If the Nazi's used Clinton's defense --
mary anne klein
After all, for centuries and centuries, people had been getting away
with genocide, the last before WWII occuring in 1915 in Turkey with the
torture and slaughter of 1.5 million or more Armenians. No Turks were
brought to trial for this Armenian Genocide, so why did we prosecute the
Nazis? Isn't this the same defense the Clintonista's are using --- JFK,
Roosevelt, Bush, et al, had sex in the White House, so why hound
Clinton? Why try anyone for anything if others before him have done it
without penalty?
MaryaM5111
The logic doesn't apply to the " Chosen People - Jews"
However if I were Chosen given what God Has done through the centuries - I'd
un-choose myself and convert to the Un-chosen ones - they don't get gassed.
neverag...@yahoo.com
marya...@aol.com (MaryaM5111) wrote:
> >>>>>>>After all, for centuries and centuries, people had been getting away
> with genocide, the last before WWII occuring in 1915 in Turkey with the
> torture and slaughter of 1.5 million or more Armenians. No Turks were
> brought to trial for this Armenian Genocide, so why did we prosecute the
The Turkish leaders of the progress and union (the ittihad ve terraki) which
orchestrated the genocide were sentence to death by the turkish court martials
in 1919, but an over throw of the government by the turkish nationalists
(the nationalists were supporters of the progress and union party) undermined
the bringing of justice.
> Nazis? Isn't this the same defense the Clintonista's are using --- JFK,
> Roosevelt, Bush, et al, had sex in the White House, so why hound
> Clinton? Why try anyone for anything if others before him have done it
> without penalty? >>>>
>
> The logic doesn't apply to the " Chosen People - Jews"
>
> However if I were Chosen given what God Has done through the centuries - I'd
> un-choose myself and convert to the Un-chosen ones - they don't get gassed.
>
>
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Wasn't it because 6 ,000,000(not 1.5 million-6,000,000) Jews
were tortured, gassed, burned alive, had horrible medical experiments
performed on them(usually with no antisthetic), were forced to dig their
own graves and then
shot in the back, were thrown into huge pools of human excrement and
drowned, were worked to death with little food or water, were shipped to
concentration camps tighly packed in box cars in which many of them died
and don't EVER forget that among those 6,000,000 Jews were 1.2 million
children under the age of 12. One particularly monster of a nazi doctor
specialized in performing sex-change operations on fraternal twin
children. They always died and the suffering, screaming and pitiful
cries for their mommy must have been appaling.
Do not Ever compare the Nazi atrocities ith any other event in history.
For sheer horror nothing comes close. Absolutely nothing.
That's alllll!!!!!
William Boquist
(snip)
> Do not Ever compare the Nazi atrocities ith any other event in history.
> For sheer horror nothing comes close. Absolutely nothing.
>
You might want to get a body count for Joe Stalin and his minions
before you trumpet this line of thinking to the world. I think it
"comes close" in a lot of ways. In fact, what he did to his own
military weakened it greatly, thus prolonging the process of routing
the Germans. How many Nazi atrocities might have been prevented if they
had been defeated a year sooner?
Richard Miller
David (Dragon) Fiedler
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>On Sun, 30 Aug 1998 00:20:35 GMT cay...@nyct.net (Martin McPhillips)
>wrote:
>>On Sat, 29 Aug 1998 15:54:39 -0700 (PDT), mai...@webtv.net wrote:
>>
>>>Do not Ever compare the Nazi atrocities ith any other event in history.
>>>For sheer horror nothing comes close. Absolutely nothing.
>>
>
>Modern Germany does not kill people because they are jews.
>Modern Russia does not starve kulacks because they resist
>collectivization.
>Modern America does not permit slavery.
>
>Your point?
You forget that 60 years ago, the concept of what was really going on in
Nazi Germany was unthinkable because Germany was thought to be one of the
intellectual and moral leaders of the world.
And you forget the genocides/ethnic cleansings/whatever PC term they use
this week that have occurred in Europe and Africa in the last few years.
I don't. And the proper saying, in case you never heard it, is Never Again.
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>
>Do not Ever compare the Nazi atrocities ith any other event in history.
>For sheer horror nothing comes close. Absolutely nothing.
You're not terribly familiar with the history of the Soviet Union are you?
Almost a decade before Hitler began to kill Jews, Stalin used a
"terror famine" to kill an estimated ten million peasant farmers
in the Ukraine. Grain was harvested and taken away or burnt
in the fields. Food stores were forcibly removed from homes.
No one was permitted to leave their region. They resorted to eating
anything they could, the bark off of trees, and finally each other.
See: Robert Conquest, The Harvest of Sorrow, Oxford University
Press.
ellensmith
wrote:
>On Sun, 30 Aug 1998 00:20:35 GMT cay...@nyct.net (Martin McPhillips)
>wrote:
>>On Sat, 29 Aug 1998 15:54:39 -0700 (PDT), mai...@webtv.net wrote:
>>
>>>Do not Ever compare the Nazi atrocities ith any other event in history.
>>>For sheer horror nothing comes close. Absolutely nothing.
>>
>>You're not terribly familiar with the history of the Soviet Union are you?
>
>Modern Germany does not kill people because they are jews.
>Modern Russia does not starve kulacks because they resist
>collectivization.
>Modern America does not permit slavery.
>
>Your point?
Well I'm just gonna blow my cork!!!
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mary anne klein
Nazi horrors were Jews -- they were inflicted on non-Aryans, too, such
as Poles, Greeks, Hungarians, etc. Also, since the details of the
Armenian Genocide have been suppressed for decades, not many people know
what happened unless you make a serious effort to find out. Some even
believe that the Germans prodded the Turks into the Armenian Genocide to
see if it could be done -- the systematic killing of a whole segment of
the population with no interference from the outside.
An interesting note to all who believe in gun control -- the FIRST thing
the Turks did was to confiscate the guns of the Armenians. The Turk
police went from Armenian household to household demanding all of the
guns. Those that didn't own guns went and got some from neighbors
because if you didn't give up a gun, you were beaten. Then, the young
men were rounded up and told that they were going be conscripted into
the Turkish army. They were taken out and shot. Then, it was simply
a matter of gathering up the helpless women, children and old people and
sending them on death marches through the desert with no food nor water
-- everything they owned, including the clothes they were wearing, was
taken from them. But remember, they first gave up their guns.
Billy Beck
mai...@webtv.net wrote:
>Do not Ever compare the Nazi atrocities ith any other event in history.
The only man in the world who Hitler actually admired was Josef
Stalin. (It was mutual, BTW.)
See Conquest & Bullock and figure it out.
Billy
VRWC fronteer
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Míké^%Schnęîder
>mai...@webtv.net wrote:
>
>>Do not Ever compare the Nazi atrocities ith any other event in history.
>
> The only man in the world who Hitler actually admired was Josef
>Stalin. (It was mutual, BTW.)
>
> See Conquest & Bullock and figure it out.
>
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is, above all, genuine, revolutionary feeling, which is alive everywhere in
Russia except where there are Jewish Marxists. I have always made allowance for
this circumstance, and given orders that former Communists are to be admitted
to the party at once. The petit bourgeois Social-Democrat and the trade-union
boss will never make a National Socialist, but the Communists always will."
- Adolf Hitler, quoted in Hermann Rauschning, Hitler Speaks
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mai...@webtv.net
horrible as the nazi atrocities against the Jews.
And do I detect a bit of Jew hating in your discussions of
Turks/Armenians , J Stalin, and the ongoing horrors in some countries
today? Like you are trying to convince me that the slaughter of
6,000,000 Jews was unimportant compared to the REAL atrocities that have
been and are being committed. Hating certain groups of people i.e Jews,
homosexuals(or as you love calling them on this NG faggots), Religious
people and persons with differing views than yours seems to be a
trademark of most liberals.
I do not know what the hell this has to do with Clinton it's just that
someone posted something that asked if we punished the nazis why did we
not punish the Turks.
And it pissed me off.
That's alllll!!!!!
mary anne klein
wasn't mine. I have never referred to a homosexual as a faggot on this
newsgroup, nor did I refer to Stalin. I only referred to the Turks and
Armenians. I think you are getting posters mixed up and running
several posts all together in your mind. You were the one who stated
that no other group in history had suffered the way Jews did in WWII ---
I merely stated that the Nazis went after all non-Aryans, not only Jews.
Also, I have stated for all to see in this ng that I believe
homosexuals should have the right to marry and accept the legal burdens
and benefits of such a union. Anti-Semitic? Anti-Gay? Not me --