberpunk Points for not
: getting an obvious joke.
What is this? Could you not hear the obvious *drip drip* of sarcasm?
Read it again. How's about you dock me *4* CP Points, just for the hell
of it? What if I say please?
Johnny Fusion =11811=
: : : Johnny Fusion =11811= (jfu...@xs1.xs4all.nl) wrote:
*sniperino*
: : : : NIHILISTIC TECHNOFETISHIST:
: : : Fuck you and your fucking matte black shit. See through is the only way
: : : to go. If you dont realize that, you're just a fucking shithead.
: : : Heh, j/k.
: : Fuck you and your see-through gameboy. If I want to know what somthing
: : looks like underneath the casing, I'll take it apart. Like any
: : self-respecting Cyberpunk. ;)
: : I'm sorry Harlequin, But I have to revoke 2 Cyberpunk Points for not
: : getting an obvious joke.
: What is this? Could you not hear the obvious *drip drip* of sarcasm?
: Read it again. How's about you dock me *4* CP Points, just for the hell
: of it? What if I say please?
Obviously thine dripping is louder than mine, for yours seems to deafen
you to all else.
Ah trying to lose CP points(TM)? How ver "Real" Cyberpunk of you!
I herby award you 23 Cyberpunk Points for living up so well to the
cyberpunk esthetic.
drip, drip, drip, drip...............
Jeremiah Blatz
harl...@cjnetworks.com (John Buford) writes:
> Jeremiah Blatz (je...@andrew.cmu.edu) wrote:
> : quote another entire message, then suggest that one might get high off
> : ginger ale and cough medicine. (Of course, you don't have enough
> : fucking clue to realize that a) The ginger ale doesn't do shit and b)
> : the dxm comes with other sutff that you don't want to take in large
> : doses, and should thus be removed (this isolation is simple). In the
>
> So I take it you've done this and know it doesnt do anything? Please
> re-attempt this if you can honestly say you have.
No, I haven't done this. Yes, I have some knowledge of how these drugs
work. Ginger ale is not exacly a substance riddled with psychoactively
interesting substances.
(Of course, many people find that it calms their stomaches, which
would help if you were trying to trip on straight cough syrup.)
> : Silly wanker, alt.cyberpunk is for people with a clue
>
> Apparently you've got one, right? If it comes to petty name calling, this
> one's pretty lame.
Maybe half of one. I know, at least, how to snip long messages. I know
what in cough syrup makes you trip, and more generally have a token of
knowledge on the care and preparation of over the counter
psychoactives. I can also recognize blatant silliness.
If by "name calling" you meant talking trash, then I made no attempt
to do this to you. If you mean capturing a large aspect of one's
persona in a short phrase, I think I did a passing good job.
> Please, kind sir, fall into a singularity.
`Twould be difficult, I don't have one handy. Sorry to dissapoint.
lunaslide
On 17 Dec 1997 02:30:30 GMT, harl...@cjnetworks.com (John Buford)
wrote:
>Jeremiah Blatz (je...@andrew.cmu.edu) wrote:
>: Silly wanker, alt.cyberpunk is for people with a clue
>
>Apparently you've got one, right? If it comes to petty name calling, this
>one's pretty lame.
>
>Please, kind sir, fall into a singularity.
Ahh, it's nice to see things just don't change here :-)
Rex Iscariot
Look, as a detached observer you both sound like you're intelligent folks.
Bash idiots, not each other.
--
Rex Iscariot - Publisher, Frost Warnings
<acid...@cryogen.com>
http://www.cryogen.com/acidrain
Volitional Memetic Propagation.
Neuroadrenalin augmentation in palatable form:
Electric Nachos & Digital Cheese
Jeremiah Blatz
"Rex Iscariot" <acid...@cryogen.com> writes:
> Look, as a detached observer you both sound like you're intelligent folks.
> Bash idiots, not each other.
Bashing idiots is no fun. Idiots get killfiled and ignored.
Sourcerer
In article <67590v$pa8$1...@news2.xs4all.nl>,
Johnny Fusion =11811= <jfu...@xs1.xs4all.nl> wrote:
>John Buford (harl...@cjnetworks.com) wrote:
>: Johnny Fusion =11811= (jfu...@xs1.xs4all.nl) wrote:
>
>
>: Sorry to bash some puny little egos, but the only god fucking damned
>: goths lived in London, England in the WW2 era. And they werent poseurs
>
>Hmm methinks you took my lil' joke too seriously. Any way if you want to
>talk about *real* Goths. Well they sacked Rome, and that was a wee bit
All goths are poseurs. It's a requirement (isn't it in the faq?).
>: Fuck you and your fucking matte black shit. See through is the only way
>: to go. If you dont realize that, you're just a fucking shithead.
>: Heh, j/k.
The only see through appropriate to goth is skin.
>Fuck you and your see-through gameboy. If I want to know what somthing
>looks like underneath the casing, I'll take it apart. Like any
>self-respecting Cyberpunk. ;)
>
>I'm sorry Harlequin, But I have to revoke 2 Cyberpunk Points for not
>getting an obvious joke.
I might be up for relating how goth points were imported into alt.cp,
converted into cyberpunk points, and who's responsible (blush)) for
this sin against high cyberpunk seriousness...
--
(__) Sourcerer
/(<>)\ O|O|O|O||O||O "There was a crack in his head and a little
\../ |OO|||O|||O|| bit of the Dark World came through and
|| OO|||OO||O||O pressed him to death." -- Kipling
Sweet Poly
On Wed, 17 Dec 1997, Jeremiah Blatz wrote:
> harl...@cjnetworks.com (John Buford) writes:
> > Jeremiah Blatz (je...@andrew.cmu.edu) wrote:
> > : quote another entire message, then suggest that one might get high off
> > : ginger ale and cough medicine. (Of course, you don't have enough
> > : fucking clue to realize that a) The ginger ale doesn't do shit and b)
> > : the dxm comes with other sutff that you don't want to take in large
> > : doses, and should thus be removed (this isolation is simple). In the
> >
> > So I take it you've done this and know it doesnt do anything? Please
> > re-attempt this if you can honestly say you have.
>
> No, I haven't done this. Yes, I have some knowledge of how these drugs
> work. Ginger ale is not exacly a substance riddled with psychoactively
> interesting substances.
>
> (Of course, many people find that it calms their stomaches, which
> would help if you were trying to trip on straight cough syrup.)
It's hard enough tripping on good clean acid. Nothing like those "acid
farts".
> > : Silly wanker, alt.cyberpunk is for people with a clue
> >
> > Apparently you've got one, right? If it comes to petty name calling, this
> > one's pretty lame.
I dunno. He's stretching it, but it got a little giggle from me.
> Maybe half of one. I know, at least, how to snip long messages. I know
> what in cough syrup makes you trip, and more generally have a token of
> knowledge on the care and preparation of over the counter
> psychoactives. I can also recognize blatant silliness.
The last will take you farther than the rest together. Especially here.
@:)
T---A
C---G Sweet Poly
A-T
C "Then he shook hands with Mr. Edwards, and he swung up on
T-A his fine bay horse. Santa Claus rode well, for a man of
C---G his build. And he tucked his long, white whiskers under
A---T his bandana. 'So long, Edwards,' he said, and he rode
C-G away on the Fort Dodge trail, leading his pack-mule and
T whisling." -- Laura Ingalls Wilder
Craig Brozefsky
Sweet Poly <sw...@inanna.eanna.net> writes:
> On Wed, 17 Dec 1997, Jeremiah Blatz wrote:
> >
> > (Of course, many people find that it calms their stomaches, which
> > would help if you were trying to trip on straight cough syrup.)
>
> It's hard enough tripping on good clean acid. Nothing like those "acid
> farts".
The signal that we would start to come down always came from my freind
Greg, who would with a great big smile, rip a loud one, and pronounce
that it was indeed 'the coming-down fart'.
--
Craig Brozefsky cr...@onshore.com
onShore Inc. http://www.onshore.com/~craig
Virtuality, hold the hermenuetics please.
Sourcerer
In article <l5yb1a4...@onshore.com>,
Craig Brozefsky <cr...@onshore.com> wrote:
>Sweet Poly <sw...@inanna.eanna.net> writes:
>
>> On Wed, 17 Dec 1997, Jeremiah Blatz wrote:
>> >
>> > (Of course, many people find that it calms their stomaches, which
>> > would help if you were trying to trip on straight cough syrup.)
>>
>> It's hard enough tripping on good clean acid. Nothing like those "acid
>> farts".
>
>The signal that we would start to come down always came from my freind
>Greg, who would with a great big smile, rip a loud one, and pronounce
>that it was indeed 'the coming-down fart'.
Although I've never had an acid fart, this sounds way better than the
traditional method of coming down -- having your soul ripped to shreds
by demons etc...
--
(__) Sourcerer
/(<>)\ O|O|O|O||O||O
\../ |OO|||O|||O|| Cyberpunk's not dead. It's just not
|| OO|||OO||O||O fiction anymore...
The Passenger
In article <66q9lp$ji3$1...@news2.xs4all.nl>, Johnny Fusion =11811=
<jfu...@xs1.xs4all.nl> sayz
> Since, and probably before, the founding of alt.cyberpunk one
>question has persisted, and this same question is answered, but alas,
>never the same way twice. This question is, of course, "What is a
>cyberpunk?"
tell if you've heard it or not I'll write it in secrect alt.cp code;
nuon a ton ,evitcejda na si "knuprebyc"
Anyway,
> Below you will find a definitive list of all the myriad
>definitions and mutations of this identity, this meme, known as the
>Cyberpunk.
I thought that this was quite funny actually, but it seems that a few
all to serious types missed the humor . . . .
>THE "REAL" CYBERPUNK:
(tm) of course.
>CYBERGOTH:
>
>The CYBERGOTH is someone who wishes they lived in the 19th century,
>their face was pale as a corpse, and fantasizes about romantic
>vampires. Other anemities of 19th century life they enjoy include
>industrial music, going to clubs and raves, and using the internet.
I find this strangely derivitive, but then I don't get on well with the
alt.goths much. If we are speaking about alt.goths then we musn't
forget that they all drink cider and alcoholic lemonade and dance around
with *scary* masks made out pumpkins on their heads, for that elegant
touch. They also relentlessly cross-reference, cross-examine and re-
question *everything* for *non-goth* qualities. Hmmmmm . . . . .
(Apologies for that last comment if any *nice* alt.goths were offended.)
>
>
>NIHILISTIC TECHNOFETISHIST:
=>University students who spend all their money on such gadjets and thus
have to drink rain water and eat beans on toast all the time. Great
fellows!
>
>
>POSEUR CYBERPUNK:
Relentlessly ask the same questions over and over and over. Are really
good friends with dick@aol. That being said I find old richard
strangely amusing, he reminds me of Edd the Duck.
>
>
>ROLE PLAYING CYBERPUNKS
>
>In short, this brand of Cyberpunk has a problem with reality. They know
>everything there is to know about technology that does not even exist
>yet, and in many cases never will. The ROLE PLAYING CYBERPUNK spends
>most of his/her time either in a MUD or sitting around with others of
>the same type saying stuff like, "Ok, roll a 1D20 and get a 14 or
>greater to penetrate the black ICE." Sad thing is, they prefer it this
>way.
I find this very offensive in the same way that you might find comments
about people who like reading sci-fi being "obsessed by space-ships and
flying saucers". About the most offsive thing you can say to a role-
player is that they like tsr games ;)
Personally, I have done it in the past and was never really a dice user
and generally ran fairly mature themes. It is one of my favourite
creative mediums. For me it is an optional part of reality, not a
substitute, just like our own dear net.
>ORIGINAL CYBERPUNKS:
>
>Ok, lets face it, the term "Cyberpunk" was coined to give the ignorant
>masses a handle on this new style of hard science fiction that emerged
>in the mid 1980s. The ORIGINAL CYBERPUNKs wrote this stuff. It was a
>label to sell a particular brand or style of literature. Period. One
>ORIGINAL CYBERPUNK *wrote* the opening line to _Neuromancer_.
I could strech to agreeing that this is the one exception to my above
encoded rule.
C'ya
--
-+Tpass+-
The Passenger
In article <67md2n$c...@eve.enteract.com>, Sourcerer <vag...@onshore.com>
sayz
>
>All goths are poseurs. It's a requirement (isn't it in the faq?).
<He says looking quickly over his shoulders for the alt.goths closing in
with sacrificial knives)
IMHO - NO matter what any over zealous alt.goth might tell you I can't
see any way for goth to be a way of life or a religion or any sort of
ideology. It is just a style, simple. And, no matter what they say,
Marilyn Manson is a goth by definition, even if he is a bit of a wanker.
>
>I might be up for relating how goth points were imported into alt.cp,
>converted into cyberpunk points, and who's responsible (blush)) for
>this sin against high cyberpunk seriousness...
Are goth points converted to cp points?
Shit.
I must be into -ve cp points then.
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No mister alt.goth! Thats my makeup! Leave my purest white foundation alone.
Thief! Thief baggins, we hates them for ever! Skkkkkk!