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Martin McPhillips

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May 6, 2004, 5:23:37 PM5/6/04
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BY JAMES TARANTO
Thursday, May 6, 2004 3:22 p.m. EDT
.....
'Realism,' New York Times Style

The New York Times editorializes in favor of John Kerry's plan
for Iraq, and for a minute we thought we'd been too tough on Kerry.
Kerry "proposes designating an international high commissioner for
Iraq whose office would be outside the barely functional,
patronage-driven U.N. personnel system," opines the Times. "That would
permit the recruitment of a capable staff and create some safeguards
against the kind of wholesale corruption that is alleged to have
vitiated the U.N.'s oil-for-food program in Iraq."

Wow, Kerry and the Times are acknowledging that the U.N. is
"barely functional, patronage-driven" and permeated with "wholesale
corruption"? Is reality setting in?

Maybe not. Consider the start of the editorial's final
paragraph:

<<Mr. Kerry's ideas would have been difficult to put into effect
a year ago. They would be extremely hard to carry out now, and
impossible by next January, should he defeat Mr. Bush. But they at
least reflect a realistic view of what the United Nations--and the
United States--can and cannot do.>>

So Kerry's proposal would have been "difficult" a year ago, is
"extremely hard" now, and will be "impossible" to implement by the
time Kerry is in a position to do so--and yet the Times calls this
"realistic"?
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<SmirkS>

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May 6, 2004, 6:16:37 PM5/6/04
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Martin McPhillips wrote:

> "proposes designating an international high commissioner for
> Iraq whose office would be outside the barely functional,
> patronage-driven U.N. personnel system,"
>

> Wow, Kerry and the Times are acknowledging that the U.N. is
> "barely functional, patronage-driven" and permeated with "wholesale
> corruption"? Is reality setting in?


well, one says u.n. personnel system, and the other says u.n.

i think that's called a spin.


of course, do a search on JAMES TARANTO and you'll see that he's as busy
writing about kerry as the conservative intellects here in alt.p....

--
TheTruthHurts.

Martin McPhillips

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May 6, 2004, 6:44:22 PM5/6/04
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"<SmirkS>" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> Martin McPhillips wrote:
>
> > "proposes designating an international high commissioner for
> > Iraq whose office would be outside the barely functional,
> > patronage-driven U.N. personnel system,"
> >
> > Wow, Kerry and the Times are acknowledging that the U.N. is
> > "barely functional, patronage-driven" and permeated with
"wholesale
> > corruption"? Is reality setting in?
>
> well, one says u.n. personnel system, and the other says u.n.

That's a distinction without a difference.

What the Times is saying is that the UN cannot function
in those situations. Who knew?

> i think that's called a spin.
>
> of course, do a search on JAMES TARANTO and you'll see that he's as
busy
> writing about kerry as the conservative intellects here in alt.p....

Taranto is the editor of the Wall Street Journal's
free website opinionjournal.com.

And, yes, he thinks that John Kerry is a fairly useless
buffoon. And he's right.


<SmirkS>

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May 6, 2004, 7:12:14 PM5/6/04
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Martin McPhillips wrote:

> Taranto is the editor of the Wall Street Journal's
> free website opinionjournal.com.
>
> And, yes, he thinks that John Kerry is a fairly useless
> buffoon. And he's right.

his opinion would mean something if he acknowledged what a buffoon bush is.

--
TheTruthHurts.

Martin McPhillips

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May 6, 2004, 7:15:46 PM5/6/04
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"<SmirkS>" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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In speaking about politicians, one immediately assumes a
baseline of buffoonery that goes with the territory.

Kerry laps Bush several times in the buffoonery
race. Bush, if you haven't noticed, takes positions
and let's you know where he stands. Kerry is
a relentless blowhard. Today, for instance, he
was talking about how he would take responsibility
for "his command" when he's president. When he
fell on the ski slopes a few weeks ago, he didn't
even take responsibility for his fall.


<SmirkS>

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May 6, 2004, 7:21:27 PM5/6/04
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Martin McPhillips wrote:

> Kerry laps Bush several times in the buffoonery
> race.


your opinion is irretrievable.

--
TheTruthHurts.

Martin McPhillips

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May 6, 2004, 7:24:27 PM5/6/04
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"<SmirkS>" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> Martin McPhillips wrote:
>
> > Kerry laps Bush several times in the buffoonery
> > race.
>
> your opinion is irretrievable.

All you have to do is listen.

Kerry is a pompositeur, to get
French about it.


Tom Betz

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May 6, 2004, 7:31:00 PM5/6/04
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Quoth "Martin McPhillips" <nos...@nospam.com> in
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> Bush, if you haven't noticed, takes positions
> and let's you know where he stands.

.. and then changes them as soon as the polls tell him his positions are
unpopular.

# Bush is against a Homeland Security Department; then he's for it.
# Bush is against a 9/11 commission; then he's for it.
# Bush is against an Iraq WMD investigation; then he's for it.
# Bush is against nation building; then he's for it.
# Bush is against deficits; then he's for them.
# Bush is for free trade; then he's for tariffs on steel; then he's against
them again.
# Bush is against the U.S. taking a role in the Israeli Palestinian conflict;
then he pushes for a "road map" and a Palestinian State.
# Bush is for states rights to decide on gay marriage, then he is for
changing the constitution.
# Bush first says he'll provide money for first responders (fire, police,
emergency), then he doesn't.
# Bush first says that 'help is on the way' to the military ... then he cuts
benefits
# Bush-"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. Bush-"I
don't know where he is. I have no idea and I really don't care.
# Bush claims to be in favor of the environment and then secretly starts
drilling on Padre Island.
# Bush talks about helping education and increases mandates while cutting
funding.
# Bush first says the U.S. won't negotiate with North Korea. Now he will
# Bush announces his candidacy at Bob Jones University. Then say's he
shouldn't have.
# Bush said he would demand a U.N. Security Council vote on whether to
sanction military action against Iraq. Later Bush announced he would not call
for a vote.
# Bush said the "mission accomplished" banner was put up by the sailors.
Bush later admits it was his advance team.
# Bush was for fingerprinting and photographing Mexicans who enter the US;
after meeting with Pres. Fox, he's against it.

There are many, many more examples.

--
"I am afeard there are few die well that die in a battle; for how can they
charitably dispose of anything when blood is their argument? Now, if these
men do not die well, it will be a black matter for the King that led them
to it; who to disobey were against all proportion of subjection." - W.S.

John D.

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May 6, 2004, 7:41:01 PM5/6/04
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"Martin McPhillips" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Kerry, a lapping French pompositeur.

Nice.

Martin McPhillips

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May 6, 2004, 7:39:52 PM5/6/04
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"Tom Betz" <spamme...@pobox.com> wrote in message
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> Quoth "Martin McPhillips" <nos...@nospam.com> in
> news:CGzmc.59304$Nn4.13...@twister.nyc.rr.com:
>
> > Bush, if you haven't noticed, takes positions
> > and let's you know where he stands.
>
> .. and then changes them as soon as the polls tell him his positions
are
> unpopular.

Oh, well, that's such an impressively stupid list.

Bush wasn't against homeland security per se and then
for it, for instance. He for a time resisted the creation of
a huge new department, and then he accepted the idea.
When he did back the idea, he didn't turn around six
months later and refuse responsibilty for *signing*
the legislation that created it. John Kerry *voted*
to send troops to Iraq and turned around a few
months later and *voted* against funding them
in country.

Is there too much air in your head for that to find
a place to land?

Gandalf Grey

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May 6, 2004, 7:44:53 PM5/6/04
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"Tom Betz" <spamme...@pobox.com> wrote in message
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> Quoth "Martin McPhillips" <nos...@nospam.com> in
> news:CGzmc.59304$Nn4.13...@twister.nyc.rr.com:
>
> > Bush, if you haven't noticed, takes positions
> > and let's you know where he stands.
>
> .. and then changes them as soon as the polls tell him his positions are
> unpopular.

It's so nice to see someone shoving that lie down Martin's psychotic little
throat.

Gandalf Grey

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May 6, 2004, 7:47:57 PM5/6/04
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"Martin McPhillips" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> "Tom Betz" <spamme...@pobox.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns94E1C688FB413g...@166.84.1.70...
> > Quoth "Martin McPhillips" <nos...@nospam.com> in
> > news:CGzmc.59304$Nn4.13...@twister.nyc.rr.com:
> >
> > > Bush, if you haven't noticed, takes positions
> > > and let's you know where he stands.
> >
> > .. and then changes them as soon as the polls tell him his positions
> are
> > unpopular.
>
> Oh, well, that's such an impressively stupid list.

Oh well, Bush is an impressively stupid president.

>
> Bush wasn't against homeland security per se and then
> for it, for instance. He for a time resisted the creation of
> a huge new department, and then he accepted the idea.

Because of the polls. Q.E.D.

And I note you can't find anything wrong with the rest of the list.

Apparently there's enough hot air in your head to avoid ever landing.

Martin McPhillips

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May 6, 2004, 7:58:06 PM5/6/04
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"John D." <Ya...@bfd.com> wrote in message
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Sounds like a small dog bred to lick
rich pussy.

I can hear it being introduced at the
Westminster Dog Show:

"The Lapping French Pompositeur, from
the Working Group, first bred by house
servants in the Burgundy region of France
to lick the pussies of rich women visiting
French nobles from the Island of Madagasgar.

"The Pompositeur, or Pompy, as it's known
to rich women visiting French nobles from the
Island of Madagasgar, is loyal, but barks at
anyone who comes up the front walk. Richly
endowed with a thick, wet tongue, it performs
its tasks with vigor, often emitting sounds
that resemble political speeches, and is able
to shift position as required."


John D.

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May 6, 2004, 8:20:38 PM5/6/04
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"Martin McPhillips" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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The Velvet tongued Pompy!

Yer just killin me here Martin, I just passed a half swallow of Merlot right
through my nose.

Gandalf Grey

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May 6, 2004, 8:32:03 PM5/6/04
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"Martin McPhillips" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> "John D." <Ya...@bfd.com> wrote in message
> news:4NmdnffmEIb...@centurytel.net...
> >
> > "Martin McPhillips" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
> > news:LOzmc.59307$Nn4.13...@twister.nyc.rr.com...
> > > "<SmirkS>" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
> > > news:Xns94E1A6610...@130.133.1.4...
> > > > Martin McPhillips wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Kerry laps Bush several times in the buffoonery
> > > > > race.
> > > >
> > > > your opinion is irretrievable.
> > >
> > > All you have to do is listen.
> > >
> > > Kerry is a pompositeur, to get
> > > French about it.
> > >
> >
> > Kerry, a lapping French pompositeur.
> >
> > Nice.
>
> Sounds like a small dog bred to lick
> rich pussy.

Thanks for reminding us that you're nothing but a vulgar bigot, Marty


Martin McPhillips

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May 6, 2004, 8:37:43 PM5/6/04
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"John D." <Ya...@bfd.com> wrote in message
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Not to be confused with the Rough-tongued
Pompy preferred by Junior Senators from New
York and her sister circle of girlfriends.

> Yer just killin me here Martin, I just passed a half swallow of
Merlot right
> through my nose.

I'm enjoying an inexpensively delicious Malbec myself.
The Argentines are not half-bad.


Bill Anderson

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May 6, 2004, 8:26:48 PM5/6/04
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"Tom Betz" <spamme...@pobox.com> wrote in message
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> # Bush is against deficits; then he's for them.

Well, that's not fair. During the 2000 campaign, Bush told a reporter that
would, indeed, engage in deficit spending if there was a national emergency,
or a war, or a recession. Of course, the reporter was invisible, and nobody
else heard it, and the Librul Media Konspiracy immediately erased all record
of the conversation, but still...


John D.

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"Martin McPhillips" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Ah yes, that bump & grind collective with their studded leashes and spiked
chokers.


> > Yer just killin me here Martin, I just passed a half swallow of
> Merlot right
> > through my nose.
>
> I'm enjoying an inexpensively delicious Malbec myself.
> The Argentines are not half-bad.
>

I haven't tried that yet; sounds like it would go well with a bit of dark
chocolate.

Martin McPhillips

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May 6, 2004, 9:03:10 PM5/6/04
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"John D." <Ya...@bfd.com> wrote in message
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That's why Bill Clinton keeps a case of it in his office.


Tempest

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Gandalf Grey wrote:
> "Tom Betz" <spamme...@pobox.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns94E1C688FB413g...@166.84.1.70...
>
>>Quoth "Martin McPhillips" <nos...@nospam.com> in
>>news:CGzmc.59304$Nn4.13...@twister.nyc.rr.com:
>>
>>
>>>Bush, if you haven't noticed, takes positions
>>>and let's you know where he stands.
>>
>>.. and then changes them as soon as the polls tell him his positions are
>>unpopular.
>
>
> It's so nice to see someone shoving that lie down Martin's psychotic little
> throat.

And here's a new one from today:

Bush is for Israel keeping some of the land in the West Bank.
Bush is against Israel keeping some land in the West Bank.


--
"The true axis of evil in America is the brilliance of our marketing
combined with the stupidity of our people."
- Bill Maher

John D.

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May 6, 2004, 9:17:21 PM5/6/04
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"Martin McPhillips" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Not to change the subject, but with all this rending of garments and
gnashing of teeth going on amongst the Democrats over this ongoing army
investigation, I have to ask, where were all these holier than thou
anti-American ass holes when Clinton torched those children in Waco Texas?

Martin McPhillips

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May 6, 2004, 9:20:35 PM5/6/04
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"John D." <Ya...@bfd.com> wrote in message
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They were out walking their Lapping French Pompositeurs.


MikeSoja

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May 6, 2004, 9:12:50 PM5/6/04
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On Fri, 07 May 2004 00:37:43 GMT, "Martin McPhillips"
<nos...@nospam.com> posted:

>"John D." <Ya...@bfd.com> wrote in message
>news:G5idnX6Klac...@centurytel.net...

>> Yer just killin me here Martin, I just passed a half swallow of


>>Merlot right through my nose.

>I'm enjoying an inexpensively delicious Malbec myself.
>The Argentines are not half-bad.

I'm finishing up a Warburn, 2002 Shiraz, $12 and almost worth it.

Still, I refuse to let any of it out my nose.


Mike Soja

John D.

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May 6, 2004, 9:43:13 PM5/6/04
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Beringer's Stone Cellars is a decent Shiraz for around $15. It *is* better
to swallow it than to spray it out your nose, you're right about that, but
you can bet I'll know better next time Martin is sharing his expertise about
canines.

>
> Mike Soja
>

MikeSoja

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May 6, 2004, 10:01:44 PM5/6/04
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On Thu, 6 May 2004 20:43:13 -0500, "John D." <Ya...@bfd.com> posted:

There's no way away from it, I'm afraid. You're relaxing, about to
read what you know will be a good post, and you take a drink of
wine. It's a natural confluence. And sometimes it happens the post
makes you laugh that fine wine out your nose. That, too, is just
another happy confluence, and one of life's small joys.

I opened this bottle two days ago, so it's hard to know what's crept
into it, but there's a definite oakey follow up, unfortunately, it's
oak planks that have been left out in the rain. Holl's Chocolates
is a fine chocolate factory, but their small wine selection could be
improved.

Mike Soja

John D.

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May 6, 2004, 11:13:08 PM5/6/04
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The kind of oak planks you can't drive a nail through, rough-hewn. If you're
not going to kill it, you just have to put a vacuum on it. You might want to
give the Beringer family a sniff and a sip, Mike, you might like it.


> Mike Soja
>

MikeSoja

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May 6, 2004, 11:33:34 PM5/6/04
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On Thu, 6 May 2004 22:13:08 -0500, "John D." <Ya...@bfd.com> posted:

>"MikeSoja" <mso...@newsguy.com> wrote in message

>news:a5rl90dm30qbv5jqv...@4ax.com...

>> I opened this bottle two days ago, so it's hard to know what's crept
>> into it, but there's a definite oakey follow up, unfortunately, it's
>> oak planks that have been left out in the rain. Holl's Chocolates
>> is a fine chocolate factory, but their small wine selection could be
>> improved.

>The kind of oak planks you can't drive a nail through, rough-hewn. If you're
>not going to kill it, you just have to put a vacuum on it. You might want to
>give the Beringer family a sniff and a sip, Mike, you might like it.

I've not invested in a vacuum thingy. Strictly troglodyte party
manners here. And I know Beringer, though I think it's been a while
since I picked some up. But you know what? I'm going to be in San
Jose in two weeks and haven't done a winery tour in about 18 years,
and get this, I was going to go visit this place:

http://www.bamboosourcery.com/

... in Sebastopol, which is about twenty miles from Beringer (as the
crow flies. The pavement route looks fairly tortuous.)

Looks like another happy confluence.

Mike Soja

John D.

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"MikeSoja" <mso...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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Take a bag of Dove dark chocolates, less than $3 and only 4 ‘carbs’ each.

> Mike Soja
>

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