Was Sandy Hume really a suicide??
David Goldman
Does anyone have any detailed info on the circumstances of Sandy
Hume's death? We are wondering........
dingicat
Why not keep yourself busy watching for news reports, when
you find, come back and post. Getting anxious to put another
conspiracy theory on the books?
David Goldman <da...@erols.com> wrote in article
<34f41609...@news.erols.com>...
Nongr
>Does anyone have any detailed info on the circumstances of Sandy
>Hume's death? We are wondering........
>
>
Michael Rivero
In article <01bd41f8$ddc03ce0$0b77...@katzen.erinet.com>,
dingicat <ding...@erinet.com> wrote:
>Why not keep yourself busy watching for news reports, when
>you find, come back and post. Getting anxious to put another
>conspiracy theory on the books?
>
Well, let's face it, on sheer numbers alone, the odds are against
any given "suicide" being what it at first appears to be when it involves
anyone inside the beltway.
Let's face it, the complete lack of any details is one clue that a cover up
is in place. Never have I seen a news report so totally devoid of
any news. "He's dead, it looks like suicide". Was he shot (most likely),
hung, did he walk in to a Hell's Angels bar and shout,"All you pussy bikers
suck!"? Someone clearly is worried about examination of facts.
Hume was a young healthy man, just three weeks into a job that represented
the pinnacle of his career, and dies just as word surfaces that "a reporter"
was about to confirm the hiring of PIs to dig up dirt on Clinton
opponents.
Yeah, this one's shaping up to go on the dead bodies list.
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M Soja
On 25 Feb 1998 21:00:25 -0800, riv...@accessone.com (Michael Rivero)
posted:
> Let's face it, the complete lack of any details is one clue that a cover up
>is in place. Never have I seen a news report so totally devoid of
>any news. "He's dead, it looks like suicide". Was he shot (most likely),
>hung, did he walk in to a Hell's Angels bar and shout,"All you pussy bikers
>suck!"? Someone clearly is worried about examination of facts.
You worry me, Rivero, that you're always the first one expanding these
stories, but I've waited a good day and a half and haven't heard
anything else, so I have to start wondering.
My secondary reaction is that it is a message to his father and
everybody else that might be trying to earn their Woodward and
Bernstein badges.
...
Hume is not Wise. Something will come of this one.
guru
Only thing that I heard was this: Evidently he ( Hume ) originally
broke the story about the coup ( Gingrich - Armey - etc ) Not another
word have we heard.
ding...@erinet.com
How about a little respect for Brit Hume, if no other reason?
Why not wait for a few details, then if you don't like it,
start investigating.
Not every DC death is a suicide--
Michael Rivero wrote:
>
> In article <01bd41f8$ddc03ce0$0b77...@katzen.erinet.com>,
> dingicat <ding...@erinet.com> wrote:
> >Why not keep yourself busy watching for news reports, when
> >you find, come back and post. Getting anxious to put another
> >conspiracy theory on the books?
> >
>
> Well, let's face it, on sheer numbers alone, the odds are against
> any given "suicide" being what it at first appears to be when it involves
> anyone inside the beltway.
>
> Let's face it, the complete lack of any details is one clue that a cover up
> is in place. Never have I seen a news report so totally devoid of
> any news. "He's dead, it looks like suicide". Was he shot (most likely),
> hung, did he walk in to a Hell's Angels bar and shout,"All you pussy bikers
> suck!"? Someone clearly is worried about examination of facts.
>
guru
the fact that Brit is his father - beats me. ????????? I think that
I heard - another son of Brit's .. committed suicide as well. Cant
be sure. The kid is young bright in good health and on his way up ???
S U I C I D E ??????????
David Goldman
>How about a little respect for Brit Hume, if no other reason?
>Why not wait for a few details, then if you don't like it,
>start investigating.
>Not every DC death is a suicide--
Why are there so many suicides associated these days? Must the news
media close their eyes and mouth? Why are they?
dingicat
I didnt' write that to you--why in hell can't you indicate who
wrote what?
Answer your own questions. And I still say you should read
Martin's post of 10-6-96.
Seems you're too busy posting new questions to look up
answers for the old ones.
David Goldman <da...@erols.com> wrote in article
<34f5ea29...@news.erols.com>...
Max
On Thu, 26 Feb 1998 05:28:14 GMT, ms...@javanet.com (M Soja) wrote:
>On 25 Feb 1998 21:00:25 -0800, riv...@accessone.com (Michael Rivero)
>posted:
>
>> Let's face it, the complete lack of any details is one clue that a cover up
>>is in place. Never have I seen a news report so totally devoid of
>>any news. "He's dead, it looks like suicide". Was he shot (most likely),
>>hung, did he walk in to a Hell's Angels bar and shout,"All you pussy bikers
>>suck!"? Someone clearly is worried about examination of facts.
>
>You worry me, Rivero, that you're always the first one expanding these
>stories, but I've waited a good day and a half and haven't heard
>anything else, so I have to start wondering.
>
>My secondary reaction is that it is a message to his father and
>everybody else that might be trying to earn their Woodward and
>Bernstein badges.
>
Nobody is more cynical than I (well hardly anybody), but I seriously
doubt that the bad guys will go so far as having a "mainstream"
journalist "Fosterized". Just as the Mafia won't whack out cops or
public officials (honest ones anyway), there is still a line that the
"dark ones" of politics won't cross because it's too risky. At least
I think so -- unless things have really gotten bizarre.
Max Kennedy
On Thu, 26 Feb 1998 05:28:14 GMT, ms...@javanet.com (M Soja) wrote:
>You worry me, Rivero, that you're always the first one expanding these
>stories,
This doesn't seem very fair.
>but I've waited a good day and a half and haven't heard anything else, so I have to start wondering.
You never will. Other deaths have occured with more apparent significance, and
nothing else is reported about them either.
Max Kennedy
/---------
People shouldn't expect the mass media to do investigative stories.
That job belongs to the 'fringe' media. -- Ted Koppel
http://www.iglou.com/homepages/mkennedy/press.html
/----------
Ron's dead. They can't indict him.
Nola Hill on Ron Brown
/----------
http://www.iglou.com/homepages/mkennedy/twa2.html
Chris49519
The dark forces wouldn't be so brazen as to kill a mainstream reporter? Well,
they were brazen enough to kill a Whitehouse intern last summer-- the lesbian
Starbuck's manger Caitlen Mahoney. I wonder if the right wing conspiracy will
use this "lesbiancide" to galvanize the nation's dikes against the Clintons in
the same way they whipped a frenzy among black Americans over the apparent
murder of Ron Brown. Or will the "Ellen" crowd stand blindly behind the most
powerful dike in the history of America--> Hillary Clinton.
As part of this right wing conspiracy, maybe I should organize a rally for the
murdered intern with the lesbian motorcycle gang--> "Dikes on Bikes." This
rough riding crowd could certainly stir up some trouble.
M Soja
On Fri, 27 Feb 1998 01:57:24 GMT, mken...@iglou.com (Max Kennedy)
posted:
>On Thu, 26 Feb 1998 05:28:14 GMT, ms...@javanet.com (M Soja) wrote:
>>You worry me, Rivero, that you're always the first one expanding these
>>stories,
>This doesn't seem very fair.
Well, I meant to have my tongue embedded somewhere close to my cheek,
but perhaps it didn't come across that way. However, I also hope that
there is at least some small grain of truth to everything I say or
write.
>>but I've waited a good day and a half and haven't heard anything else, so
>You never will. Other deaths have occured with more apparent significance, and
>nothing else is reported about them either.
Yes, very disturbing. "Suicide" is a funny critter. People don't
like to talk about it, so if the label can be applied quickly enough,
the situation acquires a certain dullness, and then invisibility.
Still, if Hume was respected by his peers, his particular peers would
be the natural ones to at least offer a plausible explanation with
background included.
A little longer.
Michael Rivero
In article <1998022623...@basement.replay.com>,
Max <mad...@thunder.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 26 Feb 1998 05:28:14 GMT, ms...@javanet.com (M Soja) wrote:
>
>>posted:
>>
>>> Let's face it, the complete lack of any details is one clue that a cover up
>>>is in place. Never have I seen a news report so totally devoid of
>>>any news. "He's dead, it looks like suicide". Was he shot (most likely),
>>>hung, did he walk in to a Hell's Angels bar and shout,"All you pussy bikers
>>>suck!"? Someone clearly is worried about examination of facts.
>>
>>anything else, so I have to start wondering.
>>
>>everybody else that might be trying to earn their Woodward and
>>Bernstein badges.
>>
>Nobody is more cynical than I (well hardly anybody), but I seriously
>doubt that the bad guys will go so far as having a "mainstream"
>journalist "Fosterized". Just as the Mafia won't whack out cops or
>public officials (honest ones anyway), there is still a line that the
>"dark ones" of politics won't cross because it's too risky. At least
>I think so -- unless things have really gotten bizarre.
>
The Mafia also had a rule that you don't piss off the prosecutor;
a rule Clinton has already broken.
Things are already bizarre. 2/3 of all Americans, 170 million strong,
are aware that there has been a cover up in the death of Vincent Foster
and as each day goes by and those 170 million people think about it,
the second wound to the neck, the manufacturing of Lisa Foster's
testimony, and the blood forensics at the scene all argue against
a suicide anywhere and that leaves murder.
Those 170 million people are also smart enough to realize that
the list of those able to order the Park Police, the Fairfax County ME,
and the FBI to engage in a cover up is a damned short one!
Those 170 million people are also smart enough to understand that
Vincent Foster was last seen alive inside the White House.
So, the Clinton's are faced with far more than the embarassment of
a sexual tryst in the west wing. There is no statute of limitations
on murder and no successor will issue a pardon with 170 million
American voters aware of the crime.
It is not at all impossible, or even unlikely, that more people will
die before this affair is over. Mr. Hume is hardly the first reporter
to be "suicided" on the verge of a major expose. Danny Casolaro died
just as he was scheduled to deliver the final notes on an expose of
the Inslaw scandal. He was declared a suicide because BOTH wrists were slashed
several times, so deeply that the tendons to the hands were also cut
(and just think about that very carefully for a moment). Reporter
L.J. Davis, investigating Clinton in Little Rock, was attacked in his hotel
room but survived.
With regard to Mr. Hume, I am just following normal investigatory
procedure. Homocide is the presumption until suicide is proven, and as
the murder of Vince Foster shows, this is a most wise and prudent approach!
d. dias
It's very strange that there has been so little surface info re his
*suicide*, what is the medium he used, in what environment, etc. etc. I
tried a little search but could only find one very vague article.
Before more factual information are recovered, one has to seriously
doubt if this is a legi *suicide* or homicide.
Wilson
In article <34F5D4...@erinet.com>, dingicat wrote:
>How about a little respect for Brit Hume, if no other reason?
>
>Why not wait for a few details, then if you don't like it,
>start investigating.
>Not every DC death is a suicide--
How long should we wait?
The problem is the "details" never come.
Barbara Alice Wise
The" Starbucks" intern
Ron Brown
Kathleen Willey's dead husband
Betty Currie's late kin.
Lisa Foster's dead son.
And the others
How long should we wait?
Wilsn
ding...@erinet.com
Oh, I don't know, Wilson. But, I feel a little bereavement
time for Brit Hume and his family is in order.
There are people who live in DC who have personal problems
just as everywhere else in the country. There are too many
conspiracy theories, difficult to keep them straight.
Steven H. Findeiss
dingicat:
: > >How about a little respect for Brit Hume, if no other reason?
: > >Why not wait for a few details, then if you don't like it,
: > >start investigating.
Wilson:
: > How long should we wait?
: > The problem is the "details" never come.
Dingicat:
: I don't know, Wilson. But, I feel a little bereavement
: time for Brit Hume and his family is in order.
: There are people who live in DC who have personal problems
: just as everywhere else in the country.
It may be that Wilson is getting concerned prematurely; Sandy's death
may indeed be a suicide. So dingicat's point is well taken. But with
that said, consider this: How often, in a bona fide suicide, does the
mainstream paper that runs the lead story have *no* details as to the
actual means by which the deceased did himself in? If the cops refused
to give a reporter this info, would an honest reporter say, Hey, guess
I'll just have to forget about finding the cause, eh? No way.
Thus Wilson would seem to have a legitimate suspicion that *something*
is amiss here. And if so, better to cry foul early while there's more
interest in the story. After all, two weeks from now no one other than
the family and us members of the VRWC will remember anything about it.
--s
Wilson
In article <34F894...@erinet.com>, dingicat wrote:
>Wilson wrote:
>>
>> In article <34F5D4...@erinet.com>, dingicat wrote:
>> >
>> >Why not wait for a few details, then if you don't like it,
>> >start investigating.
>>
>>
>> The problem is the "details" never come.
>>
>> The" Starbucks" intern
>> Ron Brown
>> Kathleen Willey's dead husband
>> Betty Currie's late kin.
>> Lisa Foster's dead son.
>> And the others
>>
>>
>
>
>Oh, I don't know, Wilson. But, I feel a little bereavement
>time for Brit Hume and his family is in order.
>
>There are people who live in DC who have personal problems
>conspiracy theories, difficult to keep them straight.
Well dingi, I'll tell ya.
What I'm concerned about is that all the killings, beating, suicides and
drownings generally have one thing in common.
They all seem to help Bill Clinton in one way or another. These strange and
unlikely events seem only to happen to those who's knowlege could threaten his
agenda. Foster, Lisa Foster's son, Wise, Mahony, Brown, Mr. Willey, the
Currie family, the potential witnesses in Arkansas. And they seem to happen
not randomly but at critical junctures of the investigations.
Now I don't for a moment believe Bill and Hill go around killing people.
I'm a scientist at heart and what concerns me are the mathematical odds
against these unlikely events happening to people on only one side of the
equation. What concerns me further is the unusual way these tragedies are
investigated. The normal investigative, medical and reporting procedures seem
to fall apart. And even if no foul play can be proven, they still have the
same chilling effect on Clinton's enemies and potential witnesses, which can
be exploited by people like Carville who say that Starr is "a couple of
mistakes away from having no kneecaps".
People in my city get killed every day, even acquaintances, suicides take the
easy way out and people are hit by trucks, but the story always seems complete
with few loose ends.
What concerns me is the crowd the Clintons run with. The Livingstones and
Marceca's, the Leizners, the ex Arkansas cops on the payroll, and the
continuous parade of world class unsavoury characters we saw wandering
through the White House almost at will, bringing bags of money.
What concerns me is the level of venom they have directed at the Independent
Counsel and his staff, and any author or reporter who dares question the daily
spin from the White House, and the trashing of any witness who would testify
against them. The trashing of FBI agents and Secret Service agents who speak
up.
What concerns me is the public declaration of WAR by the President's agent
Carrville, and the warning from Stephonopolous that there are people around
Clinton who are prepared to take everyone down with them. He of all people
would know. The same people that got the FBI files on their opponents. High
stakes indeed.
The only defense against such conduct is to try to shine a bright light on
this stuff every chance we get. Keep it in front of an apathetic and
misinformed public That's what I intend to do.
If the Media were doing their job I would have folded my tent here a long time
ago. But they won't, so I will. I'm not paranoid but I have been threatened,
and have taken steps to make sure that certain files and tapes of telephone
calls are delivered to the right place automatically if an "accident" should
befall me.
Wilson
David Goldman
>Lisa Foster's dead son.
A little correction. Her stepson by Mr. Moody.
David Goldman
>Oh, I don't know, Wilson. But, I feel a little bereavement
>time for Brit Hume and his family is in order.
Since when does bereavement push off the press?????!!!!!
Did they do it for the Royal Family? You sound rather naive.
Max Kennedy
KILLFILED in only two messages. RECORD.
On Sun, 01 Mar 1998 05:43:56 GMT, dt...@alaska.net (D.T.) wrote:
>In article <34f8d...@oasis.idirect.com>, hee...@idirect.comNOSPAM
>(Wilson) wrote:
>
>> What I'm concerned about
>>
>> what concerns me
>> What concerns me
>> What concerns me
>> What concerns me
>> What concerns me
>> I'm not paranoid
>> I have been threatened,
>
>I think you're a woman, all this worrying you are doing.
>Tell you what, please provide us with your address and phone number so we
>can drop by and sooth your nerves a bit.
>
>We will dress as either 1)the UPS guy 2)the FedEx guy 3)Airborne 4)DHL
>5)US Post Office 6)Electric Company 7)Phone Company 8)FBI 9)City Police
>10)State Police 11)Pizza Hut 12)Dominoes 13)Billy Rays Pizza
>
>or probably the simplest thing to do is just dress as two big mental
>health orderlies carrying a straight-jacket just your size..
>
>But whatever you do, DON"T open the door if its a bunch of guys carrying
>balloons and a big sign that says "you've won $10 million dollars!" These
>guys are the bad guys...
>
>..remember the balloons, stay away from the balloons...
Wilson
In article <dtak-01039...@fbk-p4-131.alaska.net>, dt...@alaska.net (D.T.) wrote:
>In article <34f90327....@news.iglou.com>, mken...@iglou.com (Max
>Kennedy) wrote:
>
>> KILLFILED in only two messages. RECORD.
>
>
>how off the deep end you are. Anyone that disagrees with you on anything
>is to be written off as a moron, an idiot. Sounds like a childish
>response to me.
>
>But then the Kennedy's are famous for whining and crying like babies..
>
I usually give 'em 3 chances to get on topic before they are flushed.
That's two.
Wilson
Michael Rivero
In article <6da4t4$571$1...@ionews.ionet.net>,
Steven H. Findeiss <s...@ionet.net> wrote:
>dingicat:
>: > >How about a little respect for Brit Hume, if no other reason?
>: > >Why not wait for a few details, then if you don't like it,
>: > >start investigating.
>
>: > How long should we wait?
>: > The problem is the "details" never come.
>
>: I don't know, Wilson. But, I feel a little bereavement
>: time for Brit Hume and his family is in order.
>: just as everywhere else in the country.
>
>may indeed be a suicide. So dingicat's point is well taken. But with
>that said, consider this: How often, in a bona fide suicide, does the
>mainstream paper that runs the lead story have *no* details as to the
>actual means by which the deceased did himself in? If the cops refused
>to give a reporter this info, would an honest reporter say, Hey, guess
>I'll just have to forget about finding the cause, eh? No way.
>
>Thus Wilson would seem to have a legitimate suspicion that *something*
>is amiss here. And if so, better to cry foul early while there's more
>interest in the story.
It's not like there is no precident for a homocide disquised as a suicide
in the present circumstance. Indeed there are ample grounds to justify
igiving each new suicide the closest scrutiny. This is consistant with
normal police procedure which presumes a HOMOCIDE until suicide
is proven.
Sandy Hume was a man achieving great things in his career, and with
a reputation for getting the story that nobody wanted reported. That's
a bad combo in D.C.
Michael Rivero
In article <34f8c82a...@news.erols.com>,
David Goldman <da...@erols.com> wrote:
>>Oh, I don't know, Wilson. But, I feel a little bereavement
>>time for Brit Hume and his family is in order.
>
>Did they do it for the Royal Family? You sound rather naive.
Todd Marshall
There was a recent drug raid in Portland in which one cop was killed and
another seriously wounded. The suspect was wounded and taken to the County
jail medical facility and was recovering. The suspect committed suicide in
his room in the early morning. The media and talk shows were all over it.
Three law inforcement jurisdictions were immediately brought into the
investigation. The FBI was also brought in so no one could claim coverup.
What is it about the Arlington PD that differs from Portland when it comes
to politically sensitive suicides? Why no media and talk show reaction?
Rush Limbaugh has even mentioned it!
/Todd
Steven H. Findeiss wrote:
> dingicat:
> : > >How about a little respect for Brit Hume, if no other reason?
> : > >Why not wait for a few details, then if you don't like it,
> : > >start investigating.
>
> Wilson:
> : > How long should we wait?
> : > The problem is the "details" never come.
>
> Dingicat:
> : I don't know, Wilson. But, I feel a little bereavement
> : time for Brit Hume and his family is in order.
> : There are people who live in DC who have personal problems
> : just as everywhere else in the country.
>
> It may be that Wilson is getting concerned prematurely; Sandy's death
> may indeed be a suicide. So dingicat's point is well taken. But with
> that said, consider this: How often, in a bona fide suicide, does the
> mainstream paper that runs the lead story have *no* details as to the
> actual means by which the deceased did himself in? If the cops refused
> to give a reporter this info, would an honest reporter say, Hey, guess
> I'll just have to forget about finding the cause, eh? No way.
>
> Thus Wilson would seem to have a legitimate suspicion that *something*
> is amiss here. And if so, better to cry foul early while there's more
Todd Marshall
CORRECTION OF MY OWN TYPO!
Why no media and talk show reaction?
"Rush Limbaugh has even mentioned it!"
I Meant: Rush Limbaugh "hasn't" even mentioned it ... all I've heard him do is
pass condolences on to the family.
/T
dingicat
What about a "double standard", Mike?
Since your admirer was replying to my comment (to someone
else), I assume yours had to do with me.
You see a murder at every juncture, I got no problem with that,
but don't try to force it down my throat or criticize me, if I don't.
Michael Rivero <riv...@accessone.com> wrote in article
<6dd2qo$qhc$1...@blaze.accessone.com>...
> In article <34f8c82a...@news.erols.com>,
> David Goldman <da...@erols.com> wrote:
> >>Oh, I don't know, Wilson. But, I feel a little bereavement
> >>time for Brit Hume and his family is in order.
> >
David Martin
The alarm bells ought to be sounding all over the Net at this point.
j...@inxpress.net
David Martin wrote:
>
> Now I AM suspicious with someone like dingicat trying to play it down.
> The alarm bells ought to be sounding all over the Net at this point.
They are, bucko. They are.
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Dr. and Mrs. Mochtar Riady" -- caption describing the
Smithsonian's Hall of Presidents bust of William J. Clinton
"In a world of infinite possibilities, Lippo leaves nothing
to chance." http://www.lippo.co.id/Main.htm
Todd Marshall
Dejanews hasn't turned up many hits. This is really the only thread I've
found. I just started looking (out of curiosity) when I first heard the news
.... it's seemed to be unusually quiet to me. The vast left wing conspiracy
is quieter on offense and the vast right ring conspiracy is mute on defense.
/Todd
David Martin
JUST A REPORTER
Tony Snow had a eulogy to Sandy Hume entitled "Sharing the Grief of
Parents" in today's Washington Times. It begins like this:
There is nothing in the parent's manual to prepare you for this: Sandy
Hume, son of my friend and colleague Brit Hume, took his life last week.
Like most suicides, this one defies explanation.
Sandy gave off light. He was blessed with chiseled good looks, athletic
skill and a voracious curiosity about the world. He smiled easily and
contagiously. When he showed up, he didn't just put people at ease. He
made them happy.
At the age of 28, he had emerged from his famous father's shadow, and
established himself as one of Washington's most dogged and creative
reporters. He ran circles around veteran scribes by committing
old-fashioned journalism. He worked long hours, talked endlessly with
sources, listened carefully and knew how to seize upon the smallest
inconsistency or incongruity. He could tug at loose threads in such a
way as to unspool falsehood and reveal truth. (end of excerpt)
Hey, this sounds like the sort of Washington reporter who would not turn
someone away who approached him with information about FBI harassment of
a witness in the Foster case.
I think that it's time for me to recycle a letter to the editor that I
wrote the Washington Times on July 26, 1993, two days after they
produced the first article, based entirely upon one anonymous source,
that suggested that Vince Foster had been depressed:
Dear Editor:
Anyone with a shred of curiousity must wonder about the identity
and motives of your "source close to the Foster family" who seemed to
got to such lengths to persuade us that senior White House aide Vincent
Foster, Jr., was deeply and obviously depressed and therefore a likely
candidate for suicide. Brother-in-law former Rep. Beryl Anthony was in
much closer harmony with acquaintances in Arkansas who have spoken for
attribution when he angrily denounced such insinuations. Strong, solid,
stable, and responsible, a successful professional litigator accustomed
to pressure and hard work, Vince Foster hardly seemed the type who would
take his own life because of a few minor setbacks and a hectic schedule.
Other news reports describe him as a man of uncommon intelligence
and integrity. You may label me a cynic, but it seems to me that such
is our current condition that those qualities alone would mark him as a
prime candidate not for suicide, but for murder. (end of letter)
It goes without saying that the Wash. Times did not print the letter.
Now go back and look at all those qualities that Snow attributes to
young Hume. If, as they say, curiosity killed the cat, how much more
fatal would it be for a real Washington journalist?
So what do we know about the death? The Arlington County (VA) police
say officially that it was a suicide. Their spokesman told me this
morning that in such cases, because suicides are not a criminal matter,
to protect the family's privacy they give out no further information.
"But Sandy Hume was a public figure," I responded. "The public has a
right to know."
"No, he wasn't, he was just a reporter," was the response.
"All I know from reading the Internet was that he died last Sunday. Can
you confirm that?" I asked.
"The body was found on Sunday or Monday, I think," was all he would say.
"Well, could you tell me where it was found?" I asked.
"No," he responded, "If you ever had a loved one commit suicide maybe
you would be able to understand why these things are kept private."
"Is there any place else I can go for information?" I asked.
"You might try the coroner. Dr. James C. Beyer did the autopsy, but I
don't think he's giving out any information either."
I didn't bother.
Later in the morning I discussed my conversation with Beth George, the
mother of Tommy Burkett, whose death has also been ruled a suicide, a
ruling that the Burketts have vigorously protested, saying it was
murder.
"You know, that's the excuse that the Fairfax County police use for not
discussing our case, to protect the family's privacy, and here we are
with our web site and our cover-up quilt shouting 'murder' from the
mountaintops."
As I said on a previous posting, such secrecy in matters where there is
a clear public need to know only invites rumor and speculation, not a
healthy thing for a society.
It may turn out not to be relevant to the Sandy Hume case, but the
following poem has an undeniable general relevance to our current
situation, I believe:
To Our Press
When they killed Casolaro and Wilcher
You didn't sound the alarm.
Now who do you think, fine scribblers,
Will keep you safe from harm?
It's clear the instructions they gave you:
"You just have nothing to say,"
But the price for your complicity
Was a heavy one to pay.
When you agreed that you would stay silent
Your own Rubicon was crossed:
We needed your voice and you failed us,
Now more than your voice is lost.
DC Dave
David Martin
David Martin wrote:
>
> dingicat wrote:
> >
> > What about a "double standard", Mike?
> >
> > Since your admirer was replying to my comment (to someone
> > else), I assume yours had to do with me.
> >
> > You see a murder at every juncture, I got no problem with that,
> > but don't try to force it down my throat or criticize me, if I don't.
> >
> > Michael Rivero <riv...@accessone.com> wrote in article
> > <6dd2qo$qhc$1...@blaze.accessone.com>...
> > > In article <34f8c82a...@news.erols.com>,
> > > David Goldman <da...@erols.com> wrote:
> > > >>Oh, I don't know, Wilson. But, I feel a little bereavement
> > > >>time for Brit Hume and his family is in order.
> > > >
> > > >Since when does bereavement push off the press?????!!!!!
> > > >Did they do it for the Royal Family? You sound rather naive.
> > >
> > > Nah, just the usual double standard.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Mike & Claire - The Rancho Runnamukka http://www.accessone.com/~rivero/
> > > http://www.accessone.com/~rivero/CRASH/TWA/CIAVIDEO/ciavideo.html
> > > Awarded a Lycos "Top 5%" of the web!
> > >
> The alarm bells ought to be sounding all over the Net at this point.
I didn't see this earlier post on my server, so I'm putting it up again:
JUST A REPORTER
Tony Snow has a eulogy to Sandy Hume entitled "Sharing the Grief of
Parents" in today's Washington Times. It begins like this:
There is nothing in the parent's manual to prepare you for this: Sandy
Hume, son of my friend and colleague Brit Hume, took his life last week.
Like most suicides, this one defies explanation.
Sandy gave off light. He was blessed with chiseled good looks, athletic
skill and a voracious curiosity about the world. He smiled easily and
contagiously. When he showed up, he didn't just put people at ease. He
made them happy.
At the age of 28, he had emerged from his famous father's shadow, and
established himself as one of Washington's most dogged and creative
reporters. He ran circles around veteran scribes by committing
old-fashioned journalism. He worked long hours, talked endlessly with
sources, listened carefully and knew how to seize upon the smallest
inconsistency or incongruity. He could tug at loose threads in such a
way as to unspool falsehood and reveal truth. (end of excerpt)
Hey, this sounds like the sort of Washington reporter who would not turn
someone away who approached him with information about FBI harassment of
a witness in the Foster case.
I think that it's time for me to recycle a letter to the editor that I
wrote the Washington Times two days after they produced the first
article, based entirely upon one anonymous source, that suggested that
Vince Foster had been depressed:
July 26, 1993
Ray Heizer
In article <34FB1D...@erols.com>, dcd...@erols.com wrote:
snip
< David Martin wrote:
<
< I didn't see this earlier post on my server, so I'm putting it up again:
<
< JUST A REPORTER
<
< Tony Snow has a eulogy to Sandy Hume entitled "Sharing the Grief of
< Parents" in today's Washington Times. It begins like this:
<
< There is nothing in the parent's manual to prepare you for this: Sandy
< Hume, son of my friend and colleague Brit Hume, took his life last week.
<
< Like most suicides, this one defies explanation.
snip
< July 26, 1993
<
< Dear Editor:
<
< Anyone with a shred of curiousity must wonder about the identity
< and motives of your "source close to the Foster family" who seemed to
< got to such lengths to persuade us that senior White House aide Vincent
< Foster, Jr., was deeply and obviously depressed and therefore a likely
< candidate for suicide. Brother-in-law former Rep. Beryl Anthony was in
< much closer harmony with acquaintances in Arkansas who have spoken for
< attribution when he angrily denounced such insinuations. Strong, solid,
< stable, and responsible, a successful professional litigator accustomed
< to pressure and hard work, Vince Foster hardly seemed the type who would
< take his own life because of a few minor setbacks and a hectic schedule.
<
< Other news reports describe him as a man of uncommon intelligence
< and integrity. You may label me a cynic, but it seems to me that such
< is our current condition that those qualities alone would mark him as a
< prime candidate not for suicide, but for murder. (end of letter)
<
< It goes without saying that the Wash. Times did not print the letter.
<
-- And it goes without saying that DC Dave will never get over it.
-- And are you still smarting about what Phil Weiss and AEP wrote about
you and Hughie, DC? I would think after those fiascos, you would prefer
NOT to see your name in print.
-- And how long must we put up with DC parading his bruised ego before the
unbemused crowd?
David Martin
Ray Heizer wrote:
>
> In article <34FB1D...@erols.com>, dcd...@erols.com wrote:
>
> snip
>
> < David Martin wrote:
> <
> <
> < JUST A REPORTER
> <
> < Tony Snow has a eulogy to Sandy Hume entitled "Sharing the Grief of
> < Parents" in today's Washington Times. It begins like this:
> <
> < There is nothing in the parent's manual to prepare you for this: Sandy
> < Hume, son of my friend and colleague Brit Hume, took his life last week.
> <
> < Like most suicides, this one defies explanation.
>
>
> < July 26, 1993
> <
> < Dear Editor:
> <
> < Anyone with a shred of curiousity must wonder about the identity
> < and motives of your "source close to the Foster family" who seemed to
> < got to such lengths to persuade us that senior White House aide Vincent
> < Foster, Jr., was deeply and obviously depressed and therefore a likely
> < candidate for suicide. Brother-in-law former Rep. Beryl Anthony was in
> < much closer harmony with acquaintances in Arkansas who have spoken for
> < attribution when he angrily denounced such insinuations. Strong, solid,
> < stable, and responsible, a successful professional litigator accustomed
> < to pressure and hard work, Vince Foster hardly seemed the type who would
> < take his own life because of a few minor setbacks and a hectic schedule.
> <
> < Other news reports describe him as a man of uncommon intelligence
> < and integrity. You may label me a cynic, but it seems to me that such
> < is our current condition that those qualities alone would mark him as a
> < prime candidate not for suicide, but for murder. (end of letter)
> <
> < It goes without saying that the Wash. Times did not print the letter.
> <
>
>
> -- And are you still smarting about what Phil Weiss and AEP wrote about
> you and Hughie, DC? I would think after those fiascos, you would prefer
> NOT to see your name in print.
>
> -- And how long must we put up with DC parading his bruised ego before the
> unbemused crowd?
What patently ridiculous heizertwaddle over a deadly serious topic! How
self-discrediting! This from the man who runs the cas list. Has he
gone on a late-winter Caribbean cruise leaving dingicat to post for him
in his absence?
David Martin
Ray Heizer wrote:
>
> In article <34FB1D...@erols.com>, dcd...@erols.com wrote:
>
> snip
>
> < David Martin wrote:
> <
> <
> < JUST A REPORTER
> <
> < Tony Snow has a eulogy to Sandy Hume entitled "Sharing the Grief of
> < Parents" in today's Washington Times. It begins like this:
> <
> < There is nothing in the parent's manual to prepare you for this: Sandy
> < Hume, son of my friend and colleague Brit Hume, took his life last week.
> <
> < Like most suicides, this one defies explanation.
>
>
> < July 26, 1993
> <
> < Dear Editor:
> <
> < Anyone with a shred of curiousity must wonder about the identity
> < and motives of your "source close to the Foster family" who seemed to
> < got to such lengths to persuade us that senior White House aide Vincent
> < Foster, Jr., was deeply and obviously depressed and therefore a likely
> < candidate for suicide. Brother-in-law former Rep. Beryl Anthony was in
> < much closer harmony with acquaintances in Arkansas who have spoken for
> < attribution when he angrily denounced such insinuations. Strong, solid,
> < stable, and responsible, a successful professional litigator accustomed
> < to pressure and hard work, Vince Foster hardly seemed the type who would
> < take his own life because of a few minor setbacks and a hectic schedule.
> <
> < Other news reports describe him as a man of uncommon intelligence
> < and integrity. You may label me a cynic, but it seems to me that such
> < is our current condition that those qualities alone would mark him as a
> < prime candidate not for suicide, but for murder. (end of letter)
> <
> < It goes without saying that the Wash. Times did not print the letter.
> <
>
>
> -- And are you still smarting about what Phil Weiss and AEP wrote about
> you and Hughie, DC? I would think after those fiascos, you would prefer
> NOT to see your name in print.
>
> -- And how long must we put up with DC parading his bruised ego before the
> unbemused crowd?
This posting must have really hit paydirt for the strange one to want to
steer the discussion off so quickly with his heizertwaddle, so here it
is again:
JUST A REPORTER
Tony Snow has a eulogy to Sandy Hume entitled "Sharing the Grief of
Parents" in today's Washington Times. It begins like this:
There is nothing in the parent's manual to prepare you for this: Sandy
Hume, son of my friend and colleague Brit Hume, took his life last week.
Like most suicides, this one defies explanation.
Sandy gave off light. He was blessed with chiseled good looks, athletic
skill and a voracious curiosity about the world. He smiled easily and
contagiously. When he showed up, he didn't just put people at ease. He
made them happy.
At the age of 28, he had emerged from his famous father's shadow, and
established himself as one of Washington's most dogged and creative
reporters. He ran circles around veteran scribes by committing
old-fashioned journalism. He worked long hours, talked endlessly with
sources, listened carefully and knew how to seize upon the smallest
inconsistency or incongruity. He could tug at loose threads in such a
way as to unspool falsehood and reveal truth. (end of excerpt)
Hey, this sounds like the sort of Washington reporter who would not turn
someone away who approached him with information about FBI harassment of
a witness in the Foster case.
I think that it's time for me to recycle a letter to the editor that I
wrote the Washington Times on July 26, 1993, two days after they
ding...@erinet.com
Gotta hand *that* one to you, DC--if anyone knows about
"self-discrediting", it would be you.
You're fighting back a bit late in the game, fella--you
lost what little credibility you had long ago. A known
liar, whiner, cheap-shot artist, and darn near an expert
in dancing around what you really want to say, you're left
now to toss a few barbs.
Go find a new soapbox, DC. And leave Sandy Hume's death to
his parents for now. Brit Hume has far more intelligence
than you could ever imagine--he doesn't need you to taint
his son's life/death by your innuendo, and posting how much
investigation, and by whom, is needed.
If you know shame at all, you'll leave this alone for now.
And any accusation you want to lob at me, about participating
in a coverup should be considered for what it is, frustration.
ding...@erinet.com
David Martin wrote:
>
> Ray Heizer wrote:
> >
some snipped
> >
> > -- And it goes without saying that DC Dave will never get over it.
> >
> > -- And are you still smarting about what Phil Weiss and AEP wrote about
> > you and Hughie, DC? I would think after those fiascos, you would prefer
> > NOT to see your name in print.
> >
> > -- And how long must we put up with DC parading his bruised ego before the
> > unbemused crowd?
>
> This posting must have really hit paydirt for the strange one to want to
> steer the discussion off so quickly with his heizertwaddle, so here it
> is again:
>
Didn't sound that way at all, DC. Sounded more like you've
also been discredited by Phil Weiss.
Or would it be more of your "self-dicsrediting"? ROTFL
black flag
David Goldman is naive,
if he thinks Charlie
(and Queen Mother)
were bereaved....
BF
Tom Sparks
On Mon, 02 Mar 1998 13:15:46 -0800, rayh...@value.net (Ray Heizer)
bravely declared:
...
>< It goes without saying that the Wash. Times did not print the letter.
><
>
>-- And it goes without saying that DC Dave will never get over it.
>
>-- And are you still smarting about what Phil Weiss and AEP wrote about
>you and Hughie, DC? I would think after those fiascos, you would prefer
>NOT to see your name in print.
>
>-- And how long must we put up with DC parading his bruised ego before the
>unbemused crowd?
Until the question is answered. As long as Dave keeps it alive, it
seeks a truthful response.
For CopWatch,
Tom Sparks newsgroup: alt.thebird.copwatch
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/1794/copwatch.html
Tom Sparks
On Mon, 02 Mar 1998 13:25:32 -0500, David Martin <dcd...@erols.com>
bravely declared:
I wonder how many suicides we'd really have if an independent agency
investigated each one, with no ties to any police agency or insurance
firm?
Bill Kasper
On a bronze plaque in Wash. D.C are the immortal words of David Martin
<dcd...@erols.com> :
=Todd Marshall wrote:
<snip Arkancide of Sandy Hume>
="You might try the coroner. Dr. James C. Beyer did the autopsy, but I
=don't think he's giving out any information either."
<snip>
Holy shit.
I should have known.
"Male, caucasian, 5'10, 180 pounds, head severed from body, multiple bullet
wounds, abrasians on back of head. Body found in trunk of car, head in back
seat, car still running. Conclusion: suicide by asphyxiation. Signed, Dr.
James Beyer"
Isn't there an official body of ME's that can censur Beyer, or disbar him,
or something? He's an embarrassment to the profession at the very least.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bill Kasper, Militia of One,
SIGINT, Mechanized Information Cavalry, VR-WC->
"Conspire early, and often"
Gary Cruse
>
>-- And how long must we put up with DC parading his bruised ego before the
>unbemused crowd?
Until he can make a living writing poesy. IOW, until
the last proton decays.
--
Gary Cruse vwrc-alarmist
What China got for the money:
"You remind me of the late, unlamented secretary general
of the United Nations, Kurt Waldheim, who also had a
lapse of memory. He conveniently forgot several years
when he was a Nazi,"
Tom Lantos (D-California) re: Donald Smaltz' failure
to mention he is a registered Republican
dingicat
Better yet, why don't you write to Brit Hume? Why not tell him
that it is *you* who knows what is best for his son?
You don't seem to get it--some of this stuff is none of your
business--they don't want half-assed charlatans like you
preying on them.
You really should be ashamed, DC--but that would require
integrity, a word that shouldn't be used in the same sentence
with anything that describes you.
You seem awfully proud of your bits of letters, "works", that go
nowhere except in the wastebasket. You advertise, but still no
takers.
David Martin <dcd...@erols.com> wrote in article
<34FAF9...@erols.com>...
>
snip
> I think that it's time for me to recycle a letter to the editor that I
> wrote the Washington Times on July 26, 1993, two days after they
> produced the first article, based entirely upon one anonymous source,
> that suggested that Vince Foster had been depressed:
>
snip
DSharp673
[The Ignorant Slut Rosalie Thompson wrote:]
>Better yet, why don't you write to Brit Hume? Why not tell him
>that it is *you* who knows what is best for his son?
You're so full of compassion.
>You don't seem to get it--some of this stuff is none of your
>business--they don't want half-assed charlatans like you
>preying on them.
How did you get all of the answers so quickly?
>You really should be ashamed, DC--but that would require
>integrity, a word that shouldn't be used in the same sentence
>with anything that describes you.
Rosalie "Dingicat" Thompson lectures about integrity. That's
funny.
>You seem awfully proud of your bits of letters, "works", that go
>nowhere except in the wastebasket. You advertise, but still no
>takers.
Obviously you have reached the same conclusion about Sandy
Hume as you did about Vince Foster.
<snip>
ding...@erinet.com
DSharp673 wrote:
>
>
> You're so full of compassion.
You bet I am, especially when the one most hurt is not only a
fine journalist, but also a fine, well-liked man--who is now the
target of your lowdown dirt, tainting his son's death.
> How did you get all of the answers so quickly?
Sorry, I sure didn't mean to imply I have answers--guess
that is my point to you and AC/DC, there aren't answers,
and to specualte about everyone who *dies* is
counterproductive, as is usual for your two--you don't even
seem to have a any purpose, except to find a soapbox, and
start your latest rant about your latest "cause".
>
> Rosalie "Dingicat" Thompson lectures about integrity. That's
> funny.
>
I agree, not-so-sharp, it would be wasted on you and DC.
>
> Obviously you have reached the same conclusion about Sandy
> Hume as you did about Vince Foster.
>
> <snip>
And my conclusion about Vince Foster would be?
You since don't know your butt from a bucket, not-so-sharp,
you sure don't know what my conclusions are.
Rave on, little lady.
David Martin
dingicat wrote:
>
> Better yet, why don't you write to Brit Hume? Why not tell him
> that it is *you* who knows what is best for his son?
>
> business--they don't want half-assed charlatans like you
> preying on them.
>
> integrity, a word that shouldn't be used in the same sentence
> with anything that describes you.
>
> nowhere except in the wastebasket. You advertise, but still no
> takers.
>
> > wrote the Washington Times on July 26, 1993, two days after they
> > produced the first article, based entirely upon one anonymous source,
> > that suggested that Vince Foster had been depressed:
> >
>
This argument sounds absolutely identical to the one made by those who
have abetted in the cover-up of the obvious Vince Foster murder. Where
would we be now if we had just knuckled under to a Park Police spokesman
saying that it was just a family matter that is of no concern of ours?
And I have never been able to understand the argument that it is somehow
better, that it shows greater respect for the dead, to believe that
someone committed suicide than to entertain the possibility that he
might have been murdered. If you still don't see my point, it's time to
recycle:
Soliicitude
Don't you think that the family has suffered enough,
Why must you stir up this mess?
He wasn't constructed of very strong stuff,
He couldn't put up with the press.
He must not have been what he seemed to be,
He could not have been very stable,
That he might have been killed for his honesty
Is just a romantic fable.
We'll FIGHT for his right to be off in the head!
What do you mean we offend you?
If you should turn up mysteriously dead
This is how we would defend you.
DC Dave
David Goldman
> BF
I am not naive. I was trying to make a point regarding the media. I
heard a recent report that the body guard stated that he did not think
the driver was drunk......
Do we think that the British government will order a Special
Prosecutor ;-)?
dingicat
And with a lowlife like you around to prey on this grieving family,
they will never have any privacy, nor peace.
I don't know how you decide in which manner the information
should be provided--some of these things just aren't any of
you business.
"We's" fanny, DC--*you're* the one so worried--why not go to
see Brit Hume--ell him what an injustice he is doing to *you*
and the memory of his son.
David Martin <dcd...@erols.com> wrote in article > And why would this
information not be made public in the conventional
> manner? I simply do not understand this preference for darkness over
> light. A news story requires the old who, what, when, where, and why.
> When we don't get it we pretty damn well ought to wonder why not. This
> hiding behind the "privacy of the family" business is a blueprint for
> tyranny. All the authorities who want to cover up a murder have to do is
> lean on the surviving family members. With policies like these none of
> us have any protection.
>
Andy Walton
In article <34FAF9...@erols.com>, dcd...@erols.com wrote:
:Hey, this sounds like the sort of Washington reporter who would not turn
:someone away who approached him with information about FBI harassment of
:a witness in the Foster case.
I can only think of one high-profile death that has NOT brought
allegations of foul play in the last few years -- Sonny Bono. And I may
have missed a thread or two on him.
Seriously, has there been any tragedy in the last three or four years that
has not been loudly attributed to a conspiracy? Courtney Love killed Kurt
Cobain. The Navy shot down TWA 800. MI5 killed Princess Diana. Clinton
killed Vince Foster, Ron Brown, and Larry Lawrence, and probably found
some way to give Jim McDougal cancer. Some folks even find the death of
Albert Speer, who hanged himself at the age of 90-something after half a
century in prison, suspicious.
Consider this an open challenge -- name one high-profile death, one person
whose death made the national wires, who was definitely NOT the victim of
a conspiracy. I've got a crisp $5 bill that says that if you provide the
death, I can provide the conspiracy. Odds are, I won't have to make one up
myself.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
"My greatest fear is that I won't be misunderstood." --Oscar Wilde
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Andy Walton * att...@mindspring.com * http://atticus.home.mindspring.com/
David Goldman
>Seriously, has there been any tragedy in the last three or four years that
>has not been loudly attributed to a conspiracy? Courtney Love killed Kurt
>Cobain. The Navy shot down TWA 800. MI5 killed Princess Diana. Clinton
>killed Vince Foster, Ron Brown, and Larry Lawrence, and probably found
>some way to give Jim McDougal cancer
I think you are referring to Jim Guy Tucker and his prostate. We now
know what he is doing.....testifying for Starr.....
David Martin
Ray Heizer wrote:
> -- If you were a member of CAS, you would also have found out what I
> learned yesterday when I called Dr. Beyer's office yand inquired about the
> autopsy.
And what highly reliable information did the corrupt one relay to the
strange one? I am sure that this limited little audience would like to
know, for what it is worth, or do they all have to join and click their
heels to the heizercontrolled cas list?
Ray Heizer
-- Sorry, DC. If you want any credibility around here, you really should
start doing your own research. Here's the main number: 703-764-4640*. I
think that's a local call for you.
-- I am thoroughly disgusted by you arm chair conspiracy nuts sitting in
your east coast ivory towers who have nothing better to do than
pontificate, having never lifted a finger to make even one phone call to
do any original research. It's no wonder that Ruddy, AEP and Weiss will
have nothing to do with you and your kind.
* Note to lurkers: Phonies don't phone.
Billy Beck
David Martin <dcd...@erols.com> wrote:
>Ray Heizer wrote:
>> -- If you were a member of CAS, you would also have found out what I
>> learned yesterday when I called Dr. Beyer's office yand inquired about the
>> autopsy.
>
>And what highly reliable information did the corrupt one relay to the
>strange one?
He didn't say he spoke to Beyer, dummy.
>I am sure that this limited little audience would like to
>know, for what it is worth, or do they all have to join and click their
>heels to the heizercontrolled cas list?
Nope. You get to be as foolish as you wish to be.
"Everybody gets to go to hell in their own go-cart."
(Beck's Axiom Of Pedagogic Reality)
Billy
VRWC fronteer - sigdiv
http://www.mindspring.com/~wjb3/clinton/vrwc.htm
DSharp673
[BF wrote:]
>>David Goldman is naive,
>>if he thinks Charlie
>>(and Queen Mother)
>>were bereaved....
>
>> BF
>I am not naive. I was trying to make a point regarding the media. I
>heard a recent report that the body guard stated that he did not
> think the driver was drunk......
>
>Do we think that the British government will order a Special
>Prosecutor ;-)?
>
Princess Diana was murdered for obvious reasons. She
was about to challenge the US to ban land mines. The United
States is essentially a war monger in such matters and the CIA's
waterboy Clinton didn't have the nerve to stand up to the
Pentagon or the CIA. Had Diana lived it would have been
extremely difficult for the United States not to join about 100 other
nations in a treaty to ban land mines. Diana's charisma was a
powerful force, comparable to JFK's.
On September 18, 1997, about three weeks after Princess Diana's
death, President Clinton publicly refused to join the international
treaty to ban land mines. The Washington Times and other
"conservative" newspapers hailed him as a great leader for his
decision.
Diana's driver was not drunk. That is a lie. Her car was run off
the road into reinforced concrete by another car that has never
been found. It was CLEARLY a political assassination because
she was about to do something unthinkable, push for world peace
by endorsing the international treaty to ban land mines. She was
also challenging the huge international arms industry. These are
not Boy Scouts.
That's the story of Princess Diana. Case closed. End of story.
Next topic.
Dave Sharp
*************
To Diana, "Peacemaker'
"When [she] shall die
take [her] and cut her out in little stars
and [she] will make the face of heaven so fine
that all the world will be in love with night
and pay no worship to the garish sun."
From "Romeo and Juliet" by William Shakespeare
**********
DSharp673
[dingicat wrote:]
>>
>> Better yet, why don't you write to Brit Hume? Why not tell him
>> that it is *you* who knows what is best for his son?
>>
>> You don't seem to get it--some of this stuff is none of your
>> business--they don't want half-assed charlatans like you
>> preying on them.
>>
>> You really should be ashamed, DC--but that would require
>> integrity, a word that shouldn't be used in the same sentence
>> with anything that describes you.
>>
>> You seem awfully proud of your bits of letters, "works", that go
>> nowhere except in the wastebasket. You advertise, but still no
>> takers.
>>
>> snip
>> > I think that it's time for me to recycle a letter to the editor that I
>> > wrote the Washington Times on July 26, 1993, two days after
>> > they produced the first article, based entirely upon one
>> > anonymous source, that suggested that Vince Foster had been
>> >depressed:
>> >
>>
>> snip
>
> made by those who have abetted in the cover-up of the obvious
> Vince Foster murder. Where would we be now if we had just
> knuckled under to a Park Police spokesman saying that it was
> just a family matter that is of no concern of ours?
>
>And I have never been able to understand the argument that it is
> somehow better, that it shows greater respect for the dead, to
> believe that someone committed suicide than to entertain the
> possibility that he might have been murdered. If you still don't
> see my point, it's time to recycle:
>
> Soliicitude
>
>Don't you think that the family has suffered enough,
>Why must you stir up this mess?
>He wasn't constructed of very strong stuff,
>He couldn't put up with the press.
>
>He must not have been what he seemed to be,
>He could not have been very stable,
>That he might have been killed for his honesty
>Is just a romantic fable.
>
>We'll FIGHT for his right to be off in the head!
>What do you mean we offend you?
>If you should turn up mysteriously dead
>This is how we would defend you.
>
> DC Dave
>
Protecting the family is the oldest trick in the book. When JFK
was murdered in Dallas, an autopsy was attempted at Parkland
Memorial Hospital where he died, but was interrupted by secret
service men brandishing submachine guns at the medical staff.
There was actually a tugging contest on the JFK's casket.
Ironically, the secret service men were much more aggressive
about protecting JFK's corpse than protecting him while he was
alive.
President Lyndon Johnson later explained that the body was
taken out of Dallas immediately to spare Jackie any further
grief. Jackie never publicly expressed her opinion on the
subject; however, she moved abroad about five years later
following the assassination of JFK's brother Bobby.
Several friends quoted her as saying, "I hate America."
She didn't seem to appreciate the fact that our government
was concerned about her emotional welfare.
Dave Sharp
Gary Cruse
On Tue, 03 Mar 1998 12:35:34 -0500, att...@mindspring.com (Andy
Walton) graced us all with:
>I
> Some folks even find the death of
>Albert Speer, who hanged himself at the age of 90-something
> after half a century in prison, suspicious.
>
While reading this post about what can be known,
I got this alarm from my bullshit detector,
"This guy knows not his ass from his ear,
The best advice: 'caveat lector.'"
"Albert Speer lived to be seventy-six,
Far short of ninety-some odd.
His years in prison numbered just twenty.
This post is thus rendered a fraud.
j...@inxpress.net
DSharp673, James Carville's doppelganger's dingdong dingaling,
wrote:
>
> Protecting the family is the oldest trick in the book. When JFK
> was murdered in Dallas, an autopsy was attempted at Parkland
> Memorial Hospital where he died, but was interrupted by secret
> service men brandishing submachine guns at the medical staff.
> There was actually a tugging contest on the JFK's casket.
> Ironically, the secret service men were much more aggressive
> about protecting JFK's corpse than protecting him while he was
> alive.
>
> President Lyndon Johnson later explained that the body was
> taken out of Dallas immediately to spare Jackie any further
> grief. Jackie never publicly expressed her opinion on the
> subject; however, she moved abroad about five years later
> following the assassination of JFK's brother Bobby.
> Several friends quoted her as saying, "I hate America."
>
> She didn't seem to appreciate the fact that our government
> was concerned about her emotional welfare.
>
> Dave Sharp
Swell.
Now what the hell does this have to do with Sandy Hume?
David Goldman
>Diana's driver was not drunk. That is a lie. Her car was run off
>the road into reinforced concrete by another car that has never
>been found. It was CLEARLY a political assassination because
>she was about to do something unthinkable, push for world peace
>by endorsing the international treaty to ban land mines. She was
>also challenging the huge international arms industry. These are
>not Boy Scouts.
The driver issue was mentioned in fact by the bodyguard. By there are
those who feel our CIA and folks weren't as worried as were the Royal
Family about Prince Henry having non-Anglo half siblings...
Steven H. Findeiss
Andy Walton wrote:
: Consider this an open challenge: name one high-profile death, one person
: whose death made the national wires, who was definitely NOT the victim of
: a conspiracy. I've got a crisp $5 bill that says that if you provide the
: death, I can provide the conspiracy.
George Burns. If you heard about a conspiracy on ol' George, I gotta
see it! --s
Mike~Schneider
> > > -- And how long must we put up with....
...you guys pulling each others' beards in every thread?
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> >-- And how long must we put up with DC parading his bruised ego before the
> >unbemused crowd?
>
> Until the question is answered. As long as Dave keeps it alive, it
> seeks a truthful response.
Absolutely goddamn correct.
It deserves a response no matter *who* "keeps it alive".
Mike~Schneider
In article <atticus-0303...@user-38lc86o.dialup.mindspring.com>,
att...@mindspring.com (Andy Walton) wrote:
> Seriously, has there been any tragedy in the last three or four years that
> has not been loudly attributed to a conspiracy? Courtney Love killed Kurt
> Cobain. The Navy shot down TWA 800. MI5 killed Princess Diana. Clinton
> killed Vince Foster, Ron Brown, and Larry Lawrence, and probably found
> some way to give Jim McDougal cancer. Some folks even find the death of
> Albert Speer, who hanged himself at the age of 90-something after half a
> century in prison, suspicious.
>
> Consider this an open challenge -- name one high-profile death, one person
> whose death made the national wires, who was definitely NOT the victim of
> a conspiracy. I've got a crisp $5 bill that says that if you provide the
> death, I can provide the conspiracy. Odds are, I won't have to make one up
> myself.
George Burns.
Mail $5 to:
Mike Schneider
607 Larch Ave
La Crescent, MN 55497
PS. Will I get further increments of $5 for each additional
non-conspiratorial high-profile death?
Mike~Schneider
In article <19980303204...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
dsha...@aol.com (DSharp673) wrote:
> Protecting the family is the oldest trick in the book. When JFK
> was murdered in Dallas, an autopsy was attempted at Parkland
> Memorial Hospital where he died, but was interrupted by secret
> service men brandishing submachine guns at the medical staff.
> There was actually a tugging contest on the JFK's casket.
> Ironically, the secret service men were much more aggressive
> about protecting JFK's corpse than protecting him while he was
> alive.
According to "The Men Who Killed Kennedy", much of the Secret Service
detail was boozing it up in a local titty bar until 2am the morning prior
to the motorcade.
> President Lyndon Johnson later explained that the body was
> taken out of Dallas immediately to spare Jackie any further
> grief. Jackie never publicly expressed her opinion on the
> subject; however, she moved abroad about five years later
> following the assassination of JFK's brother Bobby.
> Several friends quoted her as saying, "I hate America."
>
> She didn't seem to appreciate the fact that our government
> was concerned about her emotional welfare.
>
> Dave Sharp
Andy Walton
In article <FreeWilly-040...@pool-207-205-143-92.chia.grid.net>,
Free...@mindspring.com (Mike~Schneider) wrote:
:> Consider this an open challenge -- name one high-profile death, one person
:> whose death made the national wires, who was definitely NOT the victim of
:> a conspiracy. I've got a crisp $5 bill that says that if you provide the
:> death, I can provide the conspiracy. Odds are, I won't have to make one up
:> myself.
:
: George Burns.
George Burns -- real name Nathan Birnbaum -- died the day before the
release of a book entitled "Blood Sport" by Pulitzer Prize-winning author
James Stewart which threatened to blow the lid off the Whitewater deal.
See <http://cnn.com/US/9603/whitewater/09/>. Predictably, Clinton spent
the next day (or week) eulogizing Burns, and avoiding the tough questions
the book raised.
He also died on the day Strom Thurmond officially became the oldest
serving U.S. Senator -- opponents of the Senator could have killed Burns
to undermine public confidence in nonogenarians during the 1996 campaign.
Why would anyone want to undermine confidence in the elderly? Have we
already forgotten who was running for President in 1996?
Okay, so I had to make that one up.
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Steven H. Findeiss (s...@ionet.net) wrote:
: Andy Walton wrote:
: : Consider this an open challenge: name one high-profile death, one person
: : whose death made the national wires, who was definitely NOT the victim of
: : a conspiracy. I've got a crisp $5 bill that says that if you provide the
: : death, I can provide the conspiracy.
: George Burns. If you heard about a conspiracy on ol' George, I gotta
: see it! --s
John Denver...
Bill Kasper
On a bronze plaque in Wash. D.C are the immortal words of
Free...@mindspring.com (Mike~Schneider) :
=In article <atticus-0303...@user-38lc86o.dialup.mindspring.com>,
=att...@mindspring.com (Andy Walton) wrote:
=
=> Seriously, has there been any tragedy in the last three or four years that
=> has not been loudly attributed to a conspiracy? Courtney Love killed Kurt
=> Cobain. The Navy shot down TWA 800. MI5 killed Princess Diana. Clinton
=> killed Vince Foster, Ron Brown, and Larry Lawrence, and probably found
=> some way to give Jim McDougal cancer. Some folks even find the death of
=> Albert Speer, who hanged himself at the age of 90-something after half a
=> century in prison, suspicious.
=>
=> Consider this an open challenge -- name one high-profile death, one person
=> whose death made the national wires, who was definitely NOT the victim of
=> a conspiracy. I've got a crisp $5 bill that says that if you provide the
=> death, I can provide the conspiracy. Odds are, I won't have to make one up
=> myself.
=
=
= George Burns.
=
=
= Mail $5 to:
=
= Mike Schneider
= 607 Larch Ave
= La Crescent, MN 55497
=
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black flag
Andy was confusing Speer with Hess.
His comment wasn't intended to be deceptive.
Andy Walton
In article <34ff1dd5...@news.xtra.co.nz>,
bill.kasper@usa.-remove-this-.net wrote:
: River Phoenix.
Biographic information from <http://cgi.idirect.com/index///buckley.html>.
River Jude Phoenix was born to John Bottom and Arlyn Dunetz, '60s flower
children who later joined the Children of God cult, based in Texas. What
happened is unclear, but the family fled the country in 1973, ending up in
Venezuela. They left the cult, because they heard disturbing news about
its founder -- no specified in any source I found. The family returned to
the States in 1977, adopting the name "Phoenix."
In 1988, River Phoenix starred in "Running on Empty" with Judd Hirsch and
Christine Lahti. It was possibly the most convincing performance of his
career, and earned him his only academy award nomination. After
uninspiring performances in his previous films, what was it about this
movie that elicited such a performance from the yound agtor? Could it have
been that the role of a young man, fleeing with his family one step ahead
of the authorities, hit close to home?
The child of American expatriates, who fled from a TEXAS CULT, dies of the
all-too-convenient cliche -- a movie star drug overdose. What might he
have known? What suppressed memories might have begun to surface? Whatever
secrets he may have known went to his grave with him.
And River's brother Leaf, a child actor in his own right, disappeared from
movies for six years. When he returned, his name was Joaquin, and he had
visible plastic surgery scars. Hmm.
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black flag
David Moses was the leader of the
Chidren of God. I spent a few days
with a large group of them at a ranch
in So. Cal. way back in '71.
When I decided it wasn't for me, and
told them I was leaving, I was assured
that God would kill me before I got five
miles down the highway. He didn't.
I think the Children were just pissed
because I hadn't given them my car.
There were a lot of very nice people
in the group, but the Leader types were
pretty overbearing.
I think David Moses is dead.
BF
randy stiefer
Roger wrote:
>
> Don't know about Sandy, but Paxon's wife ex-Congressperson Molinari was
> rumored to be a lesbian. The rumors died off when she got married to the
> effette Paxon.
I always wondered why the media loved her so.
That's the real reason to suspect her of being a PC type of some kind.
Deneen Sparks
On Mon, 02 Mar 1998 13:15:46 -0800, rayh...@value.net (Ray Heizer)
squawked:
>In article <34FB1D...@erols.com>, dcd...@erols.com wrote:
>
>snip
>
>< David Martin wrote:
><
>< I didn't see this earlier post on my server, so I'm putting it up again:
><
>< JUST A REPORTER
><
>< Tony Snow has a eulogy to Sandy Hume entitled "Sharing the Grief of
>< Parents" in today's Washington Times. It begins like this:
><
>< There is nothing in the parent's manual to prepare you for this: Sandy
>< Hume, son of my friend and colleague Brit Hume, took his life last week.
><
>< Like most suicides, this one defies explanation.
>
>snip
>
>< July 26, 1993
><
>< Dear Editor:
><
>< Anyone with a shred of curiousity must wonder about the identity
>< and motives of your "source close to the Foster family" who seemed to
>< got to such lengths to persuade us that senior White House aide Vincent
>< Foster, Jr., was deeply and obviously depressed and therefore a likely
>< candidate for suicide. Brother-in-law former Rep. Beryl Anthony was in
>< much closer harmony with acquaintances in Arkansas who have spoken for
>< attribution when he angrily denounced such insinuations. Strong, solid,
>< stable, and responsible, a successful professional litigator accustomed
>< to pressure and hard work, Vince Foster hardly seemed the type who would
>< take his own life because of a few minor setbacks and a hectic schedule.
><
>< Other news reports describe him as a man of uncommon intelligence
>< and integrity. You may label me a cynic, but it seems to me that such
>< is our current condition that those qualities alone would mark him as a
>< prime candidate not for suicide, but for murder. (end of letter)
><
>< It goes without saying that the Wash. Times did not print the letter.
><
>
>-- And it goes without saying that DC Dave will never get over it.
>
>-- And are you still smarting about what Phil Weiss and AEP wrote about
>you and Hughie, DC? I would think after those fiascos, you would prefer
>NOT to see your name in print.
>
>-- And how long must we put up with DC parading his bruised ego before the
>unbemused crowd?
I, for one, am extremely happy about DC's posts. His being closer to
the action, he has a view that a lot of us can't match.
With his writing talents, he has the RIGHT for a little ego.
POST ON, DC DAVE!
Some of us are listening.
Peace, newsgroup: alt.thebird
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Deneen Sparks
On Mon, 02 Mar 1998 19:09:13 -0500, David Martin <dcd...@erols.com>
squawked:
>Ray Heizer wrote:
Those of you who are skipping this post, scroll to the end and just
catch the poetry.
It's one of the only things that I have read in a long time that has
managed to touch my heart with beauty, trouble my mind with reality,
and bring chills down my back for its insight and sobriety.
>This posting must have really hit paydirt for the strange one to want to
>steer the discussion off so quickly with his heizertwaddle, so here it
>is again:
>
>
> JUST A REPORTER
>
>Tony Snow has a eulogy to Sandy Hume entitled "Sharing the Grief of
>Parents" in today's Washington Times. It begins like this:
>
>There is nothing in the parent's manual to prepare you for this: Sandy
>Hume, son of my friend and colleague Brit Hume, took his life last week.
>
>Like most suicides, this one defies explanation.
>
>Sandy gave off light. He was blessed with chiseled good looks, athletic
>skill and a voracious curiosity about the world. He smiled easily and
>contagiously. When he showed up, he didn't just put people at ease. He
>made them happy.
>
>At the age of 28, he had emerged from his famous father's shadow, and
>established himself as one of Washington's most dogged and creative
>reporters. He ran circles around veteran scribes by committing
>old-fashioned journalism. He worked long hours, talked endlessly with
>sources, listened carefully and knew how to seize upon the smallest
>inconsistency or incongruity. He could tug at loose threads in such a
>way as to unspool falsehood and reveal truth. (end of excerpt)
>
>Hey, this sounds like the sort of Washington reporter who would not turn
>someone away who approached him with information about FBI harassment of
>a witness in the Foster case.
>
>I think that it's time for me to recycle a letter to the editor that I
>wrote the Washington Times on July 26, 1993, two days after they
>produced the first article, based entirely upon one anonymous source,
>that suggested that Vince Foster had been depressed:
>
> July 26, 1993
>
>Dear Editor:
>
> Anyone with a shred of curiousity must wonder about the identity
>and motives of your "source close to the Foster family" who seemed to
>got to such lengths to persuade us that senior White House aide Vincent
>Foster, Jr., was deeply and obviously depressed and therefore a likely
>candidate for suicide. Brother-in-law former Rep. Beryl Anthony was in
>much closer harmony with acquaintances in Arkansas who have spoken for
>attribution when he angrily denounced such insinuations. Strong, solid,
>stable, and responsible, a successful professional litigator accustomed
>to pressure and hard work, Vince Foster hardly seemed the type who would
>take his own life because of a few minor setbacks and a hectic schedule.
>
> Other news reports describe him as a man of uncommon intelligence
>and integrity. You may label me a cynic, but it seems to me that such
>is our current condition that those qualities alone would mark him as a
>prime candidate not for suicide, but for murder. (end of letter)
>
>It goes without saying that the Wash. Times did not print the letter.
>
>Now go back and look at all those qualities that Snow attributes to
>young Hume. If, as they say, curiosity killed the cat, how much more
>fatal would it be for a real Washington journalist?
>
>So what do we know about the death? The Arlington County (VA) police
>say officially that it was a suicide. Their spokesman told me this
>morning that in such cases, because suicides are not a criminal matter,
>to protect the family's privacy they give out no further information.
>
>"But Sandy Hume was a public figure," I responded. "The public has a
>right to know."
>
>"No, he wasn't, he was just a reporter," was the response.
>
>"All I know from reading the Internet was that he died last Sunday. Can
>you confirm that?" I asked.
>
>"The body was found on Sunday or Monday, I think," was all he would say.
>
>"Well, could you tell me where it was found?" I asked.
>
>"No," he responded, "If you ever had a loved one commit suicide maybe
>you would be able to understand why these things are kept private."
>
>"Is there any place else I can go for information?" I asked.
>
>"You might try the coroner. Dr. James C. Beyer did the autopsy, but I
>don't think he's giving out any information either."
>
>I didn't bother.
>
>Later in the morning I discussed my conversation with Beth George, the
>mother of Tommy Burkett, whose death has also been ruled a suicide, a
>ruling that the Burketts have vigorously protested, saying it was
>murder.
>
>"You know, that's the excuse that the Fairfax County police use for not
>discussing our case, to protect the family's privacy, and here we are
>with our web site and our cover-up quilt shouting 'murder' from the
>mountaintops."
>
>As I said on a previous posting, such secrecy in matters where there is
>a clear public need to know only invites rumor and speculation, not a
>healthy thing for a society.
>
>It may turn out not to be relevant to the Sandy Hume case, but the
>following poem has an undeniable general relevance to our current
>situation, I believe:
>
> To Our Press
>
>When they killed Casolaro and Wilcher
>You didn't sound the alarm.
>Now who do you think, fine scribblers,
>Will keep you safe from harm?
>
>It's clear the instructions they gave you:
>"You just have nothing to say,"
>But the price for your complicity
>Was a heavy one to pay.
>
>When you agreed that you would stay silent
>Your own Rubicon was crossed:
>We needed your voice and you failed us,
>Now more than your voice is lost.
>
> DC Dave
David Goldman
>Did Gingrich and Armey force Paxon out of politics by threatening to expose
>his homosexuality?
>Roger
I thought Paxon was happily married to Susan Molinari??!
David Goldman
>Don't know about Sandy, but Paxon's wife ex-Congressperson Molinari was
>rumored to be a lesbian. The rumors died off when she got married to the
>effette Paxon.
How strange. Not only are they crazy about their baby, but they want
to have more.
Wilson
In article <6e6urb$g...@examiner.concentric.net>, "Trailblazer" <windi...@corner.com> wrote:
>
>David Goldman wrote in message <3506c9ef...@news.erols.com>...
>I'd bet they didn't do it the natural way the first time.
>Having a baby or expressing the desire to have one is meaningless these
>days.
>
>If you'll remember, even Clinton and Hillary floated the idea of adopting a
>baby in order to take the focus off scandals.
>Unfortunately for them, several more scandals broke and they eventually
>shutup about the baby.
>Nope, no new little ones in the Whitehouse.
>Pretty much worked it for all it was worth.
>Had to come up with a new diversion for each new scandal.
The dog Buddy was a nifty idea. Especially those "mans best friend" shots
with Bill Clinton.
>I'm waiting for one of them to suddenly develop some debilitating illness to
>garner our sympathy.
>Trouble is, even were it true, there is no way I would believe it.
>
>NEVER CRY WOLF.
>
>Trailblazer
Not neccessary, for every scandal they've resorted to the liberal standby of
announcing a new social program for the have nots. It seems to be working
quite well, and a lot less inconvenient than a wheelchair.
Wilson
Trailblazer
David Goldman wrote in message <3506c9ef...@news.erols.com>...
>>Don't know about Sandy, but Paxon's wife ex-Congressperson Molinari was
>>rumored to be a lesbian. The rumors died off when she got married to the
>>effette Paxon.
>
>How strange. Not only are they crazy about their baby, but they want
>to have more.
>
I'd bet they don't do it the conventional, or, natural way.
I'd bet they didn't do it the natural way the first time.
Having a baby or expressing the desire to have one is meaningless these
days.
If you'll remember, even Clinton and Hillary floated the idea of adopting a
baby in order to take the focus off scandals.
Unfortunately for them, several more scandals broke and they eventually
shutup about the baby.
Nope, no new little ones in the Whitehouse.
Pretty much worked it for all it was worth.
Had to come up with a new diversion for each new scandal.
I'm waiting for one of them to suddenly develop some debilitating illness to
Trailblazer
Wilson wrote in message <35070...@oasis.idirect.com>...
>In article <6e6urb$g...@examiner.concentric.net>, "Trailblazer"
<windi...@corner.com> wrote:
>>
>>David Goldman wrote in message <3506c9ef...@news.erols.com>...
***snip***
>>If you'll remember, even Clinton and Hillary floated the idea of adopting
a
>>baby in order to take the focus off scandals.
>>Unfortunately for them, several more scandals broke and they eventually
>>shutup about the baby.
>>Nope, no new little ones in the Whitehouse.
>>Pretty much worked it for all it was worth.
>>Had to come up with a new diversion for each new scandal.
>
>The dog Buddy was a nifty idea. Especially those "mans best friend" shots
>with Bill Clinton.
Yeah, those were good.
Maybe the next diversion will be Buddy killing Socks.
They can then claim that having Buddy neutered was to blame.
We can have that British pet psychiatrist explain that neutering is very
traumatic for a dog and Buddy is not to blame for his actions.
You see? Buddy the victim.
Then we can get Bob Barker involved in a new national debate.
Then the press can talk about Bobs women instead of Bills.
>
>>I'm waiting for one of them to suddenly develop some debilitating illness
to
>>garner our sympathy.
>
>>Trouble is, even were it true, there is no way I would believe it.
>>
>>NEVER CRY WOLF.
>
>Not neccessary, for every scandal they've resorted to the liberal standby
of
>announcing a new social program for the have nots. It seems to be working
>quite well, and a lot less inconvenient than a wheelchair.
You're quite right of course.
See ya,
Trailblazer
splat
randy stiefer wrote:
> > Don't know about Sandy, but Paxon's wife ex-Congressperson Molinari was
> > rumored to be a lesbian. The rumors died off when she got married to the
> > effette Paxon.
> I always wondered why the media loved her so.
> That's the real reason to suspect her of being a PC type of some kind.
She said on TV that as she got older, she started looking for
different things in a man -- a good father instead of a good date.
Sounds normal to me.
...splat
black flag
Wilson wrote:
.."for every scandal they've announced a
new social program for the have nots."
What were those, "Mr. Have?"
BF
Andy Walton
:I'd bet they don't do it the conventional, or, natural way.
:I'd bet they didn't do it the natural way the first time.
I'd bet you're making shit up.
:Trouble is, even were it true, there is no way I would believe it.
That's not terribly surprising.
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