Schwann, I have always believed you
were onto something with your webtrance
concept. As you know, I have latched
onto your term for a whole series of articles
under the "If this be webtrance..." subject
line. "Webtance" still seems like an ideal
term for describing some things I have
experienced through use of the net. However,
I see it as a creative enhancement for moving
writers and others in new directions. For
people who are not at all interested in taking
their creative minds into unexplored places,
it is unlikely they will experience the sort
of adventures you and I and some others do.
If people have hum-drum minds to begin
with, and are content with that, and are not
consciously striving to explore any new
creative frontiers, then I would suspect that
the part of the net they prefer to hang out in
will become as humdrum as network television.
As you many remember, I refer to the
thoughtstream, the part of the net where the
most creative activities take place. In
other words, the thoughtstream flows through
the websites which offer the most creative and
intellectual challenge, and the newsgroups which
feature the most original postings. Obviously,
that is an ever changing thing. In theory, you
could map the thoughtstream, but it would be
through a website, on a computerized map, because
the thoughtstream is always shifting. For
instance (and I've already noted this in an
earlier post today) a few months ago the map
might have shown misc.creativty as highlighted
in beautiful, swirling colors, because then a
lot of very original and uniquely
creative postings were showing, but right now
many of the same people are not posting there,
so the m.c. group would be shown in a rather
lackluster hue, meaning the creative content
is down. Of course, I am not seriously
suggesting that this "mapping" would be done,
but I DO maintain that the great unmapped
thoughtstream is there, and that folks like
you and me and countless others are a part of
it. Yet millions of others have no interest
in the creative aspects of the net, and they
are not part of the thoughtstream at all,
and in fact would in many cases cynically
deny its existence, knowing they can never
be part of it. So, from my point of view,
I really have no interest in converting
others to the webtrance experiece. It (at
least this "whatever-it-is" I have
experienced on the net) works for me, but
if I did not have an interest in exploring
and developing the creative aspects of my
mind, I likely would have missed it entirely...
--from the upstairs office at alt.genius.bill-palmer
>
> pixel weavers and makers of song, come along?
>
> schwann cybershaman
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Discussions on the Webtrance Memetic Effect
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> :alt.webtrance Charter:
>
> "the basic concept of the Webtrance meme involves netizens from all over
> the world simultaneously focusing into a mass computer generated trance;
> thus participating in humanity's digital reincarnation. If critical mass
> is reached, maybe our entire species will be bumped up in brain
> potential through a change in our morphogenetic field and then it wont
> matter if you're logged on or not. To me it feels like this has already
> begun."
>
> - Schwann Cybershaman -
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> www.webtrance.co.za
> www.webtrance.co.za/webtrance.html (Video and creative FAQ)
> www.webtrance.co.za/usenet.htm (Video Archives)
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Thanks for your thoughts on webtrance. I note that it now has nearly
3000 iterations on the WWW.
Though I wan't born in a creative groove, creativity now rules with
me. However, most of 'them' aren't into it...yet
alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo admires creativity, however misplaced:)
Aside: Posting to usenet is a constant challenge, and recently i
uncovered my first post to usenet, though i'd been following the
'alien' and 'ufo' groups for six months before i got annoyed enough to
post...in those days you could meet the minds of Prof Scott Littleton
(now a good friend, visited him in LA), and John Shirley (stayed at
John's place outside San Francisco in 'snake valley), Terence Mckenna
(met him here, then visited him in Hawaii)and Rudi Rucker (only
email), Bruce Sterling (email) and Janel(sp?) Rodenberry (email),
nowadays it's the wannabe BMW driven, fuck-you, mob that rules, not
those enquiring minds i met back in the early 90's...last gasp of the
20th century and all that...for your amusement here's my first
post....
best,
schwann
www.webtrance.co.za (used to be www.webtrance.aztec.co.za, which is
still archived in those web data banks they got running somewhere...)
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From: I.E.Schwann (sch...@aztec.co.za)
Subject: Get Yor Fingers Out
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
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Date: 1994-07-22 18:20:14 PST
Yo! Dudes!
Is there any real research going on ou there? Or do people just debate
Cosmic Consciousness as their guilt subscription to the mysteries.
I tune in less and less to this channel cos time is short and I wan't
to
be learnin things---Dig!
Try sci.astro alt.cyberpunk sci.archaeology and others and then meet
back here with fax, not a lot of twaddle!
C'mon Warrior Scribes of Teraa, You can do better than This!
With Respect
Schwann
palmer....@sbcglobal.net (Bill Palmer)
>.for your amusement here's my first
>post....
You can do better than that. Amuse us with your last post.
(And I don't mean "most recent.")
--
Kevin S. Wilson
Tech Writer at a University Somewhere in Idaho
"You can safely ignore Kevin in order to
maximise life's experience." --A. Loon, in alt.religion.kibology
>>.for your amusement here's my first
>>post....
>You can do better than that. Amuse us with your last post.
Hasn't Fabio kissed Schwann full on the lips with his wanger yet? That
would make for a good last post ever.
* * *
Stacia * sta...@theworld.com * The Avocado Avenger (dec'd)
"I currently have 236 wieners in my freezers."
Schwann wrote:
> Dear Bill,
>
> Thanks for your thoughts on webtrance. I note that it now has nearly
> 3000 iterations on the WWW.
>
> Though I wan't born in a creative groove, creativity now rules with
> me. However, most of 'them' aren't into it...yet
> alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo admires creativity, however misplaced:)
>
> Aside: Posting to usenet is a constant challenge, and recently i
> uncovered my first post to usenet, though i'd been following the
> 'alien' and 'ufo' groups for six months before i got annoyed enough to
> post...in those days you could meet the minds of Prof Scott Littleton
> (now a good friend, visited him in LA), and John Shirley (stayed at
> John's place outside San Francisco in 'snake valley), Terence Mckenna
> (met him here, then visited him in Hawaii)and Rudi Rucker (only
> email), Bruce Sterling (email) and Janel(sp?) Rodenberry (email),
> nowadays it's the wannabe BMW driven, fuck-you, mob that rules, not
> those enquiring minds i met back in the early 90's...last gasp of the
> 20th century and all that...for your amusement here's my first
> post....
I remember you on the Sarfatti list. I'm someone still to meet.
Bob Dobbs
Hey Bob, that was a year (or two) ago. Last I heard Jack had dissapeared
into his own bullshit with a shriek of operatic math. Is this true? I'm
still in touch with some of the 'others', like Gary, "the Iowan Idiot".
Now to the second part of your post. Are you inviting me to meet you in
the USA? I hadn't considered coming back for a while, but maybe, just
maybe...
best,
schwann
www.webtrance.co.za
>
>Now to the second part of your post. Are you inviting me to meet you in
>the USA? I hadn't considered coming back for a while, but maybe, just
>maybe...
The answer is still the same, Schwang. Not until you've had ALL of
your shots.
--
Kevin S. Wilson
Tech Writer at a University Somewhere in Idaho
"Who put these fingerprints on my imagination?"
Here is what Jack wrote to me recently:
[[I have been involved preparing my counter lawsuit against Stephen
Schwartz and Foundation Offensive to Democracy should I get sued. I
have an attorney to handle my responses when I am on the road, which
will be most of the time from now on. I will be away in Europe soon
until end of September at Vigier Conference in Paris and other places.
Will be working on physics in Europe. Also I am opening a UK branch
most likely and will be going back and forth.
Latest physics is at http://qedcorp.com/APS/
Latest Neo Conned Schwartz lunacy is at http://qedcorp.com/Schwartz/
Warren Hinckle, associate editor of SF Examiner, is doing a special
issue of his Argonaut on Schwartz.]]
Schwann wrote:
> Schwann wrote:
>
> Hey Bob, that was a year (or two) ago. Last I heard Jack had dissapeared
> into his own bullshit with a shriek of operatic math. Is this true? I'm
> still in touch with some of the 'others', like Gary, "the Iowan Idiot".
>
> Now to the second part of your post. Are you inviting me to meet you in
> the USA?
Not necessarily. My statement was addressed to all who have read my posts
here over the last 2.5 years.
Bob Dobbs
>
>Schwann,
You misspelled "Schwang." HTH.
>Here is what Jack wrote to me recently:
Any of you brainiacs ever heard of e-mail? It's the latest thing among
the kids these days. They use it for one-to-one communication, if you
can imagine!
>[[I have been involved preparing my counter lawsuit against Stephen
>Schwartz and Foundation Offensive to Democracy should I get sued.
What a coincidence! I've been preparing my counter lawsuit against Ed
McMahon, Publishers' Clearinghouse, and the US tobacco industry, in
case they decide to sue me. Can't be too prepared, you know.
> I
>have an attorney to handle my responses when I am on the road, which
>will be most of the time from now on. I will be away in Europe soon
>until end of September at Vigier Conference in Paris and other places.
He misspelled "Viagra."
>Will be working on physics in Europe.
You know, opening doors, walking both up and down stairs, riding in
elevators, dropping objects on my foot, that sort of thing. Very
physicsy.
> Also I am opening a UK branch
only to find termites and grubs inside.
>most likely and will be going back and forth.
>
>Latest physics is at http://qedcorp.com/APS/
>
>Latest Neo Conned Schwartz lunacy is at http://qedcorp.com/Schwartz/
Hey, some people at work were talking about this Hypertext Markup
something or other that allows you to put text and graphics together
on something called "web pages," rather than just dump a bunch of
PDFs, JPGs, and GIFs into a directory. You should check it out.
>
>Warren Hinckle, associate editor of SF Examiner, is doing a special
>issue of his Argonaut on Schwartz.]]
>
>Schwann wrote:
>
>> Schwann wrote:
Nah, he did something. But I wouldn't call it writing.
I knew you would.
>
> I remember you on the Sarfatti list. I'm someone still to meet.
>
>
> Bob Dobbs
>
>
and how is Jack?
meet me here
check this
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