Ronald Reagan: Sexual Predator
JAKundera
(Martin McPhillips) wrote:
>this is Pat lying...
<<Let's see, Ronald Reagan knocked up his bimbo, *then*
abandoned his family to marry her.>> Pat Parson 3/16/97
>*and* Pat lying...
<<A recent biography of Reagan had associates mentioning
affairs after he married his current wife.>>
Here are some quotes from named sources. They come from the 1991
biography of Nancy Reagan by author Kitty Kelley.
This one concerns one of the women Ronald Reagan dated after his divorce
from Jane Wyman.
Jacqueline Park a Warner Bros. actress 'was humiliated by her affair
with him (Ronald Reagan). Thirty-nine years later, she said, 'It's
something I'd truly
like to forget (p. 87)
I was a star-struck and in awe of him, but I felt there was more to the
relationship than that because he always wanted to see me. I wasn't
seeing anyone else at the time, but when I got pregnant I found out that
our relationship didn't really mean anything at all to him.
He said, 'your what? Well its not from me. It's not mine. No sir, it's
not mine.' He was just awful. He said, 'I know how you Hollywood starlets
play around with everybody and then you try to blame good people like me,
but you can't get away with it. There's no proof that you're ever been
with me. You're just going to have to work this one out for yourself. I
don't want to be involved.' And then he hung up on me. She got an
abortion. (p. 88)
About a year later,
Selene Walters, another actress after meeting RR in a nightclub said
Around three o'clock that morning he was ringing my doorbell and I was
angry because I didn't want to see him behind closed doors. She said
that what occurred could today be referred to as date rape. (p. 91)
When his wife (Nancy) gave birth, Reagan was not with her in the
hospital because he was with Christine Larson. (Larsen was an ex-flame
who had turned down RR's marriage proposal right before Nancy Davis got
pregnant.) In tears he told her that he felt his life was
ruined.(p.96)
Later on,
Racked by guilt, Ronald Reagan finally began committing himself to his
marriage. With the exception of a brief dalliance in 1968, he embraced
fidelity as a path to material happiness. (p. 96)
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It looks like Parson is right after all.
ppar...@swbell.net
JAKundera wrote:
>
> (Martin McPhillips) wrote:
>
>
> It looks like Parson is right after all.
Damn, you let the cat out of the bag. Ah well, I predict that Martin will
start frantically wiggling on his pitchfork, trying to spin a way out of
his lies. You'll see a load of rationalizations, excuses, and oh yes, a
the usual accusations.
Naturally, I expect Martin, who immediately takes hearsay as evidence of
Clinton's dalliances, will go into denial overdrive when presented with
first-hand testimony about Reagan's behavior.
Pat
Martin McPhillips
On 22 May 1997 13:23:53 GMT, jaku...@aol.com (JAKundera) wrote:
>(Martin McPhillips) wrote:
>
>>this is Pat lying...
>
><<Let's see, Ronald Reagan knocked up his bimbo, *then*
> abandoned his family to marry her.>> Pat Parson 3/16/97
>
>>*and* Pat lying...
>
><<A recent biography of Reagan had associates mentioning
>affairs after he married his current wife.>>
>
>
>Here are some quotes from named sources. They come from the 1991
>biography of Nancy Reagan by author Kitty Kelley.
Well, they are very nice quotes (and I've left them intact),
but none of them address the first of the two lies by Pat
Parson, above. The second lie, which I routinely publish
with a footnote inviting Pat to remove it from the list at any time
by citing the "recent biography" where "Reagan associates"
suggest that Reagan had extra-marital affairs during his
marriage to Nancy Reagan, is not clarified by the suggestion
below that he was with another woman when Nancy gave birth
to Patti Reagan or by the suggestion that he had a "dalliance"
in 1968. Who made those claims?
And if shown in their context from Kitty Kelly's book (she also
reported that sources had suggested to her that Nancy
Reagan had an affair with Frank Sinatra in the White House),
is it suggested that "Reagan *associates*"---i.e. people
close enough to Reagan to know---told her these stories?
And if they did tell these stories, then does the fact that he was
with this another woman when Nancy gave birth mean he was
having an affair with her? Or were they working at the same
movie studio? Or just friends? (She is described as a *former*
flame. If she is former, what are the implications of that word,
in your mind?)
>This one concerns one of the women Ronald Reagan dated after his divorce
>from Jane Wyman.
>
>Jacqueline Park a Warner Bros. actress 'was humiliated by her affair
>with him (Ronald Reagan). Thirty-nine years later, she said, 'It's
>something I'd truly
>like to forget (p. 87)
Yeah? And so she was dating a divorced man and it didn't
work out for them. No pregnant bimbo. Reagan, you see,
did not "abandon" his family as Pat states in Lie #1, above.
He was divorced *by* Jane Wyman, which left him distraught
because he continued to love her and continued to believe,
even after the divorce, that they would get back together. So
the "facts" of Pat's Lie #1 are not only incorrect, they are at
total variance with the essence of the situation.
Brief dalliance with whom? According to whom? In 1968?
That was the year that Reagan was making his first run
at the Presidency. He was also Governor of California.
Funny how as things get closer to us in time, and Reagan
is more of an established political figure, the contentions
of Ms. Kelly get fuzzier.
>------------------------------
>
>It looks like Parsons is right after all.
Well, as to Lie #1, she is most certainly *not* right.
As to Lie #2, I suggest that you get in touch with Parsons [sic],
and offer her these quotes and see if she wants to bring them
forward together with some illuminating context from the book
as evidence that this lie (below) can and should be expunged
from the record---
<<A recent biography of Reagan had associates mentioning
affairs after he married his current wife.>> [1] (see footnote)
[1] This is a pending lie. Pat can have it removed
from her list of lies by producing the title and author
of the "recent biography." Expectations are not high
that she will do so. About a dozen requests for same
have gone unanswered.
Martin McPhillips
>ppar...@swbell.net wrote:
>
> JAKundera wrote:
> >
> > (Martin McPhillips) wrote:
> >
> >about Reagan's sexual exploits snipped)
> >
> > It looks like Parson is right after all.
>
> Damn, you let the cat out of the bag.
Kundera couldn't do that, Pat, because there was no
cat in the bag *to* let out. As to your Lie #1, below,
nothing was quoted that makes that suddenly true.
As to your Lie #2, are you saying that the Kitty Kelly
bio of Nancy Reagan is the "recent biography" that you
were citing? And that you believe that Kundera has
provided quotes from that biography--one mention of
a vague meeting with a "former flame" while Nancy
was birthing Patti (no mention of an affair) and
another casual mention of a "dalliance" in 1968--that
back-up your contention that Reagan "associates"
mentioned affairs during his marriage to Nancy? In other
words, are you stating that the Kelly biography
is indeed the "recent biography" to which you
made reference? And that these vague references
are what led to your Lie #2?
this is Pat'a Lie #1...
<<Let's see, Ronald Reagan knocked up his bimbo, *then*
abandoned his family to marry her.>> Pat Parson 3/16/97
*and* Pat's Lie #2...
Martin McPhillips
Let's try it again, Pat. All you have to do is
answer the question. Is the Kitty Kelly biography
of Nancy Reagan the "recent biography" that you
cited as a source for Ronald Reagan having
an extra-marital affairs while married to Nancy?
You've only been asked the question a few dozen
times now. Do you wish to answer or not?
JAKundera
cay...@nyct.net (Martin McPhillips) wrote:
>Let's try it again, Pat. All you have to do is
>answer the question. Is the Kitty Kelly biography
>of Nancy Reagan the "recent biography" that you
>cited as a source for Ronald Reagan having
>an extra-marital affairs while married to Nancy?
Kelly's book documents that Ronnie was bonking other women during his
marriage to Nancy. What more do you want hypocrite?
>You've only been asked the question a few dozen
>times now. Do you wish to answer or not?
When are you going to acknowledge all of the evidence that I have amassed
that you are a hypocrite you hypocrite?
>this is Pat'a Lie #1...
this is Martin being the net's #1 hypocrite...
cay...@nyct.net (Martin McPhillips) wrote:
>>(Martin McPhillips) wrote:
>
>>>this is Pat lying...
>>
>><<Let's see, Ronald Reagan knocked up his bimbo, *then*
>> abandoned his family to marry her.>> Pat Parson 3/16/97
>>
>>>*and* Pat lying...
>>
>><<A recent biography of Reagan had associates mentioning
>>affairs after he married his current wife.>>
>>
>>
>>Here are some quotes from named sources. They come
>>from the 1991 biography of Nancy Reagan by author Kitty
>>Kelley.
>
>Well, they are very nice quotes (and I've left them intact),
>but none of them address the first of the two lies by Pat
>Parson, above. The second lie, which I routinely publish
>with a footnote inviting Pat to remove from the list at any time
>by citing the "recent biography" where "Reagan associates"
>suggest that Reagan had extra-marital affairs during his
>marriage to Nancy Reagan, is not clarified by the suggestion
>below that he was with another woman when Nancy gave birth
>to Patti Reagan or by the suggestion that he had a "dalliance"
>in 1968. Who made those claims?
Kelly uses many named sources in her book. The woman
Ronald Reagan raped, Selene Walters, talked to Kelly on the
record. Jacqueline Park, the woman that Reagan got pregnant
and then abondoned to a back ally abortion also spoke to Kelly
as a named sources. Kelly's book is amply researched.
Compare her to Gary Aldrich (who has now been completely
discredited) and his book. How many named sources did
Aldrich use in his book? Having trouble thinking of any? Don't
include that other rightwing nut David Brock on your list. Brock
unmasked Aldrich as a fraud last year. McP, did you give
Aldrich's book of fifth hand gossip any credence last year? If
you did you better look in the mirror. You have the word
"HYPOCRITE" written all over you face.
>And if shown in their context from Kitty Kelly's book (she also
>reported that sources had suggested to her that Nancy
>Reagan had an affair with Frank Sinatra in the White House),
>is it suggested that "Reagan *associates*"---i.e. people
>close enough to Reagan to know---told her these stories?
>
>And if they did tell these stories, then does the fact that he was
>with this other woman when Nancy gave birth mean he was
>having an affair with her? Or were they working at the same
>movie studio? Or just friends?
What do you think, Ronnie was at Christine Larson apartment
having "milk and cookies" while Nancy was giving birth to their
love child? McP you are a riot! Why was Ronnie at Christine
Lawson's while Nancy was in labor. Ronnie proved himself to
be the worlds biggest Wienie crying in Christine Larson's lap "in
tears" moaning about how "he felt his life was
ruined."
>(She is described as a *former* flame. If she is former, what
>are the implications of that word, in your mind?)
The implication is that he was in his "former" girlfriend's bed
while Nancy was giving birth to their love child. Why was he
crying at an old girlfriend's place while Nancy was giving birth to
the child they conceived out of wedlock? Explain that McP.
>>This one concerns one of the women Ronald Reagan dated
>>after his divorce from Jane Wyman.
>>
>>Jacqueline Park a Warner Bros. actress 'was humiliated by
>>her affair with him (Ronald Reagan). Thirty-nine years later,
>>she said, 'It's something I'd truly like to forget (p. 87)
Kelly reports that Ronnie was at a party in 1968 attended by
mostly older men and younger women. Many witnessed Reagan
going into one of the bedrooms with a woman half his age at this
party. These witnesses did not want Kelly to identify them.
It is laughable that you question Kelly's use of unidentified
sources while you accept fifth hand gossip from the likes of Gary
Aldrich as the complete gospel. McP, it seems that you are
another rightwing hypocrite.
pad...@westnet.com
jaku...@aol.com (JAKundera) wrote:
>(Martin McPhillips) wrote:
>>this is Pat lying...
><<Let's see, Ronald Reagan knocked up his bimbo, *then*
> abandoned his family to marry her.>> Pat Parson 3/16/97
>>*and* Pat lying...
><<A recent biography of Reagan had associates mentioning
>affairs after he married his current wife.>>
>Here are some quotes from named sources. They come from the 1991
>biography of Nancy Reagan by author Kitty Kelley.
>This one concerns one of the women Ronald Reagan dated after his divorce
>from Jane Wyman.
>About a year later,
>Later on,
>------------------------------
>It looks like Parson is right after all.
Good Post - And thanks - I hated to see all those nuts piling on
P. Besides, on other points, P is right, too.
ppar...@swbell.net
pad...@westnet.com wrote:
> >It looks like Parson is right after all.
>
> Good Post - And thanks - I hated to see all those nuts piling on
> P. Besides, on other points, P is right, too.
Thanks for the concern, but the nature of the NG forces them to face me
alone. They don't have much but the force of their arguments, in any
case. And, as JQ Public admitted, I'm very good at it.
Pat
j...@globaldialog.com
Yes, very good. A Clinton propagandist's job, well done.
Martin McPhillips
On Fri, 23 May 1997 19:30:21 GMT, pad...@westnet.com wrote:
>
>Good Post - And thanks - I hated to see all those nuts piling on
>P. Besides, on other points, P is right, too.
The only possibility "P" has of having one of her lies
recalled is with the second one on the list below, the
one with the footnote, which footnote states that "P" can
have that lie's status changed when *she*---not one of her
surrogates---but when *she* states the name and title
of the "recent biography" she is citing.
this is Pat lying...
<<Let's see, Ronald Reagan knocked up his bimbo, *then*
abandoned his family to marry her.>> Pat Parson 3/16/97
*and* Pat lying...
<<A recent biography of Reagan had associates mentioning
affairs after he married his current wife.>>[1] (see footnote)
*and* Pat lying...
<<If you'll bother to check out the facts, you'll find
that the American domination in science and technology
*began* [emphasis added] with the land grant universities.>>
and *this* is Pat lying...
<<No, Burton got an illegal contribution from the Bhutto
governement for pursuing Pakistan's foreign policy
in Congress.>> Pat Parson 3/20/97
and *then* there is Pat lying...
<<No. There is such a thing as truthful slander.... The
law does permit one to sue for slander if a true accusation can
is made with intent to harm.>>
and, of course, there's Pat *lying*...
<<Know why poor people are fat? Turns out that in this
country, high-fat, low nutrient foods are CHEAP. Nutritious
food is more expensive. So, poor people buy lots of junk
calories to get enough vitamins, etc.>>
and, what else, *Pat* lying...
<<[Bill] Bennett, as you might know, was aa vigourous defender
of the criminals in the Nixon, Reagan and Bush administrations,
and sought to keep them from justice.>>
and, there's some lying, *by* Pat...
<<Well, since the independent counsel the ethics committee
hired called for a Justice Department investigation of the
Newter, your confidence may be just a bit premature.>>
and this is Pat's mind *on* lies...
<<... but it's clear that the [Christian Coalition] ideology
permits a rather flexible morality when it comes to sex with
children.-- Pat>>
Pat Parson: Bigot, Liar, Clinton Shill, and she hopes
to "teach."
Martin McPhillips
On Fri, 23 May 1997 21:17:51 -0700, "ppar...@swbell.net" <ppar...@swbell.net>
wrote:
>pad...@westnet.com wrote:
>
>> Good Post - And thanks - I hated to see all those nuts piling on
>> P. Besides, on other points, P is right, too.
>
>Thanks for the concern, but the nature of the NG forces them to face me
>alone. They don't have much but the force of their arguments, in any
>case. And, as JQ Public admitted, I'm very good at it.
Good? At lying? I think JQP was just being nice, Pat.
You're a rotten liar. Just like the President and his
Lovely Wife.
JAKundera
From: cay...@nyct.net (Martin McPhillips)
(snip)
>this is Pat lying...
this is Martin being the Internet's biggest hypocrite...
cay...@nyct.net (Martin McPhillips) wrote:
>>(Martin McPhillips) wrote:
>
>>>this is Pat lying...
>>
>><<Let's see, Ronald Reagan knocked up his bimbo, *then*
>> abandoned his family to marry her.>> Pat Parson 3/16/97
>>
>>>*and* Pat lying...
>>
>><<A recent biography of Reagan had associates mentioning
>>affairs after he married his current wife.>>
>>
>>
>>Here are some quotes from named sources. They come
>>from the 1991 biography of Nancy Reagan by author Kitty
>>Kelley.
>
John Logajan
JAKundera <jaku...@aol.com> wrote:
> Kelly uses many named sources in her book. The woman
> Ronald Reagan raped, Selene Walters, talked to Kelly on the
> record.
Ronald Reagan was a space alien. Honest. I read it in a book.
They were on the record and everything. Each letter in the
book was known to exist in the English alphabet.
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ppar...@swbell.net
Martin McPhillips wrote:
>
> On Fri, 23 May 1997 21:17:51 -0700, "ppar...@swbell.net" <ppar...@swbell.net>
> wrote:
>
> >pad...@westnet.com wrote:
> >
> >> Good Post - And thanks - I hated to see all those nuts piling on
> >> P. Besides, on other points, P is right, too.
> >
> >Thanks for the concern, but the nature of the NG forces them to face me
> >alone. They don't have much but the force of their arguments, in any
> >case. And, as JQ Public admitted, I'm very good at it.
>
> Good? At lying? I think JQP was just being nice, Pat.
>
> You're a rotten liar. Just like the President and his
> Lovely Wife.
>
Funny, not long ago, you remarked that Bill and Hillary were very
good liars. One of the problems with making up the "truth", Martin,
is you need to remember what you claimed it was before.
You should consider honesty, or maybe improve your memory, if honesty
is that repugnant to you.
Pat
JAKundera
From: cay...@nyct.net (Martin McPhillips)
Kelly uses many named sources in her book. The woman
Ronald Reagan raped, Selene Walters, talked to Kelly on the
ppar...@swbell.net
j...@globaldialog.com wrote:
>
> ppar...@swbell.net wrote:
> >
> > pad...@westnet.com wrote:
> >
> > > >It looks like Parson is right after all.
> > >
> > > P. Besides, on other points, P is right, too.
> >
> > Thanks for the concern, but the nature of the NG forces them to face me
> > alone. They don't have much but the force of their arguments, in any
> > case. And, as JQ Public admitted, I'm very good at it.
> >
>
> Yes, very good. A Clinton propagandist's job, well done.
Your professional jealousy is misplaced. I'm just having a little fun with
you clowns.
Pat
ppar...@swbell.net
Martin McPhillips wrote:
>
> On Sat, 24 May 1997 15:00:58 -0700, "ppar...@swbell.net" <ppar...@swbell.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Martin McPhillips wrote:
> >>
> >> Good? At lying? I think JQP was just being nice, Pat.
> >>
> >> You're a rotten liar. Just like the President and his
> >> Lovely Wife.
> >>
> >
> >Funny, not long ago, you remarked that Bill and Hillary were very
> >good liars. One of the problems with making up the "truth", Martin,
> >is you need to remember what you claimed it was before.
>
> And you're a rotten liar. And they are just rotten. Finally, you've
> dragged the truth out of me.
That's probably hoping for too much. But you might try to be consistant
when you lie.
> >You should consider honesty, or maybe improve your memory, if honesty
> >is that repugnant to you.
>
> Well, I've tried to be very faithful to you in my assessment of your essence.
I prefer that to you mocking Jon Benet Ramsey, or fantasizing about kiddie porn.
Thanks.
Pat
Martin McPhillips
On Sat, 24 May 1997 14:58:25 -0700, "ppar...@swbell.net" <ppar...@swbell.net>
wrote:
>j...@globaldialog.com wrote:
>>
>>
>> Yes, very good. A Clinton propagandist's job, well done.
>
>Your professional jealousy is misplaced. I'm just having a little fun with
>you clowns.
Having fun defending the Clinton Crime Family? Having fun
desperately swirling down into a maelstrom of self-ruination,
as you plunge further into Hansonic dissonance?
My goodness, Pat, if that's fun, remind me not to accept
any invitations to barbeques on your deck---
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PAT PARSON III--A plump and
dissolute hairless garden mole,
wearing a white terrycloth robe and
rhinestone studded sunglasses, sits
in a folding chair on a redwood
deck washing down Ritz crackers and
tripe paste with delicious arsenic-
laced Cherry Kool-Aid, while racing
through a pack of Newports as it
flashes its big FDR grin along with
the Victory Sign to frightened
neighbors unloading groceries in a
nearby driveway.
PAUL BEGALA--A yapping Pomeranian,
catheterized and doused with amyl-
nitrate for public appearances,
eats his kibble dry in protest of
his Master's treatment by the
press.
Martin McPhillips
>Martin McPhillips wrote:
>>
>> Good? At lying? I think JQP was just being nice, Pat.
>>
>> You're a rotten liar. Just like the President and his
>> Lovely Wife.
>>
>
>Funny, not long ago, you remarked that Bill and Hillary were very
>good liars. One of the problems with making up the "truth", Martin,
>is you need to remember what you claimed it was before.
O.K., Pat, you've nailed me. Bill and Hillary are very good liars.
And you're a rotten liar. And they are just rotten. Finally, you've
dragged the truth out of me.
>You should consider honesty, or maybe improve your memory, if honesty
>is that repugnant to you.
Well, I've tried to be very faithful to you in my assessment of your essence.
NEW IMPRESSIONS OF USENET