Sandy Hume death
Nongr
I spoke with the Arlington Police who told me that it was a suicide but they
would not tell me the manner of death. They said out of deference to the
family. I asked him if it wasn't true that they investigate apparent suicides
as homicides until suicide can be proven and he acknowledged that was true. I
expressed surprise that they would close the case so soon. He said it was
closed unless other evidence turns up to the contrary. That's all, folks.
Nobody's talking.
Billy Beck
no...@aol.com (Nongr) wrote:
Perhaps a tornado ripping through a junkyard might be of service.
Billy
VRWC fronteer - sigdiv
http://www.mindspring.com/~wjb3/clinton/vrwc.htm
Gary Cruse
On Sun, 01 Mar 1998 05:35:14 GMT, dt...@alaska.net (D.T.) graced us all
with:
>In article <19980301001...@ladder03.news.aol.com>, no...@aol.com
>(Nongr) wrote:
>
>> I spoke with the Arlington Police who told me that it was a suicide but they
>> would not tell me the manner of death.
>Well tell you what, why don't you get yourself a lawn chair, a big thermos
>of coffee, and go sit down at the morge for the next couple of months and
>see if you can turn anything up.
>
>We'll wait here. Honest.
Not *we.* *You'll* be here sitting on your ass waiting for
someone else to tell you what is going on (if you are lucky).
It is this unquestioning, lethargic mentality that lets slime
such as the first felons make corruption, unexplained death, and
front-page blowjobs just part of living in America. I can't
imagine what you tell your kids.
--
Gary Cruse vwrc-alarmist
What China got for the money:
"Your Majesty; Mr Prime Minister, here in the Rift Valley
you have bridged the tragic rift that separated your
people too long. Here in this region, which is home of
not only both of your faiths, but mine, I say, blessed
are the peacemakers, for they shall inherit the Earth."
--Bill Clinton, Oct 1994 Remarks made at the signing
of the peace treaty between Israel and Jordan.
Max Kennedy
On Sun, 01 Mar 1998 05:35:14 GMT, dt...@alaska.net (D.T.) wrote:
>In article <19980301001...@ladder03.news.aol.com>, no...@aol.com
>(Nongr) wrote:
>
>> I spoke with the Arlington Police who told me that it was a suicide but they
>> would not tell me the manner of death. They said out of deference to the
>> family. I asked him if it wasn't true that they investigate apparent suicides
>> as homicides until suicide can be proven and he acknowledged that was true. I
>> expressed surprise that they would close the case so soon. He said it was
>> closed unless other evidence turns up to the contrary. That's all, folks.
>> Nobody's talking.
>
>Well tell you what, why don't you get yourself a lawn chair, a big thermos
>of coffee, and go sit down at the morge for the next couple of months and
>see if you can turn anything up.
>
>We'll wait here. Honest.
Anouther example of the high quality of morons we are breeding in this country.
I suggest you leave this group and find anouther more suited for your low
abilities. alt.kids-talk comes to mind.
Max Kennedy
/---------
People shouldn't expect the mass media to do investigative stories.
That job belongs to the 'fringe' media. -- Ted Koppel
http://www.iglou.com/homepages/mkennedy/press.html
/----------
Ron's dead. They can't indict him.
Nola Hill on Ron Brown
/----------
http://www.iglou.com/homepages/mkennedy/twa2.html
David Martin
D.T. wrote:
>
> In article <34f90064....@news.iglou.com>, mken...@iglou.com (Max
> Kennedy) wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 01 Mar 1998 05:35:14 GMT, dt...@alaska.net (D.T.) wrote:
> >
> > >In article <19980301001...@ladder03.news.aol.com>, no...@aol.com
> > >(Nongr) wrote:
> > >
> > >> I spoke with the Arlington Police who told me that it was a suicide
> but they
> > >> would not tell me the manner of death. They said out of deference to the
> > >> family. I asked him if it wasn't true that they investigate apparent
> suicides
> > >> as homicides until suicide can be proven and he acknowledged that was
> true. I
> > >> expressed surprise that they would close the case so soon. He said it was
> > >> closed unless other evidence turns up to the contrary. That's all, folks.
> > >> Nobody's talking.
> > >
> > >Well tell you what, why don't you get yourself a lawn chair, a big thermos
> > >of coffee, and go sit down at the morge for the next couple of months and
> > >see if you can turn anything up.
> > >
> > >We'll wait here. Honest.
> >
> > Anouther example of the high quality of morons we are breeding in this
> country.
> >
> > I suggest you leave this group and find anouther more suited for your low
> > abilities. alt.kids-talk comes to mind.
>
> Go ahead Maxxy, bring it on. I hold anyone named Kennedy in the lowest regard..
>
> --
> http://www.alaska.net/~dtak
> Cold Lands links and more. Conversation welcome.
Please excuse me if I don't try to sort out who's saying what here, and
responding accordingly. I've just discovered this alarming development.
As I understand it the 28-year-old reporter son of prominent TV reporter
Brit Hume is reported to have committed suicide in Arlington, Virginia,
last Sunday.
That's news! I read and listen to a lot of news, and I live in the
area, and I had not heard of it. From what I read here, the police are
giving no details of the "suicide." If true, that is real big news and
certainly invites all manner of wild speculation. Does anyone know
anything different?
For a 28-year-old man active in a career with no known history of
clinical depression, drug or alcohol abuse to commit suicide would be
highly unusual. Does anyone know anything about his personal history?
Maybe he was a hard-driving perfectionist and they'll get suicidologist
Dr. Alan Berman to cite the recent psychology literature suggesting that
there's a veritable national holocaust of such people doing themselves
in. Or perhaps the Washington Post will once again bring out that old
workhorse to explain all unexplainable suicides, the poem "Richard Cory"
by Edwin Arlington Robinson.
Since we are being invited to speculate, let's do some. Last Sunday
morning he went into the bathroom to shave, looked in the mirror, and it
dawned on him. Like the whole Washington press corps, he had sold out.
"What am I worth? What am I living for?" he asked himself. "How would
the world be a worse place if there were one less of the likes of me?"
he wondered, for the first time in his life thinking truly clearly. A
poem by A.E. Housman came to him:
If perchance your eye offend you,
Pluck it out, lad, and be sound,
'Twill hurt, but there are salves to mend you,
And many a balsam grows on ground.
And if your arm or leg offend you,
Cut it off, lad, and be whole,
But play the man, stand up and end you
If your sickness is your soul.
And he did.
Alternatively, let us assume that as the son of Brit Hume, who cut his
journalistic teeth digging up dirt for that once-aggressive investigator
Jack Anderson, he knew better than to believe almost anything he was
told by official Washington, and he was doing some serious digging of
his own. In that case, I believe it is very important that we have some
inkling of what he might have been working on. If it is a police truism
that all violent deaths should be treated as homicides until proved
otherwise, how much more should that be the case with a reporter?
Danny Casolaro was looking into the Inslaw case and the work of the
secret government "Octopus." Paul Wilcher was investigating Inslaw and
the Octopus. Jessica Savitch had just done some hard-hitting stuff on
our spiriting of Nazi war criminals out of Europe to South America
before her fatal "accident." Shortly before she was removed from the
airwaves, Connie Chung did a story on the suspicious "suicide" of Col.
James Sabow at El Toro Marine Base.
The killing of journalists who get a little out of line is practically
commonplace in the drugocracy to our south, and we are resembling it
more and more every day.
With that background, and of course, all those "Arkicides," I'd say the
death of Sandy Hume definitely bears serious looking into.
Ray Heizer
-- Sheesh DC, do they only let you have access to newspapers and computers
on Sundays? This has been widely reported and discussed ad nauseum here
and everywhere since last Monday, including a very perceptive post by Sam
Nunn's son.
-- Give me your address. I'll send you an alarm clock.
<uninformed speculative nonsense snipped>
Michael Rivero
In article <dtak-01039...@fbk-p4-131.alaska.net>,
D.T. <dt...@alaska.net> wrote:
>In article <6date8$a...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>, gcr...@att.net wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 01 Mar 1998 05:35:14 GMT, dt...@alaska.net (D.T.) graced us all
>> with:
>>
>> >In article <19980301001...@ladder03.news.aol.com>, no...@aol.com
>> >(Nongr) wrote:
>> >
>> >> I spoke with the Arlington Police who told me that it was a suicide
>but they
>> >> would not tell me the manner of death.
>>
>> >of coffee, and go sit down at the morge for the next couple of months and
>> >see if you can turn anything up.
>> >
>> >We'll wait here. Honest.
>>
>> someone else to tell you what is going on (if you are lucky).
>> It is this unquestioning, lethargic mentality that lets slime
>> such as the first felons make corruption, unexplained death, and
>> front-page blowjobs just part of living in America. I can't
>> imagine what you tell your kids.
>
>
>
>Whoa nelly! Registered Republican, ardent fan of Rush, loves Liddy, can't
>hardly miss Fox News Sunday, hates Clinton, gets slammed cause he doesn't
>see a conspiracy behind Hume's suicide!!!
>
I'm a Democrat. And Sandy Hume's "suicide" doesn't pass the smell test.
--
Mike & Claire - The Rancho Runnamukka http://www.accessone.com/~rivero/
http://www.accessone.com/~rivero/CRASH/TWA/CIAVIDEO/ciavideo.html
Awarded a Lycos "Top 5%" of the web!
guru
David Martin wrote:
>
> D.T. wrote:
> >
> > In article <34f90064....@news.iglou.com>, mken...@iglou.com (Max
> >
> > > On Sun, 01 Mar 1998 05:35:14 GMT, dt...@alaska.net (D.T.) wrote:
> > >
> > > >In article <19980301001...@ladder03.news.aol.com>, no...@aol.com
> > > >(Nongr) wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> I spoke with the Arlington Police who told me that it was a suicide
> > but they
> > > >> family. I asked him if it wasn't true that they investigate apparent
> > suicides
> > > >> as homicides until suicide can be proven and he acknowledged that was
> > true. I
> > > >> expressed surprise that they would close the case so soon. He said it was
> > > >> closed unless other evidence turns up to the contrary. That's all, folks.
> > > >> Nobody's talking.
> > > >
> > > >of coffee, and go sit down at the morge for the next couple of months and
> > > >see if you can turn anything up.
> > > >
> > > >We'll wait here. Honest.
> > >
> > country.
> > >
> > > I suggest you leave this group and find anouther more suited for your low
> > > abilities. alt.kids-talk comes to mind.
> >
> > I disagree on one point and the attacks start coming.
> > Go ahead Maxxy, bring it on. I hold anyone named Kennedy in the lowest regard..
> >
> > --
> > http://www.alaska.net/~dtak
> > Cold Lands links and more. Conversation welcome.
>
> Please excuse me if I don't try to sort out who's saying what here, and
> responding accordingly. I've just discovered this alarming development.
> As I understand it the 28-year-old reporter son of prominent TV reporter
> Brit Hume is reported to have committed suicide in Arlington, Virginia,
> last Sunday.
>
> That's news! I read and listen to a lot of news, and I live in the
The Folks on the hill - dont want to explore this - because of concern
for Brit Hume - who is very well liked - and very much in the
limelight.
Max Kennedy
> D.T. <dt...@alaska.net> wrote:
> >ROFLMAO!!
> >
> >Whoa nelly! Registered Republican, ardent fan of Rush, loves Liddy, can't
> >hardly miss Fox News Sunday, hates Clinton, gets slammed cause he doesn't
> >see a conspiracy behind Hume's suicide!!!
a) You got slammed for disparaging a well known member of this groups
efforts in finding out facts and doing research, while offering nothing of
substance in return.
b) Considering the other posts you have made, I sincerely doubt the above is
true. Regardless, the members of this group like research, they do not like
people who interfere with it. A more approbiate group for you is
alt.kids-talk.
David Martin
Uh. Run that by me again.
Guru165871
>> The Folks on the hill - dont want to explore this - because of
>>concern for Brit Hume - who is very well liked - and very much
>>in the limelight.
>Uh. Run that by me again.
I think what he's saying is that the RepugnantCons have at least
as much to hide from the Arkancide deaths as the DemonCreeps.
It's a bipartisan cover-up.
"The sting of rebuke is the truth of it."
--Benjamin Franklin, _Poor Richard's Almanack_
j...@inxpress.net
DSharp673 wrote:
>
> to a more convincing Heizerlackey. It should
> be a woman, but a FEMININE woman. That leaves you out.
Exactly how much do you know about femininity, "Sharp"?
dingicat
But DC doesn't understand this, Kevin; he is on constant search
for a new "cause". Moreso, DC knows what is best for Brit Hume
and his family, and wants to keep young Hume in the news as
long as he can--if DC is lucky, maybe Brit will pay him to stop.
guru <mkt...@earthlink.net> wrote in article
<34FA33...@earthlink.net>...
DSharp673
[The Ignorant SLUT Rosalie Thompson wrote:]
>But DC doesn't understand this, Kevin; he is on constant search
>for a new "cause". Moreso, DC knows what is best for Brit Hume
>and his family, and wants to keep young Hume in the news as
>long as he can--if DC is lucky, maybe Brit will pay him to stop.
Rosalie, if your handlers are going to play that same old broken record, "be
respectful of the family," the least they could do would be to assign the task
to a more convincing Heizerlackey. It should
be a woman, but a FEMININE woman. That leaves you out. Having you pretend to
be feminine is like putting a bow ribbon on
a buffalo's tail and calling the buffalo a lady.
Freedom
The Alphabits in <34FB9A...@inxpress.net>, j...@inxpress.net 's
cereal bowl - spelled out the following
> DSharp673 wrote:
> >
>
> > to a more convincing Heizerlackey. It should
> > be a woman, but a FEMININE woman. That leaves you out.
>
>
What I wanna know - is -
Is Dave the Pitcher or the Catcher?
MW
ding...@erinet.com
DSharp673 wrote:
>
>
> Rosalie, if your handlers are going to play that same old broken record, "be
> respectful of the family," the least they could do would be to assign the task
> to a more convincing Heizerlackey. It should
> be a woman, but a FEMININE woman. That leaves you out. Having you pretend to
> be feminine is like putting a bow ribbon on
> a buffalo's tail and calling the buffalo a lady.
Pity, not-so-sharp, how you've been reduced to whining,
throwing barbs, and in general lost your ability to think.
I've already told you, I've been dissed by some of the
"masters", and you don't even come *close*.
Have your fun; I'm having fun toying with you. ;-)
dingicat
Aw, little lady, I don't doubt for one minute that you're more
feminine than I am--I won't try to compete with you on that
issue.
Carry on, little lady.
DSharp673 <dsha...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19980303054...@ladder03.news.aol.com>...
Toni Howard
http://www.villagevoice.com/ink/news/10ledbetter.shtml
Village Voice
Press Clips
by James Ledbetter
edi...@villagevoice.com
Hume and Cry
Why would Sandy Hume kill himself? Why would a 28-year-old journalist
whose career was rapidly rising take his own life?
Up until his death on February 22, Hume, the son of Fox News Channel
anchor Brit Hume, was a reporter for the Washington, D.C., weekly
newspaper The Hill. He also wrote for The Weekly Standard and The New
Republic and, earlier this year, began doing regular on-air commentary
for Fox.
After Hume was found dead in his Arlington, Virginia, home on February
23, his family said that his death "appeared to be a suicide," according
to the Washington Post obituary.
"There's not a person here who could ever figure out a time when they
saw him depressed," said Sheila Casey, a colleague at The Hill, where a
memorial fund has been established for Hume.
What makes Hume's demise especially baffling is that the day before he
took his life, Hume had been offered a job at U.S. News & World Report
covering Capitol Hill.
James Fallows, editor of U.S. News, told the Voice that he offered Hume
the job and left several messages seeking a response on his home
answering machine on February 21. "At the funeral, I spoke with Brit
Hume, and he said that Sandy had told him he'd decided to sign up with
us," Fallows said, noting that other publications had been courting
Hume.
As of the Voice's Monday deadline, no detailed account of Hume's suicide
had been published, even though it was the subject of florid rumors and
investigation last week in media and political circles.
Friends and associates of Hume's told the Voice that Hume had once had
problems with his drinking, but had taken steps to bring it under
control.
Early on the Sunday morning before he died, however, Hume was arrested
and charged with several offenses, including driving under the influence
of alcohol. He then attempted to choke himself with a shoelace while in
police custody.
The United States Parks Police declined to release a copy of Hume's
arrest report. Sergeant Joseph Cox, the Parks Police public information
officer, said the report was being withheld until the Arlington police
complete their inquiry into Hume's death.
The Arlington police said they would release no information until an
autopsy was performed, which could be weeks away.
Cox provided the following synopsis of the events just preceding Hume's
death. Hume was observed speeding in a green BMW at 2:20 in the morning
on February 22, only a few hours after Fallows had informed Hume he had
the job. He was driving south on the Clara Barton Parkway from the
Bethesda, Maryland, area into the District of Columbia at a rate of more
than 75 miles an hour in a 45 mph zone.
The Parks Police have jurisdiction over the Clara Barton Parkway and
began chasing Hume's BMW briefly, but stopped as he entered the
District. Nonetheless, according to Cox, officer Tod Ritacco came upon
the BMW, which had apparently stalled out at the corner of Arizona and
Canal roads. According to Cox, Hume was alone. Officer Ritacco arrested
Hume, who had "the odor of alcohol on his person," Cox said.
Hume was taken to a processing room where he failed a sobriety test and
refused to take a blood alcohol test. After Hume had been in a holding
cell for only a few minutes, officer Ritacco and a second officer
thought they heard vomiting sounds, and found Hume kneeling and trying
to choke himself with a shoelace.
Hume received medical attention, and was then charged with reckless
driving, driving under the influence, speeding, and a red light
violation. After five in the morning, Hume was sent to D.C. General
Hospital where, an official said, he was treated for "blunt trauma to
the neck."
At 9:30 that morning, Hume was referred to a city mental health office
for a psychiatric evaluation. That office, citing confidentiality
provisions, would not confirm nor deny that Hume was admitted. At some
point later that day, he returned home and, according to a colleague,
shot himself in the head.
Theoretically, if the mental health office cleared Hume as not being a
danger to himself, the Hume family could file a lawsuit. "We could
always be sued whenever there is an adverse outcome," said Dr. Robert
Kiesling, director of the emergency psychiatric response division of
D.C's Commission on Mental Health.
Hume was probably best known for reporting in early 1997 that renegade
GOP members of Congress--including Bill Paxon of New York and, for a
time, Dick Armey of Texas--were planning a coup against Newt Gingrich.
(That coup fizzled in July.)
"He seemed very well connected on a workaday level with the GOP power
structure," said Fallows, "and for the foreseeable future that was going
to be an important story."
Fox and Its Friends
Before last week, he mostly treated mainstream media types as
contemptible cowards, but Matt Drudge, the Internet's best-known gossip
columnist, is now ready for prime time. Or some proximity of prime time:
on Thursday, the Fox News Channel announced that it would be creating a
weekly, half-hour program to be hosted by Drudge. The show, which does
not yet have a title or starting date, will feature Drudge with various
panelists, gossiping about the worlds of politics, media, and
entertainment.
Fox's acquisition caps several months of chumminess between Drudge and
Rupert Murdoch's media armies. Fox officials have said that they began
thinking of Drudge as a TV property when they viewed his January 25
appearance on NBC's Meet the Press; undoubtedly one moment that caught
the executives' eyes was when Drudge held up a copy of Murdoch's New
York Post and praised its page 1 story about Bill Clinton's "hundreds"
of extramarital lovers.
The Post, for its part, has constantly reproduced Drudge's juicier
items, with and without credit. Indeed, the news that Drudge was about
to get a weekly Fox show first appeared on the Post's Page Six Thursday
morning, where it was attributed to "a Fox exec." And for months Drudge
has been pursued for a possible book deal by Judith Regan, who churns
out salacious celebrity books for ReganBooks, an imprint of Murdoch's
HarperCollins. (To complete the circle, Regan also hosts a weekend
program on Fox.)
Drudge has infamously boasted that his Internet material is 80 per cent
accurate (an optimistic figure, by my judgment). Does the prospect of
one in five stories being wrong trouble the network? Fox senior vice
president Chet Collier told the Voice: "It would if that's what he was
going to be doing here, but our show is going to be 100 per cent
accurate." Collier said the show would be prerecorded, and routinely
previewed by libel attorneys. This seems a prudent strategy, given that
next week marks the first hearing in White House aide Sidney
Blumenthal's $30 million lawsuit against Drudge.
Research: Kaelen Wilson-Goldie
This document last modified Tuesday, March 3, 1998, 1:20 PM EST.
Brian Nunn wrote:
>
> According to a reliable friend/source a suicide note indicates that it
> was in fact a suicide... the note contains details written to friends
> and family.
>
> There seems to be no room for suspicion of anything unusual or sinister.
>
> This is my last post on the issue.
>
> I believe that scrutiny was appropriate.
>
> I believe it is now appropriate (for me personally) to have closure as
> to the cause of Sandy's death.
>
> --
>
> Nice remembrance by Tony Snow:
>
> creators syndicate
> 3-2-98 Tony Snow
>
> REMEMBERING SANDY HUME
>
> Sandy Hume, son of my friend and colleague Brit Hume,
> took his life last week. Like most suicides, this one defies
> explanation.
>
> Sandy gave off light. He was blessed with chiseled good looks,
> athletic skill and a voracious curiosity about the world. He
> smiled easily and contagiously. When he showed up, he didn't
> just put people at ease. He made them happy.
>
> At the age of 28, he had emerged from his famous father's
> shadow and established himself as one of Washington's most
> dogged and creative reporters. He ran circles around veteran
> scribes by committing old-fashioned journalism. He worked
> long hours, talked endlessly with sources, listened carefully
> and knew how to seize upon the smallest inconsistency or
> incongruity. He could tug at loose threads in such a
> way as to unspool falsehood and reveal truth.
>
> While the Big Boys snoozed, he uncovered the attempted coup
> against Newt Gingrich, and broke off a series of exclusives
> for "The Hill," a newspaper of Capitol Hill. Bill Paxon, the
> one person shoved from grace after the failed cabal against
> Gingrich, planned to give Sandy the exclusive on his own
> decision to retire from politics.
>
> But he had range. As Christopher Caldwell points out in the
> most recent Weekly Standard, Sandy wrote about everything
> from Capitol Hill intrigue to gay- rodeo aficionados. On the
> final weekend of his life, several magazines engaged in a
> furious bargaining war to win his services -- at a salary
> that would be eye-popping for any journalist his
> age. Television networks also flocked his way -- we had hired
> him at Fox News Channel. He had the look, the poise, the
> presence. He could explain complex events simply and fully.
> He could make prospective mothers-in-law swoon.
>
> A lot of us who work with Brit got to experience the vicarious
> pleasure of watching a youngster blossom into manhood. Brit
> and Sandy suddenly became colleagues. The son would plop down
> in his father's office, and the two would talk with the animation
> of old pals. It was not unusual to hear a quick, excited
> conversation, culminating in Brit's asking: "Are you sure? Can
> we report that on the air? Right now?"
>
> To a guy journalist, this is like playing baseball in the
> backyard with your son - - but infinitely better. One could
> see in Brit's face the ineffable pride a parent takes in
> watching that greatest of miracles --a child -- display
> virtues that bedazzle even the dad.
>
> One such virtue was Sandy's bottomless decency. He put
> everyone at ease. One night, he was stranded in the St.
> Louis airport, only to discover that one of Fox's makeup
> artists was stuck there, too. When he returned to Washington,
> he teased her about their "night together." She, a dazzling
> but proper German, would blush, smile wide and lower her
> eyes. She still does, recounting the tale.
>
> The moment Sandy's friends heard of his death, one image
> flashed through their minds: His smile.
>
> And now, emptiness.
>
> It is as if those of us who remain behind have been thrust
> into a hurricane of pictures, scenes, snatches of conversation
> -- all whorled madly together in a miasma of emotion and
> impotence.
>
> We want to reach back across time and snatch him from the
> abyss. We want to hug him and slug him. We wonder what we
> could have done, what anybody could have done. We think:
> if only the phone had rung, if only a dog had barked on the
> street, if only some minor interruption had burst the bubble
> of his despair.
>
> One sees Sandy's glory etched in the ashen faces of those
> who came to tell him goodbye, who lingered with wet red eyes
> over his pictures and news clippings, who tortured themselves
> with the necessary but unanswerable question: Why?
>
> He inspires us. He mocks us. One moment we're working. The
> next, we find ourselves staring absently at a vague distant
> point, measuring the emptiness.
>
> The night Martin Luther King Jr. died, Robert Kennedy quoted
> Aeschylus: "In our sleep, pain which cannot forget falls
> drop by drop upon the heart until, in our own despair, against
> our will, comes wisdom through the awful grace of God."
>
> We can only hope. Through the fog of longing a small moral
> emerges. It is this: The most precious gift in life is having
> someone to love.
>
> Sandy showered his affections and attentions on everyone,
> without respect to station. He streaked across our lives,
> a blazing tracer in a world packed with gray souls and blank
> days.
>
> We have lost someone to love.
>
> The day I heard of his death, I raced home and hugged my wife
> and kids with a ferocity that startled them. Since then, I
> have clung to them a little tighter, lingered with them a
> little longer, relished their company a bit more. Suddenly,
> jarringly, I came to understand: Loved ones are fragile,
> precious gifts from God. Tragedy, villainy or caprice
> someday may snatch them away.
>
> The only thing worse than empty arms is an empty heart.
>
> COPYRIGHT 1998 CREATORS SYNDICATE, INC.
--
mailto:Antoni...@Worldnet.att.net
ebmf
In article <6di76o$3...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>,
Antoni...@Worldnet.att.net wrote:
> http://www.villagevoice.com/ink/news/10ledbetter.shtml
> Village Voice
> Press Clips
> by James Ledbetter
>
> edi...@villagevoice.com
>
> Hume and Cry
>
> Why would Sandy Hume kill himself? Why would a 28-year-old journalist
> whose career was rapidly rising take his own life?
>
> Up until his death on February 22, Hume, the son of Fox News Channel
> anchor Brit Hume, was a reporter for the Washington, D.C., weekly
> newspaper The Hill. He also wrote for The Weekly Standard and The New
> Republic and, earlier this year, began doing regular on-air commentary
> for Fox.
>
> After Hume was found dead in his Arlington, Virginia, home on February
> 23, his family said that his death "appeared to be a suicide," according
> to the Washington Post obituary.
>
> "There's not a person here who could ever figure out a time when they
> saw him depressed," said Sheila Casey, a colleague at The Hill, where a
> memorial fund has been established for Hume.
>
> What makes Hume's demise especially baffling is that the day before he
> took his life, Hume had been offered a job at U.S. News & World Report
> covering Capitol Hill.
Damn it...damn it...damn it
What's going on here? TWO *liberal* publications have now written pieces
crying foul (if in a somewhat softer voice than we're used to) over this
man's death. First Mother Jones and now Village Voice.
I don't get this at all.
On top of that you have a man on top of his world. To throw it all
away....but then I also am familiar with the depths of despair falling off
the wagon can throw a recovering alcoholic into, if that's true in his
case.
I really want to respect his passing, and honor his family by not throwing
mud around on this one, but I do find it *extremely* puzzling that two
leading Liberal publications are doubting it was suicide.
That's all.
Gary Cruse
On Tue, 03 Mar 1998 19:29:04 -0500, Toni Howard
<Antoni...@Worldnet.att.net> graced us all with:
> a holding
>cell for only a few minutes, officer Ritacco and a second officer
>thought they heard vomiting sounds, and found Hume kneeling and trying
>to choke himself with a shoelace.
> After five in the morning, Hume was sent to D.C. General
>Hospital where, an official said, he was treated for "blunt trauma to
>the neck."
Blunt trauma from a self-administered shoelace?
Hume is looking like a closet nut, here.
--
Gary Cruse vwrc-alarmist
What China got for the money:
"You remind me of the late, unlamented secretary general
of the United Nations, Kurt Waldheim, who also had a
lapse of memory. He conveniently forgot several years
when he was a Nazi,"
Tom Lantos (D-California) re: Donald Smaltz' failure
to mention he is a registered Republican
David Goldman
>Hume was taken to a processing room where he failed a sobriety test and
>refused to take a blood alcohol test. After Hume had been in a holding
>cell for only a few minutes, officer Ritacco and a second officer
>thought they heard vomiting sounds, and found Hume kneeling and trying
>to choke himself with a shoelace.
So how did someone so good on the job act like this, pray tell?
Wilson
In article <ebmf-03039...@oak-alg-gw9-37.ncal.verio.com>, eb...@hotmail.com (ebmf) wrote:
>In article <6di76o$3...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>,
>Antoni...@Worldnet.att.net wrote:
>
>> Village Voice
>> Press Clips
>> by James Ledbetter
>>
>> edi...@villagevoice.com
>>
>> Hume and Cry
>>
>> Why would Sandy Hume kill himself? Why would a 28-year-old journalist
>> whose career was rapidly rising take his own life?
>>
>> Up until his death on February 22, Hume, the son of Fox News Channel
>> anchor Brit Hume, was a reporter for the Washington, D.C., weekly
>> newspaper The Hill. He also wrote for The Weekly Standard and The New
>> Republic and, earlier this year, began doing regular on-air commentary
>> for Fox.
>>
>> After Hume was found dead in his Arlington, Virginia, home on February
>> 23, his family said that his death "appeared to be a suicide," according
>> to the Washington Post obituary.
>>
>> "There's not a person here who could ever figure out a time when they
>> saw him depressed," said Sheila Casey, a colleague at The Hill, where a
>> memorial fund has been established for Hume.
>>
>> What makes Hume's demise especially baffling is that the day before he
>> took his life, Hume had been offered a job at U.S. News & World Report
>> covering Capitol Hill.
>
>
>What's going on here? TWO *liberal* publications have now written pieces
>crying foul (if in a somewhat softer voice than we're used to) over this
>man's death. First Mother Jones and now Village Voice.
>
>I don't get this at all.
>
>On top of that you have a man on top of his world. To throw it all
>away....but then I also am familiar with the depths of despair falling off
>the wagon can throw a recovering alcoholic into, if that's true in his
>case.
>
>I really want to respect his passing, and honor his family by not throwing
>mud around on this one, but I do find it *extremely* puzzling that two
>leading Liberal publications are doubting it was suicide.
>
>That's all.
Shame on you!
It's mean spirited and certainly not compassionate to question Clinton's
Park Police pals. Think about the family.
Wilson
ebmf
In article <34fcd2c6...@news.erols.com>, da...@erols.com (David
Goldman) wrote:
> >Hume was taken to a processing room where he failed a sobriety test and
> >refused to take a blood alcohol test. After Hume had been in a holding
> >cell for only a few minutes, officer Ritacco and a second officer
> >thought they heard vomiting sounds, and found Hume kneeling and trying
> >to choke himself with a shoelace.
>
> So how did someone so good on the job act like this, pray tell?'
Alcoholics and addicts will do this - they are so tightly wrapped that
when they do let go they REALLY let go.
IF Hume was indeed fighting a drinking problem, or had in the past, and
was a recovering alcoholic, an event like being arrested for drunk driving
could provoke suicidal behavior, especially on the eve of a new job.
Alcoholism and drug addiction induced behavior is not rational, and cannot
be explained rationally.
I'm not saying that I know for sure he was, but it *could* explain it.
Michael Rivero
In article <34FAB8...@erols.com>, David Martin <dcd...@erols.com> wrote:
>guru wrote:
>>
>> The Folks on the hill - dont want to explore this - because of concern
>> for Brit Hume - who is very well liked - and very much in the
>> limelight.
>
>Uh. Run that by me again.
This gag is so old it has to shave.
Don't talk about the JFK autopsy out of respect to the family.
Don't talk about the Vince Foster suicide out of respect to the family.
Don't speculate about that hole in Ron Brown's head respect to the family.
etc. etc.
The problem with any devce is that over used, it becomes a cliche.
Any time someone expresses that a particular death ought not to be
looked into out of respect to the family, it's a red warning flag that
a cover up is in progress and someone is trying to buy time while
everything gets ""tidied up".
IMHO, guru's comment justifies Sandy Hume being on the dead bodies list.
Michael Rivero
In article <6di76o$3...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>,
Toni Howard <Antoni...@Worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>http://www.villagevoice.com/ink/news/10ledbetter.shtml
>Village Voice
>Press Clips
>by James Ledbetter
>
>edi...@villagevoice.com
>
>Hume and Cry
>
>Why would Sandy Hume kill himself? Why would a 28-year-old journalist
>whose career was rapidly rising take his own life?
>
Trying to choke himself on his shoelace?
If anyone believes this, please contact me. I have a bridge for sale.
Michael Rivero
In article <6diak8$2...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>,
Gary Cruse <gcr...@att.net> wrote:
>On Tue, 03 Mar 1998 19:29:04 -0500, Toni Howard
><Antoni...@Worldnet.att.net> graced us all with:
>
>>cell for only a few minutes, officer Ritacco and a second officer
>>thought they heard vomiting sounds, and found Hume kneeling and trying
>>to choke himself with a shoelace.
>
>>Hospital where, an official said, he was treated for "blunt trauma to
>>the neck."
>
> Hume is looking like a closet nut, here.
>
Probably by design. This whole storyy seems very contrived, and
I take note of the involvement again of the US Park Police, who performed
so brilliantly during the investigation into the "suicide" of Vincent
Foster.
Michael Rivero
In article <ebmf-04039...@oak-alg-gw9-28.ncal.verio.com>,
ebmf <eb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>In article <34fcd2c6...@news.erols.com>, da...@erols.com (David
>Goldman) wrote:
>
>> >refused to take a blood alcohol test. After Hume had been in a holding
>> >cell for only a few minutes, officer Ritacco and a second officer
>> >thought they heard vomiting sounds, and found Hume kneeling and trying
>> >to choke himself with a shoelace.
>>
>
>Alcoholics and addicts will do this - they are so tightly wrapped that
>when they do let go they REALLY let go.
>
>IF Hume was indeed fighting a drinking problem, or had in the past, and
>was a recovering alcoholic, an event like being arrested for drunk driving
>could provoke suicidal behavior, especially on the eve of a new job.
>
>Alcoholism and drug addiction induced behavior is not rational, and cannot
>be explained rationally.
>
>I'm not saying that I know for sure he was, but it *could* explain it.
So could yet another murder made to look like a suicide with a hastily
contrived and not too believable cover story.
The fact is that virtually every particpant in this event has already
been compromised in the past with a covered up murder, whether Tim
Easley, Vince Foster, Tommy Burkett, etc. etc. The US Park Police,
the Fairfax and Arlington Police, the M.E.s in both counties, etc. etc.
There isn't a single element anywhere in this story that can be taken at
face value.
Here's a comment from the articl;e in the Village Voice.
"The Arlington police said they would release no information until an
autopsy was performed, which could be weeks away."
Weeks away? Already this sounds like Barbara Wise's autopsy
and Ron Miller's lab tests, both of which have remained "weeks away"
ever since they died.
n_me...@hotmail.com
In article <6dd3up$t8o$1...@blaze.accessone.com>,
riv...@accessone.com (Michael Rivero) wrote:
>
> I'm a Democrat. And Sandy Hume's "suicide" doesn't pass the smell test.
I agree. Sandy knew too much about the Arkansas Project. According to
someone at the NY Observer, he was the one who told Conason about the hush
money paid to Burr. He found out about the LD Brown payoffs by the Spectator
staff. Mark my word. If any of this starts to close in on Scaife, expect
Ruddy to once again obscure the truth, and play the court fool, to protect
his boss.
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n_me...@hotmail.com
Sandy Hume is dead because he knew too much of the Arkansas Project. He had
the goods on the Snow/Tripp/Goldberg/Starr connection. I don't want to go
into too much detail, or someone might have me commit scaifeicide. Clinton
has powerful enemies.
dingicat
Michael Rivero <riv...@accessone.com> wrote in article
<6dk231$se7$1...@blaze.accessone.com>...
snip
.
>
> Any time someone expresses that a particular death ought not to be
> looked into out of respect to the family, it's a red warning flag that
> a cover up is in progress and someone is trying to buy time while
> everything gets ""tidied up".
How about taking something out of context, for a change?
Maybe you haven't head of Brit Hume--but I can tell you he is hardly
a wilting lily--and while I haven't heard him express an opinion about
it, I would even guess he is one of the conservative journalists who
find Foster's death to be of suspicious nature. I also believe that he
is intelligent enough to note if there is anything suspicious about his
son's death--and if so, he would be the first to call for more
investigation.
You don't *know* how much investigation has been done--you don't
know *anything* about young Hume's death. All you know is--if
*anything* happens, you gotta jump on it, make a big deal out of
it.
Brit Hume and his family *are* entitled to privacy, and to you, too,
I say this is none of your business. According to what you told me
a couple of years ago, you have your own "problems"--which I didn't
believe at the time, and don't believe now.
Clinton, OTOH, has numerous problems, and you might want to
turn attention to them, in spite of being a Democrat--right is right,
and wrong is wrong, Dem or Repub.
Whenever you have something to say about what I've written, don't
do a DC Dave, say what is on your mind. "someone" just don't cut
it.
>
> IMHO, guru's comment justifies Sandy Hume being on the dead bodies
list.
>
Why, has he expressed the opinion as Goldman, that you could easily
replace Rush?
dingicat
Michael Rivero <riv...@accessone.com> wrote in article
>
snip
> Here's a comment from the articl;e in the Village Voice.
>
> "The Arlington police said they would release no information until an
> autopsy was performed, which could be weeks away."
>
> Weeks away? Already this sounds like Barbara Wise's autopsy
> and Ron Miller's lab tests, both of which have remained "weeks away"
> ever since they died.
Get a grip, Mike, *you're weeks away* from Wise and Brown's death
when you try to put Hume's death in the same category.
ebmf
In article <6dk380$4cv$1...@blaze.accessone.com>, riv...@accessone.com
(Michael Rivero) wrote:
> So could yet another murder made to look like a suicide with a hastily
> contrived and not too believable cover story.
>
> The fact is that virtually every particpant in this event has already
> been compromised in the past with a covered up murder, whether Tim
> Easley, Vince Foster, Tommy Burkett, etc. etc. The US Park Police,
> the Fairfax and Arlington Police, the M.E.s in both counties, etc. etc.
>
> There isn't a single element anywhere in this story that can be taken at
> face value.
>
> Here's a comment from the articl;e in the Village Voice.
>
> "The Arlington police said they would release no information until an
> autopsy was performed, which could be weeks away."
>
> Weeks away? Already this sounds like Barbara Wise's autopsy
> and Ron Miller's lab tests, both of which have remained "weeks away"
> ever since they died.
I'm not disagreeing with you - I also thought it odd.
I'm just leery of jumping on the "Clinton killed Hume" bandwagon, for fear
of being *WRONG*.
However, I fully encourage investigation into the case, as *AS USUAL*
there are oddities around it, just like everyone else connected even
remotely with Slick and his gang. I also would like to see Mahoney's death
investigated.
Here's a question for you.
Let's posit that he was indeed murdered. Okay? And to all of the spin
monkeys in here, back off, this is hypothetical.
How would the press react if one of their own was indeed killed by "forces
unknown?" Would'nt there be a hue and cry?
Of course. But what if they were AFRAID to question it? I ask you to
recall Stephalupagus's comments recently. Could it be that certain
elements of the VRWC and the media in general can smell the stink a mile
away, and have no interest in getting the WH's complete and utter
attention? They may be biased, but they are NOT stupid.
But, what is the likelyhood, that if there were foul forces at play in
this case, that some investigators ARE working the story, and will wait
until certain people lose or are stripped of power before stepping
forward, to protect themslves?
And if you can imagine this, as I can, how many more other stories are there?
I've said before, and i'll say it again - what I know about Slick pisses
me off, but what I don't know scares the living shit out of me.
j...@inxpress.net
n_me...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> Sandy Hume is dead because he knew too much of the Arkansas Project. He had
> the goods on the Snow/Tripp/Goldberg/Starr connection. I don't want to go
> into too much detail, or someone might have me commit scaifeicide. Clinton
> has powerful enemies.
>
The person who has the most to gain from a Clinton resignation
or impeachment is Al Gore.
Guru165871
>Sandy Hume is dead because he knew too much of the Arkansas Project. He had
>the goods on the Snow/Tripp/Goldberg/Starr connection. I don't want to go
>into too much detail, or someone might have me commit scaifeicide. Clinton
>has powerful enemies.
Party right: they are powerful, but they're not completely "enemies."
They just want to keep him under control.
Five centuries of penitentiaries
So let the guilty hang, in the Year of the Boomerang
Guru165871
In article <01bd47a4$909a93a0$0f76...@katzen.erinet.com>, "dingicat"
<ding...@erinet.com> writes:
>You don't *know* how much investigation has been done--you don't
>know *anything* about young Hume's death. All you know is--if
>*anything* happens, you gotta jump on it, make a big deal out of
>it.
I'm curious: why is it you don't WANT people to know?
>Brit Hume and his family *are* entitled to privacy, and to you, too,
>I say this is none of your business. According to what you told me
>a couple of years ago, you have your own "problems"--which I didn't
>believe at the time, and don't believe now.
When people die under suspicious circumstances, it's the
business of every citizen.
>Clinton, OTOH, has numerous problems, and you might want to
>turn attention to them, in spite of being a Democrat--right is right,
>and wrong is wrong, Dem or Repub.
And to you, turning a blind eye to suspicious circumstances
is "right?"
Orlando Uist
> After Hume had been in a holding
> cell for only a few minutes, officer Ritacco and a second officer
> thought they heard vomiting sounds, and found Hume kneeling and trying
> to choke himself with a shoelace.
>
> Hume received medical attention, and was then charged with reckless
> driving, driving under the influence, speeding, and a red light
> violation. After five in the morning, Hume was sent to D.C. General
> Hospital where, an official said, he was treated for "blunt trauma to
> the neck."
>
remove belts and such stuff especially if the prisoner is supposedly under
some influence?
Would a fellow who had been out on Saturday evening in his Green BMW,
possibly celebrating, be wearing shoes with laces long enough to do such
damage as "blunt trauma"? Where I live, such folks tend to wear loafers or
such, how much damage could be done with a tassels?
Although it is not mentioned in this article from the Village Voice, in
another on I read in this NG, it mentioned that a friend picked Hume up and
took him home. Who was this?
Uist
Michael Rivero wrote:
> In article <6di76o$3...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>,
> Toni Howard <Antoni...@Worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> >http://www.villagevoice.com/ink/news/10ledbetter.shtml
> >Village Voice
> >Press Clips
> >by James Ledbetter
> >
> >edi...@villagevoice.com
> >
> >Hume and Cry
> >
> >Why would Sandy Hume kill himself? Why would a 28-year-old journalist
> >whose career was rapidly rising take his own life?
> >
>
> Trying to choke himself on his shoelace?
>
> If anyone believes this, please contact me. I have a bridge for sale.
>
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like curing poverty.
Max Kennedy
On Tue, 03 Mar 1998 19:29:04 -0500, Toni Howard <Antoni...@Worldnet.att.net>
wrote:
>http://www.villagevoice.com/ink/news/10ledbetter.shtml
>Village Voice
>James Ledbetter edi...@villagevoice.com
>Hume and Cry
[...]
>Early on the Sunday morning before he died, however, Hume was arrested
>and charged with several offenses, including driving under the influence
>of alcohol. He then attempted to choke himself with a shoelace while in
>police custody.
If the police report reads that way, it reads that way to explain away why marks
were found around Hume's throat.
ie. This isn't a suicide. Police Brutality?
>The United States Parks Police
Drum Roll Please
/---------
People shouldn't expect the mass media to do investigative stories.
That job belongs to the 'fringe' media. -- Ted Koppel
http://www.iglou.com/homepages/mkennedy/press.html
/----------
Ron's dead. They can't indict him.
Nola Hill on Ron Brown
/----------
http://www.iglou.com/homepages/mkennedy/twa2.html
Max Kennedy
On Wed, 04 Mar 1998 13:13:30 -0800, eb...@hotmail.com (ebmf) wrote:
>I'm just leery of jumping on the "Clinton killed Hume" bandwagon, for fear
>of being *WRONG*.
Try Park Police Does Anouther.
Judging from past experience with corrupt police forces, Hume may have just been
killed from sheer brutality, as those who go unpunished too long for other
crimes tend to become assured of themselves and become more brutal.
Max Kennedy
Max Kennedy
On 4 Mar 1998 19:43:07 GMT, "dingicat" <ding...@erinet.com> wrote:
>Get a grip, Mike, *you're weeks away* from Wise and Brown's death
>when you try to put Hume's death in the same category.
Hume's death obviously revolves around the US Park Police. You do remember who
these people are, right?
Before corruption becomes so bold that it florishes against the people's
governing process itself, it first sets in at lower levels. Corrupt
organizations have a history of corruption, and it is on that level they must be
fought, not on an isolated incident by incident case.
This is the *third* suspicious death "investigated" by the US Park Police in the
last few years that I am aware of. The other death paralled the way Foster was
laid out without originally a gun in a national park, and involved espionage.
It too was an called an obvious 'suicide'.
I imagine that controlling the US Park Police is quite a bit easier than
controlling all the police in 50 states, and xxx amount of counties and cities
police. Not only that, but the US Park Police automatically gets
jurisdiction, is far more easy to control than the FBI, making it an excellent
organization to place your muscle in and dump your bodies with.
When I see the name US Park Police now, I'm seeing Midnight Rose's candy store
instead.
Max Kennedy
On Wed, 04 Mar 1998 22:20:37 -0500, Orlando Uist <Orl...@freeyellow.com> wrote:
>Although it is not mentioned in this article from the Village Voice, in
>another on I read in this NG, it mentioned that a friend picked Hume up and
>took him home. Who was this?
I asked for a source or cite for that, and never got a reply.
Max Kennedy
On Wed, 04 Mar 1998 00:36:24 -0800, eb...@hotmail.com (ebmf) wrote:
>Alcoholics and addicts will do this - they are so tightly wrapped that
>when they do let go they REALLY let go.
>
>IF Hume was indeed fighting a drinking problem, or had in the past, and
>was a recovering alcoholic, an event like being arrested for drunk driving
>could provoke suicidal behavior, especially on the eve of a new job.
>
>Alcoholism and drug addiction induced behavior is not rational, and cannot
>be explained rationally.
From there was the smell of alcohol on his breath, to he was an alcoholic.
Thats quite a leap of faith, even when not counting the fact that most
alcoholics I know are not suicidal.
M Soja
On Wed, 04 Mar 1998 22:20:37 -0500, Orlando Uist posted:
>Why was he put in a cell with his laces on? Isn't it common practice to
>remove belts and such stuff especially if the prisoner is supposedly under
>some influence?
Not holding cells.
n_me...@hotmail.com
In article <34FDCE...@inxpress.net>,
j...@inxpress.net wrote:
>
>
> The person who has the most to gain from a Clinton resignation
> or impeachment is Al Gore.
>
That's not correct. Al Gore needs a clean record to run on in 2000. Al Gore
needs a ton of cash to run. Why would he invalidate the best fundraiser the
democrats ever had.
Take it to the next level when you do political analysis.
Those with the most to gain are the extreme right. Clinton is proving them
wrong on virtually every position they have. Clinton is the most intellegent
president we've had in a generation. People like him. People approve of
him. This scares the right wing so much, that they stoop to things like the
Arkansas Project.
n_me...@hotmail.com
In article <19980304225...@ladder03.news.aol.com>,
guru1...@aol.com (Guru165871) wrote:
>
> Party right: they are powerful, but they're not completely "enemies."
>
> They just want to keep him under control.
>
No, they fear him. After twelve years of telling the people that liberals
are socialists, and spending millions to do this, they have a popular liberal
in the whitehouse. Clinton has set the right wing back 20 years. Gore will
probably win 8 years off of Clinton's coat tails. If they lose congress too,
the right is dead meat.
Craighenry
>From: n_me...@hotmail.com
>Date: Thu, Mar 5, 1998 15:54 EST
>Message-id: <6dn3ct$hgo$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>
Smoking really good stuff are we?
The right is in no danger of losing control of congress this cycle. in fact,
history suggests that they will pick of 20-30 in the house....
Wilson
In article <6dn3ct$hgo$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, n_me...@hotmail.com wrote:
>In article <19980304225...@ladder03.news.aol.com>,
> guru1...@aol.com (Guru165871) wrote:
>
>>
>> Party right: they are powerful, but they're not completely "enemies."
>>
>> They just want to keep him under control.
>>
>
>No, they fear him. After twelve years of telling the people that liberals
>are socialists, and spending millions to do this, they have a popular liberal
>in the whitehouse. Clinton has set the right wing back 20 years. Gore will
>probably win 8 years off of Clinton's coat tails. If they lose congress too,
>the right is dead meat.
Sorry to bring a little reality to your delusions, but Clinton has set the
Democratic Party back 40 years.
Check the Democratic Party fortunes at the Congressional, state and local
levels since Slick Willy came to power.
He has been the best thing to happen to the Republican Party since Lincoln
We want him to stay!
Wilson
Toni Howard
n_me...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> In article <34FDCE...@inxpress.net>,
> j...@inxpress.net wrote:
> >
> >
> > The person who has the most to gain from a Clinton resignation
> > or impeachment is Al Gore.
> >
>
> That's not correct. Al Gore needs a clean record to run on in 2000. Al Gore
> needs a ton of cash to run. Why would he invalidate the best fundraiser the
> democrats ever had.
>
> Take it to the next level when you do political analysis.
>
> Those with the most to gain are the extreme right. Clinton is proving them
> wrong on virtually every position they have. Clinton is the most intellegent
> president we've had in a generation. People like him. People approve of
> him. This scares the right wing so much, that they stoop to things like the
> Arkansas Project.
I suppose that from your low vantage point, n_merdez, the president is
about all you can see through your narrow line of vision from the
gutter. So though he may be a step up from you, he seems mighty high
from the stream of sludge you infest. Why, from your ignorant point of
view, Gore and Clinton are gods!
dingicat
n_me...@hotmail.com wrote in article <6dn361$hbv$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
> In article <34FDCE...@inxpress.net>,
> j...@inxpress.net wrote:
> >
> >
> > The person who has the most to gain from a Clinton resignation
> > or impeachment is Al Gore.
> >
>
> That's not correct. Al Gore needs a clean record to run on in 2000. Al
Gore
> needs a ton of cash to run. Why would he invalidate the best fundraiser
the
> democrats ever had.
Incumbency doesn't count?
The Dems are not raking in money at the same rate as '96. Check the FEC
database.
>
> Take it to the next level when you do political analysis.
>
> Those with the most to gain are the extreme right. Clinton is proving
them
> wrong on virtually every position they have. Clinton is the most
intellegent
> president we've had in a generation. People like him. People approve of
> him. This scares the right wing so much, that they stoop to things like
the
> Arkansas Project.
You're really hung up on that Arkansas Project; and I'll bet you're a fan
of
the "seldom read" Joe Conason. ;-)
Clinton is the most corrupt president this country has ever had, nothing
more.
Gary Cruse
On Thu, 05 Mar 1998 14:54:35 -0600, n_me...@hotmail.com graced us all
with:
>
>After twelve years of telling the people that liberals
>are socialists, and spending millions to do this, they have a popular liberal
>in the whitehouse.
Here is what else they have in the whitehouse:::
......This dramatic weakening of the international system of export
controls lies at the heart of a series of independent developments
that are gnawing away at our defense industrial base and are spilling
over into our civil industrial base as well. Several parallel
developments have long-term implications for the economic health and
competitiveness of our economy as well as the safety of our men and
women in the armed forces. They include:
The open penetration of U.S. high-tech industries, and national
and military labs by Chinese and other foreign nationals who carry
home critical military or manufacturing technology.
The massive unilateral U.S. decontrol of supercomputers and
supercomputer manufacturing technology.
The wholesale transfer of military factories to China, including a
Columbus, Ohio B-1 bomber, C-17 airlifter, and ICBM factory as
documented most thoroughly in John Fialka's book War
by Other Means.
The widespread auctions of defense manufacturing plant and
equipment, often to foreign buyers, and the loss of skilled personnel,
experience, and productive capacity of our industrial base.
Permitting Chinese agents to purchase state-of-the-art military
parts, components, and weapons systems directly from DoD surplus
property auctions, as reported by U.S. News and "60 Minutes"....
The flooding of the domestic and international market with
state-of-the-art manufacturing equipment at cut-rate prices and the
undermining of efforts to strengthen the American machine tool
industry.
The lease of the former Long beach Naval Station to a shady arm
of the Chinese government and the construction of a Chinese "Wholesale
Mall" next door to the recently closed George Air Force Base in San
Bernardino County, CA. George AFB is strategically located 70 miles
from the Navy's China Lake Weapons Development Center, only 40 miles
from the Palmdale stealth and "black program" aerospace test facility,
and just 30 miles from Edwards AFB -- the primary U.S. military
aerospace test flight center. If a permanent PRC presence develops at
such a strategic location it may offer China unparalleled
eavesdropping and intelligence collection opportunities.
* * *
--
Gary Cruse vwrc-alarmist
Also found on Monica's answering machine:
"I'm not a complete idiot . . . some parts are missing!"
j...@inxpress.net
n_me...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> In article <34FDCE...@inxpress.net>,
> j...@inxpress.net wrote:
> >
> >
> > The person who has the most to gain from a Clinton resignation
> > or impeachment is Al Gore.
> >
>
> That's not correct.
Sez you.
This isn't "normal politics" that's being played, unless
you happen to include sedition, treason, a deliberate
takedown of national security as OK in exchange for
"campaign contributions." Clearly, you do, since it's
politically convenient for you to do so.
Don't bother puking up some dirt on George Bush. It's not
relevant.
Max Kennedy
On Wed, 04 Mar 1998 14:15:11 -0600, n_me...@hotmail.com wrote:
>In article <6dd3up$t8o$1...@blaze.accessone.com>,
> riv...@accessone.com (Michael Rivero) wrote:
>>
>> I'm a Democrat. And Sandy Hume's "suicide" doesn't pass the smell test.
>
>I agree. Sandy knew too much about the Arkansas Project.
Hume's death involves the US Park Police. The US Park Police is controlled by
Clinton.
I suggest you write a letter to Clinton about it. I doubt you will get a
reply. A few snipers at your house, maybe. A response, no.
Guru165871
>> Party right: they are powerful, but they're not completely "enemies."
>>
>> They just want to keep him under control.
>
>No, they fear him. After twelve years of telling the people that liberals
>are socialists, and spending millions to do this, they have a popular liberal
>in the whitehouse.
You must be joking. He's cut the taxes the RepugnantCons wanted
him to cut, balanced the budgets the RepugnantCons wanted him
to balance, hasn't wasted NEAR as much money as the left-wingers
wanted him to waste, and for the GOP, Life is Good.
George Bush PUT Clinton in office because his situation over
Iran/Contra was untenable. He needed a confidant in there he
could control; a protege. Enter, The Slick One.
>Clinton has set the right wing back 20 years.
It isn't right versus left, it's rich versus poor, or more
properly, master versus slave. The Bohemian Grove
crowd are still in charge, and Clinton poses no threat
to that at all. Sure they put on a show for the masses,
of "conflict," a la professional wrestling, but it's FAKE.
They're in cahoots, buddy.
>Gore will probably win 8 years off of Clinton's coat tails.
No, off of BUSH's coat tails. He'll only win the title if he
swears allegiance to The Master and becomes another
imposter like Clinton, another sell-out.
>If they lose congress too, the right is dead meat.
The DemonCreep party has as many of 'em as the
RepugnantCons. By sticking to only those two
parties, you get Evil Creep A "against" Evil Creep B,
or the old trick of "good cop, bad cop." It's a scam,
and you fell for it. If you fell for it once, shame on
them; if you fell for it twice, shame on you.
cha...@hotmail.com
Who killed Hume?
http://www.koopersmith.com/index.html
...they're NOT making this one up!
Richard Chaife
cha...@hotmail.com
In article <34FAB8...@erols.com>,
dcd...@erols.com wrote:
> Uh. Run that by me again.
Better yet, go to
http://www.koopersmith.com/index.html
black flag
Was Sandy Hume the victim of
conservative homophobia?
jim hofmann
black flag wrote:
>
> Was Sandy Hume the victim of
> conservative homophobia?
Was Sandy Hume the victim of post-mortem anonymous innuendo?
--- Jim
David Martin
n_me...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> Sandy Hume is dead because he knew too much of the Arkansas Project. He had
> the goods on the Snow/Tripp/Goldberg/Starr connection. I don't want to go
> into too much detail, or someone might have me commit scaifeicide. Clinton
> has powerful enemies.
>
> http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading
This is what is known as "spreading rumors on the net." Those who only
read the "mainstream" press would get the opinion that this is the only
sort of thing that one can read here. One would never guess that it is,
on the contrary, the most reliable source of information we have because
those putting out information are usually prepared to defend it, and
because, along with the host of paid and sometimes clever shills, there
are also some just plain honest citizens interested in getting at the
truth. This n_me...@hotmail.com, on the other hand, one can predict
will not defend what he/she has posted, and is more than likely simply
engaging in mischievous disinformation.
The biggest problem with the Hume case remains that the authorities are
highly secretive about it. In a climate of very-well warranted
suspicion, they ask us simply to take their suicide conclusion on faith.
That is unacceptable and could hardly be better designed to make us more
suspicious. That almost all the news media seem to be satisfied to take
the authorities' word on faith about the curious death of one of their
colleagues can only arouse our suspicion more.