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Tom56
newsgroup.
Quite the slam job going on there...
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nada, nyet, no way.......
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Rich.
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you just have to look for them.
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SFBaychic
newsgroup, I see no problem with it as you long as you cite the source. No
different from copying a CNN newsstory and posting the link.
So, donning my flame retardant suit cuz I dont give a shit, over in
alt.current events-usa Eric Perlin posted:
"The Real American Traitors
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By: William Rivers Pitt 10/04/01
"Whenever you hear a man speak of his love for his country, it is a sign
that he
expects to be paid for it." - H. L. Mencken
Two weeks ago, I would have believed it impossible to imagine that anything
I
saw or heard could be more wretched, wrenching or enraging than watching
those
two airplanes slice into the World Trade Center Towers.
Two weeks ago, I would have believed that I could never be more horrified
than I
was when I realized that those tiny dots on my television screen were human
beings who, when faced with the choice between fire and falling, chose the
high
drop to meet their death.
Two weeks ago, I would never have believed I could feel as much sorrow as I
did
when beholding the walls in Manhattan depicting the names and faces of the
missing and the doomed.
It is with awe, and with the purest disgust I have ever known, that I report
to
you something worse than what transpired on September 11th. We believe there
are
no humans on earth more despicable than those who perpetrated this act of
bloody
terror, but we are wrong.
The most despicable people on earth are the American Republicans who are,
right
this minute, using the dead and the lost in New York and Washington for
political vengeance and gain. There are many who do this, among whom are
Congressmen and columnists, television pundits and hired hacks. By their
actions, our American dead are being murdered again.
To truly understand the depth and breadth of this depraved and evil
hypocrisy,
we must begin by reaching all the way back to the heady days of the Reagan
administration. In those days there were two hot wars blazing, and both were
used by Reagan to further his Cold War goals.
The first was the protracted fight between Iran and Iraq that lasted ten
years.
Saddam Hussein, now known as a bloodthirsty demon, was in those days a boon
compatriot of American interests. We armed him and his military to the teeth
in
their fight with Iran, because that nation was receiving weapons and funding
from the Soviet Union.
American SEAL teams fought alongside Iraqi troops, blowing up bridges and
fighting the kind of covert guerilla war they are famous for. In the end,
Iraq
fought Iran to a stalemate, and found itself at the end of the war among the
most well-armed and well-trained nations in the region.
We all know how this ended. Barely two years later, Hussein was charging
into
Kuwait with his army and threatening to disrupt the flow of oil from the
Middle
East. America, under the leadership of the first George Bush, gathered a
coalition of nations and drove him in flames back to Baghdad.
In the process, however, we established military bases in Saudi Arabia, the
original home nation of Osama bin Laden. bin Laden, appalled that the
'Crusaders' were again assembled under arms in his homeland, swore eternal
holy
war against the United States.
The other hot war being waged at the time was much more vividly a Cold War
conflict. In 1979 the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan, and the Reagan
administration poured untold millions of dollars worth of weapons and arms
into
that nation, to be used by the Afghani Mujeheddin.
The Mujeheddin freedom fighters, compared by Reagan to our Founding Fathers,
were pledged to drive the Soviets from their land, and were more than happy
to
accept the help of the United States. The CIA trained scores of Mujeheddin
fighters, among them Osama bin Laden. A number of these men were trained
right
here in America at Fort Benning, Georgia.
In the end, the Soviet military smashed themselves into broken oblivion
against
the unyielding Afghani landscape, and were bled nearly to death by the
stings of
the American-armed Mujeheddin fighters. When they left, the once-united
freedom
fighters fell to war amongst various factions for control of the nation.
Soon, the group now known as the Taliban assumed near total control of the
country, and instituted a regime based upon a harshly interpreted version of
fundamentalist Islam. Osama bin Laden, deeply involved in the fight against
the
Soviets, made a home with the Taliban, and was given their protection. In
1998
agents of bin Laden used a plastic explosive called Semtex, originally given
to
the Mujeheddin by the Reagan administration, to destroy two American
embassies
in Africa.
This tangled web of Cold War loyalties and conflict has as much to do with
our
present state as any other factor. Arguments regarding the righteousness and
validity of our involvement in these wars can, and have, raged for years.
Both
sides can boast persuasive arguments to bolster their opinions. This is not
where foul hypocrisy has made its lair.
The sickening, opportunistic Republican political vampires have ignored this
very basic American history in the region from which our current woe has
sprung,
and instead have chosen a favorite partisan target to blame for this entire
awful episode.
You guessed it. The whole mess is Bill Clinton's fault. Forget the Cold War.
Ignore the Gulf War. Leave aside the Mujeheddin warriors who became the
Taliban
by using American weapons to gain power and influence. In our darkest days,
these Republican whores have plundered the graves of our American dead to
attack, once again without foundation, a former President whose political
viewpoint they disagree with.
A columnist named Andrew Sullivan crystallized this revisionist nonsense,
now
parroted with glee by the worthless denizens of the Fox News Channel as well
as
other equally repugnant members of the conservative news media, in a recent
column:
"The decision to get down and dirty with the terrorists, to take their
threat
seriously and counter them aggressively, was simply never taken. Former
president Bill Clinton, whose inattention to military and security matters
now
seems part of the reason why America was so vulnerable to slaughter."
The facts of the matter are far different. In 1999, the Clinton
administration
initiated a bold plan to capture or kill bin Laden by training approximately
60
members of Pakistani intelligence for the task. This was done in response to
the
attacks upon our African embassies, and may well have succeeded.
The plot collapsed when Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif was overthrown
in
a coup by General Pervez Musharraf, who remains today the leader of
Pakistan.
Musharraf refused to support the plot, and it withered on the vine through
no
fault of Clinton.
Earlier, the Clinton administration, acting upon information provided with
an
imprimatur of certitude by the Pentagon, launched some 66 cruise missiles
into
Afghanistan. These missiles were aimed at a training camp the Pentagon
believed
was sheltering bin Laden. The information proved to be erroneous, and bin
Laden
was unharmed. Again, the Clinton administration acted boldly, but was foiled
by
circumstances beyond its control.
The Clinton administration spoke often about the need to augment America's
defenses against terrorist attack. Clinton, having presided over the first
bombing of the World Trade Center, the destruction of the Murrah Federal
Building in Oklahoma City, and the destruction of American embassies in
Africa,
knew in an acutely personal way what needed to be done.
His attempts to address the threat were not only foiled by circumstance, and
were not only foiled by an American mood that neither knew or could even
conceive of an attack like that which transpired on September 11, 2001.
Clinton's attempts to address the threat of terrorism against the United
States
were disrupted and diverted by the same Republicans who seek today to blame
him
for the tragedy.
The most potent weapon Osama bin Laden has to wield against America is his
financial resources, and the means to move that money secretly from cell to
cell. Bluntly, it takes a man of means to fight a nation of means. During
his
administration, Clinton offered legislation that would give the Treasury
Secretary broad powers to ban foreign nations and banks from accessing
American
financial markets unless they cooperated with money-laundering
investigations
that would expose and terminate terrorist cash flows.
The legislation was killed by Texas Republican Senator Phil Gramm, who
doubtless
rationalized this now-portentous obstructionism by reminding himself that
Clinton was a Goddless womanizer who wished only to strip him and his
constituents of their American freedoms. Asked in September 2001to defend
his
actions, Gramm responded, "I was right then and I am right now. The way to
deal
with terrorists is to hunt them down and kill them."
The idea of choking off their financial resources, now so popular as to be
almost axiomatic, apparently does not resonate with Senator Gramm. In the
guise
of this balding failed Presidential candidate lives yet another wall thrown
up
by opportunistic and narrow-minded Republicans, whose desire to stick it to
Clinton aided and abetted the murderers who visited New York last month.
The hypocrisy behind current Republican attempts to blame Clinton for the
World
Trade Center attacks finds its roots far beyond the opportunistic posturing
of
Phil Gramm. It reaches back to the viciously partisan Republican-controlled
Congress of 1996, which thwarted legislation offered by Clinton that would
have
substantially augmented America's ability to defend against terrorist
threats.
In 1996 Senator Orrin Hatch referred to several threats which Clinton warned
us
of, threats that now are as commonplace as stores that have sold out of gas
masks, as "phony threats." He used these words to attack Clinton's
legislation,
helping to create a legislative environment that gave birth to a
watered-down,
Congress-driven version of an anti-terrorism bill that has been proven to be
utterly worthless.
Senator Trent Lott, with his powers as Republican Majority Leader, did
everything in his power to hamstring Clinton's attempt to enact real
protections
against American threats in 1996. Yet he found within himself the
unmitigated
gall to stand in the well of the Senate during a debate about the current
iteration of Clinton's anti-terrorism measures on October 2nd, 2001 and say,
"If
anything happens, if there is a terror attack, the Democrats will have to
explain to the American people why they didn't pass this bill."
This is bottomless, bottomless hypocrisy, and the story of it only gets
worse
from here.
On January 31, 2001, the Hart-Rudman report was published. This report
voiced
dire warnings about threats to American security posed by terrorist attacks.
Further, this report recommended the creation of an Office of Homeland
Defense
that would be responsible for the implementation of defensive measures to
combat
this threat. The Hart-Rudman report was summarily dismissed and ignored by
the
Bush administration.
On February 12, 1997, Vice President Al Gore delivered to President Clinton
a
report entitled 'White House Commission on Aviation Safety and Security.' In
this report, Gore outlined numerous ways in which the airline industry could
protect its aircraft and passengers from the threat of terrorism. Many, if
not
all of these recommendations would have gone a long way towards thwarting
the
September 11 attacks. Like Hart-Rudman, the warnings voiced by Gore's report
were ignored by the Bush administration.
What is most reprehensible about the treatment the Gore report has received
can
be explained through the simple geometry of the airline industry
marketplace,
which has one of the most powerful lobbying voices to be found on the floor
of
the Republican-controlled Congress.
It has been no secret within the airline industry that security at American
airports is a bad joke. These checkpoints are mostly manned by
poorly-trained
workers who make minimum wage. Between 1991 and 2000, FAA agents managed to
smuggle grenades, guns and other weapons aboard aircraft at Logan airport in
Boston with a 90% success rate. Logan, it must be noted, was the point of
origin
for the aircraft that stuck the Towers. The terrorists had done their
research.
The FAA, during the Clinton administration, proposed sweeping changes to the
way
security is enforced at airport checkpoints. These measures were fought
every
step of the way in the Republican-controlled Congress by the aforementioned
airline industry lobby, to good effect. None of the changes desired by the
FAA
have been legislated, because the airline industry did not want to pay for
them.
Even today, after all that has happened, Republicans in Congress fight the
idea
that some sort of Federal presence at these vulnerable security checkpoints
might not be a bad idea. A healthy bottom line for Delta and American is
more
important to the Republican Congressmen who accepted their share of the $35
million in campaign contributions from said lobbies, apparently, than the
safety
and security of the nation.
No credence was given to the Hart-Rudman report or the Gore Commission
report by
the Republican-controlled Congress, on whom falls the responsibility for
enacting legislation based upon such warnings. This was done for purely
partisan
reasons, and nothing more.
The New Republic, in an article published in 1997, commented prophetically
about
the demise of the Gore Commission report:
"The truth is, there is not a whole lot that can be done to stop a trained
professional terrorist. Terrorism will continue, and, in calmer moments,
people
will recognize that any attempt to stamp it out completely would impose such
extraordinary costs and time delays as to destroy the airline industry
altogether. The Gore Commission.inaugurated with such fanfare, will likely
see
their recommendations disappear into archival history. And everything will
settle down until the next explosion."
Recently, the Republican-controlled Congress gave a multi-billion dollar
bailout
to the airline industry, whose greedy culpability in the events of September
11th is beyond question. This industry was given approximately four times
the
amount they had lost while grounded, money that was once earmarked for
Social
Security and Medicare. Immediately after receiving this bailout, United
Airlines
ordered almost a dozen planes from a French airline manufacturer.
According to OpenSecrets.org, Republicans received 60% of the total campaign
contributions donated by the airline industry, amounting to $4,115,439. In
1998
they received a meager 59% of the contributions, amounting to $2,440,897.
Since the attacks of September 11th, anyone who dares criticize Republican
President George W. Bush has been labeled a traitor. Reporters have been
fired
for doing so, talk show hosts have been repudiated for doing so, and the
White
House Press Secretary himself has warned all of America to "watch what we
say."
The reasons for this intellectual lockdown are articulated as being
necessary to
combat the threat of terrorism, and to present a united front against our
enemies. Most of those demanding this united front are Republicans who have
wrapped themselves in the flag. They do so not out of patriotism, but to hid
their shameful and guilt-ridden faces from a public that deserves to know
the
truth.
For this, and for everything described above, I accuse them of treason.
For attempting to obscure fundamental American history that could help to
explain to a shocked America where these attacks have come from, I accuse
them
of treason.
For attempting to blame a former President for their own actions and
partisan-motivated lack of action that led directly to this horror, I accuse
them of treason.
For using the blood and bones and woe of American dead to further a
repulsive
and apparently ceaseless jihad against the Democratic Party, I accuse them
of
treason.
For stifling dissent in a land founded upon the freedoms expressed by the
First
Amendment of the Constitution, I accuse them of treason.
For aiding and abetting the noxious greed of an airline industry that stands
in
deep taint for their refusal to address clear and present threats, because
such
actions would cut into profits, I accuse them of treason.
They are guilty. The facts are clear. You cannot hide from history. The
Republicans are the real American traitors. They are the shame and the
sorrow
and the scourge of this nation.
The dead remember. So do the living. So do I. So should you.
--------------------------------------------
U.S. Was Foiled Multiple Times in Efforts To Capture Bin Laden or Have Him
Killed (10/3/01)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61219-2001Oct2.html
Roadblocks Cited in Efforts to Trace bin Laden's Money (9/20/01)
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/20/business/20MONE.html
President wants Senate to hurry with new anti-terrorism laws (7/30/96)
http://www9.cnn.com/US/9607/30/clinton.terrorism/
HOT AIR (3/10/97)http://www.thenewrepublic.com/magazines/tnr/textonly/031097
/txtellingwood031097.html
White House Commission on Aviation Safety and Security
http://www.fas.org/irp/threat/212fin~1.html
Hart-Rudman Executive Summary of U.S. Commission on National Security Repor
http://usinfo.state.gov/topical/pol/terror/01013102.htm
Airlines: Long-Term Contribution Trends
http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.asp?Ind=T1100
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> "Eric Perlin" <ericp...@SPAMSUCKSprodigy.net> wrote in message
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> > The Real American Traitors
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> <seemingly endless liberal whine snipped>
>
> Q: What is the difference between a liberal and a puppy?
> A: A puppy stops whining after it grows up.
> --
> Bill O'Reilly RULES!"
>
>
Eric Perlin po
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> "KCtheKat" <KCth...@HotMail.com> wrote:
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> >This post here links both NG together
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> What?
Paste?
KCtheKat
add this to your newsgroups to be replied to:
If you want to post to both at the same time.
Someone above in this tread asked about being able to do this.
Outlook Express has the ability to do that.
News groups: alt.current-events.wtc-explosion,alt.current-events.usa
That way if you have a subject you can post to them both.
and recieve replies from both at the same time.
KC
Just Helping
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> alt.current-events.wtc-explosion,alt.current-events.usa
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> add this to your newsgroups to be replied to:
> If you want to post to both at the same time.
> Someone above in this tread asked about being able to do this.
> Outlook Express has the ability to do that.
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> News groups: alt.current-events.wtc-explosion,alt.current-events.usa
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> That way if you have a subject you can post to them both.
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> KC
> Just Helping
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Not sure what you mean. The person said "what?" and I suggested that
"past" meant "paste" ?
Or do you mean when I post articles?
Yea - In OE as long as the server has one of the newsgroups it will post
to the rest after bitching about it. - That is why I am booting to Windows a
lot instead of IE. My preferred newsreader in Linux won't post if there is a
ng that the server does not list. (cis.dfn.de does not seem to carry
alt.current-events.usa, and my ISP server looses or long lingers to many
posts.)
Anyway - It is Saturday and that gives me license to get drunk earlier
than usual and why should I be carrying on about personal problems anyway?
KCtheKat
> Or do you mean when I post articles?
> Anyway - It is Saturday and that gives me license to get drunk earlier
=My drinking license expired, but it doesn't keep my from getting drunk.
=I'd rather have a bottle infront of me, Than a frontal labodamy.
KC
; )
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> =Yes
>
> > Anyway - It is Saturday and that gives me license to get drunk
earlier
>
> =My drinking license expired, but it doesn't keep my from getting drunk.
> =I'd rather have a bottle infront of me, Than a frontal labodamy.
>
> KC
> ; )
Cool.
I just found and posted another interesting article from my favorite
"commie" site.
Now I feel that I maybe should get up the gumption to check the veracity
of a few claims. - Though it would be of little matter. Folks commonly
dismiss based on the source anyway.
I wonder if a socialist organization declared Jesus to be Lord a lot of
Christians would convert to atheist, Moslem, Buddhist or just join a bowling
league?
KCtheKat
KC
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Alex W.
"-Lone_Wolf-" <-Lone_Wolf-@VIRUS_SCANNERexcite.ca> wrote in message
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Worked just fine.
Thanks.
Craig Kling
"KCtheKat" <KCth...@HotMail.com> wrote in message
> There's always two side of the coin, or rock at it may be.
> KC
> ; )
What does that have to do with much?
Lie vs. truth?
Lie vs. lie?
Something that may be truth of the moment though having arisen from much
past prevarications and misdeeds? Flip that one any way that you wish,
I'd think that one may sit complacently while one criminal cleans clock
on another criminal of its own creation and miss giving consideration what
would be left at the end.
Even the run of the mill favorer of authoritarianism might be
disappointed with the result.
rafaelro...@gmail.com
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