beach boys or beach boy?
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years ago) he wasn't touring with them anymore. It was his son. And then
there is Mike Love. That is it. Brian Wilson wasn't with them.....Dennis
died long ago. Carl is dead. Let's see. Who am I missing???????????
And, my own personal opinion here, it just wasn't the BEACH BOYS. Mike Love
was still leering....we sat in the front row and I just felt "weird." And I
just felt like he was trying way too hard to be young. Call me a purist,
but Beach Boys it wasn't.
By the way, this isn't age discrimination here...... I've been to see
Aerosmith....the Stones.....and I just didn't have the same "ick" feeling
that I had with the Beach Boys. (Whose music I also like) Maybe it was
because Aerosmith and the Stones have MOST of their original members? Maybe
it was because Steven Tyler still looked pretty damn good for 52.
Nadine
Scolomon <scol...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> how many beach boys are still around and singing?
> I know the youngest wilson is gone and i am pretty sure mike love is still
> around
> are the beach boys in concert any good any more?
> On a completely unrelated tangent I saw dylan/simon last year. My friend
Dave
> and i had second to last row seats in jones beach amphitheater in Long
island
> NY . Until they turned the screens on we couldn't tell which one was bob
dylan
> lol. but it was the best show i was ever at. I went to see dylan but
simon
> stole the show. This summer so many great bands are touring
> I have tickets to steely dan and am debating to get steve miller, who,
jimmy
> page and black crowes, kiss, roger waters or allman brothers. I wish i
could
> see em all. Anyway there i go rambling on again.
> What do i know anyway i am only 17?
> ~Scott
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> I know the youngest wilson is gone and i am pretty sure mike love is still
> around
> are the beach boys in concert any good any more?
> On a completely unrelated tangent I saw dylan/simon last year. My friend
Dave
> and i had second to last row seats in jones beach amphitheater in Long
island
> NY . Until they turned the screens on we couldn't tell which one was bob
dylan
> lol. but it was the best show i was ever at. I went to see dylan but
simon
> stole the show. This summer so many great bands are touring
> I have tickets to steely dan and am debating to get steve miller, who,
jimmy
> page and black crowes, kiss, roger waters or allman brothers. I wish i
could
> see em all. Anyway there i go rambling on again.
> What do i know anyway i am only 17?
> ~Scott
I HIGHLY recommend that you go to The Who when they come in concert. I
recently got a free download of them on their current tour singing 'You
Better You Bet.' The voice is still strong but you can tell it wont be in
say 5 years or so. I will see them in late Aug. here in Houston. Also go see
Steve Miller. I have seen him only one time back on 12-7-88. He dedicated
the concert to Roy Orbison who had died 2 days prior. Then he proceeded to
flat get down!! He played his hits then some jazz then finished with the
really big hits. I have never seen The Allman Brothers but will when they
come here. I saw Jimmy Page with The Firm in '85 & was blown away. Don't
debate cause they're all great!!
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Steve_2000
red hot and doing as great show this year featuring some of
their first new tunes since 1980, a bunch of great older ones
etc. Just do it, (again:)
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Guitarist Dickey Betts-a key force in the Allman Bros trademark
sound IS NOT on this summer's tour, which makes
it...well...Gregg and the 2 or 3 other originals-but with Gregg
really carrying the weight of 'the sound' (which is very much
twin (Betts) guitar influenced imo.
There were apparently creative differences, according to
Billboard magazine, and Betts was informed by a fax that he
would not be on this summer's tour. I have a tough time with
them calling it the Allman Bros without Dickey. The article
mentioned DB's struggles with sobriety-as most of that band have
had...so perhaps after being clean for many years he has
slipped. Whatever. I wish him the best. He needs to be on that
stage or it just ain't the Allman Bros. Do you go to an Eric
Clapton concert if EC isn't going to be there to play for you?
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As far as the Beach Boys, this is just what I've picked up over
the time since Carl Wilson's tragic fairly early death to cancer
around 2 years ago.
First, Brian is not in the Beach Boys and hasn't been,
realistically, for about 30 years-I think he did a tour or at
least some shows with them in the 80's where he was a non-
presence.
Brian is currently 'healthy'-stable enough to go out as a solo
artist, and after a small tour last year, will be on the road
for a bit bigger one this year (late summer), playing the
classic 'Pet Sounds' in it's entirety as well as other
favorites. There may be some bigger orchestration-not sure.
The "non-Brian" Beach Boys eventually came to be viewed as "The
Beach Boys" after they established a 30+ year track record as
the live 'performing' concert version of the band, featuring
most of the original members (frequently arguing offstage but
Very Good and Fun).
By most accounts the touring Beach eventually looked to the late
Carl Wilson for band leadership, although I'm sure other members
had strong input. It was generally recognized that Carl took
great care that everyone toed the line and that Brian's and
their musical legacy was performed as well as the could every
night and with the respect (and the built in Fun) that it
deserved. I saw the Beach Boys 5 or 6 times between 1985-95 and
it was always great. They used however many extra musicians they
needed to cop that big Phil Spector influenced instrumental
sound and Brian Wilson's brilliantly arranged original vocal
harmonies.
Of course the youngest Wilson, Dennis, died many years ago from
hard living and misadventure, but the remaining BB's (despite
all kinds of offstage machinations/court battles over Brian's
medical care, copyright ownership etc) maintained a stable and
solid live performing unit with the key players: Carl, Mike, Al
Jardine, and Bruce Johnston.
Bruce was the long ago permanent replacement for Brian (on bass
and vocals) when Brian abruptly announced he was unable to tour
anymore (circa 65). Glen Campbell subbed for him on bass to play
out the tour, Johnston was the long-term replacement. Side-note:
Bruce Johnston-among many other credits-wrote the song "I Write
The Songs." And Barry Manilow's been telling us He wrote em all
these years. Barry wrote *some*, but not That one, and Johnston
is probably set for life.
When Carl died, imo, the Beach Boys died as the
longtime 'evergreen' performing band that gave us so many great
summer concerts over the last 30 years.
Guesses on ''Current" status of the 'Beach Boys.' Note: Again,
this is an 'imo' post of things I've noticed since Carl's
passing, situations which may or may not be in place today/this
season. Info gathered from local concert ads, flyers etc.
Perhaps there is more current info on the net.. anyway...
The summer following Carl's passing, there appeared to be 2
Beach Boy 'type' groups hitting the concert trail. One group
was/is led by Al Jardine and *may* be called the Beach Boys or
Al Jardine's Beach Boys or the Beach Boys featuring Al Jardine
etc etc.
The other group was/is apparently led by Mike Love with the same
type of billing info. ML's BB's or featuring Mike Love etc.
One of these groups apparently featured or currently features
the original rhythm guitarist-his name escapes me, but Al
Jardine replaced him very early on, as the guy had 'other'
career plans...oops. In anycase, as of the last time I was
trying to figure out who was doing what with the BB's name and
music, this original rhythm player was in one of the outfits,
perhaps to lend some credibility to it-strength in
numbers/'original' or onetime members.
There was a hastily put together and cheaply promoted oldies
show last year near here that advertised the 'Al Jardine/BB
outfit' as the headliner. This was a concert done by a small
promoter, again with very little and poorly done promotion. I
*believe* the 'Mike Love BB's' may have come through and played
a small venue as well.
I'm not sure if Bruce Johnston is with either of these groups,
or if he is..with whom.
Things seem to be in disarray since Carl's death, with money and
dissension over how to continue the 'Beach Boys' as the main
forces at work. Both Beach Boy-related outfits seemed to be
playing much smaller lower profile gigs than the real Beach Boys
would ever have done. The full-on real Beach Boys were
admittedly one of The Nostalgia Bands, but they were one of The
Best Nostalgia bands. Carl-and I would have to think many of the
others-really cared about those shows. And they were true
headlining shows promoted by this area's top promoters in large
(10-15,000 seat) venues.
So last I knew: Mike and Al both leading BB groups. Not sure
where Johnston is, maybe he's smart and decided to live of his
royalties for "Songs":) And the original rhythm player-a Wilson
neighbor or cousin in the early 60's, back with one of the
outfits.
To me, the Beach Boys are first and foremost about Brian
Wilson's musical vision and his great songs.
Beyond that, the Beach Boys are about the wonderful and timeless
hit recordings Brian originally produced. The key element of
these songs/recordings were Brian's vocal arrangements and the
singers who sang them.
Brian's long been gone from the Beach Boys concert stage, and
his some of his trademark lead vocals were taken over by Carl,
his falsetto stuff sometimes by one of the sidemen/singers who
helped them get that sound live. Imo-and Brian will sometimes
talk about and acknowledge this-the late Carl Wilson was the
best singer in the band.
Mike Love was the trademark 'lead singer' on certain songs in
lower registers and also sang the bass parts. He was also the
frontman/entertainer..an outfront onstage presence for the Beach
Boys throughout their career. Jardine did a couple of lead
vocals the last time I saw the real BB's...he was ok, but not
outstanding, and I don't think he was the singer on the hit
recordings of those few tunes.
The only way to *realistically* salvage what is left of the
Beach Boys is for Love, Jardine and Johnston to put something
together...and even then there's some Serious magic missing as
Carl-the last remaining Wilson Voice capable of being a part of
a Beach Boys touring band...has left us.
No Wilson Brothers can really be involved in any new version of
the Beach Boys. The only surviving one, Brian, is still very
fragile emotionally and cannot be expected to stand up to the
rigors of a full on constantly touring Beach Boys ensemble.
Perhaps the Endless Summer is Over.... as far as sitting on the
grass at a concert with a cooler and groovin to some great
classic Beach Boys music played live by them..
There will always be the Recordings.
God Only Knows where we'd be without those.
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Thanks Carl and the rest of the long-touring Beach Boys...hell
of a lot of fun and great concert (and soundtrack-of-life type)
memories. Hopefully the survivors can continue the live shows
somehow with dignity. If not, thanks and don't ruin the legacy
you've worked so hard to maintain.
-------------------
Thanks Brian, for the Music-which has long since proven it is
forever.
Steve
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