Interesting: Barry Seal Timeline (abreviated)
Bear Bottoms
a DEA informant. (Washingon Weekly, Apr. 1, 1996)
Apr. 26, 1983 Adler Berriman Seal, aka Barry Seal, arrested by DEA
Ft.Lauderdale in "Operation Screamer". (Apnd. House Crime Subcmte. July28,
1988)
June 17, 1983 Roy Stafford, Jacksonville, FL purchases a FairchildC-123K,
tail no. N4410F, s/n 54-679 from USAF. (Apnd. House CrimeSubcmte. July 28,
1988)
July 12, 1983 Stafford sells the C-123K to Doan Helicopter, Inc.,Daytona
Beach, FL (Apnd. House Crime Subcmte. July 28, 1988)
Aug. 16, 1983 Harry Doan registers the C-123K with FAA on behalf ofDoan
Helicopter, Inc. (Apnd. House Crime Subcmte. July 28, 1988)
Feb. 1984 Barry Seal convicted on a methaqualone charge in Ft. Lauderdale.
(Testimony of Ernst Jacobsen before the Crime Subcmt. July 28, 1988)
Mar. 9, 1984 Lockheed Learstar (N513V) registered with FAA by BarrySeal.
(Apnd. House Crime Subcmte. July 28, 1988)
Mar. 27-29, 1984 Seal cuts deal with DEA.(Apnd. House Crime Subcmte. July
28, 1988)
Apr. 7, 1984 Seal and Felix Dixon Bates ferry a Titan 404 (N2685U)from Miami
to Medellin, Colombia for the Cartel. (Apnd. House CrimeSubcmte. July 28,
1988)
Apr. 18, 1984 Seal, Emille Camp, Felix Dixon Bates, and 3Colombians travel
to Mena, AR from Miami to view the aircraft (N513V)to be used in the
operation. Bates insists this was not connected tothe cocaine trip; that
Seal was only trying to sell another aircraft to the Colombians. (Apnd.
House Crime Subcmte. July 28, 1988)
Apr. 28, 1984 Engine blown on Lockheed Learstar (N513V, during testflight
thereby delaying trip to Colombia. (Apnd. House Crime Subcmte.July 28, 1988)
May 14, 1984 Felix Dixon Bates and Peter Everson leave the U.S. onor about
this date to ferry a helicopter to Panama to exchange for theMerlin
aircraft. Bates is to meet Seal in Panama. (Apnd. House CrimeSubcmte. July
28, 1988)
May 28, 1984 Seal and Emille Camp leave Mena, AR for Colombia at2:30 a.m. in
Learstar (N513V). At 1:00 p.m. Seal radios he will belanding in Colombia in
30 minutes. Carlos Lehder delivers 1500 Kilosof coke to Seal in Colombia.
Seal's plane crashes on takeoff. Thecocaine is unloaded and stored. (Apnd.
House Crime Subcmte. July 28,1988)
May 30, 1984 Seal calls from Medellin and explains problems. Ochoa provides
a Titan 404 aircraft (having tail no. N700FL, but believed tothe same plane
ferried to Colombia by Seal and Bates on 4/7/84) foruse in transporting half
the coke to the U.S. A refueling stop isscheduled for Los Brasiles Airport
near Managua. (Apnd. House CrimeSubcmte. July 28, 1988)
June 3, 1984 Seal leaves Colombia with approx. 660 kgs. of cocainein the
Titan 404. (Apnd. House Crime Subcmte. July 28, 1988)
June 4, 1984 Seal and Camp land the Titan 404 at Los Brasilesairfield near
Managua, Nicaragua at approximately 6:30 p.m. Plane is refueled with the
assistance of Federico Vaughan. Plane is hit byanti-aircraft fire after
takeoff and lands at Sandino Airport inManagua. Seal and Camp are held
overnight. (Apnd. House Crime Subcmte.July 28, 1988)
June 10, 1984 DEA indicates Seal acquires C-123K on this date(Apnd. House
Crime Subcmte. July 28, 1988)
June 18, 1984 Seal trades the Merlin 3B (N1012T) to Harry Doan forthe C-123K
(per Doan's records) (Apnd. House Crime Subcmte. July 28,1988)
June 23, 1984 CIA installs cameras on the C-123K at Homestead AirForce Base.
(Apnd. House Crime Subcmte. July 28, 1988)
June 24, 1984 Seal, co-pilot Emille Camp, and mechanic Peter F.Everson fly
the C-123K from Homestead AFB (via Key West) to LosBrasiles, Nicaragua.
(Apnd. House Crime Subcmte. July 28, 1988)
June 25, 1984 C-123K lands at Los Brasiles Airport approximately10:00 a.m.
The plane is met by Federico Vaughan, Pablo Escobar,Gonzolo Rodriguez-Gacha,
aka "The Mexican", and others. Approximately666 kilograms of cocaine are
loaded onto the aircraft. The C-123K isrefueled with 2,000 gallons of
aviation fuel. Photos are taken with hidden camera installed by the CIA.
C-123K departs approximately 8:00P.M. (Apnd. House Crime Subcmte. July 28,
1988)
June 26, 1984 C-123K returns to Homestead AFB approximately 4:50a.m. CIA
develops the photos. DEA takes custody of the cocaine. (Apnd.House Crime
Subcmte. July 28, 1988)
June 28, 1984 Oliver North notes in memo "C-123 acquired by DEAsource.
Installed two cameras _ plane to Miami. "Freddy Vaughan worksfor Thomas
Borge. Photos show," (Baton Rouge Adv., Apr. 10, 1988)
July 7, 1984 Seal/Camp/Everson fly the C-123K from Key West to LosBrasiles
and deliver $1.5 million in cash and "toys" to FedericoVaughan and Pablo
Escobar. "Red" Hall is in Managua and has radiocontact with Seal during
flight to Nicaragua. Seal sees 700 to 800kgs. of cocaine at the airstrip,
but leaves it in Nicaragua explaining he received a "red light" from his
U.S. ground crew. The C-123K is refueled and leaves with no cargo on board.
(Apnd. House CrimeSubcmte. July 28, 1988)
July 7, 1984 Homer "Red" Hall claims to have seen the aircraft onthe ground
at Los Brasiles. Everson does not recall seeing Hall, butwas told Hall was
manning the radio from Managua. According to Hall,Seal and Vaughan meet at
the house where the radio base has beeninstalled. (Apnd. House Crime
Subcmte. July 28, 1988)
July 8, 1984 C-123K arrives back in New Smyrna Beach, FL approximately 4:50
a.m. S/A Bob Joura and another DEA agent search theplane on arrival. (Apnd.
House Crime Subcmte. July 28, 1988)
Feb. 20, 1985 Emille Camp dies in plane crash near Mena, AR(Apnd. House
Crime Subcmte. July 28, 1988)
June 15, 1985 Seal sells the C-123K back to Harry Doan for $250,000(Apnd.
House Crime Subcmte.July 28, 1988)
Oct. 28, 1985 Seal sentenced to 6 mos. in halfway house (SalvationArmy,
Baton Rouge, LA) (Apnd. House Crime Subcmte. July 28, 1988)
Feb. 19, 1986 Barry Seal murdered.(Ark. Gaz. Dec. 17, 1986)
j...@inxpress.net
>
> >Feb. 20, 1985 Emille Camp dies in plane crash near Mena, AR(Apnd. House
> >Crime Subcmte. July 28, 1988)
>
Which were exactly what?
"Oy vey, ...."
Bear Bottoms
David Goldman wrote in message <35f71e16....@news.erols.com>...
>>1982 Richar Ben-Veniste represents Barry Seal and arranges for himto
become
>>a DEA informant. (Washingon Weekly, Apr. 1, 1996)
>
>>Apr. 26, 1983 Adler Berriman Seal, aka Barry Seal, arrested by DEA
>>Ft.Lauderdale in "Operation Screamer". (Apnd. House Crime Subcmte. July28,
>>1988)
>
Seal didn't gain audience or become an informant easily.
He tried very hard to get the feds to let him try and work
off some of his problems. It took him a while. The timeline
is a bit misleading literally, but technically correct. It took
Veniste a while to set something up for Seal for whatever
reason. Seal knew about the Screamer indictments long
before he turned himself over to authorities in florida. He
waited until he thought he had things worked out. Even that
didn't go smoothly.
Bear Bottoms
David Goldman wrote in message <35f71dc4....@news.erols.com>...
>>1982 Richar Ben-Veniste represents Barry Seal and arranges for himto
become
>>a DEA informant. (Washingon Weekly, Apr. 1, 1996)
>
>turned DEA informer.......
For anyone that knows, Seal was anything but two-bit. Money talks...
Bear Bottoms
David Goldman wrote in message <35f71e3b....@news.erols.com>...
>>June 17, 1983 Roy Stafford, Jacksonville, FL purchases a FairchildC-123K,
>>tail no. N4410F, s/n 54-679 from USAF. (Apnd. House CrimeSubcmte. July 28,
>>1988)
>
>>July 12, 1983 Stafford sells the C-123K to Doan Helicopter, Inc.,Daytona
>>Beach, FL (Apnd. House Crime Subcmte. July 28, 1988)
>
>>Aug. 16, 1983 Harry Doan registers the C-123K with FAA on behalf ofDoan
>>Helicopter, Inc. (Apnd. House Crime Subcmte. July 28, 1988)
>
>>Feb. 1984 Barry Seal convicted on a methaqualone charge in Ft. Lauderdale.
>>(Testimony of Ernst Jacobsen before the Crime Subcmt. July 28, 1988)
>
>Nicaragua???????!!!!
>
>What was Seal doing in the meantime? Twiddling his thumbs???
LOL, that plane is most responsible for the myths my man.
Is that the best reply you can come up with.
Bear Bottoms
David Goldman wrote in message <35f71e7d....@news.erols.com>...
>>Mar. 27-29, 1984 Seal cuts deal with DEA.(Apnd. House Crime Subcmte. July
>>28, 1988)
>
I can tell the time line is really messing with your head.
Give it time to soak in David. I have more
timelines.
Bear Bottoms
David Goldman wrote in message <35f720d2....@news.erols.com>...
>>Feb. 20, 1985 Emille Camp dies in plane crash near Mena, AR(Apnd. House
>>Crime Subcmte. July 28, 1988)
>
>that includes John Tower, John Heinz, Ron Brown and a few Clinton
>financial people plus a few bodyguards in helicopters.......
The circumstances weren't strange at all. I posted details
about this incident. Camp wasn't an adept pilot.
David Goldman
>a DEA informant. (Washingon Weekly, Apr. 1, 1996)
>Apr. 26, 1983 Adler Berriman Seal, aka Barry Seal, arrested by DEA
>Ft.Lauderdale in "Operation Screamer". (Apnd. House Crime Subcmte. July28,
>1988)
After becoming a DEA informant the DEA arrests him??????????
David Goldman
>28, 1988)
Who cares? he was already an informant!!
David Goldman
>tail no. N4410F, s/n 54-679 from USAF. (Apnd. House CrimeSubcmte. July 28,
>1988)
>July 12, 1983 Stafford sells the C-123K to Doan Helicopter, Inc.,Daytona
>Beach, FL (Apnd. House Crime Subcmte. July 28, 1988)
>Aug. 16, 1983 Harry Doan registers the C-123K with FAA on behalf ofDoan
>Helicopter, Inc. (Apnd. House Crime Subcmte. July 28, 1988)
>Feb. 1984 Barry Seal convicted on a methaqualone charge in Ft. Lauderdale.
>(Testimony of Ernst Jacobsen before the Crime Subcmt. July 28, 1988)
Who cares about a junky old C123 that went on one dumb sting to
David Goldman
>a DEA informant. (Washingon Weekly, Apr. 1, 1996)
A high power Washington attorney for a supposed two-bit smuggler
turned DEA informer.......
David Goldman
>Crime Subcmte. July 28, 1988)
Under very strange circumstances. But then again, he is in the club
David Goldman
>to Mena, AR from Miami to view the aircraft (N513V)to be used in the
>operation. Bates insists this was not connected tothe cocaine trip; that
>Seal was only trying to sell another aircraft to the Colombians. (Apnd.
>House Crime Subcmte. July 28, 1988)
Yeah, I bet he made alot of money in the used plane business.
David Goldman
the guys? How come the Medellin guys singled out only one minor
player, who was a DEA informant? Was Seal the only one they knew
about? Were the Cartel so dumb as not to suspect informers among all
the Americans and others they dealt with? Or did they not bother with
them? On the other hand, why not say that the Sandinistas got Seal
since he compromised them specifically in one particular event that
didn't happen every day?
OR, were circumstances a little different??????
David Goldman
>>Crime Subcmte. July 28, 1988)
>>June 18, 1984 Seal trades the Merlin 3B (N1012T) to Harry Doan forthe C-123K
>>(per Doan's records) (Apnd. House Crime Subcmte. July 28,1988)
>>June 23, 1984 CIA installs cameras on the C-123K at Homestead AirForce Base.
>>(Apnd. House Crime Subcmte. July 28, 1988)
>>June 24, 1984 Seal, co-pilot Emille Camp, and mechanic Peter F.Everson fly
>>the C-123K from Homestead AFB (via Key West) to LosBrasiles, Nicaragua.
>>(Apnd. House Crime Subcmte. July 28, 1988)
Why did SEAL have to OWN a C123 for one lousy sting? Couldn't someone
just lend it to him for one lousy trip?
David Goldman
the guys? How come the Medellin guys singled out only one minor
player, who was a DEA informant? Was Seal the only one they knew
about? Were the Cartel so dumb as not to suspect informers among all
the Americans and others they dealt with? Or did they not bother with
them? On the other hand, why not say that the Sandinistas got Seal
since he compromised them specifically in one particular event that
didn't happen every day?
OR, were circumstances a little different??????
>Apr. 28, 1984 Engine blown on Lockheed Learstar (N513V, during testflight
David Goldman
>tail no. N4410F, s/n 54-679 from USAF. (Apnd. House CrimeSubcmte. July 28,
>1988)
>July 12, 1983 Stafford sells the C-123K to Doan Helicopter, Inc.,Daytona
>Beach, FL (Apnd. House Crime Subcmte. July 28, 1988)
>Aug. 16, 1983 Harry Doan registers the C-123K with FAA on behalf ofDoan
>Helicopter, Inc. (Apnd. House Crime Subcmte. July 28, 1988)
>Feb. 1984 Barry Seal convicted on a methaqualone charge in Ft. Lauderdale.
>(Testimony of Ernst Jacobsen before the Crime Subcmt. July 28, 1988)
Who cares about a junky old C123 that went on one dumb sting to
David Goldman
>>Crime Subcmte. July 28, 1988)
>>June 18, 1984 Seal trades the Merlin 3B (N1012T) to Harry Doan forthe C-123K
>>(per Doan's records) (Apnd. House Crime Subcmte. July 28,1988)
>>June 23, 1984 CIA installs cameras on the C-123K at Homestead AirForce Base.
>>(Apnd. House Crime Subcmte. July 28, 1988)
>>June 24, 1984 Seal, co-pilot Emille Camp, and mechanic Peter F.Everson fly
>>the C-123K from Homestead AFB (via Key West) to LosBrasiles, Nicaragua.
>>(Apnd. House Crime Subcmte. July 28, 1988)
Why did SEAL have to OWN a C123 for one lousy sting? Couldn't someone
David Goldman
>Is that the best reply you can come up with.
So please fill in the gaps in the timeline when Seal must have been
just twiddling his thumbs.....
David Goldman
>about this incident. Camp wasn't an adept pilot.
And Ron Brown, John Heinz and John Tower weren't adept passengers, and
the soldiers who died in helicopters weren't adept either........
j...@inxpress.net
>
> >June 17, 1983 Roy Stafford, Jacksonville, FL purchases a FairchildC-123K,
> >tail no. N4410F, s/n 54-679 from USAF. (Apnd. House CrimeSubcmte. July 28,
> >1988)
>
> >July 12, 1983 Stafford sells the C-123K to Doan Helicopter, Inc.,Daytona
> >Beach, FL (Apnd. House Crime Subcmte. July 28, 1988)
>
> >Aug. 16, 1983 Harry Doan registers the C-123K with FAA on behalf ofDoan
> >Helicopter, Inc. (Apnd. House Crime Subcmte. July 28, 1988)
>
> >Feb. 1984 Barry Seal convicted on a methaqualone charge in Ft. Lauderdale.
> >(Testimony of Ernst Jacobsen before the Crime Subcmt. July 28, 1988)
>
> Nicaragua???????!!!!
>
It's at the core of the allegations regarding Seal working for
the CIA, running guns, dropping bags of cash, etc. Without it,
your whole schtick is shot. It's so important to your scenario
that Terry Reed felt compelled to concoct the story about
No Problema being the "real" C-123, as the belief that the
stories about the Fat Lady begins to fade in the face of
statements by Welch, Bottoms, Hadaway, etc.
You've been KO'd, Goldman.
j...@inxpress.net
>
> What did Seal do in between these little escapades? Go bowling with
> the guys? How come the Medellin guys singled out only one minor
> player, who was a DEA informant?
Now you've been reduced to being fully disingenuous.
In no sense was Seal "a minor player".
Time for you to head for the showers.
Rob Robertson
>
> >1982 Richar Ben-Veniste represents Barry Seal and arranges for himto become
> >a DEA informant. (Washingon Weekly, Apr. 1, 1996)
>
> >Apr. 26, 1983 Adler Berriman Seal, aka Barry Seal, arrested by DEA
> >Ft.Lauderdale in "Operation Screamer". (Apnd. House Crime Subcmte. July28,
> >1988)
>
One question mark will do, Goldman.
Do you actually believe that simply because he's an informant,
the DEA would be his best friend? Here in Massachusetts there's
been a big deal made about Steven "The Rifleman" Flemmi and
"Whitey" Bulger being FBI informants in the Mob for years and
receiving tips from the FBI of upcoming raids. They were told
that they had virtual carte blanche to do whatever they wanted
to do as long as they didn't whack anybody, and eventually the
FBI turned on them and brought them up on racketeering charges.
Now Flemmi is spilling his guts in court because he feels that
the FBI went back on their word, which is just SOP, IMHO.
_
Rob Robertson
David Goldman
>the DEA would be his best friend?
He wasn't just a minor felon in Massachussetts! He was supposedly
someone so big that needed him badly enough to supposedly implicate
the Sandinistas in drug trafficking. And all they could use his skills
for was one lousy sting. So what was the game of using him and then
arresting him??
David Goldman
the guys? How come the Medellin guys singled out only one minor
about? Were the Cartel so dumb as not to suspect informers among all
the Americans and others they dealt with? Or did they not bother with
them? On the other hand, why not say that the Sandinistas got Seal
since he compromised them specifically in one particular event that
didn't happen every day?
OR, were circumstances a little different??????
>Apr. 28, 1984 Engine blown on Lockheed Learstar (N513V, during testflight
David Goldman
>the CIA, running guns, dropping bags of cash, etc. Without it,
>your whole schtick is shot. It's so important to your scenario
>that Terry Reed felt compelled to concoct the story about
>No Problema being the "real" C-123, as the belief that the
>stories about the Fat Lady begins to fade in the face of
>statements by Welch, Bottoms, Hadaway, etc.
>You've been KO'd, Goldman.
I am glad you have revealed your ignorance. First because you still
cannot explain why Seal would have to buy a C123 for one dumb useless
sting, when many more would presumably have been called for. And
second, because Terry Reed doesn't talk about No Problema. As far as
he was concerned he was privy to a C123 which was doing all the work.
But indeed there were two, just as there were two of other planes that
Seal had. The information on No Problema as a separate plane was
demonstrated by AEP. Still no proof that the documents on No Problema
were falsified! And who are the "etc."?
David Goldman
>In no sense was Seal "a minor player".
>Time for you to head for the showers.
So he was the King of all DEA informants? The entire work of the DEA
and their "stings" was dependent on only Barry Seal??????? And he was
so major a player that he was only used for one lousy sting???
Rob Robertson
Federal prisons are *full* of double-crossed informants. So are morgues.
*Please* stop being such a dope.
_
Rob Robertson
j...@inxpress.net
>
> >It's at the core of the allegations regarding Seal working for
> >the CIA, running guns, dropping bags of cash, etc. Without it,
> >your whole schtick is shot. It's so important to your scenario
> >that Terry Reed felt compelled to concoct the story about
> >No Problema being the "real" C-123, as the belief that the
> >stories about the Fat Lady begins to fade in the face of
> >statements by Welch, Bottoms, Hadaway, etc.
>
> >You've been KO'd, Goldman.
>
> I am glad you have revealed your ignorance. First because you still
> cannot explain why Seal would have to buy a C123 for one dumb useless
> sting, when many more would presumably have been called for. And
> second, because Terry Reed doesn't talk about No Problema.
Reed was AEP's source, which you would have known
if you'd read the book.
You're nothing but an agitprop tool, being fed crap by
a couple of idiots who have a hidden agenda or two.
j...@inxpress.net
>
> > Do you actually believe that simply because he's an informant,
> >the DEA would be his best friend?
>
> He wasn't just a minor felon in Massachussetts! He was supposedly
> someone so big that needed him badly enough to supposedly implicate
> the Sandinistas in drug trafficking. And all they could use his skills
> for was one lousy sting. So what was the game of using him and then
> arresting him??
So what's the game about how you can't remember something
from one post to the next????????????????
Bear Bottoms
David Goldman wrote in message <35f82b99....@news.erols.com>...
>> Do you actually believe that simply because he's an informant,
>>the DEA would be his best friend?
>
>He wasn't just a minor felon in Massachussetts! He was supposedly
>someone so big that needed him badly enough to supposedly implicate
>the Sandinistas in drug trafficking. And all they could use his skills
>for was one lousy sting. So what was the game of using him and then
>arresting him??
You argue like you know something. You do not. Not only was
the Nicaraguan sting the most important criminal investigation
in the history of drug smuggling, after the cover was blown, Seal
put together another sting which netted the Prime Minister of
Turks and Caicos Islands among others. You show your ignorance
and your prejudice against reason.